Reggie: We never said the Wii storage solution is a hard drive

kesvalk - 476 days 13 hours ago

sorry for my lack of information, but what is a BD-RW?

EDIT: already searched in the net...

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sack_boi - 476 days 9 hours ago

it's probably the Holographic data storage I read about some months earlier.... Next-gen Wii is going to own; just imagine what Nintend cn do no, wi pkets as big as theirs!

I heard that microsoft will be using the Larrabe processor on their next-gen system...

I can't wait for E3 2010-2011

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sidar - 476 days 3 hours ago

Sackboy,
To write Holographic data you need a big ass machine.
The tech still needs to be improved.
It's unlikely that we will see it this generation.

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Leathersoup - 475 days 17 hours ago

Nintendo will be selling whiteboards for gamers to write level
passwords on.

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kspraydad - 475 days 17 hours ago

8 Disagree's for a sarcastic remark (meant to be humorous) that didn't make fun of any console...guess people are right when the say the subtleties sarcasm rarely work on the internets.

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unsunghero28 - 476 days 13 hours ago

I concur that it's highly probable Nintendo will begin offering a cloud computing solution.

Not only is such an approach economically and technologically feasible, but it prevents Nintendo from scaring away casual customers.

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zo6_lover27 - 476 days 13 hours ago

But that requires an internet connection, and a pretty dang fast one too. And also, it has to be wireless, which is even more of a problem.

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kesvalk - 476 days 13 hours ago

i don't think this is a sollution for the storage problem, after all, we can redownload the game from shop channel, from my point of view, unless i am really wrong, it's the same thing, you will still need to have a net connection to do it, and it would need to be fast...

isn't it simple to break the limit of the SD card and make it possible that the Wii acess the information directly from it?

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zo6_lover27 - 476 days 12 hours ago

Kesvalk, that is the PERFECT solution.
The wii can recognize up to 2GB cards and that's already 4 times as much than the built in memory, and games only take up a VERY small amount memory

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Jerkapotamus - 476 days 12 hours ago

Yes, unlocking the SD card is the most probable solution in my opinion.

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TruthbeTold - 476 days 12 hours ago

If they do come up with a system where you download a much smaller file for a game, then connect online to play it from their servers then I think that all would be good. If you are downloading games onto your Wii, then you have Wireless internet, or access to it. It would be Win/Win.

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kesvalk - 476 days 11 hours ago

not exactly, the Wiiware and VC games are tied to the Wii they are downloaded on, it can't be shared cuz the codification don't match,and the game can't be played on another console.

so you can't download a game on the SD and play it on your Wii, cuz it will have the code of another Wii.

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philatopus - 475 days 22 hours ago

actually it is possible to download vc/wiiware games, using the wad installer on the homebrew channel.

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GFahim - 476 days 13 hours ago

but they also announce the release date of disaster day of crisis from nowhere!

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TruthbeTold - 476 days 12 hours ago

But that I'm glad about. I feared that that game was dead. Even so, the recent screens of it looked very PS2ish. The gameplay better be off the hook.

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KingDizzi - 476 days 12 hours ago

He does not have to, put a turn on a disc with mario in it and you have 10 million sales guaranteed. Hell there DS good game sold 15 million, Nintendo are just too good at what they do.

If Sony or MS were able to go back in time, no prizes for guessing if they would have made the Wii in stead of the PS3 or 360 respectively....

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mfwahwah - 475 days 22 hours ago

I don't understand why Nintendo want to drag this on and on. Honestly, get a HDD. Pop it into a Wii style case. Sell it. It's the fast, simple, reliable, cheap solution that everyone would go wild for, yet Nintendo just HAS to be innovative. Maybe they should focus on innovation for their next console, and focus on serving their customers with this console.

