October NPD raw data - Wii sales soar, 360 flattens PS3

happyface - 409 days 16 hours ago

if ps3 is getting outsold 2 to 1 at the holidays they're just hosed

Little Big Planet comes out and no casuals buy ps3s for it?

R2 comes out and no one buys ps triples?

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Breakfast - 409 days 16 hours ago

2008 is the year of the ps3.

Im glad all the hoopla is over.
I can rest now.

:)

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RSX - 409 days 16 hours ago

R2 Didnt come out in October.

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LightningPS3 - 409 days 16 hours ago

what's it gonna take for Sony to understand that they can't compete with the prices being the way they are right now.

Right now it's only 180k, which is almost 2-1. But this it's a sign that it's gonna get very bad in November and December.

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shazam - 409 days 16 hours ago

im sorry but even squirrel logic tells us that R2 came out in november and lbp came out in late october (the 28th) and this is october npd not november. and squirrels will go all the way back to the side of the road they started if a car comes, even if they are more than three quarters of the way across. so clearly some of the people above me are dumber than squirrels.

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Danja - 409 days 16 hours ago

The 360 had a major price cut in October what did you guy expect to happen...

R2 came out Novemeber 4th , LBP Oct.28th....

Ne ways the PS3 still selling well....and im enjoying R2 , LBP ,M2 and Socom currently so im not losing out...on nothing..!! ^.^

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green - 409 days 16 hours ago

So what about fallout 3?Didn't fallout 3 drop on the 28th as well?So how come the 360 version of fallout 3 outsold LBP by 150,000 copies?

Evaluate yourself from head to toe properly before calling people dumb.

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Ju - 409 days 15 hours ago

Guess Sony perfectly understands that without a price cut they loose big - if you would consider success is solely based on numbers sold. For them, however, it could mean, find a way to justify not to sink even more money into the business, but getting some in return. Well, now, if you have a huge margin to play with, well, yes, then #sold will have an impact on your bottom line. However, if you just kill your profits or, worse, increase your debt, you'd think twice if you want to sell more.

No doubt, lowering the price will sell more PS3s. And it is a pain for a customer to go out buy a "toy" for $400 right now. I understand. But from a business perspective, they won't lower the price unless they can reduce the costs even further until this makes sense. No whining in the world will change that.

I am pretty sure there is a road map to a price cut, just - as a pity for some - it won't happen this year. But, compares to MS (not to Nintendo, I guess), there is room to get the price down. Wii can also go down below $200, I suppose, but will the 360 ever drop further ? I give MS the benefit of the moment, it'll be way harder as soon as PS3 hits $299, which it will sooner or later.

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BrunoM - 409 days 15 hours ago

hey sup guys well im not gona be here trying to fight other IDEAS but just in case u guys dont know the ps3 has still out sould the 360 ALL year (and by that i mean world sale for all of 08 so far)

and in a all SONY is doing great psp ps2 (wow there) and the ps3 ..

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Breakfast - 409 days 15 hours ago

...But they lost in the playoffs.

Metaphor for Sony, if you didnt know.

:)

Mods happened to my bubbles. Dont step on their toes, on touchy subjects....im warning you :(

I just won a small victory here Danja....dont take that away from me.

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Danja - 409 days 15 hours ago

damn Breakfast ..what happened to ur bubbles dude..?

so in other words you mean the 360 might be outselling the PS3 for the while..but the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 total install base...when it's all said and done...LOL..!

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jwatt - 409 days 15 hours ago

Wow good numbers for the 360 with it's price cut but that was expected. I thought the ps3 would be a little higher, I think the 200 mark would have been just right. I would have to say the 360 actually effected the ps3 sales this time around. I also think the main contribution to this was Price cut plus Rockband being exclusive for a month. I think Nov is going to go to the 360 also with gears of war.

Even with the Numbers, I know Sony is not worried and expected these kind of results because they're were not going to give the ps3 a price cut. I think the ps3 still held it's own though.

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Smacktard - 409 days 15 hours ago

How can the PS3 be selling well if the PS2 is creeping close to them in sales numbers? Please, someone explain this to me.

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gambare - 409 days 15 hours ago

I wonder if those numbers has something to do with the release of gears 2 and the price cut?

