EGM/1UP might be going bankrupt - Ziff Davis Media has finally hit the wall

The embattled tech media company - which has teetered on the brink for over a year as it tried to sell itself in pieces to get out from under a mountain of debt - said it skipped an interest payment due yesterday and was entering into negotiations with debt holders to restructure about $390 million in debt.

The company, which once employed over 1,200 people, now has a staff of around 290 and is down to three magazines, including PC Magazine, Electronic Gaming Monthly and Games for Windows. It also owns 15 Web sites and a conference business.

Over the years, Ziff Davis Media has closed more than 10 magazines, including Inter@ctive Week, Yahoo! Internet Life and ExtremeTech, as it repositioned itself to focus largely on digital content.

[xaphanze]

I never really liked this mag.
My guess is that they bashed Lair just to get some money from microsoft.

[Syko]

Well if that "WAS" true, They clearly didn't ask for enough money. LOL

[tonsoffun]

stop being such an ar$e, get over yourself, just because they thought lair was rubbish does in no way mean that they should go out of buisiness - I for one like 1UP and I am saddend by this news.

[WaggleLOL]

It wasn't the bogus Lair review. That was just the latest in an endless cycle of platform fanboyism at EGM/1Up.

This is great news for the console world, EGM/1Up is a turd on the gaming world's shoe.

Buh bye losers!

[nasim]

do you know 1up gave BIOSHOCK a 10????????????

geez they also gave PGR3 and GEARS 10 as well.

by just looking at those 3 scores you can determine the credibility of 1up/eurogamer and EGM...GAYGM

[GnaM]

At the same time that EGM scored Lair low, they scored Blue Dragon low too, which was a 360 game. They also scored Heroes of Mana extremely low in the same issue, for DS. There was no bias there, you dumbass fanboy.

Also, Nasim, if you're going to bash 1up for scoring Bioshock a 10, you're going to have to bash Game Informer and IGN, who gave the game a 10 and a 9.7 respectively. In fact, the lowest score the game has gotten from anyone is a 9.4, so eat it.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

No, to me and a lot of gamers the Lair review was annoying but minor.

What **really** bothered me (and a lot of other gamers) was when 1up/EGM said that if Warhawk is over $30 (downloadable version) then they (1up/EGM) would deduct 1 point from the Warhawk review. Have you ever f*cking heard of something like this before? That's total bullsh*t and totally unacceptable behavior from 1up/EGM.

And also, where was EGM, 1up or Gamespot in regards to the extreme unreliability of the Xbox 360 and its numerous hardware failures? These damn magazines (and gamespot) hardly even made mention of it. And, IMO, that's probably the one of biggest next-gen stories so far.

[TheMART]

Lair just actually sucked. BTW they also reviewed Blue Dragon 7.5.

Bioshock Nasim? Not only EGM dude, this is the list of reviews:

PC Gamer UK: 9.5
OXM UK: 10
GameSpy: 10
Alternative Press: 10
Xbox World: 9.4
Gamers: 9.8
Gametrailers: 10
PCZone: 9.6
AP Mag: 10
GameInformer: 10
Gamesradar: 10
Eurogamer: 10
Gamer.tv: 10
Console Gameworld: 9.9
1UP: 10
IGN: 9.7
TeamXbox: 9.5
Gamepro: 10

Still missed out on the first 20 minutes gameplay of this game? BTW the piece of swimming between the flames is ingame stuff also... Playable as you like.

http://stage6.divx.com/user...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

That was N4G funny of the day there.

[rubarb23]

Dude, don't listen to nasim. actually try to understand this useless piece of sh!t. his mother only lets him out of their cellar once a month so acting like a total retard is only natural for him.

[TriggerHappy]

The only magazine I read now is Gameinformer, they seem to always get the exclusive news and information on the latest happenings in the gaming industry

EDIT:Some one disagrees with me because i read gameinformer and not EGM ? ..erm..OK.

[s8anicslayer]

see what happens to a flameboy company!good for them, i remember when i actualy liked egm

[nomuken]

Hell yer!!!!!
This is good news!!!!!

