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Eurogamer: Xbox 360 vs. PS3 Face-Off: Round Five

Once more Eurogamer returns to the front line trenches of the Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 console war with the latest in their continuing series of cross-platform confrontations. This time the coverage is bigger and better than ever before, featuring more games, more comparison shot galleries, and more detail on the behind-the-scenes technical trickery employed.

So, onto the line-up of games then - five highly rated 'original IPs', and four not-so-impressive summer movie tie-ins:
* Virtua Fighter 5
* SKATE
* Transformers: The Game
* Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
* Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
* Colin McRae: DiRT
* Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
* SEGA Rally
* FIFA 08

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Meus Renaissance - 757 days 23 hours ago

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You know what, I haven't looked at these images, but I don't think such comparisons should be approved on this site. It's fuel for the flamewars so I'm personally boycotting approving them. Maybe one day others can see the logic in that.

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predator - 757 days 23 hours ago

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ive looked, read what eurogmer say and i think it was 6- 2 to the 360, but they did say it was hardly anything inbetween them, ps3 development is getting better.

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titntin - 757 days 23 hours ago

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I do understand your point of view, and even approve of it as too many threads are hijacked by fanboy flamewars.

But this is a good and informative article, well written , and suprisingly unbiased.

Its of no suprise that the PS3 versions of many games suffer as they are often quickly ported from the 360/PC version. What is heartening for that platform, is that its becoming increasingly obvious that if you spend a little more effort, some decent parity can be achieved without having to rewrite your engine for Cell. Sega Rally, dirt and Harry Potter all show this is the case....

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unwind_protect - 757 days 21 hours ago

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It's an article written by professionals who try to thouroughly compare PS3/xbox versions of multiplatform games. Links to articles like this should definitely be approved, read and discussed. I like reading them, although I'm a PS3 owner and most of them so far are not favorable of PS3. What I hate is seeing people discuss obscure fanboy blogs comparing pictures of 100x50 size, taken from 10 meters away from an SDTV set with a crappy camera. Or blog articles that are 1 year old. These should never get approved and discussed... :)

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rushbd - 757 days 21 hours ago

1.4 - surprizingly unbiased artical from Eurogamer

3rd party devs are really improving with PS3. very good comparison indeed. although 360 takes the win this time, the difference is barely seeable. Expect them to disappear ( or yet crossed ) within 2-3 months.

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OpiZA - 757 days 23 hours ago

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This should suck..

*Waits*

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mighty_douche - 757 days 22 hours ago

3 - STOP APPROVING THIS CRAP....

its here to do nothing but insinuate a flame war....

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Guardian0fPeace - 757 days 22 hours ago

4 - EA sucks at everything but sports games...

The day they lose the LOTR and Harry Potter games (God willing this happens), there actually will be awesome games on the way based on these movies/books.

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5 AnalFace | 757 days 22 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

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BadTaste - 757 days 22 hours ago

5.1 - Yes.

The rest looked identical though.

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Daurelus17 - 757 days 15 hours ago

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not exactly..look at the potc pic again.. the 1st pic with jack in town look at the sign its something small. but im glad to see things have improved for the ps3

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Daurelus17 - 757 days 15 hours ago

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not exactly..look at the potc pic again.. the 1st pic with jack in town look at the sign its something small. but im glad to see things have improved for the ps3

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Bill Gates - 757 days 22 hours ago

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Round 5?.....What!!

The 360 got "KNOCKED THA FU<K OUT" in the first minute of the FIRST ROUND by the PS3......AHHHAHHAHAHHAHAH

"You got knocked tha fu<k out"........AAAHAahHHA

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6.1 godofthunder10 | 757 days 21 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

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AngryTypingGuy - 757 days 17 hours ago

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With insightful comments like that, I can't see why you still only have one bubble. That was called sarcasm by the way, since you aren't very intelligent.

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ActlikeitaintIronman - 757 days 22 hours ago

7 - more flamebait

you f*ggots

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sticky doja - 757 days 21 hours ago

7.1 - Whats with the name calling?

I'm taking your bubble for that sensless comment.

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Jen5en - 757 days 22 hours ago

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I disagreed due to you stressing that Xbox 360 versions ALWAYS look better. I think this all comes down to many other factors like developement resources, experience etc. Take a look at CoD4, and you'll see that both versions are completely identical.

By saying that every multiplatform game will always be better on X360, you are automatically taking sides, and can thus be percieved as a simple fanboy out to get attention.

