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Mark Rein about UT3 User Mods on Xbox360 (Interview)

* Are you any closer to resolving the problem of getting user-gen content into the Xbox 360 version?
* Not yet but we're hopeful. Microsoft hasn't said "no" yet, but then they haven't said "yes" either. We need them to say "yes," and we need them to do it soon.

* So it's technically possible?
* Sure. I mean, you can go onto the console and copy your songs on to it and play movies off a memory card - the machine's capable of allowing you to transfer your content around, and even letting you play your music while playing many games.

* So why wouldn't Microsoft say yes? Is there a fear of losing control of Xbox Live?
* Well, yeah and we don't fault them for that. They've got a closed system where everything's checked, users know the quality of everything they download, and you know it won't crash your machine. User generated content - well, it can be dangerous, you could theoretically download a mod that uses too much memory and crashes your machine.

I think Sony are real pioneers in this - I think they deserve a lot of credit for letting us do this. They're really doing something different, and it hints at what they want to do with the PlayStation Network in the future. They're definitely on the right track!

If it doesn't work out with Xbox 360, depending on sales of the game on that platform, I imagine we'll find a few of the best mods and get them on Xbox Live Marketplace. I don't think 360 users are going to suffer drastically - they're just going to miss out on a lot of crazy, cool fun stuff and the ability to exchange it among themselves. They may also end up paying for content that is free on other systems because Microsoft now has to host it and certify it. But I'm confident Microsoft will look at what's happened with UT3 on the PS3 so far and think, 'Well, we'll take that baby step with you,' because what we've done so far really is just a baby step if you think about it. You've got to go online, you gotta download the mod, and you're responsible for putting it on your machine yourself. There are some exceptions - there are mutators, which modify how gameplay works, that are pretty small - and we let those auto download, but most of the other stuff you've got to go and say 'I'm going to install this on my machine.' We hope to change that in the future.

So it really is the user knowing what he's doing. He's not accidentally going to a server which has this really horrific mod on it... and if you do find a horrific mod we have a way to make sure that people can't serve that mod for other users. I think we're going to do much more with the PS3 version - maybe have an easier way to download mods, a way to auto download some that have been approved, ideas like that. We're looking at ways of taking the mod scene and making it better and broader.

The game is up and running on Xbox 360 - it has been for a long time, and its running wonderfully - it just doesn't have any Xbox Live written into it yet so that's the work that remains

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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 697 days 21 hours ago
1 - "So why wouldn't Microsoft say yes? Is there a fear of losing control of Xbox Live?"
"Well, yeah and we don't fault them for that. They've got a closed system where everything's checked, users know the quality of everything they download, and you know it won't crash your machine. User generated content - well, it can be dangerous, you could theoretically download a mod that uses too much memory and crashes your machine.

I think Sony are real pioneers in this - I think they deserve a lot of credit for letting us do this. They're really doing something different, and it hints at what they want to do with the PlayStation Network in the future. They're definitely on the right track!

If it doesn't work out with Xbox 360, depending on sales of the game on that platform, I imagine we'll find a few of the best mods and get them on Xbox Live Marketplace. I don't think 360 users are going to suffer drastically - they're just going to miss out on a lot of crazy, cool fun stuff and the ability to exchange it among themselves. They may also end up paying for content that is free on other systems because Microsoft now has to host it and certify it. But I'm confident Microsoft will look at what's happened with UT3 on the PS3 so far and think, 'Well, we'll take that baby step with you,' because what we've done so far really is just a baby step if you think about it. You've got to go online, you gotta download the mod, and you're responsible for putting it on your machine yourself. There are some exceptions - there are mutators, which modify how gameplay works, that are pretty small - and we let those auto download, but most of the other stuff you've got to go and say 'I'm going to install this on my machine.' We hope to change that in the future."

the main parts.....

-"I don't think 360 users are going to suffer drastically - they're just going to miss out on a lot of crazy, cool fun stuff and the ability to exchange it among themselves."

Such a funny way to say what they said

-"I think Sony are real pioneers in this - I think they deserve a lot of credit for letting us do this. They're really doing something different, and it hints at what they want to do with the PlayStation Network in the future. They're definitely on the right track!"

That`s nice to hear.

-"They may also end up paying for content that is free on other systems because Microsoft now has to host it and certify it."

Wow.
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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 697 days 20 hours ago
1.1 - to to let everyone know.
if you disagree w/ me/this comment.

you disagree w/ MARK REIN not ME.

so....................
1.2 aaquib5 | 697 days 20 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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Gina-get-u - 697 days 20 hours ago
1.3 -
You added a "wow" which, in context, was a very loaded word. "Wow" reflects your feelings/reaction/opinion, not that of Mark Rein. So, people can disagree with your "wow."
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Capt CHAOS - 697 days 20 hours ago
1.4 - Wow, you're sounding pretty paranoid.
Firstly, disagreeing with your comment isn't about disagreeing with what's being said in the main article, It's your interpretation, your attempt at highlighting certain elements and your attempt at making the PS3 approach seem better.