Edit: They were anti ps3, losing their jobs is very funny hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha Party on b!tches!!!

[RadientFlux]

how the heck is 1,200 people losing their jobs good news.

Edit: should have guessed you were a fanboy

[Mu5afir]

Did you read the article? They only have around 250+ employees left, they sold most of their other magazines. They once had 1,200 employees but they restructured the company, and now only have 250+. But it still sucks they might go bankrupt.. but if they have any skills I am sure they can get another job.

[VirusE]

Its not that they are biased to the 360 it’s that you are biased to the ps3 and cant handle a game getting a bad rating. Egm is one of the oldest mags in the business. I grew up reading and remember buying the 2nd or 3rd issue and the 2nd contra for the nes on the same day; needless to say it was a good day. They have given out tons of good scores to ps2 games. It isn’t the fault of egm that no AAA titles have yet to come out on the ps3.

Egm going under is not a good thing. Why would you be happy about people loosing their jobs? You disagreeing with a review is worth peoples lives being f-ed up? Some of you people need to grow up.

[ALIEN]

Gameinformer. ain't it?

[Odion]

I like 1up all the podcasts they do are cool, and GFW is pretty cool to, I don't really care about EGM, but it will prob be bought by someone else, the site is really large and it would be dumb to pass up.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

EGM sucks....bye bye EGM....bye bye...

And Dan Hsu should be the first to go. Give 'shoe' the boot.

EDIT: their jobs can't be that important, especially since the company is losing almost $400 million. Come on, all these people do is play and review video games. Please, get real jobs.

[WilliamRLBaker]

you revel in the fireing, and lost jobs of 1200 people..you are an amazing humane being.

[Mu5afir]

Learn to READ, they only have 250 employees not 1,200. They already sold and restructured their companies, they fired more then 700+ employees. Or sold the companies to other investment groups. Again, LEARN TO READ.

[WilliamRLBaker]

LEARN CONTEXT
He IS reveling in the Losing of JOBs and Fireing of People that work for a certain company, Weither it be the 250 now or the 1200 there used to be, He revels in the fireings, You need to learn context, The guy didn't say Oh I'm only reveling in the 250 current who cares about the 700 before...

as for that how is me not knowing how to read even the point? are you incapable of understanding any thing? the point is hes endorsing and reveling in the FIREing and loseing of jobs of people. What right does he have?

I add you to his side of things, you and him are both amazing human beings.

P.S: if i am supposed to learn how to read, Can i say you should learn how to count? 700+ couldn't you have taken the 2 seconds to figure that it was 950?

P.P.S: its 290 not 250.

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

If the market is unwilling to support a company, they go belly up and the employee's need to find new jobs. Welcome to America, welcome to modern day capitalism. Its been like this more than a decade.

And obviously, EGM wasn't that popular because if it was, its parent company wouldn't be in $400 million of debt.

EGM sucks, so hopefully EGM will go bye, bye. That's how things work in this world.

[Mu5afir]

I doubt that he is happy about people getting fired. READ his reply, he isn't happy about people getting fired. He is happy that the company, 1up / EGM are going out of business. This happens all the time, people can get another job if they have the skills.

But I like how you twist him being happy about 1up going out of business and his personal resentment for Shoe into him hating on all the employees of 1up. Don't twist peoples words around, and make them feel guilty for something they shouldn't.

[WilliamRLBaker]

oh yes! he posts a reply to try and cover his ass and hes not happy about people geting fired hu5?

what was his first comment....Shoe' should be the first to go....so yeah next time HU5 LEARN SOME freaking context before you **TCH about me learning to read thank you very much, becuase you cetainly dont have the powers of compreshension, or math on your side.

Umm and Gamespot are you a retard *to use a word that you use often on this site* The state of a thing IS FAR different then actually wishing someone to lose their jobs....(I love the fact how you say all they do is play and review games, a job I'm sure you'd love yet when others have the job you diss it? what a spoiled sport).

Oh as well Gamespot are you retarded yet again? ""And obviously, EGM wasn't that popular because if it was, its parent company wouldn't be in $400 million of debt.""

