Gran Turismo 5's "Head Tracking" Explained

sonarus - 107 days 18 hours ago

Lets be realistic. Unless the build shown at gamescon is an extremely old build, GT5 is not ready for release and should NOT be released this yr. I don't want a half game that will get completed with future patches i would much rather wait for a full game with quality features worth showing off. The game hardly even has damage done right, i honestly don't see how head tracking can be added in unless its already added in and still release the game for December

Unless there is going to be another GT5 prologue 2 or something...like i said GT5 is not ready for release

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THE MAX SPEED 21 - 107 days 18 hours ago

I kinda agree with soranus. It feels like they'Re rushing GT5 for the 09 release to sell with SLim.

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Zedux - 107 days 18 hours ago

what did that turn 10 guy say about been "disappointed" with Gran Turismo and now Forza 3 was gonna take over!!

guess what in your dreams M$'s employee in your f*king dreams!

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beavis4play - 107 days 18 hours ago

haven't you ever seen the message before a demo plays which states: " this demo is not a complete representation of what the final product will look and/or play like"?....or words to that effect.

just because the damage modeling didn't look "complete" to you at gamescom.......i'm guessing that was still a demo. (possibly from an old build) although, from what i've seen.....i'd take that game as is. it looked really nice. this "damage" thing seems to have become a new buzzword with a lot of people on the site.......

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siyrobbo - 107 days 16 hours ago

that example was rendered on 14 qs21 blade servers, they cost about $10,000 each. Also they were using an infra red camera not the ps eye

still might be good if they can pull it off on ps3 (can imagine leaning out of cover in uncharted 2, would be quite cool!)

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Game13a13y - 107 days 14 hours ago

wow, i don't mean to rub it in, but wow... seems like GT 5 gonna kill Forza 3 (the so-called definitive racing sim with no weather change, 2 discs, and "rewind" noob feature)

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Ju - 107 days 12 hours ago

Headtracking with the PS3/PS-Eye has been shown before (I think in 2007). That's not new in itself, it's just new in a high profile game.

(BTW: Those 14qs21 were used to raytrace those 3M triangles. PS3 got a RSX to do that).

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vhero - 107 days 12 hours ago

Now we know why GT5 has took so damn long with all this nice little features that is gonna make it THE ultimate racing game. I really think its on another level when compared to Forza etc...

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D4RkNIKON - 107 days 10 hours ago

My only complaint with this head tracking is.. When you turn your head in real life it is to see something next to you, when you do it in this game your eyes will still need to be looking forward (at the screen). The only way to really pull this off comfortably is to have three screens so that when you turn your head to the left, you can look at the screen on your left.

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zeeshan - 107 days 9 hours ago

FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE COMPARING GT5 AND FORZA....

Please don't! GT5 is probably the biggest driving sim and Forza... well, I don't wana talk trash about it but lets just say GT5 owns Forza even though FORZA ain't bad but you just can't compare both of these games!

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D4RkNIKON - 107 days 7 hours ago

Your comment shows your blind ignorance. Your one bubble shows that others tend to disagree with you. Your ignored by 50 users shows that, well lets make that 51.

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zeeshan - 107 days 3 hours ago

@xlive: Yeah, keep up and you'll soon run out of bubbles for sure!

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chaosatom - 107 days 1 hour ago

for implementing it.

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x__JL__X - 106 days 22 hours ago

First let me say I didn't watch these videos so I don't know if this was covered in there or not (I'm guessing not since people are still saying you can't really pull it off). So now, for those saying that it would be hard or even impossible to truly pull off without hampering the gamer, not true at all. Got to actually look at it and even test it. Look at your tv, now turn your head yet keep your eyes fixed on the center of the tv. Not so hard is it? You can get some good motion in there before you hinder your vision of the screen. The only thing they need to do in this game is adjust the tracking ratio. For instance, if I turn my head only 10 degrees in real life, then the game needs to consider that as being like 20 degrees. That way you only have to turn your head 45 degrees (which gives you a very clear view of the tv still) to be able to make your character look straight to his left or right.

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likedamaster - 106 days 19 hours ago

G......I......M......M......I. .....C......K

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elitesupreme - 106 days 12 hours ago

"Also they were using an infra red camera not the ps eye"
-> FYI, the PSeye IS an infrared camera. just saying.

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talltony - 107 days 11 hours ago

"Want to see how close your opponents are to catching up? Turn your head and look at the wing mirror. Want to see which gear you're using? Look down at the transmission and see for yourself as you would in a real car. Want to check out the racing line beyond the next corner? Look beyond the turn just like real drivers do."

Cool as Hell! This feature alone makes the game absolutely outstanding!

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starvinbull - 107 days 18 hours ago

It's a low tech way of doing 3D it could be patched into games with 3D cameras.

Headache? Pfft! That sounds like noob talk to me.

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ReservoirDog316 - 107 days 18 hours ago

Noob? If you say so.

That word annoys me for some reason...

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beardpapa - 107 days 18 hours ago

That video on GTplanet is a poor representation of how head tracking would work in a racing game.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This guy uses a PC ir head tracking camera. Skim to 2/3rd of the video and he demonstrates it.