We need a half-way house. I want the stuff that's downloaded and checked, I don't want to wade through loads of stuff, trying out stuff after stuff until I find something that is actually good.

However, if it's something that has to be paid for then it's a no-go, but there are plenty of games out there that have released free add-ons, so I don't see why this can't be done here either.

I know my 360 is safe from viruses at the moment because of this tight control on down loadable content.

ps. Don't cut and paste the entire article into your message, it's a waste of space.
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Chuck Norris - 697 days 20 hours ago
1.5 -
Looking forward for a Walker Texas Ranger mod.
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scottie2521 - 697 days 18 hours ago
1.6 - i hope more devs add mods to their games in the future
i just can't see MS ever doing this because they want to charge for for EVERYTHING.

they even charge for themes! you think they're gonna let you get FREE game content? keep dreaming....
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mikeslemonade - 697 days 17 hours ago
1.7 -
Another reason why XBL is overated. It's a closed service so you have pay for more things where as you would get certain things for free on PSN.
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Sarick - 697 days 9 hours ago
1.8 - I think
MS has plans to announce they are going to open up Live a little and remove some of these restrictions to compete with Sony.

This as all rumors and speculation but i'm sure MS understands the ups and downs of this. If MS does do this it'll be probably by announced at the GDC.

Still considered how much control MS would lose from live I have optimism when I consider this possibly.
2 Rocko | 697 days 20 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 697 days 20 hours ago
2.1 - who said that?
or are you just making that up?

i never heard anyone say that.

i could be wrong, though.
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kewlkat007 - 697 days 20 hours ago
2.2 - HAHA , I knew it, If the PC version was complete and released
one would be a fool to think the 360 version was not "EASILY" ported.

"They've got a closed system where everything's checked, users know the quality of everything they download, and you know it won't crash your machine. User generated content - well, it can be dangerous, you could theoretically download a mod that uses too much memory and crashes your machine."

As you can see, Which I have said all along, The 360 is a closed Hardware console, so MS dictates a lot when it comes to user-created content. Which has nothing to do with the 360 not being able to technically handle it.

Hey this is nothing new, MS is close with their Architecture..hopefully they loosen up a bit, and see how Sony is doing it. Again once instance where one console will push the other, in terms of leniency and flexibility.(Hopefully)

Just like "Prices" we all win in the end. I think MS wanted Sony to be the Guinea pig and see how this all pans out..
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P4KY B - 697 days 20 hours ago
2.5 - PanZeRFaust14 you are correct
Even when all the early screen shots were from the 360. 'Certain' Poeple claimed it didn't exist.
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P4KY B - 697 days 20 hours ago
2.6 - double post.
sorry
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Kleptic - 697 days 20 hours ago
2.7 -
well whoever said it was not running on a 360 was an idiot...it was shown running on a 360 dev kit way back in like late 2005, before Gears I thought...

but what most were saying was that Epic should not even bother with UT3 for the 360, and focus on Gears 2...No matter what it looks or sounds like, if UT3 doesn't get full UGC support similar to the PS3 version...its a much weaker version...and if "a few mods" get thrown on XBL for a fee...that is plain advertising for the PSN, on MS's behalf...

this could end up to what happened to the PS3 for a lot of last year...the PS3 version would be delayed...and gimped...with UT3 its the total opposite...there are people in this thread that use to do most of the crap slinging in situations like that last year...you're telling me you won't mind being at the business end of your own gun?
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Keowrath - 697 days 19 hours ago
2.8 -
Anego, it's true, sadly there were a few people spouting such things. Are you really surprised though? You know how this site was before the update.
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Ashta - 697 days 18 hours ago
2.9 - Hey
PanZerFaust: This section of the site is required for civil and logical discussion upon the certain aspects of the gaming topic.

You, are trying to incite a console war discussion which is forbidden in the GamingZone. Go to the OpenZone is you want to leave incendiary comments like the ones your filling the pages with here.
2.10 Rocko | 697 days 17 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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sonarus - 697 days 17 hours ago
2.11 - @ kewlkat
You fanboys that worship msoft/sony are incredible. lol Msoft uses closed system so you don't get mods so in the end everybody wins. Sony is considered as a pioneer for ushering it in for consoles you refer to them as guinea pigs. Honestly UT3 without mods is useless as far as i am concerned cus 360 version will be the only one standing without mod support
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kewlkat007 - 697 days 16 hours ago
2.12 - sorry you didn't quite comprehend Instead "DEFEND SONY" at all cost.
@sonarus

Here is what I said:

"Hey this is nothing new, MS is close with their Architecture..hopefully they loosen up a bit, and see how Sony is doing it. Again once instance where one console will push the other, in terms of leniency and flexibility.(Hopefully)"

MS just like Windows OS has always been closed, this is not free linux in terms of their OS, so you bet, it has been the same with the 360 and it's OS, was my point. You don't make money on anything Free do you?

