Why The Xbox 360 Was Forced To Launch First

Elven6 - 479 days 23 hours ago

By crappy I assume you mean faulty and if you do then you are correct! Although it seem's like the new Xbox 360s really don't suffer from that problem.

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HipHopGamerShowFan - 479 days 23 hours ago

They still do Elven6

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DJ - 479 days 23 hours ago

To a current figure of 8~10%, but it's still early in the console's life cycle and there's no telling how many Xbox 360s will ultimately suffer from hardware failure. Also, that's a much higher failure rate than what the PS3 and Wii have, which is less than 1%.

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power of Green - 479 days 22 hours ago

Well atleast they got the hardware choices right despite over looking a design issue, considering coming up with superior hardware in hurry ;)

I'm still mad at you for spearing Frodo, good thing he had that armor on.

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silverchode - 479 days 22 hours ago

the 360 is so superior that it has a 16% of breaking down. All hail the 360. :)

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power of Green - 479 days 21 hours ago

MSFT wanted to get a head start due to PlayStations smothering hype, and in the effort of trying to get an edge the superior hardware of the 360 caused more heat then expected. The 360 is much more capable and they did not know it would warp the motherboard. lol

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solidsnakus - 479 days 21 hours ago

wow...just wow. hiphopgamer youve reached a new low with that comment. you try and hide that your not a sony fanboy and now you say this behind your fake screenname. im never watching your show again , and next time you post your show... reported as spam

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AuToFiRE - 479 days 21 hours ago

Still. there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to ship faulty hardware

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solidsnakus - 479 days 21 hours ago

well apparently you werent an early ps2 adopter cause the dvd drive in that was pretty faulty.

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AuToFiRE - 479 days 21 hours ago

actually i was, but the first one went to the RCMP for modchipping for obvious reasons so i never really had time to cause the read error. the second ps2 i gave away after i got the slimline

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morganfell - 479 days 20 hours ago

...and the xbox 1 dvd drive was a piece of crap also wannbee snake. Thompson Drive anyone?

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Sitdown - 479 days 20 hours ago

Wow...you should really get another hobby.....especially if you did not cut and past all that.

"It had no support for modern movies like BluRay like the PS2 and Xbox had for DVD " This comment alone is sort of poor...Microsoft gets bashed because it made the choice not to jump into a format war with equipment that was untested?

"So after 7 years in the market and 7 billion dollars wasted, Microsoft" Hmmmm, so its not unusual for companies to lose tons of upstart money in order to get their foot in the door?

All companies make mistakes......lets just hope that Microsoft continues to learn from their errors.

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Pr3-M3d_G4M3R - 479 days 19 hours ago

Give it up. No one forced them to do anything it was out of greed they released first because they wanted all the next-gen fans to buy their system first. It's a failure now they have scapegoat number 4,000,002 as to why their system is a POS. Take responsibility for your action MS you pushed the system to be released because you didnt care about down the road

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waltercross - 479 days 16 hours ago

@solidsnakus

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Sony fixed the PS2 issue in a hurry, but
either way just because sony did it
doesn't mean MS has to.

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power of Competence - 479 days 12 hours ago

poG,

Can you pass the bong over? That must be some pretty potent stuff to make someone that ignorant. It's almost like you take pride in continually proving yourself to be an idiot.

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Nineball2112 - 479 days 3 hours ago

"the superior hardware of the 360 caused more heat then expected."

That's quite an ironic statement. So, the superior hardware was faulty... mmmm,kay.

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MNicholas - 479 days 2 hours ago

YTD 2008 sales:

PS3: 6M
360: 4.5M

Projected 2008 year end sales:

PS3: 10M
360: 6.7M

Factors that can change these numbers:

-price drop
-significant change in features
-key software releases
-economic or other factors that affect consumer spending

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DaKid - 479 days 23 hours ago

Have you summitted 3 articles that have been approved yet? If not you have to do that first before you get the right to approve.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 479 days 22 hours ago

Agreed.

Anyway, I love the 360, never had a problem, I get all the games I want and a great online service. I could care less why they were forced to launch early. The 360 has been filling all my gaming needs.

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Elven6 - 479 days 21 hours ago

Did you even read the article? Two of the options were really never brought up before.

