Developers Starting to Back PS3

Sucks2BU - 442 days 8 hours ago

that PS3 games still go out on DVD. You know I would like to think that they would make use of the extra space. Originally before the PS3 come out I swear they were saying that you would get the film and the game on the same disc and stuff like that. Where are the bonus features.

It's all a joke.

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nieto2 - 442 days 7 hours ago

poor @Sucks2BU

a lot of disagrees and what you're saying it's in fact true. but now i'm gonna get a lot of disagrees for supporting your statement.

the info that it's stored on the blu-ray the majority of the time is uncompress and it takes a lot of space of the disks and that makes the blu-ray 'ALMOST' the same as a DVD.

Why i say that?

first point: some time ago i rented a movie on blu-ray, i think it was the piece of crap of "Alien vs Predator 2" and to my surprise the special features were on a DVD not in the same blu-ray disc a the movie...

second point: a game like resistance that it is only like 8 hours long took like 20 GB of a blu-ray disk? wtf?

third point: Kojima was forced to compress part of the game to fit on one blu-ray disk. come on!!!!! he was using a 50GB blu-ray disk for god sake!!!! the games super short, so short that somebody could beat it on 5 f***** hours! the games has like 6 hours of cut-scenes and that's not that much, one of the advantages of blu-ray was that it has so much space that they could use it to record entire series on HD on a single disk.

Kojima maxed out the blu-ray disk with 6 hours of cinema and 5 of gameplay? that was it took to fill an entire disk of 50GB? what a joke. that's almost half of my HDD! and i have a lot of more stuff on my comp like a lot of anime series, music, big programs like Java, C++, C#, SQL, MS office, ps1 games, dreamcast games, saturn games, etc, and i still have 50 GB left.... 0-0

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dericb11 - 442 days 6 hours ago

People keep saying MGS4 is short. If you remember correctly there are 2 games on the Blu-ray. If they remover MGO i'm sure MSG4 would have been fine but we wanted it on 1 so there.

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na2ru1 - 442 days 6 hours ago

are around 12-15 hrs.

am i not worthy to disagree with u then?

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jmare - 442 days 6 hours ago

Just because you can beat MGS4 in 5 hours doesn't mean the game is short. You can beat Super Mario Bros. in 5 minutes, doesn't that make it shorter? No, it is called a speed run and it is considered a challenge as the only way to get the best time is to play flawlessly. That's what makes the speed run on MGS4 so difficult especially at the harder difficulties, you have to basically run through the areas without being seen at all. The five hour time on MGS4 is a challenge, not a result of normal play through.

Also, Resistance is more like 12 - 15 hours.

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RoidRage - 442 days 6 hours ago

I agree with you. Where are these epic 100hr photorealistic games that blu-ray was supposed to bring? I see ps3 fanboys on here bragging about blu-rays uber 50gb capacity, all while they are doing a 5GB mandatory install to the HDD on a game that looks and runs better on the 360's screaming yeti 12xDVD drive. You have got to laugh when you see the irony. The ps3 is sony's blu-ray movie vehicle, period. If they had chosen to use DVD. They could have launched day, date, and price with the 360. Instead they chose their movie studio's, HDTV's, and home theatre divisions over gamers. It will be a cold day in hell before I validate sony's decisions this generation by buying a ps3.

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Jake1111 - 442 days 6 hours ago

It is only a matter of time that developers start to realize the true power of the Cell. Sony has truly made a future proof system this time. Based on MGSIV, Drakes, RFOM, GT5 etc the system has only started to shine.

Kudos goes to Sony for this amazing machine!!

Jake

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Cenobia - 442 days 5 hours ago

@Sucks2BU & nieto2 - Maybe you should take a few deep breaths and try to think rationally. You are both complaining about bluray saying that games like MGS4 fill it up to easily. Then you turn around and say the games aren't long enough. Can you not see the flaws in your own twisted logic? MGS4 may have filled up a bluray disc, but you seem oblivious to the fact that without bluray MGS4 wouldn't have been possible. Bluray helps deliver QUALITY as well as quantity. High def video, textures, and sound take up space which only bluray can provide.