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BrunoM - 409 days 15 hours ago

humm dont get the disagrees on my coment i mean im just pointing out something that is TRUE and reall .. but W.e but can think what they like ..

So i make it a lil bit easier is like these ... a 3 year old console has a 3 or 2 Mil consoles sale ahead of a 2 year old condole it had about 5 to 6 Mil head start .. but what ever thats not inportant ..

point is In world wide sale these year the year of 08 the ps3 and sony have out sold the Xbox360 ..

(o and just a side note i own all 3 of the consoles and the psp) no fanboi thing just something that is true thats why im pointing it out ..!

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RememberThe357 - 409 days 15 hours ago

What can't you understand? Sony can not afford a price cut right now. Have you seem their losses? They cannot do that right now. Ken Kutaragi, for all he's done for us gamers, put too much into the system. It is true that the PS3 seems future proof but cost cutting did not seem to be apart of the plan at launch. The original PS3 was over engineered and Kutaragi's successor Kaz Hirai, has had one hell of a time making the system profitable. Kazz has massive losses to try to turn around, Making those losses bigger will not help the situation.

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Tony P - 409 days 15 hours ago

True. I thought MS full of bull and cooperate spin with that 2:1 comment.

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Bitter Tears - 409 days 15 hours ago

:'(

WHY DOES THE PS3 CONTINUE TO GO NOWHERE? IT'S LIKE THE KID IN THE HOUSEHOLD THAT SAYS HE'LL GET A JOB, HE'LL LOSE SOME WEIGHT, AND HE'LL GET A GIRLFRIEND BUT JUST SITS THERE.

WHYYYYYY?!

:'(

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

:'( :'(

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Lifendz - 409 days 14 hours ago

Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought.

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kunit22c - 409 days 13 hours ago

BrunoM its not that good of an idea to be bringing up the ps2 considering that it is pretty close to the ps3 in sales, also the fact that the ps2 and ps3 sales added togather dont equal the 360's or the wii's sales, and add togather psp, ps2 and ps3 and the still dont even have as many sales as wii and barely beats the DS. And all the ps2 shows is that sony doesnt have complete trust in the ps3. So i suggest no sony fanboy bring up the ps2.

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likedamaster - 409 days 12 hours ago

@Bruno

The 360 just beat out PS3 on YTD sales, not by much but still on top. That's probably why. Look it up, it's there.

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Emmo - 409 days 11 hours ago

Hopeully now all the PS3 fanboys will shut up about what is coming next, 360 is smashing them.
Message to all PS3 owners, go out and buy some games.

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thewhoopimen - 409 days 8 hours ago

you 360 fanbois shouldn't be so gleeful. This price cut was meant to take over the Wii not just the ps3. With a starting price that is now $50 less than even the Wii... a sales surge is SUPPOSED to be expected. But the fact of the matter is the Wii STILL beat out the 360 even with price advantage, tech advantage, and even home turf advantage means that 360 is not winning diddly crap anytime soon. Another price drop with the 360 is NEVER going to do anything more at this point. With MS having shown its complete hand, what can the xbox division do now? What will MS use once Sony starts cutting prices? The 1st party ramp up of Sony's is gaining momentum as we speak. Programming tools are matured, technology is perfecting, and multiplats no longer carry a DISTINCT advantage on the 360 side and will continue to lose advantage to 1st party titles that clearly show superior production values.

What will 360 use to hold this advantage now?

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vhero - 409 days 7 hours ago

I'm sorry but this is US hahaha this is completly pointless you americans stick together like glue. The only reason ppl stick with MS is patriotism BS you got going over there. Making US numbers pretty much meaningless..

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Bob Dole - 409 days 7 hours ago

Who gives a sh1t? Bob Dole sure the hell doesn't. Let sony run their company the way they friggin want to and play some damn games.

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SL1M DADDY - 409 days 4 hours ago

It's NPD after all. North America only and as we all know, the price cut for MS had the biggest impact on North American numbers and only slight impact on sales elsewhere. Anybody surprised by this hike in sales and braging about it just sounds silly. Not a cent in the pockets of fanboys because of this sales sipke and yet they clammer like they just won the lootery. lol

Guys, the console is half as expensive and the games, being out longer are less costly and there are more of them. Add all that up and the 360 SHOULD be outselling the PS3... It's a no brainer. Heck, I would say it's more embarassing when the PS3 outsells the 360 given the same circumstances.

