Assassin's Creed DVD issues fixed?

Apparently the guy who came forward on the current issues facing assassin's creed for the xbox 360 and the ps3 has at least withdrawn his statement for the 360 now claiming "There's no problem anymore".? This was apparently after receiving a phone call from Jade Raymond.

[Blankman]

Microsoft pockets run deep.

[power of Green]

Yah it sucks MSFT has to pay while Sony gets the same treatment for free due to fear or angry fanboys.

[Vip3r]

Well at least Sony cares about its fanboys.

[unlimited]

wow fanboys .the ps3 have the same memory as the 360 but split..once they learn how to use it then their wont be any problems. this is the reason they should buld the game ground up from the ps3 and port it to the 360 it be easy on them.as for the 360 their compression method but it takes out quality from the games. or they can put it on two disk..

[marinelife9]

LMAOF @ I learned my lesson. I bet you did!

[Panthers]

I cant believe this news is such a big deal. There is no interview other than those 2 lines and no credibility to the report.

And if it is true, which it just sounds like he is trying not to lose his job, than good. The more issues they fix the better. Maybe it will get released on time.

[ATLRoAcH]

Since when does everyone on this site think they know everything.I don't talk sh!t about the 360, so don't talk sh!t about the PS3.Anyone who works for Sony or Microsoft please raise your hand.....Thats what I thought.A lot of these comments are spoken with true ignorance.

(edit)
If anyones knows Patrice Desilet's e-mail address I'll ask him about the PS3 myself.

[DRYTSOUF MONKEY]

DVD will never be a limitation because you can always use 2 or more. Or you can download content, and for you ignorant sony fans who always chime in with, "but not in an open ended world", WRONG. All you have to do is have 2 discs, download one to the hardrive and problem solved. Or many other solutions like putting the whole world on multiple discs and spreading the missions across them. NO MATTER WHAT DVD WILL NEVE BE A LIMIT. Some PS3 games already download content to the harddrive in order to play better. So this solution is actually a better way to do open ended worlds because of faster procedural loading. BUT the PS3 memory problems are a NIGHTMARE. You can not get around it. The bandwidth is never any wider than half of the 360. All you sony kids sure do whine a lot, which makes since considering your average age of 8 years old. That also explains how you are so stupid to keep throwing up ridiculous, completely wrong ideas about a split memory being anything like a real wide memory. Then you all agree with each other, LOL. The PS3 only is ever as wide as 256. And if you want the other 256 you have to do an INCREDIBLE amount of hard work to split the code up for 7 SPE's which is almost impossible. The PS3 will never have the memory of the 360 and it will always produce inferior games because of this. I know some little 8 year old will come on here now and say , "your wrong, the memeory is the same, just split" and act like that means they won the argument even though I just told you why the split memory is never wider 256. It's all about width people. But of course, even though the people arguments against mine will be old points I already proved wrong and made up BS that won't make sense, all you little sony girls will agree with each other like idiots, but don't worry about me, I know how 8 year olds are. Sony fans= 8year olds, general pop. with know knowledge of technology. Xbox fans= tech savvy adults who don't buy a console just because it says sony on it. This is why Xbox fans always seem so much smarter than sony fans, sony fans are general consumers who buy on brand name and don't know any better.

[mark09]

Yes the dvd will be a limit, and it already is, microsoft cant do your "install part of the game to hard drive" theory because alot of xbox360 owners dont have said hard drives.

[ATLRoAcH]

But I'm 21 about to be 22.And I'm not here to argue about memory.I do know some developers (Naughty Dog and others) know how to make a game work fine and look beautiful on the PS3.Oh,and the Cell works differently than a standard processor.The Cell because of its structure doesn't need as many commands to the CPU to complete a task because of the SPEs thus doesn't requirer as much memory as a standard processor.The problems developers have is that they approach the Cell like its a standard processor and end up wasting memory with a lot of commands for the CPU that they will be able to avoid once they figure out the Cell and how to program for it.Microsoft's processor is very similar to the dual-core processor found in many computers today.And even though its better than old processors it still operates the same.So anyone who has programmed in the last ten years should get it pretty easy.This I will say is a plus for the 360 and people who develop for it.But by no means judge the PS3 that has barely gotten out of the gate and is already being judged by the software and not the hardware.Before I bought the PS3 I compared the specs of the two consoles and guess what I chose.I do not need to justify my purchase to you so I'll just let time tell you that you were wrong.Are you going to disagree with all the professionals that believe the PS3 has the most potential this generation?

[MK_Red]

Even if all of them scream "there's no problem", the truth doesn't change. PS3 has problem of small memory and 360 has problem of disk capacity. Plain and simple.
Now stop ranting and publish the darn game. Can't wait for Assassins.

[Jdash24]

i know what you mean....i've been waiting to get my hands on this game since last may

just a few more weeks

[Captain Tuttle]

they might be trying to lower expectations for the game though...at least that's what I in all of my "tinfoil hat wearing" glory thinks. I just have a strange feeling this game will disappoint across the board.

[HowarthsNJ]

Two "S" words yes, but not the same.

The 360 has unified 512 memory that must be shared by the CPU and GPU.

The PS3 has 256 for CPU and 256 for the GPU (plus memory on each SPE).

Do you think developers can make full use of the 360's unified 512 by starving either the CPU or GPU of memory to give the other more ram?

The problem is memory management. Loading it through two paths as opposed to one.

[Real gamer 4 life]

dude it was not that the ps3 doesn't have enough memory it was the ps3 architecture. Because the ps3 memory is spilt in half don't give me that.

[Kleptic]

since day 1 the problem with the PS3 has always been the larger OS footprint...or in reality the amount of memory blocked off for future OS improvements, blocked off to developers that is (the OS currently doesn't use nearly as much memory as what is potentially available to it...further OS optimizations have also allowed for more memory to be free'd up to devs also)...

but...no matter what...people will always say that because the 360 has unified memory paths, that it has "more"...its funny...its ignorant...and it doesn't matter...the people saying it do not understand either systems hardware apparently (as a few posts up made a good point...are some of you under the impression that the CPU of a 360 could be using 512mb of ram for a certain intensive chunk of code?...I truely would like to see what is happening on screen in that instance)...

the 360 uses 32mb of its total 512mb of RAM for its OS...the PS3 currently has nearly 64mb (down from over 90 during launch) blocked off (its still unknown exactly what the OS footprint itself is) to devs of its total 512mb (half of which is server class XDR ram)...that is where the memory problems with the PS3 occur compared to the 360...but keep saying the 360 has more ram (it doesn't)...and keep saying that the 360 has "better" ram (it doesn't)...its been going on for over a year now...why stop now?