The truth is the 360 has slammed into a brick wall with the limitations of regular DVD. I have no doubt that multiplatform games could be bigger and better if the 360 had a larger storage medium (plus a mandatory HDD would've helped). I honestly don't understand how people can complain about bluray when it really isn't a problem at all. I'd take an install over multiple discs or slower loading times any day. Besides, as bluray evolves there won't be a need for installs anymore.

@nieto - what games are you talking about exactly? PS3 launch titles? PS3 exclusives look better than xbox exclusives. You can call it bluray, the cell, or whatever you want. All I know is MGS4, Drakes Fortune, R&C, Killzone 2 etc all look gorgeous. If Sony had chosen to launch with DVD none of these games would have been possible. I prefer it when the next generation of consoles take a step forward rather than a step to the side.

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hay - 442 days 4 hours ago

@sucks2bu and nieto2: It's not truth, it's illusion.
Three letters. PS2. It's the same. Most early games would fit on cd and now, does anyone imagine storing data on CD's? Not really. You talk about some crap bluray movie. Look at Blade Runner or Batman. Or watch it on HD display. Played MGS4? I think not. You wouldn't say this BS if you were. Launch it on high quality HD display, through hq cable with hq sound system and you'll be pretty much blown away.

DVD > BD is just the same bullshit as CD > DVD. It's a step forward, if you don't wanna do it, your call but mark my words. You'll love bluray someday the same way you love DVD now. Just some people understood it earlier.

And one more thing. MGS4 can be finished in 3hrs but it's called "speedrun". The game's at least 15hrs during first playthrough with fully dubbed scenes, awesome quality animations and, you know, this game doesn't need prerendered scenes.
Check how fast your favourite games on DVD can be finished but you'll still stand by your opinion denying the truth.

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SuperM - 442 days 4 hours ago

Ehm wtf are you talking about.

blu ray has over 5 times the storage of a dvd... It will always have that. Yes you can compress something heavily on a dvd and have close to the amount of data as you would have uncompressed on a blu ray... but you can compress data on blu ray aswell smartass... Over 5 times as much. But if you compress alot you are gonna have to install. And if a game requires install then it wont work on xbox arcade.

So either way you look at it. Blu ray gives the opportunity to make 5 times bigger games. And the PS3 Hard drive make it possible to make it even larger because you can install on the hd.

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Nineball2112 - 442 days 4 hours ago

Everyone does realize (I hope) that the article is talking ONLY about muli-plat games.

So OF COURSE both versions will be on a DVD. What, you think that for testing purposes of a game, the developer is going to put extra features on the demo in order to utilize a Blu-ray disc?

No, both are the same game, so there is no need for Blu-ray at that point because it is limited by the size of a DVD.

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Lucreto - 442 days 3 hours ago

@RoidRage
"Where are these epic 100hr photorealistic games that blu-ray was supposed to bring?"

The developers haven't the skill set to use it yet. That is what Sony planned to have features what can be used later in the PS3 lifecycle. Just like 4D gaming.

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beoulve - 442 days 3 hours ago

Keep saying Blu-Ray does not have the advantage over DVD. You have to keep saying it. If it doesn't convince anybody else, at least you'll convince yourself. That's what matter, make you sleep at night.

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hay - 442 days 2 hours ago

@RoidRage: You probably realise the difference between possibilities and achievements. Bluray gives a lot more of the first one, but devs can't [the second one] it yet. It's not like Sony's at fault. Developers just cannot afford to make it yet. There are reasons and they not to blame also.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 442 days 2 hours ago

Blu-Ray is just overhyped by Sony. After a certain point, the increases in fidelity is incremental.

