Xbox360 Devs Can't Match PS3 Exclusives Without The X-Engine

Maddens Raiders - 54 days 21 hours ago

anyway, this video sucks and the X-engine will create more spectacular shades of grey?

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ZootHornRollo - 54 days 21 hours ago

can some one tell hip hop about AA. and maybe how to use it.

and the best thing about this guy is he things EDTV is HDTV

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John Madden - 54 days 21 hours ago

Microsoft first needs the exclusive developers that can actually make games that look amazing. They have Bioware and Epic that's it. Their other developers aren't experienced enough to make a good looking game.

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presto717 - 54 days 21 hours ago

Never heard that one before...

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Elvfam511 - 54 days 21 hours ago

but haven't seen or read about what it really is if

it suppose bring back the Xbox 360 then good

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starvinbull - 54 days 20 hours ago

I'm all for better looking games but until I see something on a par with KZ2 I won't treat this news with any respect.

It's all well and good saying that the 360 can do "more" but where's the evidence? Are we to believe that the 360 is as powerful or more powerful than the PS3 but for years M$ have been concealing it?

Funny that this news comes out at a time when M$ drop the HD requirements on games to get better graphics.

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starvinbull - 54 days 20 hours ago

@zoothorn

I think you mean de-interlacing not AA.

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siyrobbo - 54 days 19 hours ago

thank god flipflopgamer is here to tell us all what we already read about on N4G months ago

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morganfell - 54 days 19 hours ago

The article would have begun truthfully had the phrase "Without The X-Engine" been dropped from the title.

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insomnium - 54 days 18 hours ago

Shouldn't you be concentrating on your next match instead of reading n4g? Shoo! Now get out of here and beat that Brett lol!!

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SL1M DADDY - 54 days 18 hours ago

That any engine that is created to help make Xbox 360 games look better would simply be used to help the 360 "catch up" in terms of graphics to the PS3 and the PS3 would continue to stay one step ahead of the games. MS should have been focusing on this engine a year ago when it would have proven to make a difference. Now, the PS3 is the beast in terms of graphics and game play and the 360 is simply trying hard to keep up.

It's these kinds of articles that bring me back tot he one argument that Xbox fans had about how the PS3 only had 256mb of RAM and how it was going to prevent the PS3 from ever having better looking games than the original Resistance... Oh the good old days. lol

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deep - 54 days 18 hours ago

He's just reading out this article: http://bit.ly/GtoAC

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Demon5500 - 54 days 16 hours ago

Well due to MS harsh NDA they place upon our heads, you wonder why we never say any thing, At the end of the day we still need to keep our job, sony do not care what there dev's speak about or show, it is all ways out the door Ms were like this when 360 first hit the lunch window, but now they have every dev keep quite in till the big show starts then consumers will understand why, MS have a no media or leaking of information policy in regards to x-engine which is a code name dev studio pined the new sdk that we got earlier this year cos it had a new engine new tools, for branch instruction sets and other. So my only point is sony had a better 1 gig sdk kit with edge tools up and running before ms had it sorted, sony devs have had a lot more time with there first party engine and sdk, it makes sense that ps3 games would out perform 360 but how power full is x-engine as a first party engine that is the question I ask the devs in the know that come here will x-engine out perform the ps3 first party tools. As a dev and the fact I have an nda I will say one thing the wait is all most over, And MS have not been canning games like the story's on the net have been saying they are porting them to the new engine , they are also adding new game pay elements as well:) the wait is all most over

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raztad - 54 days 16 hours ago

I guess MS internal devels dont know about this fabled X-engine either. Turn-10 is really needing the x-engine.

Here is an analysis of the Digital Foundry guys comparing Forza 3 with GT5 PROLOGUE. The old good GT5P destroys Forza 3 in every department

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

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corneliuscrust - 54 days 14 hours ago

You BOTH mean INTERPOLATION. Smoothing pixels.

