Gran Turismo Devs Says Forza Leads With Features

The creator of Gran Turismo, Kaz Yamauchi has come out and stated that the Xbox 360 Forza Motorsport 2 is way ahead of Gran Turismo in terms of feature sets it offers to its users.

Polyphony Digita's Kaz Yamauchi stated that the two companies do things very different in regards to how they approach the development of the game.

He believes though that Gran Turismo is still the superior product as Forza has a lot of substance but not all of it is quality, where Gran Turismo is pure quality gold.

[HeartlesskizZ]

(Gran Turismo is still the superior product as Forza has a lot of substance but not all of it is quality, where Gran Turismo is pure quality gold.)

To me they both are great. so to each console their own =)

[jromao]

...and GT will receive updates after release.

[JokesOnYou]

I dont know what he's referring to that lacks quality but its good to know that at least he even knows Forza is way ahead of GT in feature sets it offers, his quality comment just kind of seems like what any dev HAS TO BELIEVE "Mine is better than yours"=

JOY

[mesh1]

seems to me that the makers of gt5 are not to confident.

[Makroyale]

Without boasting about how much better his product is.

[synce]

I think Yamauchi was a bit generous when he said that Forza has more features. All they have over GT is a poorly implemented livery editor and an auction house to go along with it.

GT does everything else better, ESPECIALLY the replays. FM2 has the worst replay angles I've ever seen, period. Turn 10 can tout that you can watch exciting races online, but they're far from exciting because 1) you can't see half the sh*t that goes on, and 2) switching between cars take several seconds of loading.

And the reason that FM2 does so many things so underwhelmingly is hardware related. That's why it runs at half the resolution of GT5. That's why it has half the cars on track. That's why the cars have half the polygons. That's why there's no dashboard cam.

What? Car damage? Yeah, it - could - be a nice feature in racing games. It's too bad that almost everyone online will either try to break down your car if you're in first place (like I often am) or turn off damage entirely to prevent said losers from spoiling the race. So much for that little feature!

But really, my god. Watching videos of GT5 in motion makes FM2 look last gen in comparison. GT forever.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

Yeah, Ill admit of what I seen so far on GT5....But, I bet there boring sim racing game cant do this:

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

Be patiente, and enjoy the vid above. Because GT5 can never be as fun as that.

The more disagrees I get the more right I am, RIGHT? lolololol

You FONYS can SUCK IT, yes im 14, b!tches....So I can act however I want....

EDIT: YEAH, even without your disagrees fony boys, IM STILL RIGHT!!! lololol!!!

EDIT: @Installshield...YOU DIMWITTS, didnt you just read what I posted? ITS FUN, okay bro...

[Kleptic]

So you are saying GT5 doesn't allow you to change camera angles during a replay?

you are probably right...GT 1 through 4 allowed that, so GT5 probably will not include it anymore...idiot...you are what is wrong with video gaming...

[cuco33]

Not to bash GT series, I loved it since the first but was very disappointed with 3 and 4 seeming like the same thing just minor tweaks. The franchise was great but 3 I played less and 4 I played 2 weeks before it started collecting dust.

Forza 2 is a GREAT console racer and I'm sure GT5 will be as well but Polyphony has a HUGE hole to fill after FM2 and frankly graphics alone, no matter how jaw dropping, isn't going to cut it on it's own. For the record, I STILL play Forza 2.

And to 1.1, FORCA PORTO CARALHO!!!

[TheSadTruth]

as a 360 owner I can still admit that Forza and Project Gotham are complete crap compared to Gran Turismo ;(

[sonarus]

We are here talking about realistic racing games and sanderfvukincohen is bringing up PGR4. Compare that with burnout not real racing sims please.
I have a 360 but i refused to get forza on it i played it and it was pretty decent and maybe am jst a die hard GT fan(not sony) but forza wasnt as good as GT4 to me however i did only play the demo and i didnt play it with the wheel which is an essential part of the whole sim experience IMO.

Can any 1 tell me what features forza has that GT dosent asides from the auction, car damage, tuning and car customizations. All of these will probably come in updates car damage and tuning pretty much confirmed and with the release of home am pretty sure the rest will be taking care of. I would like to see forza update to 1080p at 60fps. would like to see them update to even half the graphics of GT5. 16 car races would like to see that too. The new in car steering wheel view is beyond sick. Like the guy said its quality over quantity and GT5 has more quality and updates will take care of the quantity part to.

[cuco33]

YOU'RE MISSING OUT MAN!!!! The best parts of Forza aren't even in the demo! Put it this way, even though I was highly disappointed with GT4 I still loved the series. In my book, Forza sh*ts on GT (that's not saying that GT is bad, it's just light years ahead).

You can do so much but 1st off know that all cars in Forza are ones most use in racing, wether it be amateur or pro series like in SCCA. You won't find a Ford Model T or a Nike shoe car ;)
Here's just 3 things I absolutely love about FM2 that GT doesn't have.
1. online. I know GT5 will have it, it was supposed to have it in GT3/4. No need to wait.
2. paint jobs. custom paint a car any way you like.
3. damage modeling. let's face it, you can win in GT if constantly grinding against the wall or other cars. In FM2 if you have full damage on, you crash the car against a wall on the right side, your whole right side will act funny, like steering, braking, etc. It might not be THE most realistic damage modeling but for a console I thought it was great. Makes you drive right rather than a d*ck. If playing with the wheel, the force feedback will be there when the car keeps veering to the right if you crash. My buddy raced a 25 lapper with us and he complained at the end of the race cuz he crashed 1/2 way through the race and kept holding the wheel against the direction it wanted to go due to the damage.

You'll most likely see all that extra eye candy you mentioned in Forza 3 since the developers really got hashed for having jaggies. Personally I'm big on racing sims (both PC and console) and I'll forgo eye candy any day of the week if the sim acts like a sim and not an arcade racer.

Really hope GT5 lives up to the hype

[BrianC6234]

Was this posted by some Xbox fan to make GT look bad? This interview was posted last week I believe on this site. That should be enough. Why was it posted again with a new spin?

[sonarus]

You just proved my point. Online racing GT5 has not sure how many cars you can race wit believe its 10 or 14 for GT not sure. Custom paint jobs are cool but have nothing to do with sim racing and i repeat absolutely nothing. And then there is the car damage. I have to admit its nice to have because it will only make GT more real that it already is. Unfortunately GT5 will more than likely have this included. Now lets talk about the 700 plus cars GT4 had and GT5 will prob have more(better have more). All those cars that GT will have over forza are the kinda stuff us real racing sim fans look for not custom paint jobs. The feature i am most excited for in GT is not even online or car damage but the new in car steering wheel mode. Thats what sim fans look for not lame as custom paint jobs. I don't play racing sims with controller i use wheel PGR4, burnout, motorstorm, dirt and need for speed those 1's i play with controller but when it comes to racing sim i need my wheel and nothing can be sweeter racing in car steering with my wheel. You may like forza but GT is still better. Also as a gamer my eye gets drawn to graphics the more realer a game looks the more am likely to prefer it. Though its not always the case but it usually is. Gamers always go for graphics.