CNET, and Ziff davis are amongest the WORLDS biggest TECH review, Publication...ect Companies And your baseing their 400 million dollar debt on one singular magazine? At one point ZD, and Cnet had over 200 publications dealing with every area of the Techworld under their name, and your basing the 400m debt on just one?

Wow not only are you an amazing human being, you've gotta be the worlds formost genius....Let me ask you how can we become immortal, or get free clean energy? since you as an genius must know the answer right? *rolls eyes*

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

Obviously you love judging others (because you are oh so great) and your logic sucks. So what if CNET and ZD had over 200 publications....that just means the company was bloated and mis-managed. How many publications do they have now?

Oh and by the way, Ziff-Davis just missed one of its loan payments. Not good, not good at all. That's poor, poor managmeent. If ZD's creditors want, the creditors can close EGM and whatever publications ZD has within a week (but I doubt they would do that).

Make no mistake, ZD has put themselves in a very precarious position. And given the fact I strongly dislike EGM (as a ***publication***, they suck IMO), that's kind of good news to me.

@William: again, welcome to America. Welcome to modern capitalism. Don't like it? Then move to Cuba or North Korea, they don't have capitalism there.

You don't seem to like capitalism so bounce, get the hell out.

Oh BTW, I don't mind you leaving b/c your logic is absolute crap and I hate debating with idiots.

[WilliamRLBaker]

thats rich, I judge others comming from the GUY reveling in the fireing of people? people whom have worked these jobs for a long long time, and probly might not be able to get jobs because as he says all they do is play games and review them, how important can that be.

You try to put a fancy face on your discontent, and malice towards others sir, This isn't just a convient thing for you, YOU ARE happy that people that are hard working are going to lose their jobs, ALL BECAuse you dont agree with their opinions.

Whats next big man? murder them because they dont have your opinions?

Thats the very Essence of bigotry, You don't like how they think, or act or opinions they have, So in your malice you Revel in their displeasure, you sir make me SICK.

And Mu5 you haven't replied but ill just preemptive you, You make me sick too for defending him.

Edit: the proof is above, all the 6-7 replies, Where you make you initial, I DONT LIKE EGM *cries like a baby* FIRe them all! they suck! they dont deserve jobs.

to the first ass saving you try to commit, to the 2nd, And them mu5 not being able to comprehend just what you are, a biggot.

P.S: im done with this thread since i have no more bubbles.

Edit:""Oh BTW, I don't mind you leaving b/c your logic is absolute crap and I hate debating with idiots.""

LOL ok lil hitler. whatever you say.

*I was there for your EGM topic, at gamespot, and your topic got deleted for a reason, cause your a filthy mouthed lil nazi that hates any one that has different opinions, and your topic was geting out of control*

P.P.S:I have a subscription till about 2014 lol this is the info from my neodata via ziffdavises magazine site...
Issues Remaining: 100 lol 100 ISSUES remaining. lol

[The BS Police]

Alot of people could lose there jobs, let alone EGM is one of the best gaming Mags around.

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

with their funny and mean answers to the letters and their grudge match and the lilttle comic strip at the end.

[SimmoUK]

Wow that's what you call carma! i really hope 1UP gets shut down there so biased, there a group of fanboys and a gal, disagree and write me a reply but it's pretty obvious there biased has been for years, good riddance suckers!

[The BS Police]

Against Bad games!

Edit: They give bad reviews to games on all game systems, Vampire Rain ring a bell?

[cookiemonster]

Wow you are so hateful of them you actually went as far as to call it karma.

Congrats, you're one of the many idiots of the web, welcome to my ignore list.

[d3l33t]

it's sad, but also more evidence of lack of management. They obviously had a foot in the door in terms of gaming news, but instead evolving with the industry, they chose the easier, less risky route. And in return? More to come...

[MK_Red]

While I'm not a big fan of EGM and always hate their reviews and think the magazine was really shallow, its bad news for gaming that 1UP and EGM might go down.

