Xbox360 Devs Can't Match PS3 Exclusives Without The X-Engine

Grandreaper9999 - 56 days 12 hours ago

I KNEW this was a HHG article. I prefer watching Tor and listening to the Warzone.. HHG's flamebait tacklebox looks pretty empty nowadays.

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Belasco - 56 days 11 hours ago

Sorry to burst your bubble there mate, but spu's are most certainly not anything like a core.

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AuToFiRE - 56 days 11 hours ago

the xbox 360 is falling behind is dvd9. this isnt a fanboy comment so please bear with me for a moment.

with such small amount of space compared to a pc or bluray, you have to compress the images to fit on the disc, and no matter how great the compression is, you will always lose quality on it, take a raw image file compared to a jpeg, raw is a purely uncompressed file with amazing colours and sharpness yet at the same time the picture is anywhere from 30 megs upwards, when you compress it down to jpeg you lose a huge amount of quality yet the file is now at a much more sane 100kb, its the same way with games, textures have to be compressed and lose the valuable quality feel of it

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Karum - 56 days 11 hours ago

If MS or one of it's exclusive studios can produce an engine that can do great technical things and make games on that engine that give me a great experience in the same way Sony have done so far then I look forward to seeing it and would welcome it and the games with open arms because it might convince me to get a 360 again.

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hoops - 56 days 10 hours ago

I assume this "X Engine" will working tandem with the 1GB memory they put into the Development kits for game devs from the 512mb.

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hoops - 56 days 10 hours ago

"Microsoft's Project Phoenix, the code name for the next Xbox, could have something to do with the rumoured X-Engine.

Yesterday we brought you the rumour that Microsoft had not only sent out a new Xbox 360 development kit to developers, but had also included a new X-Engine to make the most out of the system.

We believe that it might be more accurate to describe Microsoft's X-Engine as a collection of powerful development tools, which would make the relation to Sony's PlayStation 3 Edge Tools more relevant, since we believe Microsoft's initiative won't be restrictive.

The significance of the development tools are still the same (if not more so) and we'll continue to refer to the project as Microsoft's X-Engine, since this appears to be what some developers refer to it as.

Today we bring you a little bit of speculation on Microsoft's Project Phoenix, or what many of you might have called the Xbox 720. The project's early technical specs have been sent out to select developers (who are then matching them on PC) and an interesting feature has been tested.

We're told that developer's have tested the running of Xbox 360 games on the Project Phoenix's technical specs with not only upscaling, but increased AA (anti-aliasing), increased AF (anastropic filtering), a higher framerate and generally improved performance. The potential is that the next Xbox will not only run Xbox 360 games, it will improve their performance and graphics (think the PS3's smoothing and filtering of PS2 games but to a much greater degree).

We're also told that the X-Engine (or what we believe to be a selection of powerful development tools) will also be used on Project Phoenix, meaning that developers will be able to start working on games for the next-generation Xbox much earlier and will achieve earlier gains."

I guess its a wating game to see how this comes out

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pepbizmo - 56 days 10 hours ago

the X-Engine also unlocks more Hardware features of the 360 that haven't been used yet...the newest PC cards will use the new Directx 11 which includes the use of hardware Tesselation and Memexport.

The X-Engine will make it possible to use those two Hardware features in the Xbox360 because Tesselation and memexport were dorment hardware features of the Xbox360(unused till now). look up Tesselation/directx 11 on google and ATI/AMD Cinema 2.0 and see what the implications are for games.

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zerocrossing - 56 days 10 hours ago

is it just me or is the guy in the vid freeking stupid and or retarded! this is without a dought one of the most patheticly boring vids ive seen in a long time? yeah ok im not a rap fan so this is not going to ever appeal to me but i watched it as many people here said to do so as to be "educated", but i have to say that educated i was not the X engine sounds like a add on pack like wat the N64 did to acheive 60 HZ in there later games i have a feeling this will allow the 360 to level peg with the PS3 at best watever additions come with it well thats not to be known as fact right now, its nice to know MS got somone who can appeal to ALL the 360 fanboys but seriously if this is the consumer market they want to appeal to then MS has lost wat little respect i had left for them they finaly hit rock bottem.

