Why Sony Will Be the Biggest Loser this Gen

sidar - 526 days 19 hours ago

I think the people disagree because PC's are going real hard....but thats just my 1.8 cents....

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Lifendz - 526 days 19 hours ago

They just outsold their direct competitor by a huge margin last month. The Wii is a novelty and I mean that because people are buying it and nothing else for it. They just want Wii sports. PS3 is picking up. Last year MS was ahead by what, 10 million units? Now it's only 5. Next year it could be dead even.

And don't forget that PS3 is the MOST expensive option. Does BMW sell as many cars as Ford? No. But that doesn't mean the BMW isn't a quality car (far from it).

I don't even bother to read these articles because they're usually written by someone who's uninformed about the gaming industry or just a blogger looking to throw some fuel on the flame war.

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Panthers - 526 days 19 hours ago

That is what I'm telling you. It is an equally powerful gamecube.

So far it has yet to put out a game that is better than any gamecube game.

BTW, I agreed with you.

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Lifendz - 526 days 19 hours ago

there was an event ( I wanna say E3) where Nintendo had Gamecubes running Wii games. Gamecubes! C'mon! That's just friggin crazy to me.

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zane_7849 - 526 days 19 hours ago

hahahahahahaha.... what a hilarious satirical send up of a person who has no clue what they are talking about pretending to be an expert. The random assumptions, the ridiculous pie charts, the leading rhetorical questions.

What? Not a joke? Oh then hit report at the top of the page this isn't news...

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decapitator - 526 days 19 hours ago

Nothing new here, just another day on N4G. Am outtie.

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PooPooPlatter - 526 days 19 hours ago

"Now it's only 5"

Actually the difference is closer to 4 as people will see when Sony releases their quarterly shipment figures in a week or so.

5 million is the fantasy vgchartz numbers with an extra 500k or so 360 sales and PS3 sales under counted by around 200 to 300k.

The PS3 should pass the 360 in worldwide installed base around January 09 unless there is some monster price cuts to the 360 between now and then.

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kazuma - 526 days 19 hours ago

@ 1.3
yeah it's pretty much a gamecube with just some higher specs, reportedly

@ 1.4
lol yeah i remember that, it was e3.
did a fast search and found this:
http://www.play-gadgets.com...
they SAY it was wii hardware inside gamecube housing, but i don't know if that's really true lol

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ocha84 - 526 days 16 hours ago

no matter how well sony does....there will alwayz be haters~

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John Madden - 526 days 16 hours ago

Well coming from the PS2 anybody would be a loser. As far as PS3 goes it will not be the loser of this generation. The 360 will lose the most money and sell the least this generation. As for Sony they are the biggest loser because from 120 million PS2s and the large margin of victory it's just not going to happen again this generation. Not even the Wii or the DS will dominate like the PS2.

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BWS1982 - 526 days 11 hours ago

That was "housed" in a gamecube casing, doesn't mean it's a gamecube "running" Wii games, get real about that....I will be the first to agree that Wii lacks some noticable horsepower compared to the PS3/360 stuff, but also the first to swear that you won't find a GC game that looked as good as Metroid Prime 3 or Smash Bros. Brawl or The Conduit...the GC could NOT have pulled off those. Look it up people, it's only a beefed up GC, but remember the portion of "BEEFED UP"....

I'm sickened by the fact that it seems Nintendo left hardcore in the dust, albeit a few first party exclusives and even fewer 3rd party, but I'll never understand fanboys. To me a fanboy isn't just a lover (or "fan") of one console but a hater of others, just accept the Wii for what it is and give Nintendo some resect, it was a close call that the Playstation 1 didn't become an add-on for the SNES back in the mid 90's, if you know your history.

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Bubble Buddy - 526 days 6 hours ago

i still think Wii will be the loser. For the winner, we can only wait and see.

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kinggeoff - 526 days 3 hours ago

"The 360 will lose the most money and sell the least this generation"

Lose the most money? What's the rent like under that rock dude??

