Valve Not Even Bothering With The PS3 Any More

Kotaku: Valve, Valve's boss Gabe Newell and the PlayStation 3 have a history. A history of not getting along. And it doesn't look like that's about to change any time soon.

Here's a little chit-chat the Valve head had with host Geoff Keighley on tonight's episode of GTTV:

Keighley: Are you guys working on PlayStation 3 here now, trying to understand it, trying to get better at it?

Gabe: Uh,no. not in any real way.

There you have it. Not much wiggle room in that sentence.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

Theres Team forteress 2 and The Orange Box on PS3

Lmao , what did you guys want more?

edit: What Fiasco was L4D 1? the game received Good Reviews everywhere I checked.

It was a Fiasco to Ps3 fanboys because they couldnt play it. Thats N4G for ya.

[MURKERR]

no i dont want more,im very happy with the upcoming ps3 exclusives

that dude seriously needs a diet and a shampoo

[Panthers]

He is genuinely ugly. Being skinny would not help that at all. Let him have his Mickey D's

[MURKERR]

especially the comment on motorstorm vs mgs4 sales....wtf? i dont think you should call anyone a fanboy, also google why there was a petition, i never said that the game never recieved good scores but clearly people arent happy in some respects which inturn led to the petition.

ps3 gamers are VERY well catered for in the games department with either exclusives or multis valve do not make or break a gaming library,

[Mr_Bun]

Why are you the first to comment on so many PS3 related articles even though you don't own a PS3?

[techie]

Is it me or does he look like the Nanny in Count Duckula? http://farm1.static.flickr....

[Dragun619]

Honestly, I don't really mind really If Gabe/ Valve doesn't want to develop for the PS3. PS3 has already others to develop for it such as

Naughty Dog (Uncharted 2)
Team ICO (The Last Guardian)
Santa Monica Studio (God Of War 3)
Polyphony Digital (Gran Turismo 5)
Zipper Interactive (M.A.G.)
United Front Games (ModNation Racers)
Studio Liverpool (Wipeout HD)
Guerilla Games (Killzone 2)
Insomniac (Ratchet and Clank: ACIT, Resistance 3)
Level 5 (White Knight Chronicles)
Sucker Punch Productions (Infamous)
Titan Studios (Fat Princess)
Media Molecule (LittleBigPlanet)
San Diego Studio (MLB09: The Show)
Eat,Sleep,Play (Twisted Metal)
Rockstar North (Agent)
Tetsuya Nomura/ KH team (FFvXIII)

It will only be valve's loss.

[evrfighter]

wasn't long before a fanboy decided to bust out a list of titles nobody ever bothers to read lol.

I dont own either a ps3 or 360 but I'm here anyway....just cuz

[masterg]

In the end Valve will loose.
Here is why.

Right now it might earn you a few extra bucks developing for the Xbox vs the PS3. But this holiday alone Sony will take a huge bite back at the gab between the to consoles. Just watch. It will happen.

This will ultimately result in better economy in developing for the PS3. This will however not even be an option. Valve will have very little experience at programming for the PS3 compared to other companies. Their games will suffer the same bugs as early PS3 multi platform games did, making them a very hard sell.

Other companies that supported the PS3 from the start are now experts in programming for it. Valve missed their window and they don't even know it yet.

[sunnygrg]

Left 4 dead is a great game, but I dont see any particular reason for upgrading to L4D2 at a high price of $60.

That being said, Gabe doesnt even like the PS3, so I dont know why this news comes at any surprise.

[rockleex]

How is he a fanboy for listing games that people could be playing on PS3 instead of Valve games that obviously aren't coming?

I didn't see him bashing on any consoles. Hell he didn't even bash Valve.

I swear, N4G gets weirder and weirder everyday. -_-"

@sunny:

That's what I'm saying. Why do people feel the need to write 20 articles throughout the year about how Valve doesn't want to make games for the PS3?

Anyways, I'm out of here(this article). Tired of all the bickering on N4G.

[DelbertGrady]

I think we are witnessing a trend here. More and more developers realize that it's just not worth developing for a console that has higher development costs, a smaller install base than it's competitors and has the lowest software attach rate. The state of the world economy isn't really helping either.

[masterg]

@Soda Popinsky

The xbox has an attack rate at 8.1
The PS3 has an attack rate at 7.9

The attach rate argument is not valid anymore.
If the PS3 isn't worth developing for this year it means the the Xbox wasn't worth developing for last year. A year ago the Xbox has an install base the same size as the PS3 does now and their attach rates are virtually the same. Unless MS is paying Valve for keeping their games Xbox/PC exclusives, Valve are just very poor business men.

[Mr_Bun]

You know better than that!

[table]

Valve is the only developer who thinks this... stop being an ass. Their problem is that their programmers arn't learned with the ps3 hardware. I reckon they'll crack further into this console cycle and realise there's money to be made on the ps3.

I only play Valve games on PC since they play best on that platform. Orange Box on ps3 was horrendous, on the 360 it was mediocre but on PC it's excellent. L4D also feels at home on PC.

@fermcr11 - PC is best for RTS and also FPS, I agree. Fear2 for example is horrible on the consoles but it's not bad on PC. There are some exceptions like Killzone2 which feels right on console and CoD4 feels good with the controller. For all the other genres I'd play it on consoles(again exceptions like KOTOR etc). My point was only to express that I don't mind them not developing for ps3. I don't know why you brought up that I might be trolling...

[ultimolu]

Uh...who cares?

I certainly didn't care.

Love how 360 fans are disagreeing with people who said they don't care, lol.

[cryymoar]

http://odeo.com/episodes/21...
listen to that fatass even smack talk the xb360 saying things like:
-no large medium
-no mandatory HDD
-expensive to develop on
-windows vista sucks

But he praises the console now.

Gabe Newell is just a fat whiny baby.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Guess that confirms the fact you will never see any future releases from GOTY AAA games like Half Life, Counter Strike, L4D, Portal any anything else from Valve. It's got to suck for PS3 owners Valve is one of the most awarded developers in gaming. No developer has a community larger than Valve. It's ok you can still play their games on a PC that runs Microsoft Windows or an Xbox 360. At this point you can pretty much call Valve a Microsoft exclusive developer since PC is a MS platform along with the 360 :)

[edhe]

How is the ps3 going to 'bite back' when it's constantly dropping in year to year sales whilst the 360 is performing far stronger ?

Last NPD the 360 sold not too far off double the ps3's amount.

That's not biting back, is it.

The slim can't triple ps3 sales forever.

[Pennywise]

Bun I wondered the same thing about Natsu and asked the same question and spent the next few days in the open zone. I would still love to know...

/On topic - Valve is not going to budge this gen... I don't think this is news worthy. Call me when they are working with a new engine that isnt from Early 2000's.

[SprSynJn]

Please do enlighten us with what Valve is actually known for besides Half Life and Left 4 Dead. Seriously, I could direct you to a horde of casual gamers who do not know who the company is. Just because they are popular with geeks on a website does not mean they are the next Nintendo.

[Ghoul]

"I think we are witnessing a trend here. More and more developers realize that it's just not worth developing for a console that has higher development costs, a smaller install base than it's competitors and has the lowest software attach rate. The state of the world economy isn't really helping either."

dangerous half knowledge right ahead, with proof.
seriously dude such statements make you look really uneducated and shortminded.

OH and BTW

Valve is a pc dev, everyone who plays theyre games on the 360 is wrong in the first place. All of valves games belong on the pc and that wont change in the future since valve holds steam wich is the pcs LIVE. The 360 ports are just money makers nothing else.

So fanboys around the world please get it together valve is NOT a 360 dev. They are a PC dev only making 360 ports of theyre awesome pc games.

[masterg]

@edhe

Please stop talking NDP. We are talking worldwide numbers. Not North America alone. World wire the 360 is selling about 30k more than the PS3 per month right now. The 4th quarter is always were it happens. Meaning the sales here are roughly 3 times as great.

Lets do an example.
The PS3 double in sales because of price-cut/slim effect. This is by no means a high estimate. This would result in the PS3 selling 6 times as many consoles in the 4th quarter compared with the 3rd quarter.
The Xbox will of course also get great xmas numbers. But we already know their move. The Xbox Elite will be $299. This means the two will go head to head with the same price for the first time ever. If you ask me it's going to be a slaughter.

And keep in mind I have had 3 Xbox 360's, and although I like my PS3 better, Im not a fanboy by any means.

[pixelsword]

If programmers can't or won't develop for the Cell processor now, these same programmers have no hope for the future. Out of the three main future chipsets (Cell B.E., GPU, and FPGA) The Cell Processor is the easiest to program for.

http://www.n4g.com/News-199...

[All-3]

Why does every developer --> have to develop for the PS3?

Aren't there some PS3 --> only developers? Do you dislike those developers just because they've chosen to only develop for the PS3?

Valve has the PC and 360 markets to sell to, and they also have their Steam service for digital distribution. If Valve needed more revenue, it could develop for any number of platforms, but has made the choice not to at this time. Just deal with it... it's not such a big deal is it?

[guitarded77]

Gabe Newell needs to spend less time with Twinkies and more time developing for the PS3.

[jmare]

Valve is primarily a PC developer. They are very good at it. But the downside to that is they are very resistant to trying new things when it comes to development. As the PS3 install base continues to grow, contrary to every 360 fanboy's dearest dream, Valve will be walking away from a considerable amount of market share. I'm not implying that the PS3 will suddenly be dominant, just that it's not going anywhere, just like the 360 and the Wii aren't going anywhere.

Valve just does PC and 360 because they are PC developers and the 360 is essentially a stripped-down specialized PC. I mean this as far as internal components. Valve does not want to learn anything new right now and they are happy with their sales, so why would they want to fcuk that up? It only remains to be seen how long EA keeps from putting pressure on Valve to develop for the PS3.

Everybody needs to calm down. Even people without a 360 can play Valve games on a decent computer. That is why Valve uses the Source engine: so they can put it on as many computers as possible. Valve minimum specs are usually pretty low.

EDIT: He comes off as an even bigger douche because 30 seconds earlier he's going on about how they didn't do right by PS3 users and they had a legitimate gripe with Valve.

[sunil]

If Valve wants to go 360 exclusive good for them.
PS3 has plenty of AAA (my rating) titles either coming out this year or the early part of next.

I for one can sure do without any Valve games (though I own them on on PC).

[techie]

Haha, not just me then. 23 agrees :)

[locos85]

CHECK IT

[njr]

This fat guy is lazy mentally as much as he is physically.

[raztad]

OK, not hating Valve in anyway. Indeed I'm going to get L4D1 for my PC in few days, but lets recognize that Valve has been living just milking a very old engine (Source).

Source is ALREADY ported to the PS3. EA did that work. Yeah the Orange Box is not awesome technically speaking but its quite playable. Source is such an old engine that even with a bad port form EA (one of the earliest) it runs on PS3, it just needs to get more from the Cell SPUs and it will be running perfectly on PS3.

My point is, it is not the technical part what prevents Valve to reach PS3 market. It's a conscious/business decision from Valve of just to develop for the PC and then port to 360.

[pixelsword]

I don't know if your comment was a sleight at me or not, but if it was, consider this:

I never said anything bad about Gabe, as a matter of fact, I can't think of a single game Valve has made that I didn't (eventually) like. Second of all, what I said about programmers was said generally. Valve never said that they won't ever develop for the PS3; it's already been established that they were thinking about developing on the PS3. On top of that, I never Mentioned the PS3, I mentioned The Cell Processor; which although is in the PS3 is not only in the PS3, just like Programmers don't all program for consoles. The fact that the future of PC programming, and therefore console programming, will emphasize multicore programming techniques that will become exponentially more complex in time (just like now) won't allow as much "catching up" time to people who aren't indoctrinated in these techniques already. So yeah; the 360 is very close to what PC games can do now, but advanced FPGA and GPU programming techniques (which are literally around the corner now) won't be anywhere near what people are familiar with.

Or just read that story in that N4G article I linked to in my earlier post; the person who wrote it has over two years programming on the Cell and has programmed on all three chipsets.

[Dude420]

My post wasn't aimed at you, if you look at the previous posts and even some after mine, you'll see why I posted this.

Edit: Wow, because of my previous post I'm losing my bubbles, bloody fanboys.

[aldesko]

Valve is one of my favorite devs, but their games are meant to be played on PC. L4D was actually pretty good on 360 (minus the lack of content compared to the PC version), but I can't play HL2 or TF2 on consoles.

Also, this doesn't mean Valve won't release any games for PS3, it just means they won't port any themselves.

[WaitStation 3]

Cry me a river.

You either get a 360 or upgrade that PC. Don't forget that video card, though. Make sure the Mobo has PCI-E 2.0 or videocard won't be worth it... and the right processor fits, and the same RAM is compatible. Don't forget to update those drivers and make sure SLI, if you have it, is enabled. Good luck with all that.

Valve games on PlayStation? Just wait, maybe next gen. ROFL.

[potenquatro]

I get your point, but you can play Valve games on PS3. You can play OB on PS3. Tha't basically the bulk of Valve games right now. Only thing missing is L4d, but all console owners are missing out on DOD:S anyway. PS3 owners should've gotten those updates though. Can't somebody with SDK port those updates to PS3?? I'm not saying a dev, just somebody from the community.

[Nikuma]

Who cares if they don't make a single thing for PS3. You shouldn't be buying any valve games unless you're getting them on the PC anyways.

[pixelsword]

I wasn't sure, that's why I wanted to make sure I was clear on my points; hopefully, I didn't sound cross because I wasn't.

I'll bubble+ you, though; because, well, I can. :)

[darthv72]

If there was a petition for valve to make ps3 games then why isnt there a petition for insomniac to make 360 games? Unless...there is one nobody told me about.

Honestly there is a double standard from both factions. PS3 gamers who get games from other third parties as exclusives are mad at 360 gamers who get games from third parties as exclusives and vice versa. In the end if PS3 games want these so called exclusives and they are also available on the PC.

I would love to see what insomniac could do with the DS or wii or even the 360 but they have said that even though they are an independent third party, they CHOOSE to make their games for ps3. I can dig that which is why I have a PS3. Valve saying they choose to make their games for 360 and PC should be no different.

Also, those saying they will get the game for PC really arent getting their point across to companies like valve. You want it for ps3 and you are mad that it isnt coming, in the end still get the game for PC??? That is still a sell for valve. If you want to make your point known simply dont buy the product on any format.

It takes commitment in a cause to get the heads to turn your direction.

[Kornholic]

My guess is that the PS3 just doesn't like fat bastards.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

what's with the exterior criticisms?

you know what never mind, ps3 gamers have already proven their true colors, they love to judge books by their covers.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"hmph" fvckin soul less fanboys.

