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Square Enix's Move To The 360: A Terrible Mistake?

OXCGN staff debate for and against the recent moves by Square Enix to widen their horizons and pursue the Western markets with an increased emphasis on supporting the Xbox 360:

Excerpt from the FOR argument:

"There will be a learning curve but essentially it is a move that if approached correctly could see some bigger games coming out, changing RPG's and other games that we have grown to love.

Sure we will still have our JRPG's (Japanese Roleplaying Games) but here is an opportunity to amalgamate to styles into the one game and even if it only stays afloat for a short period of time I am sure it will deliver something special.

It is a big step for any company such as Square Enix and wont be cheap however the gamble could really pay off."

Excerpt from the AGAINST argument:

"As a hardcore JRPG fan, I have to lay all my cards on the table. I could sit here and tell you that Square Enix's support for the Xbox 360 has brought about a wonderful new era in gaming, or that their 360 outings have produced stellar results, but I won't. I won't try and convince you otherwise because we both know it's not true.

Last Remnant is currently in my Xbox and I'm contemplating how the mighty have fallen."

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PLAYSTATIONGENRATION - 396 days 9 hours ago

1 - Duh

The honest truth....there are very few 360 owners who bought it for rpgs...I know I didnt

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sushipoop - 396 days 9 hours ago

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The Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery = Both published by Square-Enix and they are also the two WORST rated JRPG's of the year. They're dead to me. Don't care about FFXIII either. At least Versus XIII looks different, unlike any other FF. Rumors say it will be rated M too. Can't freaking wait.

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I'd agree with you there, but still, point is, a major studio and firm is - should I say, Has moved to the platform, and it could spell bad things for them if they lose the following they once had in Japan.

Japanese people as a nation are fickled at best when it comes to whatthey support. If they see a company 'deserting them" they usually do not take kindly to it. Look at Sony. Nindi has stayed true to its main supporters. The Japanese.

They (Japanese) have made it the highest selling console and platform as a whole over all others. Sony, the once loved platform of Japan is now run by Gajins and they (Japanese) are nit taking kindly to that, and it is reflected in how they treat the company locally.

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Peter Griffin - 396 days 9 hours ago

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w/e the case is, im still waiting for XIII's deliverance. ill say this over and over but the engine that was running Versus and XIII is perhaps til this day the best graphics i ever seen.

only Crysis and K2 fall within its catergory

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ZackFair - 396 days 9 hours ago

1.4 - @ sushipoop

The keyword here is 'published'.

Square Enix did not create Infinite Undiscovery, Tri-ace did. As for Last Remnant, that was developed by the less talented SaGa series team.

And it shows. Luckily the teams that matter are busy working on XIII and Versus.

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NaiNaiNai - 396 days 8 hours ago

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dont forget that tri-ace is putting all of there effort into star ocean 4, so its not surprising, tell me what other games besides FF and KH have been good from SE, you got remember, they are putting these games out so poeple have something to play while they are working on there best titles. tell me what was the gap between FFX and FFXII. alot and both games where good. same for KHI and KHII. you people seem to forget before they only made those games. now they put out extra for you and you hate it and want to leave. T_T because they wanted to give extra.
-nai-

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pavarotti - 396 days 8 hours ago

1.6 - zackfair

that's what i thought. i think perhaps articles like this should wait until final fantasy is here. if the flag-ship title bombs, then it's certain that square have lost their magic. until then, the rest is speculation.

plus, if you want hits for your web-site, you only have to post something negative with 360 in the title for a massive hit boost from n4g.

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el_bandito - 396 days 8 hours ago

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SE sure will get a lot of $ going multi-plat.

Many have swallowed already the FFXIII-to-360-jawdropper that led to the delay of the PS3 version, but with Infinite Discovery and Last Remnant...

Boy! SE sure did lose some of it's good rep.

As one guy from N4G commented, SE is fastly becoming the EA of Japan. They get money constantly that they don't mind already how good or crappy their games are.

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Willio - 396 days 8 hours ago

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I wouldnt buy FF13 since it went multiplatform. Since Square-enix went multiplatform, the quality has to be equal so as a result, xbox360 will gimp the PS3 version. Its not even a conspiracy, just face the facts.