360 is already MAKING money. They aren't losing anything on the 360. It's still selling fine outside of Japan, and the multiplats are still selling in favour of x360. PS3 will, im sure, catch up and the race will get closer. But 360 losing money? not since january

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Pr3-M3d_G4M3R - 526 days 3 hours ago

I dont understand why people are arguing if Sony will win or MS will win. Why would it matter to the consumer? It only has an impact on the shareholders and investors, not the low level of the gamer who only buys the product. If Sony turns out to be the "winner" what impact does this have to me? Cheaper system? Well I already have a ps3 so a lower price has no effect on those who already own a system. Lower rpice of the competitor's system? Well thats great news because now everyone can own both systems! More games? Well if you want the most games and variety then buy an Xbox and ps3, that way you have the best of both consoles. Really all this fanboyism is just child's play, maybe if you had say $20,000,000 invested in Sony or MS then I could see why everyone would care who wins but for the average or hardcore gamer, I doubt that is a possibility, just enjoy the games for each system equally, both the ps3 and 360 have amazing games, but I guess fanboys wouldnt know that because they are bent on one system, oh well your loss!

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Sayai jin - 526 days 3 hours ago

@LifendzDoes - The BMW and Ford anoalogy is not a good one, becuase BMW sells way more cars than Ford. I have seen many BMW's from Kuwait to Russia to the EU to Japan and to the US. While you only see a lot of Fords in the US.

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Lifendz - 526 days 2 hours ago

Thanks for letting me know what people drive in Kuwait. I was speaking purely in relation to America and only America. I was not, in any way, speaking for the people in Kuwait or wherever else you'd like to throw out there.

Next time maybe dispute my argument as a whole rather than schematics.

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scissor_runner - 524 days 1 hour ago

The whole "look at it selling and it's cost so much more WOW!" is not a good point. The fact that it is not beating the Wii which it is superior to is a problem. Then it is barely beating the xbox 360 with an avg of 20k a month with a nice 200k spike. The game cube had a similar problem with the first xbox and they lost. The GC would come soaring back yet in the end the xbox won that gen. I know how lots of PS3 owners and future owners feel but I also see lots of gamers hyping the machine and not buying it or saying they will get one.

Saying you will get one did not keep FF13 exclusive. You guys have to buy. If you are waiting on games then I understand but that's not helping. Another thing is the most post I ever saw on here was around 1000s when I see 400,000 unique post say they are getting an PS3 this week in one post I will believe that the PS3 will win. Then the same happening the month after that.

Then the problem is how do you grow the hardcore market. Dropping the price would help but not making me too games would help even more. Making more types of hardcore niche games is a solution also. I'm sure lots of potential players and buyers would say the same. It's easy to be excited about a game but only certain games become some thing I have to play due to game play. Once i've seen the graphics in motion I get most of the pay off for eye candy games and most of the time the eye candy is old and tired.

No one cares about the power of your system if you are over 25 years old and your are still saying this as the reason why your console will win then you are a new comer. Every one cares about price then fun and how much of it can be had. Even fanboys feel this way deep down inside. The PS2 is a perfect example. It became the standard. People buy more standard stuff than expensive. Over here in America the middle class is getting beat up so there are less rich people trying to buy expensive stuff. Then it does help that they are getting ignored and not even log on to post board to complain about it.

Suddenly SONY and MS are simply preaching to the people that already own there systems because they are just trying to please them. I'm sure they will see this soon enough but why worry about it they are making so much money off of the people that already own an HD system. If you don't believe me then just wonder why the share holders are not pissed?

Then on top of that all of the console hardware is obsolete as of last year and beyond. The gear is about getting certain things done leaving HD out may piss off a few people but it works for every one. Don't come to me with this it doesn't work for hardcore because it work last gen for the PS2 and thing are no different now we all did not get $600 video game gift cards this gen.

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zodiac909 - 526 days 19 hours ago

you sir are a smart one :D

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Liquid Dust - 526 days 19 hours ago

I agree, back in 06 the PS3 was looking grim in terms of ports and overall support from developers, but now everything is seeming to align to create success for the PS3, whether it be exclusives this fall or next spring, Bluray, playstation network, and great updates.

I just cant understand how people can have so much disapproval for sony at this moment. I recently went to a gamestop a week ago and the manager tried to "inform" me how the PS3 was selling horribly, development costs are very high, there are no good games, and it is impossible to develop for....i asked, "is it spring 2007?"

Development costs are now half what they used to be, people now finally praise the architecture, ports are great, exclusive games are great, and PS3 sales are definitely picking up, the guy hadnt even played MGS4 yet. Gamestop is just ruining the game industry in so many ways.

