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2k Responds Again to PS3 Bioshock Complaints

Ripten:

"A few days ago we reported that 2K Community Manager, Elizabeth Tobey, had responded to complaints voiced by gamers on their forum regarding the visual quality of the company's PS3 Bioshock demo. Specifically, there were concerns that the textures in the PS3 version were not on par with that of the 360 version.

Last night, Elizabeth issued an update to her initial post, following up with readers and giving them some additional insight into what was being done to resolve the issues.

Her full statement, complete with in-game screens presented to help better illustrate the final state of the game, is available after the jump."

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DavidMacDougall - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Not bad graphics for a port where the 360 was lead platform

Thank for the news will be picking this up

LOL at the disagrees

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Nostradavis - 443 days 13 hours ago

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It's nice to see that they are responding.

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bomboclaat_gamer - 443 days 12 hours ago

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the guy above me is funny. get it anyways. graphics dont really matter anyways. its not like uve seen PS3 fanboys bragging about killzone 2's graphics right?...........oh yeah. they did.

double standard i tell yah. it shows how much of a hypocrite and fanboys some of u r. enjoy the great game for what it is. altho its not up to par with the 360.

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FantasyStar - 443 days 12 hours ago

1.5 - "graphics dont really matter anyways"

Is that right?

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prunchess - 443 days 12 hours ago

1.6 - Yeah I'll get it anyway.....

I'm more of a story whore than a graphics whore for this game anyway.
I'm no fan of any games using the Unreal engine. Just something about the graphics and feel that I don't like.

Is that just me?

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thebudgetgamer - 443 days 11 hours ago

1.7 - anyone remember when gaming was all about fun?

not all about NPD numbers and pixel counts, when what mattered was gameplay. those were good times. not anymore i guess. now its all about trolling articles to bash the next guys system of choice.

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JsonHenry - 443 days 10 hours ago

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While it does appear from the screens that the PS3 is slightly less detailed visually - he core gameplay and immersion you feel while playing this game MORE than makes up for it.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 443 days 9 hours ago

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Too me the graphics didn't seem that far apart if even noticeable for most. This is a great game and I would highly recommend it. If you got both PS3 and 360, I recommend gettting it at a budget price on the 360.

I think probably the more important thing to me than graphics is the controller....

The interresting thing from a technical side is, why do they have to implement a blur effect to keep the framerate smooth? Why would applying a filter improve framerate, when it should decrease due to more processing? Unless they applied the filter to hide something else?

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StephanieBBB - 443 days 7 hours ago

1.10 - I don't know about you folks but...

There's no way in hell im buying this crapified version of bioshock for the ps3. 2k studios suck at programming for the PS3 and that really shows with this port.

They should't be calling themselves developers with this kind of sloppy work imo.

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DaTruth - 443 days 6 hours ago

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I found it too claustrophobic. You can't walk 6 feet in any direction; the graphics weren't as good as I expected, especially in such small and confined spaces. But the ambiance alone is a good reason to buy it, the demo had me jumping out of my seat and the story is supposed to be good to.

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likedamaster - 443 days 4 hours ago

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@steph

You almost always reply to comments and never keep them open. Tsk tsk.

@everyone in here

2k is the last Dev you should blame. Blame Sony for building the hardware the way they did. It happened with GTAIV. The PS3 doesn't do antialiasing well(it corrects jaggies) without a performance hit. They used antialiasing on the 360 and the blur filter for PS3, to have less of an impact on the framerate. Its a technique Devs use for the PS3 which has almost the same effect as antialiasing. I don't know if it was me but the ps3 screenshots looked further away than the 360's as to hide the obvious pixelation. Uhm, I'm not convinced. With all that said, the game is also a port. If you want it, get it. I personally think there's nothing to worry about, its a good game.
Just my opinion.

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Lelouch V Brit - 443 days 2 hours ago

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a port is a port.

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FrankenLife - 442 days 15 hours ago

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I am really glad that 2k took the time to respond to gamers. Where they could have just said that the demo doesn't look as good as the finished product they went and put up pictures to back them up.