[Lumbo]

only building on your argument, how exactly is the loss of a "shallow" mag with reviews you hated a "loss for gaming"?

As far as i am concerned shallow mags better die, so good mags get more focus.

Thats in general, not specific to egm/1up.

So if you stand by your argument your conclusion should be "it is a gain for gaming that they get lost"

[ALIEN]

Im not a big fan of EGM, but i will choose EGM over GAMEPRO anytime and anyday, GAMEPRO sucks.

[tonsoffun]

What is most likely to happen will be the divison of their repective departments, then they will be sold off - hell, I was sure MTV was looking to buy the 1UP/gamevideos divison a while ago. I always thought that there was no need for print mags anymore as the interweb division was soo good. Would 1UP/gamevideos be able to go it alone? Who knows, but it will be a huge blow to the gaming journalism industry if these guys go under.

And to all those fu(ktards that are revelling in the loss of all those jobs - just because certain reviewers did not like a particular game, does not make them biased - hell, they are home to the BIGGEST sony fanboy on the planet, but then I guess that doesn't really support the sony agenda doesn't it? I have always found the viewsof 1UP (in the podcasts) to be fair and impartial (especially since Luke smith left).

[Nicosia]

It sucks that people are going to loose there job, wtf is with you senseless users. And btw just because it gives a low revieuw score of your preferd game you think its biased, last i heard people who read revieuws mosly read A lot of diffrent magezines/sites. If you think its being controlled by some company, grow up.. we are spoon fed lies by all companies.

[tonsoffun]

I completely agree bud - bubbles for you.

[SimmoUK]

Disagree for multiple reasons, 1UP are biased but i'm not on everyone's biased bandwagon, just 1UP there a bunch of nintendo and microsoft fans, i feel sorry for shane working there but he's kind of had to go along for the ride for the sake of his job and his own sanity, i honestly think there biased simple as that disagree all you like but it's still my opinion...

no bubbles from me...

[tonsoffun]

don't be such a retard.

1UP has and always will give credit where credit is due. They are also the first to lambast companies, regardless of the name.

You are entitled to your opinon, regardless of how moronic and retared it is. Live your life as a blind fanboy all you want - I actually feel sorry for you and your ignorance. Just PLEASE don't breed.

OH AND F.Y.I IT IS SPELLED KARMA YOU IDIOT.

[Nicosia]

Well thats where your logic realy stops though... you even said ''just 1UP there a bunch of nintendo and microsoft fans''.i think there not biased because you would agree with a site thats like more your console preferd.Just because you read a low score doesn't justify it, realy read the revieuws before getting out the word ''biased''. Not a lot of people read the full revieuws, thats something gamers need to work on.

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

should be the one going down.

they are always late with the news. like 2 months late.

and their showdowns are rubbish

[d3l33t]

there is a large number of gamers who don't access the Internet. Plenty of moms enjoy picking one up for her kid, and the kid is content. It may not be the most up to date news, but it serves it's purpose in plenty of eyes.

[D_U_I]

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[FordGTGuy]

podcast is awesome!

[TLSBill]

It's the most entertaining one.. Although the "beyond" podcast is cool too so long as Greg's there, without him it's kinda bland.

[Godoftheweek]

I will not revel in another person job disappearing. That is cold hearted. There are some people that I like at EGM, even their podcasts are pretty cool.

Some of them like say like all the time. I mean like every other world is like has to contain like. Like you know like what I like mean? Especially that girl. Like she says like like every other word. And that dog, that annoying little Superbowl Punt Dog. I cannot stand her or that dog. She has an annoying voice and a smile that just looks fake.

Shane seems pretty level headed and one of the more intelligent regulars on the show.

[Godoftheweek]

I cannot remember his name...I wanna say it is Luke. Whatever his name is...DUDE TAKE A FRACKING SHOWER MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR! Sorry for the all caps lock but seriously...he must smell really, really bad.

[FordGTGuy]

works for Bungie now and Shane has had made his really retarded comments too.