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bruiser81 - 526 days 17 hours ago

I hear what you both are saying and agree, but dont you mean 07, it was only out for a little over a month in 06

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Liquid Dust - 526 days 17 hours ago

Yea ur right there bruiser, during early 07' was when you would see crap ports like ghost recon, a list of broken EA titles, and the loss of some key multiplatform titles like Bioshock.

But all is better and I am still glad that I am a PS3 owner especially with so many current titles and ones to look forward to this fall, Im not going to know what to do with myself

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Daishi - 526 days ago

Your saying Xbox fans have nothing better to do when it's 99% Sony fans commenting on it??? I mean it's a pie chart, if I wrote a pie chart on a wall would you argue with it? Plus all these statistics change everyday. Tell them they are wrong when they're wrong, not when they have accurate statistics...

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nbsmatambo - 526 days 19 hours ago

well.....

il just get a dbl cheese burger =D

Ontopic:

seems like a lot of people dislike Sony now because the PS3 is taking off

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Deee187 - 525 days 20 hours ago

I had the Steakhouse Burger and BK, I recommend it, it was good.

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Max Power - 526 days 19 hours ago

that sony did come out the winner, because with out the ps3, Blu-Ray wouldn't have been crowned victor of the HD format battle. Which in turn will make the ps3 more and more appealing to people as the price drops.
its only a matter of time the customers which purchased a ps2 for its first dvd player and had it last for years, will eventually move on the ps3 and its blu-ray player. Along with all the new games that are coming out that will appeal to a wider audiance, or the select hardcore that have yet to pick one up due to the 'lack' of games.

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kwicksandz - 526 days 18 hours ago

By the time that the ps3 hits the mass market pricepoint cheaper Blue ray players will be available that can be upgraded like the ps3 and a major advantage of the console will be lost.

Over the coming years if BD truely becomes the next DVD then maybe the HD war will bear fruit.

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dude_uk - 526 days 18 hours ago

dude your not getting the point..

what pirate means is that either way...
if the PS3 will or won't be the cheapest player on the market Sony still makes the most money on blu-ray than any other company..
since they own the rights together with pioneer or panasonic if i'm not mistaken..

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scissor_runner - 524 days 1 hour ago

I think quick sand got the point. You guys are trying to say the BR thing is big which it is only if people start buying more of them. That isn't really happening. DVD sales are still king and they may stay that way for a while. People don't like paying more not how much better some thing is. Then on top of that you guys are hoping john doe does care. 12% penetration for the HD market says they don't. SONY is trying to create demand and they are doing a bad job at it. It is even harder to make a blueray disk than a dvd. Then we are not talking about media cost for the spools.

Nintendo made a very nice profit last gen and came out a looser any way. That got them a lot of 3rd party support didn't it? People are slowly moving to other systems. The people I'm talking about are developers. Gamers are moving to other systems but what matters are the games. The Wii has tons of gamers but some only want certain games bowling or zelda.

Also too I would like to see the data where the PS3 is beating the PS2 sales rate. The Wii is the only console beating or even matching PS2 sales rate. Hell the PS2 still was out selling the PS3 for a while. Hey believe what you want to though. It does not matter at the end of the day this industry is much bigger than an internet post board.

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PirateThom - 526 days 19 hours ago

Yeah, well, sangria sucks and Tequilla Slammers are the best.

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littletad - 526 days 19 hours ago

Business doesn't wait for competitors and it does nothing to explain that pie chart. Sony has lost market share, that's a fact. The even sadder fact is that it's by an underpowered console and lost of exclusives.

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jessupj - 526 days 10 hours ago

It's sad because people can be stupid, naive and too easy to follow everyone else.

I believe A LOT of new people have stepped into our gaming world this gen. Maybe even twice as many as last gen, so just because nintedo and ms and closing in on their previous install base doesn't mean sony has lost market share.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that people are purchasing the ps3 at a faster rate then the ps2. So if the ps2 sold 120 plus last gen, and with a larger market for potential customers, it will be exciting to see the figures of all 3 consoles.

Lets just hope there isn't many naive casuals at the end and that nintendo hasn't single handedly ruined gaming.