It looks good. I already have it for the 360, so I won't be picking up the ps3 version. Everyone that hasn't played this game should.

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MaximusPrime - 443 days 13 hours ago

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just treat this as a great game, whether you like it or not.

good to hear some responds.

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Liquid Dust - 443 days 12 hours ago

2.1 - Yea I agree Prime

Some people are getting a little out of hand with how critical and offensive with how they treat 2k at the moment. I have to admit even I was pretty furious at first and I put out a hate post, but I will be grabbing this game. Even with its subtle flaws and differences, at it's core it is still the 2007 game of the year that many 360 players had the chance to play and now PS3 owners will get to experience.

Everyone should calm down, explain your concerns civily, if you like it get it, if not there are plenty more games on the way. 2k is a great developer, and theyre listening I guarantee it, we're not going to be left in the dark

Thank you 2k Elizabeth!

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xhairs9 - 443 days 11 hours ago

2.2 - it's sad really...

Do people not realize how hard it is to make the same EXACT game using two different programming languages? It's sad really that people don't show the respect this game deserves, yeah it's also a slap in the face to see that this game truly wasn't built from the ground up but rather ported (graphic wise) from the 360 -- bad decision. But it's like asking you to make two houses exactly the same in every way but using straw for one and wood for the other. The houses wont look the same, wont be sturdy the same etc...c'mon people the game still looks amazing and I will be picking it up because I wanna slap that little girl.

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Nostradavis - 443 days 9 hours ago

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No. They don't. If they did they would likely be programmers.

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IcarusOne - 442 days 13 hours ago

2.4 - PS3 goes SOFT

People need to cut 2k and other programmers a break. They've done a phenomenal job porting this beast. From what I can see, the problem isn't with their programming - but with the PS3.

A couple weeks back I did a side-by-side comparison of the Fracture demo on 360 and PS3. The PS3 version was noticeably softer. So soft in fact that when seen next to the 360 version, it hardly looked like HD anymore.

I've noticed the exact same look/effect with Bioshock. All TV settings remained constant, and both systems are flowing through HDMI. I'm no expert, but it makes me wonder: Why is the 360 consistently sharper? Does it have something to do with the upscaling tech?

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TheBrit - 443 days 13 hours ago

3 - good lord

If people are going to get hung up over that then they are crazy.

The game is excellent, who cares if the ps3 version doesn't look quite as nice as our 360 version - play it for what it is.

There will be games made for the ps3 that might look better on it than on the 360 and it wont matter. As long as they play the same and offer fun then you wont need to stop and gape at the images and try to nit pick.

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Kaneda - 443 days 12 hours ago

3.1 - well

PS3 is a year late.. if they are selling for 59.99.. people expecting more than that from a developer. Probably some time exclusive contract with M$ making PS3 version inferior to 360 and a year later...

These are PS3 owners.. we don't tolerate bad quality.. :)

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swinesucker - 442 days 23 hours ago

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Dude, no it doesn't, it is obviously worse.

The more you PS3 nuts love these people even more for their crap ports the more stable PS3 people like me get these crap ports.

60 dollars no thank you.

I think sigma is 30 right now and a better game than NG 2.

Hello hayabusa.

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SixTwoTwo - 443 days 13 hours ago

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All I can say about the PS3 version is at least the gameplay is good. I think I will just stick with the PC version. Sorry 2k.

Anybody who has played the PC version AND the PS3 version will know where I'm coming from.

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swinesucker - 442 days 23 hours ago

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I really need a decent pc but with my cashflow it's not happening

I have my ps3 and love it

this is just 2k not caring and acting the whole time like they did

unexcused and made worse by people that insist still the game looks fine.

NO. So patch the pc with survivor.

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TUFFnNYC - 443 days 13 hours ago

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I never played Bioshock before until yesterday when i downloaded the demo to see what the fuss was about. And honestly imo the whole debate on textures isnt a big deal. Especially when we all know that it was ported from the 360. Its a pretty good game none the less. Interesting story as well. Again, we all know what the PS3 is capable of doing so lets all enjoy the game for what it is.

