German hardware charts for October, 2007 . ps3 rises to the top. Wii registers major drop

October:

PS3 - 37,000
Wii - 28,000
360 - 12,000

LTD:

Wii - 389,000
360 - 328,000
PS3 - 172,000

August + September:

Wii - 97,000
PS3 - 72,500
360 - 47,000

All these figures were released by GFK

[PimpHandHappy]

Its good to see Europe not being duped my MS. They know its a faulty machine and with all the anit-consumer lawsuits that have been filed in Europe you can bet it will remain Sony land.

~~FLAME ON~~

ADD ON

Rooftrenlen: You 4get the 360 had a 16month head start in Europe. So yea it is Sony land

[PS3PCFTW]

more anti xbot news. This is after all like poison to them.

wonderful. when will this war end?

edit: @1.2: thanks for proving my point. you guys love to post in ps3 section. y not go play some halo3......or is your box rrod?

honestly? no games to play....what is it? im stumped.

[Rooftrellen]

Wii - 389,000
360 - 328,000
PS3 - 172,000

That's Sony land?

The Wii has sold over twice as much, and the 360 is still two years away from the PS3 at this rate.

I mean, I don't really care about Germany, but if Germany has turned from the land of chocolate to Sony, it has a lot of converting to do.

Edit: @1.3

But the Simpsons said Germany is where everything is made of chocolate...even the animals!

[Baba1906]

switzerland is a land of chocolate =P germany is more the land of cars or beer. =D

[shmee]

in just 8 months ps3 has crossed 60% of x36's base in a range of 23 months....so u even know that its over for x360 worldwide except NA.

by this XMAS ps3 would overtake the x360 in terms of LTD in EU. ps3 would do the same to wii next year by march, 2008

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@Shmee

I agree that eventually PS3 will get over total sales of 360 on Europe, but not this xmas... Nor will it get over Wii by March... I mean, you know Wii are in shortage everywhere but Japan, right?

[Rooftrellen]

Even if you think the PS3 will pass the 360 (and I would agree, it will), you're thinking far too short term.

Another $200 is going to have to drop from the price to really make it move consoles (even the Wii has not hit the mass market price yet). It also needs at least one or two of its big name games next year.

I think before holiday season '09, the PS3 will be ahead of the 360 in worldwide sales, though. This holiday will likely be close, and next holiday the PS3 will beat the 360 to get very close, I believe.

I wish the PS3 would pass the 360 this Christmas, but that's unrealistic.

[Leg-End]

go pswii

[scrillakiller]

the beast is awoke.surly everyone knew this.its the name playstation.dont act shocked

[TheExodus]

It could just be me, but I think these sales figures posts are getting out of hand & aren't really news when you start fracturing continents for positive spin. We all know 360 & Wii are both outselling PS3 in NA, but what if PS3 happens to outsell 360 & Wii combined in North Dakota? Is that news worthy? I'm thinking not, but again, it could just be me.

[dantesparda]

"but what if PS3 happens to outsell 360 & Wii combined in North Dakota? Is that news worthy? I'm thinking not, but again, it could just be me."

LOL! Thats a good one, i like that! but actually i would like to know that, but that's just me. But what's interesting to me is to see how this ratio of 360 beating out the PS3 in NA to PS3 beating out the 360 in other countries is going to play out. Personally, i dont want either to win, but rather even out. Cuz it'll mmake both work harder

To tell you's the trust, (and Im sorry for this Sony fanboys [no insult intended]) I think the way it is now is possibly the best way it could be. Cuz MS in a attempt to beat Sony and stay ahead of Sony, is trying their best (or so I would think) to stay ahead, by giving us everything they think beats Sony or makes their system look better. Therefore giving us oodles-noodles of goodness in the process. And Sony in an attempt to fight back and regain its crown is definitely trying their best to counter MS. Giving us a probably much better PS3 than it would have been had it not been losing to MS right now. I garauntee you's we would not be getting nearly as many firmware updates as we are if it wasnt for the competition, or demo's, HOME, the little XBLA like games, the price drop, Killzone 2 would not be as good as they are trying to make it, the rumble and so on. So competition is good. And Sony fanbopys are actually winning out more than they think from this current situation with MS. So let the race go on, and may we all prosper from this!