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DarkSniper - 757 days 22 hours ago

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These pictures show absolute proof that Sony's PLAYSTATION 3 is the leader in next generation interactive technology. XBox 360's graphics shows that the hardware is a bit dated and is highly unlikely to catch up to the PS3's capability.

$niper

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The WildAttorney - 757 days 22 hours ago

9.1 - This Kind of Nonsense Needs to Be Smacked Down

In light of DarkSniper's comments, the following bears repeating (mind you, this is not my own commentary below)

The Playstation 3 can only display 275,000,000 polygons per second, compared to the 500,000,000 polygons per second of the Xbox 360.

That is the reason why games like John Madden Football 2008, NCAA Football 2008, All-Pro Football 2008, and many other games from EA Sports, 2K Sports, and so many others all run at 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360, but only 30 frames per second on the Playstation 3.

Gamespot specifically said in the review of those sports games: “The Xbox 360 versions run smoothly at 60 frames per second at 1080p resolution, while the Playstation 3 versions struggle to run at 30 frames per second at 720p resolution.”

It isn’t just sports games with that problem. Look at all the Tony Hawk Skating games, Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Double Agent, and F.E.A.R. They have frame rates that drop below 20 frames per second on the PS3 and go into slow motion it is so bad…even though the Xbox 360 versions have very smooth framerates.

Oblivion is NOW BETTER on the Xbox 360!!!

When Oblivion was released a year later on the PS3, it used a new shader design…that had NOTHING to do with hardware technology; it was just something put into the new version of the game as a software program. The download was released for the Xbox 360 later on, but the PS3 fanboys always pointed out, “But when you compare the actual discs, the PS3 one has some advantages (although the Xbox 360 version also has advantages, and was ALWAYS rated higher).

Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition is now available for the Xbox 360, and when you now compare Oblivion on the Xbox 360 to Oblivion on the PS3, there is NO DOUBT that the Xbox 360 version is significantly better; that is why it is rated higher!

The Playstation 3 version of Oblivon is a perfect example that what this man is saying about the Hard Drive of the PS3 being used to help out with memory limitations is NOT true. Consider the FACT that the Playstation 3 version of Oblivion does NOT allow the entire world to exist in the game at the same time, like the Xbox 360 version does. This is because of the Memory Bandwidth hardware bottleneck of the Playstation 3.

Also, when it comes to RAM, the Xbox 360 certainly DOES have fundamental advantages over the Playstation 3!

For example, the CPU of the PS3 can NEVER access more than 256MB of RAM at any point. The Xbox 360 CPU is free to access up to 512MB of RAM if there was a need. With the PS3, there are plenty of times when the CPU needs more than 256MB of RAM, and the Video-RAM of the PS3 is actually using less than 256MB of RAM, which means that if the PS3 had a Unified RAM environment–like the Xbox 360’s–then that unused Video-RAM could help the CPU, like it does on the Xbox 360. OBVIOUSLY, the Xbox 360 RAM design is much more flexible; it helps developers in ways that they enjoy working with.

Plus, it’s important to remember that the original design of the Playstation 3 called for the used of TWO Cell CPU processors–each with two Threads that could Send signals to the SPE subprocessors.

However, when Sony saw the design of the Xbox 360, and they saw how much better the Xbox 360 was, then Sony was forced to redesign the Playstation 3 very quickly in a way that hurt the PS3 system. This is nearly identical to what happened with Sega and the Saturn. Sega saw how much better the original PS1 was, and they were forced to quickly redesign the Saturn in a way that used parallel processing that was difficult to work with and was more expensive. This is EXACTLY what happened with the Playstation 3.

The original design of the PS3 was not even supposed to used a GPU, because it was going to have two of the Cell CPU processors. But when Sony saw the revolutionary ATI GPU in the Xbox 360 that was Custom designed for the Xbox 360, and was 1.5 years ahead of its time (since the PC didn’t see similar Unified Shader technology until January 30, 2007), then Sony was forced to removed one of the Cell CPUs in the PS3, and instead add a Nvidia GPU. But there was NOT time to custom design the GPU, so Sony was forced to included a four-year old generic GPU in the PS3. That is why people often point out the vast superiority of the Xbox 360 GPU.