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gaminoz - 396 days 8 hours ago

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@ Pavarotti

Mate you need to READ the article, despite the title. It's a DEBATE, which means one guys is FOR and one guy is AGAINST. The title is suggestive of what a lot of people are saying out there..is it a stuff up?

I guess you're right about people being more attracted to negative, but that's in most of these N4G articles....Mind you don't you think it interesting a 360 site has that as a title? You'd expect that from a PS3 site wanting to drag the whole Square Enix going to 360 thing down.

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pavarotti - 396 days 8 hours ago

1.10 - not really gaminoz

it doesn't matter that the site has 360 in the title, you're a contributor, and have obviously been around to know how it works on n4g.

how many replys and hits do you think it would get without a bit of 360 negativity in the title?? not many. i'm sorry if i sound cynical, but there's plenty of sites that leech hits from this site by doing negative 360 stuff. gameplayer.com.au(from your part of the world aswell) is a site that automatically springs to mind...there's others whos name escapes me.

and the thing is, se have only published some of the recent under-performing games, they've not developed them. as i said, until ff13 is here, judgement should be reserved.

anyway, pm later if i was right and you recieved an influx of traffic to your site toiday.....i think you will!

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gaminoz - 396 days 7 hours ago

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@ Pavarotti

What are you on about? Do you have an anti-Australia site thing?

I read a lot of Gameplayer stuff and they have views that often contradict the majority here: some of their writers were pro WW2 when almost everyone here said COD WAW wouldn't work and there were too many WW2 games (all 2 this year). So I don't think they try to put anti-360 headlines out there for hits either; they just put up controversal opinions. Which is good...

I think you are suffering from the fact that there IS a lot of Sony fanboyism on N4G: I've seen plenty of it. But 360 fanboyism isn't any better.

You are right about waiting and seeing, but part of the fun of gaming is anticipation and the debate about if a game will or will not live up to expectation.

A lot of people here haven't been spouting anti-360 rubbish; they have a variety of opinions including the Square and Enix mix, the fact that making a game on 360 seems to make them feel like they need to Westernise more then if they stayed with Sony, and the engine used now. Also the question: was it really a coup for the 360 to have Square Enix anyway, the way they are going?

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JoySticksFTW - 396 days 4 hours ago

1.12 - More like Square's move to "Let's make the most money possible!" instead of "Let's game great games and the money will come" is killing them

I understand that it's a business, but really... this new direction in just pushing out games just smacks of EA tactics.

Oh, Square will still have a hit or two every few years, but the glory days of their "every game is special" mentality seems to be gone.

No more FFI-XII, Mother/Earthbound, CronoTrigger/CronoCross, Xenogears, Parasite Eve quality titles year after year

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ultimolu - 396 days 2 hours ago

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I see these games (Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remnant) as a way for Square to make quick cash.

It's just disgusting on their part.

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 1 hour ago

1.14 - @ el_bandito

It NEEDS to in order to survive in todays market place.

As hard as it might be to understand, these companies do HAVE to make a profit, and continue to grow and expand. They have these funny things called "Shareholders' - -They actually supply the MONEY that allows companies to future-invest, without which, they would not be able to fund a single game to the tune of say $US20 - $US50 mil.

So you'll have to forgive them for wanting to become the biggest at what they do. Yes, they are looking at becoming the biggest known Japanese Based Publishing and Development house. So bloody what. Get a grip, without them doing that, they will have to close their doors for good.

Investors have this funny thing about slipping market shares, and they do this odd thing by removing their portfolios (read lots and lots one money) from supporting that company, and re-invest it into one that is moving ahead, even if it may well be showing a loss at the time. It's called future capital investing.

Ubisoft is French Canadian based Publishing and Development house, no different to Square Enix. Except that SE is based in Japan,and has had primarily a Japanese user base. In order for it to grow and stay "viable" it MUS open up to the west and opther markets - or face the distinct possibility of having to shut down or at least minimise it's ventures. Which is again, not what investors want.

