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Nier for Xbox 360 Leaked to Torrent Sites

Original-Gamer: "Almost two weeks before it's release, Nier for the Xbox 360 has been leaked. Torrent sites across the world now have this game, and the pirates have been in a frenzy as they download the latest game published by Square Enix and developed by Cavia Inc."

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armycore5123d ago

Geez it never ends does it?

vhero5123d ago

I know do we have to have an article everytime a game is released?? Square Enix know which console to blame at least for loss of sales..

BeaArthur5123d ago

No it doesn't ever end. All we can do is report modders.

darthv725123d ago

it happens to PC as well as every other disc based system before (saturn, sega cd, dreamcast, neogeo cd, playstation 1&2, gamecube, wii, etc...)

If it happens to the ps3 than THAT would be news worthy.

Montrealien5123d ago

This has to stop, N4G is not here to announce to the world that a certain game is now available to download. This kinds of stories should never be allowed on the front page.

Chubear5123d ago

How much more worse does it have to get before one says "enough!"?

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TheHater5123d ago

Renting, borrowing, and buying used games. Developers/Publisher don't get a cent from any of those methods. So don't try as act like Pirates are the worst when there is more people buying used games, renting, and borrowing games that pirating them.

Aphe5123d ago

It's not quite the same thing is it TheHater. Please explain.

Government Cheese5123d ago

Where do you think companies like Gamefly or Blockbuster get the games in the first place? Pirate them? No, they buy them.

Pillville5123d ago

Where do you think the pirated version came from? You think it fell from the sky? There had to be an original retail copy at some point.

Legally, pirating is worse than renting or borrowing.
But, to the developers, it makes no difference if you borrow your friend's game or copy your friend's game, they make $0 in both cases.

Optical_Matrix5123d ago

What a sh1t example. Renting isn't as bad because the establishment that lets you rent games has to BUY THEM FIRST. They don't pirate them do they?
Secondly, preowned games...someone obviously BOUGHT the game before hand so the devs have got all the money they can off of that particular copy of the game. Plus it's not like the person buying the pre-owned copy is getting it for free. Borrowing games? Same thing, you borrow a game but someone has had to go out and spend money on that specific copy of the game. It's not the same thing.

Darkspade5123d ago

Yes Gamefly buys copy's but they are rented to 100's of people... If this wasn't an issue then why is Netflix being hit with the 1 month Delayed rental service from these Movie company's.. Warner Bros. Said they are Losing Money on sells... All these plays in to but yes Pirating is worst... I also don't feel you blame the Modders.. you need to blame the uploaders

Aphe5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

Pillville, you make no sense. How many people lend their games to more than a few people, that borrowing a game example is a load of bollocks. So someone on the internet is lending their game to thousands of their friends? It's not the same, no matter which way you cut it.

EDIT:And the renting idea is a load of crap as well. Do you honestly think that renting a game has as much impact as a game being pirated?

Montrealien5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

yeah the hater, you have no idea what you are talking about, comparing rentals and the used game market to pirating shows it. I have a rental and used game store, you know how many games I buy a year to rent? Nest thing you will suggest that renting movies is bad also?

fail.

nackno5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

You do know that the rent copies cost a lot more than just normal rrp for the stores to buy. same thing with movies. because of the licensing

Montrealien5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

nackno, sorry to tell you but rental copies do not cost more. We buy new games at cost and put them out to rent. Same for movies, infact on movies the studios give us deals, then again rental places are among the biggest customers, not everyone that buys 3600 copies of the blind side.

Its in their interest to have people watching and talking about their movies, just like games. Its in the game makers interest to have people trying and talking about their games also, most of these people would of never bought it in the first place, and if they like it alot, they may even buy it.

Our type of business has existed since the dawn of the videogame industry, we helped creat and promote it, we are here to stay, and we are not bad...

Pirates on the other hands hurt all of us.