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 7 hours ago

Wii came out 2 days after the PS3 and its the Wii in the lead not 360. So even if you line them up PS3 still loses

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GarandShooter - 526 days 2 hours ago

Declaring a clear winner or loser at this point is idiotic. Even if you only consider a 5 or 6 year lifecycle, we're not even two full years into it. It's like declaring a winner two innings into a ball game. There's a whole lot of baseball left to be played and anything can happen.

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QueefyB - 526 days 20 hours ago

hey playstation man bloodmask is already in the report section crying so go easy on him

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morganfell - 526 days 17 hours ago

Lets thank the idiots that approved this article. Why? Because it is proof. Proof that Microsoft is sweating 44 magnum sized bullets. Sony is gaining on them like a predator and as that worn out last gen MS console continues to rattle and gasp the black beast is like a cyborg panther moving in relentlessly for the kill.

The Wii sales will begin to flatten this holiday season and the human garbage truck marcus fenix won't be able to keep the MS last gen console afloat. People will want the true HD next gen experience and the PS3 is the only place to get a console that is a true HD media hub as well.

Everyone should remember the jackassery of websites like neocrisis and remind them in just over a year as the PS3 fully catches MS. They apparently think this generation is completely over in 2010 when MS releases their next console. And if you own a 360 it will be over. Dropped the way MS dropped the Xbox, the way MS drops support for products all the time.

Yes, as Billy Ray Valentine said "They panickin'. I can hear 'em."

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themyk - 526 days 14 hours ago

that probably the best comment i've read all month.

cyborg panther.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 526 days 9 hours ago

'Why Micro$oft Will Be the Biggest Loser this Gen' ;-D
These Articles are SO Sad!!! ;-D

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TheDeadMetalhead - 525 days 23 hours ago

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...wait, they already came? Okay.

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Pain - 525 days 22 hours ago

Man talk about damage Control, Wii beating the XBOX in the ONLY country it had AnyForm of a Lead on anything..got u to right That dribble?

God in any Heaven u dont breed.

Remember this crap when M$ Makes u Mandatorly Upgrade to XBOX 3 like the did with XBOX 1 to reset thelolConsoleRace

and QF Truth @what GameDev said 100%

M$ buying Games/rights/a share of the pie is pretty dam lame, like how they bought bungie so that Apple would Not get a game, since Halo was a Mac game before M$ bought it and its way in to the game industry with its "Luv us We Kooler the other guy and M$ Money solves All attitude"...

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QueefyB - 526 days 19 hours ago

i think i will be playing as the zombies first because it will be easier to remember the keyboard layout

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PirateThom - 526 days 19 hours ago

Yeah, it's coming in a Double Pack with PlayStation 3 exclusive Mass Effect 2.

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QueefyB - 526 days 19 hours ago

i am not surprised microsoft stocks are at an all time low

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QueefyB - 526 days 19 hours ago

hello postedup how are you please tell the hiphopgamer i am very upset with him he did not punch or kick major nelson and the other microsoft employees he interviewed

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PoSTedUP - 526 days 19 hours ago

lol what up man. lol nah he didnt but he did an awesome job at interviewing them. ill let him know though ; ) btw that sh*t was madd funny lol lol. iight man be easy peace and god bless.

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sean1020 - 525 days 21 hours ago

I have been reading the crap that PS3 fanboys write. And its very sad that you have know idea of how the world works. Money, Money, Money. Not a single game producer will do a exclusive if theyre not going to see that money in return. That old way of doing business wont work anymore if they want to survive. So you will see more cross platform games. Get use to it. What happen last gen wont happen this time around. Sony dooesnt have the install base to warrent such a investment. Look all the company merging or closing up. Wake up you fools.

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PoSTedUP - 526 days 19 hours ago

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *thumbs down at your comment* BOOOOOOOOOOO

how lame.....

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Zulwarn - 526 days 19 hours ago

im not sure if i can help you but

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have fun!

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MAiKU - 526 days 18 hours ago

*sigh*

well yeah sure your console steals something else sony has done for it's system and that'll make M$ we waaay ahead in sells. But lets see them take this.

http://www.n4g.com/events_e...

have fun! ^_^

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Zulwarn - 526 days 18 hours ago

"have fun"

i am with the 360 ^_^ after all i dont need to wait beyond

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 18 hours ago

He didnt show the 360 would win. The really big chart at the bottom shows the Wii leading this gen. I would suggest reading it before commenting on it. That would have helped with the disagrees

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juuken - 526 days 18 hours ago

"He didnt show the 360 would win. The really big chart at the bottom shows the Wii leading this gen. I would suggest reading it before commenting on it. That would have helped with the disagrees"

He didn't show but he was *implying* it. The PS3 is currently in third place. The 360 is currently in second place. The Wii is currently in 1st place. How does he come to this conclusion that the PS3 will be the biggest loser this generation? What, does he have a crystal ball to show it? I saw the charts and I read his article.

