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Gay gamer's Gamertag banned from LIVE

TVGB: "Anyone who has spent any amount of time playing games on Xbox LIVE knows that it isn't the friendliest place for gay gamers. The word gay gets thrown around as an insult so often (even by people who don't think that they're homophobic) that I don't know how any gay gamer gets through a match of Halo without being seriously insulted. Now Microsoft has taken it to another level by banning a gay gamer who's Xbox LIVE Gamertag is 'thegayergamer'. Why? Because of general complaints from the community."
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Published: 585 days 19 hours ago | News | Xbox 360 | Gaming | Industry News
 
 

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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Honestly, if I saw the Gametag "thegayergamer", I wouldn't assume it was actually a gay person, but someone mocking gay people.

Not sure why. I guess I just tend to assume the worst about people on Live, based on my experiences there.

This is, sadly, a very grey area, because there's no obvious right or wrong. Even as I write this comment my opinion bounces back and forth. I mean, what if by "gayer" he just meant "happier"? That's a legitimate usage, too.

On the other hand, I can see why gamers would come across it and assume the Gamertag was using "gay" in the derogatory sense and thus report it as offensive. I doubt it was done by homophobes, as the the author of this article seems to think.

I guess the question is, in Microsoft's case, what do you do? This isn't an easy call to make, no matter what people may think. It's easy to say Microsoft should "do the right thing" and stick up for homosexual rights, but how do they know the guy is actually gay and not just lying to keep his Gamertag?

The article says: "What isn’t right is that Microsoft would react to complaints that are based on hate and bigotry.", but this is going by the assumption that the complaints were based on hate and bigotry, and not people being genuinely offended because they thought this guy was actually insulting gays people.

As I said, my opinion keeps bouncing back and forth. There's really no obvious right or wrong in this situation, it just sucks for everyone involved.
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zypher - 585 days 19 hours ago
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i probably would've assumed the same thing. like the person said, Live is known for how abusive its gamers are. Microsoft probably assumed "thegayergamer" was mocking actual gay people, and banned the name for that reason too.
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sonarus - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Yea but lets not stray away from the topic. The topic is Msoft is full of Nazi's and they are intolerant. Lets all assemble at their HQ as an angry mob and burn it to he ground for achievement points
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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
1.3 - @1.2
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: 200G - Mob Justice
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Statix - 585 days 19 hours ago
1.6 - You know what's funny?
What's ironic is that some, if not most, of the complaints to Microsoft were made by other homosexuals and/or gay-rights activists, about the tag "thegaygamer" being HOMOPHOBIC.

I love seeing these instances where political correctness and oversensitivity come back to bite itself in the ass.
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Gam71 - 585 days 19 hours ago
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While reading the article I got the impression the author had issues with his sexuality.

"What isn’t right is that Microsoft would react to complaints that are based on hate and bigotry.", but this is going by the assumption that the complaints were based on hate and bigotry, and not people being genuinely offended because they thought this guy was actually insulting gays people.

I got the same I'm a victim tone that seem to also stem from female gamers writing about being discriminated against.

The one where she said

I'm either killed over and over and over again (Because that's cool. Does killing a girl make you feel manly?)

missing the point of gaming and labelling all gamers as homophobic or sexist(guess the irony they are in fact discriminating)

His opinion that all the complaints made was because everyone was homophobic and M$ would only act to help those bigots and not the bigot that wrote the article were very onesided.

He deliberately chose the negative in this story and to see the worst in "straight" people without give on his beliefs.

He's as bad as the other bigots.
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Gam71 - 585 days 17 hours ago
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At least explain your disagree.

Unless its nasim following my account giving me disagrees to everything i put.
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iHEARTboobs - 585 days 17 hours ago
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You're right when you say that the situation sucks for everyone. Personally, i think the right decision was made based on what XBL sounds like. I could understand why "thegayergamer" could spark controversy and hate while playing online and therefore I could see why MS would want to prevent that. Maybe to protect the gamers or maybe just to protect themselves. You can't please everyone but it sounds like its an attempt to keep the talk of hate away from online play.
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Zeevious - 585 days 16 hours ago
1.10 - Will the real issue please stand up?
In this circumstance it looks like Microsoft did the right thing, if the gamertag was causing controvery and multiple complaints, just as they would be likely to ban other tags like
'the [_FILL_IN_THE_SKANK_] gamer'

The real issue is that we insist on distilling the broad range of human sexuality into three words 'Straight' 'Bi' and 'Gay' ?

It's thinking within those narrow labels that makes it that much easier to hate, and that much harder to understand. Both of those ended up in this gamertag ban, and pretty much all the problems we have as societies living on this planet.

