Why Microsoft Newton is a stupid idea

wiizy - 615 days 12 hours ago

its a great idea. it will prove that wii deserve to be the leader.

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The Kingslayer - 615 days 11 hours ago

I thought this guy was going to have something useful and a new perspective about the controller.

Let's just for argument sake use his idea about games on the Wii being good without motion control. My question would be to him, how many AAA titles does the 360 have without a gimmick like motion control? I'd say on average better games then more than half the Wii line-up.

Here's why motion control could be great for the Xbox 360.

A) Independent game development- The fact that over 200,000 thousand XNA members are working on the XNA technology for games in some capacity. You are talking about professional studios, University students, and hobbyists. There could be an influx of next-gen independent gaming that would revolutinize the industry. Just take a look at that Diswasher game, and some of the other Dream build titles. Remove the blinders and stop thinking of just the big studios. Microsoft has made the tools to the Xbox 360 development available on all levels. So expect it to continue with this controller as well.

B)XBLA games- An entire category of new games can sprout up from the big studios who have looked at the Wii and wanted more. Imagine playing the new Bionic Commando game with Wiimote like control, or a new Castlevania.

C) Xbox live- Do you have any idea how fast you can get all those older adults playing the Wii into a system with an intergrated online service? They can go from playing a game, adding friends easily, to then hitting up marketplace for a movie rental. All with the ease of a controller similar to what they are used to.

D)Next-gen gaming- Can you imagine what this controller can do for a game like Halo Wars, the next Bioshock, Mass Effect, Top Spin 3 (you could be talking the best sports games this generation with that alone. Just look at Wii sports!).

The smartest thing Microsoft could do is bundle this new controller with the traditional controller so people have a choice between them. Get acclaimated to both and just use the one they like the best. I believe they can co-exist, and the Xbox 360 gamer wins. Because by doing this, the 360 brings together the casual and hardcore in one nice Nike swoosh.

Microsoft would be able to capitalize on the fact that they actually have a next-gen system that is doing well. Has the best games currently, and is starting to be competiviley priced against the Wii. Add to the fact that there is relatively low amount of shovelware on the system. Which is a trend that Microsoft would continue. Think about this, Rare is in charge of the controller's design and implementation. What happens if their first showcase of the controller is with the new Banjoo game? If the title does use it, and the game is stellar next-gen gaming. All bets are off buddy...Because I'd take Gears of War 3 with this control (better be great though) over Mario Galaxy any day.

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kewlkat007 - 615 days 11 hours ago

the dumbest and most stupidest Idea when MS tries something..whatever it may be.

At least have some good reasoning..at the same time I like others to play devils advocate.

There is always the other side of things, some just choose to look at the negatives, unless their console of choice was doing it.(whatever it may be)

All this stuff is good for competition, in the end.

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green - 615 days 11 hours ago

They can spin it anyway they want but it,s a good idea

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Ureval - 615 days 11 hours ago

This guy is just flaming, and his opinion is deeply flawed. Obviously, yes, some past games wont be able to integrate the controller, but who the hell plays Shadowrun anymore anyway? Just stupid. As long as Halo Gears or COD use it what else matters?

Having said that, if it is to work they want it to, they have to put more interest in their casual games, and not just put out junk. All they need is one stellar party game, akin to WiiSports or Mario Party, and along with XBLA, it will work. So far Nintendo has yet to release a killer Mario Party that implements the controller very well. Maybe Xbox will take Banjo Kazooie and make it their casual gamer mascot, or maybe Viva Pinata.

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jiinn - 615 days 11 hours ago

REPORT this as spam guys -- this shouldnt even be on this site.

Who the *f* is opiniondebug.com? Opinion debug? What?

ANYTHING that flames MS gets approved here eh?

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IntelligentAj - 615 days 10 hours ago

I really don't want to see MS go down this road. As fun as the Wii is, I don't like the motion controls too much. I guess if they used it as a gimmick or as a second or third option behind the controller then I wouldn't mind.

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proArchy - 615 days 10 hours ago

it will allow developers to make the same games for Wii and 360. Whats bad about this? Nothing!
Sony should reinvision their BDremote control too! With analog nubs like the psp, and motion control. The casual games market is huge, and this would allow companies to capitalize on all 3 consoles. More moneys for the industry is a good thing

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DoubleD305 - 615 days 10 hours ago

Posting of material like this cheapens N4G- N4G should not be used for the pupose of giving some fool with incredibly biased views there 15 minutes of shame.

