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HD DVD could win big this Christmas

Toshiba's HD DVD format could emerge the surprise winner from this year's Christmas sales - sales that are seen as crucial to the long-term survival of both HD DVD and its arch-rival Blu-ray.

Jupiter Research analyst Michael Gartenberg says HD DVD could make strong inroads in the US thanks to cheap player prices, a strong line-up of titles - including Heroes and Star Trek box sets - as well as a crises of confidence in the Blu-ray camp.

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Multigamer - 767 days ago

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as i sed in a previous post, im getting the hd-dvd add on and i know a few people with 360's who are also getting it.

this war is not over yet

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The Brave 1 - 766 days 23 hours ago

1.1 - War?

The war is not over,however in my opinion hd dvd is hanging around as long as they can.I mean lets be serious!Hd dvd win this christmas?yeah and MGS4 is coming out this year.Just because a big guy said it doesnt mean its true.Fact is Blu-ray is killing hd dvd where it counts.That would be disks sales.And did he say loss of confidence?Lets see-Spiderman Trilogy,POTC:AWE,Die Hard series,The simpons,Superbad,Ratatouille,D isney pictures,sony pictures,the list goes on and on!If this means loss of confidence by the Blu-ray camp,then hd dvd is in for a (Ravashing Rick)rude awakening. some bubbles please?!

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sonarus - 766 days 22 hours ago

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in my opinion it all boils dwn to better advertising. most of the big titles this yr are on blu ray all you gotta do is let the consumer knw cus the avg consumer is still quite clueless. On the other hand the recent hd-dvd firesale has caught consumers attention. bluray players need to find their way down to at least 350 to better compete with hd-dvd. toshiba is willing to sell at a loss blu ray association should consider this too

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marinelife9 - 766 days 22 hours ago

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The funny thing is that I have owned a DVD player for years now and I've only bought a few movies. I rented 99.9% of the movies I watched on it. I've already bought more Blu-Ray movies than DVD movies because of the hi-def aspect. When I had a DVD player it was on a standard def tv anyway so I couldn't see much difference in picture quality.

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vasilisk - 766 days 22 hours ago

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If you want to get a HD-DVD player just buy a Toshiba one and not the Microsoft add on which is definitely the worst HD player in the market right now (including blu-ray and hd-dvd players). You can get a far more better hardware with the same amount of money, no need to get that crappy add on. Every reviewer on the planet said that it's picture quality for a HD player is unacceptable...
Look at it this way also. If your 360 get the rrod, you could still watch HD movies until they get it replaced...

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marinelife9 - 766 days 22 hours ago

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How much do you think Toshiba will have to pay Warner to go HD-DVD exclusive if they had to pay Paramount 150 million. And for how long would Warner go exclusive. I'm thinking 300 million for 12 months. That'll be just enough to make Paramount pissed.

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blindfromthesun - 766 days 19 hours ago

1.6 - vasilisk ...

The HD DVD player for the 360 is not a bad player. I have not read a single negative review for it. The picture quality is as good or better than my new stand alone Toshiba player. The only thing I would caution people about in regards to it was that I "believe" it gave my console the RROD. The HD DVD player is very hardware intensive on the console. I would recommend everyone to pass on the add on and get a stand alone.

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JOLLY1 - 766 days 23 hours ago

2.1 - I'm confused

It doesn't have studios support? I know Disney and sony are large studios, but compared to Universal and Paramount they are quite small. If you look at all the movies that come out per year, between both companies, Paramount alone puts out more than both blu-ray studios. I think you should rethink your comment.

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Snukadaman - 766 days 23 hours ago

2.2 - saysyou...they are trying too be the dominate format....those cheap players might be losing money

but in the long run you imagine either blu-ray or hd-dvd wins and everyone switches too that format entirely..then you will understand why those 99 dollar players are a investment.

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enzobot24 - 766 days 22 hours ago

2.3 - @ JOLLY1

Disney is the largest exclusive format studio, my friend. Warner Bros. is the largest entertainment corporation in the world - but they are format neutral.

Here's a list of Disney's major subsidiary film and entertainment studios.

Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone, Miramax, Dimensions (all the films released before Weinstein split in late 2005), ABC television, Pixar, and Hollywood Pictures.

And anyone that thinks Sony or Disney are smaller than Universal or Paramount is pretty ignorant... they are all comparable in size.

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cloud360-7th_account - 767 days ago

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Blu-ray

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dale1 - 767 days ago

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don,t advise the 360 add on it causes the 360 to get hotter than normal could r.r.o.d on you and thats christmas without your console you,ve been warned

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hitthegspot - 766 days 22 hours ago

5.1 - RROD...

Just get a fan and you will not have any issues...

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blindfromthesun - 766 days 19 hours ago

5.2 - The add-on killed my three60...