[ATLRoAcH]

You have a point.Think about the PSP after what like two years out the cpu was fully unlocked to 333mhz.Thus making games better than they were able to be before.I just hope Sony isn't "blocking" for the same reason with the PS3.

[tk]

The PS3 memory for the OS will make certain features available across all online titles - like chat, video etc. For the XB360 those features will be in the game code. So if the memory is in the OS or game - it will even out. Difference is that the PS3 features will be same right across titles.

[Odion]

your actually completely wrong

The 360 has 512 of Ram for the GPU alone, while the system also has its own 256 megs of ram, just like a normal computer, the GFX card has its own ram and the system has its own.

the PS3 has 512 of ram that must be split between everything

[achira]

odion you are a .... you are so wrong! the xbox360 has 512mb in total, gpu+cpu. i know you suck the d!ck of bill gates, but there are other ppl, who know the truth. the truth is 512 mb for ps3 and xbox360, the truth is the ps3 has far faster ram (XDR), the truth is developers need time to programm the ps3 correctly, the truth is the ps3 will blow the xbox360 out of the water. look here for specs of the 360: http://reviews.cnet.com/con...
what a moron, unbelievable, you should be banned.

[Kleptic]

Odion......the rate at which you group words into phrases that state incorrect information is so high...that you should simply stop interacting with other human beings altogether...

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Just make the game small like gears of war...

[power of Green]

What about the PS3 then?.

[FirstknighT]

If that doesn't work make it even smaller like Heavenly Sword.

[DarkArcani]

@BubblesDAVERAGE

Don't diss Gear of War. It's a great game.

@FirstknighT

Don't diss Heavenly Sword. That is a great game as well.

*If you want to diss some games, then diss EA games. Leave the good ones out of it*

@Einherjaren - Dude, shut it with the small size thing. Size in games has nothing to do with the enjoyment of your experience. It's about fun.

[Einherjaren]

HELL NO!! GoW suck cause of it's SMALL size!!

[mesh1]

ps3 games int he future will suffer cause of memory problems ps3 games will alwsy have lower texture than the 360 as the,the pc has tons of memory and games on there texture with a gr8 pc can reach mind blowing detail ,the ps3 will alwsy have he memory problem.

[Real Gambler]

Pick up ANY recent pc games. Look at the memory requirement for the game if you're running XP and if you're running Vista. You will see that if you're running the EXACT same game on Vista, you need 512mb and sometime up to 1Gb more of memory. It's the exact same game! So, ooops, why would you need an extra Gig? O.S. is hungry. Drivers are hungry (DX1O...). Antivirus. Firewall. And so on.

This is why, today, 2Gig of memory on a PC is just enough... If you let Microsoft go, next O.S. will likely need 8Gig alone to run : )

This is why you get games that run at very decent resolution with minimal memory requirement. You pay $400 for a console, and you can run games at 1920X1080 at 60FPS... You would be amazed to see how many people cannot reach 60FPS at this type of resolutions on PCs as old as those consoles are... And for quite a higher price! There's likely more than 95% of the PCs right now still running at 1024X768, nearly half of what a console can do. And likely with 3 or 4 time the memory...

[power of Green]

I don't think he was saying its not a future problem but no problem with this title itself You would have to be a fool to think Compression tech is going to work forever.

Memory in this generation is a major huge issue too, just as big of an issue to say the least. We're going to see more multi disc games and we'll see if devs figure out how to use more than 256 of memroy for games.

[DrPirate]

256 MB of memory? I didn't know AC was going to the Wii.......

[Kleptic]

PoG...

what?

[THE TERMINATOR]

Ps3 deosnt have small memory it has the same 512mb, you just have to develop for it differently.

[power of Green]

Yah just like people saying 360 doesn't have a disc size issue.

Are you saying PS3 has unified memory and the devs are not worried about it?.

Tell that to the devs talking about it, not us.

EDIT: @5.3

You think that the PS3 could have 4 times less system RAM, 64 mbs, and still outdo the 360?.

System RAM is typically used for things like collision structures for collision detection (often very close to the same amount of memory taken up by the meshes themselves in video RAM), as well as all data that needs to be associated with game objects within the world.
You've likely seen the size of the world in AC, as well as the number of characters on screen. More RAM is better than faster RAM.

The PS3 also has NO access what so ever to the other memory bank...

Infact the other 256Mbs of ram are just there to weigh down the system.. otherwise it would float all over the house like in the commercials.

256 is a nice amount for those, but not as flexible as a shared 512 mb architecture.

We'll see if the devs will work out streaming on PS3(already doing it for PS3?) and I'm sure folks won't mind multi disc games.

Why is that rabid fanboy always replying to me?, just stop it I can't read your posts.

[mighty_douche]

512mb is simply no enough and theres no getting away from that. at least with blu-ray in a few years time we wont have games running into 3,4,5 discs

[Proxy]

PS3's OS does take up more room. If I remember 360 OS takes about 30 (bit lowball) and includes everything, and the PS3 once took maybe 120 (that's highball by far) if you had everything enabled in-game, like buddy list, etc. The 360 OS is clearly better. So a highball estimate would be that the 360 has a good 90 megs of ram on the PS3. Throw into this the divided ram on the PS3 (yet it performs faster, and better in some regards) and you can preaty well argue that 360 wins in the ram department. But what does this mean for games?

Consider a high end PC with 4 gigs of system ram (minus 1 for the OS, and overhead) and 768 on the graphics card alone. You're left with 3.7 gigs for the game alone, more than 7 times what either consol has to offer. Yet do the games look 7 times better? No. If an extra 3 gigs offers just a little graphical advantage, consider the impact 90 megs would make. Infinately insignificant. The two systems are different, and ram is one of the least important aspects to take into consideration.

Ram isn't everything. We'll have to let the games speak for themselfs I guess.