Sure sure, what the hell t=do many gamers care about stocks, shares and investors. Well, without them, you'd have NO BLOODY GAMES to complain and moan about

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kazuma - 396 days ago

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i don't blame the move to 360, what i blame is that they're saying to ppl "we're going for a more global approach on our games", and then they clearly release more stuff on 360 than on ps3 and wii combined and u have to be blind not to see they're after the american market.
ds < psp < 360 < ps3 + wii
i mean honestly what's with all the crap about forgetting the two biggest japanese consoles and forgetting the two most sold consoles in europe? (and honestly let's not even start about sold console crap, ps3 and wii dominate asia and europe. period) still u can't fool me square, it's obvious you just want the american market.
can't really blame them, it is a big market but AT LEAST make the games good, not the crap that undiscovery and remnant turned out.
i'm fearing for star ocean 4 honestly...all this approach to more "americanized" rpg's clearly is not working and just making them SH*T

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el_bandito - 396 days ago

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I'm not whining about how SE is growing up into one major developing tycoons in the gaming industry. It's just good for business in pure sense. What I do not get is, how come SE, despite being endowed with these monetary opportunities, have failed as of the moment to even come close to creating the epic games they did before. Square Co. did the FF series, while Enix did the Dragon Quest Series without a budget as big as they have right now. If they did quality games back then, they should be able to do it again, especially with the recent merger that have given them more room to gain popularity outside of Japan.

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AAACE5 - 395 days 21 hours ago

1.18 - Does anyone care?

The japanese will get FFXIII exclusively on Ps3, so their so called loyalty can live on!

If you look through the history of Ps2 games, there have been alot of games from Square and Enix and alot of other developers that were crap... But no one cared about them much. But now those developers are making games for 360, now every game is under a microscope!

Everyone says the 360's architecture is similar to a PC, so the learning curve shouldn't be that hard, considering all games are made using a PC. Not to mention, most games are made using a multiplat engine. Also FFXIII is being made with the White engine, which is a multiplat engine to begin with!

Seriously people... Just let it go!

@Arrrgh... I know, but I am an optimist. I keep hoping one day it might work... Hahaha!

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kevnb - 395 days 20 hours ago

1.20 - article 10,001 about sqaure enix and xbox 360

its really getting annoying. In the end, all the hate is just because FFXIII is going to the 360. It's not like Square hasn't put out many mediocre games all along. Dirge of Cerberus, Threads of Fate, Radiata Stories, Parasite Eve, Legend of Mana, Musashi Samurai Legend, Drakengard, Dawn of Mana, Unlimited SaGa, the Bouncer are just a few of the many many examples of Square games that are mediocre or worse.

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kazuma - 395 days 19 hours ago

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seriously, putting together parasite eve with square-enix shovelware? that's just...i don't have the words for it.
oh and btw some of those games are considerably "better" than undiscovery and remnant.
god to even think ur comparing parasite eve (1 OR 2) to such crapiness...

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kevnb - 395 days 19 hours ago

1.22 - @ kazuma

you missed the point, parasite eve is mediocre. I'd much rather be playing Resident Evil. But if you like it, just scratch it from the list.

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Immortal Kaim - 395 days 18 hours ago

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If people actually read the article they would see it is in the form of a debate. One is arguing 'for' the move to the 360, the other is 'against' the move. How is it fanboyish?

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gaminoz - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I can't really say that Square Enix (despite all the hooplah about them making games for the 360) have really set the world on fire with their games.

Though to be honest I find Japanese RPGs to be overly long, with too many cut scenes or (gasp) reading and not enough gaming. I find the graphical achievements are sometimes amazing and the emphasis on storytelling is laudable, but it doesn't keep my interest.

Can a combinaton of Western and Eastern style make a strong hybrid that appeals more? Maybe. I think they'll have to adapt more than they have so far though, and many won't like that.

As for a former exclusive Sony game maker going to the 360: it is obvious that all of the Japanese developers need to do this for more profitability. Look at Capcom. Good decision for them and their bank accounts. Staying with one console (360 or PS3) just isn't financially logical anymore.

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zag - 396 days 8 hours ago

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Square Enix never existed back then it was square only.

The Desginer/maker at Square after FF7 Did the FF movie it sucked up too much cash and Enix another software company or bank? bought out Square and kept the Square in the name as everyone knew that.

The orginal FF designer/maker left Square Enix or got shoved out and FF has been everything under the sun, different groups different stories, I really liked FF7 but I find the story after 7 is just too hay wire to follow.

