Rumor: Sony Asking Developers To Stick With PS3

A new report published Friday by the Mercury News suggests that Sony may already be scrambling to keep third-party developers aboard the PlayStation 3, which has struggled to keep pace with the Wii and Xbox 360.

[SonySoldiers]

Off course game devs will need to stick to the future! the PS3 has MGS4, GT5, Rachet, and many more fun games coming in the 2008 - the year of PLAYSTATION 3.

Do not tell anyone that SONY has been struggling!

[cooke15]

Business lives in the now not the future

[sticky doja]

Right, because this is a totalitarian website, and speaking the truth would mean imprizonment and eventual beheading. Do you get payed by Sony to say dumb s*** like that?

Who honestly cares about a rumour. Sony will be just fine. Especially after the $399 PS3, even though I don't want one because I want backwards compatibility so I can play the games I didn't get the chance to such as FFXII, Okami, etc.

[masterg]

@cooke15

Actually you're wrong.
The game industry lives in the future.
A game takes a minimum of one year to make. Meaning you will be best of developing for whatever you think is doing best a year or longer from now.

[XxZxX]

hmmm tell that to MS 1st XBOX. Lost 6 billion and if they don't look at the future, they will eject long time ago.

[Panthers]

Can someone show me where it says Tekken 6 is going multiplatform? I read a rumor, but that was it.

[JsonHenry]

I personally think that yes, regardless of what a *few* devs say, that the PS3 is the most difficult to program for and the hardest, most expensive, and longest to do a cross platform title for as well.

This is a lesson that Sony has learned the hard way. While so far I am sorry to have bought the PS3 so early on, I feel that Sony will certainly take the lessons learned and I would expect a Playstation 4 that is easier to code for as well as not as expensive on launch day.

But anyone in the gaming business will agree - the PS3 is most expensive and time consuming to program for. Not a good thing when third party devs have the option to make a game for two systems with a larger install base as well - the Xbox360 and the Wii.

[Omegasyde]

2nd Party
Ninja Theory- Heavenly sword
Insomniac - Ratch and clank
Quesy studios- Everyday Shooter
Guerrilla Games - Killzone

1st party
polosony - Gran tourismo
Evolution Studios - Motorstorm
989 sports/ PS sports - PS sport games
Naughty Dog - Jack and Daxtor / Uncharted Draks fortune
Incognito- Warhawk, Twisted Metal, Jet Motto
Bend Studio - Syphon filter games
Zipper Interactive - Socom games
SCE Studio Liverpool - Wipeout
Ico Studios - Ico, shadow of colossus
InFamous studios - InFamous, sly cooper
Media Molecule -LittleBigPlanet
SCE London Studio - 8 days
SCE Santa Monica Studios - Alot of PSn games, GOD OF WAR

exclusive deals
NCSoft - Guild Wars
Media Molecule - white knight story

+ Many more

That's the facts and thats why the Ps2 was a hit because Sony them selves cranked out alot of games.

Microsoft just published some i.i.e. Gears of War,PGR4, Bioshock(?) (similar to what Sony did with Lair) and had Bungie/Halo and the Fable Team.
Let alone I mentioned some titles above like Twisted Metal, Sly Cooper etc. Hmm I wonder if these proven hit franchises sequels are in the works?

The games are coming, it just now that Games today take up to 10 months to 2 years! (killzone is almost going to take 3 years). So that is the price we play for next gen games.... :(

[bootsielon]

...to Sony fans and every other gamer. I know you're an Xbot in disguise trying to give playstation fans and the playstation name a bad name. Please shut the hell up.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Geez, judging by SonySoldiers comment, you would think that his PS3 had a vagina.

[nasim]

do devs leave X360 because x360 is the least selling console in JAPAN and NA .

NO

Ps3 sales have increased multiple folds in EU after the price cut .

MY GOD MS and their viral marketing efforts

[stonedog]

business does take place in the here and now not the future. You are right that game development takes one two or even three years but the bottom line is always the driving force. Games releasing next year will not sell a console this year if there are no games available now. And this is Sony's problem and hence they have cut prices to try and remain competitive (remember there was an expected price cut at the TGS and Sony told the press when that did not happen that they felt that games were more important to selling the system than a price cut). The 360 installed base will get a big growth spurt with exclusive games like Halo 3 and Mass Effects combined with the multi games which have the rep of looking better on the 360. If Sony is having difficulty keeping the third party developers on side with them before Christmas and M$ has the blow out Christmas then things will only be worse after Christmas. This has been an issue for PS3 for quite some time. Sony announced at the TGS that they were concentrating on giving increased support to the third party developers. News of disaffection on the part of third parties is a nightmare for Sony; and may squeeze Sony as they are forced to pay for content (something they maintain they don't/won't do) to remain in the game. The other option is to drop the PS3 and move on; but the Blu ray format war makes that very unlikely.

Sony is caught in a vicious cycle of not having games and therefore not being able sell the console and not being able to get games b/c it install base is not that attractive. Third parties are making games for the Consoles for there captive market. Sony presently has the the smallest market.

[DeckUKold]

sonysoldier makes me wanna cry and good 1 who said that make sony sound like a V bubbles

[wil4hire]

Where is the news of sony third party developers leaving?

[cooke15]

you must live under a rock

[wil4hire]

Please explain, instead of trying to insult someone.

Edit:

Eh, you don't have a really good grasp of business. But I commend you for your efforts. Why on earth would you make more titles for a system that doesn't have the greater fan base?

The article said Developers are leaving the ps3, which they aren't. Yes some support the thing that brings investors more money, but as the ps3 gains in sales, the same exact thing is going to happen. No developers are going to make the money on the 360 as they have the PS2/WII. Its two year run is hitting 12 million units. Keep in mind the Biggest game for the system could only barely sell more units than the Wii. The ps2 had 40 million units sold by year 2. Just to put things into perspective... This coming holiday the ps3 is going to sell 5+ million units. Now unless Halo3 and Mass Effect can bring in 5 million+ more users, its going to be very close in 2008. Developers will finally be able to make $ from the ps3 user base. With PS3 Developers churning out HD games at 60fps and no slowdown/framerate, they are only going to share the information with others.

Its going to really be interesting to see what can the 360 do to keep up with the PS3 in 08. Theres only 1 halo. Sony's rolling out Gran Turismo/MGS/Little Big Planet/Tekken/Final Fantasy etc.

[cooke15]

Sorry, im not insulting you :P

Its not so much developers not supporting PS3 its them dropping exclusives or moving games to other consoles..

IE Monster Hunter 3 to Wii
Okami to Wii instead of PS3

Capcom supporting 360 more than PS3
Square bringing Dragon Quest to DS instead of a sony console
ACE Combat going 360
Tekken going 360
Virtua Fighter going 360
Katamari going 360/Wii
Fatal Frame going to Wii

there are more these are just what i can think of right now.

[ChanDangle]

As I remember, please correct me if I'm wrong companys aren't leaving Sony besides the whole Capcom statement.

Square Enix = Final Fantasy
Ace Combat = timed exclusive for the 360
Tekken + VF= Multiplatform
Beautiful Katamari = I guess but ps3 getting new ip from creators
Fatal Frame = snagged

[sonarus]

Capcom supporting 360 more than PS3: Wrong. 360 cameout before ps3 only games showing capcom support to 360 were made before ps3 was out if capcom released an exclusive ps3 game now that the ps3 is out then your point would be valid unfortunately capcom is embracing a multiplatform philosophy. Plus they are releasing lost planet on ps3 not like i care but that dosent show dropped support IMO

Square bringing Dragon Quest to DS instead of a sony console: Square can't bring every game they make to a sony console but they have in no way shown dropped support for sony. They jst release final fantasy crisis core and last time i checked finaly fantasy 13 and versus 13 were still ps3 exclusives.

ACE Combat going 360: We both know its only a timed exclusive katamari, eternal sonata and damacry will all end up on ps3 nxt yr.
Tekken going 360: I never heard about tekken going 360 thats jst an unfounded rumor it is possible but quite unlikely considering the game was built on arcade with the cell processor i would say they have strong sony support based on that but i could be wrong.

Virtua Fighter going 360: Well came out on ps3 1st plus sega jst recently announced to ps3 exclusives dnt knw if sega has any 360 exclusives coming up.

Katamari going 360/Wii: Wii is understandable am sure msoft simply paid for katamari to generate more japanese interest in their failing console(in japan). Katamari is more of a casual game which basically fits the wii perfectly.

Fatal Frame going to Wii: Dnt knw bout fatal frame so no comment

[cr33ping_death]

so when did tekken go to the 360? nothing but wishful thinking

[Snukadaman]

show a link that shows 3rd party developers are leaving the xbox 360 or you just look like a little crybaby spouting the typical sonyfanboy horsesheit....if anything they look at the sales the xbox 360 has and makes them want too develop for it.

enjoy creeping death...while its a rumor it was a rumor that vf5 was going too xbox and look what happend there...
http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

real gambler welcome too my ignore list....
just kidding just kidding..lol whomp whomp.

[Real Gambler]

Just kidding, just kidding...

Maybe while Microsoft and Nintendo are at it, why not taking EA as well...

