President of Gearbox questions Valves lack of PS3 support

thedisagreefairy - 47 days 11 hours ago

that valve has used sleazy practices on the ps3.

his words not mine....although i do agree

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njr - 47 days 9 hours ago

Valve pretty much gimps or doesn't release anything not on PC. Sure you have the orange box on 360, but there are never any updates. Just stick with the PC platform when it comes to their games.

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Blaze929 - 47 days 9 hours ago

The President of Gearbox should question their lack of testing on the PS3 version of Borderlands before questioning other's support of the platform.

Anyway, who cares why Valve doesn't want to do games on the PS3. Look at the comments here; read them then try to figure out where the PS3 market is for Valve if they suck so bad and their games are old and tired. So why should they bother? They don't want to develop on the PS3 then they don't want to - simple. Gabe apologized for any bashing done and Valve doesn't do it anymore.

No one is questioning Insomniac for why they don't want to develop on anything other than the PS3.

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Elven6 - 47 days 8 hours ago

Coming from a developer who hasn't been able to make a SINGLE PS3 game run properly at launch...

Also, Pitchford seems to want to attack Valve at every opportunity, I guess he's jealous that

A. No one supported him on his Steam argument.
B. Steam was responsible for a majority of BiA: HH sales since no one bought it. (and with good reason, it ran like crap on everything!)

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presto717 - 47 days 8 hours ago

I've never been blown away be anything from valve so I dont give a f*ck what platforms they choose to support. If anything, now I just think they are retarded for all the crap they've said in the past.

Sucks.

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kornbeaner - 47 days 8 hours ago

But insomniac doesn't go around saying the 360 is trash. All valve did for the first 2 years of the PS3 cycle is trash Sony, the PS3, and its games. And is it a wonder why they don't talk sh!t about the PS3 anymore. Now that the PS3 has games up the ying-yang that are of far greater quality then anything developed by valve. What are they going to say when they got Uncharted 2, R & C, killzone 2 and other great games to shut up all their trash talk.

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Cold 2000 - 47 days 8 hours ago

I cant believe that after two years you guys are still so bitter because of what Valve said about the PS3 especially since he's already apologised.

Moreover it sounds like he PERSONALLY hurt you all when he dissed the PS3...dont forget its only a chunk of plastic and electronics, it has no feelings at all.

Its behavior I cant understand because no matter how big a 360 fan I am, it wouldnt do me sh*t if it were the 360 that Valve treated this way.

I mean he dissed the ps3 TWO years ago, and so what ?! The ps3 isnt some kind of god as far as I know.

edit: Lol Blaze we had the same thought at the same time.

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Blaze929 - 47 days 8 hours ago

"But insomniac doesn't go around saying the 360 is trash. All valve did for the first 2 years of the PS3 cycle is trash Sony, the PS3, and its games."

WHO CARES!? Are you Sony? Are you Microsoft? Are you Playstation? Are you Xbox? ARE YOUR FEELINGS BEING HURT!? NO, so WHY DO YOU CARE? That was more than 2 years ago!

Let them quarrel, bicker, and trash talk. At the end of the day, they still aren't developing games on the PS3.

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xenogamer - 47 days 6 hours ago

but maybe he needs to make games that dont have GAME BREAKING BUGS ON THE PS3 before he starts talking like this, i lost all my skill points and Weapon proficiency in borderlands with a level 37 hunter, 30 hours wasted, i have to start all over.

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chaosatom - 47 days 6 hours ago

In conclusion Valve's ceo is a greedy pig.

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StanLee - 47 days 6 hours ago

Randy Picthford is starting to sound like a jealous a** and really should stop commenting on Valve and how they do business. Valve is an independent studio who can make games for whatever platform they like. I don't see him making the same comments about other independent developers who only make games for 1 platform. Randy's had a hard on for Valve and it has nothing to do with which platform they support and everything to do with the success they've had with Steam. Shut to fu*k up Randy! Valve as a company could do whatever the fu*k they want. It's their choice.

Edit @ PS3 fanboys

What Gabe said about the PS3 was what every developer was thinking at the time and many still do; The PS3 is a great piece of hardware but not for how developers make games. Forcing developers to relearn how to do their jobs is arrogant. Sony made the console and basically told developers to figure it out. Early support from Sony to developers was almost non-existant.

