PSW October Scores - Heavenly Sword & Lair both score an 8/10

Heavenly Sword - 8

+ Stunning Visuals
+ Inspired use of the Sixaxis
+ Superb combat system
- Over too soon

Lair - 8

+ Always so much going on
+ Stunning attention to detail
+ Intuitive control set-up
- Not the longest of games

[Loudninja]

1.Its not a rumor
2.There are other games being review

[nasim]

NOTE :- PSW had 7 month old BUILDs for both LAIR and HS

wait for IGN /GT reviews to look at the updated VERSIONS

Heavenly Sword - 8

+ Stunning Visuals
+ Inspired use of the Sixaxis
+ Superb combat system
- Over too soon

Lair - 8

+ Always so much going on
+ Stunning attention to detail
+ Intuitive control set-up
- Not the longest of games

TAKE that GAYGM!!!!

[Violater]

Thats an 8 page review I would like to read.
Ok someone start scanning :)

[ip-student]

Over too soon seems to imply less than 8 hours - that just doesn't seem fair for $60. There was a similar issue with Gears but it was so immersive and realistic that after playing the game you almost felt as if you had been in a war (that is far more artistic than most action movies and most of the "modern art" crap to all the idiots that suggest games cannot be considered art). Plus there was an online element (and the hardest difficulty level is tough). If this is true then it seems that HS is a rental - after all, there is no online play to extend the experience and you can play it twice in a weekend.

Note to developers - if you are developing a game, please plan for at least 15 hours of solo gameplay or include online gameplay.

So HS would probably have been a AAA titles except it was too short - cause an 8 is not a AAA - it just means it is worth playing (either by renting or purchase).

[Bazookajoe_83]

It is bad that they are short, didnt read the whole article but did they play the whole game? I must say i didnt like Gears campaign at all, but the multiplayer was probably one of the best i ever played.

[InMyOpinion]

What happened with all that space made possible by Blu-Ray? I want excuses, people!

[Nicosia]

Whats with the short games these days.. damn :(. Still getting Heavenly Sword though.

[Mucudadada]

Well, my money is still deciding what way to go... Lair, HS, or Uncharted... Demo's plwese!

[resistance100]

I'm personally going for all 3

[Panthers]

Out of those 3, Uncharted. But I also want Lair.

[Loudninja]

He has more proof.

[A Man]

Its a PS magazine. What next?

[Naruto]

YAY

[Naruto]

OXM give bioshock 10/10

[progx]

cuz EVERYONE is giving bioshock perfect scores.

EDIT: How can you disagree? Bioshock hasn't gotten 1 bad review, all perfect. Accept it and move on f@ggots.

[TheMART]

So? Xbox World gave Bioshock a 9.4.

Heavenly Sword, when it's reviewed by EGM, IGN etc. it'll be an 8 average max. So no AAA/killer app/system seller AGAIN. Lair also even worse on a few times 6. hhhmmmmmm seems you have to wait untill Uncharted. Lets hope that'll be AAA otherwise the PS3 won't have AAA untill 2008 with MGS4 probably.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

seriously, thats all you guys say anymore.

it just ONE game, and its not going to sell as well as you think it WILL.

but hey, it DID get GREAT reviews.

and when you get i`ll be relieved, cause you finally for a few days won`t be on here talking sh!t.

thanks BIOSHOCK.

@mart
are you serious?

UNCHARTED and RATCHET aren`t AAA?

not to mention HEAVENLY SWORD and WARHAWK.

wow, you actually HAVE been blinded by JEALOUSY.

ALSO, BIOSHOCK is NOT a system seller,
i WILL be a CLASSIC but not a SYSTEM SELLER to CASUAL gamers.
like SHADOW of the COLOSSUS.

[rhood022]

I like how TheMart can see into the future and predict how well a game is going to do. That must be a handy talent <sarcasm>

It's also funny how much stock he puts into the godly power of reviews too. It's sad really that fanboys on both sides get so caught up on what other people think that it actually effects YOUR decision to play a game. Are you sheep, being led to games other people tell you to play?

or

Are you gamers who can make decisions for yourself and decide if a game is worth playing based solely on your level of enjoyment for said game.

[rukusa]

OH man, why is theMART even still here.

He will never accept good scores for a PS3 game, his purpose/agenda here to keep the PS3 down in the dust with a headlock.

Regardless of what great scores Heavenly may get, he'll never been able to accept it.