Just kidding, just kidding!!!!

Seriously now, the biggest problem is not between 360 and PS3. It has been said thousands of time. The Wii is stealing most devs. It will become more and more obvious in 2008... I like the Wii. But I'm not sure it's such a great thing for us gamers!

[lawman1108]

NOBODY..........name one developer who WILL NOT make games and do business with MS? EA, Valve rockstar all HATE making games for the PS3 and that is why FFXIII and MGS4 will all be on the 360....if you had a business would you just let 12 million customers just go on by? NO WAY. Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games for and I also own a PS3, but It only has 2 good games (WH and RFOM) and I have not touched it in weeks. Also, the whole Blue-ray thing...I REFUSE to pay $30 bucks for DVDS ..PERIOD...I can get transformers for $15 bucks at target but on BR its $30.......no thanks. I will buy BR when they are less then $20 bucks.

[SomeAnalyst]

Those millions of former casual PS2 (now Wii) gamers aren't interested in a 'Boogie' or a 'Dewy'. Most aren't even fans of Metroid and Zelda! They got a Wii because of motion controls and the price. They're more into zombies (RE4), yakuza (Red Steel) and comedic mascots like Rayman. Nintendo should make a bid to get Conker back too, as who wants a photo-realistic squirrel?

[ruibing]

I'll name you a big developer who probably won't be doing business with MS for awhile. Level 5 had a very bad experience with MS when developing that MMORG game True Fantasy Online Live and finally had to cancel it due to unrelenting pressure from MS. They parted on very poor terms. Bungie's parting may be better but they obviously didn't want to be restricted by MS either.

Though I've heard of Valve and a few sports developers from EA (I can't believe you even respect them) finding it too difficult to develop for the console, reports from Konami, Square Enix, Insomianic and Level 5 all find themselves able to release so much potential with the PS3, granted its higher than normal learning curve. If everyone quits and take the easier routes, I would not have chosen to be an engineer.

And I don't believe you even really looked into getting BD movies because there are right now B1G1 offers at BestBuy and Amazon, where you can get the latest hits for $12 each. And I have no idea where you pulled $30 for Transformers on BD, since its a HD-DVD exclusive. And right now, a lot of BDs are less than $20, you obviously either aren't looking or just don't know where to look.

The thing that gets to me, and force me to make these replies, is when I see so much FUD in posts. They always consists of the same thing. Poor/limited information, biased arguments, and a goal of causing confusion and panic among PS3 owners and buyers. If the PS3 isn't going to do well (which I feel is still very much up in the air), then time will tell, not you.

[Real Gambler]

2.9- Lawman: "Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games for and I also own a PS3, but It only has 2 good games (WH and RFOM) and I have not touched it in weeks. Also, the whole Blue-ray thing...I REFUSE to pay $30 bucks for DVDS ..PERIOD...I can get transformers for $15 bucks at target but on BR its $30.......no thanks. I will buy BR when they are less then $20 bucks."

Please, post a serious link from any devs saying "Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games. Trust me, it wasn't a dream. It was easier, but very far from a dream!. Devs are just starting to be familiar with multiple cores architecture as we speak!!! You won't find one dev saying it was a dream!

And if you would really own a PS3, you would be quite aware that Paramout took 150 millions dollars to switch side from BluRay to HD-DVD. Transformers was rumored as being one of the biggest reason why the HD-DVD camp bought Paramount!. So I'm not sure where you can get Transformers on BluRay for $30 unless it's bootleg and as far as I know, Target is not selling bootleg yet... You're really funny kid : )

[Ri0tSquad]

A lot of games on both consoles are losing exclusives. Xbox never had a lot at all to begin with so when Sony loses some its really exaggerated to the point where everyone thinks its overrr for the system. Its all about money and now theres more titles multiplat then ever and its all about how much better is the experience on each console with the game. (xbox live or PS Home for example) No developer is going to to want to spend a life time developing/porting a game that wont sell as much effort they put into it.
Exclusives are getting thinner for each console.
But making a PS3 exclusive game from day 1 to when ever the game is complete and with no other plans to port the game to another system in mind would be safe on Sony's part since the chances of it later going multiplat is very small due to the complexity of the PS3 which the 360 can be tweaked to handle but in the future it could be a problem which could cease development of the port & even w/compression the size of the game could also stop it.

[mesh1]

@ruibing
keep on foolign ur self valve ? u say u shud not speak until u played the half life series which when it was made nd even now looks much better than most games on the PSHIITE3(PS3)and the xbox and also all gaers knwo there no console game that comes close to counter strike source just none i have an xbox cod4 beta lookd great but the gun mechanics are not just close to counter strike in css the gameplay and polish is outstanding.

[stonedog]

are talking about Bungie; in which M$ still has equity interest and a game development relationship. Business partnership does not require parties to like each other; it merely requires that there be a level of cooperation that allows them all to make money. Sony had a reputation for treating third parties badly; this was due to the PS2 dominance; third parties wanted to make money and Sony provided that opportunity but it was Sony's party and they called the shots. Now things have changed and the boot is on the other foot and it is Sony who is struggling not M$ or Nintendo.

[EXPLICIT21]

Thats because it puts more money into their pockets. The only developers that say that are EA and Ubi. They're also the only ones that care more about the money then they do about the games. DVD = .02 cents, they sell for 60 bucks. 360 easier to develop for means they can make a garbage game in 6 months thus pushing out more games on .02 cent DVDs making bamk in the process.

Sony has the most in-house developers period. You can't deny that. Third Partys could easily drop support for the PS3 and the PS3 would still be going. It just wouldn't have the 120 million units sold in 6 years time.

[bruiser81]

did i miss something? where did you guys here the tekken is going to the 360. I could have sworn the last article on that was pure speculation.

[ruibing]

I'm really confused by what you are trying to say. I never insulted Valve at all. I simply said it was a challenge to develop for that has a high potential payoff in the end and disagreed with Valve's decision to pass it on to another developer for the port. And for your information, I've played through the entire Half Life series, including most of the mods and expansions, ever since Freeman entered Black Mesa and I have the Orange Box on my PC and I have been enjoying TF2 on my spare time.

[progx]

You get your information from SPG? GTFO, you reek of f@ggotry.

[AnalFace]

wow go sony!!! this would get me buzzin if true!

[Marceles]

You could write an article about any gaming company asking a dev to stick with their console. If the article was "Sony paying developers to stick with PS3" it'd be a different story.

[Proxy]

It can easily be said that MS throwing money at devs is a good business move. (This is the true interpretation, it's a good move. Although I don't own a 360.)

On the other hand it could easily be spinned to say, "MS desperately tries to retain developers by paying them." See how that works?

Now, the real news here is that "PS3 wants developers to make games for the system." But is this really news? Sounds like Captain Obvious it making his rounds...

[Madgunner]

u do realize that even tho yes... some of those games u mentioned arent exlusive no more... sony gains a-lot more back.. anyone can tell ya that and can you show me proof of tekken going to 360... not calling u a liar.. i would just like to see that
PS: .. dont forget that 360 has lost SH1T as well

[cooke15]

can you please explain what series sony got back? sorry if im wrong about Tekken, i must be thinking of a different game.

[remix]

now im not saying tekkan wont go to 360 because i think it will but it hasnt even been brought up so you info is false. and sorry buisness is in the future NOT the now. what happens when the future becomes the now and the present becomes the PAST(rhetorical question) square enix puts things on sony and ds. this article is kind of dumb because you could put
RUMOR:MICROSOFT PAYING DEVELOPERS TO PUT GAMES ON THERE SYSTEMS OR TO KEEP GAMES EXCLUSIVE INSTEAD OF LETTING DEVELOPERS MAKE THE GAME MAKE THE MONEY.

BUT THAT BUISNESS LIVES IN THE NOW NOT THE FUTURE WAS A PRETTY STUPID COMMENT WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE YOUR VERY YOUNG TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT

[cooke15]

You know you dont have to type in capitals right? It makes you look very young, which I am not. I can understand why you are reacting this way because its a negative slant against Sony. But the fact of the matter is Sony is losing support, it is in no way like it was with PS2. Sony never had to ask developers to stay with them because developers knew they would get financial return on such a successful console. PS3 is not in the same boat. Its the most expensive console to develop for and has the smallest userbase.

Nintendo had that problem last generation with Gamecube though it didnt have the highest dev costs so it kind of offset. But still Nintendo had to ask for games, an example is the Capcom 5, which really ended up being 3 games 1 of which sucked and 2 got ported to PS2. Why? Because of a small userbase.

[bruiser81]

@ 6.1, I see where you going but you forget that the xbox only sold slightly better and there were a lot of games it got that the game cube didn't. Gamecubes downfall was that it was looked at as a kids console.

Also sony never had to ask before because what other choice was there? the dreamcast was put to rest and the xbox at that time hadnt established itself as a viable investment.the flame wars of last gen had so called experts predicting that the market couldnt support 3 consoles simply because it had never been done. they were wrong as usual. Of course they went with sony because it had a great reputation. I honesty dont see tekken going to 360 because as of now it wouldnt sell in japan and they love it. As bad as it seems for sony, their rep has still kept them above water. I bought a launch ps3 at full price, but i honestly didnt think it would do as good as it has due to its price only. I own a 360 and to be honest i rarely play it. aside from halo im no into FPS, to that piont not everyone likes the same thing which is why sony will never leave. People like a variety of choices.