And P.S. can we all stop fighing over this!? i mean come on, after all its only video games. We are all cut from the same cloth (gamers). And are realy like cousins (PS3 fans & 360 fans), in this game

[Bladestar]

wow... they buy american products in Germany? I rather to not try to make the relationship... but the 2 contries where the xbox 360 are not selling too good (Germany and Japan) were both against United State during WW2... and got their @$$ kicked thanks to the US (in part). coincidense?

[dhammalama]

Drop some more nuclear bombs why don't ya. But make sure to arrange something first, you know, to get public support.

[unlimited]

war is stupid!! no one wins just more death to innocent people life..i wouldnt buy fautly console either from microsoft..the 360 isnt overtaking europe either the ps3 is doing better..

what a suprise the 360 is doing better in NA..lol..

[Foliage]

You might have a point there. The world does hate the US, and the xbox 360 sales suck everywhere outside the US.

Maybe the US is just so full of themselves.

[fenderputty]

What point are you trying to make? Even after the war, US dumped extremely large amounts into the German economy to help bring it back up. Japanese people love American Pop-Culture too and eat up the iPod. Are you honestly trying to draw some sort of WWII/electronics conspiracy theory up here. You sound absolutely insane.

[PimpHandHappy]

WE did not kick Germanys aZZ in WW2 fool. We didnt join the fight till 4 years in. Germany lost because they went up north 2 Russia in the middle of the winter. We did how ever give Japan a good beatin. If we had lost that war we wouldnt be the counrty we are. Are leaders would have gone to jail for war crimes. Google fire bombing of Japan then take a look at where the Japanesse is today

America would be nothing if we had 90% of are citys leveled to the ground! AND THATS A FACT

Look at New Orleans for all the proof u need

[Laexerias]

What the hell is wrong with you?

[celticlonewolf]

At the bottem because if you look at vgcharts TOTALS for each system in germany they nearly match exactly what this article says. Now before you hit the disagree atleast look it up first and you will see that all 3 are really close to what is writen here. Remember vgcharts is not exact but to give a feel on roughly how many units are sold total. Plus doesnt deflating mean to reduce something so does that mean they ment the 360 and wii numbers were lower than they should be as well as the ps3?

[TheExodus]

Looks like the submitter is trying to prove that VGChartz is just an estimate with figures from GfK that are also just an estimate. I'm puzzled myself because when push comes to shove neither truly matter as developers will allocate resources based on hard numbers, not estimates.

[Maddens Raiders]

Ahh FAKE.

@Bladstar -I love the historical political/military complex scenario you bring up, but this only proves one thing: Civilized cultures can go to war - step back from the fray and see the big picture, and that picture is called progress, peace, money and baby-making. Americans buy French wine, buy Japanese cars, computers and TV's, German cars, Italian cars, and Chinese toys, trinkets, electronics etc, etc, etc.... so if Germany is proudly buying more PS3's now it only makes more sense. Yeah they see the American product for now (which is good) but they probably know in their hearts and minds (being mechanically inclined as they are) that the PlayStation is a better product. Hey when the next XBox comes out and it is more mechanically sound maybe they'll migrate back towards it, but for now the 360 is dead in countries where people know whats up and aren't buying something because they're brainwashed to buy it. Hey, I love America, but I also have common sense and am conscious about my spending.

The PS3 is just more value for my dollar and maybe I'm not the only one who thinks in this vain?

[dhammalama]

well said

[actas123]

"The PS3 is just more value for my dollar"
couldn't agree more. Its nice to read that some people are making sense.

[The Wood]

bubbles +. Its almost like patriotism gone too far in that most non us products will be attacked and media manipulated to sway the masses thus creating more attackers/haters (fanbois) and a false reality (The USA is the best at everything or the PS3 is crap). All countries/cultures do the same thing to be honest

[ElementX]

Europe doesn't release sales numbers. These numbers are made up by some 18yo sitting at a desk in his parents' basement.

[Meus Renaissance]

The GfK Group is the No. 5 market research organization worldwide. Its activities cover five business divisions Custom Research, Retail and Technology, Consumer Tracking, Media and HealthCare. It has a European chain, one in Germany so if you wanted to get a figure from retails you'd probably go to them.

For the UK, ChartTrack is the leading research organisation that provides its data to the BBC and other technology related firms that cover the games industry.

So Europe does keep track of these things and they do release data; but normally software data is the only thing that is provided by ChartTrack to the public (you have to pay to get the hardware figures) but GfK seem to hardware for the public, in Germany anyway.