As a species I think we can be pretty embarrassing. It's why I always say:
Of course Space Aliens visit us...They're here for the show.
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samfk - 585 days 8 hours ago
1.11 - ive known hundreds of gaming names not being allowed or they were allowed then stopped !
just another case of o my god did they ,swearing racism sexism ,thets face it people are gonna reply
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MaNonF1rE - 585 days 6 hours ago
1.12 - kinda asked for it....
Don't complain about it 1. You did violate the terms putting gay in name 2. You're just asking to be discriminated putting gay in your gamertag, I've got nothing against gays, but I definently hate it when they just try to shove it in my face, it's like when black people call each other the n word or put some kind of gangster thing in their gamertag, so just use a normal name please.
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christopher6453 - 584 days 22 hours ago
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OMG, I have been an AVID supporter of XBL for almost 7 years now. But this has really begun to open my eyes. I cannot play a game of Halo 3, GTA 4, or R6V2 without running inot some jackass named "ISMOKEWEED" or "WEEDSMOKER" or something like that, and they ban someone for representing themselves as gay? Are you kidding me?

I know it it so small, but I am contacting Xbox customer support and closing my account today.
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myabsolution - 585 days 19 hours ago
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@2

Someone a bit insecure over their own sexuality methinks?
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andapaul88 - 585 days 19 hours ago
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so i guess if i dont like rice crispies im insecure about cereal then, that dumb statement makes no sense. Damn straight up i dont like gay people does that make me evil........that doesnt mean that just cus i c a gay person im gonna go shout and call them a F^G it just means i dont associate with them. And thats my honest belief as a Jamaican, ask any other Jamaican
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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
2.3 - @2.2
I was going to give this reply a pass, and assume you were (poorly) joking, but now it's clear you aren't.

Please keep your pathetic, ill-informed, uneducated hate speech off of N4G. This is (theoretically) a place for big boys to talk. Not for homophobic bile.

This goes for #4 below and anyone else who has the gall to attack gay people in this thread. Sad and pathetic, the lot of you.
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Alexander Roy - 585 days 19 hours ago
2.4 - andapaul88
Just leave. Please. For the wellbeing of all intelligent people here. The same goes for the moron who agreed with you.
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sonarus - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Sigh. Its all ignorance really
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myabsolution - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Ah youre Jamaican, well that explains the blatant gay-hate.

Just because its ok to publically shun/beat homosexuals in your home country doesnt mean that its ok.

I myself, am gay. And what effect that has on any ones life but my own, why others care, or have hatred towards me... is purely their own problem.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Statix - 585 days 19 hours ago
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I loved you in American Beauty.
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wow4u - 585 days 19 hours ago
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If I saw "thegaygamer" it would appear to be someone wanting to make fun of gays.

I applaud Microsoft's excellent customer service and community system to help maintain the high standard that makes Xbox LIVE the premier online service for all types of people.

MS helps maintain the most tolerant community of gamers online, and I think that is terrific.

This was the correct decision.
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Tmac - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Wow, you truly are the biggest fanboy allowed in the big boy zone. You agree with everything Microsoft does, personally your opinion should be taken as important as a grain of salt.
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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
3.2 - @3.1
Fanboy he may be, but he's no worse than a few of the Sony fanboys that are still allowed in here.

@Below:

Oh, I'm not saying that Sony fanboys or worse, or even that there's that much more of them, but just that wow4u isn't the worst one there is. He has at least a few equals.
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sonarus - 585 days 19 hours ago
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lol i think the mods gave up on nasim. Anytime he gets banned he resurrects as alexM, or shadow hearts or sammy mantra lol.

Regardless, no use comparing fanboys. Fanboys exist on both sides. PS3 fanboys seem more mostly because of nasim and his 10 accounts lol
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TapiocaMilkTea - 585 days 10 hours ago
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I have to say MS did the right thing.
They have the rights to ban any names that they find not fit in the LIVE community, or because of complaints from other users.
LIVE is not free, so they should treat it as a service for exclusive members and listen to them.
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Alexander Roy - 585 days 19 hours ago
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How can someone be so... ah forget it, won't waste any more time on you.
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smokeymicpot - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Microsoft hates gay's oh no.
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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
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I knew this thread was going to get bad, but dear God, for the love of all remotely intelligent gamers everywhere, shut UP.

Every day the internet continues to prove just how low humanity can sink.