And for your comment on forza 3 we GT6 will murder that game with ease. Forza 3 still wnt be 1080p 60fps and i honestly dnt believe a game that looks as nice as GT can be done on the 360. I mean the closest game you got to lookin like GT is PGR4 and they were already running out of space on that 1.

[The Wood]

he's a cynic but honest too

[secret]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[power of Green]

He's saying GT's going to look a little prettier but fails to be what Forza is, got it.

[mighty_douche]

maybe we should wait till we actually KNOW what the different features are.

and lets be honest, 'a little prettier'? much much prettier.

[BLlNK]

Grand Turismo is the best selling race franchise of all time. Although Forza was great in many ways, GT5 has better control. IMO. It's a more balanced Sim racer.

[Zhuk]

Gran Turismo while 10 years ago was a groundbreaking game the fact is that it by no means is a true simulation and it hasnt changed that much except for better graphics, if GT5 really wants people's respect over Forza 2 it needs to revamp that old and simple physics system.

It's a fact that Xbox 360 provides gamers with the best racing games to cater for all audiences, from Burnout to PGR to Forza 2 the Xbox 360 gives racers a choice on how they want to play and offers more sophisticated and feature rich gameplay compared to the PS3 and GT5.

I will still enjoy the hell out of GT5 though and am really looking forward to prologue demo

[Makroyale]

and it never will.

[mirroredderorrim]

I like how you twist the words of a highly regarded game developer.
Nice job.

[sonarus]

A little pretier? lol tell me when they start comparing screens of forza with real life then we can talk about a little prettier. GTHD even has better graphics than forza . I honestly cnt wait for GT to get its tuning and car damage and dynamic weather. Silly car manufacturers dnt want their cars damaged they should jst give GT the go ahead so silly forza fans can shut up. Forza bearly holds a candle to GT4 and you wanna compare it to GT5 get serious man

[snoopgg]

Which game has more cars? I thought Granturismo always had more cars. I buy this game for the cars, not other features that the game really doesn't need.

[therealwillie]

i doubt gt will have more cars seeing as it takes like 170 odd days for one person to make one of them, but they will be shiny!!!

[power of Green]

Most people buy games attempting to be a sim for the options, control or feel and customization. You may buy a sim thats more arcade than sim but car nuts buy sims for more than being able to drive mini vans and other cars no one cars about.

[therealwillie]

ya but lets say i owned a crappy little van, i'd like to be able to play it, besides forza really wasnt that good.

[Jdoki]

Just because a game states it has 100's and 100's of cars, if they are only marginally different what's the point?

I'd rather have less cars from a wider variety of manufacturers, than a 98, 99, 2000,01, 02, 03 etc etc etc Subaru Impreza variation.

This is a criticism of any game that promises hundreds of cars...

[WIIIS1]

Ahahahahahaha! Straight from the dev's mouth - and the words are:-
(a) Forza is "waaaaaaaay ahead" of GT;and
(b) "I am having difficulty explaining the differences" [choke] when justifying GT.

Wonder what the Sonyboys' spin is going to be now...

[mighty_douche]

GT5 doesnt even have a release date yet, i expect roughly a year to go. their compairing a finished game to one thats still in development. lets all try and refrain from the fanboy crap your trying and wait untill we see an official list of GT5's cars and features.

[Bathyj]

How can you misquote the article when its right there? Waaaaay ahead? He doesn't even said that. You should just be happy he gave the game props and accept it gracefully. Look the word up if you dont know what it means.

And as for explaining the differences I think the watch thing is pretty good.

The only thing Forza really really has up on GT is a paint option that could have been a lot more user friendly.

Oh, and damage. Awesome. Shame the whole game looks like a car wreck.

Enjoy your Casio.

[WIIIS1]

The watch thing is pretty good? How can the watch analogy possibly be good? Why not try something a bit more relevant like a car analogy? You don't ever hear about a luxury or performance car ever having less features than a low-end car do you?

And why are you telling us how we should react to an admission by a dev of the inferior features in their game? At least we have a basis to gloat, unlike some who gloat over a game that hasn't even been released. Where were you with your sagely advice when your camp gloats without basis?

Yep, go enjoy your Toyota dressed up as a Lexus 'cos that's what GT is all about next to Forza - branding and appearances.

[THC CELL]

OLD

[HarryEtTubMan]

ha ha ha. Forza wants to be like Gran Turismo so bad. The whole idea for Forza came from Gran Turismo. They are in the top ten best selling games of all time. When its all said and done u can SEE which one is Gran Turismo and which is Forza.

[psycho360]

Yep can't wait for the year to just fly away.

[Genki]

Good of him to give credit where it's due at least.

[mighty_douche]

its always nice to see someone give props to another developer...

still you judging by some of the comments here you'd believe he said "GT5 is crap next to fonza, if i was a ps3 owner id sell it and get a 360, its obviously a far superior machine, I HATE SONY!!!"

[PopEmUp]

Forza 2 comparing to GT is like when you "buy a watch that is super multifunctional, but economical, or a watch that is reduced in functions, but premium - higher end."

[Lex Luthor]

Analogy = SERIOUS FAIL

Considering gameplay and features wise Forza is far supurior to GT.

Gt5 is gonna be like driving on soap, while bouncing off walls.

[Grim]

I hope GT5 is better in terms of car handling than 4 because to call that a sim is laughable! It sucked balls IMO. Forza 2 has quite realistic handling but still not a patch on GTR2 on PC.

[Zhuk]

the fandroids think Gran Turismo is a sim because they dont know any better, sometimes i feel sorry for them because they havent played real sim racing games on PC and 360

[Makroyale]

I don't know who you're trying to kid, but every Gran Turismo game ALWAYS bested ANY other game on any other console EVEN PC. Forza for the original Xbox was Good, not comparable to Gran Turismo. Forza II isn't even as good as the PS2 Gran Turismo.

This won't be any different.

[Shadow Flare]

I realise GTR may be brilliant but, don't use use keyboards for pc games?...heavy...

Gran Turismo has and still recieves endless praise.

FOR

A

REASON

[Bonsai1214]

you know, there's a reason why professional drivers use GT4 to train on tracks they haven't raced on yet...

[Lex Luthor]

Gran Turismo = style over substance

Great car models but thats it, Pgr 4 has far supurior environments and weather while forza has more suprior features and gameplay.

[XxZxX]

and sadly your comparison failed.

[Primetimebt]

I think he missed the part where PGR4 had to cut things out of there environment because there is just not enough room on DVD9.

[Bathyj]

Is this the part where we're supposed cry, this story should be reported, duplicate, already seen this, flamebait, who approved this.

Sorry Xbots, not my style. I'll just read it and move along.

And by the way, you could post the whole article and give the statement a bit of context. He gave the game props, you should just accept that and not gloat and be obnoxious about it.

[sjappie]

It's developer news, a justified approval according to n4g rules.

Edit below. I didn't know it was a duplicate. Did they apply the anti ps3 spin, on the ps3 site this one came from? Ps3center.com. He copied exactly what was on that ps3 site,so I don't see the spin.