Both systems are becoming more and more inferior to PC's, yet the arguements will continue. It's very important to figure out which of the two inferior techs is a tiny bit better.

@mighty:

I own a PS3 and prefer it. I was using lowball for the 360, and highball for the PS3* hoping to show that even with an exagerated difference, it's still not that important. So, I'm actually attempting a defense against those who suggest the PS3 is behind because of it's ram. It's different, that's all.

*I read once that the PS3 took about 96 megs for the basic features, and then that it might be higher when enabling in-game features, thus I guessed 120 for highballs sake. I've even heard now that it's as low as 48 megs, but I don't think that's confirmed.

[mighty_douche]

mate, PS3 OS uses around 64mb, while 360's uses around 32mb. sony have stated that they will be lowering the ps3's OS 'footprint' with firmware updates, exactly the same as what MS have done.

all of you seem to forget that sony is a year behind the 360, and just like everything on the 360, things take time to resolve.

[S1D3 EFFEC7]

32mb of the 256mb of available GDDR3 memory off the RSX chip
64mb of the 256mb of available XDR memory off the Cell CPU
1 SPE of 7 constantly reserved 1 SPE of 7 able to be "taken" by the OS at a moments notice (games have to give it up if requested)

[Real Gambler]

POG: You're saying yourself: "System RAM is typically used for things like collision structures for collision detection (often very close to the same amount of memory taken up by the meshes themselves in video RAM)"

So here we go... Both consoles have 512Mb of memory. With the PS3, it's 256Mb for the system and 256Mb for the graphic card. So if I use your very own comment, it's a great split because "System RAM ...IS...(often very close to the same amount of memory taken up by the meshes themselves in video RAM) Wow, PS3 nailed it right. Or at least very close in your OWN WORDS...

Now, sure enough, there's times were devs will use 400Mb for system and 100Mb for GPU. But when????? As you said it yourself, you may have lots of collisions to process. You may have lots of ennemies to process. So what. You ALSO have to show them up on screen! So most of the time, games for the 360 will be AT THE MOST a 300Mb-200Mb split, but as you said, quite likely 256Mb-256Mb most of the time. You don't have lots of graphic to show if you don't have lot's of processing to do! So unified memory is good, but truly, you will never see wide swing unless it's something like Folding at Home. (Massive processing, but basically nothing to display.)

So in your own sentence, you're saying that memory is usually split 50-50 and yet, you say it's bad? Truly funny...

[Proxy]

POG? What the hell?

No I don't think that. If I did think that, I probably would have said it, but I've not said any such thing.

[Baba1906]

it does look amazing. hope it plays amazing too.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

sounds more like a coverup of the slippage rather than any real info on the status of the problem

[Bebedora]

should understand the problem on the PS3 is not memory. It's the approach to programming for it. GT5P and Uncharted should be a clear evidence of that to anybody.

Not saying it's easy, just that memory theory should be laid to rest because it's been debunked.

[DarkArcani]

Although I agree with you, it doesn't matter what you say. If it had one, two, four gigs, devs would say it is still not enough.

It all matters how the "smart devs" utilize the space given, whether it be ram or disk space, that's all.

[apoc06]

better yet. if epic can get UT3 running on the ps3 that says alot. the unreal engine is responsible for the most graphically advanced game so far this generation [gears of war]. so if they have UT3 running, that is a step up from gears of war; since the maps are much larger, movement is much, much faster and more players are supported on the screen at once.

[DarkArcani]

I don't know why everyone is flaming each other. I thought it was pretty funny. The guy kind of got yelled at.
"There is no issue" and "I learned my lesson," good stuff. At least he didn't spill anything good. Then the real can of sh8t would be opened.

[sonarus]

lol definetly didnt expect a flame war from this. Devs of now adays have gotten a lil too outspoken i was on the edge for assassins wasnt too impressed with the e3 demo however the game has started lookin better and better. so many games this holiday though. dnt have the time or money to play dem all if i get it at all it'll prob be during the holidays when i have more of both

[DarkArcani]

I don't have a problem with devs being outspoken. Personally I enjoy it. It gives their jobs more character. It's when others use that to "sick burn" someone else.

[skagrerrrr]

wait 4 this game!

[Snukadaman]

Nothing has been delayed...bring them on..we all have our money ready.

[DrPirate]

The reason they can't complain, is because it gives them a bad name.

If the development passes off as going without a hitch, the developer looks very skilled. Just look at Kojima Production, Insomniac, Guerrilla Games or Naughty Dog, they all make it seem like PS3 programming is a breeze. Even Itagaki said it was easy. Saying things like that shows the developing team is innovative in their methods and understands how to solve problems, rather then complaining.

This "Call" from Jade Raymond was simply a "Dude, you're making us look really bad and amateurist, shut your mouth"

[mesh1]

sorry to say it but the programmers programming for the 360 are more known/more experience/have better games that have won awards than the people u mentioned we all know 90% of the devs in the list are under sony and have received countless millions to make games on th eps3 atleast match games on the 360 but 1 thing is still missing in the ps3 yes the games looks as good as 360 as that's what sony is focusing atm but the dept/longevity/interactivity/o nline play/storytelling/visual effects/controll on 360 games surpass ps3.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

The only companies I see haveing problems, are independent companies, that are not inhouse stuios from either microsoft or sony.

[wil4hire]

Heavenly Sword\Warhawk\Lair\Ratchet & Clank\ are all examples of games that aren't bogging down in gameplay, have tons of textures going on at once, and is in HD.

The 360 still uses a restricted DVD disc. 360 fans are pleased with games staying in the realm of 8gigs though, just like they are thrilled with non hd games. The 360 can't handle the high resolution aspect of games. Since when does HDRI Lighting have anything to do with the framesize on a "next gen" console. LOL.

The near future of games(2008) = Higher Resolution textures/Audio/Models/Animatio n/Dynamics. Its annoying that everyone is dumbing down games to fit & play on the 360. This month and next month that is going to start to change, thank god.

Edit.

Non-HD game for the 360:

Halo3**

Xbox360's biggest franchise. Yet couldn't break the 720p resolution mark. And as I said, Xbots are perfectly fine with non-hd games/failure rates.

@FirstknighT

Right. I said that was a mistake in the thread where I said 3 years. Nice argument though.

[DarkArcani]

Go do research before commenting please. You are very one sided.

