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Blu-ray wins yets another week over HD-DVD in the Neilson's Numbers

Week 11/11 BD 65, HD 35 YTD: BD 65, HD 35 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 11/04 BD 71, HD 29 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 10/28: BD 55, HD 45 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 60, HD 40
Week 10/21: BD 51, HD 49 YTD: BD 65, HD 34 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 10/14: BD 71, HD 29 YTD: BD 66, HD 34 SI: BD 61, HD 39

No change In Since Inception numbers but Year to Date picked up 1 point for Blu.

*compliments Helen

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gamesblow - 770 days 6 hours ago

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Of coruse it did... Consumers aren't stupid. Just because something is cheap "cough" HD-dvd "cough" doesn't mean it's worth it. Blu-ray is going to win this media frenzy... I don't care what anyone says. DVD's are fastly becoming more and more unviable by the day... Sure they're still awesome. I have over 500, myself... but I don't mind kickin' one out of my collection everytime I obtain it on Blu-ray.

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fenderputty - 770 days 6 hours ago

1.1 - It has nothing to do with

HD v. BD. It has everything to do with more movies on BD and more BD players out in the wild ala PS3.

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juandren - 770 days 4 hours ago

1.2 -

I think it's mostly just Americans who buy the cheaper HD-DVD. You don't see a Wal-Mart in EU do you?

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pukka_p - 770 days 3 hours ago

1.3 - It's called wal mart asda in the UK

...and anyone who buys a piece of av electronic there is either limited in money or knowledge. It is very much a budget place (perhaps only imo), but is widely frowned upon and derided by the masses.

Of course, like most places in this mould it doesn't sell things with much real knowledge behind it. But it certainly does represent good value for money (although HD-DVD at any price represents only limited-time value, as most sane people know).

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Biphter - 769 days 17 hours ago

1.4 - These are just USA numbers

It would be interesting to see worldwide figures all collated together. Then the real picture as to how Blu-Ray disc sales are trouncing HD-DVD would be shown.

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vaan - 770 days 5 hours ago

2 - There you go BoodMask. (you loser)

A REAL BD v HDDVD story. With REAL numbers.
Suck it all you fud spreading 360 wankers.

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chester - 770 days 5 hours ago

2.1 -

i don't get why ps3 fanboys try to rub it in 360 fanboy's faces that bd is beating down hd-dvd. sure, the 360 add-on player is a part of microsoft's accessory plan, but it's not a depended-on format like blu-ray is for ps3. if/when blu-ray wins this, it won't hurt microsoft. if hd-dvd was to somehow wipe out blu-ray, then it would be devastating to sony. either way, this isn't really a 360 vs ps3 discussion.

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vaan - 770 days 5 hours ago

2.2 - Listen lady.

How many articles do you see spamming up N4G trying to throw FUD and negativity on the Blu Ray format? Just scroll down todays N4G headlines lady and you'll see tons of BS headlines from your buddies.
You go girl.

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chester - 770 days 3 hours ago

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sure thing chief. there are a bunch of articles on both sides, from both sets of pathetic fanboys for donks like yourself to get all worked up about.

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cuco33 - 769 days 10 hours ago

2.4 - I wouldn't be preaching this as a 'victory'

Blu-ray had a Disney sale (buy Rat & Cars, get $10 off) with far better releases. Rat was given excellent reviews. BD had other sales as well whereas HD DVD didn't have anything major nor any sales the week. Rat was on top of Amazon's charts all week. Everyone, including HD DVD fans thought BD would win by a huge margin, something like 80:20 or higher and in the end it came down to 65:35. Note that Nielson's isn't gospel, they only look at 60% of a blu biased market (i.e. Target & Best Buy help promote BD due to incentives for promotions) yet since August the sales trend is that HD DVD has closed the sales gap by 7%. It's still anyones "game". I still find it hysterical the trolls on this board who bash a given format yet don't even support their 'format of choice'

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cuco33 - 769 days 10 hours ago

2.5 - I wouldn't be preaching this as a 'victory'

Blu-ray had a Disney sale (buy Rat & Cars, get $10 off) with far better releases. Rat was given excellent reviews. BD had other sales as well whereas HD DVD didn't have anything major nor any sales the week. Rat was on top of Amazon's charts all week. Everyone, including HD DVD fans thought BD would win by a huge margin, something like 80:20 or higher and in the end it came down to 65:35. Note that Nielson's isn't gospel, they only look at 60% of a blu biased market (i.e. Target & Best Buy help promote BD due to incentives for promotions) yet since August the sales trend is that HD DVD has closed the sales gap by 7%. It's still anyones "game". I still find it hysterical the trolls on this board who bash a given format yet don't even support their 'format of choice'

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kooplar - 770 days 5 hours ago

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Like i give a $Hit about blu-ra and hd-dvd.

