Unreal engine 3 with perfect 10

pharmd - 523 days 23 hours ago

yeah, after looking at them i was not impressed at all.... when UTIII came out on ps3, i definitely liked it but it wasn't breathtaking.... they should have had the UE4 ready by now, they are going to miss out for quite a while until that does come out!

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darkequitus - 523 days 23 hours ago

...don't concern yourself with any game built on it then. Easy! No one is forcing you to digest it. Your are doing it of your own free will.

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STREET x KING - 523 days 23 hours ago

u guys do know MIRROR'S EDGE is using the UnrealEngine right?
and look at how that game looks... nothing like Gears or UT3

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CrazzyMan - 523 days 22 hours ago

because these looks awesome:
http://xbox360media.ign.com...
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

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decapitator - 523 days 22 hours ago

What a silly post. This may actual hold some truth to it but the linked sight offers nothing factual.

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NintendoWTF - 523 days 20 hours ago

The reason UE3 is so popular with 360 developers is it pretty much only good for putting out those silly marketing shots because of its overuse of normal maps everywhere.

UE3 one trick is basically uses normal maps to simulate geometric detail with texture level effects. You take a very high poly mesh and then massively reduce as much detail as you can down onto the flat texture surfaces. So 360 usually end up using very high detail versions of their characters and world in the fake marketing shots that 360 fans go nuts over.

But when it comes to the real game the actual characters and world are massively downgraded to be able to run on the 360 hardware. So you end up with characters that look kind of similar to the fake marketing shots but they all have that blurry low rez feel to them since all that real geometric detail is gone and is just being faked.

Another problem with overly relying on normal maps like UE3 does is all of your character models end up with the same types of shapes - like the 'bald space marine' complaints people are so sick of seeing in UE3 games. When you are faking geometric detail with normal maps you can't really have geometry sticking to far out from the main surfaces - otherwise the outline of the character would be distorted when the high detail polys are baked into the normal maps. So you end up with the same types of broad uniform curvature surfaces.

UE3 is here to stay for the life of the 360. It is the only engine that allows 360 developers and fans to pretend the 360 is in the same graphical league as the PS3.

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NintendoWTF - 523 days 20 hours ago

"when UTIII came out on ps3, i definitely liked it but it wasn't breathtaking"

That is the problem Epic has with the UE3 based Gears of War 2. They got away with putting out nothing but the fake bullshots for their game because the gaming press really wanted something to get rid of the Xbox 1.5 label.

Now that everyone has seen just how mediocre UE3 actually is in realtime and not marketing shots Gears of War 2 actually ends up looking like a massive downgrade from the bullshots Epic so carefully made sure where all everyone saw of the first game.

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bishop-br - 523 days 13 hours ago

NintendoWTF

You are right about normal mapping and the marketing screenshots vs the arctual games on UE3. So you are about some of the engine limitations that come to limite character design.

But I think you fail on assume this as the reason, the major cause, to all those look a like character design. This has so much more to do with going the cheap way and making what proven franshise has done and what you know will sell cause you see it everyday on TV, movies, internet and all... An this one is more of a cultural thing and has more to do with stereotypes...

Devs are just aiming to what they think will please the average western adolescent male, even if most times, they don't. And should be pretty obvious by now that this cheap way is ruining games, look at Gears Of War, people liked it, but the guys on UT drink on the same steroids even EARLIER and mostly no one cares.

Afterall this entire familiar characters is fruit of the error of devs thinking that some game will sell on America just for its visual. Just like transforming any idea of game in a FPS is lame, just as thinking the good looking woman can salve crap games... We got all those so many times now.

We have games that uses others engines and just have the oversized male on steroids of gears... So we have many games on UE that don't look like any of the UT universe... Better than that, look at mods, you really have much more freedom with the engine than that.

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the_RED_SCARE - 523 days ago

I've never really been a fan of the Unreal engine even on the PC platform. It's too rigid and cookie cutter for me. It doesn't seem organic enough rather very mechanical.