Show me proof where the 360 has "NO HD" games, I would enjoy seeing that very much.

Edit : @wil4hire
It is still HD. It still gets upscaled and you can only play it on a HD TV. You can't turn the upscaler off, can you? Just because Bungie found a creative way to make the game, doesn't mean it isn't HD. Beside you can't even tell when the game is in motion.

@wil4hire (below)
You cannot play the game in 640 mode. When you turn the HD tv on it doesn't say 640p. Just because they used the upscaling chip in the console, doesn't mean it's not HD. It outputs at 720p, therefore it is HD.
I am a Visual Effects major. Don't try to pull that standards crap with me, when I get paid to know more about the industry than you.

[FirstknighT]

Wow, your still an idiot. Wilforhire thinks the 360 has been around for 3 years. Stop posting child. People are laughing at you.

[wil4hire]

We have HD standards. 640p isn't one of them. Sorry to break it to you.

[PopEmUp]

Wii4hire everybody know FirstknighT love to experiences games on DVD9 so let him be

[WilliamRLBaker]

yep you guys have standards its 1080p at 120 fps on every game, which no single game on ps3 has reached 120fps, and only about 20-30 have reached 1080p and half of those are upscaled and not native.

Where as there are what? 100 or more games that are the standard of 720p on 360? lol

[rofldings]

You dumbass xbots do realize that 360's problem was due to hardware limitations, while the PS3's problem was due to ubisoft's lack of programming skill.

256mb broken up is plenty, especially with the added processing power of the cell. Developers just need to learn how to properly program for it.

[power of Green]

You're so FULLOFSHIT...

EDIT: LOL...
http://www.projectoffset.co...

[wil4hire]

Like I said before, all of you guys are happy with 56% failure rate, Non HD MAJOR titles. (Halo3, the biggest game for the xbox.. ever) And second rate technology that is just going to continue to get embarrassed. I know you love the sound of your dvd drive reading a disc. Lets google the "towel method to avoid RROD." And see the videos on youtube as well!

Its a shame that you think I am making something up.

Try to prove me wrong. I want to see you embarrass yourself.

[DarkArcani]

You both should merry each other. Talk about Yin-Yang.

[FirstknighT]

"Its a shame that you think I am making something up."

Scroll down and check #20.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

This kid might take the crown from Nasim as the dumbest kid on here.

[wil4hire]

that post was corrected the second you pointed out it was 2 years vs 3.

edit:

I thought you ignored me. lol. what a troll.

[caffman]

first you say 33% then 56%. Please decide what figure you are using and then shove it where the sun doesn't shine. My 360 is STILL going perfectly since launch and as for good games I hope you aren't counting Lair in there....

[WilliamRLBaker]

>_< *laughs hard* ""Which is sad and pathetic considering the ps2 had 40 million worldwide sales by YEAR TWO.""

ps2 was released march 2000 (japan)
where do you get your info that by year two *march 2002* that sony had sold 40 million ps2's vgchartz.com disagrees with you and it was less then 20 million sold.

This is further proved by the fact in 2004 sony had reached the milestone of 70 million ps2 units...which must be off if they sold 40m by the 2nd year...that means in the next 1 and a half-2 years they only sold 30 million units, when the 2002-2004 cycle saw them drop the price of the system twice 199 to 149 in america.

Another source.
http://www.infosatellite.co...
It was announced by online sources this Thursday that there has a cumulative total of 30 million PlayStation 2 units has been shipped throughout North America, Asia, and Europe.

another source.
http://www.gaming-age.com/n...

This morning, we received word from Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, that the PlayStation 2 has reached 10,000,000 units shipped (not sold through) worldwide.

The breakdown by area, is as follows:

* 4,650,000 Units in Japan
* 2,760,000 Units in North America
* 2,630,000 Units in Europe

Sony expects be cranking out 1.5 million pieces of hardware per month from April on, and they claim they will reach 20,000,000 PlayStation 2 units worldwide, by the end of the fiscal year (March 2002)

[patriotZero]

Xbots headquarters=UBISOFT look at GT5p demo..Liars

[Pika-pie]

Will you all just put a sock in it!! The issues are now sorted.

Cant wait for this game.

[chrno]

I bet Bill Gate called his boss and told him to stfu lol

[feejo]

It is just a MARKETTING SCAM TO SELL MORE. People would say "Oh they fixed it 3 weeks before they put it out on the market, that is cool".

How come the boss is so smart, smarter than MS that are there to work with them. And they never said there was a problem with Xbox disk they said AFTER THE GAME WAS COMPLETED (Cause some people think they completed it during the weekend by reading the "new") "We had problems to fit in in the disk" they did not say; "The game will not come out cause it dose not fit". there is a BIG difference here.

It is a game that everyone is waiting for. They did that just to put some juce. That is verry funny.

[Einherjaren]

Ofcourse the DVD issue is fixed!! The release date hasn't been changed at all!!

I have it on pre-order for PS3 and my good friend the retailer, who keeps me posted when there are changes, looks forward to jumping around on nov16! Seeing as 360 and Ps3 have same release..
So I don't think there was an issue this late in the production, but there was probably an issue earlier in the making!!

And to all spammers and numbnuts: The PS (PSOne, PS2, PS3) has ALWAYS been hard to program cause it ALWAYS uses japanese tech and not the refined, closed, and hold back tech the west uses!!
-Check Ps3 gameplay graphics come late 08 and we'll talk!!

[feejo]

Ya compare EA NBA 07 and 08 you will se the difference. Graphic evolution.

[power091999]

It's fine that you have an opinion... but try not to use EA as a reference.

Their sport games are just a mess on all systems.

[celticlonewolf]

It said it fixed the dvd problem but did I miss something did it mention the mem problem for the ps3 that was mentioned?

[TheMART]

So in the end

360 - game fits on a DVD because they programmed and compressed right

PS3 - still has its memory issues

Final game: jaggies on the PS3, framerate issues/slideshow. Which we see with many games nowadays on the PS3

[scoobysnacks]

you've been pushed into second place, Nasim taken your crown has he, but never mind. Keep up with the biased, stupid, comments and i'm sure before long you'll of taken your crown back as the saddest fanboy the internet has ever seen. I'm backing you all the way Mart, keep up the sad, fanboy comments that hold no weight to them, you offer entertainment value if nothing else. Lesson below Mart in how to sound unbiased and get along with everyone....