[kspraydad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

GfK is Germany’s oldest market research company, established 72 years ago at the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg. In 1936, GfK AG conducted the country’s first brand study, on the cross logo of pharmaceutical company Bayer, and a year later it published the first German purchasing power figures, which are now also produced for the rest of Europe and overseas. In the mid-1950s, GfK joined the European frontrunners when it adopted consumer panel research after the research methodology first developed in the United States. It also began expanding its international network at an early stage, and in 1960 GfK AG co-founded the Europanel, which, together with British partner Taylor Nelson Sofres (TNS), conducts continuous studies of consumer purchasing patterns in 26 European countries. The GfK consumer climate study, launched in Germany during 1983, now covers Britain, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, and a series of central and eastern European countries. In 1985, GfK began producing German television ratings, first for state-owned broadcasters and later for the Television Research Partnership (AGF). During September 2005 GfK AG was a sponsor for the “Du bist Deutschland” (You are Germany) advertising campaign, the country's largest multimedia initiative to date, aimed at enhancing Germany’s image. Today, GfK AG is widely acknowledged as Germany’s undisputed market leader, with a market share of well over 25 percent. Germany continues to account for the largest share of GfK’s annual sales.

[ElementX]

My apologies. I saw the VGChartz under read full story and well, I made an incorrect assumption. I know VGChartz numbers are BS but I didn't see the google.com link :( i'm sorry.

[wil4hire]

takes a medium sized man to admit hes wrong on the interweb. kudos and bublz

[PStriple703]

the ps3 is rising to the top

[PS360PCROCKS]

We have German charts now? Wow...and this is maybe just a coincidence but alot of 360 games have been banner their I think from gore and stuff and the PS hasn't really had any of those yet, could be a slight factor, maybe not overwhelming, but it doesn't hurt. I dunna when I go home to Düsseldorf to visit, (moved away when I was 7 and only been back once) I'll find out what my friends have for because now I'm curious.

[lilwingman]

If only all you guys would stop arguing and read the article... how can you be mad when it says things like this:

"Nintendo's Wii, the 28,000 times over the counter walked"

It walked over the counter? LOL

Sorry, I've just been reading this site for too long, and seen too many arguments that just whine about the same things over and over. Every console has its advantages and disadvantages, and they've all got some amazing games (released and upcoming).

[allforcalisto]

just a heads up. "the article" that you're talking about wasn't written in english. It. says when you follow the link "translated version of". Its obviously a german site that was translated. "Walked over the counter" is a rough translation of a german idiom. You get the idea.
someone did translate on google then posted the translated link.

[StupidTeenagersMust-]

Looks like PS3's aiming to take the number one spot really soon.

[AllroundGamer]

Judgment Day :)

[Snukadaman]

why dont we keep sales charts like...easy....NA,Japan, and Europe?

[PirateThom]

Because Europe isn't a country?

Europe doesn't release sales figures as a whole and sales reports are sporadic at best from most of Europe. It's a good idea to keep a check on these reports because it gives a nice overall view.

Anything on VGCharts is estimates for Europe, while this is hard data.

[Rooftrellen]

"Anything on VGCharts is estimates for Europe, while this is hard data."

This is an estimate too. They don't sit there and count every single game console sold at every store in Germany. They take some data and estimate the number sold in the country from that.

[DEADEND]

It's not even 2008 and it's already starting SONY is doing a good job, history is repeating it's self all over again. Come early next year the PS3 will start selling more then the Wii once DMC4 is released in Japan, then when MGS4 is released world wide PS3 will start taking over the console market.

Right now SONY is just waiting for the right games to come out so they can make their move next year, come next year there will be another price cut for the 40Gb and 80Gb($300 40Gb, $400 80Gb) with a ton of AAA titles that don't need to be listed because we all no them. Look everyone who don't believe that SONY will move more consoles then MS next year then they have another thing coming.

Yes MS has games too and another price cut when SONY makes their move but it won't be enough. MS games for next year are all new IP's and they used up all their heavy hitters to top it all off, all they have left is GEARS OF WAR 2 and I doubt that it will be ready for XMAS 08. Because they are working on DLC for GEARS OF WAR PC and UT3 for 360.

So yea the way I see it next year is truly SONY's year for sure, I know I'm going to get a ton of disagrees for this lol.