I think DVD marked that point. Going from standard definition to high definition you barely notice the difference . Yes, it is there if you look and yes it is sharper, but does it feel like 6 times as great? HD at 1080p has almost 6 times the resolution of a 480p SD. The time The rare times you notice significant difference is when it is on very large screen.

Graphics is important, but only to a certain degree. Meaning unless graphics is groundbreaking, most people don't care. They want good gameplay mechanics and story. With larger size, you get more uncompressed textures that are minimally discernable to most.

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DaTruth - 442 days 1 hour ago

Dude, I would tell you to see your optometrist, but you really should check out an ophthalmologist and a white cane. Your eyes are horrible!!!

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Guwapo77 - 442 days 1 hour ago

You know I would like to think that they would make use of the extra space. Originally before the PS3 come out I swear they were saying that you would get the film and the game on the same disc and stuff like that. - SUCKS2BU

Stranglehold Collector's edition had the game and Hardboiled the movie on the same disk.

It is totally up to the developer as to what they want to do not Sony (unless its Sony's in house devs).

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MRMagoo123 - 441 days 23 hours ago

@1.15-
I think you must be using dvds and not blu-rays because my series 6 samsung 1080p is only 40" and i can tell a huge difference between dvd and blu-ray i dont even get dvds anymore if i can find a blu-ray version and most times i can even with the old movies.After extensive use of the blu-ray format for movies i dont ever want to go back to sd movies i would feel like i was missing out.Some movies arent done as good as they could be but the majority really shine its amazing.One thing i should point out though is that maybe the people that havent noticed a difference should use a good tv thats 1080p ,i used a 760p tv and they looked crap but the now i use a 1080p tv they look 10 times better than dvd.

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gaffyh - 441 days 21 hours ago

@hay (1.9) - that's the most sense I've read in my entire time on N4G. I bet some people said that when we went from Cartridges to CD for the first time aswell.

@nieto2 - MGS4 takes ~17 hours to finish it first time, 5 hours is speed run.

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squallheart - 441 days 16 hours ago

Your right. I bought a Samsung 50 inch TV and blu ray does look amazing with vibrant colors that pop out and incredible detail. Hell I just watched Iron Man and it looks amazing. It just depends on the studio creating the film on how good of a transfer or recording it will come out. Some look amazing some don't. It's the same with games. Multi platform games are going to look the same and not fully utilize a blu ray disc when the same game is being made for a regular dvd. The only real use of blu ray based games is going to bee seen on first party games or games that are meant just for the ps3 system.

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Sucks2BU - 442 days 8 hours ago

I must have missed that. What was there original stance? Are you talking about Left 4 Dead.

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Kratos Spartan - 442 days 8 hours ago

Valve couldn't understand the PS3. And people hate what they don't understand.

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Mr Bun - 442 days 8 hours ago

Not so much Valve as Gabe.

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Kratos Spartan - 442 days 8 hours ago

True, I just couldn't think of his name, it was on the tip of my tongue...bubbles for you

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juuken - 442 days 8 hours ago

From Gabe's standpoint, he argued that Sony should ditch the PS3 and start all over again...which is kind of stupid, considering that Sony put so much effort into the PS3. But, as the sales of the PS3 started increasing and Sony gained more momentum, I guess Valve was forced to face reality.

I don't know about you guys but Sony is doing a MUCH better job than they did last year and it's going to pay off soon from now.

Mr. Bun: I may have to fake a cold or something because the computer labs are busy here in the college. But I get out early so...yeah LBP is gonna receive all of my attention.

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Mr Bun - 442 days 8 hours ago

Are there any PS3 owners that are going to be making it in to work on October 21st? Not me.

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Mr Bun - 442 days 8 hours ago

Gabe is the co-founder so it is still correct to say "Valve" as he clearly has a "ton" (pun intended) of influence with the company.

Bubbles back at ya!

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Why o why - 442 days 7 hours ago

'Gape'

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King Me - 442 days 5 hours ago

http://gameviper.com/ps3/va...

