Latest Figures Put PSN and Live in a Dead Heat for Subscribers

The Matrix - 413 days 15 hours ago

I'm subscribed to both. I'm a fan of good games no matter what system they're on. It's just that Microsoft or Sony acquired the rights to different games...it shouldn't make a difference on if we like it or not.

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Johnny Rotten - 413 days 15 hours ago

Not everyone want's a Gold subscription, I have a silver account and the only difference is I don't get is access to play online with people and demo's come out a week later. I hardly ever play multiplayer games so it's no big deal besides I own a PS3 so whenever I do get the urge it's all good!

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Pennywise - 413 days 15 hours ago

Replacement consoles counted in sales will not garnish a new xbox live account.

On the same note, I know Sony users have multiple accounts for different regions.

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Nineball2112 - 413 days 15 hours ago

Wouldn't that still be counted as a subscriber?

So, Microsoft's 14 million would include both Gold and Silver memberships, correct?

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Mr Bun - 413 days 15 hours ago

That is exactly what it means...Silver+Gold = 14million

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kopicha - 413 days 15 hours ago

i have to say that PSN's 14mil might not be all thet accurate. There are 2 things which have to be put into account. One is that some PS3 users actually have more than 1 acct for accessing different region's PS Store. Second thing is that Sony have started PSN account for PSP users as well. So PSN users aint necessary to be PS3 owners. More over you dont need to have a PSP or PS3 in order to sign up an acct too. I can easily make an account for a friend of mine who doesnt own a PS3 too. So I would say there might be 14mil active accounts out there but that doesnt mean anything for PS3.

Regarding Xbox as I have said in the past before, people never take into account of those RRODed 360 which M$ also adds them into the figure as sold hardware. And I also have friends who bought more than 1 360 within this generation because of RROD issue as well. So selling over 20mil units wont exactly mean they will have over 20mil active accts as well. So 14mil from what M$ describe actually does sound about right for this 3 years.

I have said before I dont side either console. There is no point to it since it doesnt benefit me as I own both. But personally for now I actually prefer PS3 more than 360. Thats just personal liking and has nothing to do with general. But even this is the case doesnt mean I would side more towards PS3.

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Parapraxis - 413 days 15 hours ago

Yep, there are PS3 owners with multiple accounts (I have 3), however that's most likely not that common. It's one thing for a hardcore gamer to need access to multiple PSN stores & content, but your average "Joe Gamer" probably wouldn't bother. Setting up the accounts can be troublesome.

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DJ - 413 days 15 hours ago

I know because i logged into the PSN Store with my PSP a few weeks back using my current PSN ID, LoveHateTragedy.

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Pennywise - 413 days 15 hours ago

I agree para... who knows how to go through the trouble of addresses and readin japanese besides the hardcore :P

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UltimateIdiot911 - 413 days 15 hours ago

Pirates, they dare not go online.
And along with those without internet.

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earwax - 413 days 13 hours ago

MS can PROVE they have that many on LIVE because you PAY for it. Sony can just make up any number they want, go check Socom or Warhawk and the lack of players on the FREE PSN. How about the WRECK that is MGS4 online? I had my was never online with a PS2,Xbox,360 or PS3 UNTIL I had wi-fi in my house. Most people do NOT have access to internet in their homes yet belive it or not and plenty that do will not let their kids play a game system on line

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mrdxpr2 - 413 days 12 hours ago

i have 4 accounts on my ps3 one for me my bro and my dad and some are from other regions on my bros 360 4 accounts as well ...1 gold 3 silver

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na2ru1 - 413 days 12 hours ago

JOHNNY ROTTEN is a perfect example of a gamer who would find it pointless to PAY FOR ONLINE.

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gaffyh - 413 days 10 hours ago

@earwax - lol you retard there's always hundreds of people playing warhawk, shows what you know. Also whether the service is being paid for or not will not affect the information on how many accounts there are on either PSN or XBL.