The memory issues we all know have been debunked, its a different way of programming that is required, once developers get to grips with it, it won't be any more of a problem than working with 512 of unified memory that the 360 has. Only difference then will be that compression technology can only go so far, and then space is going to be limited on the DVD format, but then you can go multi-disc.

See how that sounds Mart, you can be friends with all, and yet still state your opinion without sounding like a fanboy.

[Pika-pie]

I read the PS3 memory issues had also been sorted. Sony taught the devs a few tricks.

So keep your lame comments to yourself.

A PS3 fanboy could just as easily say - the 360 DVD issues mean the 360 will get compressed lack luster textures.

So by fanboy logic, both games are gonna suck.

I cant wait for the comparison videos to come out afer release so I can watch all the bots counting grains of sand on the screen to decide which version is better.

[TheMART]

@ Scooby

A few problems there dude. First, Nasim has one bubble, I have five. What I am saying here is still based on reality.

You may like to believe all memory problems have been debunked, but that's not true.

Ubisoft hasn't debunked the memory problems they said they have on Assassins Creed. There are 'workarounds' about the memory bottleneck, but that's still just what it says it is. A workaround. It's like solving a leaking bath with chewing gum.

We're seeing that in Skate for example, at times the PS3 version is unplayable as read in recent interviews. It was in The Darkness when the demons were used, jaggies on the PS3 version, it is in other games. If you want to close your eyes for those problems, be my guest.

@ Alvadr

were do you read exactly that Ubisoft has solved the PS3 memory problems? All they say is that they can fit the thing on a DL-DVD for the 360.

EDIT: scooby (below)

"but then don’t deny the fact that you’ve been down to one bubble many a time yourself"

That was in the old system, were PS3 fanboys obviously didn't want to hear any truth told. So they voted down anybody instantly. The new system is a better one that is more balanced obviously.

Still there is a difference between one like Nasim, and someone that gives facts, although a 360 fan, mostly are right on.

"If all the members here on N4G took a vote on your being one of, if not the biggest xbot here, you know that you’d loose that argument."

I am speaking my mind, so yeah then one sticks out compared to others.

"if you get a qualified plumber in rather than a cowboy to fix the bath tub, then you haven’t got a problem, i.e. Like I said, when developers get to grips with handling the different memory config things will be solved."

Two flaws in your story: first off, if you buy a bath it shouldn't leak. The PS3 obviously 'leaks' in that view compared to the 360. Second, like you say 'WHEN' devs get grips on it. They obviously still haven't. Ubisoft have stated it themselves for Assassins Creed and haven't debunked it.

"You state “Skate” an EA game; we all now EA seem to take the same code and port it to PS3 hence why most of there games have problems, whereas first party developers that code for the PS3 first seem to manage to get things running more smoothly."

Like Lair you mean? Still hickups.
"However, disc space problems on the 360 because of DVD can only be solved by compression techniques for so long, you’ll reach a point where a second or third disc is required."

So how many games have we seen that use multiple discs at this point in time. Only Blue Dragon is out with multiple discs. Last gen, only 1 to 3% used a DL-DVD instead of a SL-DVD. This gen, multiple discs will be around the same rate. So out of 100 games, 1% to 3% will have multiple discs. Those may be the games one even doesn't like/won't buy. Do you want to pay so much extra for a game console with a feature that is not used much?

"Both machines have their problems, but let the developers worry about work arounds, while we the gamers enjoy the games."

Again, the 360 DL-DVD 'problem' is smaller then memory issues or just a design that's build up around videostreaming (the Cell is a great CPU for a streaming device/video indeed, not so much for gaming) and not for gaming.

Nope, also we gamers should worry about a design that's not optimal for gaming. That means, the competition, the 360, is the better option if you're a gamer. If you like HD BluRay that much, the PS3 is a cheap alternative for a BLuRay player and can do some games on top of that. Not so well like the 360.

[scoobysnacks]

but then don’t deny the fact that you’ve been down to one bubble many a time yourself, so to argue the fact your not as bad as him because at this present moment you have 5 bubbles really doesn’t change the fact your one of the worse fanboys here. If all the members here on N4G took a vote on your being one of, if not the biggest xbot here, you know that you’d loose that argument.

With regard to the memory probs, using your description of chewing gum to fix a leaking bath tub may be apt if a work around is a rushed, poorly implemented solution, but using your own leaking bath tub premise - if you get a qualified plumber in rather than a cowboy to fix the bath tub, then you haven’t got a problem, i.e. Like I said, when developers get to grips with handling the different memory config things will be solved.

You state “Skate” an EA game; we all now EA seem to take the same code and port it to PS3 hence why most of there games have problems, whereas first party developers that code for the PS3 first seem to manage to get things running more smoothly. I have “Skate” and on some odd occasions it seems to have problems, but not often and it doesn’t make the game unplayable. Am I closing my eyes to the problem, no, I wish those odd glitches weren’t there, and at present the PS3 has some memory requirements that some developers are struggling with, but future game development over time will sort these problems out.

However, disc space problems on the 360 because of DVD can only be solved by compression techniques for so long, you’ll reach a point where a second or third disc is required. PS3 won’t have that problem because of Sony’s choice to use blu-ray with its extra storage advantage.

Both machines have their problems, but let the developers worry about work arounds, while we the gamers enjoy the games.

[scoobysnacks]

Your excuse for having one bubble numerous time in the past is that ps3 fanboys didn’t want to hear the truth (the truth as you see it that is). Perhaps PC, Wii and even 360 owners disagreed with your comments because they were of low quality adding nothing to the subject matter, spamming and generally trolling the PS3 forums and being insulting. Your comments are not in general based on facts, and you’ve been caught out on many an occasion spreading FUD. You speak your mind, but with the overwhelming disagrees you tend to get, must people don’t tend to agree with you. Just look at this subject and the disagrees you’ve already attained.