[DeckUKold]

thats y i see your point i will not get a 360 cause i can get the same genre on the PSWII with better controls no offense but the xbox controller is one of the worst i played with

[Bebedora]

are on offense. It can be ugly this time around. Wii my a** MS and x360 is the major threat.

A console with flaws beyond doubt. People buying this piece of crap. Wow, intelligent of you. Thank you so much, retards.

[lawman1108]

The Wii is garbage. The games look worse then the Gamecube (except for Zelda) and that stupid remote has worse control then that stupid six axes. Wii is a fad that will pass, true gamers teens and on up into the early 50's by now want REAL games.

[wageslave]

My first PS2 bricked. Did Sony replace it? no. When I burnt through a laser on the second? Did Sony replace it? no. When the second one bricked, did Sony replace it? no. That is where my second PS2 sits, broken in a closet, wondering if I can figure out what is wrong with it.

You CLEARLY didnt have a PS2. The problems were RAMPANT.

The Xbox 360 heat issues have already been fixed, and we already were told. And we've been seeing the improved hardware for months now.

Motherboard Version 1.1. This Motherboard has fewer components, smaller components, new layout, and a new CPU/GPU mounting methodology.

Look at this: http://www.mainstageclothin...

"Having identified a number of factors which can cause general hardware failures indicated by three red flashing lights on the console, Microsoft has made improvements to the console and is enhancing its Xbox 360 warranty policy for existing and new customers."

from http://www.microsoft.com/Pr...

Also, read this loud and clear; Microsoft said at the Tokyo Game Show:

"We have made all the improvements in our manufacturing process, All the consoles on the market have those improvements.

http://www.gamepro.com/news...

[ThisIsWaiting]

how the mighty have fallen.

BEGGING for support.

Pathetic.

[Madgunner]

how degrading, i rather pay a company off 50 mil for some downloadable content than to beg / Sarcasm ends now... peace

[ThisIsWaiting]

Where, exactly, did I mention any other company and their business practices?

Point it out.

This is about the PS3.

Not the 360.

Not the Wii.

I guess, maybe, you're trying to make yourself feel better about your system? Which, imo, is just as pathetic as begging for 3rd party support.

[AnalFace]

ahahaha!!! Next gen dear? NO!

Oh wait baby crying again! ahaha BTW dont call me Pathetic. Sony is doing buisness just like Microshaft. Enjoy last gen on your xbox 180.

Jump out.

[ThisIsWaiting]

youre bringing up another system to try to justify the sh!t that Sony is throwing out there.

Pathetic.

[ThisIsWaiting]

all the sudden, Im on 'Ignore' by 11 Sony Fanboys LOL!

[ThisIsWaiting]

you are pathetic. Never doubt that.

Im enjoying my '180' way more then my PS3 right now.

WAY more.

Have fun eating the sh!t Sony keeps feeding you.

[nomad117]

It's a rumour no one said it was true. Your message fails.

[gnothe1]

I know you guys LOVE Sony but you got to see the big picture here!! loyalty doesn't sell games!! this is a what can you do for me NOW type of world!! I appreciate the past, but that's what it is THE PAST!! the PS3 cost more to develop for, the games ain't selling in a very high volume, so most 3rd party developers ain't making their money back as of right now!! as much as you hate to admit it, the PlayStation isn't the best system to sell games on right now!! my first option would be the PS2 then the xbox360, then the Wii then the PS3.

[sonarus]

You speak the truth not the best console to release games on now. Thats why most games have been goin multiplat but sony has a lot of 1st party exclusives tons of them which will ramp them up till they are in a decent position to sell games. Final fantasy and mgs4 are the only exclusives sony really needs to hold on to from 3rd parties because these are their biggest 3rd party system sellers if sony holds on to these ps3 will be more than fine.

[Snukadaman]

With all nasim and a few of these idiot sony fanboys try posting up positive news for sony..it doesnt help that facts show theres almost 2 million ps3's sold in america and yet they can barely scrape up 27k for folklore...which was a pretty good rpg game from looking at some of the reviews...whats more depressing is warhawk..the supposedly best game on the ps3 can muster up 199k after 7 weeks of being on the market...huh...what...some of you sony fanboys need too just be quiet.

[Real Gambler]

You make me laugh... You're saying that because Sony sold "only" about six millions consoles worldwide in one year, devs should jump ship!

Then please explain to me: Why would devs would have not jumped ship when the 360 had only sold 6 millions consoles after one year???

6 millions consoles for the 360 after one year was good? Even if they had no competition whatsoever?

6 millions consoles for the PS3 after one year is bad? Even while they were in direct competition with the 360 installed based and the Wii?

Jump ship, jump ship!

Seriously, if i was a dev, I would just think about the possible market. What would 100 millions PS2 owners will do... Chances are that some of them will buy a PS3. 20%? 40%? 60%? Quite a sizable market... Look at the original xbox now... Not only the installed base was not huge, but how many games were sold for it... Remember, modchips were rather popular then.

Not sure I would jump ship too quickly : )

[Snukadaman]

The problem is the ps3 is hard too develop for....plenty of developers say this...when you make a xbox360 game you can also make a PC version as well...too develop for the ps3 you have too use a whole set of different options...look at UT3 for confirmation of the problems...no orange box this month..try december...as a developer would you rather only make one version with the ps3 or 2 with the pc/360?

The xbox had the luxury of having microsoft devs program the kits for them..makes it very easy my friend...hence less money too spend for developers too make the game and more money too make.

man I love n4g...full of cowards that can press a button but cant explain why....bunch of cowards.

[sak500]

@realgambler

"Then please explain to me: Why would devs would have not jumped ship when the 360 had only sold 6 millions consoles after one year??? "

Well even if we belive you about 6million ps3 sold (more likely 3-4 million in consumers hands) the simple explanation is the attach rate. 360 has 5-6 where as Ps3 is haveing 1-2. The hyped up games on ps3 have sold less than 500k and when the devs are spending 2-3 years and spending millions on devloping games and in the end sell only couple of 100k then jumping ship to platform where many games have been sold in their million. KAPESH?

[Bloodmask]

The console with the install base gets the support and the games. It was PS2 last gen, this gen it is Xbox 360. People seem to think there is some kind of "Brand Loyalty" in the games industry. 3rd party games publishers "don't care" which console wins. They just want to support the consoles that are winning.

To make PS3 games costs games producers "the most" money bc PS3 has the most expensive dev kits as well as longer production cycles bc of the nonfriendly programming architecture of the Cell Processor. Why would companies spend the most money to see the least returns?? News flash...The PS3 has "the smallest install base of all 3 next-gen consoles.

Sony has ben losing countless games that have been exclusive to PS brand. Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto, Katamari, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Virtua Fighter......Don't be suprised when other games jump ship.

Overall Sony has no-one to blame but themselves. They put Bluray before games. They have shot themselves in the foot with their arrogance claiming that the PS community would buy a PS3 "no matter what it was". And that they could move 5 million PS3s even if it had no games.

Does anyone feel happy about proving them right??

[b777conehead]

blood mask thats your opinion about sony blowing it on bluray. listen to some devs about dv9 beginning to show its age as. to small of a storage medium as games get more and more complex for this gen more and more space will be needed.compression and multi disk are so last two generations imho. i don't want to have to change disk and i want the least compression as necessary on my games.im glad sony waited for blu ray. once the install base of the ps 3 gets there and it will the devs will make lots of money on ps3 games thats if they write the games to ps3 specs and learn the system and if your in the business unless your lazy it should be easy to get up to speed on the ps3

[Real Gambler]

"People seem to think there is some kind of "Brand Loyalty" in the games industry."

-Question: If I ask you what brand of TV you like or what brand of digital camera you like, what will you answer?... Most people will tell you: "I love Toshiba, or Panasonic, or Samsung or whatever" right away in a split second. This is Brand Loyalty. Same with digital camera. If you had a Canon or a Nikon in the past and liked it, you will look at Canon or a Nikon first for your next one. Everybody is somehow loyal to some brand until they got burn. It's quite likely that a good chunck of those 100 millions PS2 users may have an eye on the PS3. Opposite is also true. You may have been burn by a previous product and never come back to it. What are the odds of people owning original xbox feeling betrayed, particularly since BC is not that great on a 360...

"To make PS3 games costs games producers "the most" money bc PS3 has the most expensive dev kits as well as longer production cycles bc of the nonfriendly programming architecture of the Cell Processor".

-Yet one guy, who doesn't even own a HD tv, manage to get a dev kit, and make a pretty decent game by himself. Everyday Shooter, remember?

"Why would companies spend the most money to see the least returns?? News flash...The PS3 has "the smallest install base of all 3 next-gen consoles."