I'd expect that 14 million number to be too high for both PSN and XBL, on PSN myself I have 4 accounts (UK, USA, JAP, AU), and on XBL if they are counting Silver accounts as well then it would also be a lower value.

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ofx360 - 413 days 9 hours ago

Well xbl is the number for gold + silver and psn is the number of total subscribers. Well, xbl numbers are way more reliable because you have to pay for that; psn numbers aren't because currently i have 3 unique accounts(to access other regions) and other people on psn have multiple accounts for different reasons

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Some_One_Plays - 413 days 9 hours ago

Sony said there are 14 million "active" accounts so if you activate an account without having a PlayStation 3 how can it still be "active"? I for one don't have more than one PlayStation Network account so this doesn't apply to me or anyone I know. With the PlayStation Portable you're using your pre-existent PlayStation Network account from you PlayStation 3 on you PlayStation Portable.

I've never heard of Microsoft counting the bad XBOX 360s that was sent to them because of problems. Either way you need to get the facts straight when you own both consoles yourself, lol. What's really disappointing is that PlayStation 3 owners will make more than one account. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, it's like buying both two games with different box art. In the end you're getting the same thing plus your stats will be scattered. Like the goofs who buy more than one console when one PlayStation 3 can connect up to seven controllers. One word, waste.

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Foliage - 413 days 3 hours ago

I have about 12 xbox live accounts. Each time I go to a buddies house I create a new account to take advantage of the free month given to new users. We have a server at work that allows us to make as many fake emails as we want, so I can have a legitimate email within a second. I know quite a few people that take advantage of this. Since even though an xbox live user has a live account their guests do not get the same privileges without having one themselves. Talk about milking your customers. My buddy bought two headsets and can only use one of them since he only owns a single live account. How ridiculous is that? (Unless he has a faulty headset...) All xbox users at work do this very same thing.

I only have 1 PSN account, since I'm not into demos. I doubt many people know about creating accounts in other countries to get around restrictions.

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Some_One_Plays - 411 days 9 hours ago

Lol, I guess I was wrong, while I'm paying like a sucker you're playing for free, lol.

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PirateThom - 413 days 15 hours ago

Microsoft also count Silver subs in their numbers.

Fact is, there's numerous people who don't have internet connections but own consoles or don't want to connect online for whatever number of reasons.

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elorm9 - 413 days 11 hours ago

You're also forgetting that you can do the same with XBL. All you need is a hotmail account.

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KingME - 413 days 11 hours ago

If Microsoft wanted to inflate the numbers, being that every purchased 360 is authorized a silver account. They could have said that they have 20+ million XBL subscribers. The fact that they said 14 million leads me to believe that they are speaking of Gold accounts only.

Additionally I don't know what the number for PS3 sells are but, being that PSN is totally free, why don't PSN have more than 14 Million "Registered Accounts". I have a friend that I know for a fact has at least 7 PSN accounts registered, about 4 are in different markets and the others are to add more friends. So if anyone's numbers are inflated I could easily say that it is likely sony's.

I thinks it's incredible that PSN hasn't surpassed XBL in registrations being that it is free and people are using on average 2-3 accounts for the same PS3. Please don't say the 360 has been out longer, because it doesn't take a year for people to sign up for free stuff. That in itself says a lot.

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SIX-0-3 - 413 days 9 hours ago

No one does that. 300 plus friends is stupid, especially on multible acounts.

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Vavoom - 413 days 8 hours ago

I know you're trying to sound clever, but that's not necessarily true. I have three different US registrations. I uses them so that I can give different people my PSN tag. Only my local friends (people in my living area that has a PS3) get one and the other two are for other people I meet online. One of them I made simply because I thought of a cool PSN tag I wanted to use.

Neither of them has more the 15 friends in them, but I do have 3 registrations.