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ReservoirDog316 - 107 days 17 hours ago

Yeah it does look cool. Especially in that video. How do these people think up this stuff?

Anyways bubbles for the cool video.

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ThatArtGuy - 107 days 17 hours ago

Yeah, that link is awesome! Car video starts about 4:00 in.

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lh_swe - 107 days 16 hours ago

This looks awesome, one more step towards 3D gaming :)

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peeps - 107 days 16 hours ago

tbh it's only useful for racing games if you have a 3 monitor set up else you turn your head to the right and guess what, you're no longer looking at the screen

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vhero - 107 days 12 hours ago

@ above imagine it on FPS games looking over cover?

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Ju - 107 days 11 hours ago

Not just for 3 monitors. But I agree, most useful in c0ckpit view. E.g. take a look at the mirror, peek around inside the c0ckpit, etc. Should give you a complete new gaming experience, IMO.

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guerojose - 107 days 11 hours ago

Mmmm, no, I think you've got it wrong. This wouldn't be for looking left-right onto adjoining monitors. Think of it more like looking thru a window (e.g. windshield). If you lean forward a bit, you can peer thru the window and get a bit more peripheral vision to your left or right. You're not turning your whole head to the side. This might well be useful for looking thru a corner, seeing the vehicle right alongside, etc.

I'm hoping this is indeed included in the final game.

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JHUX - 107 days 5 hours ago

On the related videos I forgot which one I saw, but they explain the headtracking and how it will pick up your small head movements, so if you need to look behind you for any reason you wouldn't have to do a full head turn and look away from the screen, you could look behind you and still have your eyes looking at the screen.
I think it would be pretty much like this, http://www.youtube.com/watc... I found the link :D It's the part when he talks about motion scaling.

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x__JL__X - 106 days 22 hours ago

I don't know why people keep insisting that if you turn your head that your eyes turn with your head. You people do understand that your eyes aren't in a locked position of looking straight ahead at all times right? I mean I can sit here and look at the computer monitor, turning my head (quite a good ways at that) and the center point of my vision never changes. In other words: YOUR EYES MOVE TOO PEOPLE! They don't HAVE to follow your head movement. So there's room to work with there. More than enough.

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FiftyFourPointTwo - 107 days 17 hours ago

100% agree.

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Ravage27 - 107 days 13 hours ago

Lack of damage certainly won't take away anything from the driving experience imo.

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Jrome - 107 days 10 hours ago

Thank you for saying this, now I don't have to rant.

Agree 100% as well.

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Marquis_de_Sade - 107 days 9 hours ago

I'm going to buck the trend and disagree, it's true that the previous GT games have all been of a very high standard, but I expect some form of evolution in games. By following your way of thinking we don't want or need voice chat for multiplayer, no form of visual customisation.

Damage is a good feature in racing games, playing GT5 prologue on line is a pain, as the bumping penalty system is hardly foolproof, giving players a lasting penalty (damage) for shunting other players is a much better preventative method.

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Pennywise - 107 days 6 hours ago

I think the big deal about it was the fact they call this game a racing simulator. They are realistic in every aspect of driving except the fact the cars did not receive damage.

This feature just authenticates everything else. That is why it is important. This game needs to have EVERY feature.

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x__JL__X - 106 days 22 hours ago

100% agree with you leeger. I never understood the be-all-end-all mentality about damage. I have no use for it in the game really at all. Penalty for running into walls or something, yes. Actual damage? Could care less.

@Pennywise
But that shouldn't be held again PD. They have been one of the greatest driving sims (greatest ever on console), the actual physical damage though has nothing to do with them. Up until this point (and even now still to a degree it seems), they aren't ALLOWED to have that damage due to the car manufacturers not letting them.

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DaTruth - 107 days ago

In hundred million dollar movies they still stick a hundred balls to people for motion capture. Does anyone believe MS is going to do this with Natal for an affordable price, without the little balls? Why are they spending millions on studios for motion capture? Wouldn't somebody in the film and game business have figured this out before? And from what we've seen so far, it doesn't work!

Have you ever seen a dude behind a curtain? Bam... There it is!!!

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Perkel - 107 days 15 hours ago

with head tracking you can actually lean in car dumbass

you can lean back lean forward and then look right.. you can't do that with just d-pad

ehh ..

watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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WenisWagon - 107 days 17 hours ago

Actually Shaka, if you bothered to read the article and watch the video you will know that this technology came from IBM/Johnny Chung Lee (who created the technology using the Wii remote ironically). Of course I would never expect a moron like yourself to bother knowing all of that.

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Gamer1111 - 107 days ago

sure sure...but ill take forza customization feature over this crap any day...

i mean whats the point to look away from your tv...ahahah so stupid

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FiftyFourPointTwo - 107 days 18 hours ago

Enjoy your flopza's rewind function, bot.