I think this is what Juuken is talking about ^^^

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Kleptic - 442 days 5 hours ago

Gabe Newell had an in depth interview right around the PS3's launch...in which he stated how much he disliked it, and couldn't believe that Sony actually thought developers would put time and effort into a system that required so much parallel processing (which was only just starting to be programmed into video games in 2006)...he also stated how he disliked the 360 too though, which is omitted in most discussions for whatever reason...the lack of a standard HDD in the 360 'doesn't make my life any easier', according to Newell...

recently though, Doug Lombardi of Valve stated that they have nothing 'against' the PS3...but that they horribly unpredicted how popular online console gaming would become...resulting in them being radically behind in terms of console development...they have no dedicated PS3 or 360 development teams...but 360 ports are relatively simple for the engine they are currently using...Source still isn't properly optimized for the PS3, and until then...Valve won't do any PS3 ports in house...

if the PS3 continues with the momentum its been building for the past year, no question Valve will expand further into in house console development...but as of right now, they don't even have a state of the art gaming engine any more...let alone how behind they are with the PS3...

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CyberCam - 442 days 5 hours ago

I own my own business and I'm taking a 2 week holiday starting Oct 21st! I've worked hard all year & need a little "R&R" or should I say "LBP".

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Mr Bun - 442 days 3 hours ago

Check your "PM Inbox"

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jessupj - 441 days 20 hours ago

Well it's a pity for valve then. Call me a fanboy, but I am a very passionate individual. Valve will not be getting a single cent from me because of their childish, immature and arrogant behaviour. If they do ever make a game worthy of my time, I'll be buying it second hand.

Call me a fanboy but I will not support and condone the behaviour of developers such as these.

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light - 442 days 8 hours ago

seems like you like 360. So instead of trying to prove that 360 is better just buy 360 and enjoy!! Or, are you just being fanboy ?

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ArsArcanum - 442 days 8 hours ago

almost all 360 exclusives are on pc anyway...

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Sucks2BU - 442 days 8 hours ago

It was actually a serious question, to which I was hoping for a serious answer. I also thought it was relevant to the article and the conversation (i hoped) we would be having here?

that was really harsh man

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SilentShank - 442 days 8 hours ago

Why do people act so surprised and make a big deal when a once PS exclusive franchise gets announced for the 360? When the 360 started picking up speed after it's launch, I knew this kind of stuff would happen, it's a smart business choice on the developers part, and ultimately inevitable . In most cases, if a developers baby has the ground work already laid out, and it is able to run on the PS3, there is no reason why it shouldn't be on the 360. (Exceptions of course apply to vastly superior PS3 games that are specifically designed for the PS3)

If anyone hasn't guessed, the franchises of yesteryear are now easy money makers, they are almost guaranteed to be made for the broadest audience possible. ... ya know, to make more money!

Lets try to save our flaming when LBP or KZ2 get released on the 360 (hell even the PC for that matter).

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dauden - 442 days 8 hours ago

While MS spends great amounts of money buying franchises that once were exclusive, Sony on the other hand, spends money on making new franchises..

Sony doesn't loose a big amount of money by games going multiplat. The people who already want the games and already own a PS3 will buy it none the less. Of course GTA IV would have moved some PS3's if it had stayed exclusive.

Bottom word is:
While Sony spends time and money on new franchises, MS is buying in to old franchises.

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Final_Rpg - 442 days 8 hours ago

Sony had a lot of franchises that came over to the xbox 360 from the ps2 because they were 3rd party. This was not the case for the Ps3 as the xbox 1 didn't have any/many great franchises from 3rd party developers so there wasn't anything to bring over.

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Opiumunkey - 442 days 8 hours ago

Final Fantasy, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry were all exclusives last gen when the PS2 totally owned the competition. They are coming to both platforms now, because it makes sense for the developers. But how many IPs can you name that startet as exclusives on PS3 and are coming over to 360????

Bioshock was a 360 exclusive and comes to the PS3 now...

