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How to Spot a Biased, Research-Free Article

As many N4G readers know by now Valve is forbidden to have an opinion on the basis that they are a video game developer.

Some have even noted that when an employee like Chet Faliszek says something controversial in a one on one interview, all 190 employees that make up the company also state the same quotations and in fact uninvolved founder Gabe Newell somehow said them both louder and previous to anyone else. Of course, his weight and what people plan on doing to his wife are both integral parts of the comments in question.

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0.1 TheBand1t | 51 days 19 hours ago - deleted by mod -

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kws1065 - 51 days 20 hours ago

1 - OFF THE TOPIC but...

the picture tells me why Valve talks like that lol

Lazy greedy fat ass...

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MEGATRON D - 51 days 20 hours ago

1.1 - Ow, ouch and...

... damn.

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Briefcase Joe - 51 days 20 hours ago

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N4G is filled with duplicate articles and reviews. The same thing said 100 times. 100 articles and 100 reviews for everthing. Either change the approved/denied system or live with the current one. I skip over most of the BS on this site. Everyone else should too.

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Godmars290 - 51 days 20 hours ago

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Think the fact that we're hearing these comments, said from the heads of the company, seen nothing for the PS3, speaks more volumes than any Examiner article.

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Pandamobile - 51 days 20 hours ago

3.1 -

Chet Faliszek isn't really anywhere near the top at Valve. He's a writer for christ's sake.

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v1c1ous - 51 days 20 hours ago

3.2 - why do they have to have something for ps3?

why don't you just come out and say it "we want valve made games on the ps3. we don't want sloppy seconds"

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Godmars290 - 51 days 20 hours ago

3.3 - @v1c1ous

They don't. But if they keep talking negatively about the console, instead of just saying they don't want to make a game for it, it would be nice if they could show some actual experience with it.

And no, I personally don't want any sloppy seconds from a company that has open contempt for the system they'd be putting it on.

@Pandamobile:
Meh, then find me someone who works at Valve who at the very least has said something neutral about the PS3.

Hell, as a writer how does he have any right giving an opinion about networks?

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Pandamobile - 51 days 20 hours ago

3.4 -

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Valve's marketing guy. His job is to be neutral.

Edit: I dunno, that's all I could..

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Elven6 - 51 days 19 hours ago

3.5 -

Just because they haven't released a retail game on the PS3 doesn't mean they haven't worked on or had experiences on the PS3. They could have tried stuff on the PS3 internally at Valve or even looked over The Orange Box PS3 source code.

Plenty of Sony exclusive developers haven't touched 360 or Wii hardware yet they make claims like "only possible on PS3", same goes for 360 and Wii developers in the same boat.

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Pandamobile - 51 days 19 hours ago

3.6 -

You make an excellent point, Eleven.

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jmare - 51 days 18 hours ago

3.7 - @ Elven

I think there is a difference between talking up your game and the platform it's on and flat out saying this platform is bullshit and this other one is better.

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Elven6 - 51 days 18 hours ago

3.8 -

Jmare: Some examples,

http://gamer.blorge.com/200...

http://forums.exophase.com/...

http://ve3d.ign.com/article...

http://multiplayerblog.mtv....

They make comparisons to other consoles, be they small ones or more aggressive ones. Some are more logical while other more on the technical side of things, one that would require some knowledge of how the hardware works. Now of course on a site like this thanks to the fanboy problem you would only get criticized and called a "lazy dev", liar, etc if you say something can't be done on the PS3, many different developers from all over the place, exclusive or not make these kinds of statements, the problem is only some are bashed while others are canonized, at least on this site.

On the Valve topic, I do agree it sucks that PS3 owners aren't able to experience Valve games for what ever reason at times they are a bit harsh. Just because other developers do it [ie make similar statements about consoles] doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Another thing that just came to me is GDC, a place where developers get together, attend seminars, etc that teach other developers how they can make better games not only on a technical aspect but storywise, art wise, etc.

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jmare - 51 days 18 hours ago

3.9 - Elven

I agree that developers do call out other platforms when making their claims, but out of those you posted, at least from the PS3 side, the developers are basing it on technical specs and the architecture of the Cell and the fact that the code wouldn't run if put onto the 360 as is. Valve so far is the only developer that has called the PS3 bullshit and a waste of time. There is a difference between the two. There is a way to sell yourself without being a total asshat.

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Godmars290 - 51 days 16 hours ago

3.10 - "Just because they haven't released a retail game on the PS3 doesn't mean they haven't worked on or had experiences on the PS3."

That they wont even confirm that they worked on the Orange Box, couldn't be bothered to do patches and fixes like for the PC and 360 version of the game, their whole current attitude, strongly suggest that any experience they might have is very limited if it exists at all.

And once again, though PS3-only devs make the typical PR claims, they don't call the 360 or Wii outright inferior. Will always have the space card to play even with an 8GB title.