-MD-5123d ago

You think renting and borrowing games is the same as stealing? Wow.

nackno5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

Well I dont know how it is where you live but I live in Sweden and just a movie for a rental store costs around 10 times of the rental price to buy and it really is not cheap to rent new movies here. so let´s say a movie costs 50SEK to rent then it costs around 500SEK for the store to buy it, and a movie costs around 149-199SEK (249-299 for blu ray) to buy in rrp.

edit: new games are usually 699SEK which is 93 USD in rrp
edit 2: I mean that the prices for movies are new movies... you can get older blu ray movies for 99 SEK or less

@montrealien: I hope the rental indsutry gets cheaper here aswell, I dont even know if it is possible to rent games here anymore.... havent seen any place lately offering games for rental

Montrealien5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

It was like that a while ago with VHS tapes here in NA, but that has changed. The rental industry is much more devolopped here then in europe, so, dunno what to say, I would assume the rental companies in sweden don`t have as much pull as we do here. All I can tell you is that here we do not pay more, not for about 10 years now, DvD`s changed the whole rental industry here.

TheHater5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

For the rest of you slow people, lets take this slow.

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0

Are you guys seeing the picture yet? Bottom line is Developers/Publishers don't get any money from any of those methods. For each game rent, borrowed, or buys used, developers/publishers don't get anything from them.

@Aphe
Is renting a bigger issues than piracy? I don't know. But Gamefly seems to be booming when it comes to renting games. Blockbuster as well. So is the local video game rental service that charges $10 for 3 days.

Montrealien5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

keep on diggin that hole the hater.

question, you think that the rental copy just appears at our door in the mouth of a stork?

Its a business, that is part of the videogames industry, and has helped our beloved industry grow, it creates jobs, makes people play game they cant afford at the moment, exposes the product dev worked so hard to make...

And you say we are slow? wow.

Aphe5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

Let's look at your argument Hater...

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0

Let's take it at it's most simple argument.

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - That's true
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The rental game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The used game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The borrowed game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money.

Now I know what you're thinking, surely the pirated game had to be bought? But in most cases the leak comes from the start of the manufacturing process and is not bought at all.

Even so, this must count as a stupid argument. A pirated game is taken without any loss to someone pirating it, it costs them nothing. A rented game is bought for, a single rented game can only be rented to a single person for the time of the rent. That copy is out of the renters hands and others want to rent it, so they have to get more copies. They have to buy them. The Dev/Pub has had a sale or sales.

If a used game is bought, it had to be bought in the first place. And in a single store they sell loads of used games, those games were bought new. They have to buy them. The Dev/Pub has had a sale or sales.

If a game is lent to a friend it has been bought already, and chances are it will only be lent to close friends. A p*ss in the ocean, no threat to a Dev/Pub.

Your argument is seriously flawed Hater.

TheHater5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

I buy one NEW copy of a game, developers get my $60+.
I then rent/lend that game to 100 people over the years.
How much money do developers/publishers get from the 100 people I rented/borrow my game to?
Answer = $0.0

I go to Gamestop/EBgames and buy a new copy of Mass Effect 2.
Developers/Publishers get my $65+
Beat the game.
Return to Gamestop/EBgames and trade it in for credit/cash.
Person X buy that used copy from gamestop that I sold.
Developers/publisher get nothing from that USED game purchased
Person X return to Gamestop after beat the game and traded it for cash/credit
Person Y buy the used copy that Person X traded in
Developers/publisher get nothing from that USED game purchased
Person Y return to Gamestop after beat the game and traded it for cash/credit
and the cycle continues.

Do you guys honestly think all used game comes from a new game? Many times people buy a used game, beat it and sell it back only to have someone else buy that used game they traded in. Same thing with renting a game. Company that rent games usually buy a limited supply and developers get money from the supply the purchased. When they start renting them out, developers are not getting anything from those rentals.

"Its a business, that is part of the videogames industry, and has helpe our beloved industry grow, it creates jobs, makes people play game they cant afford at the moment... "
And you are delusional if you think. Have you ever walked into a gamestop/ebgames and see who is buying the used games? Its usually kids/teens and parents buying games for their kids. Do you think they care about buying a new copy after buying a used copy? Face it dude.

@Aphe
I don't disagree about the initial purchased, it what follow that you and others don't seem to understand.
I buy Mass Effect 2 new from Bestbuy. Developers get my $65+. Everyone seems to understand that.

I then turn around and sold it to your for X amount of dollars.
Do developers get my $65+ and your X amount of dollars or do the only get my $65+?