I think Square Enix is only going to the 360 because the 360 has a large market in the USA, it's like they are only gearing themselves for a move to the US and the japan side is sort of being dragged over to the USA way of thinking.

Which is why people are questioning Square Enix's plans.

I think they may have moved far too much to the 360 in the 1 go.

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Immortal Kaim - 396 days 3 hours ago

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Agreed. Though a 360 owner myself, I can see this transition to the West as a wrong move by Square Enix (at least to the extent they have moved).

The simple fact is, JRPG's have always been a niche' market, by trying to expand and incorporate gamers who traditionally stayed away from JRPG's (maybe because of their perceived complexity) and developing games with toned down gameplay mechanics, they are losing the very audience who enjoy the genre' in the first place.

Dare I say it, I don't even own a PS3 but maybe they should have left FF XIII on the one system...

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AAACE5 - 395 days 21 hours ago

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I know alot of you guys love Jrpg's, but SE have to see that companies like Bethesda are taking money and fans away from them! What if their plan is to merge the two? To make games more action oriented.

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Godem - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I love my 360 as much as the PS3..

but my god... keep the final fantasy's with Sony....

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yoshiroaka - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I think its not about platform but about money.
Squarenix just doesnt seem to be putting any effort int o their titles (with the exception of final fantasy 13). They have just been churning out remakes of old games and cheap spin offs of their popular titles in an effort to milk their name.

The last remnant from what reviews say just sounds like they licensed the unreal engine and threw out a quick game to make some holiday money. With out taking the proper time to develop a good game and releasing a buggy flawed experience.

Now this may due to the $$ woes but in my opinion Squarenix hasnt taken this gen seriously yet.

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 9 hours ago

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Yep, agree 100% . .it's a fact that many companies must worry about the $$ . you do know they are in it for the money, not just to make you (us) games for the love of it. They have stockholder to keep happy, tens of thousands of employees to feed and cloth as well as high salaries to maintain to keep the best ppl there.

So yes, it is about $$, but for a good reason, but also, yes, they have not been doing their best as they once did. And it is showing. Many treat the FF series as the second coming to Christ . it isn't . .but still, they do for some odd reason.

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Acj2323 - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I think its good that games that are generally ps3 games move to the xbox 360, but there of course needs to be a market for it, and this doesn't, in my opinion its a wast of time.

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ViceKingz - 396 days 9 hours ago

7 - Note to Square

please break away from enix and start making kick ass games again, tyvm

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OnslaughtX - 396 days 9 hours ago

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It's not about the 360. It's about quality control, or the lack thereof. The magic is missing. Choices like moving to the U3 engine is stupid as hell because they didn't take the time to learn how to properly use it. If it won't run on the 360, then it sure as hell isn't going to work on PS3 editions sadly.

I would say its more about the merger with Enix than anything.

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BigMassacre - 396 days 8 hours ago

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Nah. Even when they merged with Enix, there were still quality titles. Dragon Quest VIII (though it was developed by Level 5, heh), Final Fantasy XII, Star Ocean 3 (Not as good as 2, but not a horrible game at all), Crisis Core, The World Ends With You...etc.

The problem is, they're trying these new ideas with the wrong methods. Its like Square Enix was not prepared for the HD gaming market. Hell, they even plopped Dragon Quest IX on the DS...not only would it sell the best, but they and Level 5 are very familiar with it.

I'd say it would be a decent bet to just wait for Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII. If those fail...then they might as well stick to the portables until they get their act straight.

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Steelspawn - 396 days 9 hours ago

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Well I am all for it. Sure some games are hit & miss and there is the chance it could fail but it could also go the other way.

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baodeus - 396 days 9 hours ago

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I think JRPG just well....OLD. I think western RPGs are rapidly surpassing them.

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Acj2323 - 396 days 2 hours ago

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I would agree, but it still good to have them around to offer diverse games to the market.

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Steven Colbert - 396 days 8 hours ago

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I tried to forgive them but the arrogance of SE has made me unable to truly respect them anymore.Gamers already got burned with Infinite Undiscovery,Chrono Trigger remake cash-in and Last Remnant.New contenders must step in to re-energize the genre

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fishd - 396 days 8 hours ago

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A moment of silence in memory of SQUARESOFT...

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Danja - 396 days 4 hours ago

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Squaresoft were Gods back in the day dude , ever since they merged with Enix the quality of they're games has been going down every year..

