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PS3 Display: Limited vs RGB-Full

There have been a number of features added in the PS3's 1.80 firmware update; many of which have been overlooked. The PS3 now supports Super-White and x.v.Color output, playing Blu-ray movies at 24Hz, and now an RGB Full Range option is enabled for those with HDTV's that support it. This latter option increases the range of colours in PS3 playback, making both films and movies have a much wider range of colour. Continue to see the results for when RGB Full Range is enabled, and how to see if your TV supports it.

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Published: 708 days 14 hours ago | Video | PlayStation 3 | Industry News | Tech

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LSDARBY - 708 days 14 hours ago

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Detail is clearly better, and colour. I guess this shows why Comparison videos always show the PS3 version looking faded out.

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1.1 zambrota | 708 days 13 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

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Makroyale - 708 days 13 hours ago

1.2 - Huge Difference

I have a 60" Plasma Pioneer Kuro PDP-6010, which is one of the best displays you can buy, and there is a huge difference.

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kevoncox - 708 days 13 hours ago

1.3 - No one ever answers the question......

What does it matter?
If GT was the only site knocking the ps3 versions of 360 games then I would cry foul. However, these videos are just the visual represtation of dozens of reviews. RGB doesn't improve framerate and flat textures. Please face the music.

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rawg - 708 days 12 hours ago

1.4 - Noticeable difference

There's definitely a noticeable difference. It almost looks like the PS3/360 videos where the left side looks washed out compared to the right.

It seems pretty apparent after watching this that the old GT videos weren't fair comparisons if they didn't use RGB full.

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Raupet - 708 days 12 hours ago

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kevoncox I'll give it a shot :)

The reason as far as I can understand is that it's not fair to add another stone to the burden, even though it has worse quality. Thinking that it's okay is a sign that it's "okay" to mark down Multiplat games on the Ps3 just because it's on the Ps3, and not grade it on the games own attributes. An argument against that is of course that it's marked down BECAUSE it's the ps3 version and it won't run as good, but that's software on the game from the producers, not software on the console itself.

Hope that's a start. I'm in no way the right guy to argue with about this, since I really do not care about the comparisons themselves, but rather the concept of fair comparison. Which I hope we're all interested in, right? ;)

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C_SoL - 708 days 13 hours ago

2.1 - thats what I say....

but fanboys r gonna keep talkin their sh*t....

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jaja1434 - 708 days 13 hours ago

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Well to their credit they run the games on the console default setting to ensure that the videos are compared fairly. As in it wouldn't be right to keep one the same and tweak the other to increase it's visual display.

That said they should put some sort of disclaimer stating as much at the beginning of the video.

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Foliage - 708 days 11 hours ago

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The PS3 by default comes with composite cables. If you are using other wiring for your tests, shouldn't you adjust the settings to reflect the change?

Running the PS3 version on default is bull shat. Every setup is different, and not changing your settings to reflect your setup is simply retarded.

All games by default tend to have the default resolution at a 4:3 aspect ratio. Are you saying that widescreen users should judge their playing experience by keeping the absolute default settings? Of course not.

That might be a bad analogy, but it gets the point across.

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Shankle - 708 days 1 hour ago

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Well what I think they should do is use one TV to show both consoles, and maximise both consoles for that TV. That would actually show which console can provide a better picture.

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aiphanes - 708 days 14 hours ago

3 - Yep it is time to get a TV that can do Full RGB,,,24 fps and Deep Colour!

The PS3 was and is made for the future!

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Meus Renaissance - 708 days 14 hours ago

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The difference is actually bigger in reality than what it shows in this video.

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aiphanes - 708 days 14 hours ago

4.1 - Yep these videos are not even HD!

On a nice HD 1080p screen you can see the difference!

I got a friend who has a 73 inch 1080p DLP and the PS3 is simply amazing on this screen.

He has all the stuff turned on: RGB full, 24 FPS, SuperWhite...Some of this you can set to automatic.

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Marceles - 708 days 14 hours ago

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Yeah the guy recommends downloading his HD video to show the even bigger difference, and even that doesn't do it justice. Everyone that owns a PS3 with this setting enabled understands what we're talking about when we say RGB full looks a hell of alot better than limited in person, everyone else pfft...I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to convince them

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Adamalicious - 708 days 13 hours ago

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It really is. When I finally found out about it and turned it on it was like HOLY CRAP!

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I Make Stuff Up - 708 days 14 hours ago

5 - This does not work for all TV sets.

If your TV does not support full RGB, it will not work for you.
I have attached a test pattern that was once posted on the PS3 forums at Playstation.com.

Copy it to a memory card and use it to test your TV with the PS3 set to full RGB.
If you set it to full, and are NOT able to see the different shades of grey in the test image, your TV does not support it.
All you'll end up getting are muted greys that actually bleed into black meaning you will see less detail in dark scenes while gaming.

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kai_h - 708 days 12 hours ago

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What if you can see it when you turn up the brightness a little?

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I Make Stuff Up - 708 days 12 hours ago

5.2 - Good

Then you're good to go.

My TV does not support full RGB and all I see is a big black image regardless of how high I set my brightness.
Having to turn up the brightness a bit is fine. If you can see them (and you don't necessarily have to be able to see all of the grey blocks) you can use full RGB.

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Spinitus - 708 days 10 hours ago

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bullsh1t, ur monkeya55 just making stuff up lol. :D

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I Make Stuff Up - 708 days 7 hours ago

5.4 - Not this time

I usually just make fun of cr@p, but this time I'm being serious.