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gamingisnotacrime - 56 days 10 hours ago

Games produced for 360 that match PS3 quality = 0
Easier to develop for: X360
To hard to develope for (some developers hate the PS3 architecture, Valve): PS3

Up until now, the games have not been seen, only the argument ______ can be made on 360 also blah blah blah, but no one does the game, so fail.

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badkolo - 56 days 10 hours ago

here come the haters. flame on

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evilmonkey501 - 56 days 10 hours ago

It doesn't matter how many x engines you invent. The xbox doesn't have the storage medium to hold the larger textures and it doesn't have the cell to throw up those high polygon counts. The ps3 is light years ahead of anything the xbox can do.Lets compare recent exclusives by both companies.

http://www.kombo.com/images...

http://www.winhelpline.info...

Direct x 11 and tessellation are nice effects n all, but without the ability to store a high number of high resolution textures its all for moot. Games would look awesome but be only 5 minutes long...thats why we need bluray.

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sgtmus - 56 days 10 hours ago

I'm really getting fed up with HHG.
I've given him a chance. But I have had enough.

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melkyre - 56 days 9 hours ago

What I don't understand about all these comments is the definition of quality ... Is quality just graphics and animations ?
I think these parameters are quite important and
I must admit I'm impressed with Uncharted 2 or KZ2 but in the end what makes them great games ?
GOW are great games because of the storytelling and the pathos.
There are impressive games for both console and right now I enjoy PS3 more, but this is not due to lack of "X - Engine" for XBox 360.
In the end it all depends on your taste for games.
Btw who did not enjoy Monkey Island or Duke Nukem and don't tell me they had excellent graphics and animations :)

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DirtyLary - 56 days 9 hours ago

This guys needs his own gimmick. Way to much MTV rapper wanna be going on. What's with the hand gestures? Do you see little Wayne do this so you've got to do it? Be original.

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Omega Zues - 56 days 9 hours ago

I dont think Epic likes the X engine...

lol

but no seriously there is no X engine.

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ssbains - 56 days 9 hours ago

hehe -- Microsoft rushed out the console to get a headstart on installed base which they did. But they did not futureproof the design, focus was to get out first.

While there are small improvements and memory bandwidth improvements, games are still limited to DVD capacity limit and hardware is based on an old PC architecture. XBOX 360 is nearly done, once Sony pushes out God of War III, Heavy Rain and Gran Turismo 5, it will be time to put a fork in Microsoft XBOX 360

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taylor35 - 56 days 9 hours ago

same sh!t different day !!
maybe true but are you going to wait 4-5 years for sony to make
a Exclusive game like gt 5

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condemmedman - 56 days 9 hours ago

cant you guy give it a rest! it's frikkin boring both systems have great games having the best graphics does not always means the best games .Cant you losers just game and stop worrying who has the most powerful/selling/best graphics/ insert what you wish here .

Game on or just F'ck off

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badkolo - 56 days 9 hours ago

dont worry, because it doesnt matter, even if they start making games that are on par with u2 and killzone 2 these tards will still find some new crap to spew.

even though we all knew long ago that the ps3 was more powerful and eventually the games will look better down the road and besides the fact that the 360 is holding up decently enough these tards will still diss the 360 over and over because its not about games to them its only about how the 360 sucks and the ps3 is god. also 95% of these tards are under the age of 16 and it shows

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bigjclassic - 56 days 9 hours ago

at leasr to me it is. In the next 2 years we will have 2 new consoles: Xbox 3 and Wii2. While PS3 will still be around and devs will most likely finally will have mastered the PS3 technology by then.

If I was MS I would focus on a new console, and if I wasn't making a new console focus on Natal as much as possible. Next year will be year 5 for 360 and that is usually when console cycles end. MS needs Natal to extend 360 shelf life and that is a basic as I can make it.

With Wii2 coming around 2011, it should be significantly stronger than 360 and on par with PS3,so MS having a strong foothold with Natal is a must.

PS3 should still be going strong by 2011 and should see overall console sales around 40 million by then. If not they will need to really evaluate what plan of attack they want to continue with.