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DJ - 479 days 23 hours ago

The Pro SKU was $399, and Core SKU was $299.

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DJ - 479 days 22 hours ago

Ok, the Core SKU was $12.95 and the Pro SKU was "100 Billion Dollars!"

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Tacki - 479 days 15 hours ago

EDIT: Sorry :/

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GiantEnemyCrab - 479 days 22 hours ago

Love them RPG's and the 360 has the most!

Definately the best system for quality games selection.

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jmare - 479 days 21 hours ago

And all of that is due to MS releasing the 360 a year earlier. It's kind of sad that your messiah console was outsold by a device most people on this site don't even consider a next-gen console. The better graphics and games argument is also due to being out a year early and same with the RPGs. Game companies exist to make money not satisfy fanboy delusions. So, basically the only advantage the 360 had was a headstart which is slowly becoming it's biggest liability.

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Jenzo - 479 days 21 hours ago

How come the PS3 hasn't caught up yet? Doesn't that make it even worse than the 360? What's the excuse?

Is 2009 the new year when the PS3 will miraculously fly past the competition? History tells another story. Fanboys have been preaching that bs since 2006 and it has not happened yet. First it was 2007, nothing. Then 2008, still a 5 million gap. Not even with all that Sony brand recognition, console history and loyal fanbase in the back are they able to place ahead of the faulty hardware that is the 360. Let's bet on 2009 then, shall we?

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jmare - 479 days 20 hours ago

Kind of touchy, aren't you?

I didn't mention the PS3 at all. I was merely commenting on the the statements above. The PS3 is doing fine in my opinion and as long as decent games keep coming I really don't care too much about what Sony does, or any other company for that matter. The 2 consoles I own are enough for what I need.

My point being that, in response the the posts above, that they are cheering over a head start. When the score is 9 million to 0, it takes a while to catch up (for Sony). And history shows the Wii flying by both the 360 and the PS3; so what was your point about history?

While I have my console preferences, I am not one of those delusional fanboy douches that run around screaming about "2008: the year of the playstation 3". I don't do that. I prefer to argue and debate in a civil manner.

I'll bet you can't break away from your 360 rhetoric and give an actual intelligent response to my original comment.

And lastly, the 5 million gap, is only in America. I hate to break it to you, there is a world outside the U.S. Have a nice day.

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leyego - 479 days 20 hours ago

Loyal fanbase my a$$. the average buyer doesn't give a sh!t about console brand, only fanboys do.

the average buyer looks for ONE THING ONLY, what system has the god damn games? but not just any games, thier favourite games. if u have those games u win.
most of my friends with ps2's havent bought any next gen consoles yet cuz the games arnt here. first console to release them is the console that will win.

p.s. MS did a bad move releasing its games on both windows and xbox. since i can pretty much get the best selling games for the 360 on pc theres no point in buying a 360 atm. they should have made them exclusive to xbox only.

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cmrbe - 479 days 19 hours ago

two things.

1. Game selection

2. Affordable price point.

As soon as the majority of PS franchise arrive on the PS3 as well as a more afforadble price point is achieve for the PS3. You will see the PS3 truly flex its muscle.

Remember that the PS3 has closed the gap by 5 million already while at 400 minmum (PS2 launch price of 299 btw) with only RC and MGS being the only true PS exclusive franchise that have arrived sofar. Alot more PS2 owners are waiting for either the price to go down or for their fav franchise to arrive like GT,GOW,Socom,Jak,ICO etc to arrive before they buy a PS3.

The fact that the x360 is almost 3 years old with a more affordable price point and more AAA titles according to game ranking sites suggest to me that the 100 million strong PS2 fanbase are waiting for the right time to buy their PS3. When that happens. Expect the PS3 to fly pass competition.

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Tacki - 479 days 15 hours ago

"How come the PS3 hasn't caught up yet? Doesn't that make it even worse than the 360? What's the excuse?"

Well, these things take time. One shouldn't expect the PS3 to surpass the 360, a console established a year earlier, over night. Even within one YEAR after the PS3's launch would be banking on astronimical sales considering Microsoft had success getting 360's in homes before Sony even arrived on the next-gen scene.