Also, if you us singstar, you notice that different markets have different songs in them. Some people may create multiple accounts for that.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 413 days 15 hours ago

I paid almost 70$ for my XBL membership here in Montreal.
Total waste of money.In my opinion,other then the MSN contacts

It's the exact same thing as PSN.
Not worth the money at all.

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Johnny Rotten - 413 days 15 hours ago

MSN is free you didn't need the gold subscription to access it!

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No FanS Land - 413 days 15 hours ago

Yeah. But I think he means that when you log in with your Xbox, it connects you also to windows live messenger (hence all "live" service interoperate between one another) it will display (busy) on your msn nick.

However if you paid the premium subscription for msn, then I yeah, you got pwnd by M$.

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Karum - 413 days 14 hours ago

Yeah free was pretty smart, I think the subscription fee for LIVE might put a lot of people off, I know I don't like the idea of it.

I was sitting in class last night (I take a couple of night classes) and one of the guys there is a big PC gamer and just recently played Gears 1 on PC and loved it. He asked me had I played Gears 2 yet as he heard it was out recently. I said no but it's been getting pretty amazing reviews so no doubt you'd love that too.

He asked me when it's coming out on PC and I said according to good ol' Cliffy B it wouldn't be, but if he wants to he can pay £130 for a 360 and play it there. He's like does 360 support multiplayer? (the guy loves games but he's clueless about consoles tbh, it's quite an anomaly...big gamer but clueless on anything non PC related) to which I said yes ofc but you need to pay a £40 yearly subsciption or w/e it is for the 3 month one in order to play it online.

Dude pretty much refused on the spot to buy a 360 to even play the SP campaign (he mostly likes the MP part of games and that's the important part to him)

There are possibly a lot of people out there not buying the 360 or missing out on part of the gaming experience because they are put off by the subscription fee.

Just a thought, I just think it's a pity the guy is gonna miss a game he'd obviously love because he doesn't want to pay to play online, which is partly his fault too for being stubborn but can't say I blame him. I don't want to pay to play online either.

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PirateThom - 413 days 15 hours ago

Not everyone has broadband.

There's some fallicy that everyone on the planet has the internet or speeds that can support online services.

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fredy - 413 days 15 hours ago

they are paying for broadband and an xbox live subscription every year which continues to grow..

on the other hand psn is Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, there should be no contest,

if playstation gamers are more mature and older you would think they are more apt to be able to afford broadband...and have more stable finances.(yeah thats all BS and hogwash)

some are claiming there should be more subscribers on xbl hence the 22 million user-base, with 14 million paying customers Psn should be a shame for a free service.

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Pennywise - 413 days 15 hours ago

Not cheap Fredy, just bad at decision making.

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ThanatosDMC - 413 days 14 hours ago

Dont you mean their parental units pay for it?

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sretlaw - 413 days 12 hours ago

I'm just glad I only had to pay one price to play. If PSN cost the same as XBL, we'd be paying over $200 during the PS3's long lifespan.

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Pennywise - 413 days 14 hours ago

xbox has better service??? The same paid for service that was down for numerous users last week and last Xmas???

I cant remember when PSN was down besides maintenance.

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ThanatosDMC - 413 days 14 hours ago

I'll correct you for a bit. PSN is never down. The only thing that does stop for maintenance updates is the PSN store other than that we are still allowed to do everything online, vid chat with upto six people, play online games without lag (PSN servers only), keep downloading thing we've been downloading from PSN store, etc.

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Pennywise - 413 days 13 hours ago

Never said it was down!

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KingME - 413 days 5 hours ago

Correct me if I'm work but whenever a service like this is down for "any" reason, would it not be down for maintenance. You are double talking.

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PirateThom - 413 days 15 hours ago

Because you have no choice.

There's no option where you can play online and lose some features.

You're either all in or all out.

Jump In, but only as long as you can pay.

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ThanatosDMC - 413 days 14 hours ago

I still cant believe they compared the PSN and Live as a park and a club, respectively, on the Bonus Round.