[Bathyj]

Well as you know, I dont report stories but if I was the type I'd call this a duplicate. We read this interview the other day. Only it was the whole interview. This one has only printed a little bit to give the bots a little fodder and rather than accept a bit of praise with a touch of class the majority of the bots just use it as an excuse to knock the best selling racing series of all time. Thats the whole point of this article, that headline and the misquote in the first paragraph of the article that gives it just that bit of extra spice.

[Lex Luthor]

Gran turismo physics and handling always sucked, everyone knew that since the ps2 days, but to call it a sim is a joke as 9 said.

GTR2 is a true racing sim, bloody hard though.

[mirroredderorrim]

You're mentioning Physics? Give me a ring when any game on a console can be physics accurate or even close.

[titntin]

He's merely saying that forza 2 does a lot of things.

I don't think it does them well though, IMHO it was souless game that didn't have the right chemistry for me, and I stopped playing it weeks ago.

He goes on to suggest that GT may have fewer options, but will do them much better. Without having played it, we can't put that to the test, but given how much I've loved previous versions, and looking the obviously far better visuals, I'm prepared to beleive him.

@ Zhuk Your comments on the 360 providing a more varied group of racing games is actually quite wrong - I play all the racing games on all the systems, and with the likes of Sega Rally, Dirt, Ridge Racer 7, NFS Carbon, Full Auto 2, MotorStorm and now GTA, you would have to be blind not to acknowledge that theres a diverse range of top racers on the PS3 system. Indeed, theres nothing on the 360 that comes even close to the motorstorm experience, which, love it or loath it, is a unique game in terms of visual fluidity and racing 'feel'.

I'll continue to play racing games on both the top systems - but I expect to be totaly blown away by GT and I am eagerly anticipating its release. Real racers get their kicks whereever they have to go!!:)

[CaliGamer]

FLAME ON....
Sounds like he has a respect for Forza, I would be skeptical of the tone that is conveyed. I have seen interviewers get answers of a certain sort just by asking certain questions of people, not to mention we don't have the full interview to compare notes with what has been written.

In any case, it seems like a very legitimate point made here, there nothing wrong with a multi function watch, it helps you cheat on test, and shows you where north is, but if your going out to a swanky restaurant with that special lady, a calculator on your wrist will not do. Why do you think most luxury cars have analog clocks in them?

[mesh1]

all i can say about PS3 fan boys is that ive noticed all ps3 big hiters as they claim are remakes of all franchizes which were great but yet to be testerd this gen,the xbox 360 is bring out original titles that have become AAA games and brand new ips like bioshock/masseffect/graw series /alanwake/toohuman/e.t.c which are shaping up to be amazing games,ps3 owners seem to believe that new ips cant make a name for them selves and old ips which we have seen so manny off can dont they remeber that their ratchet/mgs/ff/tekken6/ were 1s new ips haha? and the thing that hurting them the most is that these new ips are actually ground breaking, (opps i forgot gears of wars )so im happy with my 360 as i,m seeing freeesh new games like mass effect not recycled games like mgs4 which may be a good game but i know it all.

[titntin]

In the cold light of reason, your argumnets makes little sense and seems little more than fanboyism.

That the title under discussion IS a follow up title to a much loved IP cannot be disputed, but its being compared to a 360 game that is also a follow up title Forza 2 - or should we talk about PGR4?

If you want to talk about fresh IP's lok no further than Resistance fall of Man, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword. These are the best selling games on PS3 and are all exciting new IP's, so you really didn't look very hard. In comparison we see, PGR 4, Halo 3, Ace Combat 6, COD 4 etc ect on 360, so there are plenty of long running IP's on this console too.

In reality, we all want to see fresh and exciting IP's on all formats, but theres ceratinly nothing wrong with an update of an already popular format as well, and there's no differnece in the approach of any consoles line up in this regard.

[killedinaction9]

I think as a game GT5 will be better.
Forza was great fun but in the end it got really repetitive.I felt like i was playing the same 3or4 circuits everytime.Damage and physics were excellent,the addition of damage really made you drive in a different way.Graphics were good enough,although it really depended on the colour of the car.Some colours made the car look great, others
sh!t(Im pretty sure navy was one of em).
Looking forward to forza 3.

[Einherjaren]

Is gonna do for the Ps3 what GT3 did for the PS2!!

I don't like Forza because of it's childish graphics..
GT lacks abit of in-game features as of this moment, but remember that it's only the prologue which comes out soon!
The full game will have more features and PD are gonna put in alot of add-ons and updates!!

[WIIIS1]

The full game will have more features according to you or to the devs?

[Venom_Blood]

all you kids stop acting like they insulted your mom, is a game for f@@k sakes.

[Jdoki]

Any game that raises the bar in an area is a good thing. Forza 2 does some amazing things, and if that pushes Polyphony to do better with GT5 then that's a good thing.

I felt Forza 2 was a bit 'sterile', but once you get the force feedback wheel it's a phenomenal game.

I hope GT5 features physics and feel as good as Forza 2 as GT4 was a big disappointment. The onyl downside of GT5 is that if it does handle well I'll need to buy another forcefeedback wheel (unless a hack comes out to get the 360 wheel and PC wireless adapter working).

Nice to see devs giving props to each other.

[Grim]

@Makroyale
"Gran Turismo game ALWAYS bested ANY other game on any other console EVEN PC."
WTF have you been smoking? I want some if it makes Gran Turismo better than GTR2! GTR2 sh!ts all over any console racer and will do for ever more. It is true simulation racing not this "real driving simulator I can still drive half way down the straight on the grass then rejoin and overtake someone at the end of the straight crap" Gran Turismo better than GTR2?! Give me a break!

[zag]

If the guy mneans being able to crash the body wonderful.

For me I'd go to say that if y0ou can drift a car properly in GT then you can get the exact same thing in real life.

Forzza 2's car handling is very poor you take a corner correctly and the car always under steers doesn't matter what the car model is, also feels very arcade at best.

PGR4 will be crap, they have people hanging off bike the wrong way and yet still go around the corner... lol.

do that in real life and you'll be dead.

And people claim this to be a sim bah hahahaha.

[ben hates you]

ive never heard of the game forzza, but i do like forza motorsport good game same as gt, both may be sims but each will probley have diffrent features

[supaflypriest1]

"PGR4 will be crap, they have people hanging off bike the wrong way and yet still go around the corner... lol.

do that in real life and you'll be dead.

And people claim this to be a sim bah hahahaha"

Are you serious?? "Will be crap",PGR4 is already out and is a excellent game, and who claims that it is a Sim????

[rushbd]

This article was posted here before. With out the pro-xbox spin to it.

What Mr. kaz did was to show the respect to a fellow games developer. And what you worthless pieces of s#its are doing is insulting a respected developer for creating something that your favorite console will never have.

Thats right doing such things makes you worthless. being a blind fanboy you are , it also made you lose your sense of correctness. You are all perfect example of how a simple product can make human lose his values.

[1337 gamer]

lool u xbox fans make me laugh. u believe him when he said "Forza Motorsport 2 is way ahead of Gran Turismo in terms of feature sets it offers to its users" but u dont believe when he said that "Gran Turismo is still the superior product as Forza has a lot of substance but not all of it is quality"

[supaflypriest1]

I would hope the quaility would be better with GT5, how long has it been in development??? If i took 5 years to paint my room, i would hope the end result would be better than if i only spent 1 year...