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juuken - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Thank you!

I played the demo too and the graphics aren't THAT bad. It's not that everything is so muddled that you can barely see where you're going. And it's a port for heaven's sake, seriously. -__-

As long as 2k is responding to the issues, that sounds good enough for anyone still looking to buy the game.

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J@D - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Look like I made the right decision after all. Change my totaly payed Bioshock reservation 4 Farcry 2 ^^

I don't fall on the same tricks 2 times *cough*OrangeBox*cough* even if the game comes from different company but the situation is the same one.

I might pick up Bioshock when the game hit a good price tag as $30 or less. That's what the game cost to me especially when the PC look and play equally and look way too superior so... Sorry 2K & 2Kelizathen u epic fail on everything possible way from my personal point of view of course.

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ChrisGTR1 - 443 days 13 hours ago

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your upset a game is better on 360 so you change it to another multiplat. farcry 2 LOL, you know farcry 2 is made by a PC developer right? looks like your gonna have to trade that for something else also.

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J@D - 443 days 13 hours ago

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^ upset? Ur getting my POV idea totally wrong... more likely disappointed to begin with. Second, how u think ur are to judge my action huh? I do with my hard earned money whatever I want cancel/trade/change my reservation how many time I want. If u are a teenage that ur mommy or ur papa need to give u money to buy up ur games too bad 4 u. I work hard every single day to earn my money pay my bills, my transportation, my university bills and books and ur are tell such a stupid opinion? Give me a break pal. Everything on life cost a thing but this game doesn't meet those expectations... full price not way but instead an $40 price tag it could be considerate easily. I'm talking about myself and not everyone else cuz every single person have different opinions and personalities and different tastes but for me... sorry for me ur teenager at mind even if ur are more that 18 years old sorry.

Grow up and be more polite next time.

P.D.
My ignore list give u a nice and warm welcome ^^

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Nostradavis - 443 days 12 hours ago

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Bioshock > Farcry. nuff said.

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lowcarb - 443 days 12 hours ago

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Bioshock is a good game and worth 60 but I do see where your coming from, and think it's unfair of them to charge so much when it's cheaper else where.

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ChrisGTR1 - 443 days 11 hours ago

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alright mr hypocrite, if you were really upset about the price you wouldnt of pre ordered it in the first place. your just mad the 360 version is better and thats why you changed it, your quite ignorant in thinking farcry 2 is better when bioshock was the game of the year for 07. of course games are expensive, but to say your switching it to farcry 2 when all your accomplishing is (still)wasting 60$ and getting a worse product.

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nycredude - 443 days 9 hours ago

6.6 - Chris...

Calm down with the Bioshock love dude. It WAS GOTY but in 2007! It is now 2008 and almost 2009. Get over it. It WAS and IS a great game but there have been many great games since. BTW how do you know it is better than Farcry? Have you played it? maybe the guy prefers Farcry's type over Bioshock.

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DaTruth - 443 days 6 hours ago

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The graphics would have to be a hundred times better on 360 to even qualify as good graphics. Maybe in 2007 but not anymore. especially in these small confined areas, they're still not as good as Heavenly Sword, with it's thousand guys on one screen and huge panoramic vistas.

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name - 443 days 13 hours ago

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I don't think anyone who wanted to buy this game because it looked good to them really care. It's good to see that the visuals have been updated and that they're responding to the criticisms though. I'll be getting both this and dead space.

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swinesucker - 442 days 23 hours ago

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Have you been to the forums?

they aren't responding to anything but all the hate, and they certainly aren't doing **** about it.

Graphics updated>>>>>> ;>>>> eh, what?

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MaximusPrime - 443 days 13 hours ago

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well im not getting the game, because i will be spending a lot of time on Burnout Paradise and LittleBigPlanet.

Bioshock is IMO an "ok" game. Im not into FPS.

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AclayPS3 - 443 days 13 hours ago

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I haven't made up my mind yet if I'm going to get Bioshock on the PS3 or not, but either way I already had tons of games I was going to pick up this Fall over Bioshock anyways (Dead Space, LBP, Motorstorm 2, Fallout 3, Resistance 2, Far Cry 2).