AA is to smooth edges in 3D renders, deinterlacing is converting fielded frames into full screen frames (often using techniques such as 3:2 pulldown)

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Xgamerzus - 54 days 14 hours ago

LOL X-Engine!! I hope its an add on HD& EDRAM card!!
Funny stuff X-engine .
BUt if THis Engine aka Update !!!LOL,
could free up 100 MB of Ram that would definitely be a Plus!!But that's not a engine in the same way Sony is actually releasing Firmware updates ,they dont call them engines,btw LOL!!That free up RAM for Developers.
SO tiss tiss. BS..!!!!!

But still BOttlenecks like ED-Ram and no HD and No CO-GPU (aka Cell to utilize)
There will be no way it can match PS3 Exclusives,After GOW3 comes out and GT5.
Lets compare X-engine to the Next Resistance 3 and Killzone 3 engines at native resolutions!!
Guess what Sony is working on Freeing up RAM as well.BUT not as much because!!
What PS3 gamers GET!!! is in game custom soundtracks!!!
Amazing seem less in game menu options and navigation,and in game HD bluray video,List goes on Id rather have all the Bells and whistles Then lose that Ram to a game that really doesn't need it because we have a Hardrive for streaming etc...
LOL
NEXT 360 already!!
Next 360 please!!!

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loslonelyman - 54 days 12 hours ago

new "Malcolm X-Engine"

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tordavis - 54 days 12 hours ago

Halo 3, Alan Wake and Splinter Cell Conviction says 'Hi!'

*smh*

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4point7BillionLoss - 54 days 12 hours ago

as ps3 devs

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Bodyboarder_VGamer - 54 days 12 hours ago

What with Halo 3, Alan Wake and Splinter Cell Conviction? I just don't get it... @tordavis.
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Here's your X-Engine: http://xengine.sourceforge.... , as you can see it's nothing special. In fact, Cry Engine 3 is vastly superior. Look for the documentation.

Look at these screen shots: http://xengine.sourceforge....

That's on par with N64 graphics...
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Here's another link for more prove that HHG doesn't even know what is he talking about: http://www.codeplex.com/xen...
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Man this is so pathetic it's sad. Nobody's working with the X-Engine anymore... XNA = FAIL

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Unending Punishment - 54 days 11 hours ago

What's with the off topic posts? And the anti-Xbox 360 comments? I'd hope that your time was worth a little bit more than fanboy flaming.

X Engine will certainly make quite a bit more improvement than "shades of grey". As I've been able to research, Microsoft did cull some of Xenos' functionality back in 2005 when they released the first dev kits that used a subset of Direct X 9.0c. Tessellation was one of those features (ATi gpus starting from the 2xxx series have this). The Xenos gpu was way ahead of its time.

edit:

It wasn't you, and you're not the only one I called out. Do a little thing called read and research. But still, it's off topic since you're mentioning a comparison of Forza and Gran Turimso in a discussion that has nothing to do with either.

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Bodyboarder_VGamer - 54 days 11 hours ago

@Unending Punishment, the X-Engine doesn't exist! Read my links before clicking the disagree button.

It is just me or people just like to be ignorant?
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:::The X-Engine Has Been Discontinued:::

I have decided to stop work on the X-Engine. Although a lot of progress has been made, the code is poorly written and not designed well. However, not all progress will be lost. The engine is the inspiration for my new project, the Innovation Engine. http://www.codeplex.com/xen...

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raztad - 54 days 11 hours ago

@unending

Which anti-xbox comment dude?

I just posted an analysis from Digital Foundry, an analysis kept in very low degrees in this site in order keep people away from it. If you want to close your eyes to facts, dont read it and continue thinking whatever you do.

My post is not off topic. We are discussing about the X-engine as a xbox tool to up its games visual fidelity, my point is THAT engine or just doesnt exist or is nothing to have high hopes for.

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Unending Punishment - 54 days 11 hours ago

The X Engine has already been developed. It was released to developers with the new dev kits, also everytime you go to download the latest Direct X drivers it has the XNA logo on the Install screen. New updates will be posted to both the Direct X/XNA SDK and the X Engine. They've merged their work in both areas into one SDK and the X Engine in particular is designed exclusively for game development on Xbox 360.

They're unifying under the X, lol :D

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Elaine Benes - 54 days 11 hours ago

everything he says is mindless crap, that he doesnt even think about, he just says it.