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pavarotti - 409 days 2 hours ago

the sony army are gonna need time to regroup after seeing that. a few good rrod, why pay for live? and disc scratching threads will help heal some wounds, and give them a chance of lifting their demoralised spirits....especially as the ps2 was snapping at the ps3s heels again.

man the wii must be selling at the rate the ps2 was last gen surely?

slim daddy: embarassing for microsoft when sony outsells them?? leave it out mate. after 10 years of total domination, and a brand as big as playstation, how the f^*k is that embarassing?? i thought sony would leave the gate in 06, and wipe the floor with everybody. instead, they're probably gonna beat the 360 by a mil or two ytd in 08...that's it! it's unbelievable how badly the most recent playstation console is selling compared to it's older brothers.

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xhairs9 - 409 days 1 hour ago

Because it was delayed right at launch. Those of us who went to get it and heard it was delayed...still don't have it. I don't plan on getting fallout 3 ever, pretty much because of the fact that I've started my own personal boycott against those games that have exclusive dlc and timed exclusives. It's killing the industry, it's pissing people off, and it's just plain stupid.

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majorsuave - 409 days 1 hour ago

"1.19 - You guys think maybe
Sony can't lower the price because they need to actually turn a profit on that thing and that they'd rather lose the console war and earn a profit with the PS3 then win the war and bankrupt the company? Just a thought."

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Sony make money with Music, TVs, professional TV/Broadcast gear and dozens of other divisions (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... they won't bankrupt the company over a division that is probably 1% of their income.

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Mainman - 409 days ago

In 2008, in North-America the PS3 has autsold the 360 by 50600 units including the October NPD numbers. So, PS3 is doing fine if you look at what Microsoft had to to do achieve this months numbers (price-cut).

Just add all of the X360 and PS3 2008 NPD numbers together and you'll see the PS3 still sold more than 50600 units.

But the year isnt over though. There are still 2 more months in 2008.

Personally I think the PS3 will sell more then 360 at the end of the console war. Why? Because if the PS3 can keep up with the 360 sales despite having a higher price, than it can only get better for the PS3.

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jadenkorri - 409 days ago

did anyone notice its only north america numbers, not worldwide, i suppose, if something sells in america, means everyone else in the world buys it too....wrong...why cause they know American built stuff never last...althou i do home America does make the machines of our dustruction, we at least have a chance,if Japan does, the freaking things are gonna be solar powered, self repairing, self replicating dustructive machines...

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The Lazy One - 408 days 23 hours ago

No it hasn't. YTD sales in NA are as follows:

Wii 5,981,000 (55.0%, +0.6%)
360 2,459,200 (22.6%, +0.7%)
PS3 2,441,400 (22.4%, -1.3%)

360 just pulled ahead in october, and if it stays ahead with this momentum, it'll probably come out over a couple hundred thousand if not more.

I am in a constant state of disbelief in how much the wii sells.

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The Lazy One - 408 days 21 hours ago

October was a 4 week month, September was 5.

the PS3 actually sold 2% better per week in october than september.

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callahan09 - 408 days 21 hours ago

Half the price, twice the sales. Makes sense to me.

Edit: @Happy Face. Come on now... system sellers don't usually work as zero day effects. It's not like somebody who wants LittleBigPlanet is waiting for the day the game comes out to buy the console to play it on. People have been buying PS3's for two years now, and many of them were partially (and some wholly, I'm sure) influenced by the existence and prospect of LittleBigPlanet. Others will be buying it gradually as they get paychecks, or realize that it is actually finally out, etc. (remember, a lot of people had no clue when they could actually go buy it due to the confusing delay). As more gamers who haven't entered the next gen (read: this gen) or bought a PS3 find out about LittleBigPlanet and decide that they want it, they will buy PS3's. It's not a day one factor on system sales. It will, however, have an effect this holiday. Or, at least, it should (ideally).

The game was only out for 3 full sales days in October, and even considering that many stores didn't get them until November for some reason unbeknownst to me.