If the 360 WiiMote bombs it wont sell. M$ wont bundle it unless its huge. It wont be integrated into new games and selling it by itself is no more stupid then selling Guitar Hero with a game. Its a great idea and if it bombs its not going to hurt M$ one bit and the fact this is so obvious is why this post is garbage to begin with cause it makes no sense. Its just biased silly opinion.

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IntelligentAj - 615 days 10 hours ago

Yeah there is an exceptional amount of hate in this article

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kingme71 - 615 days 9 hours ago

Unfortunately, this is coming too late to the party. I think it would have been a great idea had it come out at launch or shortly thereafter. The problem now is even if they bundle it with new 360's, there are nearly 20 million users that don't have it. Why would a developer support it if most of the 360 owners don't have it (can you count on them buying one)? Sure they could give the option of classic controller or motion controller, but that's more work for the developer and at what gain?

There are some games that are just easier to play with a motion controller and definitely the Wii has alot of games where the motion control is just tacked on. Some of them work well like Zelda, Zack and Wiki, Metroid, but the majority don't.

I think Wii Sports has as much to do with the Wii's success as the Wii itself. it instantly gave the motion control credibility and gave consumers a tangible idea of how it could be used. MS would definitely need their killer app like Wii Sports to make the motion control a success.

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tplarkin7 - 615 days 8 hours ago

I suppose it won't cost much to make one, so it's no loss. However, it's a waste. Despite the massive sales of the Wii, I still believe the Wiimote is a novelty. Just look at the way Nintendo is behaving and you will see that the Wiimote is failing.

They are making a standard controller for Japan (which will no doubt come to the US and Europe). They are allowing the use of the GC controller in many of their games.

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Jason 360 - 615 days 8 hours ago

It's better to be the first one to copy the Wii, than be the last one.

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pshizle - 615 days 8 hours ago

its a good move

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Vulcan Raven - 615 days 4 hours ago

This newton idea seems bogus, personally it feels like an act of desperation.

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strembones - 615 days 3 hours ago

Honestly I believe MS just doesn't have anything left in the tank for the 360. They hampered themselves by selling the arcade version. I believe they know the writing is on the wall with the battle against ps3 so they need to do something. This idea honestly is just stupid. Have they seen the wii numbers??? WE ALL HAVE ONE ALREADY!!!!

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edonus - 615 days 2 hours ago

Whenever someone is adding something as an option and not taking anything away and someone still has something negative to say, it is a clear indication of them being scared of what could be accomplished.

This article is stupid. Why does every previous game released before it have to work with it?...They dont. They can make specialized games for the peripheral, just lke Guitar Hero and Rock Band, but a controller like this wouls have even more versatility. And since the 360 is a all around more powerful system with more feature than the Wii I sure it can deliver something worth while.

OH yeah the sixaxis, motion features suck.

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JasonX43 - 615 days 1 hour ago

I don't like the Wii, and I think copying the Wii is an even dumber idea!

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TheJBag - 614 days 22 hours ago

I am not a fan of the wii. i am however one of nintendo, and microsoft, and sony.

i am not a fanboy of any console (i think its retarted being one, its jst a company.)

anyway, i dont like gimmicks, and i think the newton will be one.
how can you go from shunning the wii mote one day to copying it the other (360 and ps3)

I dont think this is needed just some cash in by microsoft to make a buck based on how the new infux of casual gamers thanks to the wii.

i hope this falls through.

if i want partygames that ill play for a week ill buy a Wii.

however if i want Real games, games with depth not gimmicks which i do, i turn to the ps3 and 360.

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Mike134nl - 614 days 20 hours ago

I hoped they would do something like the splitable controller from in2games.

http://www.engadget.com/200...

That way they could have had both the normal xbox 360 controller + one motion detection controlelr, possible even superiour to that of the ps3and Wii.

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Eoco - 614 days 19 hours ago

Hey guys. I wrote this article and I don't understand why ppople are calling me biased.

I cannot be biased against Nintendo. In the articvle I praised the quality of Wii games.

I cannot be biased against Microsoft. The 360 is my main console and I play it every day. I love it as a platform and think the games are great (but not in need of motion sensing).