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BeachBar69 - 54 days 10 hours ago

But what if they got gay tony and the x engine.

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MattOG711 - 54 days 10 hours ago

RAGE, Brink, New Crytek game, and Splinter Cell Conviction all look very good so WTF is the logic here? BFBC2 looks very very goos and it is multi-plat.

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mega BIG time - 54 days 7 hours ago

how about this anti-xbox comment raztard:

"I guess MS internal devels dont know about this fabled X-engine either. Turn-10 is really needing the x-engine."

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Saaking - 54 days 6 hours ago

Xbox 360 can't match PS3 PERIOD.

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FACTUAL evidence - 54 days 5 hours ago

Well, hopefully this mysterious "X engine" can make 360 graphics look half as decent as heavenly sword.

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raztad - 54 days 5 hours ago

@mega

What's with that comment? I think you need to improve your reading skills.

"I guess MS internal devels dont know about this fabled X-engine either. Turn-10 is really needing the x-engine." <---Where is the anti-xbox comment?

Let me explain it slowly for you. If the X-engine is real and it's THAT good why we dont see it in action? that was my post. Turn-10 is a key developer and Forza 3 is a new product yet it cant compete with Gt5P? I'm not saying game's crap, just it cant compete as the link proves.

"RAGE, Brink, New Crytek game, and Splinter Cell Conviction all look very good so WTF is the logic here? BFBC2 looks very very goos and it is multi-plat." <--- Let those games to come out before to draw conclusions.

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Bloodshedder - 53 days 23 hours ago

yea, Fedor should be traingin but you know Fedor he nevers takes a fight lightly

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Maddens Raiders - 53 days 22 hours ago

"Raztad, MaddensRaiders, and Morgenfell...
What's with the off topic posts? And the anti-Xbox 360 comments? I'd hope that your time was worth a little bit more than fanboy flaming."

The 1st pt of my response was directly to bloodshedder's comments and is quite on topic. Flame? I've ((never)) heard of the X-engine and was admittedly poking a little fun at GoW2 which is always held up as the 360's crowning achievment and happens (to have a lot of grey) lol

chill out man, nothing personal against your console of choice..

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edgeofblade - 53 days 13 hours ago

You are not my boy. You could not be further from my boy.

No, I do not know how you roll, and I care not.

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PirateThom - 54 days 21 hours ago

People will always let themselves get strung along by Microsoft.

Show nothing real of Natal = Revolution in gaming
Show nothing of Halo Reach = Best Halo game ever

And on and on.

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Halo3 MLG Pro - 54 days 21 hours ago

Same thing can be said about Sony and pretty much every other company. It's called good marketing and hype. That's how things like games, movies, and pretty much any form of entertainment works.

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mikeslemonade - 54 days 21 hours ago

Sony doesn't get away with things as easily. Every Mario and Halo game that comes out is a automatic 9 and Gears also. Sony has to work to get a 9.

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Godmars290 - 54 days 20 hours ago

I'm actually going to agree with you for once, MLG Pro.

Of course when Sony does it, we get the KZ2 and Motor Storm CG trailers which then become target marks.

When MS does it, we get talk hype and spinets of CG that in-game cut scenes don't come close.

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beardpapa - 54 days 20 hours ago

Life in a nutshell for Sony at the office of Video Games Inc.

Coworker: "Hey! How's your day?"
Sony: "Same ol' same ol'. Working hard as always."
Coworker: "Oh yea? Got anything interesting going on?"
Sony: "yea, I made a really impressive work flow for the company. I think it'll really revamp the work coming out of the company."
Coworker: "Cool. That sounds great man. Maybe you'll get a promotion."

Sony's day at a meeting in Video Games Inc.