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The Lazy One - 51 days 14 hours ago

3.11 - @godmars

how is claiming a single console outright superior different from claiming the other two are inferior?

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Godmars290 - 51 days 13 hours ago

3.12 - "how is claiming a single console outright superior different from claiming the other two are inferior?"

No one except Valve is saying that. QD may say HR is a good fit on the PS3, but they don't talk (bad) about the 360. Not even Turn 10 attacks the PS3 much less GT, just claim that their game is its successor.

Its also generally understood that the Wii can't handle PS3/360 games, but considering its sales it can hardly be called inferior.

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dreamcast - 51 days 4 hours ago

3.13 - @vicious

'why don't you just come out and say it "we want valve made games on the ps3. we don't want sloppy seconds"'

I guess the same reason Valve won't come out and say "we have a good relationship with MS and choose to solely develop on their platforms". Seriously, why don't they say this and leave it alone? Insomniac, Sucker Punch, and probably several others say it about Sony. I really don't see the difference between the smack that Valve has talked about PS3 and the bile that PS3 fanboys have talked about L4D. Both groups are grounded in some pretty backwards fanboy logic.

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Pandamobile - 51 days 4 hours ago

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Valve doesn't have much of a relationship with Microsoft, at least not in the way Insomniac does with Sony. They don't make PC games because of Microsoft. They make PC games because it's an open platform and that lets them do things the way they want. Gabe's gone on rants about Vista and the 360 too, not just the PS3.

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Myth-Psn - 51 days 20 hours ago

4 - No, This article...

Twists what people were angry about.They weren't angry about the statement about xbox live,but that it was the reason that was given for it not being on ps3.Clearly that isn't why, as the ps3 has a very successful and robust online gaming network, and it is an insult to sonys service, which is free, to give it as the reason for not releasing it on the platform, Entitled to their opinion?Yes, but don't lie and wrongfuly run down a service, which this guy at least knew nothing about, in what seems he said in an arrogant way. "Xbox live is head and shoulders above psn" "am i right"?

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ultimolu - 51 days 20 hours ago

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Exactly, it sounded arrogant. That was the annoying part. Nobody's attacking this guy for having an opinion. It's the way he worded it. How could they say XBL is head and shoulders above PSN *if* they never programmed a game for the PS3 or PSN? I don't care for extra features. PSN does what a free online system should do-provide freedom for my games.

That's what matters to me.

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Strikepackage Bravo - 51 days 19 hours ago

4.2 - So you

are going to presume to tell us why Valve didn't develop a game for PS3 better than Valve can tell us.

You say PSN is free but that is the very reason Valve refuses to deal with it, Sony shifted all the costs from the consumer to the developer. So on the PSN the developers have to do all the work in getting the community features up to par. On live that work is done, PSN is a pain in the arse just like the rest of PS3 development is for developers, so he was telling the truth, you guys need to deal with it.

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ultimolu - 51 days 18 hours ago

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Bravo, you just hate the PS3. So if Valve knows best, then why other developers haven't shunned the PS3 or PSN?

If Valve prefers not to work with the PS3 or PSN, that's fine but they need to learn when to shut their mouths. It still doesn't give them the right to attack the PS3 or it's features.

Do you see Bungie ganging up on the PS3 or PSN? No. They prefer to work with the PS3.

But you go right ahead Valve defender. Defend them with ever fiber of your being.

I salute you!

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ultimolu - 51 days 10 hours ago

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And I am not proven wrong! Actually, I meant they would prefer working with the 360.

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CLANCY BROWN - 51 days 4 hours ago

4.5 - so now having an opinion is rude?- overly sensitive children

xbox live is heads and shoulders above psn. The community is much more lively and engaged.There is a gaming culture on xbl. Not so much on psn.

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Nitrowolf2 - 51 days 20 hours ago

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Valve is a great company for making games. But the things they say are pretty hateful toward PS3. I mean wouldn't it just be easy for them to just say a real reason that they don't develope for ps3. Its there company they could do what ever they want with it, thats the truth. But i mean how come allot of article lately when they are spoken 2 they have to sneak something in that attacks the ps3. Honestly thats just ruins your reputation with sony fanboys, i would have allot more respect if they sat there and just developed games for 360/pc and not say anything rather then attack every chance you get. So the online communtity thing, Couldn't they just say something like" The reason we like to develope games is because we want to bring people together and have a fun time, rather then say you know what. I still like the games valve make, i think they made counterstrike wich is one of my and still favorite game for PC of all time. I don't care that they only are doing Pc and 360, i can get over that, but i saying that there are allot of company that also do PC games with only ps3 or 360 but they don't sit there and try to diss the other system. Like i said i like Valve games, but the company has lost my respect.