-After one year, the 360 had sold about the same amout of consoles as the PS3. It had no competition. Did you hear any devs saying "Wow, after one year and no competition, the 360 has a small install base!!!" 6 millions consoles for the 360 was a decent install base for the 360 after a year. With competition from the Wii and the 360, the PS3 manage to sell as many consoles after one year also. If I was a dev, I would think it's pretty good. Selling as many consoles in one year, even if they are more expensive and there's so much competition? I'm sure they sleep well :)

"Sony has ben losing countless games that have been exclusive to PS brand. Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto, Katamari, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Virtua Fighter......Don't be suprised when other games jump ship."

-Very sad fact. But it's the same for Microsoft no? They could not even keep Bungie under their wings.

"They put Bluray before games. They have shot themselves in the foot with their arrogance claiming that the PS community would buy a PS3 "no matter what it was". And that they could move 5 million PS3s even if it had no games."

-They put BluRay FOR games... The 360 has been out only two years and how many time have you heard devs saying space is already scarce. What will it be in two years from now? C'mon, we're not talking only RPG here. Games like Assassin's Creed are running low. If there's a sequel, will they still have to pull stuff off because of the 8.5 gig limit?

"Does anyone feel happy about proving them right??"

- I don't... A game console is a game console. I bought a PS3 because I seriously thought it was the best. Somehow thought there's some people here who seem to be quite happy to spend most of their time trying to prove that Sony is wrong : )

[mightydog01]

You talk a load of cr#p. 360 came out just over 1yr ps3 only been out 8 months in the uk and eu and 1yr in the usa and japan when the 360 first came out there was no nex_gen consoles so the 360 will have a lead. the reason why you slag of the ps3 is because your scared incase it takes off. And like all 360 fanboys say games games u are trying to scare ps3 owners to switch sides and ps2 owners to get a 360 because like you said bigger the install base developers will make games for that system. If thats the case you should be worried about the wii cause they are in the top spot in least than 1yr. And sony are going to start firing both barrels soon with the big hitters plus a price drop which at end of the day is a better bargin than the 360 and sony aint going away like you wish when they start rolling no ones going to stop them... they make execlent hardware worth the money than the 360 by along way...... dont try to fool everyone sonys only just starting...And when the 360 came out there was not many games for it and the only game that was any good was GOW so stop trying to fool us because you sounding so retarded trying to twist thing with your BS comments

[Bebedora]

we hate buyers like you

edit: yes we do. Why buy something that breaks? B/C it says MS on it??? fvkn retards. Oh I loath you. Reason doesn't comprehend, now does it?

[socomnick]

We dont buy it cause it has microsoft on it we bought it cause it has awsome games on it that appeal to Us americans more.not that spiky role playing stuff.

[lawman1108]

Because they have GREAT GAMES and lots of them! the 3 RROD would have KILLED any other system but like I keep saying.....Word of mouth sells EVERYTHING....games,cars,movie s ect. MS go it right this time and Sony missed the boat.

[heihoosilver]

so for you if you buy a Mercedes that gas to be caled back because it has a defect, it has apened for more than once, and it came to you repared and working fine, if you gonna buy another car you skip Mercedes? Anytihing can have its fauls, if they manage to repair it for free whats the prob? And lets see how much time will Ps3 last without an avalanch of faults, if it goes the way the Ps2 was!!!. And Ps3 have its share of probs also , but no one came here an say it.

[wageslave]

Perhaps you are missing the point, the rates of failure are VASTLY less than Sony fans would like them to be.

I know this, every Xbox 360 owner actually knows that the rate isnt anywhere near worthy of the level of attention it gets.

Besides, this is all old news. The machines are fixed, and everyone has been given free replacement/warranty extensions.

Anyway, its really not relevant in a dicussion about Developers jumping out of PS3 development because no one is buying PS3s.

Try to stay on topic. The topic is: What is Sony going to do to keep games coming to PS3 considering no one is buying what they've put on the market thusfar.

[Spike47]

it's called biusness.

and actually, tekken is not going to the 360.

when was the last time a ps3 exclsuive was confirmed for the 360, a long time ago.

times are changing xbots, get with it.

[Bebedora]

so obvious. you gotta be kidding me. FPS is teh roxxors??? Fvk U all fps g*ys
Destroying everything great about gaming.

[wil4hire]

The article said Developers are leaving the ps3, which they aren't. Yes some support the thing that brings investors more money, but as the ps3 gains in sales, the same exact thing is going to happen. No developers are going to make the money on the 360 as they have the PS2/WII. Its two year run is hitting 12 million units. Keep in mind the Biggest game for the system could only barely sell more units than the Wii. The ps2 had 40 million units sold by year 2. Just to put things into perspective... This coming holiday the ps3 is going to sell 5+ million units. Now unless Halo3 and Mass Effect can bring in 5 million+ more users, its going to be very close in 2008. Developers will finally be able to make $ from the ps3 user base. With PS3 Developers churning out HD games at 60fps and no slowdown/framerate, they are only going to share the information with others.

Its going to really be interesting to see what can the 360 do to keep up with the PS3 in 08. Theres only 1 halo. Sony's rolling out Gran Turismo/MGS/Little Big Planet/Tekken/Final Fantasy etc.

[GoLeafsGo]

Finally, Sony decides to think of its fans over it's own arrogant ass.
All they needed to do to not let the Wii and 360 run away was keep GTA4 a timed exclusive, not give up on DMC4, and try their hardest for MH3.

It all might be a little too late, but it's nice to see them get off their asses to bring quality back to the people that are still keeping them afloat.

[Bebedora]

is just nothing...nothing to MS and it's marketing machine.

[Spike47]

you fail to take into account that the 360 was released earlier therefore it gives develpers numerous advantages when they make a game on the 360.

though that is changing now.

yeah sony shot themselves in the foot and all that carp,blah blah blah, the same crap and the only bad news people here have to post about the ps3.

the ps3 is gonna do fine with it's new price cuts and developers are starting to gain trust in the ps3.

[wageslave]

Nice spin. The PS3 was _late_. Screwing over the developers in the first place -- no wonder they'd be angry.

Then, the install base didnt happen. Big big disaster. Games for PS3 are going to dry up something terrible... if its not bad enough already.

[lodossrage]

It's sure as hell better than BUYING developers off like Microsoft does. Which by the way is known as a sleazy business practice. And in turn will ruin the gaming industry

[Bloodmask]

you have no idea how the industry works. You do realize that Sony's 1st party games studio consists mostly of companies they have bought.

A good example of this is Psygnosis. The games studio that makes Wipeout. They used to be big in th PC gaming scene back in the Amiga days.

Now Sony owns them bc they bought them out. As well as Sony just purchasing two big British gaming studios a couple weeks ago.

[Snukadaman]

bubble for you...why is buying up content for their users is a bad thing....sony should open their wallets and buy exclusive content for the ps3 you think....oh yeaa sony doesnt pay for things....riiiight.

[lodossrage]

Actually buying a company is different than buying individual franchises.

And for the record, I know alot more than you think

[b777conehead]

bloodmask theirs a difference buying company,s and buying the developers for exclusive,s are exclusive content.

[stonedog]

business mate and making money and that is what Sony and M$ are about. The Sony fan boys remind me of the free traders who want free trade when they can bury their competitors (PS2); and fair trade when they can not compete with their competition (PS3). And presently Sony fan boys are upset by the fact that Sony is not competing effectively. Crying about the year lead that M$ is unfair is plain stupid; it is a business reality. If M$ gives incentives that is their business decision; if Sony chooses not to that is their business decision. Presently M$ seems to be faring better.

M$ has made the 360 compelling notwithstanding quality issues (which the adversely affected consumers have every right to be pi$$ed about). Clearly M$ has managed to defuse the RROD issue and M$ continues to grow its large installed base. PS3 is not in my opinion and apparently in the vast majority of the consumer appear to feel the same way given the installed base of the PS3. So I will wait for Sony to make it compelling for me before I part with my hard earned cash.

The third party developers want to see a larger installed base to justify their investment b/c installed base equal a larger market. The largest market right now for non casual console gamers is the 360.

My real fear is that Sony has completely dropped the ball so badly that we are going to loose competition in the market place and the benefit that brings to all gamers.

Right now PS3 is simply the best Blu-ray DVD player on the market; but I want a game machine and that niche in my view is best filled by the 360.

I apologize in advance to the Sony Fan boys who are so emotionally invested in the platform that this post reads like sacrilege or like being told that their new born baby is ugly.

[Madgunner]

well for instance they've gained stuff like resistance, LA Noire, Heanvenly sword which was orignally planed for 360.. ( so i heard ... ) HAZE , Uncharted and they still have some great titles which makes PS great.... Getaway , Driver ( not the last two ) lol , MGS Killzone, GT... and so forth God of war Final fantasy so.. i woudlnt say dev's are excatly jumping ship.
theres more games out there just cant think of more of the top of my head...

[power of Green]

Devs will not or can ignor the profits of the 360 fanbase Next-gen games are too expensive and the MSFT tools help devs make monster killings in sales from the quality games they make with them and it can only get bette as the devs earn how to tap more power from the 360 and using the cores better.

This issue is more important than Huxley or MGS4 etc. what happens after those games release?, how can any company succeed without support from devs making other types of games that usually bring in more new console owners than a few block busters?. This is why it bugs me when I see the List of games with LBP and more, what about after they release?.