Now that the PS3 only has one 3.2Ghz Cell CPU, it means that the PS3 has only two Threads capable of Sending signals to the six SPE sub-processors running parallel. Each of those six SPE processors is capable of Receiving a Threaded signal; however, the PS3 CPU is only capable of Sending two Threaded signals. This is where the hardware “bottleneck” of the PS3 reveals itself. Programmers often say that the PS3 has two arms (CPU Threads) that are trying to juggle six balls (SPE sub-processors). Obviously, that is NOT possible, and that is why the Playstation 3 hardware is such a BIG disappointment.

With the Xbox 360, Microsoft used a much newer and better form of technology. PCs often brag about their “dual-core” CPU design. The Xbox 360 actually takes that to the next level and used a “tri-core” CPU design, with each CPU using the most developer-favored videogame processor available–the PowerPC.

The Xbox 360 is literally the exact opposite when compared to the Playstation 3 in terms of hardware design and efficiency. The Xbox 360 has three 3.2Ghz CPUs, each with two Threads capable of Sending instructions. But the Xbox 360 doesn’t the outdated parallel processing environment of the PS3. There are no “sub-processors” to worry about with the Xbox 360. The signals can be focused on CPU and GPU commands. This literally means the Xbox 360 has six arms (CPU Threads) that are being asked to juggle only two balls (GPU and CPU functions).

THAT is why the developers absolutely LOVE the Xbox 360 and can design games so much more efficiently for the Xbox 360.

THAT is why games are released so much earlier for the Xbox 360.

THAT is why the overwhelming majority of Xbox 360 games offer better graphic and online performance on the Xbox 360.

THAT is NOT going to change!

It may be easier to port a PS3 game to the Xbox 360 than it is to port an Xbox 360 to the PS3 (since the Xbox 360 is more powerful in terms of videogame performance–500,000,000 polygons for the Xbox 360 is more than the 275,000,000 for the PS3), but the Xbox 360 will continue to be the Lead Platform this generation for two reasons:

(1) Because the Xbox 360 is so much easier for developers to develop games for and experiment with new types of gameplay.

(2) Because the Xbox 360 has sold over Eight-Million more systems than the Playstation 3, and that lead continues grow by hundreds of thousands of systems each month, in terms of Worldwide Sales.

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P4KY B - 757 days 22 hours ago

9.2 - LOL for Darksnipers comment

Be careful some of the 360 fans won't realise you are joking. (like The WildAttorney with his copy and paste response)

I'll give you a bubble.

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Jen5en - 757 days 21 hours ago

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@Dark Sniper and The WildAttorney

You two are the sad, yet funny, examples of how low human life can sink.

Although The WildAttorney ultimately takes the "Most-Girlfriend-Needing- Individual" -award of the year with his new bible, prophetizing why the Xbox 360 will lead us to the promised land.

Congratulations!

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andy001 - 757 days 21 hours ago

9.4 - hmmm..

I have seen this same information a number of times lately. It has no references and came from a comment posted here; http://www.product-reviews....

Anyone who cares to read through the comments on that post will see how biased and ill-informed it is. Here is a post showing tests between the Cell and the G80 which shows a significant performance benefit for the Cell;

http://gametomorrow.com/blo...

Here is one comment from the thread which again, is unreferenced, and is worth exactly the same as your source

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1) The XBox 360 design is bottlenecked. The GPU and CPU have to share one bus to the RAM. The PS3 has one bus to faster low latency XDR RAM and a seperate bus to the GDDR3 RAM. Roughly twice the bandwidth.

> PS3 can NEVER access more than 256MB of RAM at any point

2) It can both the CPU and GPU have access to both types of RAM.

> TWO Cell CPU processors–each with two Threads that could Send signals to the SPE subprocessors.

3) The PPE allows for 2 hardware threads and as many software thread the software developer wants, each SPE allow for 1 hardware thread and as many software threads the developer wants to create.

> Programmers often say that the PS3 has two arms (CPU Threads) that are trying to juggle six balls (SPE sub-processors). Obviously, that is NOT possible, and that is why the Playstation 3 hardware is such a BIG disappointment.

4)IBM tests already showed the SPEs can reach near 100% perfomance levels. So there’s no bottleneck.

> Each of those six SPE processors is capable of Receiving a Threaded signal

5)7 SPEs, one is currently used exclusively by the OS.

Just some things I wanted to point out to render the article useless and clueless. [end quote]

As you can see, the information you have posted is more than likely wrong, has no credible sources, and not even your own work.

