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NXE Netflix streaming loses Sony's Columbia Pictures movies

James Ransom-Wiley writes:Our Netflix streaming queues just got considerably shorter on the eve of the NXE launch. Acting on a tip, we popped into our Netflix account and sure enough, our "Instant Queue" had a new "Notes" column with an oft-repeated, red (nobody likes red!) notice: "Not available on Xbox." Logging onto Xbox Live (with an NXE account) confirmed that these titles were no longer available for streaming on Xbox 360.

We've reached out to Microsoft for a full explanation -- so keep your fingers crossed that this is just a launch period mishap (like someone flipped the wrong switch ... or something). We're betting on licensing issues, though, which could further cripple the service. Currently, there's no way to tell if a title is excluded from Xbox streaming until it's added to the Queue (reminder: this can only be done from a separate computer). We're not much for statistics, but we can tell you that 13 of 110 items in our Instant Queue are now unavailable, all of which are feature films. The blackout seems to have hit a range of flicks, from: Superbad to Bad Boys; Drunken Master to the entire Karate Kid trilogy (that's right -- the entire trilogy! We don't count that Next Karate Kid noise). We'll update when we learn more.

Update: We've found a common thread! All of the affected titles from our Queue are distributed by Columbia Pictures. Columbia Pictures, of course, is owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment, a subsidiary of Microsoft rival Sony. Case closed?

Oddly enough, Sony Picture Entertainment movies (listed here) are still Xbox-enabled.
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Update 2: It appears that the sudden yoinking of Columbia Pictures films from NXE Instant Queue access is a licensing issue with Sony after all. MTV Multiplayer pinged us with word that, on the rental service's official blog, Netflix corp. communications VP Steve Swasey writes:

"As watching instantly becomes a more prominent part of the Netflix service, our goal is to have all of our streaming content licensed for all of our partner devices. We're doing well in this area, but it will take some time before we fully achieve that goal. Today, titles regularly come in and out of license and there is a natural ebb and flow to what we have on license at any given point in time. In the case of Xbox 360, a few hundred titles are temporarily unavailable to be streamed via the Xbox game console. Those titles are still available to be watched on subscribers' computers and on TVs via other partner devices, and we hope they'll be licensed for Xbox 360 shortly."
Alternative Sources:
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sonarus - 398 days 23 hours ago
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lol sony must be feeling the NXE launch pressure
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PirateThom - 398 days 23 hours ago
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Or maybe they just don't want a rival to have access to their catalogue?
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Kigmal - 398 days 21 hours ago
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So why the hell do I see Windows on Vaio laptops? Does Microsoft get money that? If so, wouldn't Sony get money from selling movies on NXE?
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PirateThom - 398 days 21 hours ago
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Because, Sony pay a license to have Windows on their Vaio laptops which does go to Microsoft. Microsoft cutting Sony out would be a huge loss.

This is just Microsoft leeching Sony's movies at no cost to themselves, because Netflix have already paid licensing.
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Bodhi - 398 days 20 hours ago
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I really hate Sony for this, honestly now. They gone and spoilt Netflix a little, I was looking forward to watching the Drunken Master, The Karate Kid trilogy and Bad Boys 2 at launch. WTF SONY. WHY.

That's the epitome of a b*tch move come on. Windows mobile on Sony's phones? Windows Vista on Sony's laptops? No Sony movies on 360 Netflix?

I understand the whole licensing thing but COME ON, NOT ON LAUNCH. WHY. Superbad? Nope. Bad Boys? Nope. Karate Kid? Nope. 007? Nope.

Seriously, f*ck you Sony.

I will still be buying Killzone 2 but seriously, Sony. HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSE TO WATCH BAD BOYS NOW?!

I want compensation or something here...

I'm done with the ranting and Sony bashing, still this was certainly not cool. It was a stealth move too.