[NeonSkull]

i this this generation the ps3 will out sell the the 360 in total sales, but i dont think it will do this before microsoft brings out their next console, just my opinion.

[PS3PCFTW]

so is it safe to say that ms is aiming to ruin and monopolize console gaming?

in other words, keep releasing hardware with little to no improvements to flood the market in order to have better odds?

all signs point to yes.

[Pikutara]

Yeahhh, germans girls and PS3

[wil4hire]

I'm from Los Angeles California. Sherman Oaks to be exact. Born & Raised. The Anti-German attitude here, coupled with the Anti-Japanese sentiment is exactly whats wrong with us as a country.

WE ARE IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY. EVERYWHERE OUTSIDE THE USA MATTERS. Its the U.S Alone that DOESN'T matter. If we could do it alone, we wouldn't ship ipods to japan, or germany, or everywhere else. We rely on other people outside of our shores to buy products.

Now, I'm sure that most of you with 360's[that have responded with such ignorant comments, not all] have to be trailer trash. Who are raised to think much like Miss.North Carolina and "The Iraq." But its very important to the success of the 360 as a console to do well outside of your park. It makes me sick to see such racism deep seeded into an entire community. Or at least what its represented by online.

If you guys are honestly the demographics of the 360, its no wonder why everyone always complains about immature Americans on XBL and why the box is selling 3 units in japan.

I suggest you guys get the nerve to travel one day. Stop spending your hard earned gambling money, or whatever it is that mountain trash does for money, and visit these places. You guys are living in the matrix.

[fury]

I am German by the way and glad to see the PS3 rising to the top. I will buy one next year. I'm currently short of money.

[DEADEND]

Bubbles for you for speaking the truth, I used to own a 360 and I have to say I got really tired of the racist crap that was going on online. This is why everyone hates America and that they look down on us, hell we were the last major country to get rid of slavery. I totally agree with what you just said and I wish there were more people like you, game one.

[Bladestar]

yeah... global economy... thats the one thing America does not mind doing... perfect ehh? if it's working so well for america.. explain weak dollard... why must jobs are being outsource to countries (including communist ones like china)? also, how the cheap labor of countries where the gov abuse people for their game (slave work, work for food) is hurting most american industries... hense the economi.. and how American is in debt to countries that it will eventually have to go to war with...

If the so call Global economy is working for America... care to explain why the dollard is sinking? and don't say war.. because that's tax money... whats going on in the private sector.. out sourcing has nothing to do with war... Most people complain about bush and bla bla.. but that's most of these countries best friend... he would outsource his job if he could...

[remix]

@below. ok you missed my overall point to attack the way i typed there instead of they're.

how ignorant can someone be. you remind me of a girl when they miss the overall point of something and just go on about unimportant things.

trying to defend the americans and doing poorly at it.

and then you talk about new york school system, so anybody and everybody that has typed a word wrong, you are now a victim of your school system. my god, with your logic EVERY SCHOOL SYSTEM MUST BE BAD SINCE EVERY SCHOOL HAS A STUDENT THAT MAKES A MISTAKE. this is tsalagi's logic people. we should all listen to somebody like him. and to think somebody actually agreed with him. lol. anyway, welcome to my ignore list "click"

[Tsalagi]

This message brought to you by an "ignorant" American and the New York public school system.

[razer]

You one bubble loser! Why don't you go burn a flag or something? Are you trying to say that Americans are the source of ignorant fanboy comments?? Give me a freakin break.. So I guess The Mart was right all along since he is NOT American. It's funny because people accuse Americans of being arrogant, but judging a lot of the comments here American does not have a monopoly on it.

[Tsalagi]

What ever troll. I was just pointing out the irony of someone ranting about how ignorant Americans are while screwing up words, repeatedly. Enjoy your one bubble.

*By the way. The first letter of the first word in sentences are capitalized when starting a new sentence.*

[PirateThom]

America isn't racist, it's just I get the feeling this gen is the first time a lot of these people have had consoles and don't know that Sega, Nintendo or Sony ever forged success out of one country.

To win the console war, you need to win in more than just America. You still need Japan and Europe and neither are going for the 360, they're going for Wii and to a lesser extent PS3.

Even then, 360 isn't even winning in America.

[whoelse]

The 360 is behind in 3rd generally all over Europe and same with Japan so really the only place they are now selling any consoles is in America.