You could say, "But the Wii's already passed everyone." That's true... but the Wii was able to tap into a completely different market... on top of being inexpensive. I believe the PS3 and the 360 are competing for the same market (mostly). At least I'd say their markets are much closer to one another than the Wii's. Now for those who support the Wii, please don't take it like I'm saying there are NO harcore Wii/Nintendo fans. I'm simply saying that so far Nintendo's managed to reach the widest audience. In many cases it's created its very own.

Sony has done well to cut into Microsoft's lead though. I'm not just saying "OMG PS3z RoXzOrzs heHE!" but they done well to minimize the gap that once stood at around 10 million (now a little under 5). And over the past year they've been able to they've been able to hold the #2 spot in hardware sales (behind the Wii of course) in the big 3 territories (North America, Europe, Japan). All while being the most expensive console out. Not to mention they've managed to keep their previous console alive and have a handheld doing well for them. That must indicate that they're doing SOMETHING right. And it can't just be people looking into getting a cheap Bluray player because we've seen the software sales increase significantly. Is it selling more software than Microsoft yet? No, it's not. But it has steadily been gaining ground despite the fact that we still haven't seen a TON of big exclusives released for it. Fall will be the biggest battle ground I think with Sony and Microsoft's 'big guns' coming out. We'll just have to see what happens there.

"Is 2009 the new year when the PS3 will miraculously fly past the competition? History tells another story."

History can tell many stories and it's not always a way to look into the future. It depends what you look at. You can take a gander at history and see that many consoles open up to a slow start. You can look back and see that Sony was able to establish the PS2 as the best selling console of all time. So depending on what part of the past you look on... it can bode well or not so well. You can go back to the begginning of each console and say "PS3 had no games" and "360 had RROD" but I believe the past isn't as relevent as some make it to be. At least in certain situations.

I personally believe the PS3 will surpass the Xbox 360 in total worldwide sales for its lifetime after awhile (hard to say exactly when) and perhaps overtake the 360's install base in America as well... though the latter may take longer. I don't think that the 360 is a bad console at all. I have one for the games I'll never see on my PS3 and it's a good gaming machine in my opinion. Even if I do prefer the PS3. This is just what a I believe will happen. Not saying it's guaranteed. But it's my take on the whole thing.

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MNicholas - 479 days ago

2008 Sales(Jan - Aug)

PS3: 6.0M
360: 4.5M

Consumer research suggests that the PS3's stronger first party and exclusive franchises, broader consumer appeal, and richer feature-set as a multimedia device have spurred 2008 sales to a consistent 33% average month over month delta in sales relative to the 360.

Based on these numbers it's estimated that the PS3 will have outsold the 360 by 3M in 2008. If trend of increasing sales disparity in favor of the PS3 continues in 2009 the PS3 will match and possibly exceed the 360's installed base within 13-16 months.

Factors that can alter these ongoing trends:

-price drop
-significant change in features
-key software releases
-economic or other factors that affect consumer spending

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PS3n360 - 479 days 22 hours ago

Up here at launch the prices were $500 and $400.

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waltercross - 479 days 16 hours ago

the author was canadian.

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DJ - 479 days 22 hours ago

Except for Market Share. They definitely haven't achieved the goals that they set out for.

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cmrbe - 479 days 21 hours ago

MS did it to get markethsare but it didn't work as Scratchmark said. It would be lucky for MS to get to 35 million x360 this gen when its over.

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MNicholas - 479 days ago

was the goal. They also hoped that multi-player games would drive sales organically as friends of 360 owners would buy 360s to be able to play with their friend. Sadly for Microsoft, their focus on the bottom-line caused them to put up the one biggest obstacle to this organic growth in the form of exorbitant subscription fees for online multi-player play.

By not allowing online play to be free, Microsoft stunted it's own growth and allowed the PS3 to establish itself in terms of sales. This also allowed Sony to develop it's own online service to such an extent that it's not only free but offers arguably better features.

Microsoft's other miscalculations that can be attributed to a short-term focus on profit were to charge extra for features that they already knew would be included with the PS3 hardware such as hard-drive, wifi and Blu-Ray.