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kesvalk - 476 days 12 hours ago

really, they can do anything, this generation, if they lose their fans they will have a serious problem in their hands, i don't think sony and MS will stand idle about the casual gaming next-gen, and nintendo will need their fans by their side when the two start to mitigate the casual audience...

and the only way nintendo can do that is to have good IPs on their console, so hardcore fans of the series will buy it too, it's like a cycle: good series come in > fans of the series buy Nintendo console > dev-houses make the sequel in nintendo's next-gen console > fans buy Ninty next-gen console etc,etc,etc...

partially like what happened with MGS. MGS1 in PS1, MGS2 and 3 in PS2, MGS4 in PS3 and MGS fans buying sony cosoles only to play their beloved franchise...

i hope i made some sense, i think i lost myself midway in the comment...

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kesvalk - 476 days 12 hours ago

If the Wii is a Varia Suit i want a Plasma Beam in Mine! gonna kill a Neighbor every time i can't get all 100 purple coins in SMG... XD

anyway if the sollution is steaming the Wiiware and VC games, it will not be better than re-downloading the game, option we already have...

like i said above, i think that breaking the limit of the SD card and giving the Wii acess to it's contents it's the better idea i can think of...

of course they can make a HDD with the nintendo brand put wireless technology in it, and rename it to "Nintendrive", of course some head would fall if they did that...

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

"anyway if the sollution is steaming the Wiiware and VC games, it will not be better than re-downloading the game, option we already have"
Yeah i was thinking the same.
But using the SD slot will make piracy only more attractive.

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kesvalk - 476 days 11 hours ago

they already tried to pirate Wiiware games, but the code used to recgonize the Wii don't let pirates do it, some attempts were made, but they proved to be dangerous to the console, so they were dropped.

damn, last bubble, see ya guys on another topic...

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

"they already tried to pirate Wiiware games, but the code used to recgonize the Wii don't let pirates do it,"

Well they managed allot with the Zelda hack.

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steveg2564 - 476 days 11 hours ago

@sidar
Sorry, I saw your post after I posted, but I do agree with you.

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

actually TruthbeTold was before me...if i look at the time xD

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steveg2564 - 476 days 11 hours ago

You're right. Hot topic. Too many posts to keep up with. :-)

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

How so?
Care to share your argument?

Why did anyone disagree? How can you disagree? WTF?
I'm just curious why he thinks it's a failure.
Holy sh/t reasoning with people is bad these days =/.

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

"cheap software."
= Profits = healthy for the industry.
When a company has more money they can take on bigger projects.

"exactly what are the games that sell on the wii? wii fit? thats not so much of a game, as it is something a fat person would use for self esteem purposes.
"

...A wide variaty of games DO sell on the Wii.
You pretend Wii is a disaster for sales charts.
It's doing better than you actually think, do your research.
Not 50% of Wii games are ports.

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Some_One_Plays - 476 days 10 hours ago

lol, the way you write is unattractive to the eye so many people might not read it. Me being one of them and I thought I write a lot.

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Lithium powered - 475 days 22 hours ago

"of course both the DS and wii are a source of recouping from losses they accumulated through several (N64 and Gamecube)generations heck if it weren't for the gameboy line nintendo as console manufacture would have die right after the gamecube days."

I'm fairly certain that the Nintendo gamecube was making profits of about $30 per console sold; may not sound like much but it was selling in the green (unlike sony and microsoft consoles who sell their consoles at a loss at first and make up their profits via software sales). In fact im fairly certain all nintendo consoles were designed to post a profit.

Here's an excerpt from an article entitled "the Nintendo method" by gameinvestor.com:

"However, what's most remarkable about Nintendo is not its current performance but the consistency of its financial performance over the last decade or so, a period in which its consoles, from generation to generation, have sold in decreasing volumes and it has lost considerable market share to new market entrants. Despite this, Nintendo's financial results have been surprisingly uniform with revenues around the 500 billion Yen mark (£2.2 billion) and operating profits (total profits before taxes and exceptional costs such as losses derived from adverse exchange rate movements) of around 100 billion Yen (£446 million). Net profits have varied a little more widely, largely because of Yen/US Dollar exchange rate movements, but for the most part have remained around the 90 billion Yen mark (£400 million)."