[coolirisGB]

Geoff Keighley is a pro PS3 crybaby sympathizer. His inferior complex turns me off. He'll mention *what about PS3* or *PS3 too* when know one was talking about PS3. GK is a stealth PS3 fanboy he demands developers give PS3 the same respect and treatment as the 360 despite it not being his place. Developers have the right to do what they want just because they make AAA games doesn't mean they are obligated to support PS3.

LOL at the crybabies in here, oh nozzz

[JustinSaneV2]

@masterg

You do know that VALVe's main focus is on PC gaming right? In case you weren't aware, they own the most successful PC digital distribution platform on the market. I don't think they're missing much when it comes to potential PS3 sales.

[iDystopia]

haha This is amazing. Go Gabe, go Valve, go 360.

[DaTruth]

They are a PC developer and probably wouldn't develop for any console, except for the fact that all they have to do is take a medium setting version from the PC, stamp it on a disk, and there is your 360 version and your 250 million dollars!

Simple as that!

[ThanatosDMC]

I dont mind that Valve doesnt support PS3. As long as they keep me content on Steam.

[usern4g]

Why would they?

It's time to accept reality, in the USA -- the largest market in the world -- the PS3 has utterly shiat-the-bed. It has a very very small user base compared to the Wii & Xbox 360.

This user-base problem woudlnt matter as much if Sony hadnt decided to make the developers jump through hoop by relying on DSPs instead of multi-purpose CPU Cores -- and that costs money. That money is being burnt by the millions and not being recovered.

Look at what happened to Haze FFS. That project destroyed the studio.

And, Killzone 2 only went as well as it did because Sony spent their own money helping the devs -- had they not, it would have failed too.

And, its likely that KZ2 has lost money too, rumoured to be the most expensive game ever developed.

Japan has gone almost totally handheld (this is why you see sony bringing so many big-IP titles to PSP). America is solidly Xbox 360 for HD and Wii for casuals/noncore.

It's time you guys realized this.

Valve is only daring to say it in public, but this is clearly not a unique nor unpopular idea in the halls of the Game Industry.

Do you think the CEO of Activision was just blowing smoke when he threatened to abandon PS3 without a price-cut (hence a install-base increase in a hurry)?

These things arent happening in a vacuum.

[Pika-pie]

Its a shame really that Valve cant rise up to the challenge. Although the install base of the PS3 isnt as much as the 360 its still huge and growing rapidly. They are effectivly saying 'Meh' to 40%-45% of the hardcore market worth millions.

If they were smart the would hire some skilled PS3 developers or at least look to Sony for some support. The costs would more than outweigh the potential rewards.

[evilmonkey501]

Ea did all the porting for them. This article should be called "Valve Not Even Bothering With The PS3." "Anymore" would infer that they "bothered" with it in the first place. Who cares anyway. I prefer C.O.D zombies to lfd . (and yes , I own a ps3 as well as an xbox as well you fanboys).

[A_Little_Girl]

who is vavlve, do they even make good games i bet they dont

[caRnAGEconcept]

oy-vey. In so few words, you've managed to say quite possibly the most incorrect statement I have ever heard ... about anything ... ever.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

I guess you are still Very very Young Little Girl who Dont know Sh1t about Gaming because Any Gamer that knows their Stuff would know that

Valve are Great devs.

Team forteress Series
Half-Life Series
L4D series
Portal
Counter Strike

which are all Great Games Series.

You need to STEP YOUR GAMING KNOWLEDGE UP ASAP!

PS: Disagree all you want that wont change the fact that you aint know Sh1t.

ps2: You may Disagree , Valve will not start making a new game for PS3 because you are disagreeing with me.

get your mind right.

[N4PS3G]

@ A little Girl

..i think they created one of the best FPS of all times... whats the name? ehmm ....Half-Life 2

but oh boy! who are you kidding?..the clueless girl stealth troll account ...you know who they are ;)

[A_Little_Girl]

thanks for clearing it all up, seems like they dont really make good games other than mindless fps. ps3 will be fine without another fps

[Pizzagaki]

Remember the game resistance ?
Resistance is a damn Half life rip off without depth.

Half life got depth, and invented the concept of alien indoctrination.
Also, Half life and Counterstrike are one of the most played online games ever.

Basically Valve earns the title, legendary developer, if you dismiss valve, then youre an idiot.
And i dont make love to idiot girls.

*edit*
Did you click disagree on me because i said i dont make love to idiot girls ?
Dont go begging, i am for real, i wont make love to you cuz your an idiot.

[evrfighter]

being a pc gamer I've only seen 2 games on the ps3 and resistance was one of em. It was about as in-depth as Redneck Rampage...

Wait I lied

Redneck Rampage was at least somewhat humorous
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Put a little spit and shine on the graphics and we have Resistance

[Pizzagaki]

Lol yeh, redneck rampage was friggin hilarious.

[rockleex]

evrfighter trying to label other people as fanboys. Funniest thing all day. ^_^

[table]

I'd say resistance is inspired by Halo CE more than anything else. Infact, I'd go so far as saying Resistance FOM is the true 3rd game in the Halo series. Of course all these games got inspiration from games such as Half Life.

[edhe]

"mindless" and "Valve" do not belong in the same area. kthxbai.

[rockleex]

Began as community mods.

Valve just picked them up after they got more popular. O_o

[SprSynJn]

Why does this company, and the community for that matter, think themselves (Valve) so great when they have only two franchises under their belts? Only one of which is considered a classic. I would understand if it were Square or Capcom, but Valve?

[Pizzagaki]

Valve = Counterstrike, Half life, L4d, Team fortress, Portal.

Only 2 franchises you say ?
I count 5 there, and all are very successful.

[Nihilism]

we need an airdrop of droid-be-gone STAT!!, co-ordinates are:

longitude: Dev artcile section
Latitude: ps3 fanboy haven aka valve/ps3 article

[Riddicrash]

Don't get me wrong, Valve are great developers and those are great games but of the 5 you suggested 3 weren't even created by Valve initially, Counterstrike was a mod initially as was Team Fortress and Valve picked up the idea (And the team I believe) for Portal from a game called Narbacular Drop! As I said, don't misinterpret me, Valve have done great things with those franchises, I'm just letting people know the facts!

[II Necroplasm II]

"Did you click disagree on me because i said i dont make love to idiot girls ?"

lol Pizza, you're a trip.

[raztad]

Valve is a PC developer. The highly acclaimed Half-Life series is from it. Valve is a God among PC geeks, if you like first person shooters some Valve games need to be in your must have list.

Get the Orange Box. On PS3 it is glitchy and with a lot of annoying loading times but it packs 5 games for less then $20 and games are playable.

Half-life2: Run and gun FPS. Some smart use of physics/puzzles. Annoying First Person platforming. Vehicle sections are meh. Very weak and unexciting combat but strong storyline.
HL2-EP1, HL2-EP2 are just episodic expansions of HL2. Valve promised a third episode yet to come.

Portal: Very smart FP puzzle game. Highly recommended.
Team Fortress 2: Multiplayer only. I dont like this game but you alway can try.

I'm not a Valve fan but you cant go wrong getting the Orange Box.

[zag]

Valve are ok.

They are really only known for 1 game as that's is all they have made.

Which is Half life that came out in 1995 using a modded Quake 2 engine.

Then in 1999 they came out with Half life 2 using their "own" engine they may have modded another engine who knows, anyway Half life 2 was PC only till the 360 cam out, whihc they simply release the engine for the 360 as the 360 is a cut down PC, (there isn't anything special about the 360) anyway that's when a whole load of new console people started going nuts about it, thinking that it's only ever been released on 360 or something.

I finshed Half life 2 5 years before the orange box came out and I don't know why some many people went nuts for it as the later stages are just run and jump puzzles, in other words gets a bit simplerfied as you come to finshing it.

As for the team fortress etc Valve made that as an addon for half life 1, the other stuff have all mods made by other people and Valve have bought out or employed those people which is good but people are deluded into thinking Valve have made a lot more stuff than what they really have which isn't the case, seeing as Valve only made half life 2 that got released in orange box, team fortress which came out later isn't the only real other project they have done.

Left 4 dead is probably another ripped off mod for half life 2 engine.

[dabri5]

Yes, who's ever heard of Half life, Half life 2, Counter strike, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, Left for dead, and Portal. Seriously what a horrible track record as a developer.

[kharma45]

It's a pity Valve aren't going to bother with PS3 now, as they have some tremendous stuff, but it's Gabe Newell's loss, the fat twat.

[edhe]

No risk = no loss.

Overall net gain as the whole team works on code for future releases and keep it unbranched for platform reasons.

Overall winner = gamers, for having higher polished products in the future from the company.

[snp]

Curious argument.

I'd go the opposite. There's plenty of potential risk and loss for Valve by not bothering to acquire expertise in new platforms/technologies.

I don't think it's at all 'overall winners = gamers' that a previously somewhat forward thinking company has limited itself to a very narrow range of baskets. In fact i'd say it'd almost be a certainty they'd pick up 'something' by learning the ins and outs of PS3 tech which they could not only apply to games for it, but also bring back to their staple platforms.

[Alcon Caper]

The amount of resources it takes to develop for the PS3 is very high. The reason why first party devs (and some third party devs) have such success with the system is that they are subsidized by Sony Entertainment. This is where Guerilla got the sixty million ($60,000,000.00) to make Killzone 2. Other companies that have been subsidized by Sony are: Naughty Dog, Insomniac, and Factor 5 (for Lair).

Third party devs that DON'T get any subsidies, are forced to work with their own money. This is why third party titles have been less successful, because the amount of hours it takes to develop for the PS3 hardware far exceeds that of the PC or Xbox. Where do companies get the money to increase the hours/wages?

I suspect this is why Valve keeps their relatively small company (160 people), focused on these MS-based systems, as to not spread out their resources. It's a financial move and it today's economy, why risk bringing in "PS3 specialists" that may not be able to create a product that is on par with that of the PC specialists.

[zag]

I take it Valve won't be fussed about using the extra CPUs/threads that the Core I7's have these days.

Oh well.

[DaTruth]

Ya, screw multiplat development. I find, it has hurt gaming more than it has helped gamers. It is only good if you buy every piece of trash that is released.

I prefer quality over quantity!

@Alcon Caper: Uncharted DF cost only 10 million to make and an average dev time of 2-3 years and it is considered one of the graphically best console games ever! Not to mention every other aspect of the game is amazing.

[Alcon Caper]

what the f are you talking about $10,000,000.00 disqualifies a majority of third party devs!! That a hell of a lot of money for one game. Too much!

[Lucreto]

Meh it looks like Valve won't be getting my money this gen either.

It is good that even in recession and working in a high pirate platform they have enough money to avoid a platform completely and people call them professional game developers.

[v1c1ous]

i guess david jaffe won't see a cent from me either!

we have to be fair afterall :D

[usern4g]

Are you really making an argument here?

Valve considered the Risk vs. Reward/Loss and decided that PS3 isnt worth it.

That actually makes them more professional. More professional than being force to hold back the Xbox 360/PC titles because they dont want to burn money eeking out equal performance on the PS3.

Making these decisions based on REALITY instead of your-type of drivel is what makes Valve so damn awesome.

Portal, Half Life, Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress are all top-tier titles, and I dont want to see their quality suffer because they are wasting time making PS3 games no one will buy.

Sir, you're comment just reeks of sore-loser. Dont blame Valve because you expect them to support your favorite, failed console.

[hay]

Valve is so 2007. /jk

I don't really care about Valve doing PS3 games. Their titles have so low requirements that they can run nicely on older PC's so I always go with a PC for shooters when it's possible. No brainer for me here.

I also wonder why they're looking for PS3 devs since according to this one, they're not interested in PS3 development.

[mastiffchild]

Well, it's a shame in two ways really-it's a shame that Valve won't push themselves into providing PS3 gamers with ANYTHING(they had nothing to do with the partially broken OB port PS3 owners had to suffer)as despite big Gabe crying that it was too hard for him I'm sure, in reality, they could have done a great job.

And it's a shame that Valve sticking with the faithful, but now showing it's age, Source engine left little room to prove themselves the great developer they and their fans feel they still are-iD are a similarly PC based dev risking their rep by trying out the PS3, Bioware, too, have a MS heavy heritage and they're taking the jump and the risk in trying as well. I do believe that if they both do it successfully people will wonder exactly why Valve won't do it-is it because they're not willing/uncomfortable in a dev process away from the similar dev tools for 360 and PC? Are they worried that a poor effort might tarnish their good rep? Or is Gabe, after a lifetime working for , and with, Microsoft just unwilling to either change or work for what he might percieve as "the enemy"?

Gabe was certainly not backwards in slagging off Sony so there's substance to the opinion that he either dislikes them/PS3 or just harbours to strong a liking for his former paymasters over at MS-IDK but found gis early comments, and the derisory laughter when they were asked about possible L4D on PS3 a little insulting to PS only gamers myself. Ut could be that Gabe and Valve realise that it is a change in programming to get the best from the PS3 and they aren't prepared for the change-after all they hardly do things quickly, do they?(L4D2 apart!)

I just think, personally that they're in a comfort zone and it's a bit sad that a great developer, for whatever reason, won't grasp the nettle and compete over more platforms but it's their prerogative to do whatever they like-thing is if they weren't going to make PS3 games why on earth did Gabe have to open his trap about this at all? It didn't look good then and after other devs great games on PS3 looks much sillier now. It's jus Gabes outbursts that puzzled me really as I don't see what the point was.

Thankfully anyone desperate to play Valve games can pretty much do so as the Source engine doesn't eat PC specs and most will run the likes of L4D just fine so there's little reason for anyone else to cry over any of this. Would have been nice to see if Valve coud have competed with the best on PS3 though, wouldn't it?

[Pizzagaki]

Valve may be 2007 now, but for sure they have been working on a new engine for a new half life game.

Look how the rage engine put ID back on the map after a few years of absence.
When Valve shows their new engine and their next half life, Valve will be bigger and better then ever.

[evrfighter]

Wow Mastiff I didn't bother to finish it because its 4am. But Your goin on as if Valve is a console dev...

Once you figure out what platform Valve makes their games on. All your woes and heartache are put to rest.

[user858621]

who cares that fat blob wudnt even be bothered to giv up donuts

[TheMART]

If you're a gamer you would care.

[user858621]

why would i exactly?? when i hav enough games to look forward to

ohh i 4got ur a bot so ur jumpin ova the idea of ANOTHER F*CKIN FPS!

[N4PS3G]

cus having more good games is even BETTER? :O

;)

[kookro]

It's people like you that make me regret not becoming a suicide bomber.

[-MD-]

Upset much?

[user858621]

u no havin 300 fps games on a console isnt really that gud -_-'

@kookro plzzz wud u :) it wud do n4g a favor

[Ninver]

Who cares when you get games like Killzone2, Infamous, MLB09 and more to come in the near future. Valve just proved their incompetent f@cks and frankly i wouldn't buy any games from them if their life depended on it.