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fury - 770 days 5 hours ago

4 - Blu-ray is the better format...

why? Because it has more capacity.
Yes, there are actually people who have XBOX360s and support Blu-ray. I am one of them.

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Kigmal - 770 days 5 hours ago

4.1 - bubble for you

for being a rebel

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Keyser - 770 days 5 hours ago

4.2 - Fury

you keep a mighty clean 360. Mine looks a little abused now from taking it over buddies houses and moving from state to state.

Bubbles for cleanliness...

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blackmagic - 770 days 4 hours ago

4.3 -

I respect your opinion since you have made it based on what you believe the merits are however, I would argue that you are misinformed in your assumption that blu-ray's extra space is a particularly strong advantage for movie playback.

The HD DVD consortium knew from very early on that in order to leverage the installed infrastructure of DVD (a massive advantage), they would have to work with a smaller disc space and they made their decisions based on that.

They supported the latest CODECs from the beginning and made the Thomson Film Grain Technology mandatory which yields better video compression without loss of quality (or maintain bitrate with an increase in quality). For audio they made several CODECs mandatory such as DD+ with up to 3Mbps streams even though audio engineers were saying that 1.5Mbps streams were already transparent to the master. Using these advanced CODECs, over 4 hours of 1080p can be encoded onto a 30Gb disc.

Compare this to Blu-ray and it's choice of less advanced video CODECs (no Film Grain Technology) and it's reliance on PCM audio (due to flimsy audio codec support) and you realize you NEED the extra space to achieve the same thing.

On top of this, manufacturing of dual layer discs is expensive and more time intensive (due to extra complexity and lower yields) resulting in over 50% of blu-ray releases being on single layer discs. Note that the PCM implementation supports 16, 20 and 24bit variants and often releases are only 16bit due to size constraints. Robocop comes to mind as an example of this. Keep in mind that a 16bit PCM stream is CD quality audio.

Also, due to the design philosophy of Blu-Ray, tighter tolerances and more complexity are required in the manufacture of the players which is directly responsible for the higher player prices and have left many players incompatible with CDs. Combine this with the omission of profile 1.1 and 2.0 features and I think it is clear that HD DVD is the better standard.

Edit: Hmm... lots of disagrees but no counterpoints. If you disagree then please make a counterpoint or supply contradictory articles. Convince me on why I am wrong, I am open to discussion but simply disagreeing and walking away just tells me you can't.

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tk - 769 days 17 hours ago

4.4 - And here comes the FUD train again...

Hi bud... the codecs - is software. You savvy?
For CD-ROM, DivX is not required - or MP3. Advanced codecs...
Yet I copy the file to them - and that means CD-ROM supports all the codecs... you savvy?

My cheap entry level DVD player plays DivX, MP3, WMA - and none of these are supported on DVD specs - yet my player does - therefore DVD does.

The PS3 with a firmware update supports all the codecs. And if you install Linux on it, even more codecs that you shake a stick at.

So give this "HD-DVD supports better codecs than BR" line a rest. In the end - a slap of foil in some substrate storing bits being read by a little violet, blue or red laser light. All that matters is how fast it can read the data, and how much it can store on the little platter. Anything else - is software - and BR can not get something in the software that HD-DVD can not support with a firmware update and vice versa... You savvy?

So bud... more space, faster... BR wins. More readers (console + PC + standalone) BR wins. More titles BR wins.

The only way to spin HD-DVD is winning is to try and ignore all other elements and pretend that lowest cost entry level reader = higher value proposition. Nothing else washes. You savvy?

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blackmagic - 769 days 10 hours ago

4.5 - tk

I'm not sure what your point is regarding DivX? I'm pretty sure that there aren't any studios on any high def or standard def formats that support DivX. The only thing that DivX seems to accomplish is encourage piracy so I really don't see how that is an advantage of any sort in the format war... I'd go so far as to say that DivX support is viewed as a negative by studios.

I think maybe you don't understand what a CODEC is? CODEC is an abbreviation for COmpressor DECompressor and things like AVC, VC1, MPEG2, Dolby Digital (DD) and Digital Theatre Systems (DTS) are examples of them. Hardware manufacturers have to pay licencing fees in order to implement them so when a CODEC is not mandatory, it is most likely not implemented. This is the case for Blu-Ray vs HD DVD when it comes to CODEC support.