Hopefully this gets resolved, if the 360 doesn't get licensed to watch those movies... I don't know, Sony wouldn't be the high and mighty, respectable company as I once thought they were.
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aebriscoejr - 398 days 20 hours ago
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WOW. Sony's playing hardball.
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PimpHandHappy - 398 days 20 hours ago
1.9 - if MS was SONY
and owned the rights to MANY things entertainment

Netflix wouldnt be around and MS would have there own site based off streaming movies

after killing the mother of the founder of Netflix

lol

but really
Im sure Sony will allow netflix to have those movies back! Just after they dump the 360
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darkride66 - 398 days 19 hours ago
1.10 - Hey, if you want to watch these movies...
Just buy a PS3. I'm sure Sony's flicks will be available on Sony's movie service. Otherwise...tough it out. It's not like there still aren't movies to watch on XBL.
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thewhoopimen - 398 days 19 hours ago
1.11 - hmmm
Perhaps Sony should play some hardball after having lost so many exclusives this gen, being slandered by MS, etc. MS has literally been the biggest douchebag this console generation.

@Bodhi: Btw, Sony does pay MS for their use of the Windows licenses. MS however, doesn't pay for Sony's film licenses... rather Netflix does.
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pumpkinpunker - 398 days 19 hours ago
1.12 - now let's see MS stop licensing Windows to Sony
now, that would be a bigger deal. Linux, anyone? Sony's PC/laptop revenue down the drain. Apple doesn't share MAC/OS with anyone. Sony should play hardball but they may find the street going two ways if they push too hard.
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BWS1982 - 398 days 19 hours ago
1.13 - Seriously
I was thinking what Pimphand was, if the tables were turned, you know MS would be doing EXACTLY the same thing. MS always fights with hardball, it's so rare Sony throws one back, and now that they do, fanboys are up in arms? C'mon, it was business when MS did things like this, but now it's a "b*tch move"??? Umm, no, it's still business, and that's even if it was Sony's choice. Get real, it's nothing more than a turned table for once (not that this is a "ha ha in your face", but rather, hey, that's the console war, just consider these movies "exclusives that MS didn't buy")
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facepalm - 398 days 19 hours ago
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People... Take a deep breath... (This thread is filled with much "WAAAAAAHHHH")

Remember that you, Netflix users, still have the PC and Mail-in service to use to get these movies. And if you that desperate to see the movie right at that moment, then just head over to your local video joint and rent it... Is it really that hard to do??

As much as I don't like the move, it is a viable business tactic, since the NetX360 video service is in direct competition with Sony's downloadable movie service, and hey it's Sony's property anyways...

BTW... Sony pays Microsoft to use Windows on their laptops, since they're not in competition in that market... In fact Sony and Microsoft exist "cooperatively" as a hardware and software producers respectably... But in the console industry they are competitors since they have similar products (PS3/X360, PSN Video/Netflix) "competing" against each other in the same field...

It's just like how I look at Microsoft paying for timed exclusives and exclusive DLC. (Both of which I despise...)

I hate the ideas, but they are all a part of business...

In the end, this is a pathetically small thing, since you have other options to retrieve the movies. Seriously... MOVE ALONG PEOPLE!!

Note: If you won't accept the other methods and keep on b1tching, I'm sorry, but you're either a fanboy, or a pathetically lazy, ignorant bastard.
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JasonXE - 398 days 19 hours ago
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ahhh man no, not the karate kid trilogy. Mr. Kesuke Miyagi please say it ain't so. ><


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facepalm - 398 days 18 hours ago
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^-^ Mr. Miyagi is a bit occupied at the moment...


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DocEvil - 398 days 18 hours ago
1.17 - Sony better be careful...
Because this is the stuff that anti-trust suits are made of and this isn't the first time Sony has danced with competition law.
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RememberThe357 - 398 days 18 hours ago
1.18 - From what I read this could be Sony playing hardball or...
Just a regular licensing issue. First you guys were getting on Sony for not playing hardball and letting they're movies on th 360 and now you slam them for playing hardball and not letting their movies on the 360...wtf.

And as for the Windows and Vaio situation. MS and Sony would both loss if they were to cut that tie.
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BattleAxe - 398 days 18 hours ago
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I think that Sony Pictures should yank all of their movies from Netflix. MS started it all with buying game exclusive content and then you have Arron Greenburg and Shane Kim talking trash all the time towards Sony.