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dauden - 442 days 7 hours ago

That shouldn't keep MS and it's first party developers to come up with something new and fresh. Sony is really doing a great job with innovating from scratch and also trying some new directions on old ideas. Even if it costs them. The Team Ico games never really sold a lot of copies, but reviewers and many of the hardcore gamers, as our selves, has those games as our favorites (Atleast I do).

Taking care of the hardcore gamer with games/franchises like that is really important in my opinion. You rarely see 3rd party developers/multi plats doing that.

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cyax - 442 days 7 hours ago

About PS3 exclusives going multiformat and not the other way around. I think it's a blend of system architecture, developer tools and user base. The 360 has a PC-like architecture, great developer tools and had a huge lead in user base (with good attach-rate) before the PS3 price cuts. So game studios probably had it relatively easy grasping the 360 hardware and could smell the money from the Xbox camp.

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Jdoki - 442 days 7 hours ago

I'll probably get a few flames for this, but Sucks2BU I think the answer is because there are so few exclusives on the 360 that are worth Sony trying to grab for the PS3.

The games you list were exclusive only by 'tradition' - DMC, RE and FF etc were never true exclusives because the developers were not 1st or 2nd party.

In the current economic climate most 3rd party devs are going to go multi-plat from now on just to make money (unless they get a fat paycheck from MS/Sony/Nintendo to be exclusive or timed exclusive).

The 360 enjoyed plenty of 3rd party exclusives as it had a year head start and the potential install base of PS3 was going to be in the thousands rather than millions intially, but none of them were really AAA exclusives or 'traditional' Xbox exclusives.

I can name a couple of titles that went 360 to PS3 - like Eternal Sonata and Lost Planet, but the only real AAA title to jump has been BioShock (and that is arguably not a 360 exclusive anyway as it was also on PC).

Microsoft have never had that tradition of exclusivity like the Playstation brand has enjoyed. Any moves from Playstation to Xbox were always going to be bigger news because Sony had so much to lose by titles going multi-plat, and so little to gain from grabbing 360 exclusives.

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AssassinHD - 442 days 6 hours ago

Oblivion, FEAR, Enchanted Arms, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc.

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dauden - 442 days 6 hours ago

Many of those aren't really exclusives to xbox 360 as they're also released on PC. Having a PS3 and high end PC really takes care of more than enough of my gaming needs.

With the limited first party studios of MS, and more developers grasping the technical aspects of the PS3 and Cell, we will see more and more (if not most) third party games going multiplat.

It's good to be a gamer. :)

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Bubble Buddy - 442 days 2 hours ago

"3.5 - It's really simple.
While MS spends great amounts of money buying franchises that once were exclusive, Sony on the other hand, spends money on making new franchises..

Sony doesn't loose a big amount of money by games going multiplat. The people who already want the games and already own a PS3 will buy it none the less. Of course GTA IV would have moved some PS3's if it had stayed exclusive.

Bottom word is:
While Sony spends time and money on new franchises, MS is buying in to old franchises. "

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bubbles+

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SilentShank - 442 days 8 hours ago

I agree whole heartily, because while the Wii is getting shovelware after shovelware, the PS3 and 360 are getting titles that actually have some depth.

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Kratos Spartan - 442 days 8 hours ago

and it should stay there. Ever since Mortal Kombat came out with no blood on SNES, they have had the reputation as a kiddie console company. They tried to prove people wrong with some mature franchises, like Resident Evil, but it just wasn't enough, and now we have the Wii.

Or they have the Wii.
I don't have the Wii.
Do you have the Wii?

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Shane Kim - 442 days 6 hours ago

I don't have the Wii, but I'm planning to get one just for the VCON.

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Bob Dole - 442 days 5 hours ago

Bob Dole will get a Wii when they quit selling out and drop the price (which is never).

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Bubble Buddy - 442 days 2 hours ago

Wii as said before many times, is in a different league of its own. I personally despise the Wii. Only use it at parties. Last game I bought was Super Smash Bros. Brawl. PS3 is gaining steam. My, how the times have changed.