Both have mandatory support for AVC, VC1 and MPEG2 video CODECs but only HD DVD has mandatory support of Thomson's Film Grain Technology (FGT). Blu-ray doesn't even have optional support for FGT and won't be able to implement it via firmware in the future since it requires extra hardware to support it.

Both have mandatory support of Dolby Digital, DTS, and Linear PCM CODECs but only HD DVD has mandatory support for Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and Dolby TrueHD whereas these are optional on Blu-Ray.

The extra FGT, DD+ and Dolby TrueHD CODECs are there to deliver the same quality picture and sound with less space and lower bitrates and this is entirely consistent with disc reviews which show both formats completely on par with each other. Blu-ray needs more space and higher bitrates to deliver the same quality.

In the end, the only real discernable differences between the two is that HD DVD players are considerably less expensive than Blu-ray players, have more standard features, have less restrictions due to Digital Rights Management and have manufacturing processes which are scalable at low cost.

There's a difference between playing smart and playing hard. Toshiba played smart and they delivered the better solution in the end. You savvy?

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fury - 769 days 10 hours ago

4.6 - In the end...

...space is what matters most. And in that part Blu-ray wins. All those neat features you mentioned, won't be really necessary or you won't really notice them while watching a film unless you have superears and supereyes like superman.
Blu-ray can now hold up to 100GB and old players can read those discs with a simple firmware update. 100GB vs 51GB. Where do you think more content fits on? Yes, on the Blu-ray disc, and content is what you will really notice when you buy a movie. The more content the better...

Edit: I now actually noticed that you have significantly more knowledge than me regarding this whole Blu-ray & HD-DVD thing. You may be right about toshiba being smarter and delivering the better technology, but my personal decision is, that I will support Blu-ray. Why? I don't know, because maybe I like Sony, I really don't know but I've made my decision. This may sound a bit dumb to you but it's the choice I've made.

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blackmagic - 769 days 7 hours ago

4.7 -

No worries FuRy. I believe there isn't a wrong format choice, I think that dual format players will become cheap long before the format war will end and will mimic the DVD+R/DVD-R war.

I do think that overall, HD DVD is the better solution though.

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fury - 768 days 9 hours ago

4.8 - Each to his own I guess.

But I agree, in the end it will boil down to Hybrid players. both formats will remain.

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eagle21 - 770 days 5 hours ago

5.1 - u r kidding right?

Blu Ray has deals black friday. Like $14.99 movies. I reckon 400k-500k Blu Ray players and PS3's will move worldwide black friday week. Hd Dvd is only existing never dominating.

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EZCheez - 770 days 4 hours ago

5.2 - The Naxy Exchange here in Norfolk, VA

Just had a sell for blu-rays at $9.99. Trust me. I was not the only one walking out with a stack of blu-ray movies. After last week, my inventory of blu-ray movies QUADRUPLED.

OFF TOPIC-Has anyone else seen Return to the House on Haunted Hill on blu-ray yet? It's not a very good movie, but it gives about 95 story options. It's like a choose-your-own-adventure movie! Man, I loved those books.

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eagle21 - 770 days 4 hours ago

5.3 - $9.99 man I would have been on that too bro!

I am buying Blu Ray like no one ever before this holiday...lol

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kydrice - 770 days 5 hours ago

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I bet someone is bound to post an HD-DVD article from some Joe-Blow source that HD-DVD is winning.

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Kigmal - 770 days 5 hours ago

8 - I just think it's sucks when

Blu-ray movie sales are up ... but PS3 games aren't. That makes me sick. People would buy movies instead of games what is wrong with you people. Support gaming, not movies. and anyone who bought that hd dvd add on for 360 is a huge idiot

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Xbox is the BEST - 770 days 4 hours ago

8.1 - Well

if HD loses people can buy a dual format player and vice versa.

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Keyser - 770 days 5 hours ago

9.1 - Bladestar...

I wouldn't use weekly sales to measure marketshare if I were you. I'm not taking a swipe at you but I'm saying that weekly sales are quite variable. I'd say that if you looked over the course of time at monthly sales you'll see a clearer picture. Even taking a look at how many BR and HDDVD would probably be a more accurate picture.

Looking for marketshare analysis by looking at weekly numbers is about as accurate as looking at daily numbers.

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deeznuts - 770 days 4 hours ago

9.2 -

Bladestar,

There was some speculation that HD DVD might have taken over overall sales because of the influx of those Toshiba HD-A2 players a week or so ago. HD DVD got close with transformers, but didn't, and now with the 100K players being out there, it barely moved. But, I believe it may have to do with all those damn free movies they got.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/sh...

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actas123 - 770 days 2 hours ago

9.3 - um

I don't know why u are so excited. do u even own an HD DVD...
Dude, HD DVDs were welling for 99 freaking dollars and 6% increase means nothing man.