I had planned to get Bioshock on the PS3 early next year (January or February) but it looks like I wont be picking up Bioshock until it hits the $30 dollar mark because I just can't see myself paying full $60 bucks for a year old 360 port.

With Bioshock on PS3 coming out around the time of so many PS3 exclusives and other highly anticipated 3rd party games, I think that it might get overlooked.

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bouncybullet - 442 days 14 hours ago

9.1 - It was in my top 3 games of last year. but,

At this point it's a rental.

Even when it launched on 360 it was a rental for me.

A long Gamefly rental.

To me, if a game doesn't offer replay(online play, multiple paths) it's not worth owning.

edit: it has 2 endings but it's still the same exact path.
you just get a different 1 minute cutscene at the end.

It's just like the last mission of GTA4. (It really depends on 1 last decision.)

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name - 443 days 13 hours ago

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It's not as good as I thouht it'd be either, but I still think it's a good game. I'm actually kind of pissed that it kept getting thrown in our faces how great it was, when imo most of the games I bought in 07 are better than this game. Especially Uncharted and Ratchet and clank. They scored lower though, of course.

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Raoh - 443 days 13 hours ago

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was going to say the same thing about them responding. thats good.

i also read they used the digital extreme developer to help with the ps3 version (they worked on the ps3 version of dark sector) they are supposedly going to get more work from 2k when it comes to ps3 games. which is good cause that means the same team can use what they've learned and keep learning and only get better.

(i might be wrong about the developer name though)

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gameforall - 443 days 13 hours ago

13 - It's too late

You can't release games a year later, given that you can get them on other platforms and expect to make sales.

The game will have to look and feel twice as good to make it worth the players purchase

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Fishy Fingers - 443 days 12 hours ago

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UE3 is always going to run slightly better on the 360 (maybe not "better" but better for less effort). It's predominately been build as a PC engine and as everyone knows, porting PC code to the 360 is relatively easy compared to the PS3.

Even if Bioshock does end up looking ever so slightly worse in a few places you shouldn't pass it up. If you were excited about the game before the screens came out, was it the game you were excited about or just the visuals? That's what should matter.

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DA_SHREDDER - 443 days 12 hours ago

15 - There is one thing that that really gets to me about these multiplats

The fact that they try to make the ps3 version look identical and not better then the 360 version is why I choose not to get this game. Don't tell me the ps3 cant do it because there are games on the ps3 that look even better then bioshock. I just think its the fact that 2K only makes good playing games, and they really just don't know how to make great games that look great. NBA2K is the best basketball game out there but its light years behind in graphical detail compared to EA's live. Just admit it 2K,, you dont know how to make this game any better because your a second rate 3rd party dev.

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bunbun777 - 443 days 11 hours ago

15.1 - I wish it was that

if it was 2k's incompetence than we could all just shake our heads and walk away- but in the interview it seemed she was stressing a few points, one that the PS3 was new and different, and another point was that they tried very hard to make it similar- Imagine taking a puzzle and putting it together than having to cut new patterns into it and reforming it again. I'm afraid that because the 360 model was the benchmark, no allowances were ever given to see Bioshock exceed on the PS3, and I'm sure that was the plan all along. Buyer beware and all that- I'll be picking this one up later on after SR2, DeadSpace, LBP, FC2, and Fallout3.

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Karum - 443 days 12 hours ago

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The quality in the Big daddy screens are very different I think, imo the 360 one looks a lot better but for the rest of the screens there isn't a huge difference really.

It's good to see they responsed to people and made an effort to please the PS3 community, there are devs out there that wouldn't care so much.

Personally I don't plan on getting this game but I don't think anyone that was previously considering it should be put off by the "issues" with the demo.

Also 2k need to learn how to properly code for the PS3 but that comes with experience.

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Gaystation 3 - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Bioshock on PS3 has the worst graphics!
Bioshock on PS3 has the worst framerate!
Bioshock on PS3 has the worst screen tearing!
Bioshock on PS3 is a waste of time, money and effort!