You used the story of the leaking bath tub, I just embellished on it. The story can be turned around, having a 30% failure rate shouldn't happen but it did. Hence they’ve had to extend the warranty and redesign the motherboard to stop overheating, sounds like the 360 is the leaking tub when put that way doesn’t it. So far the PS3 has proven itself to be well built, without such flaws. I was once an owner of a 360, I got burned with the RROD. Hence when titles starting appearing on PC, I sold the 360 (fixed by then, for how long?), and yet I don’t go around putting the 360 down, but you jump on any chance to try and put the PS3 down, a lot of the time with storys that get debunked afterwards, thats why a lot of people here don’t like you and disagree with you.

Ubisoft stating some memory problems in Assassins Creed for the PS3, but they said they were working around it, the PS3 just has to be programmed differently to that of the 360, every developer will find some problems they cope with well on one machine where another developer has problems. Hell they might come out in the next week or two and say like this DVD story, there wasn't a problem. You try and back your argument up by stating “Lair”, hell there’s plenty of games that came out on the 360 in its first year that had similar problems, or is your memory failing you there.

You can’t deny the fact that blu-ray discs give more storage space. So you state that only one 360 title so far uses multiple discs, but that’s one title of how many more to come, you can’t say 1 to 3%, thats pure speculation, guess work. Games are requiring more and more space. Floppy disc’s to CD, Multiple CD’s to DVD, now multiple DVD’s, logic points you towards a next gen alternative with more storage space. Software compression can only do so much. Some developers are already saying that dvd storage is causing problems, even some of your xbox comrades here are starting to agree on that one. At least with blu-ray discs developers wont have any storage constraints put on them.

PS3 owners like the fact they can watch films as well on their console, obviously Microsoft thought so to, hence why they released the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Now don’t start to preach about how its an option if you want it, and Sony doesn’t give you an option. Blu-ray gives extra storage, plus movie playback, and since the price drop, its only slightly more than the xbox elite, that still only has a dvd drive and no wi-fi.

Your an xbot and everyone here knows your so anti Sony, where’s your skills in programming, you have none, so you saying the Cell is only good for streaming, not for gaming is your biased opinion gleamed from an article you’ve read on some webpage that somehow make you and expert? There’s a lot of developers out there, and IBM themselves who would disagree with you, I’ll go by their opinion, not yours. And for gaming, I’ll choose a PS3 any day of the week over the 360 because in my opinion its more future proof and certainly hardware wise better built. And for the games that are so called exclusive to the 360, I’ll play them on my PC.

No matter how much truth is said, you will spin any comment and story that is pro PS3 to fit your argument and be negative. Everyone here knows it, hence why you’ll always end up getting back to one bubble.

[TheMART]

That's not an excuse, it's reality.

And again you're comparing two different things. PS3 just not the right setup for games that needs workarounds and a hardware failure rate on the 360. Yes it is not a good thing to have a higher failure rate then expected. Although, based on the many XBL friends I know I would say 10 to 15% experience these problems. Those 33% are from an online survey where ofcourse many Sony fandroids liked to influence the outcome.

By the way, getting 3 years full warranty would have to make that a non issue instantly. Just because you're playing the best games. I'd take a console having some hardware problems any day over a BluRay player.

"Ubisoft stating some memory problems in Assassins Creed for the PS3, but they said they were working around it"

They were saying they were struggling with it. They have debunked the DVD stuff now, but they didn't debunk the PS3 memory problems. That's the case and the facts and you can try to twist, but that's what is written.

"you can’t say 1 to 3%, thats pure speculation"

There is a difference between speculation and analysing:

Last gen games:

Beginning life cycle: 1 to 2GB
End of life cycle: 3 to 4 GB.

Only 1 to 3% was using a DL-DVD. If we take those increases in data to this gen, most will be fitting on a DL-DVD. Games are requiring more space. But compression is getting better and better. Ofcourse over time the media are upgraded, but is it the right time or too early? And the PS1 having multiple CD's for games, has that been a problem?

"PS3 owners like the fact they can watch films as well on their console, obviously Microsoft thought so to, hence why they released the HD-DVD add-on for the 360."

Thats why Video marketplace is so nice. NO DISCS. BTW just get an USB 2.0 HDD on the 360 with HD videos on it, or stream it from the PC. NO DISCS involved that can scratch like the BluRay...

"Now don’t start to preach about how its an option if you want it, and Sony doesn’t give you an option. Blu-ray gives extra storage, plus movie playback, and since the price drop, its only slightly more than the xbox elite, that still only has a dvd drive and no wi-fi."

Indeed: Sony is pushing its own format again... Remember Betamax, UMD, Minidisc...

We'll just talk again when Assassins Creed releases and the PS3 version once again has framerate issues.

[scoobysnacks]

A three years full warranty would have to make the 360’s failure rate an instant non issue, its sticking a plaster on a gaping wound. Are you really that stupid to realise it was Microsoft’s only way out, they could still face the probability court action over this from consumer rights.

You realise you don’t have a leg to stand on in giving programming expertise, so you resort to just saying the PS3 is just a blu-ray player. Jeez, like I said plenty of developers out there and technical experts would disagree with you. We’ll listen to them rather the rantings of some xbot.

Ubisoft’s statement was actually this, “How we handle memory is really different between the two machines and we're struggling right now on the PS3." Thankfully, with a little help from Sony, the team is confident that "the PS3 version is as good as the 360”. Ubisoft have or had a problem with the memory structure of the PS3, other developers don’t seem to.

There is a difference between speculation and analysing: Funny how when Analysts predict good things for the future for the PS3, you completely debunk anything they say as guess work and rubbish, well guess what, I’m doing the same with you analysis, like I said its speculation, based on the past, unless you’ve got a crystal ball and can tell the future, that’s all it is, guess work.

You state the PS1 having mulitple CD’s, and was it a problem, No. But then guess what, with the PS2 we went to DVD, see where this argument is going. You realise you can’t constantly say compression techniques all the time because you know it can only go so far, so you start stating that USB HDD drives can be attached to the 360, er, guess what, the PS3 can do that too, what sort of argument is that? Many people still like the fact of having a physical copy of a film or game in their hands, rather than downloading it, and with current speeds and the speed increases we’ll likely see in the next five years, its not quite there yet for such big downloads. Sony pushing their own format, well why not?

And you started your last reply with this:

The failure rate is wrong (according to you and your XBL friends), and say its more like 10-15% Such a high percentage (33%) was completely down to the fact that Sony Fandroids influenced the outcome.