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Madgamerze - 523 days 23 hours ago

Yeah it's not really anything too special, some of them look really basic and don't even have any AA on =/

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StephanieBBB - 523 days 3 hours ago

Everyday I thank god that we have SONY's PS3 to keep moving the gaming visuals and technology forward. And with that said im not a fanboy trust me.I just love games and I would do the same with microsoft if they had a better console than the PS3.

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chanto23 - 523 days 23 hours ago

Unreal Engine FTL!!!!!!

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baseballkid721 - 523 days 23 hours ago

they're not always bulky... look at rainbow six vegas...

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TheExecutive - 523 days 23 hours ago

that and the environments are small and very static. I HATE the character models and the static...well...everything.

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NintendoWTF - 523 days 20 hours ago

Making stuff shiny is very cheap to render. There are still quite a few Xbox fans who think 'bright lights on shiny surfaces' is the Holy Grail of computer graphics. They seem absolutely obsessed with those closeup shots of metal armor or face masks with massively bright lights reflecting off them.

So UE3 with its 'everything covered in plastic' feel is the perfect match 360 fans and why it just looks like just an outdated engine to PS3 and PC gamers. Real life isn't covered in plastic and massively more difficult to render.

But it is funny to 360 fans look at the most advanced rendering engine in Killzone 2 and talk about 'teh textures' - in other words 'hey, everything isn't covered in shiny plastic'. LOL, thank god.

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mistertwoturbo - 523 days 17 hours ago

"But it is funny to 360 fans look at the most advanced rendering engine in Killzone 2 and talk about 'teh textures' - in other words 'hey, everything isn't covered in shiny plastic'."

That my friend, is actually true to some extent. However to slightly counter that, the shiny cover plastic look can be good if used right. Gears of War comes to mind. I personally think without the sheen, the game wouldn't look as exciting with matte covered textures.

But yeah in other games where exaggerated realism is the target like Killzone 2. The matte textures, grim environment, and advanced physics really push that game to new heights in terms of overall visual presentation.

Which is why I'm dead stoked for Killzone 2.

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xJxdOggyStYLe - 523 days 23 hours ago

are a total fool

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darkequitus - 523 days 23 hours ago

So little sisters are huge then? Fail.

I suggest you don't waste your time here and instead spend it on some retro site.

There is nothing wrong with those old game - and don't assume no one here has enjoyed them. But if it so painful, save yourself the agony.

And beofre you say it am not kid. I still fondly remember the 7800 onwards

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Spydr07 - 523 days 22 hours ago

That's why he only has two bubbles.

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tojfs7931 - 523 days 16 hours ago

the new century. You're living in the past. The rest of the world has moved on from the NES. So should you.

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Bob Dole - 523 days 20 hours ago

Monster Madness... or whatever that demo was called. That game used UE3 and it was hella fun. Bob Dole wouldn't pay more than $20 for it though.

Kind of off topic: Are there any games on the Wii or PS2 that use UE3? Getting UE3 to work on the Wii would be awesome.

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Shroomy - 523 days 22 hours ago

DMC4? Haha!

Lost Planet did rocket effects brilliantly, anything else I'm not sure.

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Bob Dole - 523 days 20 hours ago

Bob Dole enjoyed the crap out of Mass Effect not caring what engine it was using. That game got delayed so many times. Just imagine how long it would have taken them if they'd built their own engine ;)

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mfwahwah - 523 days 19 hours ago

I agree with you. I wonder why more devs don't build engines from the ground up. Maybe they don't really know how to?

I like how Quantic Dream made the "The Casting" tech demo in 3 months; and this 3 months includes building an engine, casting an actress, writing the script, etc.

I don't think I even have any games built on UE3 because of how many times I've played games using it at friends' houses.

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mistertwoturbo - 523 days 17 hours ago

I agree with your statement. But one thing to consider is cost. It would cost probably 2-3 times more trying to develope your own engine, plus developing the game itself.

So that's why company buy the license to use the Unreal Engine because it's the most developer friendly engine available.

Granted there are tons more Engines out there, but again. Cost. Perhaps other Licenses cost an arm and leg more than the UE.