[djt23]

too bad and alot of people lost they job damm that got to hurt

[Charlie2688]

It was about time...EGM has been going BRUTALLY downhill for the last years

I guess its bad quality finally simply catch up to them

@cookiemonster: so according to you I dont like the magazine and I wish for its death and destruction cuz of my "sh*t views about console biases." that would only insinuate that I am a fanboy saying that the are biased against...probably the PS3 cuz that is the answer people get when they complains about EGM...(I dont even have a PS3)

BUT guess what? I was a EGM subscriber for 5 years so I can safely tell you that the current EGM is nothing but a shadow of what EGM was a couple years resulting in me and as many N4G member have expressed in canceling their subscription

[cookiemonster]

This doesn't have much to do with quality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make them any less the most popular gaming magazine out there. it's about costs, expenses, growth, and profitability. Obviously ZD saw something that was favorable

Not everything is about gamers sh*t views about console biases.

[gEnKiE]

I always reed EGM when a new issue comes out and I always look forward to watching a new episode of the 1up show so this will be sad if this happens..... :(

[SSCOOLCHEA]

I am somewhat sadden just the fact I been reading this magazine for long time. I actually remember being 13 and stealing EGM from the store until I had money to subcribe. Some of the guys wrote great stories.What am going to miss most is quartermann the rumor dude.... As for the Xbox fanboy hsu who cares???? I really dont care what egm gave lair because everybody is entitle to there opinion and I wont let that keep me from playing the games that I want.

[khellendros1]

I actually like EGM. I didn't realize how many people disliked them til the review for Lair came out. I must admit they did backpedal on the podcast and the reasons they gave didn't justify the score, but I hope they can get back on their feet.

[The BS Police]

The fact is the review they gave for Lair was there own take on the game which reflects there opinion... Keyword OPINION!

So why should we apoligize for sharing our opinions in a world where we are protected by freedom of speech?

There are those who play games based on reviews, and those who do not.

For Example, the Toronto Sun gave Rush Hour 3, 1 out of 5 stars, I saw it last night, I would give 4 out 5 stars because it was funny (as it should be) and it lived up to my expectations.

The only Reviews from the Toronto Sun I usually agree with are Videogame Reviews, but I do not waste time reading there movie reviews because the only good reviews they ever give are usually kid/family movies.

[Lumbo]

As a strong believer in the working market i think everyone gets what he builds up.

If they where such a great mag and company, they wouldn't be in that deep sh*t now. So even though i know that surely some employees worked hard there, OVERALL they did their job wrong, cause else they would stay in business. Plain free market logic.

I am always confused when people write stuff like "its a shame they loose their job" cause a company is nothing else than the sum of the workers. So if the company at a whole is rotten, someone did not do their job properly, and hence does not deserve pay, as proven by the market. Thats the difference between free market democracy and communism btw, in communism everyone is guaranteed a job, regardless if he suxx at it. In a free market democracy everyone has to work, and work right, to keep the job. And working right pays for the worker.

Thats no personal attack on any specific egm/1up employee, but evidence provided by the market suggests they failed at the job. And the handfull biased editors they had, will have a hard time at any other reasonable mag, cause reasonable mags avoid bias like the plague, bias kills the trust readers place in a mag. And if you want a successful mag you need readers. Take EDGE as an example, they are harsh, but fair in their reviews, and surprise surprise they are not going bankrupt. The good editors should have no problem finding another job.

All provided the rumor is true ...

[Yosking]

I cancelled my mag membership complete bs mags and ever since they gave lair a 5.5 I gave up on them. This is what they deserve.

[Anything but Cute]

I have thought that EGM has gone down. Their Magazines are getting slimmer and slimmer. They don't seem to provide as much insight as before either. Only like 3 or 4 games are previewed monthly.

I hope they do go down, one less flame starting pro XBOX 360 group of assholes. The world doesn't need them.

[Wii60_FTW]

you're a dumbass on every website

[Dogswithguns]

not lately tho....but I still stoping by checking my page and clubs..... I dont like 1Up as I used to, but it's still a very sad news to me.

[Wii60_FTW]

no wonder 1up sucks so much azz.