Lots of sites will prove this.

[razer]

Let's some links to back that claim up? Basically the PS3 is third everywhere except a few places in Europe and Japan. It's a shame that the only solid numbers we have are in Japan and USA since they are the only ones that track and make public that information.

[shmee]

x360 is third all over the world except NA . However that would change next year too.

ps3 beats the wii in most parts of EU including Germany, France and Spain.

ps3 is also beating wii in Japan at the moment. as for x360 only battleground that has remained is NA which will be gone soon

[whoelse]

I could find so many places to prove my point but the easiest to find is the VG Chartz numbers.

[razer]

You are telling me that the 360 has the lowest install base everywhere but the NA?? Are you serious?? Or maybe you guys have looked at a few weekly sales charts and think you are on top? And please don't give me a bunch of unreliable VGAChartz.. I took a lesson from the Sony boys when the numbers didn't favor them, the site is unreliable and is a guess at the numbers.

[wangdiddy82]

360 will fade soon.. They should have waited to release halo 3 in 2008..

[razer]

Most of your freakin tools can't argue about gaming intelligently. Please do us all a favor and not discuss politics or world relations.. Some of the stupidest comments I've ever read on this site are right here in this forum.

Wow, it's like the anonymity of the internet is a free pass to say whatever stupid thing's are in your melon sized heads..

PS - Interesting that lifetime sales for these consoles in Germany isn't even 1 month in the USA. But I guess "small victories" is what keeps the hope alive.

[Xbox is the BEST]

these kids they don't know better.

[greenenvy]

seriously, just shutup and stop posting this trash. rock band, mass effect & assassins creed just went on sale over there and 360 is sold out all over europe.

you were acting like there was no games coming out in 2008, and sounded like a stupid child as a result

too human, ninja gaiden 2, halo wars, fable 2, splinter cell 5 AREN'T games right? and they along with project offset & others aren't COMING OUT in 2008 either right, selling the system like crazy?
http://www.gameplayer.com.a...

nasim, go back to your little hole and get a life. most of the games you whined about were delayed into 2009 and ps3 is not selling out its a price drop effect.

[chrno6]

hmm let me guess razer, You are an American and that's why you are so defensive about the insults am I right?

[razer]

But what does that have to do with insulting another culture/nation?? I wouldn't except this if we were talking about EU or Asia or anywhere.. It has less to do with where I'm from and more to do with just showing a little respect to other people/culture. The hate mongering shouldn't be accepted by anyone. It really makes me wonder what kind of losers these people are outside of the internet and if they voice their opinions like they do without the anonymity.

[shmee]

x360 is non existent in EUROPE

the only place where it is barely hanging on is UK. However it is being outsold by the ps3 there as well.

as for dismal x360 sales and ps3 vs x360 sales comparisons

here u go

www.hmv.co.uk

www.micromania.fr

www.amazon.de

www.amazon.fr

where is the x360?

[2 cents]

We, europeans, don`t like things that brake down, and germany is number 1 in europe that is obsessed with perfection.
Europe demands quality, the 360 might have the best software as of now, but as a console alone it is cr*p and it stands no chance against the ps3.
If we`re to choose between a slow reliable car and a fast unreliable one we`d go for the slowest one cos a fast car that brakes down still gets you nowhere.

[HarryEtTubMan]

HAHA You have to be a absolutely moron to not already see the trens even in the PS3's first years. PS3 is gonna own the 360 very badly

Disagree I hope u do but u cant change whats happening... Wheres lawman???? HAHAHAHAHAHA LOSER XBOT

[greenenvy]

amazon.co.uk is sold out of ALL its 360 bundles and 360 is still more than beating it in the UK, frankse, spain and so on.

and it could have to do with the fact the recent halo 3/ forza 2/ half life bundles just got released yes?

the retailers like amazon or frys aren't even a way to gage sales

you are such a dumb schmuck. even assassins creed has sold over a million and 360 is still selling out there, with xbox live promotions

the only reason ps3 was even selling more in some of these other countries, is because of the ps3 actually being in stock. the 360 is becoming harder and harder to find, for HALF LIFE sized reasons......

[FF7numba1]

Still waiting for my fellow American's disown 360.

[wiizy]

of course its going to rise to the top. cause is a shortage of wii's ...dont take comfort in that now.