The NXE deserves it!
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BWS1982 - 398 days 18 hours ago
1.20 - Remember357
you're going "wtf" because you're confusing 2 groups of people and thinking they're the same group. Look at your post and try to seperate the 2 groups.
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RareNimbus - 398 days 15 hours ago
1.25 - well say facepalm!
I totally agree with u there. couldnt say any better! i'm for real!!
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phosphor112 - 398 days 14 hours ago
1.27 - Even if sony got the royalties
It wouldn't be as much as stunting the NXE launch.
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Solid_Skip - 398 days 12 hours ago
1.28 - i dont think sony's feeling
the pressure it looks like sony is making a lot of money off of xbox new program.
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SL1M DADDY - 398 days 12 hours ago
1.29 - lol @ The comments about Sony playing hardball...
Makes you wonder why then does Sony have their Sony Pictures Movies still up on the list of movies you can stream... Yeah, this is just a silly license issue and will be resolved shortly.
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Milky Joe - 398 days 12 hours ago
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Exactly. The license agreements just haven't gone through yet. Simple as that.
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Mr Bun - 398 days 12 hours ago
1.31 - You can really tell the age group of the 360 fanboys
First POSSIBILITY that Sony is even remotely daring to pull a dirty move like what M$ has been doing for the last 3 years (a lot longer if you expand my statement beyond the 360 vs. PS3), and the fanboys are up in arms crying.

Sony Pictures are still up so this is probably just one of those "oops" moments, but if this were Sony "Playing Hardball" (as so many people above call it), it is still a far cry away from the bs that M$ has pulled.
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Gam71 - 398 days 11 hours ago
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Lol, you can tell the age of sony fans.
First off MS in the last 3 years has been doing what Sony has been doing for the last 13.
second sony pulls a throwing your toys out of the pram move, a hissy fit and it's fans think its just playing hardball like thats a good thing.

I only say like its a good thing because they have been lambasting MS for doing the same thing, even though sony did it first!?!

If it's bad when MS do it why is it good when sony start doing it AGAIN.

And this sony don't pay for timed exclusives and exclusives nonsense.
When did they stop?

Didn't they provide funding for la noire?
Oh I see it's not paying for an exclusive its "funding"

Sony get a share of the profits for each download from netflix so by not having it on NXE they are losing potential income.

What would happen if MS decided VC-1 is no longer licensed to blu-ray as the ps3 is a blu-ray player as well (or first) and is in direct competition with the 360.
Would you be congratulating them for playing hardball or having another hissy fit?

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Stop supporting it?
that would mean they started.
At the moment they rely on VC-1.
They could go back to MPEG-2
because that worked.
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anh_duong - 398 days 11 hours ago
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didn't ms stop supporting blu-ray because the ps3 had blu-ray?

blu-ray doesn't just rely on vc-1
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Mr Bun - 398 days 10 hours ago
1.34 - @Gam
You prove my point EXACTLY...it is people like you who are ASSUMING that this is Sony's doing, ignoring the fact that "Sony Pictures" movies are still available. You offer no proof of your "13 years" comment and ignore the fact that if this is indeed Sony's intentional response, they are removing THEIR product from the competition...they aren't stealing an exclusive.

You won't need a PS3 to enjoy the movies that are currently not available to the 360 but when M$ does this, you definitely need a 360...see my point?
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Dreamworker - 398 days 9 hours ago
1.36 - no big deal
i add the sony movies to my netflix queue and get the DVD's in mail all other movies i can stream. where is the big problem?
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Gam71 - 398 days 9 hours ago
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Mr bun, all you do is assume.
You haven't offered any proof at all for anything you say, are you nasim cos she did that?

clearly if you have to question my 13 years comment you've only been playing since the ps3.

Sony used every trick in the book to get to number one and now someone else is beating them at their own game, to assume sony have changed tatics and become an honourable company all off a sudden is laughable, you fans start crying and acting like its wrong.

Skewed sense of morals you have.