If they where smart they would not alienate a whole 23 million gamers because in the business world that is potential money lost due to laziness.

[digger18]

Mart if you was a gamer, you would see good and bad in all consoles. You come into every PS3 thread and talk BS all the time, never say anything good.
You are the biggest zealous (very nearly Psychotic) fanboy I've ever come across in all my 30 plus years of gaming.

[kookro]

I'll be sure to take you with me...

[Ninver]

Also xbots needed reply with "oh but Naughty Gods or Gorilla Games don't make games for the 360". Well no sh!t dumb f@cks they are first party devs whilst Valve are third party. They have no excuse except to develop for a fanbase that buy sequels less than one year from the first lol.

Straight up incompetent.

[TheMART]

Because missing out on great games, is still missing out on great games, whatever other games you are getting, period.

And as Valve is one of the best developers around, YOU MISS OUT as a gamer on stuff.

You can't twist that. Its a loss. You can shout all you want, say this guy is fat or whatever, but it won't change anything to the situation that the 360 gets the great games and the PS3 doesn't. Period.

Valve didn't prove they are incompetent, they are just saying the POS3 isn't worth to invest in, we back up the 360 only. Something like the PS2 got the most 3rd party support last gen and the XBOX 1 was left out more often. It wasn't because of the hard programming on the XBOX 1, it was because the PS2 had a larger installed base.

Same is happening this gen. Enjoy the PS3rd place you fantards, with less games and support.

EDIT

@ the little girl (below)

PS3 needs every game it can get. It is more then 300 games behind the 360 in total number of games. The 360 has 156 games on or above 8 out of 10, the PS3 has 113 (Metacritic). The PS3 has only one great exclusive shooter AAA and that is Killzone 2. Multiplat its COD4 and Bioshock. But still then it could use more.

A good game is a good game, if there are more in the same genre or not. You're still missing out, period.

[A_Little_Girl]

mart, he shouldn't care, it's just game company that only makes shooters, ps3 have plenty of shooters. if it was a developer that makes rpg, then he'll probably should care.

[NaiNaiNai]

Dirty Beaver - What 23 million fans. more like 2 million, you know since not even that many people bought killzone 2, Why would Valve want to waste money on a system that doesn't respect them, doesn't support them, and doesn't give them sells.

*right below*
typical droid.

JUST WAIT!!!!...what is this 2007 oh wait 08, oh wait 09, oh wait, 10 NO 2014 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE PS3.

Dumbass.

so again killzone 2 was worth it with your 800 people online. and less then stellar 2 mill sells. XD ROFL like i said, ps3 owners won't even support there own devs. how sad.

*edit*
darkpower you more then likely don't even own a console, its probably your dads ps3 and he beats you so you can only say the ps3 is better because thats all you know. T_T kinda sad how you attack the 360 and its devs. If I recall when L4D was first announced ps3 owners were like cool. Then as soon as it was announced for 360 and pc only you all started attacking them saying the game was horrible BLAH BLAH BLAH. so of course why would ANY dev want to support a community like that.

360 owners never attack capcom before RE5. they never attacked the devs behind ace combat, or SE, so those companies made games for the system WHY because they knew the game would sell. why would any company want to support a system that has its 1# shooter not even sell 2 million copys. they know theres no sells there. so why support the system when the gamers do not support the system.

[Ninver]

You reek of delusion. The ps2 constantly proved it's worth with some of the most gound breaking games in the history of gaming only to have M$ cash in on Sony's success (typical).

If the ps3 wasn't worth investing in you wouldn't have Motorstorm raking in 3.4 million dollars of MGS4 raking in near 5 million, or GT5:Prologue raking in near 4 million etc etc...

Your argument is moot and you're just a follower. Stop acting like the console gen is only in favor of M$ because i gurantee you, people will be going crazy for the ps3 when the price cut hits. I can't wait to see your tears bot.

Edit: @ NaiNai reject

lol dumb@ss calling others dumb@ss. I jsut love you little cute turds.

"Why would Valve want to waste money on a system that doesn't respect them, doesn't support them, and doesn't give them sells". Um maybe if they made a game actually worth $100 (Australian price for me) gamers would see the value and buy it.

It's not my fault ps3 gamers have grown customed to quality games.

Like i said they are incompetent and it shows in their games.

[Dimitri]

Missing out on great games ?? I dont see any great games from Valve, apart from Counter Strike 1.6.
I can have Left 4 Dead games on my PC, which runs better and looks better on my PC.

Great games can only be found on PS3 this year, next year and year after that. Exclusive line up for PS3 is unbeatable.

Even sh1tty multi plat games score higher on the PS3 now.

XBOX 360 is history, unless Microsoft proves to release something which looks at least a bit like Uncharted 2 or Heavy Rain.

Mart is just here to lie to himself and try to pi.ss people off, he knows himself that the best games can now be found on the PS3.
His extreme fanboy mind doesnt give him a joice, but to defend his dying, or Left 4 Dead console.

[TheMART]

"You reek of delusion. The ps2 constantly proved it's worth with some of the most gound breaking games in the history of gaming only to have M$ cash in on Sony's success (typical). "

Wut? PS2 was out one year earlier then the XBOX 1, had a larger installed base, thus got the support. The 360 is in that position this gen. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

"If the ps3 wasn't worth investing in you wouldn't have Motorstorm raking in 3.4 million dollars of MGS4 raking in near 5 million, or GT5:Prologue raking in near 4 million etc etc... "

Ah, you're mentioning the only two real success stories of the PS3. MGS4 dropped in price after just FOUR MONTHS in shops. Thats pathetic. LBP, the exclusive with the highest rating on PS3 exclusives, is 29,99 Euro ATM overhere, it dropped after it was out 6 months.

Killzone 2 costed including marketing etc. costs 80 mln. dollars. It only sold 1.5 mln. copies. Big, sad loss there. Resistance 2, 1.5 mln. sold. LBP just hit 2 mln. because of the pricedrop and it was bundled. That were last Christmas main hitters on the POS3 and they didn't sell what was expected, period.

"Your argument is moot and you're just a follower. Stop acting like the console gen is only in favor of M$ because i gurantee you, people will be going crazy for the ps3 when the price cut hits. I can't wait to see your tears bot."

First, yes the 360 is in favour with the devs. You see it with exclusive support as from Valve. But also in first/exclusive getting the demo's, videos and DLC. You see it in the 98% of multiplats versions running the best version on the 360. You see it everywhere. This gen is lost for Playstation. Focus on the next.

[JD_Shadow]

Because Gabby doesn't give a rat's ass about the game industry (you know, that Sony is a PART OF), so why should we GAMERS (which he is not and which you obviously are not) give a sh!t about HIM!

Maybe when he gets off his lazy ass and actually TRIES to make a QUALITY game for ANY system (or just hire someone who KNOWS the goddamn code), THEN he can start gaining respect back.

Will he care, though? From this...no!

@Mart: The trolls (i.e.: YOU!) woke up early today, did they?

"Wut? PS2 was out one year earlier then the XBOX 1, had a larger installed base, thus got the support. The 360 is in that position this gen. I have no idea what you are trying to say here."

Wait...I thought year long head starts had nothing to do with why a system was ahead of another. That logic didn't work any other time with you. Now, suddenly, that matters?

"First, yes the 360 is in favour with the devs. You see it with exclusive support as from Valve. But also in first/exclusive getting the demo's, videos and DLC. You see it in the 98% of multiplats versions running the best version on the 360. You see it everywhere. This gen is lost for Playstation. Focus on the next."

Going into how much retardedness went into THIS paragraph would take WAY too long!

[Mo0eY]

Unless Halo 3 was Xbox 360 exclusive, I couldn't give a sh!t what this fat fvck says.

Whatever Valve makes is best used on the computer - HANDS DOWN.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

No GOTY award winning games from the Half Life, Counter Strike and Portal franchises for da droids. Might aswell check off L4D, Team Fortress, Half Life ep 3, Portal 2 from those dream list droids :D

[ShadowCK]

Valve have created fantastic games such as Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Portal and Left 4 Dead. So you should be bothered about this story.

[only on playstaychun]

Most ppl seem to miss the point. Valve are PC DEVELOPERS. They are the by far the best PC Developers and probs the only few games I still play on PC, games like Team Fortess, Counter-strike and Half Life. Games like TF2, CS:S and L4D are constantly being updated with new maps, new mods, community created maps and many other things like TF2 class updates. Valve said that they wud release these updates that xbox owners having been missing out for TF2, but fact is that they are still to offer all the updates pc gamers have been enjoying.

All Valve games are PC Friendly ie. if you have a pc that is around 3 yrs old you shud be able to run all their games, and the community is miles better on the PC. The point being that if you want to play Valve games you wud be stupid to play them on consoles, unless you have no alternative.

[Shane Kim]

Piuh, luckily I can buy/download all Valve games right to my PC ;)

[Kill Crow]

Why would one of the best FPS developers out there want to get involved?

It's simple maths ... PS3 might have better this or better that, but at teh end of the day it doesn't shift games.

Developers aren't in it for the kudos ... they're in it for the money ....

[Dimitri]

TheMart is trying to say PS3 games are cheap thats why they are worthless..

So what should the industry say about XBOX 360 ?? The cheapest is almost the same price as PS2.

Worthless piece of ....

Thats where I end my discussion with this id1ot. He proved his thinking, i dont need to say more.

CHEAP = SH1T.

[WaitStation 3]

"JUST WAIT!!!!...what is this 2007 oh wait 08, oh wait 09, oh wait, 10 NO 2014 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE PS3."

I'm WaitStation 3 and I support this message.

[talltony]

The PS3 has so many first and second party developers that are bringing tons of brand new ips to the table every year. How the hell can you say the "ps3 has no great games"???? Are you mental? I know 360 fanboys that would disagree with that statement. The 360 is the one with the least first party support no matter how many more games it got from 3rd party devs because of its head start. This is not 2006/2007 anymore Mart. The best games are on the ps3 right now.
And BTW I have a 360 (hasnt been turned on in months) with a 34+ gamerscore so I get the best of both worlds. I have every great 360 exclusive and they are all lacking compared to sony's.

[rawd]

Frowny cheeseburger face

[JD_Shadow]

And thus, here we go AGAIN!

360 fanboys will cheer that someone is slamming the PS3, Valve fanboys will blindly defend this man, and others just won't care.

Seriously, Valve really needs to get with the times here, and stop making excuses. There are just TOO many people that know the PS3 code like the back of their hand. Valve is the only ones still unable to even grasp this, or even cares.

And again, some people will actually defend this guy because they are too blind in loving everything about Valve that they don't know any better (or care to), or they are 360 fanboys who will support anyone who talks sh!t about the PS3.

This is really sad.

EDIT@below: THAT didn't take long, DID it?

[Natsu X FairyTail]

they dont feel like making PS3 games. so what?

Theres no need to be pissed @ them for that reason.

Some Devs just like to make games on a specific consoles while others prefer other consoles.

I might as well start cussing @ Devs that make 3rd party exclusives on PS3 but not on xbox360.

[evrfighter]

I love Valve and Steam. Does that make me a Valve fanboy?

I joined the l4d2 boycott. Does that make me a Valve fanboy?

true stories btw.

[Pricey]

I Think they see themselves as artists, an Engineer would be more interested in the challenge and rewards the PS3 brings, were as the artist is probably more interested in realizing their vision. It's easier for them to achieve this with the 360 architecture given their background.

But that's not to say they couldn't achieve the same or more on the ps3 with a little more effort.

[jessupj]

Would an artist start cussing blatent lies of hate which hold zero credibility at the cardboard that's next to the piece of paper he's currently drawing on? (ps3 being the cardboard and paper being the 360)

No he wouldn't. A lot of people fail to realise us sony heads arn't butt hurt about not being able to play valve's games on the ps3, we're pissed about their childish, arrogant attitude toward the ps3 and their blatent fanboyish hate.

[Pricey]

^
yes they(artists) would because they're known to b e temperamental

[TheTruth89]

This Fat King sould be in the Fat Princess gladiator arena.

Btw, no problem, PC games for me.

[Sarcasm]

Who cares if they don't work on the PS3, they need to get up off their a$$es and make something better than the pre-historic source engine already.

[Pizzagaki]

They obviously are working on a new engine....
Engines arent made in one year, takes 4 years at least to make a good one.

[LeShin]

I wasn't even gonna bother getting into to this because it'll just mean multi-platform companies like EA will always make more money then Valve and they just won't get my money. I won't loose any sleep :)

But that comment you just put out....lmfao. Gamer to gamer(troll), please show me a graphics engine made by Valve already that even looks half as good, (don't forget all the physics based stuff and particle effects) as Killzone 2?

In fact name ANY fps that looks as good as Killzone 2 on a console. I don't even need to mention Uncharted 2's engine to make you look really stupid.

Can't wait for your reply.....

[evrfighter]

"In fact name ANY fps that looks as good as Killzone 2 on a console. "

but the source engine is used on the pc...we're talking pc here, so why does it have to be a console fps all of a sudden?

so now that we're talking pc engines, come back when a console can do this and look good doin it
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
(not crysis, 100% gameplay)

[rockleex]

That look better than Uncharted 1/2 or Killzone 2.

I'll be waiting. ^_^

@evrfighter:
Those textures look just plain awful. The only good thing is the lighting effects, which still can't compare to Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2.

[LeShin]

Sorry, but you'll need to save your comment for another topic as this is about Gabe and the PS3 and that guy/girl NaiNaiNai specifically called out the PS3 so that's where my response was directed, on topic.

But I'll bite. Of course, Pc games on a high end rig (which I don't own) will look better than a console game providing you have the funds to pay for that privilege.

Now answer my question :)

[jessupj]

"funny that "pre-historic" engine looks better then 90% of the games on ps3. XD "

Following that logic, the source engine looks better then 99% of 360 games.

(I'm talking exclusives here. Please don't bring up your flawed multiplatform arguements)

[Sarcasm]

Yeah I'm talking about comparing it to other PC engines, the source engine is a dinosaur.

[ShabzS]

as much as i love valve this is just lame ... how can you guys call yourselves professional game developers with stunts like this ... i know they are just a small group of 80 but still

[green]

A developer is free to make a game on whatever platform they so desire.Valve don't owe consoles gamers anything because their success comes from the PC.

Secondly, there are developers that choose to make exclusives for the PS3 like Insomniac but they choose not to based on the relationship they have with Sony.But why are people not slating Insomniac for that decision?

I only own a 360 and if a dev chooses to make PS3 only games that i would like to play, i will go buy a ps3 instead of slamming the devs.