They're poorly put together because nobody, and I mean nobody can deny that the PS3 is catching up to the 360 and quickly. I don't think they'll catch up to the Wii but they'll be close enough. He's missing two key components-brand loyalty and 1st party exclusives which may be system sellers and excellent games at best.

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 18 hours ago

Nowhere does he imply 360 will win. That's only you putting your spin on it.

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juuken - 526 days 17 hours ago

I know he did not mention the 360. I did read the article. He's implying something there. I am not stupid nor naive to not see it. It's too early to call the PS3 a loser right now or even imply that they're losing.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 526 days 19 hours ago

Another fake account huh? i thought N4G had rules and guidelines?

...guess they dont mean sh!t.

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Xiru - 526 days 16 hours ago

How do I even respond the the false info you have posted? Why would you lead people to believe PS3 is doing bad? It is outselling the 360 weekly in all territories? Do you check sales numbers? How can you say its lost its previous fanbase when it is selling similar to the PS2 at the same point in its life cycle? It must suck to have to make up stuff to show your console is superior. As for me, I will stick to the facts.

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 18 hours ago

I can explain that but I have never owned a MS console. Those systems had smaller install bases and both companies wanted to focus on their next systems. Sony knew they were facing a tough road so they kept working on the PS2. Had the PS3 actually taken off in sales we wouldnt be seeing such great support for PS2. The PS2 took off in sales and they dropped the PS1 pretty quick. Still sold the console but not any new games. With PS2 though they didnt get that option because the 110 million PS2 owners werent all just foaming at the mouth for PS3. Still arent really. So as long as the PS3 continues to be last place, the PS2 will be getting support from Sony.

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MAiKU - 526 days 18 hours ago

Yeah, it has nothing to do with people still buying the system and the popularity of the third party support. It's because the ps3 isn't getting enough sales.

9_9

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 18 hours ago

ok nm obviously this is a topic you dont have the ability to comprehend. Ahh wth I will try it. If it wasnt for the poor beginning of the PS3 Sony would have moved to PS3 as their priority long ago, and making 3rd parties to do the same. So the 3rd party support wouldnt be there right now and the sales wouldnt either without the games. Oh and I wonder what you think about the Wii library since you still consider the PS2 to be getting great 3rd party support yet most of the games announced for it are family friendly titles also going to Wii. Some how I bet you feel very different about that great selection when its on another console.

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REDZEV - 526 days 18 hours ago

Seriously candian stoner dude. You need to get your head out of your bong bro. seriously.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 526 days 16 hours ago

So you disagree PS2 won last gen? okay,where's the original xbox?

Dead.

Where's 360's exclusive's? they have even less then they did with the original.

Remember as you xbots like to say "PS3 has no games"
It's been outselling 360 every month,non stop. with "no games"

There just starting to release there AAA titles now.
Laugh all you want jackass,you'll be playing PS3 too soon enough.

also,im more of a Joint/Blunt guy,bongs dont suit me.

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Xiru - 526 days 16 hours ago

Exclusives are what matter most and it is the reason 360 is so far ahead of the PS3. That will change soon enough. Gears of War was the first game to skyrocket 360 sales, then came Halo 3. MGS4 skyrocketed PS3 sales, and now the PS3 is outselling the 360 in the US. Just a few more mega exclusives and 360 will start falling far behind.

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LuHawk - 526 days ago

WRONG the 360 will take those exclusives too because sony is to stupid to keep them

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 525 days 23 hours ago

WRONG luhawk there first party titles,owned and published by SONY

They cant be bought,you stupid c*ck sucking mother f*cking useless scumbag.

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Voiceofreason - 526 days 18 hours ago

PS3 is not selling faster than PS2... Where do you guys even get this complete BS?

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Xiru - 526 days 16 hours ago

Line up the graphs on Vgchartz from launch. PS3 isn't selling more, but is very close to PS2.

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