You assume ms pay for everything because they admitted they paid for some but have no proof.
But when proof comes your way that they haven you ignore it, square enix saying ms didn't pay them for ff13.
You only want to hear what you want to hear and only know what you've heard.
A dangerous combination.

You don't think sony have never paid for exclusives?

Do you think has paid for ALL the exclusives they have?
you're deluded.
Your way of thinking.
When saintly sony does it - it's good business and shows how smart they are.
when MS does it later on - its they're evil and beating up poor sony and taking their lunch money off them *wipes tear away*

"You won't need a PS3 to enjoy the movies that are currently not available to the 360 but when M$ does this, you definitely need a 360...see my point?"

no? do you. Are you trying, poorly, to say evil MS will smite all competition and you will have to use their products and only their products to enjoy content.

Cos you are full of something.

So you see what sony did as fair enough cos its their product but then have a go at the thought, as ms haven't done it so you're assuming again, of ms doing the same.

thus proving my point
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kwyjibo - 398 days 9 hours ago
1.38 - The sentiment in this thread is indicative of the idiot N4G audience and the broken comments system
First off, I do not think Columbia have blacklisted the Xbox360 service because they are a Sony subsidiary. Aside from the fact that Sony's separate business divisions have never had this level of cohesion, such a move will be greatly detrimental to Sony's image in the eyes of hardware manufacturers, and the film industry has never operated in such a way, something which I do not think will change.

What is astonishing on this thread, is the blind irrational loyalty to a company for a perceived move, that if true, is hugely detrimental to the consumer. You are a consumer, and if you champion this, which hordes of commentators here have fallen over to do, you are putting yourself last as well as being a retard.

Film is an open platform, you buy the content, and you play anywhere you want, on any hardware you want. It's fair in that sense, consumers get the best of competition in both hardware, and in content. Sure, every so often you'll get a BD/HDDVD war, but when that's over, because of the high volume of sales, licensing prices plummet. You can play Sony films on a Samsung box, or rip them onto your iPod, this is absolutely great, this is the way it should be, yet this is what commentators on here are rallying against.

Do you support it when companies buy out exclusive content, not for the reasons of increasing the audience, but to artificially restrict it? Did you enjoy those iTunes tracks which only play on Apple media players? You'd like if the only tracks you could play on your Walkman came from Sony BMG?

That Microsoft may be jerks does not excuse anyone else. That foreign dictatorships use torture as instruments of the state, does not mean we should. Do not support anti-competitive business practices and policies detrimental to consumers regardless of your position on certain companies. The level of support for this perceived move leaves a certain taste of disgust at this entire community.
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xbox360migs - 398 days 9 hours ago
1.39 - @ austere
I correct you, Sony is the company that started the exclusive deals back in the days of sega saturn and the PS1,they bought third party developers and gained timed exclusives which essentially killed Sega, I remember it very well, this is one of the reasons I like Microsoft because they are trying to play Sony at their own game and have the money which sega unfortunatley did not. Sony may offer some innovative products but they are a ruthless company and deserve no respect and this is just another event added to hundreds of low down moves by Sony to achieve the edge on their competition. Disgusting!
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Mr Bun - 398 days 8 hours ago
1.40 - Gam
I have offered proof and you need to actually READ what I typed. I am assuming nothing other than the POSSIBILITY that Sony is not responsible for this. You just spin around in circles bringing up things completely unrelated and desperately reaching...NASIM??? What the hell are you talking about???

1."Sony used every trick in the book to get to number one and now someone else is beating them at their own game"....what "Tricks" are you talking about?

2."all you do is assume"...Funny since I never once mentioned "paying for exclusives" or "Square Enix"...which leads me to:

3.Calling me "deluded"...I don't think you know what that means seeing that you are the one claiming I said things which I haven't and that Sony has done things which they may or may not have.

4."So you see what sony did as fair enough cos its their product but then have a go at the thought, as ms haven't done it so you're assuming again, of ms doing the same. thus proving my point"...You need to stop typing with your elbows so I can understand your irrationality.