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Immortal Kaim - 396 days 3 hours ago

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They were also Gods back in the day of Square. Secret of Mana is still my favourite game of all time.... Oh the memories....

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darkpower - 396 days 8 hours ago

13 - My concerns for SE are the following (in no particular order):

1. Why is SE ignoring all this bad press? The reviews of their games lately have been very negative (the exception is Chrono Trigger DS, a rehash but I don't blame anyone for getting that since it's a rehash of a damn good 16bit era game), their two-faced behavior about being multiplatform and supporting the PS3 when the 360 gets nearly all their action, and the sluggish sales that aren't just because of the economy. This can't be just falling on deaf ears over there, or that no one over there has even heard about the blitz of bad stories being written about them. Why hasn't anyone at SE even ADDRESSED any of these issues yet? Are they too embarrassed at themselves now? My advice to SE: Stop ignoring these things and say something definitive and hold to your word this time.
2. Fanboys were hating FF13 UNTIL Wada made that announcement at MS's E3 keynote. Then they suddenly shoved the fact so far down the PS3 owners' collective throats that it was too hard for them to breathe, telling PS3 owners they had no reason to complain, and pretending like they didn't get screwed by saying "it's still coming out on the PS3". HELLO! Do you guys get the reason behind the outrage? PS3 owners have been hungering for this title for some time, and it has been delayed a LOT. Since you KNOW what MS will be wanting (same date release as the PS3 version), the possibility of the title for PS3 owners being delayed just so MS can have that same date release is highly likely. Unlike the Nintendo to Sony thing a long time ago, there's no storage or CD/cartridge media reason why SE is doing this type of thing this time. Yes, 360 owners deserve good games, too, and yeah, they should be able to play the same great third-party games the PS3 owners do (to a point). However, this must be vice versa, too, and this can't be at the expense of pissing off anymore of your fans who just want to play the goddamn game, already.
3. Yes, the Enix part is screwing with the relations, morals, and standards that the Square part has been known for. Many years has Square held true to the hand the fed them, only feeling the need to go elsewhere when the hand slaps them in the face (as Nintendo did by staying with cartridges instead of moving to the CD media). Now that Enix has seemly seized control of where this ship is being steered, they are following only where they see the river of green from the big corporations that can afford to give a lump some of money that they don't even have a rule on as to how to use it (they could use it for dev costs, building new studios, buying Wada more houses than the seven or so houses John McCain has, without any penalty whatsoever). Square needs to rethink the Enix partnership, if that is even possible now. Oh, wait. There WAS that Square Electronic Arts LLC issue a long time back and Square was able to break away from that, so what's stopping them now.

In short, SE needs to get it together and fast, and actually address these stories that just pile on and on and on. They can't keep ignoring them forever.

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gaminoz - 396 days 8 hours ago

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I don't think any delays will be because of the 360. If that is true then why not just release it on PS3 first then 360 later: Bioshock did that for the PS3. So did Alone in the Dark.

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OnslaughtX - 396 days 8 hours ago

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Rumor has it the US release of the PS3 version will indeed be delayed to allow a simultaneous launch.

I'm fine with it going multiplatform. But holding back the PS3 edition MAKES ZERO BUSINESS SENSE and just stinks of moneyhatting.

I also fear for the state of FFXIII DLC. Secret dungeons? Hidden weapons? $5 - $10 a pop. Disgusting.

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Software_Lover - 396 days 4 hours ago

13.3 - You know why those fanboys did that

Because every argument from ps3 fanboys was

Just wait till FF13 comes out. It was their weapon of choice for every fanboy argument. Then it backfired.

I will agree with you though. Alot of those guys did hate on it until it went multiplat. Now its the best thing since sliced bread.

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KARMA2009 - 396 days 8 hours ago

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yes
answer = Last Remnant 2 out of 5.
loading time,graphic play is ugly,nice CGI.2 disc ain;'t next gen,its last gen DVD9.

PS3 = BLU Ray FTW

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gaminoz - 396 days 8 hours ago

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Yeah, I'm sure it's all because of Blu Ray...

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alexM - 396 days 9 hours ago

1 - I would say a very big mistake

SQUARE is losing reputation in the process

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gaminoz - 396 days 9 hours ago

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Only if they make crap games. Can they do anything amazing except Final Fantasy 3 Billion and five?

