Halo Reach versus Killzone 2 HD screenshot comparison

GB writes:"Halo Reach is arguably Xbox 360's biggest game this year. Yes it has Fable III, Alan Wake and Splinter Cell: Conviction, but come on, we all know the impact that Halo games make on Microsoft's console. Killzone 2 is without a doubt the most amazing looking first person shooter even a year after its release. So we at GamingBolt decided to do a high definition screen shot comparison of both these games."

[blizzard_cool]

Halo Reach does look great but I still don't see how it has better graphics then KZ2, GoW3 or UC2. Well it's still in the alpha phase of development (If I remember correctly) so they still have some time to make it better.

[Darkeyes]

KZ2 will be nearly 2 years old by the time Reach comes out and probably KZ3 will be announed by that time, so it's no use comparing both. Just look at the ground textures and compare, KZ2 really benefits from Blu-Ray storage (High Res textures=more space).

Yesterday I just popped KZ2 in after playing Falout 3 and I was again Blown away (for the Upteenth time). Just playing online with 32 players with those graphics is a treat. Best FPS I have played period.

[morganfell]

And last night I was online and the servers were slammed full of people.

[Active Reload]

Every last one is a bullshot.

[Fox01]

Released linear, no coop, no nothing, gray shooter vs Pre-alpha Halo. I like that.

[Ravage27]

yea i agree, KZ2's graphics will really amaze you after taking a break away from it.

Halo reach looks better than i expected, and it should get better as development progresses. Right now though, there is no contest. One of the differences that really stands out for me are the gun models in both games. Check out the first comparison and you will see what i mean

[JsonHenry]

The problem with Halo is that there are just too many outdoor landscapes. It is easy to make a realistic looking cityscape out of low rez textures. But a rock, ground/grass, and a tree with low rez textures and "cardboard" leaves and foilage really bring down the fidelity level of a game. And games this gen really can't push enough power to make a very realistic alien landscape. Which is one of the reasons that K2 looks so damn good is because of that very reason - cityscapes are easier to make look believable.

[shutupandplay]

Yeah,I know. I logged on for the first time in a while, and I was like "whoa!". There were at least a couple thousand people. Good for killzone 2.

[plb]

I care more about the gameplay. PS3 can keep kz2 and gow 3 and I'll be happy with halo reach.

[eagle21]

look at the articles on the first page. It's time for Bungie and Microsoft to make better games because all these "halo vs. or master cheif" articles look pathetic. :)

[lowcarb]

Why don't we compare pre alphas instead of an incomplete game. Reach is shaping up very nicely and when it's done you can easily pick and pull shots that look incredible. The actual footage shown looks better than these shots. Really there's no reason to debate this until the game is finished because people will try anything to prove a point.

[snaz27]

thats how i remember it when i played it, it was graphics king for a reason you know lol... oh and id say halo reach were more like bullshots, anyone seen the halo reach in motion vid, cut scenes looked great gameplay didnt, simple... and for the people shouting open world, thats fine i dont exspect an open world game to look as good as k2, but in the same breath you cant use halo reach to tout the 360s graphics then, as many of them have! does it look as good as K2 no, end of.

[WMW]

bullshots lol ok lets pretend they are so how do you explain this?
http://i34.tinypic.com/22hz...
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
just so you know reach is linear too it just has open areas but only has 1 way in and out of that area. also who cares if kz2 doesn't have co-op it has 32 people online, large levels, no lag, and still looks amazing. don't be bitter because reach doesn't hold up you just look like a child who got his toys taken away.

@ lowcarb
just yesterday you said early reach pics look better than kz2 why the change of heart now?

[Downtown boogey]

Nothing on 360 has beaten even Gears 2 so why compare this to Killzone 2 which is obviously better looking? Does anyone recall Bungie stating that Halo: Reach can have so much as 20 dynamic light sources on screen? Killzone 2 can have over 120.

[True_Religion]

You can mention KZ2 or UC2

BUT DAMN, stop mentioning God of War 3, omg! The game isnt impressive at all.

Here, we have a SANDBOX game.

Really, you PS3 fanboys search for the most stupid excuses.

[Raf1k1]

At least Halo now has the improved graphics it's needed for a while. That and the great multiplayer is a win win for Halo fans.

[Hanif-876]

The guy used some very low quality Killzone 2 images but they still managed to shame Halo 3, oh this is Reach...i couldn't tell the difference :-(

[snaz27]

actually your wrong... there were parts of killzone 2 that had over 300!!! individual light sources, lmao look it up mate, i watched like an hour in depth behind the scenes making of with GG thats where i heard it... i think its the parts where all the robots are flying over head, the bit where you get the electric gun.

edit suppose id better provide a link here you go... http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n... check THAT out lmao, halo what?

[mrcash]

The visuals look on par with killzone deuce and while I love the art style in gow3 the graphics are no where near as good as uc2 kz2 and reach, well at least from my experience with the gow demo.

It just seems that games on the ps3 get too much credit for the graphics, and while their games generally do have better visuals than the xbox it's not that big of a leap..

If you ask the average consumer what is the best looking game out there; most will quickly answer modern warfare even after seeing other big contenders like killzone2 what I'm saying, is that it's just an opinion, and most games this gen look amazing.