Montrealien5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

So in your perfect world, people should only buy games new, all the time, and keep them. With no other options right? Does your theory apply to toasters, cars and guitars? Should someone who resells his guitar send a check to the guys who hand built it? I can`t agree with that. I know you think its wrong, but you just don`t see the bigger picture and your argument reeks of generalizations and stereotype.

And I do face it dude, every day, you are wrong, deal.

edit: just the fact that you think the dev gets 65$ for every game sold shows how little you know about this subject, I know its just another one of your generalizations, but come on man...

Ch1d0r15123d ago

Usually one or two friends will borrow a game not the whole internet.

Aphe5123d ago

The examples you give are nothing compared to how much a company loses on pirated sales, if you can't see that you're blind.

TheHater5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

"So in your perfect world, people should only buy games new, all the time, and keep them. With no other options right? I can`t agree with that. I know you think its wrong, but you just don`t see the bigger picture and your argument reeks of generalizations and stereotype.

And I do face it dude, every day, you are wrong, deal."

Point out where I say people should ONLY buy new games? GO ON, POINT IT OUT. Do I think Piracy, renting, borrowing, and buying used game is wrong? Yes because its the world we live it and its probably will never change until.

You guys are saying that piracy is wrong because it hurts the developers and publishers because they get nothing from it other than the initial copies sold. Well its the same thing with renting a game, borrowing a game, and buying a used game. The get money from the initial copies sold but everything after that, they get nothing from it. Why is that such a hard concept to understand.

@Montrealien
NO, I don't think Developers/Publishers get $65+ on each new games purchase. It a generalization.

@Ch1d0r1
"Usually one or two friends will borrow a game not the whole internet."
So you are admitting that you pirate games? You know since everyone on the internet pirate games.

@Aphe
How much do you think companies losses on used games, renting, and letting your friends borrow games? Don't the majority of Gamestop/Ebgames profit comes from their used game sales? And yes, I do know that gamestop/ebgames makes a hell of a lot more on used games than new games.

@Aphe
Dude, now you are just reaching.

"If you know then Hater, tell us how much devs lose to piracy vs Rented/2nd Hand and borrowed."

Do realize when I said "And yes, I do know that gamestop/ebgames makes a hell of a lot more on used games than new games," I was referring to per used game sold vs new game sold right? Gamestop/ebgames buy a used game for $25 and sells it back for $55 (not including tax). That is a $30 profit on a used game compare to $5 (that is a guess) for a new game

And isn't the point is that Company are loosing money on piracy, used game, renting, and borrowing?

Aphe5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

If you know then Hater, tell us how much devs lose to piracy vs Rented/2nd Hand and borrowed.

I can tell you now that piracy lost them more money vs the other.

Oner5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

I'm utterly amazed (though oddly enough not really surprised) at how many people didn't get Haters point.

He is not saying pirating is good or anything like that at all. He is simply stating additional things that are ALSO bad to the devs and such. He is not defending Pirating specifically ANYWHERE, he is just pointing out ALL of the areas that are bad for devs.

But as usual people make false assumptions and read thing that aren't there while at the same time consistently trying to put words into others mouths that were NEVER said with no proper comprehension of the real intention of the underlying point.

Jeez! I mean FFS it's like you have to start writing your comments for 4th grade reading levels in here now... /rollseyes

Aphe5123d ago (Edited 5123d ago )

'Renting, borrowing, and buying used games. Developers/Publisher don't get a cent from any of those methods. So don't try as act like Pirates are the worst when there is more people buying used games, renting, and borrowing games that pirating them. '

Sounds like he's saying they are in the same league Oner, no? Even more so really. This article is actually about pirating, I don't see anything about renting or lending a game in there. And pirating is worse than any of those other methods, to think it isn't is just being ignorant.

Does second hand sales and rentals make a difference to the industry? I've no doubt it does, but not to the same degree that piracy does. Nowhere near as much.

cmrbe5123d ago

I am one of those people that buy games new and keep them forever as a collection. The thing is i am really picky and pick only the best as i really don't have time for anything less. I will never ever trade my collection of games even if i hardly play most of them.

I agree with Montrilien that its a bussiness and its perfectly legal and acceptable to most people. We also must consider the fact that the rental industry does alot of good for the gaming industry which directly benefit the devs in question.