Source: "The Nintendo method" Gameinvestor.com, January 2007
< http://www.gamesinvestor.co...

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Mahr - 476 days 9 hours ago

....What?

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scissor_runner - 476 days 9 hours ago

"There is no future/forwarder thinking as of today. the sloppy joe console of next to gen-not consoles; besides making a new console with the future in mind besides economic based and free spirted people in spending money on "gameplay" / not common sense in Next Gen gaming."

Common sense would tell you to buy a PC or just upgrade your GPU. Consoles have always been fun boxes not wanna be PCs. The PS2 was a fun box that came with a "free" dvd player when every one wanted one.

Not too much about the PS3 or xbox is new territory when you can get most of that stuff needed for gaming on a PC for much cheaper and with a harddrive of your choice.

The funny thing is this sloppy job console is about to have the best 3d control ever with 1:1 control.

The HD gen is old news I'm curious as to what the next refresh is going to be for MS and SONY. I'm more excited for MS offering be cause of rumors pointing to these chips http://www.extremetech.com/...

The only sloppy joes I see are the ones that are coated with sparkling car paint that you call HD gen. Trying to do HD gaming better than what it is mimicking the PC. It does an ok job yet it doesn't really get the job done controller wise and even graphics wise.

So stop acting all elite when the HD gen is just a bad in between for real HD gaming on the PC. Hell SONY and MS can not even support their own systems with system moving software. At this point Dell could get in the console making business. The other two are a joke and no one is laughing. I really hope they get their stuff together and stop listening to the so called hardcore because every one else is not buying their cool aid. Make some fun games and fix your controllers so we can play FPS with out gimped controls and nerfed game play.

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scissor_runner - 476 days 8 hours ago

The only fools of this gen are the ones paying too much for blu ray players and broken systems that charge you for access to online gaming when your already paying an ISP. No one is playing a PS2 unless some thing new comes out on it worth playing. Hell the VC game are way better than PS2 games any way. I mean really it took the DS to get contra right? Hell if any thing I'll be playing a DS and playing DVDs in my PS2 so my DVD player doesn't break. No one really liked the PS brand we just liked the games coming to it yet now it's a dry up waste land.

I mean People are complaining about the Wii not having enough space to save games on, not the PS3 or the xbox 360. They have huge amounts of space for what? Games, movies, demos? Who cares we need space for the Wii. Because we actually like downloading stuff to it we actually will play way more. No one cares about the other systems they have nothing to play so who cares.

When they have some thing to play or worth buying the system then we will talk about those systems in a Wii news post. Other wise we don't care. I'm ready for a PS4 or xbox 720 anyway I mean it would be nice for them to have some benefit rather than trying to mimic PC gaming which I ready play games on.

Another thing is we are not Wii fans we just need a solution for the system we own we don't need to be converted to the church of HD OK.

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SolidSnake93 - 476 days ago

Nice speech lol.

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scissor_runner - 475 days 17 hours ago

to supremacy we are not here to teach just talk the facts.

Yeah nice speech there. The Wii is not selling because of price along. I really hope MS knows this. I could have easily bought 3 xboxes by now instead of buying SLI cards and what not. Seriously it's the software and the controls. MS just doesn't do games it's that simple.

Seriously man the game has changed and you are using old rules from a limited play book. The Xbox arcade has pretty good hardware but it just doesn't have game that make you go wow I really want to play that game on an xbox 360 controller! Really it doesn't and that's the simple reason why even the PS3 is gaining on it.

I mean I don't mind live but it is only superior to people who don't mind being taxed to use what they already have. Yes it has some cool feature for you but really lots of people don't care about those feature if I have to pay for them, when most of those features are standard in PC gaming. Hey but once MS starts getting you guys to pay for some thing just know you'll never get it for free now.