Microsoft had a full 12 months with no competition to shape the market to their liking and they failed to do so because of their mistaken (some would say arrogant) assumption that they would not have to "throw a bone" to the consumer. In the mean time, the Wii and PS3, which are complete online capable consoles out of the box and require no additional costly hardware accessories to perform all advertised functions, have taken over the market.

If there's one lesson to take away is that nickel-and-dime pricing with required accessories does not work in the game console market. By shooting for a low $299 price-point they sold a non-fuctional product (360 Core) that required hundreds of dollars in additional accessory purchases ($100 HDD, $100 Wifi, $50/yr Online, $200 HD-DVD) to actually perform all advertised functions. They alienated consumers with the original xbox by requiring a remote control accessory for DVD playback when the PS2 played DVD's out-of-the-box with the PS2 DVD remote being nothing more than an optional purchase for convenience. It seems Microsoft did not learn this vital lesson. The reality is that the console market is not tolerant of required accessories. The history of game consoles is littered with such failures.

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ThaGeNeCySt - 479 days 22 hours ago

I doubt PS3 would be on the rocks right now... considering Microsoft's 25mil install base vs. Sony's 100 mill PSx and 150 mill (and rising) PS2 install base.

With those parts, we're looking at an expensive machine that no one would buy...

Sony has brand recognition on it's side (which is why they were able to sell as much as they did even with that much of a high price point)

Microsoft have nothing and are fighting for any scrap they can get (though it seems they are getting tired of fighting as of late lol)

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morganfell - 479 days 21 hours ago

Microsoft's number one marketing comment prior to the launch of the 360 was, "We will win the next generation by getting to the market first." That was the cornerstone of their plan. Even after launch they beat that drum continuously about how they would use this planned advantage. Now it is back firing.

First it began to back fire in evidence through a poorly constructed and tested console. Then it began to also back fire by demonstrating the electronic equivalent of progeria. Or Methuselah Syndrome if you are into Bladerunner.

What about saying we will win by having the best gaming experience? That wasn't the thrust of their comments.

Bellyaching that Nvidia is at fault for the way MS dropped Xbox owners is one of the most outlandish accounts of a move in the blame shift game to date. It requires Level III retardation (Severe) to buy into such a claim.

Sony said, "Go ahead and launch first. We will take our time. There may be delays. But we will bring next generation gaming built on future proofed superior technology and that is how we will win."

No one forced MS to launch. If you want to run with the big dogs you have to learn to piss in the tall grass. Otherwise, stay on the porch. At least one thing MS has failed to possess is vision, or at least a vision that lasts more than a couple of years. Look at Sony. Their PS2 is approaching a decade in age an still outsold the 360 on occasion in the US this year.

The PS3 will be around a long time. It was built to last. If the forerunner in the next console sequence is MS they had better be careful. With no next gen player and digital downloads not really realistic even 3 years from now, MS is in trouble. What are they going to do? License Bluray technology and pay Sony (and several other companies) for every player in every Xbox 720? The PS3 will be very relevant in 2-3 years. Are MS going to talk up the advantage of Bluray while the PS3 is running strong?

Timing is everything and the timing by MS was bad. It definitely cost them the format war and in the end it will cost them 1st and 2nd place in the console war.

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Mr Bot - 479 days 19 hours ago

MS launched the 360 so we(the bots) will have 1 year to laugh at u driods hahah ahahaha, since we were about to comment a mass suicide because of the failure of the xbox!

Mr Bot

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Pain - 479 days 17 hours ago

Rushed yes. M$ is greedy .

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pixelsword - 479 days 15 hours ago

...I think if Microsoft launched a little later with a built-in HD-DVD drive that it would've been much more competitive with the PS3 today, and every cross-compatible game would've been much bigger and better. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray read speeds are also comparable. I still think that the 360 would be losing today, but only because the 360's problems were engineering-related; adding the HD-DVD wasn't going to save them there.

For example: in GTA IV, if you can fit one city on one DVD, and HD-DVD could hold several times more, GTA IV could've been several times bigger. THAT'S why everyone was hyped-up about Eight Days, because Eight Days was going to take place over eight days, covering eight REAL-sized cities from New York to Dallas to Los Angles... That's (almost) the power the 360 could've had if MS was not so hasty.