I agree with the increased RROD susceptibility with the add-on. The console gets extremely hot. My console started to experience artifacts and streaking after a period of only 2 weeks...than it died. I've vowed never to buy one again. Anyone worried about your console overheating, buy a laptop cooler. I have the Antec laptop cooler $49.00 in stores ($25 on eBay) and my 360 is reasonable cool. No more worries:)

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Jandre02 - 767 days ago

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LOL. yeah..with pś3 and Blu-ray for free with Bravia tv. I dont think so. price iśnt everything.

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Meus Renaissance - 766 days 23 hours ago

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The thing that I don't understand is that this is clearly relating to stand alone players as more PlayStation 3's will be sold over this Christmas than HD DVD players. Although the majority of those PS3 owners might not even be interested in the console for a Blu-Ray player, in all probability they would most likely still be involved in the market for Hi Def movies sooner or later.

So I can't understand why there is really so much enthusiasm in the general long-run regarding the overall sales of the two formats. The problem, however, for Blu Ray is not player sales but trying to get a higher attach rate. Getting more Blu-Ray owners, e.g. PS3 owners, to go out and buy movies.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 766 days 23 hours ago

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One small problem. 60% of all PS3 owners don't know about their BLuRay capabilities.

Of the 40% left that do know it, how much use it. 50% of them actively maybe?

And how many movies do they buy? Movie studios will be on HD-DVD's side if they sell the most movies on it period.

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Meus Renaissance - 766 days 23 hours ago

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Will that's going on a massive assumption that they will never know about Blu-Ray. Of those 60%, how many do you estimate eventually find it, and how many would you estimate would actually go and buy a Hi Def movie (in BR ofcourse)

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Grassroots - 766 days 23 hours ago

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Um, mart, you realize that HD hasn't sold more movies than blu yet this year. Not to mention, it simply won't with the line-up of exclusives on blu-ray this xmas, not competition except the really Bourne Ultimatum. The End.

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fenderputty - 766 days 23 hours ago

7.4 - One small problem. 60% of all PS3 owners don't know about their BLuRay capabilities.

"One small problem. 60% of all PS3 owners don't know about their BLuRay capabilities.

Of the 40% left that do know it, how much use it. 50% of them actively maybe?

And how many movies do they buy? Movie studios will be on HD-DVD's side if they sell the most movies on it period. "

lmao .... If I do my Math correctly, that's 20% of the total PS3 user base that buys Blu-Ray movies. 20% of 6 million + whatever is done over the holidays + standalone players = a minimum of 1.2 million PS3 users buying movies. It's probably closer to 1.5 million. That's still more then HD-DVD and the reason BD kills HD in sales by a margin of 2-1. Add to that Pirates and Spiderman and whatever else ... I think you get where I'm going with this.

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Bonsai1214 - 766 days 22 hours ago

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mart, you also realize that you're taking statistics from a survey taken a few months after the ps3's release

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Filanime03 - 766 days 15 hours ago

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Uhh the mart did u come by every ps3 owners house and u saw that 60%percent of them don't use their blu-ray. Wow ur the same as HDDVD researchers who don't know crap and are just estimating numberrs randomly to make their product better than the others.

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hitthegspot - 766 days 22 hours ago

8.1 - I'm confused...

You said that Bloodmask was Peginhole? I can't keep up. Are you sure.

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BIoodmask - 766 days 23 hours ago

9 - It is probable

that HD DVD will have a good Holiday season if the A-2s selling almost 100,000 units in a couple of days is any indication.

Price point is one of the most important key driving factors for a lot of consumer products. I know that a lot of people try to downplay the fact that the low end model Toshiba player is only 1080i. But for the people that are more educated in Home theatre they will know that film is shot at only 24 FPS so the 1080i output will be the same as the 1080P. If film was shot at 60 frames per second then data would be lost but it isn't. Film is shot at 24 frames per second and so the odd and even interlace frames are from the same frame in the source resulting in no loss of visual data.

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Whoooop - 766 days 23 hours ago

9.1 - Funny...

that you and the gang were always saying how in the console war price and SPECIALLY GAMES (SOFTWARE) are the reason for the 360 to be on top and supposedly win the this gen...

Now I don't see anywhere in your post that SOFTWARE is important in the format war... Obviously you don't mention it because you need to praise everything that's NOT SONY/PS3 oriented.

hmmmmm strange.

Conclusion(by your fanboy logic)... In the console war SOFTWARE is necessary to win, but in the format war is irrelevant.. Stand alone players are enough even if you don't have sh*t to see compared with the competing format..

Nice way to give a very objective comment... Still the same fanboy

:)

As usual..

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BIoodmask - 766 days 22 hours ago

9.2 - Whooop

Do you ever actually comment on the article?? Anyways I don't care who wins the format war. I have just recently picked up an A-2, and the movies I have bought will still be there even if HD DVD fails.

The key reason for "my purchase" was the price. Why would I go out and purchase a player for $400 dollar when I can get one that is under $100. Makes sense to me at least. A decent upconverting standard DVD player can cost in the $100 range. No matter which way you spin it an HD player for $100 is a steal.