I'm sure GT5 will be a great game, but damn, can they release it any sooner?

[Shadow Flare]

When Gran Tusismo and Forza get compared, 'damage' always crops up. But ya know, when i buy a game, i like to see things that i've never seens before. So ask yourself:

-Would you rather Gran Turismo 5 have standerd damage physics like Forza 2 and have kinda lame graphics and run at 720p, with no ray-tracing or anything like that?

OR

-Would you rather Gran Turismo 5 have no damage and have graphics that look like real-life and a level of graphical realism that has never, ever been seen before in a game?

I know the split might be half and half to be truth but i personally would rather have GT5 the way it is now and see things that make my eyes bleed, not damage physics that i see in every single racing game

But of course, if GT5 did include damage, it would be the most realstic damage physics anywhere. And that's what makes Polyphony Digital great

[skynidas]

Gran Turismo rocks!

[Mars Attacker]

Forza 2 has been out for months now and GT5 full version won't be out until at least July 2008. How can you compare two games that come out over a year apart? By the time GT5 is released, Forza 3 probably won't be far behind.

delaystation 3... Keep bragging. Keep rationalizing. Keep waiting. Pay for the GT demo this Christmas. LOL! Meanwhile, by the time GT5 full version comes out, I'll have been playing Forza 2 for over a year and PGR4 for ten months. Not to mention the new Burnout and NFS games.

No doubt GT5 full version will be an awesome game. Better graphics than Forza 2, but still lacking in physics engine and REAL damage modeling. Even still two birds in hand is way better than one in the bush.

The PS3 really needed a AAA game like the Full version of GT5 this Christmas. Knowing the way PS3 games seem to continually get delayed; I wouldn't be surprised to see GT5 as a Christmas 2008 release, rather than late summer 2008. Selling a demo is a sure sign that the full version is a long way off. The time spent by the developers getting the demo together, certified and packaged to sell is only going to delay the full version that much longer.

[lodossrage]

I KNEW this was gonna be taken as "the develop saying forza is better". It goes to show how many children are at the board rather than adults.

All the developer is doing is praising a competitor. But the way a lot of the people took this was the developer saying he had an inferior product when compared to Forza.

If you guys can't distinguish between praise and admitting superiority then you have some growing up to do.

Point is just as the GT developer is saying. QUALITY over dull QUANTITY. And yeah I have all the gt and forza games so I can say THIS with unbiased FACT, Gran Turismo IS MUCH HIGHER QUALITY than Forza

[dylantalon]

you guys are all idiots. this dude kaz yamauchi is a humble dude from japan, he's not a bragger like most people are. gran turismo and forza has always been two diferent games. in gran turismo you have tests to get license. and in gran turismo, you can buy a 89 supra and soup it up and race in many dif races which you can really do in forza. in gran turismo, you get a feeling that the cars you have are yours.

[sjappie]

I doesn't strike me as being super confident about the game. It's more like pre-release damage control.

I don't like Forza myself, it's PGR4 all the way for me.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

He's probably one of the most confident guys in the entire world. GT3 outsold any of the Grand Theft Auto games on PS2. He's pretty confident about his product. If you had played the concept GTHD on the PS3, you'd know that GT5 is going to be the end-all, be-all of racing games.

[sjappie]

What I do know is that I'm not used to this kind of honesty by Sony devs. I never heard a dev say, by himself, that a rival game was way ahead in features. Especially pre-release.
Normally they just say: "It couldn't be done without Bluray".

[ACE]

forza 2 is a better game then gt any day this is fact.....

go on sony fanboys attack me now for speaking the truth .

both games r good but forza 2 any day over gt .

i have both games too and i say forza the amount of things u can do to ur car is amazing and the paint jobs WOW!!!!! .

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Dude...there's really not much I can say here.

If you believe that, then there's no saving you.

[sanderFVCKINcohen]

Leave that black demon, dusted with great nothingness, and let the new FALCON VERSION, lift your petty spirit up high without the PROD, and you will finally see the LIGHT!!!!

[fredy]

tell me about the features and Gameplay vs FORZA?

I think forza might be a balance of everything but GT is def going for the best looking game.

Now ask yourself in a car game "trying" to imitate real racing, whats more important?

If the cars looking great with 8 million polygon counts then thats fine, I'll go with the Sim that comes closer to reality with more features.

[Mercutio]

PGR is Good, better environmental grapics( bess racing game i have ever played), but GT Kills it with cars texturing, i cant wait for that one, GOLD !

[TheMART]

"Xbox 360 Forza Motorsport 2 is way ahead of Gran Turismo in terms of feature sets it offers to its users."

It sounds to me as its going to be GT4HD all over again. It looks nice, but the cars drive like sh!t.

I'd rather play Forza 2 then a real good sim, or Forza 3 @ Christmas 2008 which will combine Forza 2's options & gameplay with updated visuals

[Bill Gates]

Kids, take notice, this is called propaganda. This article has been posted before without the Xbot spin to it, but since GT5 Prologue Demo is due out a week from today, well……you know how M$ works. Time to start spreading propaganda to try and turn the public’s attention. No matter what M$ does or what their little XTWATS think, NOTHING M$ has programmed them to say/believe will turn me away from being excited about this Demo, and future full game.

Everyone who is hating on this game is JEALOUS. Jealous of how it looks, jealous of its future potential, and implementation with Home, just plain JEALOUS.

Forza has NO CLASS, and NO GRACE. That’s a FACT!!, and it shows very well with Forzcrap 2…AAHHHAAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAHA

[sjappie]

If he said this, then there's no spin involved.

[ps3gogetitt]

Visually FOrza 2 don't come close to GT5 but gameplay wise forza 2 leaves GT5 in the dust.... Give me GT5 visuals with Forza 2 physics model and I am forever grateful

[mighty_douche]

a quote from you ..."gameplay wise forza 2 leaves GT5 in the dust.... "

right, id like to know how people leike you come up with this unjustified crap, have you played GT5 yet? no, so how do you suggest what the quality of the gameplay is like?

i bet many of you claiming how much better fonza is than an unreleased game dont even bloody own FONZA. articles like this just give many the chance to get their one up on "X" console with the usual "my consoles bigger than your console" crap.

lets wait till both games are released before we start comparing things like gameplay huh.

[patriotZero]

Forza developers always sit in Studio but Kazu and his crew walk around the world for GT.. That's huge different eh? Turn10 needs practice

[goodganja]

Gran Turismo's devs decided to be humble and praise the competition. That's how you know you're THAT good.

The difference is this. IF and this is a big if, Forza indeed was better than GT(which it isnt) Gran Turismo is still a system seller and outsells titles such as Halo to this day. Even Halo hasnt surpassed the total sales of Gran Turismo. Either way, Gran Turismo will be AAA and this is another exclusive that will sell at least 3 million PS3's. Believe that.

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

[TalyngarTheBlack]

You all look at the entire interview that I posted on N4G on October 1st with no spin either way. http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Instead of acting like 5 year olds read the entire story and then post comments.