You sad xbot, it was a survey of retailers and their hardware failure returns and that of the repair centres themselves that came to that figure. But thanks for clarifying my argument that all you do is spread FUD, and little to do with facts. All your reply’s are just excuses, when you start to loose an argument, hell why not make something up. Reality, you clearly don’t know the meaning of the word, get a life you xbot troll.

[patriotZero]

PS3 HAS NOT A PROBLEM UBISOFT HAS A PROBLEM..

[green_ghost5]

Yeah.....ummm......okay. PS3 has got problems, just like every other system. Do you develop game for the X360 or the PS3? I doubt that you do.

anyways........I'm tired of this DVD debate, you should go and watch Lionhead diary vid #3 it talks about fitting a big game on a DVD.

oh, and I know for a fact that Assassins creed is not larger than Mass Effect......did Bioware complain......no they didn't!

[patriotZero]

SHUT UP

[green_ghost5]

You STFU, boy. Uncharted looks stupid! who the hell wants to play MGS4. I mean c'mon Snake is the dumbest character I've ever seen in a game. He asks way too many dumb questions. "Why am I here to stop them from useing nukes" Oh gee I wonder why? What a dumba$$

@drpirate &23.3
I'm not stupid, first off. It is my opinion, and yes I could have worded it better, granted I do lose my temper very easily. I just don't like the Metal Gear series, there's no denying it's success, but I just never liked it any. I'm a Splinter cell fan. I was was just trying to point out that every system has it's flaws. then that guy ^^^^^^ told me to shut up. I don't know about you, but where I come from, someone says that to me their f***! It makes me more angry, because he wasn't standing in front of me when he said it. I would have really f*** that guy up! Yes I take anger management! No I don't go and kill people, nor do I want to!!!

[DrPirate]

Wow Green Ghost....

Just wow.

I hate the Sony fanboys on this site, but holy Christ man....

Just...Wow. Taking stupidity to a whole new level.

[power091999]

I stopped reading at "who the hell wants to play MGS4".

I guess nobody wants to play that game... it's trash.

People can give opinions but at least make them somewhat plausible. That's just a terrible statement.

There are a few games that both fanboi's have to agree looks like a fantastic game. Metal Gear series is just good for gamers in general. It raises the bar for it's genre.

It's cool if your a fanboi but at least make legitimate statements.

[scrillakiller]

how is it then that killzone 2 is being hailed as the best looking console game ever.explain mr power of green cuz by ur logic of 256 vs 512 that would be impossible.get over it ps3 is the strongest out!just play what u have and enjoy it.another question.does anyone know if the 360 can handle deferred rendering/lighting?and provide proof not just fanboy comments

[sak500]

" how is it then that killzone 2 is being hailed as the best looking console game ever.explain"

By only the blind sony glasses wearing ps3 droids. Its nothing but cod2 level looking game. Oh sorry u guys dint play that. How about Gears? No. i guess not you fonydroids haven't played that either. So then its fine if you hype it as the best looking ps3 title.

[xplosneer]

That was idiotic. Comparing Killzone 2 to Call of Duty 2. Wow. Just Wow. Gears is fair, considering IMO that it's the best graphical game on Xbox 360. But COD2? .....

[sajj316]

First, I don't think it was Jade Raymond that made the call regarding his comments. She's a producer of the game. It had to come from someone higher up.

It could be very well possible that certain things were cut out or downgraded to fit onto a single DVD. It is VERY possible that could have happened.

[TeaDouble_E]

Im not buying it.

[beavis4play]

you said it. too many other titles look much better.(ratchet,COD4,uncharted ,ME)

[bootsielon]

Reprimanded him for speaking his mind, lol. After Ubisoft has been constantly trash talking about PS3, but not necessarily 360, one wonders why they only took back their statement on 360... actually I don't wonder, I know what's happening.

[waldopepper]

"Like I said before, all of you guys are happy with 56% failure rate, Non HD MAJOR titles. (Halo3, the biggest game for the xbox.. ever) And second rate technology that is just going to continue to get embarrassed. I know you love the sound of your dvd drive reading a disc. Lets google the "towel method to avoid RROD." And see the videos on youtube as well!

Its a shame that you think I am making something up.

Try to prove me wrong. I want to see you embarrass yourself."

1. Who exactly is "happy" with a high hardware 360 failure rates? I've had two 360's crap out on me now and I'm not happy about it!

2. No-one can argue that it's low but that aside, where has your precise 56% failure rate come from - can you link to this? The only 'official' word on this is an estimate from 'retailers' that it's around 33%.
http://www.ripten.com/2007/...

I guess unless you can prove yourself right, you might be embarrassing yourself.

[guerojose]

Dude, if you can't make your point without using words like "queer" and "homo", you should be banned. You should also get some help resolving your bigger issues.
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[Goldsack]

>>> when practically everyone redbox has a DESIGNFAILURE!!!

[Funky Town_TX]

all over again. As if we don't know the specs of the systems. There will always be limitations for a system.

[guerojose]

Wow, a single phone call, and the limitations of DVD vanish! Those guys at Microsoft really are technical wizards.

Or maybe by "compression" they mean the way the elbow and shoulder joints get compressed as the arm is twisted behind the back.

[snoop_dizzle]

people i think take this just a little too seriously.

if the ps3 version or the 360 version looks slightly better, so what?
If its drastic ok i can see the argument.

it sounds like both versions will be great.

Graphic whores are at an all time high right now.

ex. omg altair has 50 more polys on teh ps3 than on the 360 version! teh 360 es doomed!

[Meus Renaissance]

Is all it takes for the problems to magically disappear then maybe every developer needs a "call from the boss"?

EDIT: He said "I learnt my lesson". I guess he got told to STFU lol.

[WafflesID]

Maybe there really wasn't a "problem" at all. Maybe it was just a MINOR workaround for each issue that was hardly worth making a note of, and any mention of these minor issues could only serve as flamefuel for the fanboys.

[WafflesID]

Bunch of damn fanboys on this site.

Nothing but trolling everywhere you look.

[THE_JUDGE]

this guy got a pretty quick shush up! I think that they will fit it all on the DVD9 by just cutting the game itself. No one would be the wiser if they took some parts out. They wouldn't have to tell anyone or give an advantage to either system.