I think it is funny that instead of bringing up a valid argument that you just resort to personal attack.

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hitthegspot - 766 days 22 hours ago

9.3 - Whoooop 9.1

The last time I checked the world population was 6,602,224,175. If all these people don't feel like buying a $400 Blu-ray/PS3 and see a $100 HD-DVD to watch movies on then the tide could turn...

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OmegaKulu - 766 days 22 hours ago

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Really, I don't care who wins, movie format isn't something that matters that much to me.

But what? When DVD took over their competitors are VHS and V-CDs, thats a very clear cut advantage... don't make yourself look stupid.

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enzobot24 - 766 days 22 hours ago

9.5 - @Bloodmask

If price was everything, everybody and their mother would be an entrepreneur.

People that own 1080p (or even 720p) HDTVs aren't going to buy a low-end player... they are going to opt for a $200-$1000 player. So that's basically the Toshiba A3 and A30 versus the Sony BDP-S300 and the Panasonic DMP-BD30K.

The people that bought the $99 fire-sale A2 are most likely going to continue buying DVDs.... since HD DVDs cost around $30 MSRP.

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Whoooop - 766 days 22 hours ago

9.6 - @ Bloodmask

Well I don't need to make a valid argument... why???? Because Bluray software sales speak for themselves.. Bluray studio support speak for itself..

Bluray exclusive movies sales speak and will scream for themselves when sales estimate for Spiderman trilogy, Cars, Ratatouille and Pirates, come out...

You just need to support the format not because it's what you like or what you think it's the better deal.. You just support it because Microsoft supports it. period

:)

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PaulyG - 766 days 20 hours ago

9.7 - whooop is right on the money

Somehow this format war has spilled over into the video game war and its Sony vs Microsoft. I will say it again. Who in their right minds would buy a format that doesn't have sony, fox and disney on their side. I'll tell you who, the micro$$$$$$$$oft fanboys do. Why? Because they can't own anything sony or playstation related. I do miss transformers and I am upset about paramount but I still would pick blu ray over hddvd any day of the week. I own 35 blu ray movies already and if i didn't have huge amounts of bills to pay i'd probably own close to a hundred right now. Ps3 is the difference maker in this war and micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft and toshiba just prolonged the inevitable with the cheap garbage paramount buy out and the desperation firesale of entry level players (which isn't even close to as good of a deal as a newly priced $399.99 ps3)

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Baddo_Ekkusuchi - 766 days 23 hours ago

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yea right, enough. blu ray will pwn all.

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Kuest - 766 days 23 hours ago

10.1 - After comments 7 & 9

I was beginning to think that maybe this thread would be a nice, thoughtful debate...

Baddo, you're a one-man band.

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Kuest - 766 days 23 hours ago

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Woah... Who is this coming from again?

Great comment, Mr. limps on and on- it seems you have finally dragged yourself to the realm of well-thought arguments. You may stand now.

p.s

Don't you just love my little name descriptions. I do it because I care.

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Dante8205 - 766 days 23 hours ago

12 - hahahahhah yea right.

the keyword there is could buddy...and no..no it wont

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fredy - 766 days 23 hours ago

13 - If the price is right

I think they could Win big...

Price matters and we'll see how much it affects consumers and as well as Studios support.

wait and see

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Danja - 766 days 23 hours ago

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YUP and I can say the same thing that the 40GB will help the PS3 dominate this christmas...which in terms means more Blu Ray players on the market...sucks to be supporting the red team

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predator - 766 days 23 hours ago

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hey theres nothing wrong in supporting the red team (my avater, man utd)

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rofldings - 766 days 23 hours ago

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Manchester united sucks :/ And this is coming from an American! :O

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predator - 766 days 23 hours ago

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ur an american and ur telling me united suck, dude do not go there. lol

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rofldings - 766 days 20 hours ago

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oh yes i did go there!

...btw, Liverpool owns :D

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kydrice - 766 days 23 hours ago

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HD-DVD's Heroes, Transformers and Star Trek(lol) will have to win over Spiderman 3, Superbad, Ratatoullie(sp), and Pirates 3.

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predator - 766 days 23 hours ago

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u 4got shrek 3 and bourne ultimatum on hd-dvd,

Both formats have great films.

just bad on us consumers

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jackdoe - 766 days 23 hours ago

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You forgot Lost Season 3 on Blu-ray. The best show on television.

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fredy - 766 days 23 hours ago

15.3 - Speaking of Heroes

On another note DVD's Heroes[Heroes, Transformers and Star Trek(lol) Spiderman 3, Superbad, Ratatoullie(sp), and Pirates 3.

All can be watched on cheap DVD players

When consumers decide then they will make their purchase when we have one format.

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predator - 766 days 23 hours ago

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i cant stand lost, im more of a 24 guy, now that is a show.

oh also isnt the simpsons on blu ray,

see theres great films on both formats

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