[N4G king]

Media Molecule , ONLY 30 , FIRST GAME = LittleBigPlanet

taht maens its not about big or small groups
its about if your lazy or not

[ShabzS]

the 80 or so guys in valve are definitely divided into diffrenet sections ... with guys working on team fortress 2 and its updates , l4d support for pc modding community and console dlc and now l4d 2 development and finally maintainence of their steam service... and who knows some of them are probably working on hl2 ep3 ...

its not about lazyness its that they just dont want to do it or that they dont have the man power to do it...

@ Green: they cerainly dont owe the console community anything ... but i just dont like that they are extremely vocal about the b*tching in matters of game developement ... i mean this is their job...this is what they are supposed to be good at... i can kinda understand the true playstation community's anger towards vavle .. i felt the same when terminal reality talked all that bull about the 360 during the ghostbusters phase...

[green]

"but i just dont like that they are extremely vocal about the b*tching in matters of game development.

So what are they supposed to say when asked about PS3 development?Are they supposed to lie? or say "no comment", then have all the fanboy website claim that they are secretly porting LFD for the PS3.

You say it is their job to develop games and that is what they are supposed to do.Well IMO they have been doing a pretty fine job of it over the past 10 years.As it stands today, Valve are in a much better position today, with this present economic situation than 80% of independent game studios making multi console games because of the strong PC community they have,the highly profitable Steam Network and their new found success on the 360.

[mastiffchild]

Well I'm a big fan of Valve's games Shbz, but I don't think anyone would have even raised an eyebrow had Gabe just said they were a small team without the resources to properly support a system beyong the two MS ones they already make games for. Instead he was very inflammatory with his anti-PS3 statements and that brought a lot of things into question.

Is the long working history with both Valve and, personally, Gabe himself, and MS platforms colouring his views? Do they/he feel that they couldn't support PS3 to the same level as the high one they manage for games made with MS dev kits? And , mainly, why the derogaory remarks about a console he/they have no intention of working with/on? All he did was upset people and after other devs have made great PS3 games(exclusives and nmultis)made Valve look like they don't want to, are unwilling to or just cannot compete with the results others have got from Sony's console.

I don't doubt Valve's ability myself and feel they could easily make a great game for the PS3 but don't know if this has all come about because they can't do it AND keep it and the other platforms at the level they currently do. Whatever, the outbursts and attitude haven't helped anyone-not Valve, not Sony and not Gabe. Best to just draw a line under it, imo, most people have a PC able to run Source engine games anyway so just now many of us are forced to miss out because of Valve's refusal/inability to provide them for PS3?

I don't understand, mind, why Gabe has never manahed to upset Wii owners while not making anything for them either-maybe because he didn't go out and rubbish Ninty and their hardware? I just tink he's been a little daft in what he's said and that it was totally not needed. Just what did he hope to gain from it all?

As I said, it's a shame we won't see Valve compete in the way both Bioware and iD are trying to but if this is the way it is there's no point moaning-as there was little point in Gabe moaning in the first place!

[The Wood]

Green cant see that. He hasnt noticed how insomniac or naughtydog or any other dev affiliated but not owned by sony dont sound disrespectful when talking about the other console if/when asked. Whatever MS or their affiliates do is fine by him. Too much double standards if you ask me because if the shoe was on the other foot he'll let it be known how arrogant or stupid 'x' is. And to answer greens question about what would we expect them to say to not look like douchebagish....... I'd say read/watch how Ted Price does it...Hows that

[green]

"Too much double standards if you ask me because if the shoe was on the other foot he'll let it be known how arrogant or stupid 'x' is."

I seriously urge you to go look at my comment history.I have been on N4G for 2 years and a few developers have taking shots at the 360 for whatever reason but you will never see me complain about what they say because frankly, i do not care.

And why should any developer ask naughty dog about developing on other non sony platforms?Are they not owned by Sony?

[The Wood]

People can say what they want as its a free world but just because he IS obese doesnt me i should or would call him that. He could answer by saying that he is comfortable with MS and have a great working relationship with them and their console as he is an ex employee etc. Only the ones with chips on their shoulders could complain about that type of answer. Maybe in life if you cant say anything good say nothing....maybe......is this such a hard social skill for him to grasp. Why should he be so 'honest' but MS dont have to be over the actual failure rate of its console. Im digressing anyway. My point is reactions like this can be easily avoided. Again Valve are entitled to their prerogative as were ensemble and bungie but there was no such reaction to what they said from a pr standpoint because they exercised tact and better judgement.

Theres something in life called tact... Ill leave it at that.

[N4G king]

hes too lazy to move his fat ass
and learn new things or do new things

[locos85]

I Agree

I found a better picture of Gabe Newell

[Biggunz]

He has to be the fattest laziest ass on the planet. I'm surprised he has the strength to get his fat ass up to feed his piehole more doughnuts.

[Ninver]

What useless pigs. Keep these last gen devs on the 360 where they belong. They will kick their own @ss once they see what other devs are achieving with the ps3's hardware. When the price goes down and the ps3 gains a substantial install base, they will be the first once to claim they love the console.

[-MD-]

"hey will kick their own @ss once they see what other devs are achieving with the ps3's hardware."

The PC is more powerful than the PS3 (obviously) so that comment is pretty pointless.

[muddygamesite]

"The PC is more powerful than the PS3 (obviously) so that comment is pretty pointless."

I don't really like to interrupt conversations and butt in unnecessarily, but your statement has to be the most retarded and vague comment to grace this comments thread. For you to Say a "PC" is more powerful than a PS3 means you have no knowledge of operating systems and Hardware specifications what so ever.

Why do I say so ? let me elaborate. A PC could be any kind of machine and have A WIDE range of specifications. Some PC's are more powerful than the PS3 (High spec PC's), While some (Many of them) are far below what the PS3 is capable of. So for you to say PC is more Powerful than PS3 means you are saying both the High end, Mid range and Low end machines out perform the PS3 ? . . . .HMMMM . . .I HIGHLY doubt that.

The PS3 is a closed system, which means MOST of the system resources can be allocated to making a great looking game that RIVAL high end PC games. A PC on the other hand is running thousands of applications in the background (PLUS THE OPERATING SYSTEM), and that usually is a rather huge performance hit. The PC is not optimized for gaming.THe PS3 is. That is why games like UNCHARTED and UNCHARTED 2 e.t.c. will continue to prove the PS3 (the low spec machine as you will refer to it) can produce visuals way beyond what a similar spec PC is capable of.

And in reply to " They will kick their own @ss once they see what other devs are achieving with the ps3's hardware.",

That statement is very true. Valve are lazy. Extremely lazy, and arrogant devs. They are still living off past glory and have not come up with any new exiting IP ever since half life (Please dont mention that silly puzzle game known as portal). All they do is create episodic content for half life and now people think they are the GODS of programming ? absolute rubbish. VALVE are last gen developers with no skills or talent to program for a powerful machine like the PS3. Why do you think they love the XBOX360 ? because they basically get spoon fed all the tools they need so they dont have to come up with anything new.

[Shane Kim]

Good comment bu Shadow Master, couldn't agree more.

[muddygamesite]

No probs shane. thanks :-)

[DonCorneo]

this year, they are releasing a mod as a full retail game.. and xbots, like the suckers they are, are all over it.

as i said over and over, nothing special with L4D.. resistance 2's co-op is better then it in all levels

[Pandamobile]

Any PC with more than a 7900 GTX GPU will out perform a PS3 in almost all games.

Valve? Lazy? LOL.

They're a company of 150 people with 5 projects going. Give me another company that can do that.

They're the creators of the most critically acclaimed game of all time, so they have the right to be picky on which platform their games are on.

Valve, from a business standpoint are multiplatform devs. From an internal standpoint, they might as well be still making PC exclusives. Steam is their platform. How many game devs can say they OWN the platform they're shipping to. 20 Million Steam users is enough to sell any game with a great deal of success.

For Valve to start developing for the PS3 would take considerable effort from their 150 person staff, and take precious time away from actually developing their games like TF2, L4D2, HL2:EP3 and Portal 2. Not to mention the team that works and operates Steam.

[Saaking]

Poor bots, the PS3 has dozens more developers and a lot of them are better than Valve. Sure, I buy valve games on the 360 because I don't like gaming on my PC but there's a lot of people who can buy it on PC without having a 360. I know you're happy bots. You get one developer and even though the PS3 has dozens of developers exclusive to that platform you go around saying it's the doom of the PS3.

[Pandamobile]

I used to think you were cool Saaking :(

[Enate]

Are you serious, you should really stop making such broad statements. Such as all you need is this an it destroys anything the PS3 can do that's bs an you know it. There are so many other variables in a pc that can kill your performance besides just a graphics card. CPU, Ram, OS an any number of other issues that could prevent you from performing as advertised. An beyond even that an even with that your not going to playing Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War III, Demon Souls, White Knight Chronicles, Gran Turismo 5 an many more. Which brings it to the fact that if you had the best PC on the planet it doesn't matter if you don't have the games you wish to play on it. Not to mention the difference in infrastructure in the PS3 that operates on a level most people outside development can't understand.

If it wasn't different then there wouldn't be issues with some developers having a harder time then others to develop for it. There are to many variables for you to give a direct comparison of PC vs PS3. You can not compare a variable with a standard. In graphics display alone in some multiplatform games like Fallout 3 which isn't that different in the first place sure. Though comparing the direct capabilities is impossible since everyone doesn't have the same pc an even if they did you nor anyone on here knows the full capabilities of the PS3. On the contrary you might think you know by assuming but we know where assuming gets people these days.

Edit

I'm not saying a PC can't produce higher graphics then a Ps3 but at what cost. An would the slight increase in resolution be worth the cost especially if the majority of what you prefer was PS3 exclusive. You would be SOL with a PC that could run NASA but you couldn't play the games you wanted to.

[Pandamobile]

The only good games on the PS3 are first party games.

All multiplatform PS3 games look like garbage. COD4 and WAW for example. That game runs on PC low-medium settings at a resolution of 600p. For me, something like this is unacceptable. I'm used to seeing flawless visuals at high resolutions. Games like KZ2 and Uncharted didn't impress me in the slightest because all I saw were jaggies. KZ2's textures weren't very good. The only feature of that game that was good was the lighting and animation. Everything else just looked like Unreal 3 engine.

A $600 would wipe the floor with anything the PS3 could produce. If you went toe to toe with KZ2 vs Crysis on a $600 PC or any other comparison you'd like to make.

[-MD-]

So you think hardware from 2007 is more powerful than the constantly evolving PC? I'm not even going to read your bad comment as I'm sure it's full of stupid.

[Enate]

Your opinion means about as much as nothing to me because your head is so far up M$ A** you can't see. An if you did bother to read you would understand that I said higher end pc's would produce better graphics so maybe you should read before you open your mouth.

Pandamobile- Honestly I wouldn't know with those games I played cod4 for a bit on PS3 but I can't stand FPS games to be honest. An I'm beyond sick of before modern warfare games so I found WAW boring for all of the 10mins I played it. When I played Uncharted 1 I was still on an sdtv so that's all you as far as the U2 beta goes I don't see any Jaggies but I guess my TV is just awesome that way. Your preference is clearly PC so I won't argue with you on what games are better. I'll just play both an not worry about it.

[Pandamobile]

But it doesn't take a high end PC to out perform a PS3 in multiplatform games.

A low-to-mid end rig would do much better in a game like COD or Fallout, or Burnout, pretty much anything.

An Intel E6600, 3 GB of RAM and an 8800 GT would do all of this perfectly fine, yet the PS3 suffers because the game's developers can't fully utilize the PS3's capabilities unless they put all their effort into the PS3 version itself.

[Enate]

I know very well that computer could play games like Fallout 3 no problem my point is its not destroying visuals be 400 light years like you seem to think. An like I said in my first comment it doesn't matter if you have a PC that could run NASA if you don't have the games. You obviously see it differently then I do as you claim to see some of the worst graphics ever from any PS3 game. If all you wanna play is on PC then you should have no problem good luck with that.

Edit

As a matter a fact I have Fallout 3 on PC an PS3 an my biggest thing between them is the mods on PC. I'm having a bunch of fun with that but that's nothing I didn't already know before I got my new rig.

[Pandamobile]

I never said I was against the PS3. I plan to buy one fairly soon. It's just not nearly as powerful as people make it out to be.

Especially in terms of gaming performance.

[-MD-]

"I don't really like to interrupt conversations and butt in unnecessarily, but your statement has to be the most retarded and vague comment to grace this comments thread. For you to Say a "PC" is more powerful than a PS3 means you have no knowledge of operating systems and Hardware specifications what so ever."

I'm begging you to find me a console game that can out perform it's PC counterpart. I'll be waiting forever as such a game doesn't exist. Shoot yourself.

[snaileri]

They shouldn't focus on Xbox360 either.
PC is the best platform for gaming.

[stonecold3]

a dime from me thats for sure plus naughty dog are the most talented developers out there media moducle sukker punch and guirella games i thinkthey are the most respected in the indrustry and valve rushhing ou with another l4d less than 6 mnths i wouldnt by quanity products and im looking at dead rising 2 day 1 for me nad if dead island comes out on ps3 i think that will be a game which i would prefer over l4d

[NaiNaiNai]

Respected devs. ROFL ps3 owners won't even support them and there supposed to be the best on the console, now thats gold.

[Pizzagaki]

Its time for valve to bring us a new Half life, with a completely new engine.

MS would promote that trough the proof!

[Marty8370]

They will get left behind in the industry.

Learning how to program PS3 would have made them better at multi core programming. Not even trying proves how bad they are.

Future CPU/GPU's will have more than measly 3 cores/6 threads.

[NaiNaiNai]

ROFL the ps3 has such hardcore gamers, but they can't even get 10% of the user base to buy there best shooter. killzone 2. A weak 2mill and its supposedely the godsend of all shooters.

ROFL. if anything, valve is to good for the ps3.

Wait you had sex with your grandma, oh I'm sorry you didn't know that I'm your dad your poor droid.

[ArcticWolfUK]

ROFL your mums too good for me, but that never stopped her xD

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

shadow_master your comment is the best comment of the year seriously. I couldn't of said it any better.

[muddygamesite]

THANKS ultimate revenge. Bubble for you.

[Saaking]

WTF is you're problem Nainai? You can't enjoy a game that doesn't sell well? If a game sells millions does it make you in some way enjoy the game more? Are you rewarded for it? NO. You get nothing out of sales. If a game sells only 2 copies I'll enjoy it as much as a game that sells 10 million, because all I worry about is my ONE copy not anybody else's. Get that through you're head.

[ico92]

there just lazy developers i mean you only have to look as far as the orange box ps3 version and L4D2 controversy to see why, gabe newell is just a fat b@stard.

[NaiNaiNai]

lazy devs, nope, they just don't want to give there amazing games to people who don't respect them, like the entire ps3 community.