[JIN KAZAMA]

Its called being HUMBLE and showing HUMILITY. Its not about them not being confident. I am SO glad i dont have a 360, so i dont have to listen to you idiots online.

PLAY B3YOND

[sjappie]

We're glad you don't own a 360 to.

[Shadow Flare]

lol Jin you're right. My brother used to have the xbox 1 and THE most annoying thing about xbox live is all the racist red-necks, the guys who swear every other word and the stupid kids singing over the head sets. I am so glad i don't have a 360 to listen to you freaks again. I have never heard any annoying people over the psn yet. Probably because the difference is, playstation gamers are, you know, normal. Whereas xbox gamers are the minority, the hard-core and the freakishly retarded

[BloodySinner]

Maybe the difference is you dorks don't have a unified service with over 10 million users? Of course, not to mention the fact there are barely any online games for the PSN that require a headset. Just a second thought.

[Silver Bull3t]

The amount of Sony circle-jerking on this site is truely unbelievable... You asss-tards wouldn't know a good game if it smacked you in the face. FM2 is a SIM, GT is NOT! GT is swell, but for the tuner crowd FM is choice.

G O F O L D

[goodganja]

I dare you to try to imagine folding@home running on the 360.

Running folding @ home on 360 is like committing suicide to your own system cause you know after 90 minutes the 360 will give you RRoD.

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

[hac-hunter]

GT isn't just swell...it's great.

Forza is not just for tuners, I hope you know it also has muscle cars, and European cars as well.

There is nothing wrong with liking one or the other, both, or neither.

[FordGTGuy]

360 physics fps and 70,000+ physic calculations per car on track per second.

[AnalFace]

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[Salvadore]

Both systems are winners.

[randomGuyOnline]

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

If any of you actually read the interview you would know that he said that Forza was taking a different approach to developing a racing game than they were.

He never stated that Forza was "Way" ahead of Gran Turismo in features just ahead. Obviously because they're approach to delivering a racing game are different.

Of course, Kazunori Yamauchi would say that his game was better, I mean it is his game.

"Without a doubt, the preview we were given of GT5 by Yamauchi looks incredible, with fine detail on everything from pit crew to in-car upholstery that Forza 2 could really only dream of. But can the series genuinely better itself? GT4, after all, scored lower than any previous GT game in the reviews."

Polyphony Digital wants to better the series, and so far the game looks great.

To Polyphony Digital I believe it's Gran Tursimo 5 vs their previous game, Gran Turismo 4. They're trying to allow the series to evolve, and believe that they're not in direct competition with Forza.

[squelchy15]

GT always has crap physics..."yes yes! im driving my 200mph car down a straight full throttle....wait lets go 2 mph to turn a corner...full throttle again, oh look ive crashed and all my car done has stopped dead with no bouncing or damage whatsoever"

and the AI is pitiful too...its the only racing game where all the cars follow each other...and if you are in front of them and you stop...the other cars dont even attempt to turn around you, no way...the ram you straight from the back...HAHAHA ive seen better AI on an atari

[squelchy15]

the halo trilogy sales have surpassed those of gran turismo
why do you think that halo is the biggest selling game ever
you really are a stupid fanboy arent you?
mentioning the stupid folding@home sh1t...i dont think hardly any of us give a sh1t about that

[kevin1122]

are you retarded, halo hasnt outsold gran turismo. halo isnt close to being the highest selling game either, or franchise. there are about 20 ahead of it.

[MRMagoo123]

well squelchy u will now have to insert ur foot in ur mouth stupid

[PimpHandHappy]

thats what GT is. It doesnt have the damamge like forza2.

i like how he compliments Forza. That game is the closest thing to a driving simulator on the 360 and if i owned a 360 thats the game i would be playing.

btw guy above me.

i use folding home. I wont say its the greatest thing because its not. But the idea of it is killer.

[psycho360]

LOL we are enjoying forza 2 and pgr4 NOW U fanbois. U have to wait one more year for your game. By that time ps3 will be 199$ and we can all buy it if we want to play GT5.

[PS360PCROCKS]

you guys are turning this into a flame war? He is giving credit to Turn 10 and saying that while they take alot of time working on the game and spreading that dev time out over alot of feature sets. Polyphonic likes to reduce the scope of what their implementing to make sure their perfecting what they want to do. Both are great games and if you can't agree on that your just blind.

[PimpHandHappy]

i have Dirt and Motorstorm holding me over still. When you say if WE want to play GT5? GT is the biggest selling racing franchise in history. That means alot more then just the 12million 360owners might want to play it. Real life race car drivers dont use PGR to practice. They use GT

Its funny that someone disagreed with me when i say the idea of folding home is killer. Its use to find cures of some really bad stuff. If you dont think its a good idea to give them a hand in doing the math then your truley lost and in fact a hatefull bitter little person.

Forza and PGR wont look NO WHERE NEAR as good as GT5 prolouge. Sorry but its true. It wont have damage but the car itself, like all other GT games, will drive poorly if ur smashing into stuff.

[kn]

Forza 2's physics engine is not just great... It is better than anything that has come before it by A MILE. Yes, better than GT4 and everything else. If you read the reviews, you'll find that non-biased reviewers pretty much say the same. Is GT4 a great game? Yep, it is. Will GT5 be a great game? I highly expect it. But to all the fanboys who bash Forza 2 (and those who bash GT5 without having even seen it) need professional counseling. Forza 2 is great... period. Unless you have played it extensively and have experienced how any small changes to your car noticeably affect handling, you need to shut the hell up. It's the current leader (by a mile) in racing simulations. Period. Yeah, it may change when GT5 comes out, but we'll just have to wait and see now won't we?

[Judge Mental]

I want a fun driving experience, thats it. I have a feeling that GT5 will be a fundementally solid game in the most important aspects.

I don't give a flying crap if you can tweak this and that, I want fast, fun racing with cool, pretty visuals. (not stoopid like ridge racer). The cars have to be distinct and unique.

My only quam I have with this series, is the lack of a dashboard view which really REALLY irritates me. I don't need a hardcore racing sim, but i still prefer feeling of being in the car. Although, im not even positive the new GT5 has a dashboard or not. Anyone??????

[gunmetal]

..for Midnight Club: Los Angeles. For me personally, open course street racing is just so much more fun than the fixed tracks these other games have.

And look, it's multiplatform! So everyone can focus on the important things... like which version has slightly more realistic fog on the mirrors!

[Whoooop]

Comparing Forza with GT is like comparing Kobe Bryant with Michael Jordan...

Kobe may be good, but he damn sure ain't as good as Jordan... AND NEVER WILL.

sooooo ya'll get my drift???

[psycho360]

For realistic crashes i would suggest the burnout series. For sim try Forza 2, For all round arcade fun + online play PGR4. For great looking cars on racing tracks try GT5 (well after a year). There now no need to be angry fanbois.

[tordavis]

GT5 looks better, Forza 2 plays better.
I've always hated playing GT. I tried...I tried hard to like it but it fails in gameplay. Graphically it's the best looking racer ever. Forza 2 and Ferrari 355 are the best sims.