"so i guess you are right on that front they had to go the cheap rout in other to succeed and luckily it all worked out, thanks to some good comments from the media, good pr spins and the whole intentional shortages that they been having couple with the smaller booth that they had when compared to sony's and ms's space at that e3, it got crowded and suddenly nintedo uses that as an advantage. what a joke. lol"

Dude how many people are in your family? The media, PR spin or shortages did not sell the Wii. It was the fact that that thanksgiving every one played one then you had uncles talking about it. Then you had moms happy about it. Then you had even people tired of the fanboi driven fan sites like this one talking about a game system again.

MS tried the shortage thing and it did not work. When the PS3 beat them they blamed it on a shortage. They got burned hard on that one. I mean really I don't buy stuff just because it's cheaper man and like most people I buy stuff because I want it. I mean I guess that's hard for kids to understand but when you have a good $600+ to spend on tech goodies that don't matter when ever you want you start looking for things you want once your play room gets cluttered.

Your whole thing about attach rates is sort of lame because I seriously believe the xbox 360 player simply are buying more because they are willing to blow more money on hyped games that they won't be playing in 1 months time. I mean really UT3 did not sell on the PC simply because no one believed the hype because 2004 sort of sucked. Yet 360 player are hungry for a reason to keep justify the system. Lots have given up on it and moved to the PS3.

Then I come to the truth of the matter. The Wii simply did not have a lot of 3rd party support. Games that would have pushed the Wii's attachment rate where simply not released on the system. It's very similar to the PS2 vs xbox1 scenario. PS2 owners where buying games just because their was more choice. This is a similar reason why the Wii is only slightly behind the xbox 360 when you take out Wii sports and play.

The shovelware you speak of is not that successful because it was made as shovel ware. I have not play carnival games but I hear people saying it's fun. To me Halo was shovel ware along with lots of FPS on the 360... It's a matter of opinion. Sure lots of people bought it yet it still sucks to me. It's nerfed FPS action.

"the real reason behind the 360's attach rates come in, due to xbox live, don't believe check out the numbers, of people playing on xbox everyday, anything from achivment whores to the ocasional oh you got that game than ill get it so can kick your you know what on xbox live. this is also where nintendo fail big time at least sony has something for its gamers in the form of the psn is which is slowly making its strides."

So you just explain why the live network is lame did you not. People are simply buying games because of junk talking. The fact that you can anonymously talk junk to some one makes you guys want to play. Don't people do that in IRC and other IM programs online? I mean I really don't need to know who I'm playing or contact them nintendos match making system works I can beat the hell out of people in brawl, mario kart and even find people just like in live in most of EA games for you know free. I mean that is possible because you know most PC games come with their own network set up for this. Hell even blast works lets you download stuff other people have created. I mean you have live and you are barred from even trading UT3 levels WOW. You pay for that service also ouch! I mean gamers even PS3 owners always talk about this live crap because they where once Live subscribers LOL.

I mean really like sidar said research what you are talking about man. Every thing you speak of sounds like you read it off this sight. We all know this site is mostly wrongs and opinion based. I mean every one tought AOL was a great service too until roadrunner etc. Live almost mirrors that service for gaming. Hey but if that is great for you then great.

MS definitely showed that the industry is growing and way more gullible gamers are out there than before. No one has the money to pay for the media, the tech loss, a internet tax setup as a blessing than MS. We all know that and you bought into it along with lots of other adult gamers that where wet behind the ears to online gaming. If you are a long time gamer then I will mark this brainwashing down to you wanting a change after PS brand and SONY spanked every one so long.

Seriously there is a reason many nintendo fans don't come to this site, it's because Wii sales are spawning more sale by way of word of mouth and actually playing is believing situations. A kiosk for the Wii even does better than a HD kiosk even though hardly any one plays kiosk any more. I mean explain that buy price? Well if the xbox has RROD you could blame that on price.

MS is just the first to fall. They simply don't have the skills necessary to beat nintendo this round. That skill is making games people want to play. If the Wii was so boring not one would even remember it after being sold out for this long. That fad phase does not last for years. I hope HD fans sit back and realize it's not all in the price but it's in the games. Most people don't care if some one thinks they are hardcore so they really don't care about a gamers opinion of them.