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54percent - 107 days 18 hours ago

Bu-bu-bu-but Milooooooo!!!11

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Flawza Motorputt 3 - 107 days 18 hours ago

LOL that is the most butthurt bs I've ever heard. Don't have to use the rewind button...kinda like how we don't have to hook up the camera. And as if Flawza has weather and night racing? Not that it matters to GT5, since it has been confirmed for it. I'll take the extra 600 cars, WRC and Nascar though, thank you very much. GT5 makes Flawza look like Mario Kart, and hell that's a bit generous. That is, if the 3sh*tty can even run the game before it blows up.

D-Nai-L

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NaiNaiNai - 107 days 17 hours ago

man you guys are stupid, you always seem to lump me with the other "bots".

A. Natal sucks, just like the wand, just like the wii, just like the eyetoy. they are all gimics that get old.

B. "GT5 has 900 cars". yea and what 42 tracks....but but it has nascar, yea and 2 tracks you race it on, thats a waste of 4+ cars right there, off road won't even have more then 8 tracks, F1 will be limited to series as well,how many corollas will the game have, do you really want to race your family wagon from 1992, how about the 20 versions of WRX all within 2 years of each other. number of cars means squat if they are all the same engine but one of them has a sun roof and the others a convertable.

C. Night racing and weather, the game is supposed to release this winter, yet.........There have been no pictures, videos, nothing of the weather system in the game, no night racing either.

D.Poor damage, they haven't even put damage on 1/10 of the cars and they are saying its going to release this winter as well. this game still has another 2-3 years of dev before it should be release. but you guys seem to like patchs so to you it will be fine.

what ever floats your boat, enjoy GT-HD .5 BETA.

*I debate with logic, you debate with, 54.2%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, FLOPZA 3, RROD!!!!!!!, NO GAMES!!!!!!.

doesn't matter what you say, I know I'm right and the intelligent people know I'm right as well.

@below

really fact, the 54.2 was announced on a pole, on the same site thats known for people screwing with the poles. they also state the ps3 had a 11+% fail rate on that same pole yet you people deny that, so how does your "fact" work if you won't accept everything from it.

No games = Fact

Really
Froza 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Fable III, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, GTA gay tony *counts as game, since its longer then resistents 2* I can keep going, not to mention all the multiplats that can be played on the system as well.

those assumptions are all based on facts. please post the pictures of the weather system and night racing.

the fact that 1/10 of the cars having damage was stated by the Devs themselfs.

the fact that the majority of the cars int the game are not even racing cars nor would majority of them be modified for racing makes it lacking.

come on really, are you going to try and argue with me when I've already told you facts and all you can come up with is. but but but 54.2% and no games. even though I already shut that down to. and don't try and pull its going to be on PC BS, because its still not on the ps3 now is it.

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Flawza Motorputt 3 - 107 days 17 hours ago

42 tracks? Try 80+. Oh and what's with all the other assumptions? Grasping at straws now are you? Have the Forza devs implement gear shifting animations, then talk. You're pretty much demoralized for supporting an inferior and faulty console and all the intelligent people know that as well. Your knees are practically shaking. Last time I checked, the 54.2 (more or less), RROD, and NO GAMES (post 2008) is logic. In fact, it's the truth.

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Wiitactics - 107 days 13 hours ago

In Gran Turismo the damage is not only cosmetic because it affects gameplay, that's why is so hard to implement. What other racing game you have seen that the damage affects the gameplay? This is your response: None.

And most of the info Nai has on his comment it's just BS so, ignore him.

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wxer - 107 days 11 hours ago

@NaiNaiNai

cant you just one day say something good about Sony or the PS3 ??
geeeeeeez and you guys call us haters ??!!!

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Abriael - 107 days 8 hours ago

Sorry to burst a pretty silly bubble here, but you don't have to look away from the screen. With the trackir the movements are gradually amplified as the focal point gets near to the corner of the screen. So no, you'll juat have to move your head a bit more to look behind you, which is still an HELL of a lot better and less cumbersome than having to control your viewpoint via your thumb.

If you don't recognize the potential of this tech, i'm afraid you're either a rabid forza fanboy or simply don't know what you're talking about.

And I'd really be curious to know why having "non racing" cars would be a flaw. Many "non racing" cars are used worldwide for amateur car racing or street racing, so your point is totally moot. They're actually quite often much more fun to race with that 200 MPH monsters.
Even in Forza 2 class C and D races are quite often the most interesting.

I understand that forza fanboys are panicking as GT5 features get released, but you're really grasping at straws. But in the end this is the open area, so fanboyish behavioir is to be expected.

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weazel - 107 days 7 hours ago

just you dude...

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weazel - 107 days 7 hours ago

I hope you get a gold star off your 3rd grade teacher for your monumental 7,000,000 word essay entitled "How my butt hurts cause of all those bad people at sony and the dirty nasty people who buy playstations and not mama microsofts box of loveliness." Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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SimonSaysBuyPs3 - 107 days 8 hours ago

Not many people have heard of rfactor, and theres a reason, PC gaming is not as popular or social as console gaming, also costs more money. So its unfortunate they don't port games like rfactor.

Gran Turismo on the contrary is well known, its 2 player mode has always been infamous, and its just a fun game all round.

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itchy18 - 106 days 22 hours ago

k

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Gamer1111 - 106 days 21 hours ago

kk

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