As far as the Guinea Pigs, I was reffering to MS, maybe seeing how this MOD business goes on the PS3, before they loosen up about their OS and the Xbox 360. Which if it goes well, it will help xbox gamers in the end.

"Honestly UT3 without mods is useless "as far as i am concerned" cus 360 version will be the only one standing without mod support"
"AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED"...hahahahahaha , Riiiiiiight.

Learn to read..will ya. I play all consoles, in this order 360, PS3, wii, PC/MAME, in terms of games I have.
3 THE TERMINATOR | 697 days 20 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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Captain Tuttle - 697 days 20 hours ago
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There's not much incentive on Microsoft's part to give up control...UT3 isn't exactly a big seller on PC or the PS3. Too bad really.
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Lucreto - 697 days 20 hours ago
4.1 -
Well it hasn't been released in Europe yet so we will have to wait until then before coming up with conclusions.
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Captain Tuttle - 697 days 19 hours ago
4.2 - Good point...
But I'd bet that sales in Europe will be lackluster as well. That's just my gut feeling.
When will it be released in Europe?
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f7ss1 - 697 days 20 hours ago
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those mods are great, i especially like that i can download full multiplayer maps for free. THat flat wars map is pretty fun
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SCThor - 697 days 20 hours ago
6 - What??
"So why wouldn't Microsoft say yes? Is there a fear of losing control of Xbox Live?
* Well, yeah and we don't fault them for that. They've got a closed system where everything's checked, users know the quality of everything they download, and you know it won't crash your machine. User generated content - well, it can be dangerous, you could theoretically download a mod that uses too much memory and crashes your machine."

The Xbox 360 doesn't need a user content to crush itself. Sadly poor manucture process lead that console to face many problems in production, that's why MS don't want another "thing" that may crush the system.

Just think about this, what about a mod or mutator that run smoothly on the PS3 but crush the Xbox 360? what people will immediatly think about this?.
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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 697 days 20 hours ago
6.1 - i was thinking that aswell.
i don`t know if they can handle any MORE potential problems going on within that box.
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Wile - 697 days 18 hours ago
6.2 - Anego and ScThor
What's with all this weak fanboy garbage? Take this crap to the Open Zone please...it's not welcome here.
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The_Engineer - 697 days 15 hours ago
6.3 - no wile
they actually have a VERY valid point, MS can talk to devs and let them know where and where not to push the 360 in terms of processing. User generated mods would by nature try to squeeze every bit of juice out of the console and then it's RROD time.
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Mercutio - 697 days 20 hours ago
7 - You can see he is mad a Microsoft for letting the 360onwers down
he is saying the ps3 is not better than the 360 but Sony is better then microsoft.
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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 697 days 20 hours ago
7.1 - yep.
he indirectly say alot of stuff in that interview!
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moparful99 - 697 days 20 hours ago
7.2 -
He never said nor implied that the ps3 wasnt better then the 360. You're twisting his words around and this is exactly what starts flame wars. Of course he never said that the ps3 was better the 360, the only thing he is saying is that sony is more of a pioneer and more willing to go out on a limb to bring content to the consumer. Does this make sony better? I love sony but I dont think it makes them better it just shows the commitment to progress and the willigness to improve confidence in the consumers mind for their product. Sony has always innovated, always pushed the boundaries, and alwasy delivered. Have they made mistakes? Of course, what game company for that matter has not? Mistakes will happen but its the ability of said company to rebound and redirect momentum into avenues that work. Microsoft has made many mistakes over the last two console generations but they have also done some things better then anyone else i.e. Xbox Live. But when the quality of your products is called into question thats something which is hard to overcome.
8 WilliamRLBaker | 697 days 20 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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Keowrath - 697 days 19 hours ago
8.1 -
83% for PC and 86% for PS3 are low scores?
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ravinash - 697 days 19 hours ago
8.2 -
UT3 as i have to keep saying...has not arrived in Europe yet which is where the large part of the PS3/UT3 market is.