[Bebedora]

I love to hate it. Humans are realy fvkd up. If MS wins this one, the word:
"If you know anything about history, you never learn about history"

accounts. MS has screwed anybody and everyone, and they get away with it. Japan don't get this. Never do I. (DEVO)

The economics are not major here. MS are. Therefore MS is. MS USSR ftw

If any, and I mean ANY, us citizen calls a japanese for being a patriot to it's console, should realy have brainshrinkcheck.

[Madgunner]

POG

[power of Green]

Don't flatter yourself, I did not read your post above before I posted that, matter of fact I didn't read anybodies post before I posted.

Although I can see why you think I am talking reading your post. It seems like I'm talking to all PS3 fans.

[CrazzyMan]

Eternal Sonata coming to PS3.
Ace combat6 coming to PS3.
Lost Planet coming to PS3.
Rockstar creating L.A Noire for PS3.
Rockstar creating New IP for PS3.
Cellius creating games for PS3.
Sega creating Jakuza3 for PS3.
Konami creating Coded Arms for PS3.
Nippon Ichi creating Disgaea3 for PS3.
Free Radical Design creating Haze for PS3.
Atlus creating Persona4 for PS3.
Tri ace making Star Ocean4 for PS3.
Namco making Time Crisis4 for PS3.
Sega creating Valkyrie of the Battlefield for PS3.
Digi-Guys creating WarDevil for PS3.
Quantic Dream creating Heavy Rain for PS3.

No third-party developers love? Think again.
Bubbles would be nice, for my little work. =)

[Madgunner]

Time Crysis .. thats the one i was thinin about and sliped my mind.. lol thanks... but is ace coming to ps3?... sorry i just havent heard that

[CrazzyMan]

Time Crisis - http://www.gamerankings.com... -> 86%
Time Crisis II - http://www.gamerankings.com... -> 80%
Time Crisis 3 - http://www.gamerankings.com... -> 81%

ace combat - http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

[Snukadaman]

enjoy them because xbox users will have allready...and what happend with explaining about no one buying ps3 games kid...your attention deficit disorder kick in and you decided too not defend yourself?>???

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

wow crazzyman..you and wil4hire have the same list...can this be confirmation of you being both people....i think so...

[brianodom]

PES is optimized for the PS3

[lawman1108]

and you know all of them will be delayed. I love how PS3 owners have to pay $60 bucks for games 360 owners could pick up for $30 or less by the time they get a release on the system. Lost Planet is going to be how much?

[CrazzyMan]

Do i need to make a list of those games from 3rd party developers, which already came?

It`s about 3rd party developers love, not the game out or not. That was main point.
LP cost 40$ on amazon.

And half a year ps3 almost had no games, now it has, and now PS3 has NO weak points. And these games also will come, and PS3 will dominate.

p.s. and you know what, if you still hope about MGS4 and FFXIII releases on x360, then you should know, that sthese games won`t be ported to x360 earlier then 1 year after release of ps3 versions, and what you will be saying then? PWNED.

p.p.s. lol Snukadaman, and if i copy your words, i`ll become you? =))

[segasage]

the Ps3 doesn't have dev supporting them but how many times have we heard a big DEVELOPER criticize sony already?

Even their close pal Square Enix and some others that were in the news so, while this be a rumor we have seen dev criticize sony from time to time.

look it up, whether its sony hardware and sales

don't talk about buying exclusivity cause everyone does it and i can't imagine what sony did to nintendo way back...

[Real Gambler]

Paramount could not have hidden the 150 millions they got for switching side. It has to show in accounting somewhere.

Same thing with GTA4... When millions swith hands, they have to show up as a minus somewhere and a plus somewhere else...

Best way to really buy exclusivity is still to buy the dev. All three consoles manufacturers are good at this!

And then you get some twists, like Peter Moore going to EA, and EA buying everything that can line up two lines of code together. Could it be a Microsoft dark plot? Have they found a way to buy "better games"?

[ddcab]

I would see how the PS3 is selling once the big guns come out. Then if it's selling bad, jump ship. Right now the Playstation sold better than the 360 did it's first year with no games and with competition. Games are now starting to coming out, hardware is at a good price. No way is this the end of the Playstation. 360 is on a run right now I must admit, but its savior Halo is over and done wit. Europe and Japan alone will keep the PS3 afloat. America will finally see the light in 08.

[Sez]

you really don't know what you are talking about.please show us a month the ps3 beat the 360 in.you won't find one in NA not even launch day.in EU their biggest sale was when it launched.and from alot of site and researchers up until the price drop for the 60gig.360 and the ps3 where neck and neck.now i don't know where you get this idea that 360 is running scared. but the only one running scared ight now is sony. three price drop in thier first year,selling your stocks in your insurance company and selling your processor factory to stablize sells for the ps3.thats not good

[wangdiddy82]

And if so screw 3rd party developers.. Only a select few make decent games anyway.. If true (but probably not) That would just show how sick the gaming world is, greedy mother f'ers.. Developers would just bail out on the brand that made them were they are today.. But this doesnt sound true because you have ut3, haze, mgs4, final fantasy and a crap load of other 3rd party games.. And i dont think sony is the begging type.. They would go down with pride before they get on there knee's..

People need to wake up.. The 360 isnt selling that well either.. Except for sept when halo 3 dropped.. But thats the biggest and only game the 360 has.. Thats over now.. Ps3 isnt that far behind the 360 and its been out less than 12 months here in the states and less than 8 or so in other countries.. the ps3 is on the same track or better than the 360 its first year with a 600 dollar price tag..

[Anything but Cute]

PS3 = $499
360 = $349

I wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed.

PS3 = $199
360 = $349

[wil4hire]

Eternal Sonata coming to PS3.
Ace combat6 coming to PS3.
Lost Planet coming to PS3.
Rockstar creating L.A Noire for PS3.
Rockstar creating New IP for PS3.
Cellius creating games for PS3.
Sega creating Jakuza3 for PS3.
Konami creating Coded Arms for PS3.
Nippon Ichi creating Disgaea3 for PS3.
Free Radical Design creating Haze for PS3.
Atlus creating Persona4 for PS3.
Tri ace making Star Ocean4 for PS3.
Namco making Time Crisis4 for PS3.
Sega creating Valkyrie of the Battlefield for PS3.
Digi-Guys creating WarDevil for PS3.
Quantic Dream creating Heavy Rain for PS3.

[power of Green]

OHH.

[wangdiddy82]

nothing will stop the ps3 next year.. Save this post, keep it in your email or write this down on your forehead.. the ps3 will sell atleast 30 million or more consoles by the end of 2008..

Ok back to playing warhawk fools.. Peace out..

[solidt12]

I agree, with the line up of game coming to the PS3 between Now! and the end of 2008. There is no way that the PS3 will not sell like hot cakes! Did you see the Killzone 2 footage, GT5, Ratched, and Drake gameplay. Oh yeah and there's those two little franchises called Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy coming next year too.

[power of Green]

Ace Combat is a Playstation franchise.

[CrazzyMan]

Which M$ just BOUGHT.
it`s not about less 3rd party developers love for sony, it`s ONLY about M$ MONEY.

[Xi]

this is just some more bad news... Nothing really new here.

[Clinton514]

Isn't it their job to do so? What the hell are people finding negative about this? Haha.

RESPONSE TO Xi: Sorry to tell you but both Nintendo and MS court developers to put games on their platform. IT's PART OF THE BUSINESS.

See post below about taking rumors too seriously.

[Xi]

Where developers are itching to make games for their system because it sells games?

That's what the nes was like, that's what the snes was like, the ps1 and 2 were getting all the attention now it's on the wii and 360.

[stonedog]

the business reality is that there are three consoles in the market place and none can be presently said to own the marketplace; hence the need woo the third parties. Content is king and the appetite of the consumer is varied and voracious. Remember outside the Wii games the AAA titles for the PS3 and 360 are very costly to make compared to previous generations of console.

[Ace_Shooter]

wasn't it Bungie leaving MS?? once MS saw what Ratchet, Uncharted & especially Killzone 2 were shaping up to be on the PS3. They paniced thinking "wow our hardware can't do that stuff, we better get our big gun out the door fast and try to make sales NOW before the public sees what the PS3 can do" The result?? Bungie being forced to finish early, and releasing a game that a select few PS3 games beat graphically (how can that happen if the PS3 is so hard to develop for?? and developers have more experience on the 360??) think about that for a sec. Just look at the in game footage of Killzone 2! IT'S AMAZING what the developers can do with the PS3 and if all these damn developers can get off their lazy asses and learn whats possible on the PS3 then that's when the PS3 will truly shine, no one is doubting the power the PS3 has.

[Martini]

COD 4 for 360 will own (graphics wise) KZ2 for PS3, mark my words :)

[Ace_Shooter]

But GameDaily already said CoD 4 for PS3 is looking better than the 360 version. Either one will not look better than KZ2 anyway ....BUT i'm saving your comment nonetheless. =]

[wangdiddy82]

halo 3 was a big let down for me... Im saying for "me".. Not you so dont hate..