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Henry Cain - 56 days 9 hours ago

Really not a good time to be M$. If their system is suppose to be as good or better than the PS3, why do they need some new engine to make this possible? What I want to know hiphopgamer is what system do u like the best because everytime 360 comes with something new u jump on their side Natal,sky,netflix. You said M$ is going to come hard. As soon as sony dropped the PS3 price you was like the PS3 is going to win. Real talk Sony was always going to beat M$. From the start Sony said the PS3 is the complete entertainment package for ur gaming,movies, or whatever. The media said the PS3 had an identity problem . Now M$ is trying to make the 360 into an entertainment console, like Sony. The media give the 360 a break is so true because if the PS3 had a 33% failure the media would chop Sony's head off. Sony say we got the better console(which they do) everybody ready tto get the frak

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NiteX - 56 days 8 hours ago

The generic engine? How will that help the 350 not be so inferior to the PS3? Short answer, It won't.

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loslonelyman - 56 days 8 hours ago

HipHopgamers new "Malcolm X-Engine"

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hiphopgamer - 56 days 7 hours ago

@everyone

1. Thanks for the comments good, bad, and stupid. Check this out though similiar to the edge engine utilized in the ps3 dev tool set look at how these games enhanced so much, but also look at how multi plat games on ps3 are performing now since the addition of these new tools. Killzone 2 was enhanced utilizing the edge tool set for ps3 devs.

2. xbox360 had a rough year in terms of reaching that milestone in game quality, that we're seeing in ps3 titles but 2010 already looks night and day in comparison and the same effect that gears of war had on gamers prepare to be blown away in 2010 with the xbox360.

Unreal Engine doesn't even get the most out of the 360 yet it's the most used engine on the platform so that means with the addition of this tool set/x-engine it should allow for memory to be used in games, better testing for games before their released, and a better and easier development process for the games coming out.

Shane kims says the 360 can last to 2015 well with this upgrade in terms of being competitive yes this may very well be the answer

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Atomic Punk - 56 days 7 hours ago

I believe it's real and will happen. Microsoft has spent the last 4 yrs on trying to grow market share and XBox Live. They are a software company, why wouldn't they want the best looking games

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Dlacy13g - 56 days 7 hours ago

Sorry but I wont watch his videos anymore. He is an utter tool. And whats the deal with the "belt" he is always flashin. Is he trying to show the world he is the champ? Cause someone should let him know he is the "chump".

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Rio-Hustla-Inc - 56 days 7 hours ago

@Diacy13g yeah Chump enough that you had to leave a comment to support the article right? Your just a hater........................

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The Kingslayer - 56 days 6 hours ago

Good article...I'm going to expand on it.

Be a gamer...Not a hater

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FanboysSuk - 56 days 6 hours ago

The "X-engine"?! This is what they've named it? The "X-engine"? No really..."X-engine".

Well with this new engine and Crytek's latest for consoles, at least the xbox crowd might get to see something other than yet another glowing and blurry Unreal3 engine game....about bloody time as it's FAR OVERDUE!

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Digital-_-Smoke - 56 days 6 hours ago

You still talking about the X engine >???
This project has been canceled

Desperate time desperate measures for the bots

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Hayabusa 117 - 56 days 5 hours ago

Notice how when it was the Xbox vs PS3, it wasn't about computing power, it was about which console has sold the most. Now the tide has changed and Sony fanboys are singing a different tune. lol as always.

" 2010 seems to be turning out to be the exact opposite in terms of game"

What? Are you daft? Splinter Cell conviction, Heavy Rain, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, Halo Reach, not to mention all the unannounced games...you mean these games are gona be sh!t?

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Gladiator7 - 56 days 5 hours ago

in 2008 everything changed..

Sony devs > MS devs
PS3 > X360
Sony > MS

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crazydrummerlad1 - 56 days 4 hours ago

but dat dont mean the competition aint doin da same. uncharted 2 n killzone 2 r in da past now. now we're expecting uc3 n kz3 n even resistance 3 which r supposed to raise the bar even higher. not to mention heavy rain gow3 n gt5 constantly pushin the graphical bar higher. MS may b makin improvements but can they keep up wit sony's momentum???.....i personally doubt it....but good article nun the less. i like HHG very much

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