[NaiNaiNai]

are poor ps3 fans, so but hurt, What do you guys care anyways, If I recall you didn't want L4D in the first place now you want L4D 2. and mass effect 2, and Gears 3. God what those amazing ps3 games like killzone 2, LBP,* MGS4, GT5 *OH wait thats never gona come out* not as good as your preached.

poor things.

You know the sad part. Valve and its ancient Engine for L4D has sold more then killzone 2 the AMAZING FPS THAT NONE CAN BEAT.

AS for LBP those sells are pathetic. GT5P sold alot because people didn't have a good race game on the ps3. and about 90% of the people who bought it were pissed at it. XD

thereapersson - After reading your comments I can tell you have way to many multi accounts. other wise you would have less bubbles then me. XD

negative_0 - nice multi account, does the truth scare you that much.

5 posts ago it was over 200 days since then for you. ROFL. and I'm the casual gamer, the guy who has owned all 3 systems, who stood up for the ps3 but couldn't stand it because of all the ignorant people on it like yourselfs. XD how sad this site has truly become, if you want to be a real gamer like me, you play it first. and guess what I HAVE. unlike you 360 bashing RRoD freaks who haven't even touched the system because your so poor after buying the ps3 and 2 games.

[JD_Shadow]

Oh, f*ck me!

Did you just ignore the entire point of the discussion by choice or are you just that blind?

Oh, and how can a group of people respect someone who fires the first salvo behind their back, huh? Please explain that to me!

EDIT: Never mind. Judging by what you've posted on here (to waste four bubbles on your silly console flame war), I think I have my answer to my first question.

By the way, Infamous, LBP, and Killzone 2 have a million units sold in their short lifetimes...just so you know.

Maybe for the PS3 owners to respect Gabe Newell, Gabe Newell has the respect the game industry...which he has no respect FOR right now, judging from these comments.

@thereapersson: That's his entire comment history ( http://www.n4g.com/up/59916... ). No wonder he has 83 ignores.

Sad thing is, he isn't the only one spamming this article (look below), though I'm not that surprised that it's brought them out.

@negative_0: You know, I actually wonder if Nai has actually PLAYED a Valve game (bought or pirated). Probably not. Which brings a entirely NEW set of circumstances into his posts!

[thereapersson]

Look at every single one of NaiNaiNai's posts in this article. Complete, nonsensical ramblings; every one of them, spamming up the place. Sh1t belongs in the open zone, in reality.

[negative_0]

@NaiNaiNai

I just can't believe someone like you actually plays games. I honestly find it sad how casual gamers such as yourself pollutes the vary nature of what gaming, and the very discussion of it, should be. Poor things? All I can say is poor you. (shakes head in saddened disappointment)

Edit:
Looks like my attempt at helping failed. Sigh. Multiple accounts? Honestly, I don't really sign on very often or at all. (I suppose you already looked into that) I mostly like reading the comments and discussions really. Anyways, what I am most saddened by is the general lack of thought taken by posting such comments. Of what benefit or purpose does it serve to completely mock another system of which you yourself own. I favor the PS3 for my own personal reasons, but that doesn't mean I downplay the 360. Simply put, why not look at the glass half full while commenting. Walk a mile in another mans shoes perhaps? Thats it I guess.

[ultimolu]

...Why are you in the Gamerzone?

[Natsu X FairyTail]

more games on xbox360

[kookro]

And?

It doesn't mean they are all better... besides i think most of the anger that the ps3 owners are expressing is towards the fact that Gabe Newell said that Valve would not even attempt to crate another game for the PS3, not that the PS3 has less games.

[N4G king]

and PC

;)

[Natsu X FairyTail]

yep. not on ps3.

[chasegamez2]

the source engine sucks anyway
just as bad as the unreal engine

i really don't care
ill just download and play all there games for free
on my 360 yeahhhhhhhhh

[N4G king]

LOL
i dont care
i still can play it on my pc using my PS3 controler

HAHAHAHAHA

and get all the DLC'S for free

AHAHAHAHAHA

and play online

for free

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH

[Tr10wn]

Still you are not playing it on PS3 and why would you play valve game with PS3 controller on the PC it doesn't make any sense unless you suck at shooters and beside that the PS3 controller doesn't have original pattern on PC game the xbox 360does not mentioning that the controller suck so you fail and MS win.

[Stryfeno2]

http://www.qis.net/~jschmit...

[WaitStation 3]

A ps3 controller for a shooter on PC? That's the funniest ish I've ever heard.

[Saaking]

Good cause you really need them. PS3 has dozens of developers and innumerable amount of exclusives, many with GOTY capability. The 360 has nothing. Splinter Cell, Alan Wake, and Mass Effect 2 are all multiplat. Tell, what are you looking forward to? An expansion? A wannabe GT? LMAO. The stupidity of you bots amazes me.

[blizzard_cool]

It's not in their interest cause they're getting a positive response from the Xbox & PC community (lost of $$$).
If that goes bad in the near future (which won't, to bad) they'll try to earn a couple of extra bucks on the PS3.
Sad, I would like to try L4D on my PS3...

[hakis86]

I'm gonna have to make this simple:
Gabe Newell is a dumbass.
(maybe he can decode that sentence?)

[Pizzagaki]

Gabe can program, what can you do besides ranting on the internet?

[Godmars290]

Buy or not buy his game?

[hakis86]

I don't care about Gabe, ok? I don't understand why people keep posting "news" about him NOT being able to program for the PS3. We know that by now.
So he can't program for the PS3. Fine. Let's move on! Let him program for the platforms he wants to :-)

Tons of other developers can program for the PS3 and make great games anyway :-)

[usern4g]

> Buy or not buy his game?

Actually, if you only own a PS3, Gabe already made that decision.

So, it's clear, just as pizza says, that Gabe can code, and what is the point of this nonsense?

Clearly that hakis86 belongs in the OpenZone -> with such worthless fanboy drivel. Why on earth are you defending it?

[shadowboricua]

Recent Valve games are not even that great anyway, technologically inferior, old engine, ugly... etc!

[WaitStation 3]

You are delusional. Wake up papi and get a 360.

[ico92]

but they dont respect the ps3 community i mean look at the orange box ps3 version i refuse to buy that game ,the guy ported a game from the 360 to the ps3 any developer by now knows that you cant port from the 360 because the ps3's architecture is just alot diffrent to that of the 360's, he was the guy that made comments like "the ps3 is a disaster and sony should just start over" and then you wonder why the ps3 community have little respect for him.

[usern4g]

> but they dont respect the ps3 community

Are you KIDDING? They are a BUSINESS. Developing games for the PS3 is *MORE* expensive than other platforms -- just to get _EQUAL_ performance.

This has zero to do with your fictional child-frat-party-ps3-community . And *everything* to do with the facts on the ground for the current game industry:

A) PS3 in far last place for install base.
B) PS3 has extra development costs that do not add value to the end product.
C) PS3 has the lowest attach rate.
D) PS3 lags the Xbox 360 w/r/t development environment, online infrastructure and features.

Take those realities together, and the MARKETPLACE made Valve's decision, not some nonsense about "respecting the ps3 communitiy".

Looking for someone to "blame"? Call Sony.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Damn so many developers definitely speaking about how they dislike the ps3. That's not good.

[Jdoki]

Lol!

Care to name them?

I'm sure we can come up with a comparable list of devs/publishers who have spoken out about the 360 recently.

Why try and make this a PS3 bashing thread? Valve are a developer with a PC heritage so they develop for the PC and a console with a very PC architecture. Plus they are run by an ex-MS employee who still has close ties to the company. It's their perogative to dev for whatever platforms they want.

[The Wood]

cause a 9 month gap for a quality title would definitely happen on the console that everybody loathes....oh....wait. The ps3 has exclusives and new exclusives coming at a more consistent rate and at a higher quality. Its valves prerogative as i play all their games on pc anyway so its no loss to me. FPs's just play better with mouse n keyboard and the 360 cant support that and online is free so its no loss at all for me personally.

[Nihilism]

replacement title:

"valve never cared about ps3 so i don't know what all the ps3 fanboys are crying about- EA made the crappy port"

[MajestieBeast]

l4d=css zombie mod. Nainainai why arent you banned to the open zone unbelievable.

[duarteq]

I think there are a lot of game companies other than valve and making good games for PS3 , so why bother with a typical catch click new...

The only game that i care was Half Life...

[ico92]

oh but what about the 360 fanboys that said metal gear sucks, FF is for losers, DOA pwns tekken, DMC is for *ueers , but then ,"oh man i cant wait for ff,dmc,and tekken sweet." oh and the excitement that every 360 fanboys went through when hideo kojima walked on the stage of the ms e3 confrence you are very hypocritical

[Pizzagaki]

Not really, because Kojima announced that the next metal gear is going to be an action game, instead of a movie.
Thats what excited us the most.

Oh, and ofcourse the sweet taste of sour ps3 fans.

[LeShin]

You'd do well to hold your tongue until you actually see REAL in-game footage of Metal Gear Rising, because you'll look like an idiot if MGS4 turns out to look better. a lot of people are going to remember that comment that you just wrote, me included. Also, isn't it pretty stupid of you to write that last thing knowing full well the game is coming out on BOTH platforms?

lol

[The Wood]

360 are the most hypocriticle bunch of guys out here. Constantly harping on about their games when 92% of its games are multiplats.....Are well. Some like yourself still cant recognise the concept of 'mee too' Just look at the 09 lineup for the 360...thats all i have to say. It has great games and a great online service BUT its fanboys, NOT FANS, are dumb and they can never pay dues. Im calling it the 'Greenburg effect'

[mastiffchild]

Christ! All this has come about because Gabe made a few daft comments abut a system he never had any intention of working on!

Valve didn't even make the port of OB to PS3 anyway and I find it odd that just because a dev hasn't got the resources or desire to make games on PS3 we end up with fanboy comments.

And Pizza-saying MGS4 is a movie is both stupid and untrue. Yes it was even more cutscene heavy than usual but Koj was tying up the most convoluted story in gaming history-and did it wonderfully. I must have missed/imagined all the gaming I actually did with MGS4 as, imo, it's by far the best game I've had the pleasure to play this generation. What you said is as silly as when people who don't like it call Halo out for it's story(or lack of)or for looking like a game made of Tonka toys and acion figures-just because you don't get a game doesn't mean the millions that do are automatically wrong, does it? You'll find, also, that 99% of the people who level those comments haven't even played the games.

Gabe was needlessly OTT in slamming the PS3 and subsequent games on the platform made nonsense of much of what he said, no? Personally I just don't see why a guy with his talent felt the need to mouth off on a subject with zero relevance to him or his company.If Valve were prepared to make PS3 games then fair enough but to moan without trying something put him at a position of relative ignorance and I struggle to find a reasonable reason for him ever saying anything on the subject myself. We'd definitely have been better off if he hadn't bothered and, imo, so would he.

And Nai Nai Nai-what's your damage here? You don't sound very even minded yourself and your choice of words isn't fitting for this zone, is it? Plus if you wish to complain about multiple accounts(why would anyone bother? I know some have but I don't get it at all)you're going about it the wrong way fella. No need to be so bitter or to wind people up, is there?

[pure pwnage24]

looks like someone should be taking note from Guerrilla Games and Naughty dog

[NaiNaiNai]

yep thats why l4d alone sold more then killzone 2 and uncharted combined. XD

I SMELL FAIL ON YOUR PART.

[Tr10wn]

ownd i guest lol

[only on playstaychun]

Actually Uncharted alone outsold L4D, and KZ2 will eventually outsell both games.

Stop being a stupid fanboy...

Double owned.

[jeseth]

And as usual, since they have no games to play right now, they just troll N4G all day with blind fanboy diarrhea of the mouth. Then, of course, they continue on with sales numbers of ancient games form old devs (Valve) that haven't come up with anything new in forever.

I normally ignore these kids, but today Mart, Nai, Jason, and Dolls are more pathetic than usual.

[Pandamobile]

Taking notes from far less successful developers?

Do you have any idea how many games Valve has shipped? Any idea at all?

(I'll give you a hint. It's around 50 million.)

That's not bad for an independent developer, ain't it?

[Saaking]

Again what do sales have to do with YOU enjoying the game? Tell me I really wanna know. Halo sold 10 million and i don't like it that much. Mass Effect only sold 2 million and I'll tell you, it's a WHOLE lot better than Halo can ever hope to be.

[pure pwnage24]

they have to take note because there lazy developers that don't want to learn new hardware

[Nelson M]

You Fat Barney Gumball Looking Freak

[-MoOkS-]

LOL

I love how valve is suddenly a bad developer since they wont touch the ps3.

FACT - Valve is one of the best in the industry and I'd go as far to say they are better than any sony dev studio.

[Tr10wn]

True and Half Life is the prove Valve just pwnd gaming industry.

[only on playstaychun]

If you knew anything about valve, they are only successful as PC Developers, and hate it or not Polyphony Digital are the best developer in the industry (critical success and sales wise)...

[Tr10wn]

Erm GT series was the first car simulation for sure will be a top seller... now i want to see the real charts GT5 vs Forza 3 i hope both sell well.

[Saaking]

When they start making games that looks as good as PS3 exclusives then you can talk. PS3 devs are amongst the best developers around and you bots know that.

[Enate]

Actually I never liked valve, I don't hate them, they just never made anything I care about. For a lot of PC guys they still cling on to them making half life but I can't stand FPS games so they haven't done anything for me. As far as I'm concerned on my list they don't even exist. Its not that they are a bad developer they just don't make s*** that I like plain an simple.

[Nelson M]

Than a Chinese Phone Directory

[borgome]

Must be just like looking in a mirror for all the obese americans on this website.

[kraze07]

I mainly game on the PS3, but I'm not butt hurt over this. I'll just keep playing Valve games on PC.

[Malebaria]

Your loss Valve.You´ll regret this decision in the future though.

[Pandamobile]

No they won't. Valve don't even like developing for the 360. Why bother with the PS3?

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

This fat f**k needs to develop this thing called weight loss.

[waitandsee]

I know it hurts. There, there. Hence the fall into fat insults (as gabe count his money lol). Valve was probably going to make more PS3 games until you lot open your mouth. They probably did it to p*ss you fan nutsoff. Probably let EA produce the orange box just to get at you.

we are only missing out on one of the greastest franchises. No biggie. Who knows, a company might offer to make a (gimped) ported version of HL:E3 for us. There might at the end of the tunnel.

Or you can get the PC version, which is always your fallback argument, like I will havr to use now. Thank you fanboys

Yes, I have PS3 and hate when you act like you do not care.

[MarkyUK]

That guy's just a lazy, fat tosser, with a bad attitude. The problem being, that if Gabe had a PS3 dev kit, he would have less room for his mountain of pies.