This is not an opinion, this is the truth! Yet PS3 owners continue to live in denial, continue to deny the undeniable.

Now 2K has officially confirmed Bioshock on PS3 to be a disaster for a second time.

How will you spin this one?

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DavidMacDougall - 443 days 13 hours ago

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A 360 owner saying there console is better? How original

EDIT: "How will you spin this one?" OMFG A PORT LOOKS BAD!!!!

No spinning needed prity much all multi platform games are lead ps3 nowadays stuff like this is dying out

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DavidMacDougall - 443 days 13 hours ago

1.2 - @chasegamez below

http://www.play.com/Games/P...

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MaximusPrime - 443 days 13 hours ago

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@gamechase:

according to gamestop, it costs $60. i agreed it should be less. But you can always get it on ebay. most would be even cheaper.

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PimpHandStrong - 443 days 12 hours ago

1.5 - Confirmed

KZ2 looks better then anything seen on the 360

Bio Shock, a game a year old and still 60 bucks, was never considered a benchmark in graphics! Not like Uncharted

so anyway

Uncharted is still better looking then anything on the 360

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ShinGino - 443 days 8 hours ago

1.7 - A lot of the PS3 pics seems sorta fake...

...because in the attempt of someone blurring the PS3 version, they blurred the HUD too.
And we know HUDs don't pertain to graphics.

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Kaneda - 443 days 2 hours ago

1.8 - Too Human

I thought too human was the worst graphics and worst gameplay and 10 years in development and exclusively to 360. :)

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Gaystation 3 - 443 days 13 hours ago

2 - Worse on PS3(TM) - Bioshock features lower res textures throughout

http://www.xboxer.tv/2008/1...

Well done, all concerned! Bioshock has finally arrived on PS3, a year after Xbox 360, and it looks worse. Fantastic work. Your mothers must all be very proud, developer people, especially as this worse-looking PS3 version also requires a compulsory HD install before you're even allowed to play it.

These comparison screenshots clearly show that the PS3 version of Bioshock looks a bit blurry, blotchy and is missing a fair amount of the atmospheric background detail that made the game such a smash on Xbox 360. Here's one such comparison - Xbox 360 is on the left, PS3 on the right.

Piles more comparison shots can be found here http://www.ripten.com/2008/... The differences aren't particularly huge, but they are noticeable and show that PS3 Bioshock has a softer, blurrier and obviously RUBBISHER look to it.

Such a shame, although we're sure it still plays the same. And that's what it's all about, eh, PlayStation owners?

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DavidMacDougall - 443 days 13 hours ago

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LOL you think anybody is going to read all that we all know your a waste of time ,hope you enjoyed wasting your own

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juuken - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Unless you bots were examining the game with a magnifying glass...the game doesn't look that bad at all.

And it's KNOWN THAT THE UNREAL ENGINE DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK WITH THE PS3!

YA STUPID JACKASS!

If the graphics people want to see amazing graphics, they can play the 360/PC version. For people who care about the gameplay, they can buy the PS3 version.

Get over yourself.

Yeah, slam the disagree buttons ya bloody cowards. Like I give a sh*t about it. It proves that you're unable to come up with anything remotely intelligent these days so therefore you smack disagree buttons like little babies.

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she00win99 - 443 days 13 hours ago

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we don't care if the texture is as ugly as your face, we just want to brag to all the xbots that their overated game is not exclusive anymore. hahahaha!!!!

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Deadman64 - 443 days 12 hours ago

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Wait...how will gameplay be different on PS3? Jw because its the same game isn't it? Or are they adding some 'gameplay' changing element?

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BigKev45 - 443 days 13 hours ago

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I say wait for Bioshock 2. Why pay for a hand me down port that is not worth full price?

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aggh im on fire - 443 days 13 hours ago

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Because regardless of the graphics its still a good game. I got it on xbox but if i only had a ps3 i would still get it.

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heyheyhey - 443 days 13 hours ago

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great, so there's nothing to worry about basically.... i knew this got taken out of context... as it usually does

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juuken - 443 days 13 hours ago

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And guess who takes it out of context?