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sajj316 - 757 days 22 hours ago

10 - not a fan of these comparisons but

I was intrigued to look at em. Everyone likes to compare. Its human nature. What it does expose is the inconsistency of ports. It does show the strengths and weaknesses of both system. It also shows the 'work in progress' view of porting 360/PC code to the PS3. I bet you'll see less of a difference in round 6 and going forward. Eurogamer should also look into the first part titles.

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Bullseye - 757 days 22 hours ago

11 - All such comparisons

Should, if approved at all, be blind comparisons i.e Let post the picture, but don't identify the source machine. Let all the fanboys have there say to which is best. Then, a couple of days later post with the source machine.Would be interesting to hear fanboys excuses why they picked the competetion!! :)

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kn - 757 days 22 hours ago

11.1 - That would be fun but...

We need to know that the person that is pulling the images isn't "tweaking" the pictures or selecting specific images for the benefit of or to the detriment of the other... It would be cool, though, to run a poll and see what comes up...

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judd - 757 days 21 hours ago

11.2 - Excellent idea

Bubbles for you

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ActlikeitaintIronman - 757 days 22 hours ago

12 - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thewildattorney is such a lier, go to wikipedia, the rsx kills 360 period, hahahahahahahahahahahaha 500,000,000? PS3 puts out a max of 750,000,000 a frame dude, let alone 5billion max out, verse 360's 3billion, ps3 has 8 CPUS, 360 only 3, do u know what cpu is, no u dont. The ram is a little issue because ps3 doesnt compress stuff, dude come with real facts. WHY DO XBOTS ALWAYS LIE

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Guardian0fPeace - 757 days 21 hours ago

12.1 - People on both sides lie...

Neither side is 100% made up of perfect little angels. I don't know where he got that info, I do remember reading something similiar before, but I do take it with a grain of salt, but wikipedia certainly ain't the Holy Bible either, anyone can submit their own stuff to it, that's why fewer and fewer teachers are allowing students to use it as a source for their research papers.

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Ju - 757 days 21 hours ago

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The guys writing the comparison doesn't obviously know what he's talking about. He claims "upscaling" all the time, where obviously a couple of games run native 1080. E.g. Transformers, Pirates and Harry Potter. This is pretty obvious, if you compare the 720p shots which look absolutely identical with the 1080p shots, where the 360 shots are basically upscaled and (HW) filtered, while the PS3 shots render without or lesser AA (pretty obvious in Pirates, no jaggies in 720p no AA in 1080p - this is not an upscaler effect, this is simple a different level of AA in the higher resolution). Also, Transformers runs stable a 1080, Pirates has real low fps, I haven't tried Harry Potter long enough to make a statement here (didn't feel to bad, though). The best is his "conclusion" that Harry renders in 2560x720 - an absolute "obscene" resolution for the PS3, because the a) the scaler cannot scale 720->1080 lines, and b) why the h..l would they waste memory bandwidth to render 2560 horizontal pixels! (and then still interpolate 720 to 1080).

A reporter should probably not pretend to be a developer and simply and clearly state his _opinion_ rather then coming up with this strange explanations.

Maybe he should have added another criteria, which is "360 Scaler Quality" which is good. We know that.

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Whoooop - 757 days 21 hours ago

15 - The WildAttorney..........

Another dumb xbot joins N4G.

-SLAP-

(Going with Neurotoxin with the -slap- theory).

Some people here need at least 10 slaps a day.

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Whoooop - 757 days 21 hours ago

15.2 - hmmmmm

I think we need to increase the amount of slaps to 15 a day...

at least for you.

haha a 360 fanboy talking crap... priceless

nap time... :)

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abg428 - 757 days 21 hours ago

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Ummmmm guys what is the big fuss over?? The only difference between the games is that it seems like color on th e360 is darker an dthe color on the ps3 is lighter. I saw NO difference in graphics, and those who state otherwise is OBVIOUSLY a hardcore, obnozious fanboy.

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Kareem - 757 days 21 hours ago

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While the 360 versions are more rich in colour, the PS3 version ain't looking that bad.

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SuperSaiyan4 - 757 days 21 hours ago

18 - Truth hurts

I know for a fact if all PS3 ports were superior to the 360 versions all you PS3 fans would be lapping it up.

Well there you have it, all Xbox 360 ports apart from 1 or 2 are better on the 360 and with better controls.

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gerrard - 757 days 20 hours ago

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You say ports are better on x360 eh?

Well I'm going to dispel those facts.