[DJ]

Yeah, Forza has more customization features. But Gran Turismo's still king when it comes to physics, graphics, and the overall experience. But if GT5 (the final one) lacks the cool features that games like Forza introduced (specifically, custom paint jobs and adding body kits), then it will be a bit of a disappointment.

But the developer does specify that they want to nail the core driving mechanics and online features before moving ahead to those kinds of capabilities, which actually are trivial in the grand scheme of things. They already have 3 times the amount of detail that Forza 2 had just for GT5: Prologue, so I'd say they're making some great strides.

[cuco33]

cuz last I checked, the demo to the demo of GT5 wasn't even out yet.

Yet you say the physics and overall experience is still king?!?! Do you know how a car responds under racing conditions? Do you follow automotive racing or race cars yourself to know how an unreleased game feels like?

You know what nailed driving physics for a console racer? The 2nd rendition of Forza did. GT is on it's 5th if you don't count prologues and they are still working on it

Trivial is not offering damage, or custom paint schemes, or the detailed driving physics, or the tuning customization. Focus on the gameplay and options before the graphics. Otherwise GT5 will fall flat on its face.

I really hope GT5 performs as good if not better than Forza 2 otherwise my PS3 purchase will be sold off.

C'mon Polyphony! Don't pull our chain! DELIVER for once

[hac-hunter]

The physics in GT are superior to Forza.
(in the replays, the cars feel/look like they're gliding on the road, more than actually rolling on the roads. They kinda feel "detached", you know what I mean? Cars actually handle better in GT as well. They behave like they would given their power, drive train configurations, tires, suspension configurations, etc.)
The graphics in GT are superior to Forza.
(It's pretty obvious when you take a look at screenshots of GT 5 prologue and Forza2, that GT comes closer to photo-realism than forza does)
The Car and track models in GT are superior to Forza.
(cars look WAY better in GT, so do the tracks)
The replay camera angles in GT are superior to Forza.
The online component in Forza are superior (at the moment) to GT
(XBOX live offers so much more at this point, PSN and GT need to do a lot to catch up to XBOX Live)
The car customization in Forza is superior (at the moment) to GT. (body kits, wheel customization, paint jobs, decals, etc)

Everyone talks about the damage in Forza and how "reallistic" it is. I don't think its well done at all. I was able to take a Nissan Skyline GT-R around a course, crash into a wall head on at 100+MPH and still be able to drive away. We all know that in real life, that is not possible.

[kn]

Forza 2's handling and physics are far from floaty. They are the most realistic physics in any game out currently. Period. If you have truly spent any time playing it, you would most certainly know it. The sense of "realism" in Forza 2 is above and beyond any other title and was a quantum leap forward in racing simulators. GT5 had better deliver on the physics and handling side of the equation first, and graphics second. Obviously if they can do both, that's great, but after playing forza 2, I've been ruined on any other racing game including the (very fun to play) PGR4.

[hac-hunter]

I have played Forza2 for numerous hours (just racing to get money and collect cars) and can tell you that IMHO, GT has the better physics (at least from my experiences between GTHD and Forza2) Each car in GTHD behaves differently even though the level of tuning available is very limited in GTHD (just a demo, not a full game like Forza2). Meanwhile, in Forza for example, if you get two different RWD drive cars with the similar amount of power, set them up with the same tires and suspension, they drive the same. They don't take into consideration the weight distribution of the car (wether it 50/50, 60/40, 55/45 etc). Another example is 4WD or AWD cars slide around like they were RWD cars. whereas in GTHD, I find the Lancer Evo has tons more grip than the G35 and doesn't fishtail as easily as the G35. Take a look at the replays from Forza2 and take a look at the replays from GT, the cars in Forza really do seem detached from the road, like they are gliding on the road. You'll see what I mean if you look carefully. GTHD replays show cars that look like they are actually driving on the road.

Note, I do not have a 360, but I borrowed a friends for a good 2 weeks specifically for Forza2. I can't remember how many hours I spend on the game, but my garage is easily 75+ cars (though not a lot, I did spend a lot of time racing in that game) I have nothing but admiration and respect for that game and am thinking about getting a 360 JUST for Forza. I am not trying to downplay it, but I must give credit where credit is due IMHO.

[kn]

I can't possibly disagree more. The weight of the cars is clearly noticeable. RWD vs. Front wheel drive cars accelerate, corner, and brake differently. High horsepower vs. lower horsepower cars handle completely different. The lower horsepower cars are a lot easier to control and don't spin out as easy, for instance. Also, the AWD cars really behave differently than either the FWD or RWD cars. I can ALWAYS turn out better times with AWD as I like the way they handle better than the others. I guess too each his own, but I'll just leave this little quip for you and move along...

From a Former professional GT racer in Japan on playing a near final build:

"Takeshi Tsuchiya: I was quite impressed at how realistic the earlier versions felt, but this new version is a considerable step up, both the graphics and the handling. They’ve nailed the feeling of actually driving a GT 500 car. There’s practically no difference between the way it feels to hit or release the gas, the braking, or shifting. Although you don’t get much feedback on physical forces like G forces, there’s enough to let you know when you might be headed for trouble. Apart from all that, I just loved racing around in a game in a car that I’d actually driven. Not only is the Eclipse Advan Supra a really cool-looking car, its handling is real sharp – I love it."

I would guess he would have pegged the game as "floaty" given that he has, well, actually raced a real car around a track...

[teto83]

GT is a monster.gt4 was great in every way,yet a little bit dissapointing,because it lacked the online component.
GT5 will set the bar for driving simulators for years to come as burnout is the benchmark for arcade racing.

[rowdy 1]

Can't hold a candle. Have seent he damn screenshots to GT. The game is going to be hot to trot. Stop grasping for hope.

[367 To Your Ass]

NICE VERY NICE........most people should have more respect for their competition....hmph I hope most of you are taking notes.

[BIadestarX]

Like or not... regardless of how much GT developers try to do some pre-release damage control... the fact is that GT will be compared and will go head to head with PGR and Forza... It's innevitable..
The game will be praised on the things it does better than PGR and Forza and flamed on the things it does not. If these features forza have are more important than these so call "Quality" items GT have in the eyes of the reviewers expect them to make lots of noise.

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@SacT0wnF1n3st - actually it's called system abuse.. and that the bubble system in this site is broken and should be upgraded.
I never personally insult anyone here.. nor curse.. or use rasist comments.. and always give a logical explanation for my views and opinion... granted you may not agree with what I have to say just like many Sony fanboys... but the bubble system was put in place to filter those people that instead of giving their opinion about a certain topic go and fill the site with rasism, etc.

But of ofcourse people like you for example.. use the bubble system to shut people from giving their personal opinion about a certain topic just because they don't agree...
I lost 4 bubbles in less than 8 hours... any Idea how this can happen? of course... I can tell you... Sony fanboys use a script to kill people's bubbles.. or organize...

For example, I know how to kill all your bubbles if I want to.
Here is how:

Using Visual Studio 2005 Team system Generate a Unit/System Testing Script and record the steps for generating lots of accounts (100) (easy to do if you have your own exchange or emails)...