THAT would've been great for us gamers and for us PS3 owners too, as now we have multiplatform games that could be much bigger if they weren't formed to fit on a single DVD.

The great thing is that because they didn't, the Format wars was shut-down early.

:D

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morganfell - 479 days 12 hours ago

Well pixel I would agree with you about the games being bigger but I can't support anything that allows MS to stay alive any longer. They have consistently made the wrong choices and as long as they have a sayso they will keep making those bad choices and dragging down the industry.

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foodbox - 479 days ago

Ha. You're talking out your arse, as is the author.

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Mr Bun - 479 days 23 hours ago

But when you lose $4billion on a console, you want to get every advantage you can.

Bubbles!

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juuken - 479 days 23 hours ago

Exactly.

I had some hopes for the 360, don't get me wrong. I wanted a next-gen console because I had a PS1 and a PS2 like forever. I did enough research before I bought a console. My uncle suggested that I buy the 360 because it was cheaper. I was going to get it first and then the PS3 later when it dropped in price but hearing about those people and the RROD, scratched disks, receiving the same broken console...I said 'hell no'.

That's why I got the PS3 first.

And whoever disagrees is a freakin' idiot. If Microsoft wanted to appeal to the masses with their second console, they should have been more careful than this.

There is *no* excuse for a failure rate that's more than 10%. Someone should have stepped in and force Microsoft to recall the 360's before it was too late.

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DavidMacDougall - 479 days 22 hours ago

Microsoft are a joke 30% is shocking Thats why im sony for life !

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Kratos Spartan - 479 days 22 hours ago

Just how in the hell did Micro escape lawsuits and recalls? Didn't I just see an article on here that Apple is getting a class action lawsuit for faulty iphones? Do Companies not recall faulty products before lawsuits come into play? Someone, anyone please say something if you know.

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FelicityOldGamer - 479 days 20 hours ago

you´re right in everything!

Bubbles!

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pixelsword - 479 days 14 hours ago

1. Microsoft "settled" it themselves when they made the repair program; not that you have to accept it, but if you're willing to tolerate it no one's going to really try to sue them because they can now argue that since it's known, and since they have a program to resolve it, (I think) you will have limited rights in court.

2. Look into the laws being passed in the US... Bush gave corporations the ability to not be sued in some situations, even if the corporation knew it put out garbage. READ THIS to understand why corporations Like Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, or whomever (You'll know why I said "whomever" after you read the article) can "hype" up a console nowhere near it's abilities, tell you that they're failure rate is only 3% when it's 33%, and sell you the moon but only deliver a rock.

http://www.hightowerlowdown...

They list it in the article as a clerical error, but I don't see Republicans (and hardly and Democrats) scrambling to correct this error.

ONE thing I'm kind of glad about is that looking at the 2005 Killzone trailer and then the actual game, I don't think at this time that Sony was lying... which is good for both us as gamers and them as console manufacturers.

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Kleptic - 479 days 18 hours ago

while I wouldn't have worded it that way...it is surprisingly true...the 360 would have had zero chance had it launched with the PS3...it wouldn't even be a discussion anymore...

however, MS only 'rushed' the 360 to release simultaneously with the PS3...Sony started penning out the PS3 around the time the original Xbox launched (as well as the GC)...yet sony slipped on their own, which ultimately lead to the PS3 being delayed by a year in some territoires, and 1.5 nearly in Europe...

I think MS's market strategy is a clear sign of this as well...its is extremely clear that they did not expect to get a decent jump on the PS3 so much...a few uncontrollable factors on MS's part resulted in it being arguably the system to own for a lot of the PS3's launch year...that is further justified by the fact that MS is simply squandering that entire lead almost completely...they are simply not aware of how to handle this market condition, or present themselves as a true global brand this generation...

They originally claimed that they were taking a very slow and long approach to gain market position in this industry...in 2005 claiming to 'chip away at Sony for a generation or two, and to take control of it in a decade or so'...they understood that no one was going to walk in and just take Sony's market away (which they ended up doing WAY better than they had every hoped for this gen)...but its now on the backside of that slope...they have not invested internally seemingly at all...with MGS still being less than a 1/4th the size of SCE...which translates into way more 3rd party reliance...directly effecting how most of this generation MS's only big announcments were 360 owners getting to share a PS3 game...