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moses - 708 days 14 hours ago

6 - hmm

The whole video it's self is kind of small, I'm guessing it doesn't really give the real difference any justice.

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Ri0tSquad - 708 days 14 hours ago

7 - For a second.......

I thought it was another xbox 360/ps3 game comparison.

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Marceles - 708 days 13 hours ago

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They're both RGB...but RGB Full Range pwns the RGB Limited setting.

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The Kingslayer - 708 days 13 hours ago

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So out the box, and off the bat my 360 looks better, and in order for me to experience full Hi-defness of a PS3 taking advantage of my new television. Wait what if I don't have a Hi-def tv that doesn't offer Full RGB, does that make all the comparison videos obsolete, and that gray film on PS3 games a pass? Or do I have to download a firmware that enables it to work again? Interesting...Yeah, those comparison videos are spot on...Guess what no firmware needed for my 360...Well except for 1080p, I thought it couldn't do it? Wait it's not native? Sort of like that full RGB on the PS3...Well to each his own I guess...

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Kyur4ThePain - 708 days 13 hours ago

9.1 - FW

Yes, just download the latest FW to the PS3 and you'll have the full RGB setting available.

Good luck downloading an HDMI output / Wi-Fi / HD format to the 360.
Oh, wait. You have to pay for those.

Well to each his own I guess...

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C_SoL - 708 days 13 hours ago

9.2 - fyi....

RGB refers to PS3 owners that use the HDMI output for their TV.....if ur using component or composite cables, IT WILL NOT affect the TV's display in anyway....THIS option is for HDMI users

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InYourMom - 708 days 11 hours ago

9.3 - @9.1

The 360's come with HDMI, HD format?? last time I checked the 360 does HD just fine and in several different formats. Yes you have to buy a wireless adaptor seperate but you can buy a 3rd party device for $30 and if you are using Wireless for gaming don't join my games.

You run along and keep on trying to smear the 360 now..

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xsteinbachx - 708 days 13 hours ago

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why is this on Standard definition, and not High Def.

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Marceles - 708 days 13 hours ago

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Here's the link to the HD version w/sound

http://www.megaupload.com/?...

...he just didn't upload it on GT

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FirstknighT - 708 days 13 hours ago

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So you have to tweak the ps3 to make games looks as good as the 360??? Seriously man, I'm betting that about 1% of ps3 owners know they can tweak their ps3.

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Kyur4ThePain - 708 days 13 hours ago

12.1 - My eyes.

I need to have them checked. I completely missed the phrase "360".

Was it fun buying the Wi-Fi thingamajiggy for the 360?
Or the HD DVD add on?
Or when you had to trade in your regular 360 for the "Elite" (that still cracks me up) just to get HDMI (and 1.2 at that)?

Sorry, no. You're just making yourself sound uneducated now.

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C_SoL - 708 days 13 hours ago

12.2 - ....

it only refers to people that are using HDMI....

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Whoooop - 708 days 13 hours ago

12.3 - haha

kyur keeps owning this guy every time

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InYourMom - 708 days 11 hours ago

13.1 - No RRoD

here. Not everyone experiences RRoD liar.

It's like they said in Fight Club; "given a long enough timeline the human survival rate drops to zero". It's the same thing with electronics or anything for that matter. Anyone can make a statement like yours. Eventually your car will break down.

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JBaby343 - 708 days 13 hours ago

14 - We've Been Over This

This debate is getting old. Everyone except extreme fanboys know what a huge difference it makes. I can tell you that on my Bravia the difference is quite clear. No more posts about this because it's not news anymore. Yes GT did do the PS3 a disservice by showing games the way they did but then every site had it in for the PS3 (many still do) in 2007. Moving on...

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The Kingslayer - 708 days 13 hours ago

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I wonder if people can actually afford the "Best" TV. Does it come with the best games?

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Cetra - 708 days 13 hours ago

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crappy video resolution, crappy example.

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chaosatom333 - 708 days 12 hours ago

17 - Makes a huge difference

luckily, I knew this before I bought the ps3. I have a CHEAP 32 hdtv tv and it clearly shows the difference when i switch from limited to Full. Even in the the background, I can see it so clearly. GT should compare xbox(elite) and ps3 on hdtvs with hdmi in 720p because this going to become a standard. They shouldn't even compare the versions if they don't take the RGB in their considerations. It's not like they need to buy a 1080p expensive hdtv or anything.

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whoelse - 708 days 11 hours ago

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High difference! :)

Superb

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Rice - 708 days 10 hours ago

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Its true doing this does not improve framerate and crap which most multiplatform games for ps3, have. But most people who compplained about comparisons mostly stated that the ps3 looked washed out and worse colour than the 360, so by doing this all comparisons videos do not longer apply to the ps3.

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Bloodshedder - 708 days 9 hours ago

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why is this so dark?? on bouth screens

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smokysmoke - 708 days 9 hours ago

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Yea really like sometimes when you see game clips or anything it doest have the right settings on... like come on people when u got ur ps3 didnt you adjust your ps3 and change the settings to look better? thats what the updates were for....

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shysun - 707 days 20 hours ago

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GT=OWNED!!

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BrotherNick - 707 days 19 hours ago

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As a third party, I would say the rgb full looks a lot better, I don't own a ps3 or 360.

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