THE 360 FANBOYS!

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Deadman64 - 443 days 12 hours ago

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and the PS3 Fanboys[girls] never blow anything out of proportion or take something out of context!

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heyheyhey - 443 days 11 hours ago

5.3 -

@Deadman

uh-uh, i said "as it usually does" NOT "as it usually does by 360 owners only"

i meant what i said, everything gets blown out of proportion by 360 and PS3 fanboys alike in the gaming community

you can run along now to complain on some blog about how horrible those PS3 fans are and how they just make you feel so resentful and hurt inside... boo-hoo

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Deadman64 - 443 days 11 hours ago

5.4 -

EDIT: @ JUUKEN

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Forgot the above edit.

Thanks, have a good one.

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heyheyhey - 443 days 12 hours ago

6.1 - ..ah it's just a shame then

...that 2k already announced the platforms for Bio 2.... and the PS3 is listed

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bunbun777 - 443 days 11 hours ago

6.2 - arghhh

what no factoid? dammit this was your chance and you blew it! How am i supposed to get all upset if your trademark assault word is not properly implemented?

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GiantEnemyCrab - 443 days 13 hours ago

7 -

It's still a great game and graphics are not everything! Worth at least a rental to those who haven't played it and like FPS.

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juuken - 443 days 12 hours ago

7.1 -

I can't believe you said that.

I agree with you.

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heyheyhey - 443 days 12 hours ago

7.2 -

give this account back to it's original owner so he/she/it can continue trolling as usual please....

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CyberSentinel - 443 days 10 hours ago

7.3 - What You Lemmings Fail To Realize Is This....

....we "bots", have nothing to be angry at. That's why you see articles on N4G about gaming sites receiving less traffic then they normally should, especially around this time of the year. Only the haters, are bored and lonely because their gaming needs are not being meet this gen.

I could truly care less what sony does this generation, at this point.

Blind loyalty to one brand will only keep you from enjoying this generation.
You are only hurting yourselves by denying YOURSELVES of fun.

Jump In.

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jerethdagryphon - 442 days 16 hours ago

7.4 - O_O

crab not dising ps3???

a comment by him i actually agree with.... i need to lie down

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MAGNUM RAM SUPPORT - 443 days 12 hours ago

8 - gaystation is petty.

wow its the same.
Same old bioshock.
maybe my eyes are bad but it looks the same. The only difference I saw at
the screenshots were how the pictures were taken. Some are close some are far.

Big whoop!
is it gonna stop somebody who wants to play a single player story bioshock?
no. The guy or gal who hasn't beat it is gonna get it anyway despite having to use a
magnifying glass to spot some "differences".

The selling point for this port seems to be the added difficulty.
I agree that bioshock should not be full price. There really isn't any
replay value. There's only 2 different endings & no sight of a online component.
most likely they want to charge for some dlc to add to the cost of the port.
Also, the difficulty add just looks cool for guest that come over to play to just
to check it out.

This port might flop so hard but who cares? I got more than 20 games I'm playing
right now & 15 more coming.

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aggh im on fire - 443 days 12 hours ago

9 -

Thing is if it doesn't sell on the ps3 they might cancel the sequel for the ps3.

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dkgshiz - 443 days 12 hours ago

9.1 - I doubt it.

Even if it didnt sell that well. PS3 is going to get bioshock 2.

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0LDSCH00L - 443 days 12 hours ago

10 -

Xenos(new tech)>>>>>>R SX(old tech) now watch the 15yr old fanboys foam at the mouth. LOL!

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heyheyhey - 443 days 11 hours ago

10.1 -

hmm... i could go into a lengthy lecture about why that comment is stupid... but at this point, i can sum this argument up in a word and a letter..

Killzone 2

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karlostomy - 443 days 1 hour ago

10.2 - Wow... is that all you guys can ever say?

KZ2?
WTF? it's not out yet, but has been hyped for three years!

I will make a brave call and say it will get 8/10 on metacritic.

Get those congratulatory PMs ready!