[nasim]

Poor 1up.

this is what happens when you support a low powered horrible console

[Wii60_FTW]

it may suck, but it's got better games, a better controller, and better online service =] oh yeah, die

[cdawson]

Wow, the mighty have fallen.
EGM I used to anxiously await your next issue, now I wipe my ass with it!

[Gamespot-equals-EGM]

I also have to admit I used to love EGM (that was about 12 years ago, start of the PS1 era). But I haven't subscribed to them or read an issue in more than 10 years. So for the past 10 years I've been sort of on the fence about EGM.

But what really caused me to turn on EGM/1up was when they insisted that unless Warhawk was less than $30, they would deduct a point from the review....WTF!?!. The Lair review was just icing on the cake (5.5? come on, give me a break).

After that I was just like f*ck EGM, f*ck 1up and f*ck Gamespot (had too many bad experiences with the overzealous Gamespot mods, see my bio for details).

[Shaka2K6]

Good stuff about damn time, they are freaking pathetic like 13 year old xbois really, 1up same crap they all need to die for the sake of the gaming industry.
im praying to god they all die seriously i hate them so much.
see ya stupid tools.

[Mr_Kuwabara]

Now that were talking about mags I'm sorry but I really hate Tips n' Tricks. lol

[SlappyMcTaint]

too bad for the people losing their jobs... but on the other hand, good riddens 1up.

[ApocalypseShadow]

i started reading when EGM started.they had a good crew and weren't a group of jaded individuals.they had reviews for games like wizards and warriors,mega man,streets of rage,super mario world,etc.they put different games on the cover,and not the highest bidding company or most popular.but they changed.

it's why some games like psychonauts,beyond good and evil,shadow of the collosus,etc. don't get purchased or noticed because they are concentrating all their efforts on halo or madden or gran turismo.these games are already hits.they don't need any more exposure.

and now,they review as if everyone is an experienced gamer.there are gamers that are coming into this gaming industry every day to play.but reading their reviews,you would think almost every game released is terrible.sure they're opinions,but reviews should hit these points:

fun
good controls
lasting appeal(replayability)

not every game has HD graphics.not every game has a story.once you break away from those three things,you no longer are a great reviewer.they suck.and should move on.lair has nothing to do with this.

lumbo mentioned EDGE.i found that at barns and noble(book store).it's a good mag.so is PLAY.PLAY looks at games as adults would.the story,the graphics(artistry),immersion,f unfactor,etc.they never lost site after GAMEFAN went belly up.which was a great mag.GAMEINFORMER also seems unbiased 90% of the time.

DIE EGM!DIE WITH 1UP!

................mag lev super train................

[VirusE]

I think you are missing the point that people want to see madden, GT and halo. SOC and BGE are both nitch games and they dont sell mags. It's a sad fact of life.

[Shaka2K6]

But GameInformer is cool they are the best video game out there actually worth reading and buying the only one maybe.

[Bathyj]

While I'm not going to revel in their demise like some of the others even though I have no love for them, or Gamespot for that matter, I will say integrity and respect are important for any publication and they seemed to not have the former and therefore not deserve the latter.

[Gizmo_Logix]

EGM = "Fair and Balanced"

LOL! NOT!

[jcgamer]

and the first issue had the infamous PS3 with the tomatoes thrown at it...talk about a smack in the face...I was a little more than P O'd...Game Informer is king...

[Gizmo_Logix]

jcgamer,

I agree. That was some crap. I never read OPM. But after listening to a few of their podcast and then seeing that "hate rag" and figured something fishy was up.

Sorry EGM! No $ from me! DIE!

I don't mind IGNs ratings. And sometimes listen to their podcast. I like 1up's podcast the best. Although, I don't necessarily like their reviews: too wild and erratic.

EGM has Garnet Lee. :( He's a Sony-hater!

[iceice123]

At the little droids crying over lair review. God forbid someone doesn't give a Sony game an excellent score because it's on the PS3. You all know damn well that's why you think it deserves a high score, just because it's on your lil PS3. You never touched the game yet you disagree with them on a matter in which you know nothing about, so damn pathetic.

