The Hardcore: "Wii Remote sucks"

rtonaey - 46 days 22 hours ago

The the Wii remote sucks, the wand will suck and natal will follow suit;

Gamers don't want to sweat their butts off just to play a game that's supposed to give them satisfaction.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, This motion thing while inspiring, will go the way of the Dinosaur. It's FAIL!

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HolyOrangeCows - 46 days 19 hours ago

LOL, Nintendo fanboy alert!

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Ju - 46 days 19 hours ago

Nobody will play shooters on the PS3 with the wand. No idea how MS will "force" people to use Natal. But I doubt that all of a sudden the traditional controllers will disappear. Its just a "me too". Nobody want's it (I can see it for some games, but certainly not for shooters).

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kunit22c - 46 days 18 hours ago

rtonaey, if you ever break a sweat using the Wii remote your are waaaaaaay out of shape.

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bishop-br - 46 days 17 hours ago

Nobody will say a thing about PS3 and 360 motion controls because those aren't primary control system. The only games you'll see using those are games designed to play with it, specially in the first wave we'll see game that exist purely to justify these controls, more rarely we'll see games that work with both classic and motion controls, but a good chunk of those will be cash cows like RE5, to sell a second copy of the game for those with motion control devices, even through it could be a patch.

Ninty f*ed it up when they only think of themselves and how their in house developers wanted and was ready to use a unique form of control that would make their casual crap even more popular. I'm pretty sure Ninty didn't have gone through the research with thirdy party devs or they would have Wii bundled with both Wiimote and a classic pad, because the truth is hardcore developers don't want to use motion controls for all of their games, some would never ever want to use it, some like to develop games that don't fit motion controls. I'm pretty sure that even developers like Myiamoto and Yoshio never were asked how would they like having motion controls for primary control scheme, I doubt even those had the option to focus on classic controls for Zelda ou Metroid.

Don't get me wrong, there are good motion controlled games on the Wii, but it's not media or third party devs fault they are forced to use motion controls and I think we can all agree many of Wii games would feel better over classic controls... Blame it on Ninty!

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Shnazzyone - 46 days 17 hours ago

I just came in here because I thought it was an anti-wii article based on the title. Now that I realize it's an editorial on the plain bias of the Game Informer review and the superiority of playing pointer based fps over dual analog I am angry! I'm gonna troll now!

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WiiJunkii - 46 days 12 hours ago

I have lived through Wolfenstein, Doom, Goldeneye, Duke Nukem, Redneck Rampage, Hexen, Quake(s), Half Life(s) Unreal(s), Team Fortress(s) Halo(s), 85,000 War Sims... even Chex Quest (That would be the FPS that came inside of Chex Cereal Boxes >:P )

I play PC games, and I have owned just about every console released in the US since the 2600...
I need to preface this next statement with one disclaimer... I think the title of "hardcore gamer" is for R-Tards, and I wouldn't want to be associated with those blind little snots who wear that sh*t on their sleeves.

Here Goes...
For Aiming/Cursor Movement:
A customizable Wii-Remote is a small step behind a customizable Mouse. Dual-Analogue is a large step behind both.

For Character Movement:
WASD is not as precise as an Analogue Stick.

Thats really all there is to it...

You may now disagree and take my bubbles.

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scissor_runner - 46 days 11 hours ago

The funny thing is it will be forced. Success forces every thing and I hear epic is working on some thing big. Red steel 2 is worth the wAit pc mouse controls are the beSt yet wii mote is one of the best ways to controll 3d and 2d games.

Another thing is the controller works just fine side ways. Playing paper Mario is just like the 2d version unroll you point the remote At the tv. You guys Are really missing out on the magic and the sheer fun on learning excite truck controls or flying a plane to bomb the other squad on bwii.

Nmh is another reason and it keeps on going and it's not going to stop.

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Product - 47 days ago

Agreed, waggle was never a great idea. It was used well in games like NMH and Madworld, but just shaking the remote is not immersive imo.

Glad to see more games lately using it more wisely.

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SpoonyRedMage - 47 days ago

Yer, they used it sparingly but compare them to game like Soul Calibur: Legends or even the port of Okami, you have to attack ALOT and yet they tied attacks to the motion controls instead of a button... not a good idea.

I don't think any of the recent games I've played have used waggle like that but there is an increase in use of the pointer...

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Chris399 - 46 days 23 hours ago

Whatever the name of that action/ rpgish sorta one was for the Wii.

That game made your wrist ACHE like nothing else. It was all waggle. Brutal on the forearms. And this wasn't any Wii Motion Plus stuff either, just pure, spastic flailing.

But yes, the pointer interface is remarkable. The waggle not so much.

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Shnazzyone - 46 days 17 hours ago

Soul Caliber was very much "shake it like a british nanny!" game in it's battles. God I hated that.

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sidar - 46 days 23 hours ago

Bad control implementation = bad control implementation.
Not just for the Wii-mote. Goes for any controller.

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Smacktard - 45 days 21 hours ago

Oh, of course. I was going to say that, but I thought it would be implied. But I think it goes without saying that the Wii suffers from terrible control implementation more so than any other console. Again, not technically a fault of the Wiimote, but of lazy/stupid developers.