Edit @ below

Yeah he was a douche but he didn't have to pander to Sony so he spoke his mind. Denis Doak said the same thing but only after Haze bomb. He just sounded bitter.

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Eddie20101 - 47 days 5 hours ago

I've always thought it to be not appropriate for game developers to make comments like that on the various consoles. Just seems like bad business to me. Also Gabe was a former Microsoft employee, which may explain his fandoy comments.

Valve do great games, but there not doing anything that even comes close to stressing the current consoles. With the exception of the Left 4 Dead games, they usually take a very long time to get a game out. In my opinion the Left 4 Dead games are over priced and are not worth $60, good games not enough there to warrant the price.

@Stanlee

Most developers were just saying that it was a powerful system but it was difficult to develop for, plain and simple. Gabe Newel said that it was worthless and they should (Sony) trash the PS3 and start all over, none of which was said in a professional manor.

@Elven6

All three versions of Borderlands had to be patched for online problems. And now all three versions work equally as well. Not the first time the Online portion of a game had to be patched or had problems out of the box. Can you say Gears Of War 2?

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Proxy - 47 days 4 hours ago

Time for the stirring PS3 fans to take some action and boycott Valve PS3 games.

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RememberThe357 - 47 days 1 hour ago

Insomniac doesn't work on other platforms because they don't have to. By working with Sony they have a constant flow of money, without Sony there would be a less secure situation. They don't have to worry about finding a new publisher or getting someone to support a new IP. It's a much simpler process. Besides, they put out a game a year; their a well oiled machine and they'll probably be bought by Sony in the future.

Valve, on the other hand, doesn't really any reason not to support the PS3. They're not being published by MS but they choose to only support their platforms. That's not even the problem though. The problem is their smug, condescending attitude toward the PS3 even though PS3 devs have been able to put out better all around games then Valve. You didn't ever hear about BioWare talking trash about the PS3

Now, don't get me wrong I love Half-Life and all, but their fanboys. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. Gade said that the PS3 should be scrapped and Sony should start over, yet that's the exact thing I thought when playing Left 4 Dead.

The Gearbox guy is right, there is something sleazy going on. Why on earth would you disenfranchise a potential group of consumers? Why would a corporation present themselves in such a disrespectful manner? How in the hell do they think that would benefit them?

You ask them why they care? Maybe they only own a PS3? Did you ever think of that? Why do you care that they care? Why did you comment? We're gamers who have opinions. That is what a comment section is for. Just as you don't care what Valve says, there are people who do. Maybe they feel like it's disrespectful. Maybe they feel like it's unprofessional for a multi-million dollar company to be burning bridges with possible consumer bases. I don't really know, but your defense of their comments seems rather odd.

EDIT: lol at me wall of text. (no one is going to read that...)

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Xgamerzus - 46 days 15 hours ago

With out the marketing they put into those shotty game they would be left in the dust.
Their tech is old , no one talks about their engines at all anymore.

They are surviving only because of the media hype and advertising they spend along with the Fanboy following they have from the PS3 'Jabbs"
all I can say is the Halflife,tech is showing its weakness & age, and as soon as latest ID tech5 is out and Cryengine,they will no longer have any hold in PC gaming..RIP Vavle.!!!FPS after FPS nothing new!!nothing new Hear move on..

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Elven6 - 46 days 14 hours ago

Eddie20101: I said "at launch", I really don't see what Gears of War 2 has to do with this considering how this argument is about Gearbox who on their own haven't been able to make a game run properly at launch on current gen consoles or in the case of BiA: HH, never.

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vhero - 43 days 13 hours ago

Valve and Turn 10 are nothing but a bunch of fanboy devs. Its shame they exist it really does and I am not saying they are because they only make 360 games. I don't think Bungie are fanboy devs nor Lionhead studios who are both 360 exclusive and made great games. They just come out with complete fabrications to cover up the fact there either lazy devs or in turn 10s case their game isn't gonna be as great as another instead of being a decent dev like Bungie and being honest with your fans. I seriously hope EA buys Valve up as it would make sense for them getting hold of the Steam engine etc.. and it would shut them up once and for all.

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blackboyunltd - 47 days 11 hours ago

sounds like hate to me, valve knows what there doing

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Cold 2000 - 47 days 9 hours ago

I still dont see/understand whats so shocking with the fact that Valve arent interested with the PS3.