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

The idiot (you) just had to type down something without even knowing what the actual Solution will be.

Do you even think? Or can't your brain take that?

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Silogon - 476 days 11 hours ago

Do you, Turnip D*CK? I didn't say anything about the solution; they did moron. I'm going off what they are saying you stupid jerg off. Read the gamer zone you penile explosion in the mouth.

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

"I'm going off what they are saying "
Exactly and calling them idiots only makes you the bigger idiot.
"Nintendo, once again, is out of the loop as always"
So if you where going off because of what they said, then why talk about Nintendo.

And look at all the big words you are using, my my.

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kesvalk - 476 days 11 hours ago

He is Stupid and such, but "penile explosion on the mouth" was one of the funniest things i ever heard in the net.

famboys are amusing...

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sidar - 476 days 11 hours ago

Famboys, Sound like an oxymoron. xD

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scissor_runner - 475 days 16 hours ago

The funny thing sirgon is that we don't care if nintendo trumps the other two we just want a storage solution. I mean trumping a harddrive that I could buy for $49.99 160GB 7200rpm SATAII Hard Drive, 8MB Buffer, 3-Year WD Warranty when MS charges you an extra $100-300 for is not that hard but that isn't what we are expecting.

The simple fact is we don't care about those games that are gigs when games thank are barely a 100 megs get the job done way better and are consider classic.

Another important fact is Fanboys only effect other fanboys that is why their ranks shrink. I remember when shumups guys where all over the place, then the adventure guys , then the fighter and then tourney fighters. 5 posters on this site does not make up the voice of all Wii gamers and convincing us won't do any thing for you because most Wii fans don't have to force this system on top people. They try it and they like it or not then people move on with their life.

Fear doesn't sell systems it just make more people leave your ranks and of course they just end up frustrated with the whole gaming situation when perks become just a justification not and a reason for being excited.

Another thing too fans are not loyal in the first place because if you are a long time nintendo fan then you have nothing to complain about they have always been this way. Hey I keep things simple and you should too until a console makers does certain things I don't even mess with them. I mean the HD guys have abandon a large part of the hardcore with the price and selection of games.

I mean I'm more excited about the games coming to the Wii in the future than the hype driving hits that are coming to the HD systems. I mean it happens all people don't run off hype. I'd rather be addicted to playing games than hearing hype though.

Another thing is no company is evil for gaming. Either they get with the times and understand how to address every one or they die like sega's console biz. Hey it happens all the time SNK, NEC, hell they even had better game makers in house then. Technicly EA with the 3DO.

It's very obvious that MS and SONY are their own worst enemies along with their fanboys that keep them thinking they can win just by make them happy. Even PS fans know they need the casual gamers.

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kesvalk - 476 days 10 hours ago

so, the nintendo software is bad... strange i thought nintendo has fame of producing good games...

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kesvalk - 476 days 8 hours ago

but try to say that to someone that have nothing better to do and attach himself to a piece of plastic and chips...

there is no reason to talk with fanboys...

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sidar - 475 days 21 hours ago

okai just one more!! =D!

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scissor_runner - 473 days 11 hours ago

SONY is cutting prices where? I have a disk base digital camera from those guys that still goes for $600 yet I paid $800 for it LOL. SONY only tech does not go down in price. You can go to best buy right now and my tube tv in the garage is a sony trinitron and it's still goes for the same price LOL if you can find one LOL that TV is like 5 years old! The PS2 is still over a hundred dollars last time I checked. You can forget about a price cut! SONY knows we are tech addicts LOL! Even when MP3s won they still had those high priced MiniDisk players hell I almost got one because it looked cool!