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jerethdagryphon - 442 days 16 hours ago

10.3 - not quite

both chips are about the same level of capability xenos uses a framebuffer as do most ati cards now

gf 6/7 series
ati 15/1700s same class
ive checked specs and in many point psx is more of a pixel pusher sorry

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SilentShank - 443 days 11 hours ago

12 - Yeah...

The comparison pictures 2K released in their statement are nothing to go by.

Firstly, we see their pictures have been scaled down on the 720p screens, and even more so on the 1080p screens. Why not just show full 720p and full 1080p comparisons? ... That's a good question, my point being 2K knows the difference is pretty vast.

Secondly they state the comparisons were done with the un-patched 360 build. The patch does make a big difference for the 360 version, because it's no longer just cropping the 4:3 render, as seen in the picture below.

Lastly I'd like to just express my own personal opinion about Bioshock on the PS3. I feel, if your PS3 owner, there is NO reason why you should buy Bioshock later this year. There are a plethora of ridiculously good PS3 games hitting the shelves that should be bought instead. I'm not here to sling mud or bash, I'm here to help.

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etownone - 443 days 10 hours ago

13 -

"We did investigate rendering to true 1080 mode, but were not able to support it given the game’s memory demands."

And there you have it folks..... with all the "POWER of THE CELL!!!" and the expensive blu-ray drive, motion, wi-fi, and blu-tooth, the PS3 will always held back because of the limited amount of memory.

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pixelsword - 443 days 9 hours ago

13.1 - That's not what they're saying...

... It's because the way they made the game in the first place, they would have to rebuild the game from scratch if they were to be able to make the game in 1080p.

You would have a point if there weren't already games that weren't already in 1080p going 60 frames per second, but since they are games like that already on the PS3, you don't have a point. Lair could fit the whole game of Bioshock on one it it's levels, and have room to spare.

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karlostomy - 443 days 1 hour ago

13.3 - @ etownone

wow, look at that. Even when the developers themselves complain about ps3 memory problems, the SDF arrive and proudly proclaim their denial!

Gotta laugh at that!

wait..

wait..

hahahaha.... XD

(that's better)

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jerethdagryphon - 442 days 16 hours ago

13.4 - 512

both consoles have the same meory specs numpty

256/256
512 shared

works out at the same id rather have dedicated then shared anyways
the comment refers to both consoles memory needs are to high to run in full 1080 so they upscaled which takes less

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pixelsword - 443 days 9 hours ago

14 - Lesson for Devs:

Always,

Always,

Always do the PS3 version first, or you WILL get burned.

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etownone - 443 days 9 hours ago

14.1 -

No the lesson dev have learn is the multi-plat sell better on the 360 than the ps3....

same way xbox was held back last gen because all the dev's chose to use the ps2 as the lead platform...... now the ps3 will be held back.

only difference is that xbox games always pwned ps2 multi-plat
and yet ps3 can't even get a year old port to run not better than the 360 version, but not even at the same quality. DAMN!

Sucks to be a ps3 owner. Especially when the 3 highest rated multi-plat games run much better on the 360

GTA4
Bioshock
Half=Life 2

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Alain Reyes - 443 days 9 hours ago

14.2 - Everyone

Please don't mind etownone. His name is Alain Reyes and he is a 31 year old NJ cop looking for attention.

Don't believe me - then just look me up. He has a lot of pent up anger from an incident that happened a long time ago. It's not his fault he feels the need to troll.

You would too if you put up personals on NJ dating sites.....hahahahaha.

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LarVanian - 443 days 8 hours ago

14.3 - etownone

Just wondering but why do you have a picture of your sister as your avatar?

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silverchode - 443 days 7 hours ago

14.4 -

larvanian, thats what they do down south.
http://i217.photobucket.com...

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etownone - 443 days 5 hours ago

14.5 -

I guess i should feel honored that I have my very own stalker.

And that girl on my avator, is my wife. In other words, she is my #1 hobby unlike the losers on this site that have no life, hide behind the computer, and talk BS.

And for the record, i'm 33.... get it right if you want to be my personal stalker. Oh and my name is prounounced Alan, it's just spelled weird.

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