Also, Resistance 2 wasn't out in October at all.

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happyface - 409 days 16 hours ago

Little Big Planet and R2 come and and PS3 sales DROP and 360 outsells it 2 to 1????

Sonys biggest games of the year come out and they get crushed, Little Big Planet didn't sell any consoles to casuals AT ALL? No one bought a ps3 for R2?

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solar - 409 days 16 hours ago

my ps3 is collecting dust right now.

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XXXCouture - 409 days 16 hours ago

lol at your disagrees. some apparently cannot accept the box outsold the ps. anyway happyface i think the ps' sales will rise in the next coming months

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PirateThom - 409 days 16 hours ago

Resistance 2 was November 4th, it's not going to affect October.... wow...

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ericnellie - 409 days 16 hours ago

This isnt' flame bait or VGChart numbers. This is the real deal - PS3 got pwned even with LBP and R2. They are triple A titles but what good are triple A titles if no ones buying them?

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Danja - 409 days 16 hours ago

LBP came out October 28th ,R2 came out November 4th...

way to go making urself look like a dumba$$...

now lets talk about how the 360 is cheaper than a Wii but still gets outsold by 2:1 margin also..?

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Dannagar - 409 days 15 hours ago

It's funny, I had money set aside for Little Big Planet. I had it pre-ordered. When it didn't come out, I ended up spending the money on other games. I'm still plenty occupied with the games I bought. I'm still not sure when I'll pick up Little Big Planet. However, I'm very happy with Fable II.

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jaysquared - 409 days 14 hours ago

It doesn't matter when R2 was released if LBP didn't do squat to the PS3 sales when every fanboy on this site proclaimed it was going to help the PS3 overtake the 360 and it didn't then R2 isn't going to do squat! Face it every Sony fans on this site proclaimed LBP was going to catapult the PS3 to the top and it didn't. The PS3 doesn't have anything left in the bag to overtake the 360 now. The fact that every Sony fan on this site put so much hype into LBP and it didn't deliver then I can safely say KZ2 will do the same thing. FF XIII is now on the 360 even though its only in N. America and Europe. I can honesly say now that the PS3 will never catch up on the 360s install base in N. America unless Sony drops the price of the PS3 at the same price as the 360. PS3 will come in last in console sales this gen behind the Wii and the 360. And please stop proclaiming which year the PS3 will take over because it will never happen.

@below- Funny cuz gears were able to sell 2 million in 2 days. Fallout 3 was able to sell 500k for 2 days. Halo3 were able to sell 3 million in 2 days.. A lot can be done in two days. Who's the idiot now?

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Billabong - 409 days 14 hours ago

Yea... 2 days of LBP being on sale at the end of the month is going to get MAJOR sales!!

..idiot

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likedamaster - 409 days 11 hours ago

2.1 million in 24 hours. It will be chart topper for Nov.08

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xhairs9 - 409 days 1 hour ago

I never proclaimed that...strange because you said everyone proclaimed it would :/

There's nothing wrong with LBP, the only reason why it got shot in the foot so bad was because of the fact that it came out in the middle of a bunch of games, low advertising, and the mother load of them all was the fact that it was DELAYED at launch for another week or two (I can't remember). When I learned I had to wait another 2 weeks for the game I just bought another game and haven't been back yet until I'm done playing these games.

It's kind of sad that it came to this because I really wanted to get on this game, but at the same time I can't afford rockband for $250 and another crapload of 6 games. It's ridiculous.

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cheapndirty - 408 days 23 hours ago

The greater supply of Wii hardware at retail is evident in the sales figures for the month with the Wii enjoying its best sales month outside of last November and December.

The price reduction on the Xbox 360 is paying dividends at retail as the platform realized a 7% unit sales increase over September. Keeping in mind that September was a 5-week month while October had four, the sales pace increased 33%.

The PS3 realized the greatest year-over-year monthly unit sales increase at 57%.

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The Lazy One - 408 days 23 hours ago

It came out the 28th, but so did fallout 3, and fallout 3 still outsold LBP with much less hype.

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darkpower - 408 days 22 hours ago

Why do you keep trying to compare the two games. Fallout 3 doesn't have a bundle coming out soon, LBP does (which might also explain the sales figures, too). Fallout 3 is more of the hardcore gamers that will buy that game regardless and for some reason thinks "casual games" is a four-letter word and that they are radioactive somehow to the hardcore base.