I can't be biased against Sony as they were not even mentioned in the article.

Eoco

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Eoco - 614 days 19 hours ago

Sory for the typos, in the previous comment. I'm in a bit of a rush.

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juuken - 614 days 17 hours ago

And how is this supposed to help M$? They still haven't fixed the RROD completely and they're considering ripping off of Nintendo now?

Real smooth.

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DragonKnight - 614 days 15 hours ago

Lots of stone cold whiners here.

First, I like to say that IN MY OPINION (meaning it's not fact), motion sensing is an epic fail. It always has been, it always will be.

I own a Wii, and I haven't played it in months because the thing is boring. Everything about it is boring. The games, the motion sensing, even the consoles design is just boring. I live with people who could be called casual gamers (meaning they don't game as often as I do, but they do enjoy a good play session every now and then) and even they don't play the Wii that much anymore.

Motion sensing is an old technology that has never been completely successful in any facet of gaming. PowerGlove, U-Force, multiple PC controllers, those big arcade machines. I really think that people are giving the Wiimote far more credit than it deserves for the Wii's success. It's the price of the console, not the controller, that's responsible for the Wii's success. Don't believe me? Look at third party games. They suck. There is really no indication that the Wiimote is the reason for the Wii's success.

Having motion sensing controllers is just a lame idea. The Wiimote, the SIXAXIS, and now the Newton should never have come into existence.

BTW, to those people saying it's a good idea because of Indie development, Sony is proving you don't need motion sensing to have good independant games. I mean, look at LBP. I know it's not an indie game, but it's not dependent on motion sensing.

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wallace1000 - 614 days 14 hours ago

The most important thing about this remote if it exists, is that it must be designed to fly through the air as well as the Wii remote. That way there will be more funny videos on youtube of people putting holes in tvs and walls :-)

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Iceman100x - 614 days 14 hours ago

If they don't want to end up in last place like the ps3 then they better not bring this embarassing thing out, because nintendo own's that Territory.

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 614 days 13 hours ago

I don't know guys...

It's actually more precise to use the motion controls on Warhawk...

Also, these games make full use of it...and it's more fun:

- Ratchet and Clank
- Uncharted
- Unreal Tournament III
- Heavenly Sword
- Pain
- High Velocity Bowling
- flOw
- Folklore

MGS4 is supposed to have the best uses so far...

I can't wait!

I think it's a bit late for Microsoft though.

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lifeinhisway - 614 days 11 hours ago

It would be a great idea to repackage the original Xbox with a motion control. Just make the last generation games a bit more exciting. Oh wait....that is copying Nintendo...

Last Gen Hardware Sales:

PS2 - 120 Million +
Xbox - 24 Million
Gamecube Repackaged (Wii) - 23.89 Million
Original Gamecube - 21.72 Million

Just because the Wii launched this generation, doesn't mean it is next -gen.

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power of Green - 615 days 11 hours ago

Wii has proven this is what gamers wan't its the future!, saying its a bad idea has agenda written all over it. I would worry too with MSFT's software know-how. etc.

The Kingslayer... Friggin great! post...

Nintendo would be in serious trouble if a well rounded powerful console like the 360 was cheap and offered this so called motion revolution casual consumers fell in love with and MSFT's other competition would worry about MSFT getting it out first and doing it better.

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eagle21 - 615 days 10 hours ago

This will be popular only to those owning an xbox. Nothing more.

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brothersimon - 615 days 10 hours ago

PS3 girls are just.. well.. jealous.

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Vulcan Raven - 615 days 6 hours ago

I like the subtle integration of sixaxis in some games (HS, R&C) the others are not done so well. The Wii games are good but i wish the sensor bar was better. It only has like a 12 foot range. It would be nice if they had some IR sensors built in the corners of tv's. This newton idea seems bogus, personally it feels like an act of desperation.

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KBDuB - 615 days 5 hours ago

"‘New 360 remote isn’t down to earth’ or ‘360 Motion control, a bad apple waiting to fall’" Those are great.. hehe=]

Anyway.. I don't think it's good idea for this but I do agree with POG to a point.. Well, not necessarily, but I think Motion Sensing technology is the future of gaming, if it works out right.. Sorta like this one arcade shooter I was playin years ago.. you get a lil gun thingy an then you dodge the bullets by just leaning to the left and right and crouching. It was pretty damn fun, too.

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