[Geohound]

but I do like 1up Yours podcast and the 1UP Show... it would suck if 1UP went under...

[ReBurn]

EGM was one of the best mags out there. I don't care for the format now, but I'll always have a soft spot for the one-time king of the hill.

[bootsielon]

They need money, so why not anger the biggest consumer base (Sony) by trolling (Lair 5.5? lol, give me a break), while at the same time getting MS money by giving high reviews (Hsu: "I'll give this game a Ten despite its flaws", when talking about gears of war). It's a win-win... for them.

Too bad EGM was great... a decade ago.

[WilliamRLBaker]

cause EGM isn't a cow magazine like you want it to be, so it wont give 10 scores to every ps3 game like you think it should.

[PimpHandHappy]

Yea you never like to hear about ppl losing jobs but if the mag had suffered and the lose of 3/4 of the staff is just a start.

Maybe man didnt land on the moon and MS did stuff cash up the right bunghole?!?!?!?!

If Lair comes out and gets 7.5-8.5 then we know the lose of that staff left a small team to play that build of Lair. Time will tell

[Mandangoof]

I dream of a world where Ziff Davis is bankrupt too. I call it heaven.

I will join others in wiping my @$$ with EGM mags (off the shelves of course, I'm not buying it, not even as toilet paper)

[Fighter]

1up yours is one of my favorite podcasts and the 1up show is not that bad if they have certain previews. Kathleen is annoying and she should keep that stupid dog of hers at home. ANNOYING!!!!!!!!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Guess they want to blame EGM for LAIR sucking and not Sony. Thats a PS3 fan for ya, everyone elses fault but never Sony's.

[doublertist]

show me another site or reviewer group which gave lair such a low score with valid reason...EGM has lost alot of credibilty in the gaming community, they are supposed to be unbiased in their reviews however could not prevent that, which was obvious when they added fanboy comments into their origional review, so please....show me anyone else bashing the game the same way EGM did

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Dont you get it . Its never Sony ...Tell me this how the hell does Hsu have the time to preview any games when every month he is playing Halo with the bungalow crew...If that isnt balls grabbing I dont know what is. But of course how can you bash the xbot when there sponsoring you.

[VirusE]

It's funny to me how NONE of you have played lair yet you think a mag should go up in flames because you disagree with their OPINION of not liking the game? That is so sad and childish. Have you ever played a game that got rated well that you just didn’t like? I know a lot of the sony fanboys say that about halo. Could it be they just didn’t like the game? It's not like just one guy reviewed it. A whole team of people just didn't like. Quit taking it personal it's their OPINION and if you don't agree that's fine but saying they need to loose their jobs over a review is just retarded.

Did i mention NONE of you have played lair? Quit acting like you KNOW it’s a good game. First hand experience vs. fanboy dribble. HMMM tuff choice.

[Gizmo_Logix]

VirusE,

It's like this. EGM gives Lair a 5.5 average because of the controller issue and bronze colors. Ok, lets say that's a reasonable gripe. Most other reviews give the sixaxis a chance and score the PREVIEW a 8.5 - 9.0. Another site gives it a 7.5. Ok...

Now, after everything is said and done. And we actually get the whole game. I'd say that even a 8.0-8.2 for Lair would be reasonable considering any controller issues or otherwise.

But a 5.5! WTF!?

What we're saying is that if Lair gets anything above a 8.0 EGM will look like idiots! They set themselves up for a fall (because of their obvious bias review).

[doublertist]

the only thing that egm mentioned when they reviewd the game that would lead anyone to believe that the game is bad is that they didnt like the controls and that the dragons fireballs looked weird...totally unprofessional review, we dont have to play the game to smell BS from a mile away. ive been on this site for a while saying that halo is a good game i dont like the story line but even though i dont like the story line i would still rate the game at about a 8.5+, so for EGM to only say the control was bad and they dont like the fireballs to give it such a low review is stupid and totally biased, so its not fanboyism on our part its completely on the staff of EGM/1UP