XI.. There are way more 360 games that flop than sell well.. The only games i see that sell well are FPS games and sport games on the 360.. like bioshock and halo 3.. Than some EA games like madden, nhl, skate and some other stuff.. Nothing else really sells that great on the system.. Blue dragon, lost planet, two worlds, and a handful of other games didnt sell much at all..

[Covenant]

You are entitled to your opinion...I mean, Lair was a bit of a let-down for me. (Wasn't bad, though).

[Ace_Shooter]

and i bought an Elite for it! really let down man. I mean its fun online and thats only because all my friends have it. BUT If all my friends were playing Warhawk w/me, dude i wouldn't have got an elite lol. Resistance could've handled my FPS deathmatch crave. My friends are getting one soon though, they like how Haze is shaping up. so do i.

[Xi]

the things you need to look at, the attach rate, the games with over 1 million copies sold and the software sales. Not just if the game flopped.

[Martini]

You know what you are talking about right ? Lost planet sold 1.44 million worldwide - how is that a flop ??

[Covenant]

Here's what we need:

Cage match, Texas-style, no holds barred:

Sony fanboys versus 360 fanboys...

With all fanboys gathered in one arena...

And at the end, the USAF drops a 50 megaton tactical nuke on the arena.

So then we'll have no more of this p!ssing contest crap over whose "console" is bigger.

I'm kidding...a little. Just trying to levy the flamewar with a little humor.

[wangdiddy82]

lol.. after all the bad press.. But liar is a new game.. Halo 3 was the ending to a trilogy.. so i was hoping for a great game..

The halo trilogy was like the matrix trilogy for me.. The 1st one was awesome as hell but Every sequel just got worse and worse..

[7ero H3LL]

then Jack Tretton is a nice big liar.....well at least he's human after all.

[gnothe1]

well what about this sony guys!! in last months issue of game informer page 22 left hand corner, the head of Konami UK, said, HEY MAYBE THE PS3 ISNT THE CONSOLE FOR US. so what does that say. that company is preparing to launch its biggest gaming franchise in MGS4 an you got a Konami big wig saying something like that!!

an about sony buy developers, if any of you guys are old enough to remember before the Ps1 came out, it was SUPPOSED to be sony making a CD rom based add on for nintendo, but sony wanted to OWN the right to every game that nintendo used on CD, basically trying to srong arm nintendo out of its games an nintendo refused an went with panasonic I think it was. therefore leaving sony with this CD rom based console that ultimately became the PS1. an right after that sony BOUGHT alot of developer help because they were the new kid on the block, an thats basically the same thing MS is doing!!

[Lumbo]

I could only LAUGH at your complete warped version of the Nintendo->Sony->PS1 history

It is a sad day when people try to place the villain as the poor victim.

Just a little quote for you:

"The 9 a.m. CES announcement (by Nintendo: we drop Sony, embrace Phillips) was a complete shock. Not only was it a complete surprise to the show goers (Sony had only just the previous night been optimistically showing off the joint project(with Nintendo) under the "Play Station" brand), but it was seen by many in the Japanese business community as a massive betrayal: a Japanese company snubbing another Japan-based company in favor of a European one was considered absolutely unthinkable in Japanese business."

Bottom line, Nintendo let Sony do the dev work, and when they suddenly disliked the original contract they had signed, they betrayed them and went with someone else to grab even more cash, and to add insult to injury, when Sony thereafter build their own system out of the broken deal Nintendo even attempted to file a lawsuit claiming breach of contract. That one failed miserably though.

[senerock]

almighty sony, reduced to begging!!!!!!!!!

[tocrazed4you]

SO RUMORS ARE FACTS NOW? Just wondering because you guys are already responding like its true...

[Gina-get-u]

I think the rumour has more to do with Japanese developers defecting to the wii rather than western developers giving more love to the 360. I suspect this has a lot to do with Capcom's recent decision to move Monster Hunter to the wii. This was especially bad because Monster Hunter 3 had already been announced for the PS3 before Capcom did a very public about-face. In the recent past, once a developer had publicly promised a game to Sony, it was pretty much locked in, because taking the game back later and giving it to somebody else would severely embarrass Sony and piss them off. Nobody dared to piss off Sony during the PS2 era. But now Capcom has done what was once unthinkable, yanking Monster Hunter and delivering a shockingly blunt no-confidence vote to the PS3. This wasn't just a case of a PS3 version getting dropped. This was a PS3 exclusive turning into a wii exclusive. That Capcom didn't even bother to sugar-coat the switch ("because of high development costs...") told everybody that Capcom no longer worried or cared about how Sony would feel about it.

Now that one steer has jumped the fence, the rest of the herd might follow. Sony needs to make sure no other devs follow Capcom and do their own u-turns with games previously committed to the PS3. If I were to guess, I would say one of those developers now getting some serious ass kissing from Sony is Square Enix. Although the next Final Fantasy has been announced for the PS3, we haven't seen squat about the game beyond a few screenshots and a couple of short trailers. And we know it's being built on a multi-platform engine. At this early stage of development it's still easy for Square to pull a little reverse play of its own on Sony. And it's a lot less uncomfortable now that somebody else - namely Capcom - has done it first and broken the ice.

The next few weeks is going to be exciting.

[jackdoe]

I agree. Japanese developers would not defect to the 360 alone as 360 games sales are abyssmal in Japan, even moreso than PS3 games over there, right now. That is why Eternal Sonata is being ported to the PS3 and probably why Lost Planet is being ported as well. And the Wii is looking mighty attractive, though its recent slowdown in growth in Japan may change that. I don't see Square changing their minds about the current two FFXIII titles though. Future FFXIII titles may be changed to Wii however if this goes on.

[IBLEEDBLU]

please - PS3 needs no help and is doing fine - PS3 is competing vs a console that has been out for 1 whole year and the Wii which isnt even consider to be a contender in the console race because its cheap and my 1993 gameboy has better graphics

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

just watch this and clearly ull see why PS3 doesnt need help

[Ace_Shooter]

that's funny....i would act the same and say the same stuff if my 360 craped out LOL. nice find dude

[mccomber]

"people I know, that's who."

Hell of a statement to drop without a name to back it up. Makes for a lot of traffic to his story though, that's for sure.

[teto83]

What about the part where it says RUMOR?????

[cmrbe]

If it was the other way around some of you guys would say that Sony is arrogant. Sony faces a toughter battle than expected. If the developers are patient and stick to the program. They will find in time that PS3 will be victorious this gen.

[BIadestarX]

Developers must be saying, "When you pay all the money it takes to make video games... and to pay developers, graphic artist, and the hundreds of people... then we do just that." Begging is one of those things that will not make a company go, "Ok... just because you say so.. we will"... Sony better change their arrogant policy of, "we never pay for exclusivity"... practically saying... that developers are the one that must want to make games for the the PS3... is it about time now.. that you Sony fanboys recognized that blu-ray hurted the Playstation brand more than what sony told you it will help it? what's the point of having so much room to make games.. when there are no games to be made?... ooops... reminds of of NeoGeo...

[testerg35]

PS3 fans need to buy games. You guys talk a big game about what games our great on the PS3, but when its time to buy them.... Zzzzzzz. There's tons if million sellers on the 360, but probably 2 on the PS3.

Jackdoe: so please explain Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Folklore (or whatever its called).

[jackdoe]

Well, the thing is that the multiplatform games that developers want to sell millions are either half assed ports or released months too late. What the hell do they expect when they do sh!t like that? I could understand it when third party games didn't get the finalized PS tools on time. But now? It is a joke. Hell, Stranglehold is probably gonna get complete lackluster sales because it was released so late that the fact that the game is garbage, based on the already released 360 and PC versions, has seeped into the minds of every PS3 owner. So of course they wouldn't buy a game that has been in the market long enough to be confirmed as crap. Midway lost a lot of early buyers because of that. After all, a lot of gamers are pretty well informed about these kinds of things so as soon as ports start straightening out they should be able to get software attach rates that they want.

[Ace_Shooter]

you are 100% on the money man. thats exactly the case..bubbles dude.

[feejo]

Ya Sony lost this or that title. But no one can tell the future, there is going to be all kinda great new title on PS3, it just going to be the new standard. And those who goes on Wii wiil suffer, cause they do not sell much games. Wii owner don't know what is a FPS, and they will probably never know cause wii have no power to do that like the PS3. It is just funny to see the great sony just starting all over from scratch and being 3th place. But they will beat the 360 in 2008, then the Wii, it is just a mather of time.

[WilliamRLBaker]

fact
Sony has lost more EXCLUSIVE franchises to the 360 then the other way around.
I love how wil4hire keeps spouting a list, you do know more then half those games are on the 360 or are comming to the 360 in the future right?

Sony no longer has all these great exclusive franchises they've lost alot of them, the only ones they keep is the 1st party ones, a Good 50% of their 3rd party exclusive franchises have gone multiplatform.

[Shaka2K6]

True also Sony has betetr 1st party games.

nintendo is jsut milky and microsoft shooters with crappy AI.