I mean dont they have a right to choose what platforms they develop for ?

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macka - 47 days 8 hours ago

valve does need to change abit, a new engine would be nice along with a new IP. After playing the LFD2 demo im severely dissapointed, its identical to the original, its still fun but nowhere near justifies a full game release.
And where the fish is Half-life episode 3 / Half Life 3.

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Sevir04 - 47 days 8 hours ago

clearly you dislike the ps3 and everything involved in it yet you find yourself in everything PS3 related sharing your "VIEWS". arent you tired?

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Cold 2000 - 47 days 7 hours ago

Oh geez shut up already.

Put me on ignore if you are not happy.

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Cold 2000 - 47 days 7 hours ago

double post.

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pippoppow - 47 days 6 hours ago

You are getting a little out of control. It is true that you are in many PS3 related articles spinning and downplaying the PS3. I'm sure you love your 360 so why aren't you spending your time in 360 articles? Not enough good news on the 360 side for you? I'm sure there's an article stating MS is allowing a new web site to XBL or that a 360 multiplatform title is releasing soon which should get you excited to post in the 360 section.

Look, I loath the 360. MS has bought their disrespectful and unethical business practices to the console arena. Still not rectifying their poor quality build fully and charging gamers to play their games on line is shameful. I find their lack of real exclusives that stay exclusive amusing. Also MS closing down and losing 1st party Devs a statement of how much they value their fans. I could very well go into every 360 article spewing similar nonsense like you but don't because it isn't necessary. It makes one seem desperate. Like you.

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vhero - 43 days 13 hours ago

I agree left 4 dead does get boring extremely quickly theres nothing to it which is why i'm surprised so many people are excited for a sequel.

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STK026 - 47 days 9 hours ago

Indy devs can choose for which platform they develop their games. Before asking yourself how can Valve ignore a 30 million people market, ask yourself how insomniac can ignore a much bigger market (360 + PC combined), as they also are independant.

Valve is, and will likely always be, a Pc developper. They make PC games with the PC architecture in mind. Porting from PC to X360 is easy, very easy actually. Porting to the PS3 however, requires more work, as shown by Bayonetta for example. For Valve, to port a game to the X360 means little extra work, and big incomes.

If they dont want to develop games for the PS3, just let them be. Buy it on PC or on the 360, or just dont buy them at all.

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vhero - 43 days 13 hours ago

Insomniac are not ignoring the 360 market so your argument is pointless they clearly said they wouldn't mind making a 360 game but the games they have out right now the ip's are owned by Sony so stop chatting complete CRAP. Unlike MS Sony exclusives are real exclusives as unfortunately for MS since they also own the biggest OS in the world there exlcusive contracts cover Windows aswell as 360 as its an MS contract Not a 360 contract. Sony doesn't have a PC OS worldwide used. So Insomniac are not ignoring PC/360 gamers its impossible for them to release there big games on 360/pc thanks to publishing rights owned partially by Sony. Just like with Gears 1 & 2. Facts my friend FACTS.

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nycredude - 47 days 10 hours ago

hated greatness

There is nothing wrong with choosing one console to support but Valve has talked trash about the other console at the same time. You don't here Insomniac talk trash about the 360, or Level 5, or any number of other 2nd party developers do what Valve has done.

It sounds like you don't really care about fanboys, so how come you are defending Valve, seeing as by their actions and crap talking they can easily be considered a fanboy developer.

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smooch_357 - 47 days 10 hours ago

Valve harshly criticized the PS3 and Sony when they initially decided not to support it...You have to admit that the tone of the things that they said at the time were really uncalled for. As a PS3 owner I didn't have a problem with them choosing not to support the PS3, well I was disappointed, but not offended/insulted, However when the CEO Gabe Newell or what ever his name is came out saying that the Sony should just give up and start over, and implying PS3 was a waste of research and development time and money...then I have a problem. I don't remember everything they said, but I do remember the types of things they were implying...and when you look at the technically superior games that Sony has been able to produce on the PS3 (Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank Future/ACIT), it really makes Valve look stupid, and like they have egg on their faces. Actually, in a way, I feel embarrassed for them, more so than I do insulted.

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sajj316 - 47 days 10 hours ago

My friend ... they are giving mixed messages then. If they really believed that they don't want 2nd rate versions on any platform ... why make the Orange Box for the PS3. EA gave them a sack of dollar bills and things change. Although that game was published and ported by EA Dev, it is a Valve game. It is a representation of a Valve product.