Boss: "So what do you guys have for me for this week's ideas?"
Sony: "Well, I created this spreadsheet and presentation that should give the company some ideas on a more effective production line. I think it'll completely change how we do things."
Boss: "Oh that's mighty impressive Sony. It's good work but ..."
Sanda: "Hey boss?"
Boss: "Yes Sanda? By the way, looking exceptional today."
Sandra: "Teehee. I got an idea. I don't have a spreadsheet or anything. Just a sticky note. Umm... we can do this and that and I think it'll completely change how we do things. "
Boss: "Mmm.. yes! Indeed. That's entirely perfect. You get a raise Sandra."
Sandra: "YAy! *kisses hugs XOXO*"

After the meeting...
Coworker: "So how'd it go pal?"
Sony: "Eh.. not too great. My idea went through, but that new girl in town. She's a looker. I think she hit home run."
Coworker: "Oh yea? What'd she propose?"
Sony: "She had nothing to propose! Practically stole my idea and told higher ups some tidbits here and there. She had no idea what she was blabbering about. The only thing she knew correct was winking at the boss."
Coworker: "I guess we're not gonna see any changes going on at work then... same ol' same ol'. Back to old school."
Sony: "Yea... it's like nobody ever really takes notice about my work." *Sigh*

point is? Sony cranks out some high quality stuff, but sadly, don't have a strong supporting marketing scheme to impress. They work hard, but don't speak loud enough.

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Halo3 MLG Pro - 54 days 20 hours ago

"Sony doesn't get away with things as easily. Every Mario and Halo game that comes out is a automatic 9 and Gears also. Sony has to work to get a 9."

Congratulations. That's the dumbest comment of the day. :)

Killzone 2 and Motorstorm CG trailers are a great example. Both showed fake gameplay and everybody went bananas. Even I did. Seeing the mud being flinged on the windshield from the inside of your ride was just plain awesome. Unfortunately, it was just to build hype since none of it actually was in game.

So yes Sony and Microsoft and everybody else does it. Don't give me this garbage PirateThom that only Microsoft just does it.

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mikeslemonade - 54 days 20 hours ago

Wrong... you need to read more carefully. Yea they marketed it that way but at the end of the day Killzone 2 and Motorstorm both scored 8-8.5 and didn't sell that many copies. Therefore Sony doesn't get away with things as easily as Microsoft or Nintendo. Microsoft gets a 9.0+ on Halo ODST which is a full price game and sells like 5 million copies even though the game looks terrible. Halo 3 already looked really mediocre in 2007. Nintendo with Wiifit, Wiisports, and Mario automatically sell millions of copies and all get 9.0.

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Halo3 MLG Pro - 54 days 20 hours ago

Yeah yeah yeah, it's all a conspiracy, blah blah blah. I read your excuses already. Save it for somebody else that cares.

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PLAYstar - 54 days 20 hours ago

"Seeing the mud being flinged on the windshield from the inside of your ride was just plain awesome. Unfortunately, it was just to build hype since none of it actually was in game."

It wasn't a fake, the mud was actually implemented into the game, but later got taken off because of noobs complaining about having difficulties of seeing the track, and if you get your eyes off the track for a sec in Motorstorm, you're going downhill. :/

Oh and yes it is all conspiracy. We all knew that... Just ask why staff at 1UP got fired, Just ask what happen with the monkeys working at GameSpot..

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mikeslemonade - 54 days 20 hours ago

Game reviewers and consumers right now have there heads up Microsoft's ass higher than Sony's. Microsoft has definitely earned the right for that too because they spend the most in advertising and the most in securing exclusive deals. Only right now with the PS3 price drop and Uncharted 2 more people are getting enlightened.

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Karum - 54 days 19 hours ago

Everyone does do it you're right but Sony don't get the same free pass as Microsoft and the 360 seem to get though.

Sony make claims about what their console can do and are harrassed over it by the gaming media. People make claims about what the 360 can do, including MS too. Here's the difference though, Sony have backed their claims up with games that are technically beyond anything else on the console market.

Yes the original KZ2 trailer was CGI but guess what, the actual gameplay turned out to look just like that trailer. That is why when I see TV commercials for the likes of Killzone 2 and inFAMOUS on TV there are messages at the bottom of the screen that actually says "Actual gameplay footage" or "all footage shot in game" in the case of inFAMOUS.

When the Gears of War 2 commercials were showing on TV here in the UK, it wasn't actual gameplay, it was a pre-rendered video with the message "graphics representative of gameplay" - the TV ad for Forza 3 that is running on TV in the UK right now is exactly the same.

