Does Forza 3 Split The Xbox "Have" & "Have Nots"?

KionicWarlord222 - 59 days ago

Microsoft are advertising the elite more .

Its on there website on the front page .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/d...

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Godmars290 - 58 days 23 hours ago

Try TV/cable broadcast. Mainstream media. People who aren't going to know any better until they've already bought one for their kids as a surprise, only to likely discover from the complaining brat that they have to go back to the store.

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kapedkrusader - 58 days 23 hours ago

...GT5 will not come in 3 Blu-ray discs. That pic was immediately clarified by PD.

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KionicWarlord222 - 58 days 23 hours ago

What ever is value to the consumer and at the right price determines a fair sale .

But as for Microsoft advertising , so far ive see :

Halo about 25 times. Forza 3 7 times .

Haven't seen any elite or arcade commercials though .

But im sure there are a lot of elite commercials .

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soxfan2005 - 58 days 23 hours ago

You are quite delusional. How many "brats" (as you say) are going to be playing a hardcore racing sim like Forza 3?

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Cold 2000 - 58 days 23 hours ago

"Can't really help but notice that once the hype died for the $300 Elite, MS went right back to advertising the Arcade SKU."

What the heck are you talking about ?

From the author: "But for those who own the 20gb unit, The Forza 3 2nd disc may force you to make a tough decision."
1.9 gb represnts maximum 2 demos...Im not sure its really heartbraking to erase 2 demos...

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Godmars290 - 58 days 23 hours ago

There are no Elite or Arcade commercials. Just "Xbox 360, now $199" at the end of any game ad they have a hand in. Its always been like that except when the price drop came.

As for your value argument that's the point: the "value" of the 360 isn't fully presented in the 1-2 seconds its mentioned at the end of a Forza 3, Halo ODST or Gay Tony spot. Sure as heck never see, "online connection" or "Hard-drive" may be required captioned anywhere.

Edit:
"How many "brats" (as you say) are going to be playing a hardcore racing sim like Forza 3?"

Not enough to make it a million one-day seller apparently.

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Cold 2000 - 58 days 23 hours ago

It has always been that way since the beggining of marketing to display the entry price for an item, its been like that since forever for electronics, automobiles, plane tickets, subscriptions etc etc.

Its called marketing.

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Saaking - 58 days 15 hours ago

If you don't have an HDD you just lost 1/4 of the game (100 cars out 400 are on the second disk). Turn 10 just screwed all the 360 arcade owners.

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Shadow Flare - 58 days 4 hours ago

This article is just one of the many things that point to the same conclusion: The Xbox 360 is such a badly designed console

Faulty hardware is one thing but purposely removing the harddrive from a SKU is moronic and leads to this sort of bs. And it also affects multiplatform games which in turn messes up ps3 multi-plats. So thanks microsoft for holding back this generation with your idiotic design and decision making. Thank goodness sony has long term thinking when designing consoles

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TheMailman - 58 days 4 hours ago

"are going to be playing a hardcore racing sim like Forza 3?"

Lol... I´m sorry but "hardcore racing sim" and "Forza 3" in the same sentence is too funny...

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O2_Addict - 58 days 4 hours ago

Just like they abandoned owners of the original Xbox by cancelling it (Sony is still releasing games for the PS2!), Microsoft is abandoning anyone who wasn't rich enough to have a hard-drive with their 360.

Guess they better start saving up!

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Godmars290 - 58 days 4 hours ago

Its also called misrepresentation.

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O2_Addict - 58 days 3 hours ago

if you have a disclaimed saying "additional purchase required."

Does the Forza 3 marketing material have that? If not they may be breaking federal law aimed at stopping age old "marketing" practices such as "bait and switch."

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Godmars290 - 58 days 2 hours ago

There's been no apparent official move to look into the RRoD though claims went as high as 60%. Why would there be any because one or two titles out of hundreds require a HDD to be fully utilized?

The only real question at this point make similar mistakes, underestimate system requirements, with their next console. And will people be able to recognize them.

We already know some will defend them regardless of whatever they do...

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Poopface the 2nd - 58 days 2 hours ago

Pathetic.

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edgeofblade - 58 days 1 hour ago

This core problem is the cost of 360 hard drives. End of story.