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Diamondwolf - 413 days 13 hours ago

That's because Pachter is a bafoon and a hype training trend riding silver spooned idiot. (how do I really feel). Notice how on that episode of the Bonus Round, even Game Trailers were making fun of him. I think they honestly invite him so much so people can laugh at what he says and how wrong or way off he will turn up next.

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Pennywise - 413 days 15 hours ago

So with your assumption, that would mean MS has about 8mil too? I didnt know you could make 3 accounts.... There is no need for more than 3 main accounts with PSN pphead.

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PirateThom - 413 days 15 hours ago

Many people have 3 accounts for access to the EU, US and JPN stores, so it's probably about the same as Live.

Difference is, all of these can be used online as well as any other users you want, while Live requires extra Gold subscriptions, making 360 a very family un-friendly console when it comes to online.

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Draperc - 413 days 15 hours ago

*sigh* at least you stopped with the "Geow2 GOTY confirmed AAA" spam...

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ViceKingz - 413 days 15 hours ago

your rough estimate is a FACT? ha ok there madame pp

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Magic_The_Celt - 413 days 14 hours ago

No, because

A) you would have the same IP for all of them so it isnt counted

and

B) its -ACTIVE- accounts.

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Egzekutor - 413 days 14 hours ago

When a new account is created in XBL you get 1 month gold subscription.
I wonder how many people have done that ;)..
I personally have over 6 XBL account because I will not pay for XBL.
Its not worth it.

PP I see your soo jealous that PS3 is producing more better games, and its catching up to the 360 figures.

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Oner - 413 days 13 hours ago

I was going to say the same thing ViceKingz...I do have something to add though, using some of PP's flawed logic how would he explain those PS3's in households of multiple children/family members then? Wouldn't a family with say a 30 something year old Father who is a gamer with say 3 kids all with their own accounts STILL COUNT as INDIVIDUALS? Whatever. There really no point in discussing (more like arguing) with someone who states his OPINIONATED "rough estimates" as "fact"...

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na2ru1 - 413 days 12 hours ago

Only allowed me to have 3 accounts with 1 month free LIVE(boo). A dumb saleperson said £40 subsription will allow as many accounts to play on LIVE. BUT NO, it's for ONE ACCOUNT ONLY. so that would have made it £120 for only a year if all 3 users of my 360 were willing.

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ViceKingz - 413 days 15 hours ago

1 person. i guarantee most PSN people only have one account

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 413 days 15 hours ago

Last time i checked Sony counts you're IP adress.Not you're account.

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Draperc - 413 days 15 hours ago

oh really? what's their name? John Doe? George Bush? maybe Al gore perhaps? Just give it up kid, nobody will listen to you cause you're stupid as hell, and don't know what you're talking about half the time. Not to mention your spelling needs work, it's "lies" not "lie's".

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PirateThom - 413 days 15 hours ago

Not even IP address, since it can change. :P

They count the consoles specific MAC and can analyse which accounts are seeing constant use and which are logged in periodically on a Thursday.

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Pennywise - 413 days 15 hours ago

pp only thing popping out of @sses is paint and MS products.

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Magic_The_Celt - 413 days 14 hours ago

Canadianguy just owned you pp, you need a towel?

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Yoma - 413 days 14 hours ago

yes and that might be the dumbest person over PSN.

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SWANN - 413 days 10 hours ago

PP, you are so full of shyt! you just won't go away. You are just afraid to hear the truth. Your the type of person who believes your own lies. you don't work for either company, so you don't know what's going on. You need to just pack up and go away. You seem like the type of person that's a glutton for punishment, so just call me Frank castle, cause I'm here to dish out that punishment to you.

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drdistracto707 - 413 days 10 hours ago

that advert with the paint for zune is still creeping me out

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earwax - 405 days 15 hours ago

Too bad these "numbers" include PSP's too.....fing losers and liars

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