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CernaML - 54 days 20 hours ago

Doh! I totally fell for that link...

Edit: a fixed link actually did go somewhere. And I gotta say... Whoever wrote everything on that page is seriously pathetic and needs to reconsider what he calls a life.

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iMad - 54 days 20 hours ago

"misterxmedia.livejournal .com/14653.html"

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ReviewsArePolitics - 54 days 20 hours ago

You must be desperate to be posting pathetic lines such as "Don't worry Xbox fans. Microsoft know how to get our money". Wow, and I thought X-tards didn't care about technology, and graphics, only sales. Well, I guess time will tell about the graphics (this is obviously rumor, nothing confirmed, only delusional X-tards in need of "hope" will take this as gospel), but you'll still have to wait for the games.

BTW, why is it that no Xbox developer has ever "exploited" the Xbox hardware? Sounds more like damage control to me, considering how easy it is to develop for it. I find it hilarious that this so called "developer" hates Sony and talks so much trash yet desperate X-tards give him credibility.

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The real killer - 54 days 18 hours ago

What the hell is a X-engine??????? I never hear about this type of engine in almost 5 years and suddenly they talk about the X-engine.
The 360 is already tot max, even they use the so-called X-engine.

It's not about the engine that first party developers use, it's the power from the hardware itself, and that the PS3 has more power twice the 360 so called X-engine will never get the quality what the PS3 has to offer.

The cry engine is already to the limits from the 360 (because the less power), and the cry-engine is the best engine to date for the 360 and not for the PS3.

The engine from Killzone 2 and Naughty dog beat the cry-engine in all aspect if we talk about PS3 exclusive, so the so-called X-engine is a big fake in my opinion.

Why i think, because we almost 5 years later and the fact that the 360 is a easy to program and the most 3e party developers engine is based for the 360 with his gimped PC architecture.

Alan wake will be a good game with great graphics, but Uncharted 2/Killzone 2/GT5/GOW3 and more future PS3 exclusive will the graphics from Alan wake kick in high heaven.

So, you are talking bulshit with your beloved so-called X-engine.
Get over it with your pitiful answer.

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redsquad - 54 days 17 hours ago

You like the letter "X" don't you?
And soooo good to see Microsoft once again relying on a HALO game to 'save' the 360 and prove it's worth...

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AngryTypingGuy - 54 days 16 hours ago

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if it's for real or not. I cannot wait for Halo Reach, it's going to kick ass!

@TheRealKiller, I heard about it several months ago when they said that MS was shipping out new dev kits to developers that will help maximize the potential of the 360. Personally I can't wait to see what they can do with it.

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Sir Ken_Kutaragi - 54 days 16 hours ago

How is your Job at M$ going??? ;-D

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The Killer - 54 days 14 hours ago

i doubt in the forth year something will come out and show something that wasnt shown before.

this is just fantasies MS lie to their brainless bots.

360 will never ever have anything that comes even near uncharted 2 period. oh wait forget uncharted 2, i save not even close to uncharted 1, which was released 1 year after ps3 launched.

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cyborg6971 - 54 days 14 hours ago

I sense a disturbance in the farce of what you call reality. No dev kit or engine will show off the power of xbox 64. Come on you bots can't actually beleive this crap. All the 360 is, is a half @ss computer from 05 that self destructs when used over 50 hours. If that pos could pump out ps3 like graphics it would have been done a year and a half ago. The only thing that will come out of this is halo will finally be in hd. Because halo reach is exactly that a phuckin reach with last gen hardware and gameplay. So I guess congrats you suckers.

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AngryTypingGuy - 54 days 13 hours ago

Ken, you pancake-faced idiot, if anyone knows about waiting, it's you. How old are you anyway? What kind've an insult is "ChatBot"?