[jay3]

The PS3 has some good games coming, these included, but, you PS3 only owners make yourself look like idiots by saying Ratchet and Clank will be an AAA title.

That's just retarded. Personally i think LAIR is way too overhyped. I'll be getting HS though.

[Gizmo_Logix]

TheMART,

Are you too dim to realize that the PS3 is building their library? I think you need to give up the "system seller" mantra. The PS3 IS SELLING! Check amazon.com rankings. Remember, the PS3 has "no games!" :D

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

Ratchet is AAA.

a AAA platformer.

it`s a shame you can`t see the beauty in PLATFORMERS.

[i Shank u]

Hey Anego Montoya. You talk like you know what's going to happen, before it ever happens. why dont you just shut the f#ck up already

sorry for the anger but damn im tired of reading some retarded crap. yea, themart is kinda talking sh!t too, but at least hes referencing early and leaked reviews on the games, and he also says to hope uncharted is AAA, he doesnt say anything for certain about that game. you all just say its AAA before playing a demo, reading a review or anything, so shaddup! peace

i agree with some of what jay3 said, its just a personal preference, but i stopped playing games like crash, sonic, ratchet and clank, jak and dexter etc., when i was in middle or high school

[teh_tourist]

what's that?

[resistance100]

Its a mag in the UK.

Im more interested in the Edge and gamesTM reviews. They seem to be the most fair of the lot.

Basically if a game gets an 8/10 or above in one of those mags you know its worth buying

[Bnet343]

It's a Playstation magazine. It's probably bias, wait for IGN, Gamespot, 1up reviews.

[Bordel_1900]

@Kigmal
Maybe PSW is biased, but 1UP is even more so.

[pwnaplaya]

Why no mag scans of the actual review scores???

[Naruto]

not IGN

[Naruto]

HS will score AAA on ign and GS

[TheMART]

WRONG

And you may mark my words

IGN/EGM it'll get about an 8 out of 10 there MAX. Nothing over a 9 for sure. Lair, Heavenly Sword no AAA in that way. Uncharted CAN be AAA. But thats not untill November released. Ratchet and Clank. COuld be, but its kiddy. I'd rather destroy some Big Daddy's and kill Little Sisters then some jumping pinguins. Or saw Locust in two parts in that other 360 AAA game.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

"I'd rather destroy some Big Daddy's and kill Little Sisters"

that explains ALOT.

[trane07]

Mart shut the hell up with that bull. You told us to mark your words that mgs4 would be revealed for 360 AT E3 and when E3 came, and nothing was there, YOU DISAPEARED FOR WEEKS. Shut the hell up please.

[Clinton514]

Why do you guys waste your time replying to that clown? When someone is absurd enough to think that their opinions are factual, that's when you ignore them.

[rukusa]

You sounds seriously mentally challenged theMart.

Especially when knowing that you havent played Heavenly Sword in any form. It would take alot of courage from a xbox supporter like yourself to confess that Heavenly Sword looks great, and that people are recieving it rather positively.

If anything it will be a 8 at the MINIMUM.

Comments regarding the PSW review included that, they wanted to give it a 9, but the length (Gears of War-esque length, before you start twisting that part) made them ultimately go with a 8. Which already sounds really well in itself.

Not to hold it against you but, I think Bioshock has "bigger" plans. *winkwink*

[cr33ping_death]

excatly what happened to METAL GEAR being on the 360. was it not supposed to be announced at E3? so in order for people to have fun on the PS3(atleast in your eyes)every single game needs to get a perfect 10 am i right? the PS3 has a wide variety of games that tend to the needs of many gamers, unlike the 360 which mainly has FPS'S, any game that isnt a shooter sucks, and that is where SONY shows it can diversify in the game it offers people. hell i got rainbow 6, GEARS, LOST PLANET, call of duty and the condemned, oh gasp.....they are all FPS'S and i like em all......but that is what im looking forward to on the PS3 different genres of games. you are by far the saddest fanboy MART, post up your gamer tag....that is if you really do have a 360.

[Gizmo_Logix]

"theMART: I'd rather destroy some Big Daddy's and kill Little Sisters"

Let me guess? This is you ---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

dude, that hilarious and sick at the same time.

wow, i`m glad SONY make artistic games for us to ENJOY. ENJOY.

[tatotiburon]

jajajjajaja over too soon??? so the blu-ray mean s**t??? what have they done with all that blu-ray capacity??

[Panthers]

Guess they put it all into audio. Both Lair and HS have a huge amount of music.

