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Why does Uncharted 2 have to be… so lame?

A look at the stark narrative, but lovely everything else in the PS3 hit Uncharted 2.
MisterMarston - contributor
Published: 46 days 1 hour ago | Article | PlayStation 3 | Gaming
 
 

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Chadness - 46 days 13 hours ago
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I do indeed love it when people try to put words in my mouth. It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

I did say that I understood the concept that the author of the article was trying to get across, did I not? That concept plagues more games than just Uncharted 2. I can almost guarantee if he wrote the article as a general statement against any game that had such narrative issues, people wouldn't be giving it such a fuss, but oh no, don't name games specifically or the fanboys will come out of the woodwork and gobble you up for dinner in all their nerd rage!

I have a feeling half these comments come from people who didn't even read the story - they saw the title and had a hissy fit. It would be nice to get some civilized discussion here, for once, how is that hard to do?
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paul0388 - 46 days 11 hours ago
0.2 - Really???
You haven't played Uncharted 2, but you approved this article??? Wow, you have fanboy written all over you, because if you did play it, you wouldn't have approved it, you would have reported it...
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Nike - 46 days 1 hour ago
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@paul:

I haven't played it, but approved this story since it didn't conflict with the guidelines. And Dualshockers is hardly some "no-name blog". If you love the game so much, and truly believe it deserves the credit it gets, then you won't try to censor any negative opinions that come up about it, no matter how "Lame" they may be.
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BROOKLYN N-M-E - 46 days 1 hour ago
0.4 - Agreed
these guys are definitely no Hip Hop Gamer!
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Sarcasm - 46 days 1 hour ago
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"While I haven’t played Uncharted 2"

There's no need for a civil discussion when that phrase alone shows how much your opinion is downright ignorant.
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mastiffchild - 45 days 18 hours ago
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Exactly sarcasm. Not having played the game AND then approving this tripe means you must have an alterior motive(or are unfortunate enough to know the fool who wrote this tripe-someone who clearly hasn't played many games recently seeing as one of the very best narratives and acting performances in recent memory is "lame" to him while other games with awful or lacking stories that are also acted badly go unchallenged. Games I like like Gears(1 and 2), Halo(2 and 3),RE5, Prototype-even inFAMOUS have stories and acting well below the level of U2 and I'm not even bringing up the woeful dialogue in ODST!)and you must admit that.

If you haven't played it you're in a position of total ignorance about the subject-but you aren't about the well known fact that games aren't written by Chekov, or are you labouring under the misconception that they are written by some hidden cabal of the world's greatest living and dead writers? D'you think Shakespeare and Sallinger are holed up somewhere working their nails to the bone for Epic or EA? Do you imahine that the game about Dante's Inferno was actually written by Dante?

That you come here and defend approving through ignorance(and I can only assume through misguided hatred of a game on a system you don't favour getting some deserved praise)is laughable and makes you look a little slow if I'm honest.

"I haven't played the game but I can approve this because I know the kind of thing he's driving at", what? Then approve a piece about the normally crap state of games and their stories and not about ne of the few to buck the trend written by someone with a clear axe to grind as lumping yourselves in with his nonsense makes you twice as ignorant."I only thought it was fair for different opinions thanhe norm to be approved". Did you? Did you really? Sorry, but I don't believe that for a second. Why would anyne align themselves with a controversial opinion about a widely respected game when they haven't played it to get their own? MMm? Maybe, again, because they haven't played it because they don't have/like the PS3? Or, even sadder, because they want to upset those that did enjoy it(around 99% of those who played the game btw)?

Honestly, I've never read such a weak defense of approving such a lame, hit seeking article. Dualshockers are always ragging on the PS3 anyway and deserve nothing but scorn for their continued bias and the indelible stain of pi55 they left on gaming journalism on this occasion.

"I didn't play it but I approved this." Classic. COULDN'T.MAKE.IT.UP.
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MisterMarston - 46 days 13 hours ago
1 - What is wrong with everybody!?
WHY IS EVERYBODY CRAZY!?

How is this a flame article!? It boasts in the very first line 'I love this game'.

I wrote it. I've played it and I enjoyed it.

However it's 100% true that they neglected the storyline and opted for the cop-out, generic babble that we see in every action adventure movie/game!