You should be hoping that MS are watching whats happening here, as this can only mean good things for MS Live users if they do open it up.
I've never heard of more options as being a bad thing.
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scottie2521 - 697 days 17 hours ago
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i wonder what UT3 will score on the 360 since most (if not all) of the mods won't be there and even some of the maps that are in the PC/PS3 version will be missing.
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rawg - 697 days 16 hours ago
8.5 - UT3 might not be enough incentive on its own
Microsoft should still consider opening up their platform for mods and UGC. If they don't then they'll be forfeiting a potentially significant category of games to Sony.
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rmedtx888 - 697 days 20 hours ago
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MS may not want to allow mods to be fare to all their users since it will require a hard drive to install mods. People with no hard drive will not get that benefit.
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ravinash - 697 days 19 hours ago
9.1 -
That hasen't stop online play for burnout paradise needing a hard drive to work.
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McValdemar - 697 days 20 hours ago
10 - Rein = completely nonsense
When I pay for a game I want alot of fun and all the "crazy things" from the developer.
Yes, importing user made content is interesting, but I guess that is all due to Epic and the way they handle it.
First I need to buy also the PC versione of the game (ABSURD) then I have to "cook" the mod (where cook=limit and check the mod if it might crash).

The way that Rein looks at this closure of MS simply shows how blind he is regarding keeping a quality level.

You simply can't take a mod on PC ans "wish" that will run fine on a console just because is the user that decides to install on the console.

The main difference between a console and a PC have always been in this.

Alla in all we're also talking too much about a fine FPS that FAILED to impress on PC and on PS3 even if Rein is telling us from YEARS that this was going to be "the big thing".
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kevoncox - 697 days 20 hours ago
10.1 -
People don't understand this....
Use created mods are ok but look at how backward it is too get them on the ps3. That user created mod is going to bite sony in the arse when glitchers and illegal mods plauge the system.
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Ju - 697 days 20 hours ago
10.2 -
I'm playing user mods and I don't have a PC (version). What are you saying ? If you want to create mods, well, yes, then you need to shelf out $50 for the editor, beside Maya and maybe Photoshop for a couple of hundreds, and what you also need is some talent. My biggest issue with all this is my talent, not the SW.
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Keowrath - 697 days 19 hours ago
10.3 -
McValdemar, UT III has not failed to impress on the PS3... Yet.

Ok, it didn't do so great on the PC but it has only been released in the States on the PS3. It get's released this month in Europe. Theres a bigger install base over here and I think it'll do ok. It might not be an amazing seller compared to the likes of CoD4 and Halo3 but I'm expecting to see a substantial boost when it does hit these shores.

Me? I love UT and I imported.
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Jason 360 - 697 days 19 hours ago
10.4 -
He is talking about creating mods and you do need the PC and PS3 version for that. You don't need another copy if your just going to play the mods.

Edit: PC owners spend $50 for the game and it comes with the tools to build mods, but PS3 owners pay $60 and they can only download, not make the mods. So who realy is getting the shaft? If I were buying this for my PS3 or 360 I would want the same as PC owners "especially" if I'm going to pay $10 more. Both the 360 and PS3 offer keyboard and mouse support to an extent, so why not the ability to create mods on my console?

IMO mods are to risky for consoles and it's not going to be long before PS3 owners start taking it in the rear for this. I don't know how many times I have had PC trouble from poorly made mods, hell my PC used to crash 5-6 times a day back when Counter Strike was still a mod.
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scottie2521 - 697 days 17 hours ago
10.5 - dumbest comment all day
"Both the 360 and PS3 offer keyboard and mouse support to an extent, so why not the ability to create mods on my console?"

do you realize how many programs are needed to create mods? it will never be possible to create mods on a console. it's funny that you think getting mods for free it a bad thing and paying for them off Live is a good thing.

your arguement about it hurting the system holds no water. maybe if i had a 360 i'd be worried about my system crashing but we don't have to worry about that with the ps3. if the mods doesn't work, delete it, and everything is fine. UT3mods.com is also a very good site that lets you know what mods work and what doesn't.

try again
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Ju - 697 days 15 hours ago
10.6 -
The funny thing is, the open system seems to work, while the closed system with all its spreading FUD crashes and burns all the time. Closed systems don't guarantee security. People should know that by now.
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Keowrath - 697 days 20 hours ago
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All said and done, Microsoft would be mad not to say yes to Epic. When a developer has produced one of your best games (Gears) and sold as many systems as it did, you'd be crazy to deny them a little extra freedom than the norm. Especially when your main competitor is allowing it.

Unreal Tournament is still probably my favourite FPS from when the original was released years ago. I know 360 owners don't like their machine being called a FPS box but it's obvious that A LOT of Xbox owners are shooter fans and Unreal Tournament is an amazing arena FPS. One of the things that make it such though is the freedom within the game from the UnrealED which expands the game an infinite amount with the use of Mods and Mutators.

Come on Microsoft, do the right thing for your users.
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