Mind you, I reckon that he did have a dev kit, but broke it by trying to cook up a couple of burgers on it.

However, I'll fly to the moon on a cream egg if Valve don't release more games for the PS3.

[news4noobs]

who is someone in gaming, cares about the POS3. only a hand full of NOOBS do and they are mostly found on this site.

You're welcome!

[Saaking]

What, mommy said no? I know you can't afford it, but it's no reason to bash it. PS3 got a lot more games this year, has some of the best developers, and delivers top-notch quality.

[Ninver]

Too many delusional kids with internet privileges now a days. All i'm hearing is lalalala LMAO.

[NaiNaiNai]

Must suck being in last place with the POS3 and no games. You poor things, you haven't even gotten a AAA title yet have you.

name one, Because the way I see it, you droids haven't supported a single so called AAA title. now have you. if you won't even buy the "AMAZING" games on the system there not AAA there nothing, because no one wants to buy them.

Im still waiting.

[OmarJA]

Poor little NaiNaiNai is confused...

[N4G king]

no AAA on the ps3 ?

what have you been smoking ??

[Tr10wn]

Well as long as i can remember the only PS3 AAA is MSG4 which is basically a movie not a game but since you guys call Killzone 2 a Triple A well ok then you win...

[Saaking]

Ohh, yes it sucks to be in 3rd because it affects me so deeply. I enjoyed the Xbox and GC even though they weren't #1. Nai, you do know that the Wii is number one so perhaps you should go over to the wii instead of looking stupid bragging about 2nd place.

[Admiral_Benson]

How is this news?

We all know Gabe is never going to do anything for the PS3.

For starters he's ex-Microsoft, clearly doesn't want to or never has wanted to do anything for the PS3 and the only games of his (Orange Box) that has made it to the PS3 was outsourced to somebody else to be ported.

I think he's made it pretty clear how he stands on the whole situation, he doesn't want to know.

Valve are talented devs, Half life and Half life 2 were classics and TF2 and Portal were a blast to play but they've been around on PC for years now, as has the Source engine. The only big hitter Valve are dealing with these days on the consoles is L4D which is, again, available on PC.

Unless Valve decide to revamp/renew their ageing game engine and make a console exclusive along the lines of another Half Life game or something similar (and we all know which console they would go with if they did) then IMO it's not a massive loss that Valve aren't messing with PS3.

Until they do then just let Jabba the Newell do what he wants, it's the same old story otherwise.

[Pandamobile]

It's not that he doesn't like Sony, he doesn't like the PS3.

And Valve? Console exclusive? Over my dead body. Valve would NEVER make a console exclusive. That's like Sony making a 360 exclusive. It's not going to happen.

[mirroredderorrim]

I prefer Newell the Hutt, but I see your point.

EA did the port of OB, and that was when hardly anyone gave two sh!ts about the PS3, in terms of developing for it.

To be honest, I have not played OB in a long time, because it was a buggy POS, while the games themselves are awesome.

[waitandsee]

It saves me from buy more gimpware, I suppose. Now that I have finished ifanmous, I will put my pS3 underder the dust cover until Uncahrted 2 comes out.

Edit: @ below. I will challenge you on that. PM me and and I will give you a PSN account I made just for you. No..can't take the challenge. Thought not. LOL

[OmarJA]

Poor bot pretending to own a PS3...

[PStu'rd]

Poor sfags, denial is all they have left :(

[jeseth]

Then by that logic, his 360 has been under a dust cover since last Fall !!!!

LOL.

[ToeKneeHaze]

left 4 dead sucked

I returned it after owning it for 1 week

[Pandamobile]

Then don't buy the dumbed down 360 version.

[WaitStation 3]

I don't think that was a fair comment. Both versions are the same. Only difference is in the controls.

And plz, spare me the further pc elitist comments. I know all the facts I used to be like you.

[clintos59]

Come see me because all i have to say is the ps3 is doing just fine without left 4 dead or any other title these guys are not making for the ps3. Porky pig needs to just stfu & never talk about the ps3 because with all the awesome first & second party support sony has, this hippo's games are nuttin major to whine over.

Go back & make a real series of, "Family Guy" you look just like the dad u fat papa smurf lover.

[LONEWOLF231]

seriously dude there is no need for insults. You dont see half of the 360 community Cursing Naughty Dog or Guerrilla games for not supporting the 360. If the man says no well then its no plain and simple.

[news4noobs]

would be to develop exlusively for the POS3. that way Gaben wouldn't make any money and couldn't afford food anymore.

[OmarJA]

You think you funny little kid?

Why don't you go do what you do best:

Make another accounts & keep praying for a decent exclusive on the 3FixMe.

[PStu'rd]

Owsome wowsome!! This means Episode 3 wont be limited by low budget hardware. Let the best FPS of all time continue..........

Chear up, Sfags. You still have GG *smug*! They may end up as the sole reason for the by now imminent Sony Corp. financial collapse but at least they made the only below mediocre FPS on the market that has a lens flare effect:o

bow: GG: bow

Years of the Triple.............continue

[Demon5500]

One man's opinion echo's a whole industry's silence?

[DelbertGrady]

Can't really blame them. The potential ROI is much bigger on the Wii and the 360. Meaning it's cheaper to develop for those platforms and they have better software sales.

[jeseth]

You are the only 360 fan that has given a rational explanation, and in one short and effective sentence.

Normally I don't agree with you on topics, but, bubbles to you sir!

[TABSF]

why do people use personal attacks because he not developing for a failing platform.

Gabe Newell is a legend in the gaming industry and every series bar one has been 10 out of 10 for me.

Steam is amazing and valve was one of the first if not the first.

the only reason they release games on consoles is for extra cash,
why would you buy any valve game on 360 or ps3, that is like saying i like playing a sh!tty version for twice the price and getting no mods or free dlc.

PC is the best platform, i know it, valve knew it and so do the gaming community.

[Zephyrus_808]

I was quite annoyed to hear this, seeing as I've heard that Valve make good games.

Then I see what this guy looks like, and I'm just thinking - 'He's there boss!? You know what, I'm not that bothered. Let him have his Xbox 360.'

[xg-ei8ht]

sunnygrg

I wouldn't call L4D a great game, it's a good game, worth playing once.

Hit detection is awful.
Collision detection is no existent.
Does not feel like your shooting bullets, more like bubbles.

I do like the way zombies run at you etc, but once you've played the first level, you've played it all.

walk along, shoot zombies,boomber, massive amount of zombies attack.

Rinse and repeat.

I like a game which throws in different scenarios.

Climb,Shoot,Run,Fist Fight,Hide,Ride the waves,Explosions.

Uncharted is possibly the greatest game ever made action wise.

[wxer]

sooner or later
they'll do somthing on the PS3

[clintos59]

Why post sh*t we already know this whale hates the ps3 & sony. Like i said until u can show me any success these guys have done for any playstation product, these guys can suck on my left nuttsack.

[Pandamobile]

Someone's jealous.

[caRnAGEconcept]

all these comments and nobody except a few of you are actually attempting to make any valid points. Allow me.

First off, anybody who played the orange box on both consoles (I know some of you have) would have noticed that the ps3 version missed the mark by quite a bit. The 360 version was spectacular and while the graphics may not have been completely and fully the "latest uber d00ber h0tn3ss!!" it made up for with the story presentation and art direction.

Too many people these days seem to completely write off gameplay unless the graphics make their retinas seize and their sphincters pucker... but if somebody is honestly going to tell me about lack of gameplay and/or engaging mechanics in either halflife 1 or 2, i suggest you seriously re-evaluate what constitutes a *good game*.

I am upset with valvE however for not doing all they can for the ps3 community.. Doesn't seem very fair; sure the system is hard to develop for (not like i know personally, but from what i read, it's a pain) but that doesn't mean you just give up. Shame on valve for not doing all they can.

In retrospect, as well as in closing... I can only sit and wait for the day that valve drops the first hint of half-life 3.. Any of you worth your own opinion's weight should be hard pressed to argue that the (inevitable, albeit not even announced) HL 3 will likely do the same thing for gaming as it's predecessors.

[ShabzS]

*claps* and bubbles for you man ... totally agree

[devilhunterx]

valve ever bothered with PS3? omg! when did that happen????

they have yet to make a single game for the PS3 as yet.

[0pt1cK1ll3r]

I prefer my valve games on PC.

[timestoby]

let them stick to the easy stuff they know. if the ps3 is to much man power for them to handle, then by all means dont work on it lol

if im going to play a pc game then id play it on a pc,the way that game was ment to be seen etc. why would i want some lower res game like wot the rrodbox gets.

[rmedtx888]

As usual, every time that fatso opens his mouth crap comes out of it.

[dagreylion]

They are too lazy to try to learn the PS3 hardware, and too fat to get his fingers around it.

[badbond1]

to go back and forth with these botty boy azzholes that don't own a ps3 - period. When Uncharted 2 hits, what are they gonna do? Play the re-hashed Halo game that keeps the 360 on life support! Lol! Pretty pathetic that microsoft can't go hard and make new games or even take it to the next level.

But I'm gonna keep playing my PS triple and get the best graphics, gameplay and more. You botty boys are jealous because you dvd-9 is inferior, you pay for a lagging online system that is lacking in quality, and you can't watch 1080p hi-def movies! Eat a di**!

Sales don't mean jack to me, I buy the games and I either enjoy em' or not. And let me tell you, no botty boy will ever experience the joy in playing Killzone 2, MLB 09', InFamous, LBP, MGS4, R&C, and Uncharted like I have. I'm still waiting for the games Microsoft. Regardless of sales in each title I mentioned, everyone is quality and is a classic to own!

If you botty boys aren't making commission, you are just sucking MicroSOFTs limp c*c*! I'll be waiting on your inferior racing game soon. Can't wait for GT5 to shove it up your azz with no vaseline.

When GOD of War III hits, along with a price break, the 360 will plummet into oblivion!

[ssipmraw]

lol and we need more first person shooters why? ive played through half life 2 and it was extremely overated even on a pc. dumb bots will buy anything

[Javier19]

I swear, Everyone of you sad pathetic little boys who immediately go to "oooh hes a fatty blah blah blah" need to grow up, and you probably have some serious insecurities of your own.

[ArcticWolfUK]

agreed
Fat People Need Love Too

[NotSoSilentBob]

What was the last game that was actually worth wanting on the Ps3? Ohh wait that's right they are still using the source engine from 8+ years ago with a few minor tweaks. Tell them to program some new games that actually look decent and then maybe the ps3 fans will want them.

[housegroove76]

would gabe just hurry up and die from a twinkie induced heart attack? Everytime i see that fat a$$ I want to throw my chair through the monitor

[Crystallis]

Who the hell cares. All I need is my PS3 exclusives.

[Veneno]

But they are geniuses on the PC. If they were to dev only on a console, they wouldn't be held in nearly as high esteem as they are now. Half-Life, conter-strike, and Left 4 dead just don't work as well on an Xbox, PS3 owners really aren't missing out on anything, unless they don't game on their PC's

Sorry bots, but the PC gamers know what I'm talking about. Valve games on the PC are 10 levels above anything they do on a console and that's real!

[Djinn]

So, some PC developer doesn't care about the PS3? I'm supposed to give a damn? That just means a couple less FPSs. WIN!! I wouldn't buy crap like left 4 dead, anyway.

[Pandamobile]

I love how Kotaku left out Gabe's apology to the PS3 community.

He said that PS3 Orange Box was a disaster and that he doesn't want anyone to have to go through that again.

BY THE WAY.

Valve did not even make the PS3 Orange Box. EA UK did. So if any of you want to blame someone for the PS3 version of OB, it's EA UK.

Valve are PC centric developers. They only port their games to the 360 because it's quick and easy. Making a PS3 version is like making a completely different game and Valve doesn't have the man power or resources to do this.

Grow up PS3 guys.

[UNCLEFESTER]

I guess Id and Crytek need to grow up too according to you also they don't seem to have a problem with ps3 and they are big PC developers and saying Valve doesn't have resources wake up if they didn't have any why do they have Steam if they have no resources. Any advancement in the gaming industry was made by people taking chances not being lazy and just sitting back and counting all their profits

[Tehdaza]

Crytek and iD are like 3 times the size of Valve...

Valve's also got a number of projects currently in the works. They don't have the resources to experiment with PS3 development.

Steam, HL2:Ep 3, Portal 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 2, etc.

For 150 people, that's a hefty work load.

[Persistantthug]

Valve has more employees than ID.

According to Wiki, posted on Valves youtube page, Valve claimed to have 190 employees at the end of 2008.

ID on the other hand claims to have 105.

[UNCLEFESTER]

Valve has the right to not develop for ps3 but ignoring 24 million
ps3 owners and being ignorant about it. I guess that Gabe must think us ps3 owners pay in monopoly money because any intelligent businessman telling that many potential customers that he hates them is really dumb.Some of his own employees must be wondering if he's lost his mind or something.But thats his loss

[Tehdaza]

No. Again, Valve are PC developers. They don't care for the PS3 or 360.

They'd much rather put their time and effort in to the 20 million Steam users.

[Tr10wn]

Love how fanboys defend their self by calling Gabe a fat im sure more than 70% of you guys are fat too still being fat doesn't make an obstacle to being a good developer Portal, L4D, TF is the prove and not to mention Counter Strike and Half Life which are one of the best shooters ever so think twice before blame a Gabe for not develop in the PS3 that's probably Sony fault bad for you guys.

[Shendow]

Didn't Vale say once it was to hard to developer on the PS3? But Sony has said if any developers new help they would, seems they are just to lazy an one thing you don't get, more money means more business.

Now for people making fun of him being fat an all, well that just kind of go's with the lazy part but who care, if they don't make much off of L4D2 then I think they might start thinking about making PS3 games.

360 is good with alot of its FPS games and PS3 is good around, a PS3 is pretty much a high power laptop, an if the 360 happens to start losing to PS3.

Well they are going to have to change who they make games for and that is why it be better to work with both and be getting double of money, I wouldn't play L4D on PS3 or 360 as well as a PC, but that is just because the game lacks at being really.

"I'm Have Fallen And I Can't Get Up!!!"

[Tr10wn]

Trust me L4D2 wont be a let down if the 1st one sold around 4/5mil? idk this will see the same or more and the thing with valve is about money and the PS3 doesn't have much that's why they dont want to develop

[Shendow]

Money? Sony has alot of that (Maybe even more then Microsoft with the way they are going with Vista and all) Users? theirs like over 1 mill on PS Home that keep coming back and that isn't counting how many just play PS3.

So what do you mean don't have much?

[Gue1]

How many times this have said? Bots really like to hear the same things over and over again. It is like they don't have anything more to say about the PS3 so they go and find something old and obvious.