[KeiZka]

I wouldn't call "Milky" an argument... That's like saying "Sorry, we can't use this IP anymore since it's too milky". Pfef.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Why?-to justify your purchase of the xbox360 or,in many cases you had no choice(because mommy said so).
Do you bots realize that 90% or more of your threads include something about the PS3 rather than just about your 360 or its games alone?It makes me proud to be an owner of the PS3 that sooo many of you are envious of!!
YES I AM A LOYAL PLAYSTATION FAN! and the PS3 has so many promising things i.e; hd games,hd movies,music,video,photo,HOME, play tv,folding,free psn,no online game lag and so on.PS3 is a amazing media machine!>YEAH BABY!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!

JUMP OUT & PLAY~B3YOND!!!

[solidt12]

Im glad Sony is stepping up big time now and Swallowing there pride to make the PS3 a hit.

Thank you Sony,

[AngryTypingGuy]

Next gen video games are super expensive to make, so I think there will be less and less exclusives. However if I'm a developer and I want to make an exclusive, do I do it on the platform that's hardest to develop for and has the smallest install base, or do I go with the 360, with the possibility of also releasing it on Games for Windows? It's a no-brainer.

[jackdoe]

Yeah, but the thing is that you also have to take company loyalty into consideration as well as under the table deals.

[AngryTypingGuy]

That's true, but all things aside, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the more attractive option.

[UltramanJ]

The PS2 had problems at launch (jaggy games), and was well known as the more difficult system to develop for (compared to the easy Xbox and GC setups), but developers worked through it because it was the number one selling system by a landslide. The PS3 is more like the Saturn. A more expensive system that isn't selling as strong as the competition, and is tougher to develop games on. Now perhaps the PS3 shouldn't be compared to the travesty that was the Saturn, but the bottem line is developers may not bother to put the cell through the paces if the return isn't there. Like it or not it's smarter for developers to make the far friendlier 360 (and sales leader among the two)the lead system and simply port over a PS3 version.

[wageslave]

The trouble is there is no VALUE to be had by developing on PS3.

The two machines are of equal capacity and potential, why _choose_ to inflate your budgets with a poorly-designed development environment? To sell to a smaller install base, to sell to the smaller base that actually buys _fewer_ games per person?

Its a confluence of fcuked for the PS3. Expect to see it start dropping exclusives in the beginning of 2008.

[Funky Town_TX]

"In related news, Video Business reported earlier this month that the newly announced 40GB PS3s will be in short supply as Sony purportedly makes more money when selling higher-end models."

Then why even make it? I wonder how hard it will be to get one?

[atlys]

i'm a gamer, not a fanboy. meaning i will play any game on any console. screw brand loyalty! the only thing i'm loyal to is my girl and my wallet. when was the last time one of these companies did anything that really benefitted anyone but themselves. i have a wii, a 360, and will have a ps3 when sony starts selling them with the dualshock 3 packed in. even though this is just a rumor, i wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true. look at some of the statements that have been made by square enix, konami, and other BIG publishers about sony needing to drop the price to grow its user base. i know some of you will turn a blind eye to the facts of the matter, but sony's in a tough spot. let me throw out some things that some might wish to ponder.

each console is based on a different business model.

the 360 is really just a budget priced gaming/media center pc aimed at giving developers with pc gaming development experience another option to getting there IP's out to the gaming masses. look how many games go from pc to 360 and vise versa for all the proof you need. one platform supplementing the other.

the wii is an r&d project for nintendo based on overstocked gamecube hardware. nintendo hasn't sold a console for a loss since the virtual boy(what a pos that was!), and they aren't in a position to sink a ton of money into HD gaming without there being any standardization in the media format or display resolution. when the tech becomes affordable
to the average consumer, hdtv attach rates become greater than sdtv sales, and industry standardization happens regarding media format and resolution, then ninty will make the jump. they don't have the deep pockets that M$ and $ony have and to have jumped in now would've been financial suicide for them.

and finally, the ps3. is it a game console? is it a hi-def movie player? a supercomputer? and that is one of the problems, no discernable identity. the average consumer doesn't know what it really is, and the way sony is marketing it isn't doing anything to help matters. let's just assume its a game console to preface what i'm about to write.

i am the average consumer. i'm the guy that sony expected to work overtime and nonsense like that to afford the ps3. when it came out, i was in wal-mart testing one out in the display case. my reaction, totally unimpressed. for something to cost so much and be hyped to be the "true beginning in hi-def gaming", the ps3 was a huge let down. sure the visuals were fantastic and the design of the console was sexy as hell, but i walked around the corner and guess what. for $200 dollars less there's another console with identical visuals. how many other people do you think felt the same way i did? of course this is where all the fanboys are going to say, "the 360 had a year head start". sure it did, but for the ps3 to cost that much, be billed as future proof and technologically superior in every way to anything before it(ie the 360) there should have been a least a little discernable difference where there was none. and now the fanboys will say "wait till 08 when (insert game list) comes out". for that kind of money, there should be games to play now to get you to 08. its my opinion, but it just seems to me like the ps3 was rushed out to door. way too many promises and much to much hype. sony's starting to remind me of sega when they were in the hardware business.

now to be fair, do i like the ps3. sure i do, there's just no compelling reason to pay that much for one right now. anyone that can't see the potential of the ps3 is blind or ignorant. there are a ton of gamers like me that feel the same way and until some things change, sony's position will remain the same. looking at some of the decisions they've made makes me wonder if they even know why the ps2 was such a huge success. the price was perfect and literally tons of content. when the price of a "properly equipped" ps3 comes down to about $299, then sales will reach levels that will have publishers/developers clamoring to get their stuff on the ps3. by "properly equipped" i mean dualshock 3 and no loss of features. ultimately, the ps3's success will depend on price and game selection.

@jackdoe: had M$ not stepped up and taken the blame and appropriately compensated its customers, i'd have said that their reputation had taken a serious hit, but given the fact that their console still sells despite the known rrod issues is a testament to the strength of the consoles game library. mine went rrod while my girl was rockin GH 2. yeah it sucked, yeah i was pissed, but M$ did right by me so i have no beef with them. while it was being repaired, i spent more time with my son, had more sex with my girl, and played a crap load of old school vc titles. since i've gotten it back, i've had no problems with it. it runs quieter and i don't use an external cooling fan anymore thanks to the extended warranty. have literally played halo 3 for hours on end with no problems whatsoever. every cloud has its silver lining and sony will find theirs soon, i hope.

[jackdoe]

What do you, the average consumer feel about the poor build quality of the 360 because that is definitely a factor in public perception of the product. Just like the PS3 has not yet found an identity, the 360 is identified with the RROD.

[UltramanJ]

Hardware issues are forgotten when a software library is too good not to take part in.
How could you possibly forget the PS2 and it's myriad of problems, most notably the DREs(disc read errors)?! Just about every PS2 owner I know has had problems with their system or had it flat out stop reading discs, and many gamers have had to take the thing apart, clean the lens, adjust the sensitivity dial on the laser, put tape on the bottem of discs to get them to read, turn the system upside down, etc. It was as widely known as the ROD issue. What did Sony do about it? NOTHING.
While M$ certainly isn't a bunch of angels, they (unlike Sony) have at least decided to take care of the problem. It's nice knowing my system is covered from ROD for 3 years, but with the improvements they're making, I doubt I'll need to use it.
So getting back to my original point, we all still bought new PS2s or had our broken ones repaired, because the PS2's library was too good to ignore. Same goes for the 360.

[KingJames1906]

I have a 360 and my kids the Wii. I'm trying to convince myself in taking the leap into the gimped 40GB PS3 in November. If Costco offers it with Heavenly Sword for 450 and a second controller, than I'm in.

[Lionsguard]

whenever theres a RUMOR about the PS3 and it's bad all of a sudden it's Gospel from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself! yet when it's something bad about the xbox all of a sudden, the site had no credibility to begin with, the author was a drunk hack of a no-body who sleeps with his sister, or my favorite, Sony bought the website and is now a subsidiary of their company.

[kreetah]

People should also research the writers - google is a wonderful thing. Blake Snow has several articles on GamePro and his track record is 1 Sony bash and a couple of Xbox praise. Per his blog comments "Get controversial with your writing and state a formulated opinion. Be snarky, push buttons, and get facetious when applicable."

This guy is an Xbox fan looking to make a few bucks and I can live with that and take it for what its worth.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

"Sony Begging Developers To Stick With PS3"

[Lucreto]

Until I get confirmation on this from another source I won't believe it. It is like saying MS is withdrawing from Japan and not publishing games in certain European countries.

[TruthbeTold]

While Microsoft continues to have hardware problems and the prospect of somehow digging out more space on an HD-DVD in order to combat Blu-ray, Sony and Nintendo share the problem (Though each in it's own way) of needing to find better ways to help/support developers in their work to figure out optimal development methods for their systems.

There is so much that is New, New, New, and I truly believe that each company will find their own niche, have their own (To varying degrees) large group of consumers with quite a bit of intermingling. Microsoft, though paying for their haste is in a decent position right now. Nintendo, though they are allowing some pure dirt to be released has a growing amount of gold to be dug from it, and is really only now about to hit stride imo. Sony has taken some serious knocks due to the initial ridiculous price of the PS3, and the production cost reasons why they must sell it for so much. But they were on top before. Alot of people want the PS3, but just can't afford it yet. They will get a nice boost from the 40 gig, but will probably have to create an even more "bare bones" version before the system really takes off.