[gunnerforlife]

i perconally never trust psw there usually bullshit if edge gives it an 8 and above than the game is worth bying but im getting it 1 way or the other

[felidae]

that's probably a 9/10 for me, because i don't care about "only" 15 hours of playtime. good for me.

[TheExecutive]

15 hrs of gameplay is the usual length of an action game anyway. I would love to see it at 20 but 15 is standard and it shouldnt be judged too harshly because it follows the standard. HS is pry a 9 or higher for me too... but cant say for sure until i own it.

WTF.. why did i lose a bubble?

[fopums]

HS could very well get a 9 score at IGN, but Lair I have no idea the reviews are all over the bored and we havent got a demo to judge for ourselves.....

and Mart IGN gave resistance a 9.1 and Gears a 9.4, whats so AAA about a .03 difference?

duley noted Bioshock is great, but thats not very exclusive since you can play it on PC and it could very well still come to PS3 in due time even with a gimped framerate :D

edit@Captain tuttle LOL touche sir......

[Captain Tuttle]

when I was in college a 91 was a B+ and a 94 was an A. Then again, I'm older than dirt.

Edit: Fopums...have a bubble for your sense of humor...we need more of that around here I think.

[Gizmo_Logix]

fopums@15, good post.

[Antan]

Im good with 2 8`s. Since when was 8 a bad score? Because a game doesn`t score a 9 or above doesn`t mean they are "no longer" system sellers! If nothing got 9 or above companies would never sell machines right? RIGHT?........"Im not buying console X because game X only got an 8 in T!ts`n`Ar$e magazine". To many people on here claim pretty much EVERYTHING is a system seller, which is laughable at best.

[nasim]

8 is a decent score

8 for 7 month OLDER BUILDS of LAIR and HS are simply awesome

[nasim]

wait for IGN and GT reviews

I am sure both the final versions of HS and LAIR would get 9 on IGN and GT

[GoLeafsGo]

What's so bad about 15 hours of gameplay?

Seriously, what's going on this gen?
Devil May Cry 3 was about 12 hours long, and that was very well recieved.
God Of War was 10-12 hours long, and that was critically acclaimed.

So..wtf?

[Clinton514]

But I'm getting Heavenly Sword. I'm still undecided about Lair though.

[Jrome]

theMart actually makes me laugh, he lives off of gamr reviews which is pretty sad. Just because someone rates something 5/10 doesnt mean people won't enjoy it? In the world EVERYONE is different, that's why people buy wii, people buy 360, people buy ps3, reviews are the opinion of the reviewer, if I reviewed Wii sports, i may give it a 6, because as fun as it is it gets boring after awhile, some people may give it a 10 because they love the excersize, others might give it 3.

EVERYONE is different just because a game gets 8/10 it doesnt mean its not AAA -.-.

[DrPirate]

My perfect games.

I'm in school when this comes out, all I want is a short epic story that I wouldn't mind replaying.

Even if the gameplay doesn't hold up, it's a cinematic experience which is perfect for what I need it to do.

[jackie chann]

This is why I don't buy a game if it doesn't have a good online mode. The game can be brilliant like these two, but if it's got no online mode once you've finished it there's no point doing it again.

Look at The darkness, it's a great game, but it's online mode is rubbish. So you get alot less replay value.

[GoLeafsGo]

You've NEVER done another play-through once you've beaten a game?

Am I the only one that finds that hard to believe of ANY gamer, anywhere?

[toughNAME]

...

M$ must be paying this Sony mag off

right sony boys?

:P

EDIT - exactly decent...compared to bioshock these are crap
the paranoid sony boys secretly agree with me

[junk56]

so now EVERYTHING is crap compared to bioshock right? because bioshock is the god of games and every game is crap and nobody can have fun playing those games as long as bioshock exists.

whats so bad about an 8? i don't get it, its a good score and im sure there will be MS exclusive titles that you may see godly but an 8 and oh, crap compared to bioshock.

watch mass effect, halo and lost odyssey get 8s and what are you gonna do then? cry? jeez blue dragon got 6-7s so i wouldn't be too proud if i were an MS fanboy

[PS360PCROCKS]

I have to laugh "M$ must be paying this Sony mag off" I saw this excuse in Bioshock reviews, just backwards. Good sense of humor tough. lol

[fopums]

M$ pay's off PSW so they give LAIR and HS decent reviews? rofl what?