My point is that Sony probably aren't to blame as they are still offering the service of "Sony Pictures" through the 360...as for the rest of your comment, I would appear to be at a disadvantage as I am limited to logic and common sense where you seem to be void of those restrictions.
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anh_duong - 398 days 8 hours ago
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gam71? do you seriously think ms will not license vc-1???

the damage to microsoft credibility would be beyond belief. furthermore, ms can forget any third party from using it's codec again it it did something like this.

ms wants people to use it's codec because it wants to control digital media.

i think you are living in la la land if you think ms will ever consider pulling out of vc-1 licenses to all the companies that represent the blu-ray consortium.
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Gam71 - 398 days 8 hours ago
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"gam71? do you seriously think ms will not license vc-1??? "

of course they will.

where did you get the impression i thought they wouldn't?
it was you who implied that?
I was talking about ms supporting blu-ray and your comment that blu-ray doesn't need vc-1.

try to stay on track.
Blu-ray which is another sony attempt to control a media format, mini-disc, betamax, drm.

Again i never said or implies ms wanted to or would act like sony and pull support. You did.
Typical. ignore what the sony fan says but twist the comments of someone who disagrees so it looks like they said it.

btw mr bun i see you've replied and i might read it later.

lol look at the disagrees on this thread

really is SDF activating.

edit:

I read your comment bun and i'm more convinced than ever after reading your comments constantly attacking ms and anyone who uses their products (not you though) how deluded you are
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anh_duong - 398 days 7 hours ago
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well this is where you are 100% wrong because sony=/=blu-ray.. how can you control a format that you don't own.

blu-ray is a consortium get it in your little shrunken skull

so this pretty much sinks your argument about sony controlling a format doesn't it??

btw i just purchased three xboxes in the last month so again this pretty much sinks your second argument. i can send you a screen capture of the receipts if you want. i own fable, geow and practically every other AAA rated xbox game.

i also have an xbmc original xbox and was one of the first adopters of vista. i paid for the retail version and didn't just get vista oem. my smartphone is a hp windows mobile phone (as well as a blackberry and iphone). so no, you fail, i don't hate microsoft.

i have said as many good things about ms products as bad things - in fact i will even send you a link to show you me selling one of my spare ps3 because i just bought an xbox.
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IdleLeeSiuLung - 398 days 7 hours ago
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I can't see how this is good for the consumer and focus shouldn't be on what MS did or Sony did. I think they all are croocked and that is the ugly side of business.

If this is true, then I think fans of either console should oppose it. Next thing you know, everybody starts making stuff incompatible or unavailable on each console. This is just one more step in making it worse for consumers!
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bouncybullet - 398 days 6 hours ago
1.45 - Sony doesn't have a problem with Streaming to other non-Sony Windows PC's..
Yeah,
you don't see MS taking away Sony's license to use Windows on their PC's.

All I see is Sony being a selfish B*tch.
Maybe when they get around to copying the 360 for the 10th time and add Netflix to the PS3, they'll let the 360 have their sh*tty movies.

They have gone from stealing features from other consoles to sabotaging features on other consoles.

And all the psycho fanboys cheer them on because they're also selfish for some reason.
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Sitdown - 398 days 2 hours ago
1.46 - @thewhoopimen
Please expound on your statement of "MS has literally been the biggest douchebag this console generation. "

@Battleaxe
Please feel free to explain further your statement of "MS started it all with buying game exclusive content"

This is not middle school kids going tit for tat...we are talking about businesses trying to make money. MS is a "douche"...well show us links were guns were put to these companies heads and making them make products for MS. Battleaxe....are we to believe that Sony has never bought any exclusive content...or done things that was better for its company?
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elorm9 - 397 days 23 hours ago
1.48 - @Gam
You're not providing examples of when Sony did any of that.
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ThanatosDMC - 397 days 23 hours ago
1.49 - Mr Bun and Gam71
"Finish Him!"

I'm pretty sure i wasnt the only one who didnt enjoy that one.

Anyway, for all we know they were just late in licensing? Did anybody ever think of that? Maybe somebody just did an "oops" moment and forgot to renew it.

But it's a nice way to screw someone who just regurgitated their console a new.
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