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alexM - 396 days 9 hours ago

1.2 - dude

Honestly i think FF13 will be crap too

when companies focus too much on money then this is what happens.
IU flopped, LR flopped , SO4 will flop too (tri ace doesnt make good games)

FF13 will be downgraded for x360 as usual

Honestly just like TECMO Square is finished

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 9 hours ago

1.3 - @ alexM

Unless you've been living in a cave, the world revolves around money, without it, companies can not grow, pay salaries, taxes, keep shareholders happy, which in turn pushes more working capital into the business in order for it to fund "future" products. Which is how the entertainment business works.

It works on a future product,not a product that is being used daily like a TV or car. A Company MUST look at income and how to maintain it. Just about EVERY major developer and publishing house is actually LOSING money . despite pulling in huge $$'s that you see through sales, even Ubisoft lost $310MILLION in the last quarter . . Not last year, but in the last FOUR MONTHS.

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WIIIS1 - 396 days 8 hours ago

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Don't mind alexM, she/it is just another of Nasim's multiple identities, so anything she/it says is just your garden variety delusional fangirl BS crap.

Nasim's such a whiny loser she/it'll start sending you PMs cursing and swearing and when she/it can't keep up with your PM exchanges, she/it will block you from PMs HA!

Then she/it will assume the identity of another one of her/its other multiple accounts hoping that people would have forgotten it is really just Nasim and try to make comments that pass off as the possible beginnings of intelligence. But it is all a horrible facade because the stark raving lunacy will soon surface again.

HEY NASIM!! According to you FFXIII is going to be crap eh? As opposed to say... your WKC yes?? WKC which is a sure AAA winner that will sell so many PS3s that it will put Wii in 2nd place, right??

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earwax - 396 days 1 hour ago

1.5 - Then you have something in common

Your Rep is $hit too you fvcking 30 screen name having LOSER

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pp_ - 395 days 22 hours ago

1.6 - haha

Sqaure follows the money every time. It's Microslaves only weapon.

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Godem - 396 days 9 hours ago

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yeah Square Enix have been bombing out since they released FF12.... all the other final fantasies have been great...

but the point of a single player RPG is to be different to an MMORPG, but FF12 just tries to copy it all, and made it crap (imo)

Here's hoping FF13 goes back to turn based.

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BigMassacre - 396 days 8 hours ago

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XII was a love it or hate it affair. I personally liked it. Sure, turn based or something similar is where its at, but I like trying new things. Plus, I loved the world of Ivalice since Final Fantasy Tactics.

Square Enix just doesn't have it's priorities straight. They want to appeal to the western market, but they should know better to just stick to what they know best instead of trying to be what they're not.

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fishd - 396 days 8 hours ago

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FF XII was a great JRPG,but not a Final fantasy,I mean it just don't have the soul of a ff game,hopefully FFXIII/Vesrus will be as good as old ff games,maybe even better!yay

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dexterwang - 396 days 8 hours ago

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I loved ff12, but I can see why people dislike it. It still sold more than 5 million and recieved >90 on metacritics, so its a huge success IMO...

Everything else Square churned out after that (cept crisis core... I love that game) have been flops and FF13 is looking shakier by the minute

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Immortal Kaim - 396 days 3 hours ago

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I actually purchased FF12 a few months ago, when I have some spare time I really need to play it. It couldn't be as bad as their current offerings?

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Wiimaniac - 396 days 2 hours ago

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FFXII was a great game but too westernized and for those people hat were expecting the usual FF game well, they'll going to get disappointed.

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rob6021 - 396 days 8 hours ago

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SE has been very far behind this gen tech wise, the last two games were rushed, I'm willing to bet the projects that haven't been, will be very good. Yea and SE doesn't think much of 360 that's why they put low budgets and quick release on their titles.

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Acj2323 - 395 days 16 hours ago

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I totality agree, it seems like they are a machine spinning of cheap copies of games after another, but if they take the time and develop a game it might bring a change and people might start to get back into them.