[PimpHandHappy]

this game will suffer from hype. When we get this game and we see ugly framerate drops and stuttering graphics you will understand why hype is not a good thing.

I hope its good but i can see it getting 7-7.5 all day

[happyjimmy]

The only way to fix this problem is to go ps3 only. Trust me as time goes by 9 gigs will become like 9 megabytes. Its too bad gta iv had to suffer because of 360s mistake.

[ReBurn]

It's funny you mention that, considering most of the trailers for both GTA4 and Assassins Creed are shown running on the 360.

But if that's what you want to believe, go right ahead.

[happyjimmy]

So this somehow changes the fact that 360 uses a last gen dvd with very little space? No. It changes the fact that rockstar called 360 out for its lack of HDD and its lack of space on its dvd? No it doesnt. Face the facts dude.

[wangdiddy82]

People you cant believe everything you hear on the internet.. And look what website it is coming from.. I think only one website had this as news too.. Dont believe this crap.. Its fake news to generate hits..

[7ero H3LL]

games like blue dragon ,and Lost Odyssey,were 22 and 36 gigabyte games.

Is this game really worth buying after realizing their problems that had to be fixed,and possibly be ending up like pore games.

Id wait for the review on this game (both versions)

other people are probably thinking of other games they want rather than this one.

for me right now i'm thinking of getting mass effect.

[KINGDRAMA]

its just that chick everyone sweats. i see better looking women everyday. these nerds are in awe becuz theres no women in the gaming industry. out of a scale of 1-10 shes like a 6-7. go to times square and youll see 10's all around u. no makeup needed.

as far as this game.......um no. not a buy.

[KINGDRAMA]

youre still 50 years old and still a loser. so in real life U HAVE NO BUBBLES.

um yeah and by the way software can be rewritten and learned by devs. hardware is hardware........so far the only ones to add new IMPORTANT functions to their system is SONY through firmwares.

so the 360 is sh1t out of luck. 1 more year is all it has left, then all of u can go buy the real xbox360 not this xbox 1.5 u all swear by.

happy game scratching and rroding to all of u

[Pain]

just a stab in the dark.

[KINGDRAMA]

by next year 360 will be in the news for the pos that it truly is.

ps3= Product Of Superior quality
360= Piece Of Sh1t

[sak500]

Cuz this year's POS award has already been taken by ps3

[BLACKJACK VII]

LOL, a PHONE CALL fixed the problem...

That doesn't sound like a problem, that sounds like BS !

After a phone call, suddenly: "There is no problem anymore. It's gone"

What about his other comment on the PS3's memory problems ???? It was strangely not even addressed in this article.... It will be interesting to see IF the 360 version ships on one disc & IF the PS3 version has framerate issues....

Funny sh!t - LMAO !!! Great idea to piss off fanboys on both sides there Patrice ! Hope you were'nt making this sh!t up or exaggerating it to draw attention to your game !!!

[ReBurn]

At least it wasn't a big problem. I'm just curious as to which version is going to be better. That's the one I'll buy.

[Awesomeo3000]

forget the issues ill care once i see a battle in this game without every enemie just standing around waiting to be the next person to fight its just plain retarded yea its cool u can run away and climb anything but some people like to deal with smart ai and fast pace action the game almost seems as if its turn based.

[Spike47]

are just so stupid.

especially the 360 fanboys.

it's mainly the reason why this post reaches 114.

anyway, I'm gonna get this on the pc.

[jackdoe]

Of course it is gonna be fixed. The game is coming out in November after all. Don't see how you can really argue about something as simple as that.

[Ahhhh]

@Einherjaren - You talk like your a PS3 Fanboy.. and if so then you probably have played and probably like WarHawk.. so by your logic.. then that means cause Warhawk has a "Small Size" then it sucks right??

[Laexerias]

Dunno where to post but: ive not played with my XBox since ive done Bioshock and that was 3 days after release and so.. ive started it yesterday and got a RRoD.. and i dunno what to do, sure im a PS3 Fanboy, but i wont let my Consoles die, cause i love every of my consoles, just like they are kids, one more than other one but still they are my consoles.. and i dunno what to do? I dont want send it to Microsoft cause its will take to long for me, im a busy man and. Dunno. Ive tryed bunch of methods to cure it like:
Take off the unecessary cables and the accessoires and started it and some stuff
~_~ N> Help, cause i wanna play Naruto Rise of Ninja, goddamned. D:

[stuntman_mike]

so have they cut out the bit that in one of the houses theres a naked picture of jade raymond on the wall i hope they havent or im sending it back.

[joydestroy]

i believe some dumbass said the 360 and PS3 versions were going to be delayed, and i promised the 360 wouldn't be delayed due to compression and the size of space they had to work with...and...well there ya go.
fixed.

as for the PS3, if it gets delayed, which it just might, i hope it's better than the 360 version. one simple improvement they could make is not compressing the audio files and using raw formats....

i dunno...if i were a dev, i'd be all over the PS3 just to see what i could do with it, how far i could push it.

[Dhani]

I REALLY HOPE THERE IS NO MODE WHEN PLAYING ASSASSINS CREED, BECAUSE THEN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE THIS STUPID THING WHERE YOU UNLOCK SOMETHING ON HARD OR WATEVR AND MAKE SURE EVRYONE ONE OF YALL BUY(CALL OF DUTY 4)

[Dhani]

I REALLY HOPE THERE IS NO MODE WHEN PLAYING ASSASSINS CREED, BECAUSE THEN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE THIS STUPID THING WHERE YOU UNLOCK SOMETHING ON HARD OR WATEVR AND MAKE SURE EVRYONE ONE OF YALL BUY(CALL OF DUTY 4)

[test123123]

Find a bit weird. If there is no enough space, just put on multiple disc. So How can there be a disc issues???

[IntelligentAj]

Better news for us gamers.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

who?

edit: I wasn't really serious with the question. most here are busy fighting the fanboy wars makes one doubt if they got any time to play and be a gamer.

[IntelligentAj]

Those who own a 360 or PS3. If the problems(if there really were any) are fixed then that great because they'll be little or no major problems with the games on either system.

[jaja1434]

What a dummy. This is a million dollar business. In some industries this type of slippage would result in the source hanging from a noose under and bridge in London.

[SlaughterMeister]

Phone call from Jade Raymond...

Lucky guy.