SCE on the other hand has the internal network to pump out HUGE games every quarter...with an onslaught of 6 massive exclusive titles coming throughout the fall into early next year...not to mention the 100 million dollar Home set to be open in October...MS has absolutely no counter for that...

They have failed to slow Sony at all this generation, despite what fell directly into their lap...Nintendo outsmarted both arguably, and the PS3 vs. the Wii will easily be big battle over the next few years...the 360's support even in its own territory is drying up faster than anticipated, and its already a cap-sized boat everywhere else...

I can almost guarantee that MS will ride out the rest of this generation with the major announcements being them acquiring some big name developers to partner fully with MGS...all of which will not be relevant until next generation...

seriously...look at the facts...Sony is set to recieve some of its biggest games and features this year and into next...yet it still has achieved nearly 65% of the 360's installed base in just 1.5 years...its consistantly outselling the 360...everywhere...even before some of its biggest stuff even arrives...that clearly shows just what kind of trouble the 360 really is in...

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juuken - 479 days 22 hours ago

Fact: The PS3 outsold the 360 for months already. Therefore, your statement is inaccurate.

Fact: The PS3 is a very reliable console. The failure rate is between 1-3%.

Fact: The PS3 is gaining momentum.

Fact: You had no problem with Sony being bashed and now you cry wolf over articles talking about the 360.

Fact: This article wasn't exactly bashing the 360.

Fact: You did not read the article.

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Steven Colbert - 479 days 22 hours ago

Bon Scott sucks.Everyone knows that Brian Johnson is a better singer.

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juuken - 479 days 22 hours ago

Fact: Your comment reeks of immaturity.

Fact: You're an idiot.

Fact: Disagreeing does not help your case.

Fact: You're still an idiot.

GiantEnemyCrab:Just because your 360 works, does not mean the 360 never had a failure rate. Stop excusing the failure rate just because you were lucky to have a working console. Try telling the people who had those problems that your 360 works fine. I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem beating you over the head with a 360.

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Kratos Spartan - 479 days 22 hours ago

comparing eggs and omelets to faulty hardware wasn't the smartest move. Try leaving your "launch 360" on for a week straight and then come back and tell us the bad news;)

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GiantEnemyCrab - 479 days 22 hours ago

Done it. I've left my launch 360 own for a week (by accident) and it works just fine and still works fine.

No problems.

EDIT: Disagree all you want it's a fact! Sorry to ruin your agenda.

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Kratos Spartan - 479 days 22 hours ago

I wanted bon scott to reply so I can make fun of him some more. Gotta have my fun! Anyway congrats on a week straight with no problems;D You must've been sweating bullets that week;)

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PoSTedUP - 479 days 21 hours ago

your comment DOES reek of immaturity bon scott. go play with your toys XD

yea juuken, aren't you glad you bought a "POS3"!? XD, i know i am! : P

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GiantEnemyCrab - 479 days 22 hours ago

Wtf are you talking about payback?

Payback for what?

I'm sick of this "pity the ps3 dipshits because their poor wittle console was bashed for the first 6 months on the market".

Well what do you think Xbox1 owners were having to deal with for the whole generation?

The first 6 months of PS3 bashing was nothing, they got off easy and now they are more mental then ever.

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silverchode - 479 days 22 hours ago

crabs poor wittle console is getting bashed awwww. have a cookie.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_c8jqK...

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Kleptic - 479 days 18 hours ago

last generation was totally different...and MS wasn't exactly humble about their intentions in the gaming market...

the fact is...Sony came into the hardware side of the industry, and within one generation broke records left and right...the PS1 was THE system to own, without question...the PS2 followed suit, and ended up topping its older brother altogether...the HaloBox was nothing more than that...yet MS made it sound like they would turn console gaming into a PC market in which they had total control over everything...when all they really did well was showed how great online could be with a console...