On the otherside it would be great if devs can get some money directly from used or rental games. Its one of the main reason i buy games new and at full price in most cases. I apperciate the hardwork they put into their games. I feel like i know them being such a fan of their work for years.

@hater. You must understand this is just standard practice. I don't like it as well and why i never buy from EB/Gamestop games but i also don't fault those that return or rent or burrow games at all. Not every one is the same with the same finances.

Oner5123d ago

You make a very valid point Aphe, but the issue I see is how what he said became misconstrued and something WAAAAY bigger than what his point meant, and all for nothing because it's not like he is advocating Piracy. Just a simple point about how there are additional "grey" areas to help corroborate/correlate/make said point. It really wasn't for all that of which he had to deal with...honestly.

zag5123d ago

Your all looking at it wrong.

If you rent something then it allows you to try out the game legally and then buy it if you like it.

Borrowing is much the same deal as generally a friend only gives you the game because they want someone to play with and do stuff in game and so they let you borrow it and you install it try it out if you like then give back the game and buy a copy etc.

Game devs aren't too fussed about renting or borrowing I think anyway, as it gives people a chance of trying without actually pirating the game in the first place, so there's a greater chance of someone ending up buying the game as most people don't get the finsh it or your rushing to do as much as you can in a short amount of time.

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Biggest5123d ago

Has the 360 ever been a challenge for pirates?

tmj5123d ago

Any challenges for the hackers usually last for a day or two, that's it.

GamingBuddha095123d ago

was going to get it for the ps3 anyways

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Remembering the Best JRPGs on the PS3

Get ready to embark on a journey filled with monsters, magic, and overpowered haircuts, because this list features the best JRPGs on the PS3.

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shinoff2183263d ago (Edited 263d ago )

There wasn't that many. Thanks to the west's criticism. It was definitely lacking compared to every other ps system. Dont get me wrong there were a few good ones i know that.

jznrpg263d ago

Nier, Valkyrie Chronciles, Tales games , Ni No Kuni, Resonance of Fate, FF13’s, Ys8 just a few off the top of my head and there were a lot more.

CrimsonWing69263d ago (Edited 263d ago )

Not nearly to the degree of PS1 and PS2.

@shinoff2183 makes a good point that around the PS3/Xbox 360 gen is when the genre wasn’t as prevalent and began to shy away from turn-based. There’s some standouts for sure, but look at the PS1 and PS2 JRPG library and then compare that to the PS3 and PS4’s.

Theres definitely a decline in a selection of titles. Even worse was the quality seemed to take a massive hit as well. I think Lost Odyssey was a huge standout for that gen when you look at production values, then you look at something like Fairy Fencer on the PS3 and it’s kind of depressing.

But by that generation there was a shift from western developed games overtaking Japanese developed games. Back from the NES to PS2 Japanese games were the cream of the crop… I don’t know what happened but like midway into the PS3/360 life-time they became less so.

shinoff2183262d ago (Edited 262d ago )

Compared to the ps1 ps2 and he'll even ps4 ps3 doesn't hold a candle to either imo. It's also when turn based damn near disappeared. Again thanks to the west's criticism

Crimson I'd put money on the west being at fault, guys like Phil phish, and numerous others at that time were attacking jrpg and Japanese games in general pretty hard.

Ni no kuni was probably my fav jrpg back then , and the blue dragon

GameBoyColor262d ago

Tales got kinda lucky here. When they took a chance and finally brought tales of graces f over west it sold like 250k lmao a lot of jrpgs did 500k or below. Disgaea was worse i think. Bamco decided to keep bringing more games over though.

Tapani263d ago (Edited 263d ago )

Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls II were the best RPGs on PS3 made by Japanese developers. Everything else just fell short always. Ni No Kuni was a full package, an okayish game as well. Nier and Drakengard III had superb writing, setting and voice acting, however, the performance was a real drag on the gameplay. Traditional RPG-wise I'd actually say 360 had better JRPGs, and think that Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were the best traditional JRPGs of the era. PS3 Valkyria Chronicles was okay, but it is closer to an SRPG.

Ryu Ga Gotoku games were also solid, they were still finding their footing and breaking new ground with new cities and formats.