So developers can sit down and either Buy an engine and just work on the game's story, audio, and other things. But obviously use the engine which looks similar to the other games. Or take out of their time and budget to make their own engine which isn't always successful.

It's a vicious cycle.

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Julia Bond - 523 days 9 hours ago

uncharted drake type game?

you mean a third person shooter with a cover system using unreal engine 3? yea someone needs to make one of those it would be revolutionary.....

<3

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Leathersoup - 523 days ago

You mean, Tomb Raider? :P

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yanikins111 - 523 days 6 hours ago

ROFL

Note to developers. DO NOT USE UE3 TO CODE RACING GAMES

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edhe - 523 days 21 hours ago

UT2 was the 2k series, UT 3 is above.

UE4 will be out for the next console generation, as i've said many times before the unreal engine is under constant improvement, it's not a static thing.

I don't know why people complain about it - without it the industry would suffer.
Nice list below from wikipedia, it spans everything from XBLA titles to MMOs. It's up to the devs to make things look different, not the engine itself.

Unreal Engine 3

* 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand — (2008) Swordfish Studios
* A4 (sequel to A3) - (2009) AniPark
* Aliens: Colonial Marines — (Late 2008) Gearbox Software
* Alpha Protocol - (Spring 2009) Obsidian Entertainment
* America's Army 3.0 — (2008) US Army
* American McGee's Grimm - (2008) Spicy Horse
* APB — (2008) Realtime Worlds
* Army of Two — (2008) Electronic Arts
* Alliance of Valiant Arms - (2007) Pmang
* Black College Football: BCFX: The Xperience - (2007) Nerjyzed Entertainment
* Black Powder Red Earth - (TBA) Echelon Software
* Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway — (2008) Gearbox Software[23]
* BioShock - (2007) 2K Boston/2K Australia
* BlackSite: Area 51 — (2007) Midway Austin
* Blitz - (2008) CJIG
* Borderlands - (TBA) Gearbox Software
* Crimecraft - (2008) Vogster Entertainment
* Damnation - (TBA) Blue Omega / Point of View
* DC Universe Online — (TBA) Sony Online Entertainment
* Earth No More — (2009) Recoil Games / 3D Realms
* Empire - (TBA) Chair Entertainment
* Empire: Alpha Complex - (TBA) Chair Entertainment
* Ender's Game — (TBA) Chair Entertainment
* Elveon — (TBA) 10tacle Studios[24]
* End - (TBA) Faramix Enterprises[25]
* Fatal Inertia — (2007) Koei[26]
* Free Realm - (TBA) Sony Online Entertainment
* Frontlines: Fuel of War — (2008) Kaos Studios
* Fury — (2007) Auran[27]
* Gears of War — (2006) Epic Games
* Gears of War 2 — (2008) Epic Games
* Global Agenda — (TBA) Hi-Rez Studios[28]
* Hail to the Chimp — (2008) Wideload Games [29]
* Highlander: The Game — (TBA 2008) TBA
* Hei$t - (2008) inXile Entertainment
* Hour of Victory — (2007) Midway Games
* Huxley — (2008) Webzen Games[30]
* Lost Odyssey — (2007) Mistwalker[31]
* Mass Effect — (2007) BioWare[32]
* Magna Carta 2 - (TBA) Softmax
* Medal of Honor: Airborne — (2007) Electronic Arts[33]
* Mirror´s Edge (TBA) DICE
* Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia — (2007) Artificial Studios[34]
* Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe - (2008) Midway
* Mortal Online - (2009) Star Vault
* Parabellum - (2008) Acony
* Project M - (TBA) NC Soft
* Red Steel sequel - (TBA) Ubisoft
* Rise of the Argonauts - (2008) Liquid Entertainment
* Robert Ludlum's The Bourne Conspiracy - (2008) High Moon Studios
* RoboBlitz — (2006) Naked Sky Entertainment[35]
* Rogue Warrior: Black Razor - (2007) Bethesda Softworks
* Section 8 (2009) Timegate Studios
* Sephiroth 2 - (TBA) IMagic Entertainment
* Sin City - (TBA) Transmission Games / RedMile Entertainment[36]
* Stargate Worlds — (2008) Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment[37]
* Stranglehold — (2007) Midway Chicago[38]
* The Agency - (2008) Sony Online Entertainment
* The Last Remnant — (2008) Square Enix
* The Scourge Project — (N/A) Tragnarion Studios
* Tiberium — (TBA) Electronic Arts[39]
* TNA iMPACT! - (2008) Midway Games / Point of View
* To End All Wars — (2008) Kuju Entertainment [40] [41]
* Tom Clancy's EndWar — (2008) Ubisoft
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas - (2006) Ubisoft
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 - (2008) Ubisoft
* Too Human - (TBA) Silicon Knights (until ditched in favour of an internal engine)
* Turning Point: Fall of Liberty — (2008) Spark Unlimited
* Turok — (2008) Propaganda Games
* Undertow — (2007) Chair Entertainment
* Unreal Tournament 3 — (2007) Epic Games
* The Wheelman — (2008) Midway Games
* Warmonger - (2008) NetDevil