But i think i said it somewhere, valve can develope for any console they choose, only issue i got is that they don't need to diss the other ones. If they dev for ps3 and pc only (or even PC only) and diss the 360(and ps3) that still would not be right for them, i don't think its right for any devs to do that, it only makes them looks bad if they don't give a clear and resonable reason on why they don't.

@some of the comment above about valve saying things: Thats not the only thing they said about the ps3, The reason why fanboys probaly have issue with it is awhile back i beleive gabe just said he doesn't like the ps3 at all. Im not sure if he said that, if someone can correct me please do.

Edited again: Look at post 1.8 those are the reason why most ps fanboy are hating on valve

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pixelsword - 51 days 20 hours ago

6 - "How to Spot a Biased, Research-Free Article"

Go to examiner.com

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Myth-Psn - 51 days 20 hours ago

7 - Alpha-Male22,

Really? I didn't know the psn has less players, can you back that statement up with facts?If i remember corectly there was more PSN accounts than xbox live accounts per million ps3 users, And now i could imagine with the recent boost the psn has moved ahead of live users.Thats to be expected of course, all ps3 owners can "jump in" and play online free of charge, instantly strayight out of the box.Even if PSN had less players, that still doesnt make it a "inferior" online system.

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Unicron - 51 days 20 hours ago

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It's been run into the ground, but THIS is what bugs me -

No, Valve's opinion doesn't matter becuase they talk trash about the PS3 and HAVE NEVER DEVELOPED A GAME ON IT.

You don't want to dev on it, don't dev on it. But then don't comment on it either. That's just my two cents peoples.

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ultimolu - 51 days 20 hours ago

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Oh crap, you made sense. :T

That is not allowed my friend. This is N4G!

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kraze07 - 51 days 14 hours ago

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If they didn't comment on it wouldn't we be asking why they won't dev for it?

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jmare - 51 days 20 hours ago

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I'm really beginning to wonder why Valve gets so much love any more. I understand why they don't want to make games on the PS3: Because they would have to redo their Source engine. They have been di<king around with that thing for years.

And it's getting to the point where their games seem like nothing more than elaborate HL2 mods. They're entitled to their opinion, but until they actually grow a pair and work with the PS3, their opinion is worthless because they have nothing other than their own personal biases to base it on.

EDIT: I like how you assume I've never played a Valve game because I must be a PS3 only fanboy. I remember playing the first HL and it was actually good. Then Valve made the source engine and they haven't done a fuking thing since. Seriously. All of the games they have done sine HL2 look like they could have been mods, which, technically, they are. The engine hasn't changed in how many years? They've tweaked it, sure, but they haven't really done anything out of their comfort zone and yet people praise them like they're geniuses when all the have done is take from the mod community for the last decade.

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Strikepackage Bravo - 51 days 19 hours ago

9.1 - Um they get love

because they make great games for PC and Xbox 360, you see not everyone is completely obsessed with the Playstation 3, those of us who don't own one, could care less about them developing on it or not, so why shouldn't we respect Valve, they are still making great games for other platforms.

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baraka007 - 51 days 20 hours ago

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Bias = I don't agree with you... everyone knows that unless they are bias ;)

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Saaking - 51 days 20 hours ago

10.1 -

No, bias means you favor one thing over another when you should treat both equal.

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00 - 51 days 19 hours ago

10.2 - oh nigel...

I disagree *vroom*

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jmare - 51 days 19 hours ago

10.3 - No,

3 a : bent, tendency b : an inclination of temperament or outlook; especially : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment : prejudice c : an instance of such prejudice

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TheBand1t - 51 days 19 hours ago

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I do kinda agree. Can get a little out of hand at times.

Still, why should you care what Valve says? I stopped caring what people thought about me in the 3rd grade. I'm sure as heck not gonna lose any sleep over what a company says about my console of choice.

Besides. Valve games play 10x better on a PC.

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Myth-Psn - 51 days 19 hours ago

13 - Strikepackage Bravo ,

That "reason" given by valve is pure BS, It isnt stopping FFXIV coming to ps3, and maybe only ps3, as square enix is having difficulties with microsoft over its live system.Microsoft charges consumers aswell as developers to host on live and set up servers, so dont give me that BS about PSN costing more for the developers, they just give them more independance to do what they wish, And any dev who would actually despise that and not release their game on the ps3 is just a fanboy at heart.Valves real disdain for the ps3 comes from its difficult architechture, and their belief that sony used difficult architecture in order to alienate other systems in favour of ps3, not this BS about inferior online, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watc... ,a little into it.

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Pandamobile - 51 days 18 hours ago

13.1 -

Yeah, and for Valve, a PC developer, working with the PS3 would hail no benefits to the PC side of development. At least with the 360, it uses a similar CPU architecture to PC and it helped Valve jump in to better multi threading their games.

If the PS3 had the PC-similar CPU architecture, and the 360 had the overly complex hybrid CPU, guess what console Valve's games would be on.