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Sucks2BU - 442 days 8 hours ago

i think this mentality is actually very wide-spread in multi-format gamers. I tend to go the same way.

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Mr Bun - 442 days 8 hours ago

I haven't heard that argument before...about achievements. That is a valid point.

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juuken - 442 days 8 hours ago

You have a point.
Bubbles.

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RAF-TECH - 442 days 8 hours ago

TBH.

I know a lot of dumbfukin fanboys on both 360 and PS3 side.

but really.. no point in backing up a system if the dev's themselves dont back it up.
That's why I have Burnout, it's been patched so i bought it for 19.99 and got half the trophies (the better version too). yet.... I could have bought it for 360, but i just borrowed it.

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juuken - 442 days 8 hours ago

I'm starting to feel the same way RAF. I don't have a lot of multiplatforms myself, except for DMC4 because it's pretty good (not as good as DMC1 and 3 though). I'm only getting a few multiplatforms this year but that's only if they're good games. Otherwise, I'm only buying exclusives for the PS3.

I'm glad developers are starting to come around but it took them too long to realize the PS3's potential.

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caffman - 442 days 7 hours ago

I have 4 PS3 exclusives and 51 xbox 360 games

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ambientFLIER - 441 days 20 hours ago

Same here. Only buying multiplats for the 360, unless it's MUCH better on the PS3.

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Eiffel - 442 days 6 hours ago

This section was mello until you spewed your predictable fanboi bullspit.

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Bob Dole - 442 days 5 hours ago

Hah, Bob Dole likes the way you add MGO in there like it doesn't come with MGS4. Still though, you suck.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 442 days 4 hours ago

Actually you idi0t, i have got the 'Metal Gear:Online' game on it's own to, i.e the Japanese version. So it is a game on it's own to if people want to buy it just for the Online bit.
I like how you xBot Lemmings say 99% of xBox 360 games are 'EXCLUSIVES' but 99% are going on to or are on the P.C!!! ;-D
YOU SUCK WEIRDO!!! ;-D

Another 'Ignore' ;-D

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PoSTedUP - 442 days 4 hours ago

dont you just hate stupid people ; )....

btw here is my.. (dont mean to brag) ; D AWESOME games library : P ; )

Metal Gear Solid4
WipeoutHD
Uncharted
Resistance
Folklore
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
Mlb08 the show
Madden 09
Burnout Paradise
Motorstorm
Ratchet& Clank
Siren:Blood curse
NHL09
Hot Shots Golf
Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
PAIN
high stakes on the vegas strip:poker (best online poker game)
+ im not done buying games!! : D

oh whats this? devs starting to back the ps3? good, its about time... f****** c0ckroaches!

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Bob Dole - 442 days 2 hours ago

Aww it saddens Bob Dole when Douchey McDoucherton iggy's him. Too bad he won't be able to read this cause then he wouldn't realize how much of a douche he is :)

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 441 days 23 hours ago

Of course i HATE them!!! ;-D
That's why i have MILLIONS of them on my 'Ignore' List!!!;)
If i see 1 STUP*D comment i 'Ignore' them!!!

Strip:poker??? You Naughty Dogg!!!;) Oh Vegas Strip!!! ;-D Sorry;)

Yeah that's a AWESOME Games Library that!!!;)
+More cool stuff to come;)

+If anyone wants to see a 'xBox 360' games List just look at a 'P.C' games List!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

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juuken - 442 days 7 hours ago

...How can you sit down there and say nothing is improving?

The PS3 has no games! --> Was said last year. Still being used *this* year but the PS3 is getting more exclusives and multiplatforms under it's belt.

The PS3 is too hard to develop for!--> Was said last year. Developers are starting to turn their heads and are giving it more attention.

Bluray will fail! --> And yet it won the format war.

Sony fans spent their money on a paperweight!---> And yet this paperweight outsold the nearest competition for nearly the entire year.