Seriously, stop comparing the two. They aren't the same thing and Fallout 3 did come out first, if I remember correctly.

Oh, and LBP is an exclusive, Fallout 3 came out on the 360, too, which might explain why Fallout 3 sold more units in your factor (you're including the combined number it sold across all the systems).

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 409 days 15 hours ago

The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii' in the U.S.of.A and it still can't beat the 'Wii'!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

What is it, 20'ish Million xBox 360's sold in 3 years???
20 Million Divided in to 3 Million = 6.6 Million'ish??? ;-D ;-D ;-D
xBox 360 = FAIL

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Snake Raiser - 409 days 14 hours ago

This reminds me of mgs3... when snake (BIG BOSS) was betrayed by The Boss... But in the end BIG BOSS won.

World wide the ps3 I am sure did better than this. x360 always does well in the U.S. You couldn't have expected PS3 to win the U.S.. No time soon...

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Bitter Tears - 409 days 14 hours ago

:'( PS3 DIDNT WIN AGAIN :'(

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Jason 360 - 409 days 3 hours ago

Wii 803
360 371
PS3 190

PS3 + 3rd + decline = fail

You have no argument, so you use the Wii to say 360 fails, even though your name is Sir_Ken_Kutaragi (((desperate)))

Wii 803
360 371

If you think thats bad look at it this away

Wii 803
PS3 190 <--- HAHA!!!

Chew on that sh!t. Whats it taste like? I bet it taste like pwned.

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Patchstation 3 - 409 days ago

Spin lemming spin!!!

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BLuKhaos - 408 days 23 hours ago

I warned you guys that karma was going to come back to bite us in the ass.Well let the bots enjoy their anal sex celebration.

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Hentai - 408 days 21 hours ago

371,000 people need to go get laid

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 408 days 17 hours ago

It's TRUE!!! what i said tho before??? ;-D

The 'xBox 360' is cheaper than the 'Wii'???

SO -

It SHOULD sell more than the 'Wii'??? Why not???

Or don't it work that way!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D I don't get it then!!! ;-D

Sorry My Little xBot Zombie Cavemen Lemmings!!! That's a FAIL!!! ;-D

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BLaZiN PRopHeT - 409 days 16 hours ago

@ 2.1 you should redo your math. the 360 has over taken the ps3s YTD numbers. and were talking about NA in this thread since it is about NPD.

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mint royale - 409 days 16 hours ago

stop lying, the 360 HAS overtaken the ps3 in yearly sales now, stop making up numbers. And as for Europe, I know your probably blind like most fanboys but since the last pricecut the 360 is outselling the ps3 in Europe. Every tracking firm confirms this - charttrack, gfk etc.

How can you honestly say that 2008 is th last year of teh xbox when its just outsold the ps3 2-1? I guess the ps3 is already dead then.

I have nothing against the ps3, its just fanboys (especially sony ones on this sight are so blind its too funny). The ps3 is a great machine but surely its clear even to fanboys now that its overpriced.

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testerg35 - 409 days 15 hours ago

nasim.. you said 2008 was the year of the ps3. Also, LBP should have made a bigger impact even if it was only 3 days worth.

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morganfell - 409 days 15 hours ago

And the PS3 still has a Worldwide Lead ha ha. Enjoy your win in the US this month MS, it won't carry over.

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Snukadaman_ - 409 days 13 hours ago

I think if you would of added "Just wait till 2009" or had a list of ps3 games...your posting would of been comedy gold....god bless you sweet droid.

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morganfell - 409 days 11 hours ago

One other note Lightning. no one knows except Sony what they want from PS3 sales.

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Deadman64 - 409 days 9 hours ago

"Oh well if you count sales of PS3's on tuesdays after 5PM only then the PS3 outsold the 360 by tons!!"

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IzKyD1331 - 409 days 16 hours ago

PS3 has sold more than 360 this year....who's leading?
and I don't think the 360 price cuts ANYTHING to do with this lead /sarcasm

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Rampant - 409 days 16 hours ago

These are american numbers. You want year to date numbers?