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cmrbe - 47 days 10 hours ago

Gabe did apologise to those PS fans that got burned with the Orange Box fiasco. That is when Gabe made it clear again why they don't want to do anything on the PS3 because they don't have the talent or resources to do a good enough job on the PS3.

The thing is it seems like everyone is trying to force Valve to develop on the PS3 when obviously they don't want to. If they do and another Orange box eventuate it will not be good for Valve or to us PS gamers. In fact i would be pretty pissed. As a PS gamer i don't want second rate crap on the PS3. Hey that's just me.

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smooch_357 - 47 days 9 hours ago

I didn't know that he did that, if I would have known that, I wouldn't have been so critical of him and his company in my previous post. The most I ever heard him say on the matter was that he would be willing to re-think his stance on the PS3 if it continued to sell well, or achieve a greater install base, or something like that...but that was over a year ago.

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cmrbe - 47 days 9 hours ago

You and me the same. Yes he did. The article was on N4G and from an interview about 3 months ago.

Originally i hated him for blasting the PS3 without doing anything on it then the whole Orange box PS3 disaster. As Randy said in this article. I was appaled when Valve distance themselves from the PS3 port and allowing PS3 fans to get screwed. That really did pissed me off.

He explained later that he didn't want to but was more or less forced to do so when they don't have the resources or talent to do so. I believe him because i was surprised that they announced a PS3 version as well for Orange box considering Valves stance on PS3 development. Thats why alot of people were calling them out as being lazy or that Sony should help them out. Truth is i know they can hire more people and definately have the talent. From my observation and this is just my opinion the problem is Gabe dosen't like where game dev is heading if the PS3 is sucessful.

I laugh at people that say they don't develop on the PS3 because they are lazy or are not talented. Lets not forget that they are one of the powerhouse in PC gaming and they after all did created HL.

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ico92 - 47 days 8 hours ago

i agree with you i mean i admit i am a bit dissapointed because it was a bit of a tease but if valve dont wanna develop for the ps3 they dont have to i mean look at the orange box it was a disaster and to this day i will not buy that game , and like you said valve didnt wanna make a ps3 port so really i would rather valve not make a game on the ps3 than make a sh!tty port

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Bathyj - 47 days 7 hours ago

I understand your post and respect your opinion, but really this is all Valves own fault.

They painted themselve into a corner and now have to stand there until the floor is dry.

They didn't want to get into the PS3 in the beginning because it was too hard for them. In the early days, a bright, handsome, young poster named Bathyj sectulated, any dev not doing their homework now on the PS3, was only going to have it tougher later when they realised there was a market for games on it, but they had been left too far behind on the technical curve.

Instead of complaining this was hard and that was wrong, they should have been getting help, which Sony seems only to happy to give, and then maybe they wouldn't be where they are now, to afraid to try to learn less everyone see what a poor job they've done with keeping up.

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cmrbe - 47 days 7 hours ago

I honestly don't think they were looking at making money from the PS3. Valve imo is content with what they have going on the PC with steam.

If you look at all PS3 exclsuive devs. Most have thrown away their codes from previous gens to start new on the PS3 this gen. It happend with ND, I.G and PD to name a few. To me this is what Valve really fears. Gabe when he bashed the PS3 made clear that he saw no value in producing for the PS3 because its a very new and different platform that will not allow them to use their investment in PS3 on anything else currently or in the future. I believe this is why Valve never produced for the PS2 as well.

I believe at the core valve dosent like where the PS3 is taking game development and really don't want to be a part of it. Valve just loves their source engine too much.

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PirateThom - 47 days 10 hours ago

Valve never developed for the PS2 or Dreamcast. The Half-Life port was done by none other than Gearbox and they did a decent job with it.

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sajj316 - 47 days 10 hours ago

Would have loved Orange Box to be done by Gearbox then :) The port isn't bad visually (Orange Box). If they gave the user the option to install the whole game to the hard disc, you would have seen vast improvements to load times (a major problem in the game).

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Cajun Chicken - 47 days 7 hours ago

I stand corrected!

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Unicron - 47 days 10 hours ago

Lies!

L4D series is a 360 exclusive.