The PS3 has no rpgs!---> And yet rpgs are coming for the system.

And seriously, do you play games to play games or do you look at a chart consistently for advice on which games to buy? I could have sworn that MGS4 is one of the best games on the PS3. So is Uncharted. So is Heavenly Sword. So is Ninja Gaiden Sigma. So is Resistance. So is Motorstorm.

I'm sorry but...that's kind of stupid to say. I know people are entitled to their opinions but to say that...*shakes head*

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na2ru1 - 442 days 6 hours ago

the PS3 is doing fine. i think the 360 has 900,000 lead in UK. U be the judge on what has better market penetration.

A lot of PS2 owners are still PS2 owners wanting a PS3.. There are many who transfered to the Wii not disagreeing with that.

the are vasts imprvement. COD4 proved urself wrong. Burnout proves u wrong. 40player online, Pixar like graphics(rachet), cinematic games(MGS, Uncharted), 1080p GT5,wipeout and full games on PSN proves you wrong.

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PimpHandStrong - 442 days 6 hours ago

something to remember

RPG's take time to make. The 360 really only started gettting RPG's at the end of its 2nd year on the market! The same will happen with the PS3.....it will get flooded with RPG's soon and will have a ton of them in its 3rd year

its just the way it works! Im not a RPG fan myself so i can care less but i do understand why RPG's are so big with some ppl......depth and hours of gameplay with a story

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juuken - 442 days 5 hours ago

You're right Pimp. RPGS do take a while to make.

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RAF-TECH - 442 days 6 hours ago

hmmm..
tbh..
i never was interested in both psn titles and xbla titles.
I think they are just pocket change.

but if i have to piock best of the best.
it's gonna be...

Dishwasher (XBLA)
Wipeout HD (PSN)

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heyheyhey - 442 days 4 hours ago

wrong, nothing is better than WipEout on the PSN- maaaaaaaaaybe Warhawk matches it, but i doubt it

WipEout is just amazing man

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PimpHandStrong - 442 days 6 hours ago

i played about 40 hours and a friend of mine played about 40 more! So with help i seen most of what that game offered and it was dam good

that was the last RPG i played and the next one is from the same devs

peace

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Bob Dole - 442 days 5 hours ago

FALLOUT 3 Fo' Tha' MUTHAPhuckin WIN Y'ALL!
(had to throw in some lowercase letters to not look like a tard, It bothers Bob Dole when people use all caps)

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Bob Dole - 442 days 5 hours ago

Plus if you throw the disc down the street like a frisbee and let it slide for 35 feet it won't have a scratch on it :)

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RAF-TECH - 442 days 4 hours ago

playing warhawk is like playing with bots. (dumb bots too)
same with resistance.
nobody talks.

The online community for 360 is better. like 98% of the people playing online have a headset.

and the whole "too much kids" on Live is blown out of context.

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Chemical - 442 days 3 hours ago

gotta agree with RAF.

Playing online does feel like i'm playig with bots.
My friends were over lastnight and they told me that it didnt seem like i was playing online. Nobody talks. and I have a bunch of friends too.
It's just that the sony doesnt encourage conversating during matches unlike the 360 which actually provides you with a head-set.

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Bob Dole - 442 days 2 hours ago

Bob Dole bought NBA Street Homecourt for 9.99 at gamestop on clearance and decided to test it on the concrete. It slid for about 15 feet then Bob Dole picked it up and scraped it some more just for good measure. It had a few little scratches but nothing significant. It worked just fine and honestly he hasn't played it since. For multiplat games this is the way to go considering the extremely low durability of DVD discs (even worse than compact discs) and the amount of tards that might/will handle your $60 disc.

That's Bob Dole's BluRay disc scratching story. If you don't believe him, well then To hell wit'cha.

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Bob Dole - 442 days 2 hours ago

Holy god, that's probably the most intelligent/unbiased thing Bob Dole has read in any open zone EVER!

+bubbles to you mang!

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