360: 2.459.000
PS3: 2.441.000

Oh, and sony droids already stated that the 360 is more expensive than the ps3. Or is it not? Whatever fits you right now ;D

I predict... No response.

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KnaveX - 409 days 16 hours ago

actually it becomes more expensive if you want it to have almost the same amount of features but, you wouldnt understand that.

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Snake Raiser - 409 days 14 hours ago

Ok, fine. Fable has been out longer.

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Bitter Tears - 409 days 14 hours ago

:'( PS3 can't price drop 4x. WTF. It sits at $399, it can drop to $299 but that's the lowest the PS3 will probably go for for a really long time. Unless you want to count $50 intervals which the 360 can also drop in.

Just accept the PS3 is going down in sales and the 360 is beating it. The 360 always has room to drop the prices of the Elite or Pro $50 or $100 if they really were desperate.

Everyone knows that Microsoft always announces things within the same year of release or close. Sony teases them a mile away with trailers.

I accepted that my PS3 isn't doing well. You should too.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

But you can always believe this will demolish.

:'(

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caffman - 409 days ago

tortella=nasim

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Bucky Sligo - 409 days 5 hours ago

Impressive? yes
Better than Xbox360? nope

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Irishrocket69 - 409 days 16 hours ago

Even if the droids try to spin it that LBP is a new ip, when the original GeoW came out it still sold more than double (as a new ip)! And don't try to talk install base, at this point the POS3 has more units out there than the X360 had at the time Gears was released! Holy sh@! on the Wii though, I can't wait for voice chat!

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PoSTedUP - 409 days 16 hours ago

thats because the 360 gamers were starving for some good exclusive games until halo3 : ) they were deprived and a new cool shooter came out and the jumped all over it like a starving lion meets a deer. and with some really good marketing thrown in the mix.... btw have you seen a LBP commercial? i haven't....

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mint royale - 409 days 15 hours ago

so LBP did 215K which is respectable.
What about fallout 3 doing 400K in 5 days?
What about fable 2?
I thought the xbox was dead how come its kicking ass in sales?
Has it ever occured to you that microsoft has stuff planned for 09?
How much can one person be in denial. Its too funny!

Edit@ posted up
and do you see LBP at the top of sales like halo 3 was? I don't.
The ps3 is 10 million behind the ps2 and yet you still spin! Bloody ell, i'm glad I don't lead such a sad life.

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Irishrocket69 - 409 days 7 hours ago

You want to know why you have not seen many commercials on LBP, because SONY spent the money buying commercials for BR, not much left over in the honey pot. But in defense of SONY, I have seen numerous billboards advertising the game.

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NickIni - 409 days 6 hours ago

"Has it ever occured to you that microsoft has stuff planned for 09?"

Has it occurred to you that the PS3's current '09 line up is likely to be incomplete? There's roughly 6 more Sony Published titles, (meant to be announced at TGS) and the Team Ico Game. Granted, not all will release in '09, but several will, and MS will need to release a lot to compete with the PS3's line up, and expected quality of these games.

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mint royale - 409 days 15 hours ago

It sold well why do you have to exaggerate.

Thats pathetic. Its as if you feel you have to exagerate how well it sold to make it sound better. Did it not sell like you expected?

Whats the next post going to be like.

'Released just 6 hours before NPD LBP sells over 200,000 copies!!!1!

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Danja - 409 days 15 hours ago

LBP was originally suppose to be released on October 25th , but ti got delayed till October 28th..

which means it sold 215k in 3 days...

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mint royale - 409 days 15 hours ago

on the neo-gaf thread.

Im sure was tracked for 5 days by NPD - remember NPD stops at the end of weeks not when the new calendar month hits.

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caffman - 409 days ago

or halo 3? Or fable 2?

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vega75 - 409 days 14 hours ago

are you upset that only hardcore sonyfanboys are the only one's buying LBP. i mean fallout 3 came out around the same time as LBP and still sold more on the 360. and you talk about japan isn't going for it. you must have just arrived back to earth. because the 360 was out selling the ps3 since august. you clear don't know what your talking about. you want to lol at all the 360 fangirl. but it's the sonyfangirls thats more funny trying to spin the poor sells of LBP and the ps3.

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