SOMEONE HAS TO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO TRY AND MAKE YOU GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE PAYING TO PLAY A CLICHE. YOU'RE PAYING GOOD MONEY, TO PLAY SOMETHING YOU'VE SEEN COUNTLESS TIMES. We need new stories.
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Julie - 46 days 13 hours ago
1.1 - You and Chadness are the same dude
You don't love this game you just need hits on your website:

"God… the storyline for this is f*cking s*it isn’t it?"
"Why is it so generic?"
"it has a nothing, throwaway-like story".
"It has no story. Face it. Stop bumming the glossy finish"
"I was prepared for this barrage of insults"

All are your words flamebait obvious rabid fanboy :)

PD: even N4G was warning me of your bad words while i was pasting them here sad really sad
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HDgamer - 46 days ago
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I'm sorry but why in the hell is everything well almost everything completely or horribly misspelled along with kindergarten level grammar? The article is pathetic in various standards, not only from the obvious biased opinion of claiming you've loved and played the game from stating the story is lame. If this story is lame then so is gears 2, Ninja gaiden 2, halo 3, killzone 2, Mass effect and many more games. Telling us the general public would rather pay for a cliche game. Well the general public would rather pay for a 60.00 priced tag expansion especially when Bungie specifically stated it as an expansion. L4D2 which is the same game as the first, Army of two a game we all have paid for and was ripped off for. Just pathetic actually.
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Action Bastard - 45 days 23 hours ago
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Welcome to every form of entertainment available. It's called...life.
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Erotic Sheep - 45 days 21 hours ago
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This article is pathetic. If you really need hits on your lousy website, post some porn vids but dont scream out bs when Uncharted 2 has been praised by many reviewers of its fantastic storyline.
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Baka-akaB - 45 days 20 hours ago
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This isnt about uncharted 2 , the feeling would be the same with a title i hate , or any platforme exclusive ... it's about the sheer stupidity behind the article and the people approving it :

-lame hit fishing title sure to bring people onboard "WHyyy XXXX SUX/is lame" that probably got nothing to do with the actual article .

What is wrong with people ? Then i wonder what is wrong with you !!

If toothpaste was a more touchy or popular subject, and you needed to post an article over the congress , by your silly logic you would write something like "Why the Congress hate toothpaste ?" and then in the very first line write "dont worry congress actually got nothing against toothpaste and this isnt the actual subject " ?????

How deep and pullitzer worthy indeed . And you got the gall and nerves to actually defend it .

That's no journalism , that's not editorialism , that's just desperate fishing for hits and sensasionalism . hence why you've lost quite a few of us on the title alone , regardless of the quality of the content .
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bjornbear - 45 days 17 hours ago
1.6 - The main strength of a story isn't how cliché it isn't, but how its told.
You wrote an article down playing a strong story.

As stories go, its quite strong for an action genre.

I read a lot of fiction novels, and watch A LOT of movies (movie buffness =D), and I'm a sucker for good stories.

When it comes to video games my standards are naturally set a little lower.

One of my favorite video game stories of all time is SoTC, even though I managed to predict a change of plot at the end of the game right at the start (it looked too trivial for an Ico Team game plot).

Why? Not because it was (undoubtedly in relation to novel stories) cliché.

But because of how it was STRUCTURED.

The main strength of a story isn't how cliché it isn't, but how its told.

U2's story is told VERY well, and I very much enjoyed the way the ending played out.

I knew how it was going to end, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a good story. It just didn't have a strong PLOT.

Next time, back up your argument a little more strongly, because the whole article itself is CLICHÉ.
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Darkstorn - 45 days 17 hours ago
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@3.2-
I hate to say it, but Mass Effect's story is better than Uncharted 2's IMO. The philosophies of ancient alien races beat out a Hollywood-style action/adventure/drama any day of the week.
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DaTruth - 45 days 16 hours ago
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This is from a book written 3000yrs ago that still holds true today: "There is nothing new under the sun."

Try finding a plot line that has never been used a thousand times in one of the billion+ stories ever told.