This is what jealous people do anyway. It's in their nature... =D

[ElementX]

So much hatred toward Valve!!!! And making fun of a fat guy? Sure he's fat, but everyone doesn't have to say that. There are plenty of fat people walking around.

BTW, everytime MS gets an exclusive, PS3 fanboys say "Well, I can just play that in higher resolutions on my PC". So then play Valve games on your PC and quit complaining!

@28
Orange Box is the best compilation of any game this generation. Half Life 2 won more awards than most games will ever see.

[bigjclassic]

L4D is average and Orange box was decent.

[Tehdaza]

LOL.

The Orange Box? It's 5 AAA games for the price of one. How is that "decent"?

There's a reason why it's got one of the highest ratings of any game out there.

[UNCLEFESTER]

No kidding if I owned a 360 I'd be pissed at L4D it looks like they didn't use any of the 360's abilities

[Tehdaza]

What abilities? L4D looks like crap on 360 compared to PC (like every other game)

[leetugz]

valve and activision should team up, get all the tossers under one roof!!!

[solidosito]

i have pc, xbox and ps3 yes they are really good, people of this kind just make me sick how old is this big fat fanboy have??? this kind of people are in charge of console fanboy wars

poor big fat fanboy asshole.

[shad0w70]

Oh well his loss.

[Bengoshi-San]

If they don't want to develop for the PS3, that's their decision.

From a business standpoint, that's a very stupid decision, but their decision nonetheless.

The PC Market is saturdated with pirates, and the 360 market also is becoming saturated with pirates.

I see Valve running to the Ps3 in 2 years when they realize that they cannot continue to live off of pc and 360 sales.

[Pandamobile]

Are you retarded?

Having a game on Steam cuts down its piracy by like 99%.

Valve has their own platform. STEAM. PERHAPS YOU'VE HEARD OF IT.

For them developing a PS3 title is like Insomniac or Guerilla making a 360 game.

VALVE IS PC. DO YOU GET IT? THEY DON'T LIKE CONSOLES. THEY'VE SAID THAT NUMEROUS TIMES. THE ONLY REASON THEY MAKE 360 GAMES IS BECAUSE 98% OF THE CODING IS THE SAME.

Sorry for caps but I'm yelling at you.

[usern4g]

The Xbox 360 attach rate dwarfs the PS3.

Even with the pirates.

Reality trumps your un-reality, sorry.

[Gun_Senshi]

gabe hates all consoles, he hates x360 too and he said it himself he only ports to x360 because its like PC and easy money.

why do you think L4D on X360 is way gimped version compared to pc

[WaitStation 3]

"why do you think L4D on X360 is way gimped version compared to pc"

You're stepping on toes here so when you say "gimped version" you mean...? Please explain.

[ipe]

l4d sold 2.5 mil and more than 50% of that is from steam sales on pc.
Uncharted+kz2 sold over 4.5 mil.so u fail.

and ur argument is still no games on ps3???

god, u re not worth to talk with.

[Pandamobile]

Left 4 Dead sold like 5 million on PC and 3 million on 360.

Your argument is invalid.

[psiom]

some insecure PS3 fans getting defensive when they don't need to be.

some insecure 360 fans trying to taunt PS3 fans because it makes them feel better.

just a whole lot of fanboys making noise about nothing really.

Valve has never been, and probably never will be, a tipping point in the so called console war. Talk it up all you want based on their PC success (namely HL, CS), but at the end of the day valve is a small player in console land.

[prejur]

meh

Play Valve games on PC. The dumbing down on the PC version of L4D to match the console interface has completely ruined the game in my eyes.

PC IS the only place to get the proper version of TF2.

I wish Valve would stay PC only. I'm sick of the console dumbing down.

As much as the PS3 community is mad at Valve, the PC community is furious with them.

[Guitardr85]

Ehh...Most Valve games suck now anyway! L4D was probably one of the worst games I have PLAYED personally on the PC. Funny thing is...I didn't even pay for it, I played it on a friends PC and still didn't like it!!!

[loo]

This will put things in perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[FF7numbaone]

but they have so much in common. Their both big and in black.

[maverick1191]

who cares the games they make always come out on PC so...

[maverick1191]

who cares like what jason 360 said (the new PP) looks like you ps3 owners wont have portal, counter strike, half life and L4D when you can get them on PC and they will be much better if you have a ps3 the odds are you will have PC capable of running these games dont be so worried when all valves games go onto PC and run better on PC

and to say they are one of the best developers lmao mart thats BS they are incredibly lazy only making games for PC and 360 if they are so called talented they why dont they make games for the wii and ps3 like people have said valve are missing out on the 23 million ps3 fans and millions of wii fans its there lose but if there was a laziest dev award they would win it every year

[GameHero]

ANYWAY!

[Pandamobile]

You wouldn't know a good game if it bit you on the ass.

[CryWolf]

It doesn't matter what valve's boss say ps3 have better games on the way next year that is way better then any of valve's games can even compare too, so valve stick with your PC market.

[II Necroplasm II]

wow I'm on page 4!?!

[free2game365]

Lots of fanboy meltdowns in this comments section.

[II Necroplasm II]

Yeah they need some morphine or something.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

HalfLife was the only good game that these fat obese devs ever made and they only love the 360's hardware because it's a piece of cake to use.

The PS3's Cell based architecture is NEW and it'll take EFFORT and some PATIENCE and TIME to get use to.

Not wanting to work on the PS3 proves these devs love to get spoonfed with EASY and UNCHALLENGING hardware which is the 360.

All respect for Valve - GONE!!

[unknownhero1123]

but where's Episode 3 GoshDarnIt!

[CryWolf]

I never really care for Left 4 Dead on PS3 anyway.

[PimplePopperMD]

Good. Valve is a terrible developer. Not to mention lazy but they are extremely lazy. Plus Newell is fat and fat people take up too much volume.

[free3sixty]

Half Life 3 PC/360 exclusiv and its over for the POS3!

[DonCorneo]

then that would be a disappointment because that means it will have sh!tty graphics

[Veneno]

If valve did HL3 on Xbreaks 3FixMe, then they have made no progress.

[TheLaughingMan]

All mature people I know and people that have been playing games for a good while don't give a sh!t about valve or Gabe's fat ass. I've said it once and I'll say it again. You don't believe me do your research. He doesn't do anything for PS because his sh!tty ass engine can't run on the PS3 or the cell-processors. Just like 17 and 19 said. They're just laying,stupid, and fat. Nor do we even care for any of his games. Left 4 Dead sucks and you know it. The graphics were crappy and the gameplay was only so so. Even 360 fans admit this. Another "epic" game for a "epic fail".

[inFAMOUS_KRATOS]

they know the playstation community dont give #$$ rat about his generic games, lol he thinkin so gonna beg him. get da fk outta here first party ftw.

[Razzy]

F*ck Valve

[inFAMOUS_KRATOS]

you ole mickey d number 1 customer A$$

you ole xbot

you ole bill gate slept with yo sister lookin as

[SurgicalMenace]

Okay we all know that Valve will not develop for the PS3, so why is it still being commented on? To be fair it is his right not to develop on the system given that it is his company, but it is also true that as a PS3 owner there are plenty of development houses not willing to develop for the Xbox 360 also. People this is where exclusives come from developers deciding that they only want to program for one system.

So if there was an article stating that Naughty Dog will not develop for the Xbox 360 would that make 360 owners irate as well. The fact is both systems have great developers on each side and that means if you only own one of the systems you are going to miss out on some of those games. What is the sense in arguing about something that you have all the power of combating by purchasing all of the systems.

[Gamer1111]

good thing i own both systems... half-life ran better on the 360 anyways...oo well i don't care...seem ps3 fans dont care either lol this is funny

[redorb1790]

I'm a PC gamer so I don't mind what the guy saids. I have a PS3 and used to have a xbox 360 but after sending it off five times I just said cluck it.

[fossilfern]

same im a PC gamer with a PS3, had a 360 kept getting issues with it so i sold it and bought a PS3 haven't looked back since

[Light Yagami]

LOL @ the PS3 fanboys whining....again.

[Veneno]

Makes another crappy comment......again.

[fossilfern]

Hes a total nob he cant bother his fat ass working that extra bit more on the PS3 and no matter what he says they are missing out on a considerable amount of money

[shysun]

Rolls eyes! What new?

[Ldubbz]

People tend to get mad at Gabe Newell and Valve for not wanting to bother with the PS3, and take it as a big F-U to Sony. When actually, its quite the opposite.

We all know Sony's infamous statement that they purposefully made the PS3 a difficult machine. Kuturagi pretty much insisted on it during development with the choices he made.

So Valve, who is really a PC game maker anyhow, looked at it and said the hell with that. I totally understand and completely agree with Valve. Why go out of your way to learn how to program a platform that the manufacturer built with no concern as to how it would affect the actual people making the games? Especially when its much easier to make games on the competing system, and it has a bigger install base to boot, especially in the markets where Valve does best, namely the US and the UK.

And for those of you who think the 360 is just a PC that you simply port code over to, its not that simple either. The 360, just like the PS3, is a PowerPC based system, not Intel. But it was built from the ground up to be very adaptable and easy to program for.

If you wanna be mad at anyone, it sure as hell isnt Valve.

[spooky205]

however from a business point of view gabe is an idiot. attach rate of the ps3 to 360 is just about the same. there are legions of fanboys this console era that will blindly buy any game out there to support "their console". from a business point of view, i would develop for the ps3 to make more money. hell i dont even have to work, naughty dog gives away their code to program on the ps3. Naughty dog is essentially giving away half of the work it takes to make a game. Thats money waiting to be picked up but alas gabe is too lazy to even do that. I wonder how much longer he is gonna get away with milking his source engine.

[Ldubbz]

Even if the attach rates are the same, which they arent, the 360 still has a bigger install base. But there are more numbers to that as well.

I would be willing to bet that like myself, and many others I know, if you own a PS3, there's a good chance you own a 360 too. That Im sure also factors in as well.

Also, Valve uses their own Source engine, which unlike many people here believe, has been completely overhauled through the years. L4D is not gonna set the world on fire with its visuals (nor was it meant to), but they're definitely good enough. And Half Life Episode 2 looks pretty damn good if u ask me.

I really dont see Valve of all people using another engine. Thats like if Epic used another engine rather than Unreal. And as far as making money goes, with the great sales of L4D, not to mention The Orange Box, and of course Steam, I really dont think Valve is hurting.

Lets be realistic; if they had released L4D on the PS3, would that of maybe meant 500k more sales at the most? I dont think its worth it to them, and they obviously dont wish to cater to Sony's brand of programming just for a few extra sales.

To me thats having integrity.

[WaitStation 3]

I actually applaud Valve for doing that. That way they can focus on more important things like story & character development, etc. And finally give us the much-awaited Half Life 2:Ep 3 or maybe even Half Life 3.

With the economy the way it is, rising development costs, and more games to compete with... it just doesn't make sense developing for a platform that they probably will not see any returns from. A waste of time and money, I say.

[Ron Zook]

his games are overrated anyway and if i really have to play one i have a computer for that.

[Marty8370]

My money won't line your fat arse pocket thats for sure.

[ChickeyCantor]

LOL at people calling him lazy.
Perhaps the PS3 just doesn't fit with their business plan.

So what PS3 fans, hating him only shows you want their products.

edit: I have the feeling journalist are tweaking the way it was said, but whatever.

[felidae]

that's really sad!

[spooky205]

there is money to be made on the ps3 but he wont put forth the time and effort. So instead he milks his outdated source engine for all its worth. what is gonna happen in a few years? Valve has the developers to make the best games out there but boss gabe is clearly holding them back as a company out of sheer sloth. If gabe really had any business sense (while being a lazy ass at the same time) he would take naughty dogs engine (which naughty dog shares with other developers) and produce a quality game that all the fanboys and gamers alike will eat up. fanboys will buy it blindly on the first day without even reading a review. gamers will be a little more careful but when has valve released a god aweful game? thus he makes more money which goes to his eating habit while making his company grow and be more profitable.

[Ron Zook]

what a giant paragraph of garbage! if it made fiancial sense you can bet your money that he would be producing titles for the ps3 at a much higher rate. since it takes so much more labor time to work on the ps3 it doesnt make sense so hes not bothering with it.

[Memo-Xen x3100]

However, games by Valve are quite good on 360 and why f with a good thing?

[Sc0pe92]

no one needs his crappy games anyways

[ASSASSYN 36o]

If you sony kids don't care...then why are you posting so much about it?

[trancefreak]

Ive been playing on steam or valve games before this current gen of consoles came into play. As much as I like valve games and Ive been playing neotokyo hlf2 mod a lot of late. I would not really care for playing valve games on the consoles unless they had the mod and free mod support like on the pc.

My reasons for playing valve games on pc are for starters for are. 1) it feels more natural with m+kb. 2) much cheaper than a console disc.( I just bought a new copy of l4d on pc for $29.99 and its still expensive on the 360 which has less support and mods you will pay for). 3) besides psn its free to play online and the steam community is freaking huge.

The bottom line is Ill just play more exclusive type games geared towards my 360 or ps3 and Ive pretty much concluded for me personally valve games are much better on a decent pc for now. Maybe in the future this will change we'll have to wait to see.

[djfullshred]

So, this means PS3 owners are not going to get the one game they make every seven years? Oh darn, I guesss we have nothing to play then. LOL, seriously though, it is funny when this kind of thing gets so much attention. Game makers sometimes act like they are on a mountain with gamers worshipping at their feet, but in reality they just make widgets in a market with a lot of other widgets to be purchased. Sales figures show that they are just as vulnerable to market changes, and fickle buying tastes. No single software developer is "all that", and if they don't make a game for the system we play on, then they are easily forgotten. And I say this as a huge fan of the Half Life series. So if Half Life 3 doesn't come out for the PS3, then so what? I'll still be buying a ton of other games that do come out for it.

[Karum]

Not worried, Valve games have always been best on PC in my eyes (don't own any Valve games for my PS3 or the 360 I used to own). If I want any Valve games I'll probably grab em off Steam for PC like I've always done.

[Pandamobile]

Seems to me like every Sony fan wants Valve games, but because they can't have them, they feel they have some sort of personal vendetta against Gabe Newell.

What the hell is your problem, guys?

Do you complain when any other developer makes a PC/360 game? No. It's quite clear that you desperately want them, but since you can't get your way you become bitter. Grow up. I've never seen a more immature Sony fanbase than on N4G.

[Faztkiller]

Don't care never liked any valve games except portal. hopefully they make a new portal and not box it with there other crap

[Pandamobile]

Half-Life 2 is still recognized as the best first person shooter ever by most places. It received many scores of 11/10.

Not to mention TF2 is one of the most funny and addictive online action FPS games ever created.

To say something like "hopefully they make a new portal and not box it with there other crap" is just stupid.