Then use Visual Studio to generate another Unit/System Testing script and record he steps for clicking on the red icon(shut this user up) once for each email account... it will emulate (like stress test) a bunch of times... on per each account...

And in case someone goes here and say... uhhh... this site tracks IP addresses... you can easly fix that by dinamically changing the proxy.

I know a few things here and there.. to make people's life misserable... but why would I want to contribute to messing everyone's life up... and making this site worst than it is... for what? bubbles... please...

I have not done the cheaper easiest way out... which is... make another account...

Like the movie spiderman... "with great power comes great responsability..."

I have the power to give myself bubbles... and I have the power to takes yours away...

oh yeah... can't be traced... I can make the process random in order than to do a DOS(Denial Of Service)... different IP.. different proxy.. different emails... for will not...

wouldnt ruin it for the rest just because of a handful of Sony fanboys... though I will not deny it... it's tempthing...

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

1 bubble? what? 1 bubble? what you want to say? dammit too bad. Kissing MS's ass is paying off now isn't it?

Anyway GT4 has about 700 cars compare to a little more than 300 for Forza 2. I don't know if you played GTHD yet but it is a lot better looking than Forza 2. GT for me.

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

oh ya and 50 tracks and 80 manufactures for GT4 I might add

[SaMiR111]

http://foro.noticias3d.com/...

PGR 4 and gt 5

yeah sony fans boys but xbox 360 have = of power graphics

[Close_Second]

...are great racing franchises. Lets remember that GT has over half a decade head start but to me Forza is catching up quickly. I personally think that if you combined the visuals from GT with the physics, customisation, damage modeling from Forza together that you'd have the perfect driving simulator.

Forza 2's visuals were the only real let down - although they were not bad they lacked the same level of refinement gamers have become accustomed to thanks to GT. However, could Forza 3 rectify that? most certainly but only if Forza 3 is released on the next-gen Xbox (i.e. the 720).

[mike_mgoblue]

Forza Motorsport 2 on the Xbox 360 really is the best Racing game ever made.

Look at all the Awards Forza Motorsport 2 has won!

And look at how highly rated Forza Motorsport 2 is...Forza Motorsport 2 has already sold millions of copies.

The truly awesome thing is that Forza Motorsport 2 is actually a lot better now than when it was originally released, because there have been so many new downloads with extra cars and features.

Forza Motorsport 2 really does represent the high-point that other games are using as a high-point to try and reach.

One thing is for sure, though...by the time GT5 gets here in late 2008, Forza Motorsport 2 will have even more features...in fact, we might even see Forza Motorsport 3 shortly after the release of GT5.

As you can tell, I don't like waiting for games that are over a year away, especially when the article says that GT5 won't have as many features then as Forza Motorsport 2 has now!

Forza Motorsport 2 is my favorite racing game of all time.

[Ri0tSquad]

small graphic improvement but more features which isn't a bad thing but I honestly don't think it will sell more the GT5.

[LONEWOLF231]

Another DRONE game in the making! This game will be as fun as ET was for the atari! NICE!!!! Good job with the quality gold yet hallow game!

[etownone]

i guess it depends on what you like... Forza being the most realsitic sim to date...damage, online auction, custom paintjobs, endless custimizations... though GTA5 will not have such key ingrediants that makes Forza so great it will have better graphics....probably the best seen to date.

me personally... i have Forza and i love it... but it would be nice to so off and crank up GT5 on my 50 inch

[Blood_Spiller]

Forza, realistic? Anyone who's driven a car featured in the game will tell you it's far from it.

[patriotZero]

Why don't you go to your home's room and stay there?? You always blablablabla poor MS and droids $$$$$

[Ri0tSquad]

and it looks better then forza and pgr. I expect this game to put these bots back in there place.

[patriotZero]

LA-LI-LU-LE-LO

[jazzmanb]

gran turismo graphically doesnt look that great....it looks good,but not great...pgr4 graphically wipes the floor w/ turismo,if you cant see that your blind..regardless of resolution..ggr4 runs at 60fps at 720p...it also looks far beyong turismo graphically..not in realism,but in overall performance..you ps3 owners are hillarious w/ your graphic claims..there is not 1 ps3 game that looks better than gears,or bioshock..unreal might look a smidgen better than gears when it comes out,but epic cant get the game to lock at even 30fps on the ps3 hardware hence the delays..when unreal comes to the 360,i hope the truth well be out about both systems and their performance..please dont blame epic,when the ps3 version of unreal doesnt look or play as well as the 360 version...this is going to happen,i guarentee it..please stop the excuses already..the ps3 is slightly less powerful than 360..but if you dig the ps3s upcomming games more,be happy you have a ps3...

[jazzmanb]

gran turismo graphically doesnt look that great....it looks good,but not great...pgr4 graphically wipes the floor w/ turismo,if you cant see that your blind..regardless of resolution..ggr4 runs at 60fps at 720p...it also looks far beyong turismo graphically..not in realism,but in overall performance..you ps3 owners are hillarious w/ your graphic claims..there is not 1 ps3 game that looks better than gears,or bioshock..unreal might look a smidgen better than gears when it comes out,but epic cant get the game to lock at even 30fps on the ps3 hardware hence the delays..when unreal comes to the 360,i hope the truth well be out about both systems and their performance..please dont blame epic,when the ps3 version of unreal doesnt look or play as well as the 360 version...this is going to happen,i guarentee it..please stop the excuses already..the ps3 is slightly less powerful than 360..but if you dig the ps3s upcomming games more,be happy you have a ps3...

[jazzmanb]

gran turismo graphically doesnt look that great....it looks good,but not great...pgr4 graphically wipes the floor w/ turismo,if you cant see that your blind..regardless of resolution..ggr4 runs at 60fps at 720p...it also looks far beyong turismo graphically..not in realism,but in overall performance..you ps3 owners are hillarious w/ your graphic claims..there is not 1 ps3 game that looks better than gears,or bioshock..unreal might look a smidgen better than gears when it comes out,but epic cant get the game to lock at even 30fps on the ps3 hardware hence the delays..when unreal comes to the 360,i hope the truth well be out about both systems and their performance..please dont blame epic,when the ps3 version of unreal doesnt look or play as well as the 360 version...this is going to happen,i guarentee it..please stop the excuses already..the ps3 is slightly less powerful than 360..but if you dig the ps3s upcomming games more,be happy you have a ps3...

[jazzmanb]

gran turismo graphically doesnt look that great....it looks good,but not great...pgr4 graphically wipes the floor w/ turismo,if you cant see that your blind..regardless of resolution..ggr4 runs at 60fps at 720p...it also looks far beyong turismo graphically..not in realism,but in overall performance..you ps3 owners are hillarious w/ your graphic claims..there is not 1 ps3 game that looks better than gears,or bioshock..unreal might look a smidgen better than gears when it comes out,but epic cant get the game to lock at even 30fps on the ps3 hardware hence the delays..when unreal comes to the 360,i hope the truth well be out about both systems and their performance..please dont blame epic,when the ps3 version of unreal doesnt look or play as well as the 360 version...this is going to happen,i guarentee it..please stop the excuses already..the ps3 is slightly less powerful than 360..but if you dig the ps3s upcomming games more,be happy you have a ps3...