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Makidian - 396 days 7 hours ago

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LR is a complete failure on the 360 which is a shame because it will reflect on the PS3 and PC versions and end up killing those sales. Hopefully they make enough improvements to make it a completely different game. SE is testing new game types on the 360 because they think the larger install base of the 360in the US is goingto make them more popular with gamers. That is the most flawed logic they could ever come up with. If SO4 fails also, then it really is saying something about SE and their attitude toward Microsoft and the 360. They could be deliberately sabotaging their 360 releases so they do better on the PS3. LR will most definitely be improved for the 360, SO4 will end up on the PS3 and better than the 360 version is, and FFXIII will end up being garbage on the 360.

SE went from being my favorite game makers in the world to the worst, if they quit making FF then they would completely sink and end up being remembered for what they did ten and fifteen years ago. That is just awful, people forgetting what you are doing today because you are nothing more as a company than what you used to be. SE is going to lose big this gen putting so much poor effort into the 360. Thank god the best dev teams are assigned to FFXIII, FFvXIII, KH3, and various others, basically anything that Nomura is attached to.

THe title of the article needs to be changed though because SE isn't developing exclusively for the 360, so they haven't really MOVED to the 360, just putting some crappy games on it.

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die_fiend - 396 days 7 hours ago

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LR and Infinite Undiscovery were made in such little time, one was basically released before it was announced, it's clear that they weren't a big deal of Square, more that they were gettin used to the 360. FF13 going to 360 isn't gonna be the same, they'll do it properly cos it's their main franchise. It's hardly a terrible mistake making it for a console with a bigger install base, cos just like most titles, it'll sell sweetly on the 360

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 1 hour ago

4.2 - @ die_fiend

Square Enix is a Publishing House and Development Studio/s . . It has dev studios under just like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Activision etc do. So if they are subject to critisim for THEIR choices with THEIR 3rd party studios, what makes Square Enix any different, and therefore NOT subject to the same critisim.

Some treat Square like some awe-inspiring god-like figure. If it is a major company with sub companies under it, it is responsible for those companies - especially if it publishes their work.

So PLEASE let's don't say it's exempt because one of IT'S development houses does a bad job, it's the same if MS does it with say RARE or Bungie . .The buck end at the top mate.

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die_fiend - 396 days ago

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What are you talking about? I know those games were made in house you fool, all I said was that those are noway representative of how amazin FF13 will turn out 2 be. When did I say that it's fine that those games are rubbish. It's a shame yeah, but Square were gaining experience at programming on the 360 which they'll need for FF13. They brought those games out in a ridiculous time frame, which showed how little they meant to Square, showing gameplay straight away when it was announced and also release dates set. Quite the opposite to the thing that actually matters to them, Final Fantasy. They just get a few sales and learn from it. What's this got to do with your response tho? Y are you just saying random things 2 me? When did I say they're not 2 blame or not responsible or exempt from criticism? Never said that did I?

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XboxOZ360 - 396 days 1 hour ago

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Nutty as a two bob watch,one that has been dropped and then stood on . . you sure his handlers aren't on holidays somewhere, I think he needs his medication. (jk btw)

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Skyreno - 396 days 1 hour ago

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Damn right is big terrible mistake move to 360... Bad

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DFresh - 396 days ago

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I think it's a good thing but also a bad thing that they joined Microsoft to make games on their 360.

I'll say it's a positive thing in one way because it expands the audience to people who don't have a Playstation console.

The bad thing is by going partially exclusive on the 360 they've lost their respect amongst Playstation gamers as well as Japanese gamers.
(Japanese gamers buy Japanese consoles/games made by Japanese devs. Japanese gamers don't like American consoles they never will.)

The only good thing I can say left about Square Enix now to where they have anymore love for Playstation is Nomura and his games.
ex.) I.E (FFXIII Versus & Kingdom Hearts 3)

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die_fiend - 396 days ago

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"The bad thing is by going partially exclusive on the 360 they've lost their respect amongst Playstation gamers as well as Japanese gamers."
That's not respect what your talking about. I don't respect Epic cos Gears is a 360 exclusive, more that they make good games. Playstation owners that feel betrayed need to stop weeping that more people can enjoy games that they enjoy. What's the problem with that? If PS3 got all the 360 exclusives so what?! I wouldn't lose respect for the developer for wanting more profits for future games. Japanese gamers haven't lost respect for them by this lol! They're not as pathetic as many westerners, they'll lap up FF13 because they don't actually care about ridiculous things like Square wanting to make more money.