[Faztkiller]

I don't care what the reviews say IMO Half Life sucks

[keysy420]

what ahas valve brought to the table lately. nothing and why should gamers care ps3 is becoming way better than xbox. and valve aint gonna make a system seller.so if i want to play one of their games ill get it on pc but its high ly unlikely they will change their tune soon just like square enix.not supporting the ps3 isnt a smart move. becuase people who buy a 360 are not buying the system because valve ha game on it. they are getting the 3 of 4 games that 360 has.unlike the ps3 where people buy the system for a whole array of games. is till cant believe that people think the ps3 is just a blu ray player that is ludacris.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Once again Kotaku comes through with excellent reporting. I mean they must have spent hours writing that insightful piece.

It would be interesting to hear the rest of the interview. Talk about cut and past journalism at its worst.

[Gamer_Politics]

now all the sony fans wanna hate on one of the best devs around just because they dont wanna work with that blu-ray player

[rubixCubos]

Ha ha ha is that blob Gabe Newell then?!?!

I'm sorry to anyone who is overweight but...my, that is a sight for sore eyes.

I think Valve and Mr. Blobby here are a bunch of Microsoft fanboys. Despicable. He should learn self-discipline before spewing words from that fat mouth, spitting bits of food as he does so.

[Homicide]

Well that's pretty smart of Valve. I mean don't all PS3 owners have high end gaming PCs? Why bother making a PS3 version then?

Edit: I'm being sarcastic. I'm just making fun of those fanboys who say, "I'll get it on the superior PC version" to every 360/PC game.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Are you serious or being sarcastic?

[roxkis]

Don't you read all the comments people post when they say they just go get Microsoft exclusives on pc. Thats one of reasons some people where upset that Alan wake is on is only coming 360(for the moment).

[The_Zeitgeist]

I think that lots of people may own a nice PC for gaming. But that comment tried to make a generalization that all PS3 owners own a gaming PC (or at least most) this is just simply false.

[bjornbear]

owners are really not bothering with valve games on the ps3 ;) PC baby...pc...

[Digital Commando]

You ps3 people are such cry babies! Calling Gabe fat and stupid doesn't help the fact that the PS3 is actually hard to develop for!

[The_Zeitgeist]

Gabe should realize that PS3 is a big system. I mean there are over 20 million systems sold. So maybe hiring some people with development experience would be a good investment. Unless Valve is too cheap to expand their workforce.

[Saaking]

I actually like valve games so I'll play them on the 360 (I don't like PC gaming). I don't care if they don't want to develop for the PS3 because we already have a LOT of games.

[FFXI101]

This isn't news anymore, we need stop posting/submitting it.

To fellow PS3 owners, we know we don't care. So just ignore the article like this.

To the 360 owners, some of you keep saying we are missing out the great games, why the **** would you care? we are happy with the games we have now and games that coming out in the near future(so are you with your 360 library) so what makes you think we missing out the games from Valve?

Last but not leaset, please stop bring the sales number(again). It gets old, besides is not like those money they make going to your pocket, your bank account. (I don't understand why some of you so obsessed with it)

[gerth666]

Is it just me or does this bloke look like don vito from viva la bam.

[Alcohog]

Gabe is in serious need of a blood pressure check. The man is purple.

[Vip3r]

Did they even bother with it in the first place?

[ian72]

I am not bothered if Valve never work with the PS3. I have a PS3 and also a very good PC so I will get their games for PC if they are any good.

[TukkerIntensity]

No thanks chubby - move along. I bought L4D for my 360 and sold it after a month because 4 characters, ~ 4 weapons, 4 enemy types, 4 levels....they took the 4 too far in the game. No variety - the game got old fast. I'll rent L4D2 just to play with friends a couple of times but it won't be a game worth owning.

[madpuppy]

You can run anything that Valve has released on a 6 year old PC. getting nuts over Valve's lack of ability to learn the PS3 Platform is really a waste of time.

[Corepred4]

that xbox is so strung out for games right now that they are putting out what could be/was supposed to be DLC as full retail games. Halo ODST, L4D2, and i think they are retailing the gta dlc (could be wrong). Smart on MS part because there customers are desperate enough to buy them at full price!

[Knightofelemia]

I bet if I dressed a PS3 up on a burger wrapper he would develop for it pray he does not eat it first. Valve is to lazy to expand their horzions on other consoles they perfer the easy way. Quite honestly no new Valve game on my PS3 I could careless I want Uncharted 2 over Left 4 Dead 2 anytime.

[gersh]

It seems like most of the games Valve makes go to PC also. So PS3 owners can just buy Valve games for the PC, so who really cares if he stops bothering with the PS3.

[Soldierone]

Activision might have some nasty words for PS3 fans, but AT LEAST THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE PS3 GAMES! Thats all I have to say. What developer doesnt have the skills to learn something new? Valve

[boss_killa]

Gabe = Jabba the Hut.

valve can go suck monkey balls.

[Thoreau]

i don't care about valve games, but naughty dog, insomniac, and guerilla games only make playstation games so what is valve missing out on...nothing. let the technological advancement move on pass them.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I don't think that Valve dislikes the PS3 so much as they just like the PC style of programming. Making the 360 similar to the PC was very smart on MS's part. Programmers have gotten more out of it than the PS3 for the most part because it's easier to program for. When MS was designing the 360, they consulted many developers and I'm sure making the programming similar to a PC was one of the recommendations.

And Newell didn't slam the PS3. He just apologized for making a bad port.

[deshon09]

that ok i will give my money to some one else wen it come to the ps3 i my get them on the pc

[BoneIdle]

Why are they asking Peter Griffin about the PS3 ??

[deshon09]

you did not hear peter griffin love the ps3 lol

[redDevil87]

Holy crap its a fanboy orgy!

[enigmaticheretic]

I may not like the guy but the company makes awesome games, I think he doesn't want a challenge,he doesn't want to make anything on the ps3 because "its to hard develop for" if he wants to make games for the PC and the 360 thats fine but don't say a game is coming out for the ps3 and then hand it off to a crappy company to develop it thats bullshit he is basically punching the ps3 owners in the face and I'm one of the dumb asses who bought the orange box for the ps3 i feel like such douche.

[Mr_Luke]

And where's the news?
Really, i'd be surprised if ppl would be.... surprised -_-

[Midgard228]

so he basically confirmed he doesnt have the capacity to learn, just eat. sorry if people can make amazing games like uncharted 2 killzone blah blah ya know the list, then why cant valve?

o right because he only has the capacity to get fatter and dirtier. basically just said that all the devs that can make a game on ps3 are all better than him and his team.

i own all consoles and honestly besides everything on half life im not impressed with them, i gave L4D 5 chances and it just sucked IMO for a 60$ game. no story, no coodination,zombies that slap u, and HORRID graphics. why the heck does half life 1 look better?

wat ever i wont buy any more of their games unless its a new halflife.

[SixAmpFuze]

whats the problem with him not wanting to work on the ps3 or not liking it? naughty dog and insomniac work only on ps3

[Midgard228]

sony owns naughty dog, naughty dog never did a half crap job on a 360 game, doesnt matter if they never made a 360 game.

second valve is a multi plat company. thats why, thats sorta like saying nintendo only makes nintendo games why be mad?

[SixAmpFuze]

ok then what about insomniac ? Valve thinks their time and money is better suited for the 360 hardware.Theres nothing wrong with that and

[SurgicalMenace]

We all make choices, so why is it that when an individual makes a choice, that is contrary to the standard the we hold them to, they are crucified for it? We have known for a while that Newell has his differences with the PS3, so why is it that because we love the system we expect everyone to feel the same way. Choice, like videogames, is a freedom not to be taken by a group of individuals.

This is how I view the situation, Newell could be like many others in the industry that has been around for a while. He has found his niche and he doesn't feel like money or the disapproval of others is enough to move him from his practice. He probably set a standard for himself years ago, which would explain him not making any new IP based outside of the tools that are already at hand.

We all fall into this nature of assuming what we know instead of taking the time to study the facts which brings understanding. Could you imagine a group of people arguing outside of your house because you chose to ware a black short instead of a red? He made his choice now give him the freedom to stand by it without arguing on issues that you assume you know about him.

Does Xbox, Wii and PS3 not have developers that have made the same choice to only work on their designated system of choice? If the answer is yes then why are you placing a label on him for making his choice. Just enjoy what you have or go out and buy what you don't so all the arguing can stop.

[lizard81288]

what games did they make?

[K-Tuck]

Gabe Newell needs to ESAD. Such a douchebag.

[Cajun Chicken]

Your loss.

[chriski333]

valve has stupid games crappy graphics and stupid cartoony gameplay so what valve can eat a big one

[Zoomer76]

You my friend have no idea what your talking about!

[air1]

LOL

looks like he is about to say fvck the ps3..

just like the rest of the world...

;)

[vShinobi]

Did people really believe Valve was gonna support the PS3? come on some may have had hopes for that and maybe someday they will but we all know the 360/PC version of their games will be far superior, I love the PS3 and own one for awhile now and I can safely say why complain even without valve what are PS3 gamers really missing out on?

[TABSF]

personal attacks on one of the best gaming developers ever

total n00bs

[EdFry]

One of the best...well that might be pushing it; I would definitely say one one the BIGGEST("In his defense he does look a wee but smaller than before episode 1 of Half Life was released)

BUT what exactly does Gabe do...according to wikipedia(not much I know);

*After dropping out of Harvard University Newell spent thirteen years working for Microsoft Corporation, ultimately becoming a "Microsoft Millionaire." Newell has described himself as "producer on the first three releases of Windows". Inspired by Michael Abrash, who left Microsoft to work on the computer game Quake at id Software, Newell and another Microsoft employee, Mike Harrington, left Microsoft to found Valve in 1996. He and Harrington used their money to fund Valve through the development of Half-Life.

During production on Half-Life 2, he spent several months focusing on the Steam project.

In 2007 Gabe openly expressed his displeasure over developing his software for gaming consoles, particularly the PlayStation 3. In regards to the system, Newell was once quoted as claiming that developing processes for the console in general was "a waste of everybody's time" and "a disaster on many levels ... I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it'.*

So what do I "know" about Gabe. Well apparently he is known to be a quitter, his current job listing is "Co-Founder and Managing Director" of Valve and his paychecks are signed by Microsoft.

Here is what a "Managing Director" does;

*The role of a Managing Director (MD) is to design, develop and implement the strategic plan for his or her company in the most cost effective and time efficient manner.

The Managing director is responsible for both the day-to-day running of the company and developing business plans for the long term future of the organization. The Managing director is accountable to the board and the shareholders of the company. It is the board that grants the Managing Director the authority to "run" the company.

As the title suggests, the Managing director needs to manage everything. This includes the staff, the customers, the budget, the company's assets and all other company resources to make the best use of them and increase the company's profitability.

The MD or Senior MD reports to the Board of Directors on a weekly, monthly, quarterly, semi-annual, annual or every decade basis to keep them informed of how the company is doing. The board will offer suggestions and ideas about how to improve the company to the Managing Director. It is the MD's responsibility to implement, improve upon or ignore these ideas.*

What part of his job description has him doing any developing, if anything he may indeed be the sole reason Valve doesn't "do" things for the PS3. Think what you want but at the end of the day he is just the Chief Lacky cracking the Whip while the Code Monkeys Slave away.

[Henry Cain]

Who cares I have a 360 and downloaded, L4D and did not like it at all. He can keep all his games. The PS3 doesn't need them.

[Zoomer76]

Thats why your all moaning about his comments lol

[II Necroplasm II]

I wonder if anyone is going to even read these comments

[orange-skittle]

Watching everyone go apeshit over 7 lousy, non-inflammatory words that Gabe said is really funny. You can tell who's butt hurt over their decision to not work with the PS3 right off the bat, mixing petty, playground insults with batches of "meh, their games are garbage anyway" comments.

Come on, people. We know you want Valve games on the PS3 and you're pissed that you won't get them. You don't have to make yourselves look like complete assholes running around insulting a man for simply saying he's not working with the PS3. Seriously? How infantile is that? I'd expect these troll posts in some random message board, but here? You people need a little more class. This is typical immature behavior from PS3 Only owners. You have SUCKER PUNCH, INSOMNIA, ZIPPER, SLANT 6, and GUERILLA GAMES on your exclusive roster so why give a sh*t a developer said he doesn't care about making games for PS3. It's the first time something like this was said. Cliffy B said it last year. You guys sound like children

[Shadow017]

"If it's too difficult why bother" right xbots?

[N4GAddict]

He just lost at least 20 million potential customers.

[Jerk120]

It's these kind of articles that get me all tingly inside.

[DeathMetal]

why are there 421 people crying about not getting their games. Ps3 fanboys are so gay your system is not that good get over it, hell killzone 2 your flagship game didn't even sell that well. He knows Pc is better and that Ps3 is in last palce in the console race so...

[seifer085]

what's the deal with these fat f&cks and the ps3? since its curvy like u guys or what seriously!, damn Ms makin these fat bastards hate us!

[remanutd55]

why is this big news since when a title from this guys have been transcendent to a playstation console ??? i have had all playstation consoles and i have played games that had defined entire console generations and i dont recall a game from this guys on a playstation console being 1 of them so my question is this why is this relevant??? if Rockstar , Kojima or even square enix said something like this then it would be really relevant but these guys ???? they could have made very good pc games but playstation ????? LMAO

[-DeathWraith-]

A fat, lazy F***. That's all it is.

[Jack-Pyro]

Every time you guys argue over petty crap on the forums, the IQ of our comunity drops a few points!

I feel for all us PS3 owners, they'll b missing out on some great games, but at the same time, they have there own games that are gonna rock out with there crock out, so it shouldn't be too great a blow!

Heres hoping Valve eventually learns the PS3 hardware and develops for us.

[gameman]

why would he ??? it's really difficult to work with PS3 system only a genius can work the ps3

[wxer]

sooner or later the devs. well have to deal with CPU's
that works like the cell dose

if VALVE thinks that developing well always stay the way it is right now
they are wrong

CPU's in the future well have different structure
and different way to code for
maybe even harder than the cell

and i really don't think that the next xbox
or the next gen computers well have the same processers that they have now

there well be more SPU's
more cores and more codes and stuff

so i think its a stupid move
that comes out of a soo called "Professional " developer

look at all of the developers out there
they are trying there best do deliver the game to there fans
to the most possible platforms they can

so they need to move with the flow
cus if they don't
thats there lost
there more than 20 million PS3 out there
and i think thats a big number

and Sony users are okay to lose VALVE
cus sony's 1st party are really working hard
and making a really good games
that the users really don't care about 3rd developers

[brad12man12]

oh well lol

but tf2 on ps3 wasnt that bad i didnt think lol

[bobdog626]

all in all he's a ass for saying that and it will bite him one day that's for sure.