*giggles*

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HDgamer - 47 days 9 hours ago

Watch Panda spins this. The president of GEAR BOX QUESTIONED VALVE. Also if valve is so dedicated to the pc crowd why are they developing for the consoles like the xbox 360? I know your excuse is because it's cheaper to port and it's also the same architecture as the pc. Sadly for you will say it's a 3rd party port but no proof will be shown by you.

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evilmonkey501 - 47 days 9 hours ago

ps3 games are developed on pc's as well. In fact, some devs don't even have ps3 kits. your comment is pwnd.

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MetalGearRising - 47 days 9 hours ago

So true if i was a developer i wouldn't be making games for 3rd place console.

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VictorSullivan - 47 days 9 hours ago

Why you 360 kids pay 60 goddamned dollars for a game that is meant to be played the superior PC platform is beyond me.

You don't even get mods, the REAL support from Valve, and you're charged ten dollars more then we are. Dumbasses.

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karan8624 - 47 days 9 hours ago

Give it a few months, then we'll see what console is in last, xbots

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ReviewsArePolitics - 47 days 6 hours ago

Nobody makes financial decisions like that, they are made if the profit rate is acceptable and so far it has been higher on the PS3 side than the 360; but you guys can't even comprehend what "head start" means, so why would you know how to interpret a financial statement.

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chaosatom - 47 days 6 hours ago

If Valve doesn't want to make money on PS3, then it's their loss.

They are just losing respect and more customers if they don't.

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Pandamobile - 47 days 8 hours ago

Yes, because Valve works so closely with MS. /sarcasm

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theDutchFella - 47 days 8 hours ago

so true

why isn't there a single game on the 360 that can even come CLOSE to the quality and performance of Uncharted 2?

Sony's first party devs FTW.

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theDutchFella - 47 days 8 hours ago

who the hell cares about sales?! That's every 360 fanboys only argument.

How about game quality? Or hell even QUANTITY? While this year alone we have KZ2, MLB 09: The Show, inFamous, Uncharted 2 (GOTY), NGS2, Demon's Souls, and R&C, you guys are stuck with re-released full priced DLC (84 metacritic), Forza 3, and uhmm L4D 1.5.

You MGR, are the biggest joke on N4G.

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RonDeMuerte - 47 days 8 hours ago

PS3 games are better than 360 games....go look up reviews on metacritic......if sales mattered so much, then how come 360 exclusives look inferior? you'd think that Microsoft would try to improve the quality of their games...but they don't feel they need to because a game like Halo sells enough no matter what..
So when it's all said and done...the real losers were 360 fanboys...who were willing to pay for anything...

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Lou Ferrigno - 47 days 7 hours ago

haha ya mcDouchebag Rising... Bungie is NOT a first party dev for Microsh!t lol haha your so lame dude.

no knowledge whatsoever ..
ha,you made my day idiot bot.

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Tito08 - 47 days 6 hours ago

Bungie is not 1rst party anymore, n u seem to bash playstation a lot, u gotta remember that's where Metal Gear Solid got the most success from, n it's more known as a Playstation Franchise, even that it started on a different platform!!!!

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Zechs34 - 47 days 4 hours ago

What first party studios little boy? Turn 10? Lmao. Rare? This isnt 10 years ago anymore kid. Lionhead??? Might as well rename it to Peter's Fantasy Realm, where we feed the bots crap, and they eat it up. Like I have stated previously, You are not a gamer, you are a failed product of a 10 yr old condom and a failed abortion. Now lets do sales bot, (btw, love that you have a picture of a game in a series which shines on Sony Hardware, but have yet to see a screen from a secondhand team who is making the one that is MULTIPLATFORM, you bots treat is as exclusive after ranking on MGS4 lol pathetic)as I was saying. Sales. Pokemon rules all, Mario rules all... Damn you know what, why not throw in the simple, undeniable fact that Gran Turismo has outsold Halo as well... What to say now? Are you hurt that you still have not been able to get a 360 for Christmas even though theyre practically giving them away everywhere now? Just be nice and ask your parents, tell them that you know the truth about the broken condom story and they will have pity on you, trust me, because its me and I do feel for ya bro.

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Pandamobile - 47 days 7 hours ago

Seems like a lot of you are pretty eager to get your hands on Left 4 Dead.

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NecrumSlavery - 47 days 7 hours ago

Not I, man.

Have it on GF for 360, not worth a buy too me

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