"The only good thing I can say left about Square Enix now to where they have anymore love for Playstation is Nomura and his games."
Right so because they're just porting a single game to the 360 that PS3 owners formally GUSHED over (literally), the whole of Square is now poor and only the PS3 games are gonna be good? LOL! Versus will probably go multi when Square realise that them bringing FF13 to the 360 is gonna get them a huge amount more sales than otherwise. Then what? Versus will be suddenly be poor and the only good thing left will be Kingdom Hearts? Dream on mate...

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Magic_The_Celt - 395 days 23 hours ago

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Meh, on one hand yes, you'v just gone and lost all self respect

and sold out for money, but hey your not losing anything but your soul right? LOL
and alienating a hardcore fanbase (thankfully i couldnt give a crap about sh*tty final fantasy)

on the other, no, because your just going to make more moneyz

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die_fiend - 395 days 23 hours ago

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In what way have they alienated their fan base? It's not their fault if their fanbase were a bunch of pathetic people who can't hack that it's gone multi is it? Those people are laughed at...capcom did it rockstar did it namco did it, so freakin what? It's hardly selling out when it just makes much more sense to make them for the one that sells the most copies of all games (including the former playstation ones) How did they sell out? Just cos they don't wanna release it on one console and lose a mint?

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Roukuko - 395 days 21 hours ago

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Die your so dumb its funny gotta love bots, they killed the fan base by making all these rpg 360 only. Its pretty funny to seeing how these games sell bad and get bad reviews not to mention sega rpg is the best rpg released this year. Also jrpgs will always sell more in japan its common sense, so for them to make 360 the focus of there games is the worst idea this gen. They should be making more wii games if they really care about install base that much. This has more to do with Microsofts wallet then anything else.

What the dumb bots and I mean you dont get is that there just destroying a gerne of games, I mean lr has slideshow issues thats just a joke man.

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Marius - 395 days 23 hours ago

9 - Of course it's a mistake!

You had 60 percent of the fanboys for Final Fantasy starting to digg the grave for Square - Enix. Almost everyone got pissed and outraged when it was announced to Xbox, you have to be retarded not to understand that it was a bad move after all that negativity.

Only a few people were cheering, mainly the fans who had bought Xbox instead of PS3, wishing that the old FF series that they loved would come over to their new console. But when the Final Fantasy series has sold over 80 million, the userbase of 19 million to Xbox pales in comparison.

I think Square also gathered a lot of hatred by the way they announced this. Here you have a company that started showing off FFXIII for three years, since E305, as a Playstation title. Then half a year before release, they go "oh and we're also making this for Xbox 360 btw".

Rule number one, if you have millions of angry fans because of announcement like this, that is not a good sign. You don't want to make people angry. Especially if they're supposed to invest money in your product.

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Light Yagami - 395 days 20 hours ago

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SE = fail! Meet my notebook.

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gamfreak - 395 days 18 hours ago

11 - Square Enix's Move To The 360: A Terrible Mistake?

Not only terrible, it the worse mistake ever to happen on this generation. Hope the Squirenix guy learn their lesson and don't commit the same stupid mistake again....!!!!!

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Roukuko - 395 days 18 hours ago

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its bad but its not the worst thing this gen that belongs to dlc

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heyheyhey - 395 days 16 hours ago

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maybe the transition would be bearable if the games they make as a result were any good... this is not the case

Square are limiting themselves witht he 360's hardware and storage capacity, and more importantly for them... all their games are bombing like ass right now... call me when an SE console game breaks a million

let's face it... it's not happening until they release a game on PS3... the 360 fanbase couldn't give two squirts a piss about JRPG and that's being reflected in sales

poor SE, i shall laugh when WKC comes out and shows you the error of your ways

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DARKTRINITYxxx - 395 days 12 hours ago

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Hell yes bad move in my opinion. And i for one wont be buying thier games as they will prob be trash now thier supporting the mighty XFLOP.

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Tiberium - 395 days 11 hours ago

14 - plz do you people actually

think they put an effort into those games? watch FF13 be the best in the series.

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Neo604 - 395 days 9 hours ago

15 - well the evidence is that

the last remant = flop

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