I'm sure you're going to bed every night praying that the X-Engine doesn't live up to the hype. It shouldn't even matter to you. If you like PS3 games better, then just play your PS3. I like Halo and Gears better, so I'll play my 360. I couldn't care less if PS3 exclusives turn out good or bad. I plan on getting a Slim eventually, so I'm hoping I have a few more good ones to choose from by the time I get one. But it is nice to see a stinker every once in a while, just so I can watch you little boys (and I really am convinced that that is the demo that make up most of this website) get mad.

Oh, and I wish that I worked at MS, but unfortunately I live on the wrong coast.

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xcox - 54 days 13 hours ago

i couldn't have said it better XD
dude you're such a loser, you made my day
Bwaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahaha!

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keysy420 - 54 days 12 hours ago

still i have to be shown because sony is showing not talking no more now it sounds like xbox is doing the talking.plus after talking to a devloper today and from what he told me. the ps3 can do realism that the 360 cant match. although the 360 can look great it will never be able to perform the physics that the ps3 can. so game may start to look better on the 360 but the physics cant match the ps3. i so agree you can get better graphic but, take the scene in uncharted where the building was faling and your moving and everything that is going on 360 can't do that.

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iMad - 54 days 9 hours ago

becouse of NDA

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The real killer - 54 days 17 hours ago

"By the time they even reach KZ2's level of graphics (another 2 years or most likely never) the PS3 will be light years ahead of the 360 and eventually the 360 devs will give up before even reaching KZ2's graphics.

The future of gaming is all about multi core processing in which you let several SPU's do handle everything form the physics all the way down to the graphics and that's something the 360 can't and will never do because of it's out dated 2005 hardware.

The 3 cored processor in the 360 is nothing compared to the 7 SPU's on the PS3's Cell Processor, the more efficiently you use each SPU on the PS3 the better the game becomes and so far no one's done that. What Naughty Dog meant by using the PS3's full potential as clarified by ND's Even Whells was that they used every SPU in the PS3 but they have NOT maxed out the 7 SPU's so there's tons of space for improvements in the near future"

You get my agree.

But it's more than just 7 SPU's what about the RSX and 256 XDR RAM, without it it was nearly imposable to get the Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2.
The RSX is also a very powerful chip,has more power than a gimped Ati PC card.

Remember, the most RSX test was running on PC architecture and not of the Cell architecture that's why the RSX loss the battle with the Xenos. It was unfair test for the RSX.

The cell and the RSX are the calculations, the SPU's are the servers from those chips and the 256 XDR RAM are the super highway from both SPU/CELL and RSX and finely the MONSTER in a black box :)

This is what many people forget about it.

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chrisulloa - 54 days 15 hours ago

LOL good one

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Mr Face Creamer - 54 days 10 hours ago

Take a chill pill, or an English lesson.

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keysy420 - 54 days 12 hours ago

if your looking for call of duty controls get mag, the configuration is different but it feels like call of duty and not a grtty shootere like killzone 2.

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xcox - 54 days 5 hours ago

you're used to the massive auto-aiming going on most 360 shooters.

it's like racing with driving assist and an automatic gearbox: it's more n00b friendly but not very exciting

welcome, to the real world

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cyborg6971 - 54 days 9 hours ago

Ha sac your sackless your little box has nothing but smoke and mirrors and how do you know how long uc2 is unless you've played it try again douchey mc douche.

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Pirateogta - 54 days 9 hours ago

People are tired of playing games on 6 DVDs? Boy, what games are these? I've yet to play a game on more than 1 DVD.

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ZBlacktt - 54 days 9 hours ago

It's called "figure of speech" but I see some need it broken down for them.

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cyborg6971 - 54 days 9 hours ago

Then I guess your not going to be playing rage are you pirate cause last time I checked it will be on multiple discs. You lose.

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ZBlacktt - 54 days 8 hours ago

What about FFXIII? 3 / 4 disc?, lol..

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cyborg6971 - 54 days 8 hours ago

What's that z 3 to 4 discs for ff wow forgot about that one. Pirate this is the point z was making you have a gimpy disc format. He was just trying to be nice.

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The Iron Sheik - 54 days 5 hours ago

There is delusional and then there is what you and iMad posted.

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cyborg6971 - 54 days 3 hours ago

Once again jijoro's breath smells like sh!t cause he's talking out his a$$.

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