"Both Sony and 360 are making your gaming console into a "universal machine" " You sure about that? The last universal machine was a PC and it's an open platform. I have to ask how many PCs do you need? Their is nothing universal about not being able to upgrade an HD system. CONSOLES are closed systems so their is nothing universal about them. SONY and MS are treating as if they really where dongles to stop piracy. Had SONY made a console they would be enjoying sales closer to the Wii. Yet they needed to make their console universal by putting blu ray in it? Making you pay for harddrive space when I can buy 500 gigs around $100s?

If MS and SONY where game companies then they wouldn't need gimmicks like hard drive space and all of this other crap that we didn't need in our last gen systems. What is wrong with making a console I mean they said this was for gamers right? Well make some thing for gamers then and put blu ray in their for free if we need it so bad.

MS and SONY are doing every thing other than fixing that damn controller or bring out some console games are better yet some arcade games and even better whats up with action adventure games that are not FPS?

Hey sloppy joe is letting you make games for a start up cost some where around $10,000 and Wiiware gives you a nice cut of the profits no pub deals to deal with either. I hope every thing works out with LBP and making money off levels but you'll have to pay to play those levels. So who is going to pay then rate those levels? Which is where I bring up XNA and having to have an account to even beta those games and that's on top of your xbox live price. I've said before LBP is no different than this set up yet maybe slightly cheaper.

Seriously if you like making levels learn some stuff about BSP editors and what not. LBP is a joke compared to what you could be making for free since your employer will be paying you.

The Wii kept development cost down that the best thing they could have done for gaming. I love showing people my 3d HD art but I'd hate to pay for it ouch!

I see where you are coming from yet even you admit some games have caught your eye. LOL I just bought two PC and I'm going to build 4 more soon and one with a quadro plex since we want to try out the cuda stuff more and galeto render(sp?). Man it would be so sweet if the HD console has options for external vid cards.

So as you can see I already have plenty of PC horse power at work and at home so I needed a game machine. Oh yeah if you have not bought a system yet then wait a little. New chips are in bound and the current stuff is going to go for peanuts.

And when you get your PC go get the quake wars game and then get the SDK ok, and while your at it get UT3 and learn how to edit it since it's pretty much on every ones middle ware shelf.

hey it was nice talking to you and I'm sorry you still feel it is a sloppy joe but you seem to be in a tech fetish mode so the Wii just isn't sexy enough to you spec wise. Hey I understand that but after 1 years gaming on a good PC box and making some game are on your own you'll see the light LOL. If you get paid to do this stuff you will see it even faster. More people need to develop for the Wii so that they understand how to create better for a console rather than for a PC.

Seriously some of my first models where xmen guys and they are fully animated, hell i didn't even put those in my portfolio, the potential of HD graphics is unbound on the PC side and yet it could have been even better if we had more ram and better GPUs but none of that fixes game play not even the UT engine.

I'm really missing skill based game play on the HD systems. Some upgrades need to happen for me to take those guys serious.

I have to ask you have you ever tried to play sin and punishment or some of the old 16-32bit 2d games? Or even some of the arcade games here.
http://hg101.classicgaming....

If you don't know about or do even like half of those games on that list then your basically a PC gamer that wants a console like PC. Which is worst than any sloppy joe.

We don't really need a universal console we just need some thing to play games like the ones on the link above even if it is a virtual console. Before you say you can emulate most of those games just know you can't most of them are not true emulations and then again you can't even find roms for most of them. Yet if you can play these games you need to do that just so you can understand why I have a PC and a real console rather than buying a console trying to be a PC.

I wish I could say their was a game I wanted on the HD consoles but their isn't and if their was I got it on PC. No I'm not a metal gear fan or a FF fan but I'm curious to see the crystal engine in action from a development stand point to see how far they have or we have to catch up.

Next gen is going to be fun though. Intel has a new chip that sounds a lot like powerVR and with all this core duo money they could make a sweet deal for some one. That is our new cell chip and it could be cheap enough to be in a $250 system/console. Some people worry about BW compatibility but Intel designs mother boards also. I'm with you I think we both will get more of what we want next gen rather than this gen.

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