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Godmars290 - 58 days ago

Which ironically enough is because of MS security concerns.

Wholly ineffective security.

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EnViAbLe27 - 57 days 23 hours ago

Turn 10 didnt screw anybody, customers that made the decision to buy the cheap arcade sku screwed themselves. Its not like they didnt have an option. It all comes down to how hard core of a gamer you really are.

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Saaking - 58 days 15 hours ago

What if you have an arcade with no HDD? You shouldn't have to buy one just to access the full game. If MS is offering an arcade without an HDD, they should make sure ALL games can be played without the need for an HDD.

And that second disk isn't "extra content" it's 1/4 of the game.

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Venatus-Deus - 58 days 4 hours ago

Maybe I’m old school; however I always thought that you buy a console to play games out the box. No issues just turn it on and insert cartridge or disk. Games should be made for the lowest common denominator for that console.

MS just took to step of moving future consoles generations closer to the PC gaming. Now we have to buy upgrades for our consoles mid generation to play the latest games.

I don’t really have a problem with the xbox/MS, however this is a step in the wrong direction.

Sorry, but it is an issue!

EDIT @ Evo below

The PS3 has online out of the box...

And just so we are on the same level, making console owners upgrade is a bad thing. Services should not rely on hardware upgrades. Your talking like it's you who makes a profit. This isn't a ps3 v xbox thing. It's an xbox v's gamer issue.

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Evocation - 58 days 4 hours ago

online is 1/3 of the Game and you don't get that out of the box, extra is as defined. It's not needed to play.
And by doing this it's a good way of making owner upgrade their consoles HDD, so then they can take advantage of the xbox other services, which by themselfs aren't reason enough to most gamer to shell out for.

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dreamcast - 58 days 4 hours ago

lol finally saaking uses his brain and makes a logical point.

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O2_Addict - 58 days 3 hours ago

that you like getting ripped off. Don't feel bad because there are a lot of people are like that.

In some places you can pay women to beat the crap out of you with whips, chains and heels. Seriously. No "traditional" happy ending either. The pain is the happy ending!

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O2_Addict - 58 days 1 hour ago

when Arcade owners are forced to pay $100 for a crappy 60GB hard-drive just to play the game.

Their only realistic alternative is a used or refurbished hard-drive with a history of high failure rates.

Same goes for playing racing online. When the industry standard practice is free (PC, PS3, Wii) forcing people to pay $50/yr or more just to go online is another of those sneaky pricing tricks.

Does it state anywhere on the packaging or in advertisements that these purchases are required to utilize the advertised functions of the software in question (Forza 3)?

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Saaking - 58 days 15 hours ago

It's very disappointing that Turn 10 didn't improve the graphics at all.

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Soda Popinsky - 58 days 4 hours ago

Stop talking to yourself.

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XBLGT B1GMACNFR1ES - 58 days 3 hours ago

as if it is not upgraded. you are blind lol forza 3 is beautiful!

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bjornbear - 58 days 4 hours ago

oh and AWSUM MOVIE!

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Soda Popinsky - 58 days 4 hours ago

The "usual suspects"?

You mean the PS3 fanboys trolling this article even though it's only posted in the 360 channel?

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insomnium - 58 days 4 hours ago

You have to be the dumbest person here if you think doing that is ok. I mean come on you must've talked down on the PS3 and it's games because of mandatory installs didn't you?

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Venatus-Deus - 58 days 3 hours ago

See my comment above..

Surely you can see that it's a bad thing for us as gamers. In the UK its the Aracde model price that appears at the end of every advert for hardware and games.

It's also only recently that they have added the upgrade small print at the bottom.

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Troll_Police - 58 days 3 hours ago

Wow Soda, haha, did you read what you typed? LOL.

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insomnium - 58 days 3 hours ago

I agree it's not cool to feed on the uninformed especially when it's you who is keeping the people uninformed. This is how MS works though nothing new.

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Soda Popinsky - 57 days 12 hours ago

It's not worse than the PS3s mandatory installs. Some of them take up to 4gb.

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insomnium - 58 days 3 hours ago

Aren't you?

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WMW - 58 days 3 hours ago

calm down don't get excited PD already said that it was not going to need mutiple disk.

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