Sony has crushed competition overall since the very first playstation...they simultaneously drove Sega out of the market entirely last gen, while securely holding MS and Nintendo's faces in the sand...they won't do that at all with this gen of handhelds...but they sure as hell are not going to lose this battle with MS...

its human nature to be intrigued by change...the media was mostly holding the key to how this generation would play out early on...at least in terms of what fans of the industry have access to (as more and more casual gamers buy systems, the more and more moot the media's control becomes...those people don't go to those sites or read the mags in the first place)...you can't argue why it would be fun to see Sony crash from the top of a mountain of domination just in a few years...however the problem was that it was never happening...MS gets onboard a campaign of getting let off the hook easy, while sony is cast out in every direction for the smallest of problems..."its too expensive...it has no game...no one wants BD", etc....

with all that was said...one thing stands...Sony and the PS3 have dominated the 360 so far this gen globally...the 360 may have had more games early on in the PS3's life...the 360 may have had a price advantage still...yet the PS3's installed base is now nearly 65% of the 360's, in half the time it took the 360 to get there...thats the clearest indication of all for the rest of this generation...MS had their chance with the 360, and squandered it entirely...

but that doesn't mean the PS3 will dominate this generation at all...it will clearly beat the 360 when all is said and done without breaking a sweat...but the Wii is some sort of anomaly that no one planned on (not even Nintendo..."what if we told you you already have been playing the Wii online?"...yeah, they have no idea why that thing is selling)...Can Sony come out on top of it by the end of this generation?...possibly, but the chances of it wrecking the wii entirely are slim...to none...

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saf100792 - 479 days 7 hours ago

@giantenemycrab

dude face it, the XBOX sucked and i had one

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Kratos Spartan - 479 days 22 hours ago

8 days huh? one more day than crab, right? An accident also? Man surely you can do better than that? You have one more bubble. Come up with something better than that HUGE lie you just told;)

Shame on you!

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Stickguy259 - 479 days 19 hours ago

I never left mine on for over a week, but I have left it on for 4 days. I left for Labor Day weekend last year, and forgot that I had left on my 360 to download a demo the night before. I came back and it was on.

Still no problems though.

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waltercross - 479 days 14 hours ago

"TO ALL NEWCOMERS ON N4G.
THIS DUMP OF A SITE IS CONTROLLED BY PS3 SOFTWARE LACKING BORED SONY NAZIS WITH MANY ACCOUNTS.....FACT."

reported as offensive.

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Stickguy259 - 479 days 13 hours ago

Someone disagreed with me.

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xboxlover - 479 days 5 hours ago

Thank god for Blu RAy in Sonys case.
You imbeciles know that's a major contributor to what sales you have had already LOL.

Microsoft depends on GAMES......not a stinkin movie format to help
it survive.

I haven't read more true words on this site since I started to come visit it. Also have a bubble.

Also for all the dumba*s' who are talking about the fact the the 360 shuts off after a few hours, YOU HAVE TO TURN IT ON A*S HOLES!!

PWNED

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nsky171 - 479 days 17 hours ago

what a bad parent you are.

if you are a normal parent that knows nothing of gaming you shouldn't be getting your kid a console without doing a little research. Any responsible parent will do a quick research before getting something they have no knowledge of for their 7-8 year old kid.

What games do xbox 360 have for 7-8year kids? not much, that's for sure. What game will they be playing?

And if it's about cost, the parents will more than likely to get Ps2 since it's the cheapest with the most games. Or a Wii since it's the HOTS, and it does have lots of games that a 7-8year old will enjoy. Also Sony Playstation and Nintendo branding should have some impact on a Parent that knows nothing of gaming, they would have heard of Sony or specially Nintendo.

PS2 are still selling great, and most of those sales are parents buying it for their kids.

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saf100792 - 479 days 6 hours ago

dude, you completely skipped the wii, you know the gaming console aimed at kids

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silverchode - 479 days 22 hours ago

pc>ps3>xbox360.

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juuken - 479 days 21 hours ago

D-D-D-DAMAGE CONTROL!

"The Ja$$es of SDF (juuken and her sad lovers) are waiting for home, KZ2, LBP, since 2 years. I guess cobwebs hv grown in her nether region by now."

Lmfao, you poor misinformed bot.

Home- Coming out *this* year.

Killzone 2: February 2009.

LBP: October 21st, 2008.

And what happened to Alan Wait may I ask? What happened to Microsoft's 2009 lineup? Did it just go kaboom or something?

What happened to IPTV?

Man, you are laughable.

Microsoft Defense Force, activate!

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