1. On the majority of games so far the x360 was the lead platform (not a port) and was ported onto Ps3 making the games look worse because those lazy devs couldn't be bothered to work on the Ps3's different architecture to make their games work properly.

2. If you look at Infinity Wards effort on COD4 (with the best graphics on any console so far) not only did the Ps3 manage match the x360 efforts but surpass it (if only slightly) because of the dedication they gave to the Ps3 architecture, so in future expect more like this to happen when developers get better tools and learn more about the Ps3.

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karlostomy - 757 days 19 hours ago

18.2 - haha..

gerrard.

you are right. COD4 has proven that the PS3 is capable of nearly equal 360 performance albeit with *slightly* jaggier textures. ( http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

But at what cost?
Is it up to the developers to put in EXTRA effort to get the SAME result for the PS3?

Developers might not be so happy about all that...
PS3 = More effort, same result, less sales, less profit.
Brought to you by Sony.

If I was a developer i'd.... oh wait... you know the answer already.
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edit at below:

Meh! Of course 360 fans lap it up. FOr them it's a WIN-WIN.
Better games = more sales = more dev support = better games = more sales.....

It really is a good thing.

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jackdoe - 757 days 18 hours ago

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However, 360 fanboys like you are lapping it up. Lose lose either way.

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Vip3r - 757 days 20 hours ago

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Great, more flamebait, just what this site is needing.

Unless you have both versions running next to each other you won't notice the difference.

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tk - 757 days 20 hours ago

20 - Just stop this crap - it is not news anymore

It was news when there was doubts if the PS3 is really more powerful. Now it caught up, and is surpassing - even if only marginally enough to ignore. So the early ports the XB360 win, and now the PS3 is winning slightly. Woohoo. Yippee. Great. Shalom. Now stop posting this crap.

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The WildAttorney - 757 days 19 hours ago

20.1 - The PS3 is graphically more powerful? Can I have what you're smoking?

Did you even read the article? Most of the games look and play better on the Xbox 360. Sony fanboys are living in their own private Idaho.

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Martini - 757 days 19 hours ago

20.2 -

Arguing with fanboys is like banging your head against a wall, like i said draw a circle and PS fanboy will look at it and proclaim it's a square :)

This is Living = private Idaho welcomes you! hahaha

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Danega_Sciphor - 757 days 20 hours ago

21 - yo IRONMAN is right you douches, damn xbots always lying

btw sence when has wikipedia stirred you wrong

PORNFLAKES YOU IDIOT
7 cpus is more than 3
RSX produces 750000000 max out idiot, 360 only 500000000
resevered cpu is the rsx have you seen the xenon

YOU JUST OWNED YOURSELF

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Martini - 757 days 19 hours ago

21.1 -

You just owned yourself kiddo it's One CPU with 7 SPE - at leats get your facts straight.
Back to private Idaho with you!

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ActlikeitaintIronman - 757 days 19 hours ago

22 - YO danega is this n*gga really tryin to rash oh god yo

Yo come on pornflakes you want a cooky for OWNING YOURSELF, you dont know jack dude, first off:
PS3 has 8 CPUS in the processor itself, no substitutes, 360 only 3
PS3 uses RSX, max dot output, 51 billion, 360 is like 30 or 20
The ram is 256MB on different pools, which is weak while 360 has the full 512MB, but ps3 has uncompressed space and is proven to give quality, no duh, whats compression, thought so
BLURAY is 1080P automatic output, 360 cant put out 1080P because you need a harddrive for it, how many developers know if you have a harddrive?

YOUVE JUST BEEN PWNED
dont try it again

PLAY BEYOND

UNDER ME:
DUDE YOUR AN XBOT YOU DUNNO WHAT YOU ARE TALKIN ABOUT, they said it was easier stupid not better, and YES IT DOES HAVE 8, are that retarded to fgure it out? welcome to my ignore list you little idiot
JUMP IN MS's BULLSH*T

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The WildAttorney - 757 days 19 hours ago

22.1 - You're an embarrasment to Sony Fanboys (and that's saying a lot)

Your post is so full of lies. There is only 1 CPU in the PS3, not 8. Just about every impartial engineer has stated that the Xbox 360 graphics card is superior to the PS3 card. The Xbox 360 has almost as many titles that are natively 1080p as the PS3. Keep spouting Sony lies. It's so laughable.

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BLACKJACK VII - 757 days 11 hours ago

22.2 -

LMAO !!!

WildAttorney, bubbles 4 u. If I ever need litigation, I'm callin' you !

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