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agent864 - 770 days 1 hour ago

9.4 - that might have something to do

with Spiderman 3. A temporary blip in blu-ray rather than a market share decline

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tk - 769 days 16 hours ago

9.5 - Oh Wow...

So...
week 1 BR(800) HD-DVD (200) 80%/20%
week 2 BR(6) HD-DVD(4) 60%/40%

That would mean overall HD-DVD gained how much: 20% 15% 2%?

Which is the closest? Hint... adding % week on week does not equal to market share % for both weeks combined...

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540damn - 769 days 13 hours ago

9.6 - hahaha

supporterofadyingformatsayswha t?

i think youre reaching there a little bit buddy.

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rbanke - 770 days 5 hours ago

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again, this shows the whole 'attachment rate' and 'ps3 owners dont buy blu-ray/dont know it plays blu-ray' bs arguments means nothing.

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Apocalypse Shadow - 770 days 5 hours ago

11 - we all know it's coming

90:10.and if it's not 90:10......

it will be close.like 85:15.

but time and time again,bluray is whooping hd-dvd's @ss.with higher priced stand alone players and coming out after hd-dvd.we bag you 360 fanboys for supporting an inferior format.some say,"i don't care!" or "dvd is still selling a crapload of movies."that's not the point. we are talking "HIGH DEF." so it matters NOW because HD is what's "NEXT."

keep spinning and spinning.the numbers don't lie.no matter how many rotations,sit 'n spins(remember this toy?),24 hour earth movement,the little handheld toys that looked like flowers that spinned in the wind,wheel of fortune shows,carnival rides,etc....

spin,spin,spin.but you hd-dvd fanboys got to bow down to the numbers.

NOT ONE WEEK THIS YEAR HD-DVD HAS BEATEN BLURAY.

and this week was no different.

mag lev...............

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gunnerforlife - 770 days 5 hours ago

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and here i just read an article saying that hd dvd would win this holiday season not with those number and i just cant wait till a cheaper blu-ray comes out over christmas.

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GIJeff - 770 days 5 hours ago

13 - I just want

the STORAGE disc with more STORAGE being used in the end.

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mighty_douche - 770 days 5 hours ago

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do we really need this week in week out.

lets have some game news.

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cdzie1 - 770 days 5 hours ago

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Considering PS3 has 16% of the next-gen game market share; 35% of the next-gen movie market share for HD DVD doesn't look so bad. Especially when you consider that 2 high-profile Disney releases hit last week.

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Foliage - 770 days 1 hour ago

15.1 -

Until you realize that there are multiple choices when it comes to game consoles, and just two when it comes to HD players. Not to mention how you are more than likely using vgchartz for your totals, and forgot to include how the 360 was out a year ahead.

Using vgchartz is like relying on wikipedia for your totals.

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ikkokucrisis - 770 days 5 hours ago

16 -

Everything is intertwined, the war between consoles and formats.
A power struggle between huge corporations.
They are both so big and bloated that they are about to burst.
Someone has to lose/die now or eventually they both will.
The media is their weapon of choice.
The media politics pulls the consumers to choose sides.
Now it's a civil war.
War divides people.
We all lose if we keep fighting.

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lodossrage - 770 days 4 hours ago

17.1 - Not just that, but the deal with paramount is temporary

The deal only lasts for 18 months. So for the most part after the next christmas, Paramount will be making blu ray discs again.

The funny thing is, the hd dvd camp said that paramount didnt go hd dvd exclusive because of the money.

Now if that was true, why would they have given them 150 million dollars for 18 month exclusivity??

Doesn't make much sense if the hd dvd camp said it wasn't about the money does it?

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athlon770 - 770 days 3 hours ago

17.2 - Relax guys

Blue isn't going anywhere, between the PS3, stand alone players, PC readers and re-writables...heck, the PC market alone will ensure Blue is not going bye, bye. With PC using blu-ray burners, the discs holding 100gig native, and 200+ gig discs in the works, what does HD-DVD have, a 51gig disc that is still in development. And the red camp expects to win? Not going to happen.

PC drives:
http://www.blu-ray.com/driv...

Set top drives (including the PS3):
http://www.blu-ray.com/play...

HD-DVD has one manufacture...Toshiba, and you red guys are telling us that red is going to win...naw, red is already dead, it just doesn't realize it yet.

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Abu - 770 days 4 hours ago

18 - Blu-ray will go the way of all the other failed Sony formats

Sorry about that.

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akaFullMetal - 769 days 21 hours ago

18.1 -

how??? how will that happen, its been on top ever since it debuted???

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