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Makidian - 523 days 21 hours ago

UE4 won't even launch until the next consoles do, maybe a bit earlier for devs to get used to, since Epic said it's being designed with consoles in mind. But UE3 games do all look very similar, Too Human, Gears, even Bioshock are so close in design you would think they were all worked on by the same people with very slight differences in style

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The Wood - 523 days 20 hours ago

there lies the problem. Too much unreal engine exposure

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Bob Dole - 523 days 20 hours ago

MK vs. DC??! Really?

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Thoas - 523 days 23 hours ago

Just face it Unreal engine 3 is maxed out on PC and consoles too. LOL Crysis made UTIII and Gears of war on PC look like a Sega Genesis game.

http://i289.photobucket.com...

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Shroomy - 523 days 22 hours ago

When it comes to gameplay, the developers fail badly at it.

Gears never claimed to have invented the cover system, that is just ignorance on your side moron, Gears pretty much perfected it.

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BLUR111 - 523 days 22 hours ago

Crysis sucks it's just great graphic so shut your fanboys ass up Thoas

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Jenzo - 523 days 20 hours ago

Unreal Engine 3 might be, but not Unreal Engine 3.5 that's being used in Gears Of War 2.

@Thoas - I guess you won't be picking up Bioshock for the PS3 then?

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pwnsause - 523 days 16 hours ago

"Unreal Engine 3 might be, but not Unreal Engine 3.5 that's being used in Gears Of War 2."

yea, too bad it uses the similar assets to Uncharted and KZ2.

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Steven Colbert - 523 days 16 hours ago

Its more about the CRYengine which is the engine of the future.Crysis was average but the graphics just drip of epicness

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XGamer - 523 days 4 hours ago

He's changed the title to sound like it's a has been engine now, when in actuality it's just pictures and one sentence stating extreme detail in the UT3 game.

Sad lil PC boy getting upset and then lieing about a picture. I don't get it.

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Thoas - 523 days 22 hours ago

Its the exact same engine tard.

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dkgshiz - 523 days 20 hours ago

what does this have to do with sony fanboys? Its talking about a freaking engine you kock sucker. You act as if the unreal engine is god. Dude you seriously need to take your own life tonight. Like kill yourself right now. You failed as a human being so just do yourself and your family members a favor. Take your own life! Not like you have a life anyways, your on here 24/7, haha loser with no life.

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ravinshield - 523 days 19 hours ago

ur stupid just like ur mom

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deathray - 523 days 14 hours ago

So I guess you're saying screw innovation. Just use the same old crap on every generation? That's pretty stupid. The reason PS3 will ultimately dominate this generation is because they had the balls to throw the old stuff out the window and INNOVATE. I'll go back to playing my nice quiet cool running PS3 with the AWESOME GRAPHICS AND BEST GAMES now.

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pixelsword - 523 days 5 hours ago

No one's talking about the engine being maxed-out on any console, it's talking about how the game looks great when the graphics are maxed-out on this particular person's PC (I say that because I've seen better screenshots of this game on another site)

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