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Richard Bartle Angered by Lich King

MMO pioneer Richard Bartle has slammed Blizzard for condoning (and encouraging) torture in the recent Wrath of the Lich King expansion.
AndyA - contributor
Published: 408 days 21 hours ago | News | PC
 
 

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Leord - 409 days 3 hours ago
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Sure, he's a bit loud, but to be fair, I do think that it's kind of unnecessary to glorify torture in an MMO for 12-year-olds.
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Montrealien - 409 days 3 hours ago
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Torture!?! How about forcing us to play with our own feces! lol Or the killing of thousands of Boars for 8 Boar livers! And all the beheading we have been doing since our D&D days!

It's easy to get people to talk about you, when you bash the bigges game n the planet.
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hay - 409 days 3 hours ago
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Well, this game(and many other) is about killing people and other creatures. If you got to the 70 lvl killing thousands of lives I think torture isn't a problem anymore. Especially cartoonish looking torture.
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Leord - 409 days 2 hours ago
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There is a huge difference between torture and killing though. A swift kill is out of conflict and necessity. In MOST of those killing cases it was because the individual killed individual would have killed you otherwise!

Torture is just an element that is easy enough to avoid. These are supposed to be sentient, educated mages anyway, there must be an easy way to get them to squeal without having the player torturing them.
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buy a ps3 - 408 days 16 hours ago
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no other mmo counts besides WoW. so it is necessary because otherwise it would never happen... it not a big deal.
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Dino - 408 days 10 hours ago
1.5 - HEY! Mr.Rich Fartle
relax it's a game. Besides does WoW now reside in our world where the Geneva convention was held?
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thetamer - 409 days 3 hours ago
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He's the most useless celebrity in teh industry. He's as relevant as a steam engine on Japanese tracks.
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Odion - 408 days 20 hours ago
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Last time I checked WoW is a teen rated game, and the vast majority of its players are over the age of 18
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martynmj - 409 days 3 hours ago
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Its a Game.... Some people >.> I wonder if he's ever played GTA
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Leord - 409 days 2 hours ago
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One big difference is that WoW is for 12-year-olds, and GTA is done with a great portion of humour.
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Montrealien - 409 days ago
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I hate to break it to you, but WoW is also done with a great deal of humor.
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AndyA - 409 days 3 hours ago
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Torture is increasingly finding its way into popular culture. Look at 24 or Lost, for instance.
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Dorjan - 409 days 2 hours ago
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He needs to get with the time or at least rant keeping context.
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Leord - 409 days 2 hours ago
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That's also true! We're not dealing in MUD any more! ;) In this case I feel he's right though.
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Tatsumaki - 408 days 20 hours ago
6 - VIRTUAL COWS
ARE PEOPLE TO

PETA
PETA
PETA
PETA
PETA!

lol
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Hell-Reaver - 408 days 20 hours ago
7 - It's a game
Stop worrying about things in a game, worry about the things that happen in real life. You know the things that go on ourside your basement...kids starving, genoside, poaching.

If you want to voice up over something, put it to a real cause that needs addressing. not Wow. I'm sorry but when was the last time you saw a cow walking on his hind legs outside carrying a 8foot sword? exatcly.
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moe84 - 408 days 20 hours ago
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It's a TEEN rated game, not for everyone. If you feel the game is too much for you, don't play. If you think it's too much for your children, don't let them play. If you can't mentally understand and grasp the concept it's a game, then you shouldn't be playing at all. Especially if you think you are easily manipulated in real life by what goes on in a game, then you should seek counseling. The game isn't the problem. The problem lies in your head.

It's a medieval time set. It's fantasy. Arguing this, is like P.E.T.A(People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) arguing that killing animals in game is wrong. Sure, Blizzard added their D.E.T.A(Druids for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), but clearly these pixelated beings in the game have feelings and deserve rights.

The Geneva Convention as this tool referred to is to protect LIFE, not a pixelated character in a fantasy video game. Hell, we have movies and TV shows that torture people on a daily(episode by episode) basis. I don't see you complaining there. 24 is on prime time, local and cable TV. Everyone can see. You, your kids, your dog. What's stopping you from complaining about that? Your parenting.. that's what.

Don't be that guy Mr.Tool'writer. Don't rely on the V.chip to do your job as a parent, and human being. Don't expect video game developers to always provide age appropriate material for all ages.

It's teen rated. Most teens can grasp the concept of fantasy. Hell most children can. Clearly this adult with all his worldly experience.. can't.
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Cheeseknight28 - 408 days 20 hours ago
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Seriously? First of all, you could play Manhunt or any other excessively violent game to see worse things than you right clicking an item to make someone get shocked.

Also, I'd like to comment on the inaccuracy of the article. He claims that, "So, either you play along and zap the guy, or you don't get to go to the Nexus" which is entirely not true. I ran that dungeon twice before I even did the torture quest.

If you're trying to get your 15 min of fame, at least make an accurate point...
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JohnnyMann420 - 408 days 17 hours ago
10 - It's a game, idiot!!!
I don't like shooting someone in the head in Real life, but I will cap an old lady if given three seconds to do it in GTA.

I don't feel like falling down a green pipe and collecting coins, but I play Mario damnit!

Sorry to be so angry sounding, but c'mon....why even bother posting this crap.

What a big baby just looking for a reason to blog about something pointless.....a videogame task. Then don't do it, you overgrown loser....don't do it.

Go play Age of Conan where there is tons of slavery, or go play WAR where there is Racist tensions between Orcs and Dwarves. Go play something and get over yourself and your complaints. What are you, jealous that Blizzard one upped your crappy MUD game? Took you this long to find something objectionable in WoW?

Go play something and don't complain about content that offends you...there are a million of things wrong with this world and you complain about a videogame?

Someone needed a little attention, eh?

The article says "Awaiting a response from Blizzard"

I hope Blizzard doesn't respond at all...whats the point?
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kydrice - 408 days 15 hours ago
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Why is he crying about this? So what if we had to poke a zealot into speaking. Forsaken have been giving me quests testing different poisons on hapless captive scarlet prisoners while upping their hopes that I had brought them food or a beer instead "BLARHGHGHGHG"

Sounds to me that this Richard Bartle guy just wants his name remembered because he's getting lonely. Little note Mr. Bartle, No body cares. QQ somewhere else.
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Zhit - 408 days 14 hours ago
13 - Step back from the computer
Seems the author might need to a break from WOW if he is having such a hard time with what is a game and what is reality. Give me a break... What a non-news worthy event.

Plus I have to wonder if the guy has even played the expansion or is just reporting on hearsay. There are no quests needed to unlock the Nexus. My healer was required, I swapped toons, the group at the summoning stone, summoned me from Shat and off we went.
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QQcrybaby - 408 days 14 hours ago
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He's jealous that the people of Blizzard are all far more successful than he so he came up with a completely irrelevant rant to get attention.

In a game where there is full scale genocide he is worried about some guy getting hit with a cattle prod? 1. It's a videogame 2. It's not word of PEACEcraft.

Go cry to your mom you little pus sy.
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350ZRunner - 408 days 8 hours ago
15 - Give me a break
So murder and mayhem against innocent men, women and children was fine but having to torture somebody was just too much for this guy? Didn't grasp the concept of being an undead evil monster under the control of the Lich King did he?
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Kolemar - 408 days 8 hours ago
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Ffs... some people really need to relax.
It's just a game!
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