[mephixto]

I don't know what happens with the xbox360 fanboys. This are HS and Lair reviews not bioshock. I agree that bioshock deserves a 10/10 is a great game, beatiful graphics and from what I read a great gameplay and story a must buy for me like HS and lair, but with comments "8/10 so? Bioshock got 10/10" you know with comments like that start all the mess. People saying that BS have a serious inferiority complex or something like that. Grow up people.

[aiphanes]

We all know lair and heavenly sword are both at least 12 hours long, if you are a good player...Did these reviewers actually play the whole game through? Gears of War was at best 6 hours long if you were a good player and it was still a good game.

How long is final fantasy 13 going to be? 50 hours? 100 hours?

[testerg35]

That's the thing.. When Gears was the big game for the 360, PS3 fans cried that it was only 10-12hrs of gameplay and blamed it on lastgen DVD storage. So of course you don't hear PS3 complaining about these two games being on BR and being too short.

[skitzoid]

Not for this type of game. If memory serves me right that is about the length of God of War. Oh know I just made a comparison between HS and GOW. I sound like a fanboy of another console ;-) I know they are totally different types of games but they are in the same genre.

[bootsielon]

So being "too short" warrants being below a 9? So I guess Gears should be on the 8 level, not above 9.

[boodybandit]

Gears was short depending on the level of dificulty (as it is with most games and how well their AI is programmed) you played it on. What saved Gears and gave it some bonus points on rating is it's multiplayer. Love it or hate it, it added to it's overall rating / value.

With that with standing if Heavenly Sword is 12 to 15 hours, which is what Ninja Theory claimed it would be, that is a decent length for this type of game and by no means should the rating have dropped a full point (1/10% depending on the rating used). If they say it has excellent combat, visuals and gameplay, you don't score a game of this calibur a 8. Either Ninja Theory was false in their claims of the games length or this reviewer needs to put down the pipe and brew.

From what I played of the Heavenly Sword demo, I felt it was far and away a AAA title and it being short, less than 12 hours of gameplay, wont sway my opinion in any way shape or form.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what other reviewers think and find out just how long this game actually is.

[codeazrael]

Honestly, I beat that game within 6-7 hours I think. There are alot of factors these days developers have to think about when making games. When you have graphically intense games that is truly a unique experience each level, it takes time to create all of this stuff. Can you imagine how long it would take Devs to make a game that looks like gears of war the size of Oblivion???? You'd be playing the Xbox 1080 before a game like that were finished.

[InMyOpinion]

And who would want to play an action game that lasts for 50 hours? It would get tedious fast. 10-15 hours is a design decision.

[Ps3Fanboy777]

What a useless review and scoring system as well... So a RPG, A Flying Dragon game (lol doesnt really fall into a category), and 3rd person shooter all get EXACTLY the same score?

Wow whats the point of scoring them? How is this suppose to help a gamer decide what game to get?

Another reason why reviewers are becoming more useless, TERRIBLE scoring systems.

[Figboy]

things have been *AMAZINGLY PEACHY around these parts sense i add The Mart and his cronies to my ignore list.

i *STRONGLY advise you all to do the same.

he's simply a troll, and attempts to derail *EVERY PS3 related topic with his comments.

i'm guilty of feeding him as well. i've since *STOPPED.

even the X Box 360 *FANS are ashamed of him. i think they've booted him out of the club.

we shouldn't waste our time with people like him. they're the reason why people think of gamers as being silly, juvenile losers.

remember: the "ignore button" is just a little click away...

[Edwin1989]

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[kingjkv]

I don't get any of the review sites saying that's it's "TOO SHORT". Are u f**cking kidding me?? GOW was 7 hours long, how's that not short, ffs. Get used to it, games will be short nowadays because the games are harder to make and companies want to dish it out very quickly.

[s8anicslayer]

good scores

[Keyser]

I'm getting both. No doubt about it.

[DFresh]

That article is so old
Lair got a 9/10
and
Heavenly Sword got a 9.5/10
this was off of Gametrailers.com
so I don't believe this propaganda stuff

[pilotpistolpete]

If a game gets an 8 and the only fault is that it's over too soon, is that a bad thing? That means your left wanting more, and at 15 hours, thats pretty impressive

To anyone who will press the disagree button. Go to the the link for a list of press reviews of god of war (Since HS is always compared to it) Note that there are many 8/10 and if you take the time to read a few, the reviews felt like the game was over too soon and reason for an 8.

http://www.gamestats.com/ob...