Even so, I believe that there will be several KEY developers that stick it out with Sony and the PS3, figure it out, and produce some games of the Caliber that we know God of War 3 will be. I believe that by next year, each respective company will be able to take a breath of relief and really bring it; to us the Consumer which means that everyone wins.

Each company has it's problems, but none of them are insurmountable. Developers want to make money off of all of these systems. Everyone just needs to figure out which specific way is best for each console. I believe that we are closer to that time than we collectively think.

[Salvadore]

Just a Rumor... They are to be taken lightly.

[Razzy]

Agreed.

"A new report published Friday by the Mercury News SUGGESTS that Sony MAY..."

Sounds like someone is having a slow news week so it's time to jump on the Sony bash wagon.

[sandhawk]

do panic this is just a rumor made by a stupid xbot playin galo and feeling sorry he bought halo for its crapy graphics.this generation is going to be long and no 1 can tell the future so xbots who were drunk and bought a gaybox shut the hell up.

(time will crown the king)ps3 duh :)

[sandhawk]

i meant dont panic

[CaliGamer]

This quote..."That change in attitude is a marked difference compared to the arrogance of past years," the game journalist added. "The argument is that the PS3 will show its strength as developers learn how to make games for it."

Lets dissect this portion. "Compared to the arrogance of past years".... This seems fishy. First, we have no transcript or official documents stating the tone or exact wording of any of these meetings where Sony is "begging" developers to make games for the PS3. I would submit that a company like Sony who has a console has to keep relationships good between itself and developers. Perhaps normal business practice is being misunderstood for something more.
Call it begging, it seems to me that Sony realized a deficiency and is taking steps to change this.
What makes me more dismissive of this story is the trend some of these sites have had since the release of the PS3.
-The PS3 is released at $599 and its too expensive, they take steps to reduce the price and they are still taking advantage of the consumer. It seems like these sites just can't admit that something is good and thats that. I guess they don't want to seem weak in the eyes of all the other competition on the web.
Its just fashionable to bash Sony now, just like it was fashionable to support Bush. As we have see with Bush, common sense usually prevails sooner or later and the truth emerges one way or another. All corporations have to make changes to stay competitive, its the nature of the industry.
I for one like that Sony's attitude has changed, there is nothing wrong with changing your business practices. MS did it when at first they were denying the RROD and then embraced it and took steps to rectify that situation, anyone who understands business at a fundamental level will agree.
Good read tho, just disagree with the conclusions that are arrived at.

[360-TEABAGGING-ps3]

hahahaha, Sony fanboys AVOID THIS ARTICLE AT ALL COSTS HAHAHA

[arcadegoal]

To come out a little faster than they have been doing,yes i know it was the same for the 360 at first and to be fair it douse take time to develope new games but alot of gamers are becoming a little dispondent with the ps3 because of the lack of softwear evan sony them selfs admit early addopters may feel disapointed but for sony to loose any 3rd party developers would be a disaster as a third of games are made up of 3rd party developers right now,there is a new influx of games coming out but not many so i can only hope that devs learn to utilise and get behind the ps3 for sonys sake and its also good for the compitition ijust hope sonys ps3 really dousent flop but its a possabillity.

[KingJames1906]

I hate to repeat myself but I've already commented on most of what was said in previous posts above.

Sony's Price Drop Strategy -- comment below.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

NPD SALES DATA from Late December 06 to September - - comment below.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"IT'S ABOUT THE GAME SALES STUPID" - - Comment below.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Quote above borrowed and modified from the great James Carville about the economy in 1992 for the kids out their who don't understand economics or history which is repeating itself.

- -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[beavis4play]

all you do is rant and shout. there is no discussion with you. you are just a blind fanboy.should have ignored you before this but goodbye.

[KingJames1906]

WHERE'S YOUR FACTS!

[beavis4play]

dean needs to do same type of story for the numbers in nov. and beyond. ps3 price drop/new sku plus great games coming then. plus great lineup for '08.

[SomeAnalyst]

At least the GameCube had the "kid-friendly" market. Now Japanese gamers have switched to Wii and DS, and Western devs like the easy PC-360 development. So aside from selling Sony IP's to the wealthiest gamers (and apparently not new IP's like Lair and Heavenly), what is the PS3 target market? Maybe that MMORPG spy game will give PS3 a bigger role in the gaming world, maybe not.

[Coke-a-Cola]

Very few People know how to create a work of ART,
but so many feel they are qualified to criticize .

(I suppose, we are all like that to some extent ) .......However >+++

The moment SONY is back on top.( in astronomical terms )
All these People with ROTTING SMILES and bad breath,
will be TURNING their heads towards the PS3.

Its OK >>>>>>>Yo u may come in , but ,
Please please wont you brush Your teeth first.

[pswi60]

counterpoint - http://pswi60.wordpress.com...

[DaEnforcer]

Nothing wrong at improving the relationship with 3rd party, the problem with this article is just that some idiot called it "begging". I feel sory to tell you, but every company tries it's best to get more games on their platform. MS pays while Sony tries to convince.

[Pain]

since thats the real only reason SONY has lac-lusters 3rd party support.

M$ pays buckets to 3rd partys for xbox support ,and well make a game on ps3 get love,
make for xbox get LOADS of money for it.

MS MONEY TALKS Period.

Bill Cosby say's: Xbots say the funniest things

[dirtrider]

the model that would get the ps3 into more homes, thus giving developers more confidence in developing on the ps3, theyre goin to purposely make fewer of. how the hell does that make since, i mean theyve already lost money but if they wanna keep it alive they will have to lose a lil more, then i think after the success of the 40gb they will reap there rewards afterwards. peace

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Man I remeber when the ps3 was about to launch and how so many people bragged about it's impending dominance. I am not suprised how un-true that is now.

[Jones Miller]

all fanboys

[WonderboyIII]

Guys, the ps3 versus xbox360 is consuming too much of your time. True gamers want games. If the PS3 or 360 disappear, you will lose games. Comptetition is always a good thing when the parties invloved have a reputation to perform. Sony has done a great job since it entered the VG market with the PS1. Great timing, marketing and hardware. Sega was still comming out of a crap hole with its crappy performace with the 32X, Sega CD,Nomad, and it couldnt keep up woth Sony. Since them Sony has done an awesome job building a great brand called Playstation. And let us admit it, most of the 360 fans here on tis forum have enjoyed Sony consoles. So why are we trying so hard to push the PS3 down the drain? Same goes with MS. Sony has had no real competition for some time. Saturn gave up with the PS1, The Dreamcast left the fight against the PS2, and Nintendo has played it safe with the N64, gamecube and now with the Wii. They are focusing on their inhouse material and the new innovative style they have mastered which is a great thing, but not satisfactory to allot of gamers who get their thrills from other genres. So now MS after learning from the Xbox 1 are competing against the PS3. Early start to build their customer base has given them an Ace. Install base means money for developers. After all its mostly about money. MS has less inhouse studios but now more third parties developing for them because of the install base and easy to program for dev kits. The PS3 has awesome inhouse studios and this is were things went wrong. With the 360s head start, the PS3 needed to impress from day 1. Cell powered games that really show its power and great games like MGS and LBP should have come earlier to serve as a catalyst for PS3 to build a quicker install base so that third parties would quit winging and start programming. But that is not the case. Great games have not come yet, install base is small and developers are winging about dev difficulties and are afraid that their games wont sell on the ps3. The delay to produce the great games has hurt Sony and they will need to work on superb inhouse games to grow their install base quickly or they might end up way beind and lose money. And its a basic fact in buisness that if you cant make money, than it will be time to leave. This is the time to push out the first party exclusives.

We want both the ps3 and 360 and not one of the two. We want all the exclusives. We want more games.

[wageslave]

You're buying the Sony BS 100%. All this "cell powered" shows this and that.. is nonsense.

The two machines are of roughly equal power. What did IGN say in its hardware shoot-out?

"CONCLUSION: When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

Repeating Sony marketing about 4D supercomputers is just silly. The cell is just a CPU, and it just happens to be incredibly unnecessarily difficult to program games on.

Its not magic.

[FirstknighT]

So Sony is on its knees begging the developers not to leave. Well all you have to do is look at the big budget flops of Lair and Heavenly Sword. And than look at what the 360 is doing. Games hit the million sale mark pretty easily. Not a surprise that Capcom took its franchise elsewhere. Lost Planet sold over a million on the 360. It won't even hit the 100k for the ps3. Which means Capcom will probably continue to work on the 360 and not give a hoot about the ps3. The ps3 is done.

[stuntman_mike]

i must be a deluded fool..because i like my ps3 and i like the games i have and my blu-ray films im also looking forward to the games coming out on ps3...hang on stuff like this has been going on for years since the days of the nes and master system probably even earlyer than that, things never change.

well im gonna stick to being a deluded fool with my ps3, im happy.