EVERYTHING IS CLICHE!!!
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jayblings - 45 days 6 hours ago
1.9 - Your Headline Is My Problem
Your headline is written in such a way that people have to click through to see what it has to say. Why does Uncharted 2 have to be… so lame? Why did you put ".." in the headline? So you could get hits on your website. Just remember hits don't equal respect. You want respect how about you just make the headline "Uncharted 2 is Lame" No you wouldn't do that cause then nobody would click to see your article. Good luck making it in the industry..Your gonna need it.
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MisterMarston - 46 days 13 hours ago
2 - Like i said on the site...
I don’t understand why you’re criticizing a deeper analysis into the game than you get with most writers?

You take things at face value Julie. It looks pretty and plays nice - therefore you’ve got to stay loyal and defend it? What if I think it looks pretty and plays nice - but has a balls story? Is my opinion suddenly not valid?

You’re playing a cliche. But you’re too dumb enough to accept it.
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Julie - 46 days 13 hours ago
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Yes call me dumb i don't really care, you are trying to play like you are not a rabid fanboy , look at this nonsense title:

"Why does Uncharted 2 have to be… so lame?"

That is called a flamebait title from an unknown site that desperately need hits, next time use a proper title , have a nice day and welcome to my ignore list Chadness alter account :)
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ginganinja - 45 days 22 hours ago
2.2 - Sorry, i've looked, but i still can't find this 'deeper analysis'..
I don't think i've seen anyone try and pass it off as a literary masterpiece, but have said that 'for a videogame' it is very good - which is starting from a very low level.
Should they be criticised for having a story that's been done before or praised for doing it better and in a very entertaining way.
Personally, it one of the few games recently that i've not skipped through the cutscenes.
Sorry, but not every piece of entertainment needs some deeper meaning and try and question parts of your own life... it can be good dumb fun and be just as satisfying.
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ultimolu - 45 days 22 hours ago
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...What deeper analysis? Going by your logic, all the games that came out must be generic too.
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Bilbo65 - 46 days 4 hours ago
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OMFG i am so sick of ????? in 50% of the articles, and feel like I am losing intelligence reading these poorly written blogs that ramble on for 10 paragraphs about nothing.
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Tachyon_Nova - 46 days 3 hours ago
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Even if I don't really agree with what he's saying, it is written to a fairly high standard compared to your comment.
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kingdavid - 45 days 3 hours ago
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Lol owned.
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gapecanpie - 46 days 1 hour ago
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UC2 story line is lame....
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redsquad - 46 days ago
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Please, point me at an adventure game that has a storyline that you consider NOT 'lame' and I might start caring about your opinion - I'd love to see what lofty heights you set for such things. You probably thik RAIDERS OF TE LOST ARK has a 'lame' story too...
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snp - 45 days 23 hours ago
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Whereas Halo, Mario Bros, Wonderboy and Call of Duty are comparable to Anna Karenina or a Hamlet?

And calling out 'Bioshock' as a narrative wonderkind (as the article does) is just nonsense imo. It's got a neat (colourful) steampunk aesthetic, with a few pseudo-intellectual pointers to philosophy that are kind of fun to the uninitiated, but is basically a pastiche as much as anything else out there.

Between this article and the article dissing Uncharted 2 on behalf a mates cancer, it's really quite hard to know what angle will be taken next. The question of why are games - broadly - lacking in the narrative versus, say, more developed media (books/films etc) would be ok, but choosing one particular title to point it out - and then using a shrill title - seems pretty insincere. Can't not expect eye rolls and retorts on the back of that.
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gapecanpie - 45 days 17 hours ago
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One day I may care if you care about my opinion. But today I can honestly tell you I dare care if you care...... -_-

To you and all the rabbit fans who disagreed get a life.. Its only a game.
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DaTruth - 45 days 16 hours ago
7.4 - "RABBIT FANS"
LOL!!!

You dudes really love those rabbits!
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creeping judas - 45 days 14 hours ago
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Rabbits are better then hare's, end of story!!
Call me rabbit fanboy, but I won't be insulted, since I really really like rabbits!!!
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HDgamer - 46 days 1 hour ago
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I know if I wrote an article about any xbox 360 exclusive being lame it wouldn't be here lol. Double sided censorship.
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RonRico - 46 days 1 hour ago
9 - Oh boy
Lame huh? If I had to make a real list of lame titles, Uncharted 2 wouldn't be in it and the list would be a mile long. A lot of FPS's would though.
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Nuri - 46 days ago
10 - *Takes a quick peek at all the reports*
Sweet Jesus!
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Pumbli - 46 days ago
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If you don't like idiotic articles like this one, don't click the approve button!! Report it before it's approved.