PS3 was the era that almost made me quit gaming and I started playing on PC because I could not find good performance nor games on the system. PS4 got me back into it, and now PS5 is a mix in and between, I just play my PS4 library on the PS5 and rest on PC, just like during the PS3 era. The only new exclusive Sony JRPG is pretty much FFXVI and it is so streamlined and simplified from the normal RPG experience that I can't fit it into the genre anymore. Dragon Quest XII hopefully remedies all of this, but it is just one game.

These new games will all be on PC (while it does take 2-3 years to wait, and 6-12 months from launch to have them patched + fixed by modders) and they perform better on it. The only point in owning a PS5 is to play games a couple of years earlier, but for a hard-working family man like me, the quality of the experience is more important than playing it as soon as possible. And I can't do modern games at 30fps 720p after playing 120fps at 4K. For older games, that's okay.

PSX and PS2 though, those were the days...Still have a massive collections of classic RPGs in CD and DVD format and a phat PS3 to play them!

FinalFantasyFanatic262d ago

It's kinda like that, the PS3 generation was a bad time for JRPGs, especially with the Japanese feeling the need to westernize their games, shooters dominating that gen, the racism from western game journalists (it was bad, between G4, Phill Fish, and a slew of others), and the higher development costs...

It really made me miss the PS1/PS2 days of JRPGs, even the quality of half of those games during the 7th gen weren't as good. The 360 tried, but Microsoft's consoles weren't popular in Japan and no body in the West bought a Xbox for JRPGs (despite Xbox having Vesperia, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey).

on_line_forever262d ago

" It's kinda like that, the PS3 generation was a bad time for JRPGs, especially with the Japanese feeling the need to westernize their games "

This is when everything fall down and games looks not fun to play anymore except for few games like demon and dark souls for example

-Foxtrot263d ago (Edited 263d ago )

Nah. It's a bad trilogy of games

The only reason XIII-2 stands out is because XIII was so bad

When the bar is so low, anything after feels better.

goldwyncq263d ago

The monster catching mechanic was nice.

Eonjay263d ago

Don't understand the hate for it at all. Seems forced.

shinoff2183262d ago

Watching the credits roll on ff16 now it is good but , I'd really like to re try ff13 least it's turn based and would fill that gap for me.

FinalFantasyFanatic262d ago

They got better after the first one in the trilogy, not outstanding game though.

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CS7263d ago

Honestly, I played FFXIII a few years after release and maybe because it was after the hype cycle and I knew the flaws of the game, it actually became my favorite FF after VII.

I took off the mini map and never used auto battle and the stuff that mattered to me in an FF was just so well done.

The art and graphics were insane at the time
The music is still special
The story still lingers in memory more than a decade later
The RPG systems were decent

I never really got the hate for it, still have a soft spot for that game inside me.

goldwyncq263d ago

Still better than XV and XVI.

Yui_Suzumiya263d ago

Drakengard 3 goes for a small fortune nowadays

Knightofelemia263d ago (Edited 263d ago )

Only gripe I have with Ar Tonelico 3 is that Saki is annoying as hell whether English or in Japanese. Then Saki's English voice actor became Ionasal on Ar Nosurge she was a little annoying but not as bad. Johnny Young Bosch voicing Tatsumi I thought he did a great job. And Akiko Shikata with her vocals and the music from the games just went hand and hand.

DarkZane263d ago

I wish Ar No Surge and Ar Tonelico 3 would be remastered on PS4/PS5.

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How Nier Connects to the Drakengard Series

Nier and Drakengard are two series that couldn't be more different in their setting and stories, but somehow they are still linked.

vTuro24437d ago

The world needs a Drakengard 1 and 3 remake.

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'NieR': Why the Gameplay Does Not Need to Be Great

Whether intended or not, NieR makes a strong case that good gameplay is not everything, especially if a game has larger goals in mind.

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gold_drake1081d ago

i mean ... it depends right. when i think about drakengard 1s combat .. damn. its god awful. the game is great but its very charring to get through because of it.

good combat helps a game tremendously

Lighter91081d ago

The gameplay doesn't need to be great?! Trying to justify a lot of jrpgs.

Elda1081d ago

I just finished it a few days ago.