@6.7:

Your disagree is probably either from the bigot himself, or from the random person who agreed with the bigot in his original post.
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Alexander Roy - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Why do you people need to start the flaming? If you can't contribute in a productive way, just let it be.
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solsub - 585 days 19 hours ago
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But then LIVE would'nt be fun anymore :(
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sonarus - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Yea ps owners are like soooo gay.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=... that is what we do after each level of uncharted http://www.youtube.com/watc... and that is after every level of ratchet and clank :D
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Atomic - 585 days 19 hours ago
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everyone knows if your gay, just buy a Wii , i think everyone would agree with that , there is a reason it's called Wii
i'm just kidding , i have nothing against gays.
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Scerick - 585 days 19 hours ago
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@ 6.5: I see what you did there.

Edit:

beardtm I just wanted you to know you're the first person I've reported and given negative feedback to.
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solidjun5 - 585 days 19 hours ago
6.7 - beardtm
please leave the board and never come back!

EDIT:

Oh, wow a disagree for telling a bigot to leave the site.

i must feel special /SARCASM
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Iron Man 2 - 585 days 19 hours ago
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Comment has been reported as offensive and minus feedback has been given,that comment is so lame it's not even funny.

I can't believe the gamertag "thegayergamer" offended some people,it's just a gamertag people,it won't kill you!
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Uncommon Calibur - 585 days 19 hours ago
7 - not surpirsed
you just have to get used to the big pile of steaming bile that is xbox live. Its probably the best and the worst online service ever created...It takes away my hope for the future generation...
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Scerick - 585 days 19 hours ago
8 - Hmmm...
Well after playing Halo 3 on Live, reading this thread, and reading some of the comments in here it's no wonder I decided not to renew my Live subscription.

Bigotry is lame.
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Mr Bun - 585 days 19 hours ago
9 - MS is just going with the majority...
The term "gay" is used more as an insult than as an identifier of sexual preference. That is why it is offensive. I guess if more people used "straight" in their gamertag, then it might be accepted. It is 3 letters that you can no longer use in that sequence...there are a million different letter combinations that people find offensive so I say get over it. People are offended easy...for example...why can't I have the gamertag "fukshi!cokballscunt" ;...that's not even a word...just a series of letters in a sequence that people identify with and find offensive...I can't even spell out that sequence properly for this example!
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xxspaceMonkeyxx - 585 days 19 hours ago
10 - Backwards
Is this the 1980's?

I'm not gay but if I was, would it make any difference to any of you?

I'm an atheist. Would my gamer tag be deleted if it were "atheistGamer" because small minded people (American evangelicals probably) complained?
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Scerick - 585 days 19 hours ago
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I think it's more okay to be atheist than it is to be gay. At least in my experience.
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Silellak - 585 days 19 hours ago
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On a vaguely related note, "GodlessGamer" would be a cool Gamertag.

But yeah, I think the real message to take from this story is that people are offended by stupid, stupid things and need to grow some thicker skin and realize that their view of the world is not the only one.
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Mr Bun - 585 days 19 hours ago
10.3 - @spacemonkey
It is funny that you would relate godless and gay as both are abominations of the "church"...just sayin'

@ Silellack..."GodlessGamer " would be cool!
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xxspaceMonkeyxx - 585 days 17 hours ago
10.4 - And that is incorrect because....?
I personally don't regard them as abominations, far from it.

You are dead on in mentioning the church because fundaMENTALIST Christians, the Bible and the Church certainly do, (especially the catholic and evangelical)

Christianity, The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... emmmmm...yeah...sounds plausible

The church is wrong about a lot of things.
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u got owned - 585 days 19 hours ago
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when you go to a place full of guys and start yelling that you are gay, you are asking for trouble. Thats the same thing with the gamer tag, i mean if you are gay, i dont have any problem with that, i have couple of gay friends, but dont go around telling people the you are the gayer gay because then you are asking for trouble.

I think MS took the right desicion.

@ below

Well if Xbox live was full of girls im pretty sure that would you get harassed with that gamertag, see where im going, with that gamertag you are just asking for trouble. I think it goes beyand been gay or not.
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Scerick - 585 days 19 hours ago
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This is very flawed logic. If my gamertag was L0vesb0obs01 I'd never get harassed for it. Microsoft might eventually catch on and change it, but as a whole the community wouldn't think twice about it.

Saying you're gay is no more than stating you're a Lakers fan. He didn't ASK for anything, accept to be able to be himself in public venues.

Edit:

I still don't feel it's asking for anything. It's more a problem with American society (I can't speak for other countries since I only live here.) and specifically the demographic that plays on Xbox Live.
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ceee227 - 585 days 13 hours ago
11.2 - I think...
that you would get sh!t for being a Lakers fan. So the logic is not THAT flawed.

It depends on the person. There are some real @ssholes out there.
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