This isn't news, if I decide to cry out "I love Haze!!" on my blog will people on N4G approve that as news? No? THEN STOP APPROVING TRASH LIKE THIS! Please...
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nutcrackr - 46 days ago
12 - I thought the story was good
The "generic" parts were designed to be just that. 9 out of 10 times you put in some complex story with some unique ideas and it goes over most people's heads and is completely lost and then most people will be saying how confusing the story was... Why not have a story that's simple, effective and captures almost all the audience?
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DigitalAnalog - 46 days ago
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He just dissed 95% of all the gaming stories out there. Uncharted 2 fails 1/2 because of the unoriginal story?
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DaTruth - 45 days 16 hours ago
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Those other 5% with the good stories are games few people have ever heard of, that rarely get sequels and if they do, the sequel is in the 95% because they learned their lesson the first time.
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Jdoki - 45 days 23 hours ago
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When a game series reaches a certain level of excellence, then deeper analysis is welcome, and possibly called for. But to title the article 'Why does UC2 have to be.. so lame?' shows a lack of any sort of journalistic credibility.

Anyway. In the interest of actually discussing the storyline; I'm a bit torn on it to be honest.

On one hand, a simple well told story is a great thing - and UC2 is definitely nicely delivered and can stand tall next to other pop-culture movie offerings.

On the other hand, I couldn't shake a nagging feeling that it was all a bit samey to the previous story in terms of structure and delivery.

However, within the constraints of a video game, what were Naughty Dog to do? A linear story driven game needs to move from A to B as an increasing challenge for the player - so in some ways that structure dictates the type of story that can be told.
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Jamescagney - 45 days 23 hours ago
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As far as story telling in games goes UC2 was very well done. The story wasn't of Bioware quality but it was more than adequate for the type of game it is. And the more important thing is it makes you like the characters in the story, especially Nate.
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slave2Dcontroller - 45 days 23 hours ago
15 - STOP
over looking the obvious. These sorts of articles are MADE for N4G.

Author: Hey look! theres a bunch of PS3 supporters on N4G, Lets write a bad article about something they see as good like... Uncharted2! Yeah that'll piss them off but whatever atleast our article will garner attention and get us some hits.

N4G Member: Oh look! Someone is talking s#it about Uncharted2 let me go in here and post so this article gives the Author exactly what he wanted.. hits and attention to this crap article.

Why not ignore this garbage and let it slip into archives instead of doing the author a favor. No wonder Activision isnt worried. Most people support the very s#it they talk trash about. Good Job Guys
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DARK WITNESS - 45 days 23 hours ago
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People really should stop approving such crap...

these guys do it for nothing other then to get hits and get ranking on google. don't put up with this crap. ( that goes for stories relating to all consoles and games. )
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Makavelli1527 - 45 days 23 hours ago
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Today must not be opposite day
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kraze07 - 45 days 23 hours ago
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UC2 wasn't lame, but it definitely wasn't as spectacular as some people make it seem to be. It fits the game, but like someone said before more it's not Bioware quality. The gameplay, presentation, and visuals are what make this game great.
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Bazookajoe_83 - 45 days 22 hours ago
19 - Is there any game with better narrative?
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taylork37 - 45 days 20 hours ago
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UC1, Bioshock
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From Mars To Sirius - 45 days 22 hours ago
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you know a lot of people think shawshank redemption is the greatest movie whereas i would argue that "cries and whispers" is the greatest..i don't call them naive for liking that movie.. they connected with the movie's story .. i can't fault them for that .

tastes differ... calling the game 's story "lame" is his opinion but to call others naive because they like this story is completely unwarranted . people can like what they want to like, what gives them satisfaction or in this case if they can connect with the characters, dialogues, story then i really don't see where the problem lies.. people looking for simple "fun" story got what they wanted.. they found the characters likeable .. i for one will side with the author though.. i didn't like the character/story/diagolues one bit but my freinds love it.. the game overall was amazing! all a matter of TASTE!!
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