[hac-hunter]

Was it really necessary to say the same thing 4 times? And I among others on this site (PS3 and Xbox360 fans alike) will disagree with your post saying that GT5 looks crappier than PGR4. GT5 has received nothing but praise and admiration from critics and reviewers for it's graphics. Meanwhile, PGR4's graphical improvements over PGR3 are marginal at best. The Environments have been improved, but other than that, not much. And what does Epic, UT3, Bioshock, and Gears have to do with GT5/Forza?

[kevin1122]

yet another clueless idiot.

[hac-hunter]

Me or jazzmanb?

[kevin1122]

dont worry, i was referring to jazzman.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

This reminds me of when David Jaffe said that God of War didn't have the amazing combo system that Devil May Cry had. Now, that is honesty.

What do you guys mean you're not used to Sony devs being honest? Ken Kutaragi has always praised Nintendo for being innovative, especially when the Wii was announced. Team Ico, desputably the most respected Sony developers, have said that they loved Zelda: Twilight Princess. Even Phil Harrison and Jack Tretton have both said the 360 and Wii had better launches and the PSN was underdeveloped at launch.

Where are you guys at?

[romemac7]

Gran Turismo 3

* 7,130,000 Flag of the United States North America (2001/07/10 ~ 2006/12)
* 5,840,000 Flag of Europe Europe (2001/07/20 ~ 2006/12)
* 1,890,000 Flag of Japan Japan (2001/04/28 ~ 2006/12)
* 10,000 Flag of Hong Kong South East Asia (2001/12/13 ~ 2006/12)
* 14,870,000 total sales (2001/04 ~ 2006/12)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

hell Gran Turismo sold more than xbox 360 lol nuff say, so for all y'all saying PGR or Forza better first look at the number befor talking carp.

@bloodysinner you need to stfu!!!and yea a $50 game gran turismo 3 sold more then you 360 that right i said it as a joke. and stop with you bigger install base whining!!!

[BloodySinner]

Gran Tursimo 3 sold more because the PS2 has a bigger install base. Not because it's the better game.

Yes, you're totally right! A video game ($20-$60) sold more than a $400+ console. Good for you! Brilliant logic!

Get bent, dork.

[Close_Second]

...what percentage of the user base does that account for?

Don't spiel out figures unless you tell the whole story. Sure, GT has sold bucket loads of copies but so has PGR and Forza in terms of the 360 install base.

GT is one of the franchises that has helped shape the PS1, PS2 and will do the same for the PS3. So, smart gamers will have played PGR, Forza and GT...fanboys will only have played GT.

[Wingnut26]

Too many little girls whining about pointless stuff. GT5 will be awesome...the "features" are a waste of effort.

[Covenant]

It takes a big man to admit he's been outdone by a competitor.

Here's my advice for him: Look at what you like from Forza, and then TOP IT with your own game.

Then Forza 3 should try to top THAT.

Nothing like a little one-upsmanship to encourage competition and thus, better games.

[Destiny7]

Did he just say the competitors product is better?

He is just made at life xD

[SDS Overfiend]

But for The Developer to say that Forza has more features you just admmited to the fanboys that its ok to tip your hat to the better product.

As far as GT5 Looking Photo-realistic that cool all all but would you have the Pretty Blonde with no sustance or the cute girl with style and substance?

I can't believe that GT5 will have 16 players online with no graphical hiccups and still move at 60 fps when Madden can't even keep 60 fps for 22 players on field.

GT5 is far from sim no matter how any body cut it. A-spec was better than 4, There are still no high end sports cars (Ferraris, Lambo's, ETC.) but there are 1000 skyline's which all feel the same. GT4 has over 700 cars or whateva the numbers are that all feel the same and thats not cool. I rather have 350 cars that due to upgrades and finetuning feel like completely different vehicles with substance.

Wake up People Just because you put expensive clothes on a piece of sh1t not mean its not a piece of sh!t.

[DJ]

Substance for me is the quality of the driving physics in GT, and this is pretty evident with how much attention they put in not only the basic stuff such as tuning, aerodynamics, and tires, but also the weight/momentum of the car, and how that affects those three aspects. I've seen a lot of Forza 2 gameplay, and it's pretty evident that they mainly just focused on tuning and tires. It's the reason equal tuning specs and tires in Forza 2 will get you the exact same driving performance/experience.

Turn 10 definitely did a great job with the customization aspects, but what really matters is the core gameplay, not the add-on stuff. That said, I hope Polyphony adds body and paint customization to the series since this was probably the best aspect of Forza 2.

[IntelligentAj]

Actually all the Skylines don't handle the same. If you've spent enough time playing the game then you would know that some feel radically different especially the older models with less power/torque.

[chrisin3]

there are people on this thread who used to absolutely love Gran turismo on playstation, but have turned to bashing it because they own a 360 and won't buy a ps3. That's too bad.

Nonetheless, both look great.

[IntelligentAj]

Having read most of these posts and playing both Forza 2 and GT4(60% complete) I must say you people are crazy. The physics from Forza are just as good as the physics from GT(I don't think they're better but they aren't that far off). The custom paint is nice and all but the customization is what real car heads care about and both do this exceptionally. Bottom line: Forza 2 is a great sim as is GT4. They aren't that far apart so please stop saying one is extremely superior to the other. Also I must add that none of you have played GT5 so how can you possibly KNOW how good the physics and everything else are?

[kennyfisterbotm]

Forza, and Forza 2 are great games. Gran Turismo is also a great series of games. I like both, i play the ps2 all the time, i also play my 360 all the time, and when GT5 comes out i will be getting it for my ps3. THEY ARE ALL GOOD RACING GAMES.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!

[dfcm2003]

Better looking, or More stuff that really doesn't matter? Its a racing game, all you need are steering, gas, break, and shift. That's about it. lol

[R M Spender]

how about damage that really effects driving control and physics? if gt5 lacks this its not even close to being what it should and i have heard nothing about it having damage. in gt4 i would drive as fas as i could in a staight blast the car ahead knocing him off course and slowing me down right away to take a corner. not realistic. yeah and the backgrounds dont match the cars in gt5, iam in japan and they have had the demo in shops for a while, looks off.

[DaEnforcer]

Now xbots think he said Forza 2 is better sheesh he just gave this game some respect, he's not Itagaki ;)

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

For those "twistas" who say GT is garbage,weak,inferior,blah blah blah;

Here is a question for you: What is the best selling racing game OF ALL TIME(sim,arcade,dirt,pavement, whatever)??

G--R--A--N T--U--R--I--S--M--O !-!-!

That is a fact,there is no denying,twisting,contradicting THAT FACT.

Does this register in your brains?Do you comprehend this?

STAY B3HIND OR JUMP OUT & PLAY~B3YOND

[R M Spender]

yeah of course GT series is the best selling racing game, thats cause it was the best, in the past.
whats the best right now? forza2. if gt5 cant manage to add damage in the physics system it will still be forza 2. ps3 is all about eye candy/blueray. if your that kind of person who likes graphics over game play well iguess you bought the right system...too soon. sucker. i hope you mommy paid for your ps3.