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ndpad - 46 days 22 hours ago

It is funny how many peopel prolly think this is a negative article against the Wii....until the read it. :)

I agree with you btw.

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Ju - 46 days 19 hours ago

I can't see that. At least not for the PS3. I can somehow agree with the "Natal fanboys" (lol). MS rides the hype train and they follow suite. PS3 wand is an option, not a requirement (that said, it will have the least success out of the three because it won't be forced).

And, until that's out, PS3 won't need the wand anymore anyways.

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sidar - 46 days 17 hours ago

" I can't see that. At least not for the PS3. I can somehow agree with the "Natal fanboys" (lol). MS rides the hype train and they follow suite. PS3 wand is an option, not a requirement"

Actually some games shall be dedicated to the Wand, just like some games are dedicated to the eye-toy.
Speaking of which, you need an eye-toy.

So no i disagree, it goes for both sides.

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Ju - 46 days 14 hours ago

Sure thing. Like some games are dedicated to the wii-fit board or Buzz-Quiz or Guitarr Hero or Rockband.

But that's nothing new. Those games will either require a new peripheral or will possibly be bundled with it. But that's doesn't mean it will be bundled with the console itself. If that would be the case, it would be either Wand/Natal - or controller (basically because of cost reasons). This won't fly, I am certain.

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sidar - 46 days 20 hours ago

" maybe because its not aimed toward the hardcore ???? "

And you know this how?
I have the idea that people like you think that the control interface needs to be difficult to to be "hardcore".
People like you have no sense for control interfaces.

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bishop-br - 46 days 16 hours ago

Au contrair... Hardcore controls are totally functional, as easy to access as possible, ergonimic and quick layout. That's the reason we use buttoms instead of imprecise movement track.

That said, Wiimote can be aimed at hardcores, but for games that work well with it only.

You can't get a hack'n'slash player, that is used with the best games of the industry for the last ten year, to play waggling around or pointing at what he wants to kill. The same goes for fighting, sports or platforming games, fans will feel it feeling awkward.

But if you try MMORPG or strategy fans, they will probably prefer the pointer and fewer buttom presses to a game pad any day. Point and click adventures and many "mini games" work very well too.

Some genres, like FPS, RPG, Adventure and Racing, won't necessarily gain or loose anything from motion, so I doubt hardcores would have a problem directly with it, just up to good old preference.

The problem here, regardless of hardcore or casual, is that Wiimote don't work wonders with everything like ninty and some here would like to belive. Pads and K&M suffer the same problem, just on a smaler scale, they sometimes don't feel right but not usually make anything unplayable or realy unconfortable to play.

If you sum up this bigger dead zone the motion controls present, the fact that it work perfectly with most so called casual games, stupid prejudice and the fact that Ninty made motion controls a requirement, you can clearly see why the so called hardcore "hate" the Wii, but it's really not a case of "Wiimote being aimed at casuals" as it's "Ninty screwed up by making it a requirement".

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WiiJunkii - 46 days 12 hours ago

Every time I shoot them bi***es in the face in MoH Heroes, and The Conduit... and I gotta say it's painfully accurate and tactilly satisfying to point at something and shoot it.

that was an... um... play on "Wii-Remote is not Aimed at the Hardcore"

sorry...

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sidar - 45 days 23 hours ago

"Hardcore controls are totally functional,"

This is the problem, they are not hardcore controllers, they were all made with the idea of unintuitive input that was best at that time era. They never did this for " hardcore gamers "

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Goomba12 - 45 days 22 hours ago

First you say "I don't know anyone who said that, and back when the nes was released there wasn't internet to browse or gaming mags to buy, so who is he basing this off? His friend who said it"

If you were around and of age when the Famicon first hit the scene you would know that everyone still thought the joystick was the end all be all of gaming control. Everyone played in arcades, and that is why Nintendo even released the NES Advantage because they knew the joystick was still the preferred input of choice. Hell even the first Metroid commercial for NES had the player playing with the NES Advantage joystick because that game was aimed at the "hardcore" of the time, not kids and families.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The Nes had such a kid friendly appeal back in the 80's that EA at the time refused to back it and went the way of computer gaming.
You have to remember that arcades were where video gaming started and the first arcaes used the joystick. Thinking that the dpad was universally praised when first released on a home console would be a little niave. It seemed alright when it first appeared on the Game and Watch collections due to them being the first handhelds really at the time.

"Yes, i would much have a dual analog controller, and wii's impact on gaming. Hmmm, okay. If motion controls are so fantastic then why do wii fanboys bash sony's wand and natal so much. Because those are obviously inspired from what nintendo has done. So motion control for all games must be a good thing right?? Oh, no it's not??? Hmmm, oh i see, it's only good when it's on the wii...."

The paragraph you responded to had more to due with Game Informer editors hating wii controls and that bias lowering the score of wii reviews because of it.

Obviously analog controls are still relevant as the Wii nunchuk has one, but you have to admit that most motion controls games would be awesome if the controls were implemented better than most games are.
That is where the Wii is a mixed bag.

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RROD Service_Rep - 46 days 20 hours ago

which is followed by the controller less natal, which will suck more than both

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Trevorthenerd - 46 days 17 hours ago

You own a wii do you?

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