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Halo3 MLG Pro - 51 days 19 hours ago

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How to Spot a Biased, Research-Free Article?

Well for one stay away from sites like the Examiner which is essentially a blog.

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Figboy - 51 days 19 hours ago

15 - not even Id Software, a PC-centric developer,

and favorer of Microsoft consoles, has spewed the level of vitriol towards the PS3 as Valve has.

i hold John Carmack's opinion WAAAAAAY over Valve's opinion of the PS3. why? because Id and Carmack are actually DEVELOPING a game on the Playstation 3, and have at least given the rather complex architecture a spin.

i could understand Valve saying they'd prefer to develop for the PC and 360 because it's what they know, but why the hate towards the PS3? how is that proving their point either way?

PS3 fans aren't angry or bitter they aren't getting Left4Dead (which is what the gaming media likes to twist it to), we're upset because Valve is constantly insulting the PS3 and it's userbase when it's not called for.

a simple: "We aren't developing games for the PS3 because we are a PC/Xbox 360 centric developer," would have sufficed.

insulting the online community by implying that they don't play together, and calling the PS3 "trash," saying Sony should have pulled it from the shelves and apologized is a totally different matter.

Carmack from Id may have his personal preference for Microsoft consoles and the PC platform, but when he criticizes the PS3 he does it with honesty, and, more importantly, FIRST HAND experience with the PS3 SDK's and it's features.

Valve didn't even do The Orange Box on the PS3, preferring instead to have EA farm it out to a dev to port it.

they're opinion of the PS3 holds no weight, and is not needed. the Playstation 3 has proven itself the past 3 years as an incredible gaming console, with games that are, quite literally, and inarguably, the most impressive in the industry from a game design standpoint, to a technical standpoint (point to a game on any other platform non-PC that is as technically advanced as Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2; you CAN'T; it's EXPECTED for the PC to have cutting edge tech, but not consoles. the PS3 is cutting edge. FACT).

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CrizzleC24 - 51 days 17 hours ago

17 - N4G is the Fox News for Playstation Fanboys *Read the whole thing before flaming*

I remember when this site was actually three different sites ps3news wiinews 360news

It merged into N4G and I was fine with that, I thought it'd be more universal

This site used to be civil

This site used to be for N4G (news for gamers)

Somewhere around 06-07 a lot of ps3 users started to push big time until 360 users bowed out of the flame war.

Wii users....well they always behave, I dont even know if there is a such thing as a Wii flame war

Now sadly N4G has become news 4 playstation users.

N4G has become something very sad and I wish we could all just be separated into the old websites, unless something changes big time.

I google'd n4g and if you notice results even the INTERNET agrees

In fact google image search N4G and you'll get an even better picture of what goes on here on a constant basis...

I am a wii603 (yes all three)

and I have little to no faith in this site anymore (dont believe me? check my user account activity on n4g)

better yet check my bubbles

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Blaine - 51 days 17 hours ago

17.1 - You can think whatever you want, but

Your comment firmly makes you a 360 fanboy. Blaming PS3 fanboys for a site's community's turning to sh!t is pathetic.

People like you who blame PS3 fanboys just don't seem to understand or remember how AWFUL the PS3 bashing was when the console was launched. It came from left, right, and center. EVERY media outlet was bashing the PS3 for NO REASON whatsoever other than propaganda and poor research.

So, naturally, PS3 fans had to fight back hard, and we did. The hate was BAD, but we weren't gonna bend over and take it and let our console get bashed unfairly. So don't blame us for responding to the media's insults and the 360 userbase specifically.

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CrizzleC24 - 51 days 17 hours ago

17.2 - If you practiced what you preached...

Clearly you are a Sony fanboy

You talk about your fight against Ps3 bashing in the early years, and yet after the Ps3fanboys won, the 360 still gets bashed here along with the wii.

I would say "We should all..." but since 360 users have fled this site. I am saying Sony Fanboys should be more like wii fanboys....

Peaceful restrained and not falling/created into flamewars

Sony fanboys are yelling at nothing, there is little to no xbox or wii users on this site anymore,those that are dont log in because we will be flamed, worse yet even owning a ps3 wont keep the flamewars from starting

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lavitz - 51 days 13 hours ago

17.3 - N4G is the Fox News for Playstation Fanboys *Read the whole thing before flaming*

Sad but true.

@ Blaine- Dude look around you. Read the comments people post on this site and it's pretty clear who the majority of people are loyal to.

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ultimolu - 51 days 10 hours ago

17.4 -

You're kidding me, right? This was 360 fan land when I first came here. Couldn't say anything positive about the PS3 without being attacked. It has no games! Online sucks! Sony sucks!

But whatever, what do I know anyway?

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Soda Popinsky - 51 days 14 hours ago

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Cry beyond.

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