[Active Reload]

I've never heard of KZ2 being the graphics king, except by some extremist retard.

[Active Reload]

What does having full servers have to do with this article. Are you trying to compare the number of people playing Halo to those playing KZ2? I hope not.

[Parapraxis]

Bungie hasn't even got close to matching Resistance: Fall of Man graphics yet with Reach. But that is a fairer comparison.

Comparing Halo: Reach to KZ2 is absurdity.
It's a no contest, a TKO for KZ2.

It is Bungie though, so the final game definitely won't look worse than R:FOM.

[Active Reload]

An open sandbox game pre-alpha pics compared to a corridor shooter from a year ago...bullshots mind you?

[snaz27]

however, anyone that played the game will know your talking BULLsh** lmao, give it up fella, and like ive said yeah it isnt fair to compare these games but people still keep saying its better looking, and aslong as people keep saying that, these comparisons will be made... just enjoy your game, even if it doesnt look as good as k2, let alone k3! lmao

[nix]

even then, i doubt Reach's SP can sustain what KZ2's MP can pull off. 32 full detailed players. guns. grenades. and what not.

[morganfell]

You could not do co-op in Killzone 2 without altering the story. Apparently that doesn't matter, breaking canon, no slamming the canon on the floor isn't a move of any consequence.

What would the solution have been, just invent 3 Helghast that were suddenly turned against Visari and have them fight along side Sev?

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Don't know what you guys are talking about. Halo Reach looks like it's shaping up to be a very good looking game.

@Active Reload:

You joined n4g 2 days ago. Your words are in a style similar to someone else on this site who has been reduced to one bubble. AYEGOTMYEYEONYOU

[D4RkNIKON]

Here are a couple more HD Killzone screens to wet your appetite

http://blog.seattletimes.nw...
http://www.dailygame.net/im...
http://talkplaystation.com/...

The character and gun models are so detailed. I agree, I played this game recently after a break and it still amazes me. The textures, lighting, physics and HIT RESPONSE SYSTEM (ie where ever you shoot enemies, they react appropriately) Amazing game, it will be tough for Halo to compete graphics wise and KZ2 will be about 2 years old by the time Reach releases. I can't wait to see some footage of KZ3!!!

[TheTwelve]

At least these guys were wise enough to compare games of the same genre, sheesh. Stupid to even comment on Reach vs UC2 or GOW3 (although Reach loses against them badly).

Here you can compare gun to gun, helmet to helmet.

Halo Reach is not going to end up looking better than Killzone 2, if only because of hardware limitations.

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[Hellsvacancy]

This Halo pic is a concept pic (look closely)

http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

Y its bein used against a real time K2 screenshot i dont know

[silvacrest]

well, i guess this comparison was gonna come up sooner or later, although i thought it would come after reach's release

no point in comparing a unfinished game to a year old game

[BlackAvenger7]

I always leaned towards "realistic" shooter's more than sci-fi ones..
thats why I like Modern warfare(CoD4),MAG and BC2(based on the demo).. but to be honest I don't think Halo will match Killzone2 in terms of graphics, but the controls are way better in Halo..
And before anyone starts saying that Killzone2 controls were realistic, I still think that lag don't mean heaviness (example: BC2 weapons feel heavy but they are responsive)

*plz don't take my comment as a fact its just MY opinion :)

Edit: @raztad
true, Killzone2 and Uncharted2 screens don't give these games a favor at all. they look way better in motion!

[otherZinc]

Halo:Reach has:

4 Player Co-op through the "Campaign"

Massive Levels you can "EXPLORE"

Many vehicles, land & aircraft you can drive, ride as a passenger, or use turret

Skulls

GoW3, Killzone 2, & Uncharted 2 has absolutely none of that. Memory needs to be used that would dilute graphical fidelity, if Bungie wanted to do a scripted, linear, or game with small levels, it would look far better.

[lowcarb]

I'm not having a change of heart at all. After seeing Reach in motion I clearly see it's looking and getting better as time goes on. There have been other shots posted that look better than certain KZ2 moments. What I'm saying is once the game is finished we can put an end to all this KZ2 is the graphics king nonsense.

[raztad]

Those KZ2 screen dont do the game justice and still came on top. On my TV they look much more impressive, not to mention all the stuff going on at the same time.

That said, Halo:Reach is looking very nice, I wouldn't expect much better visuals in the final product though, however come on xboys rejoice, game is looking improved over Halo 3/ODST.

[SilentNegotiator]

Comparing prerendered Reach shots vs Killzone 2 alpha shots.
That makes a world of sense.

/s

[DeZv3]

'Yesterday I just popped KZ2 in after playing Falout 3 and I was again Blown away (for the Upteenth time). Just playing online with 32 players with those graphics is a treat. Best FPS I have played period.'

So true. The best way to really understand how good Killzone 2's graphics are is not play the game for a while and then come back to it after you played some multiplat games...you'll be blown away every time!

People tend to forget how good KZ 2 looks because they move on to other games but if they take the time to just play it again for a few minutes they'll see the difference in quality is tremendous.

(same thing goes for Uncharted 2)

P.S. Comparison #3 is a testament to how amateurish and biased this 'gamingbolt' website is. Comparing concept art to a screengrab from a multiplayer map? LOL

[Imalwaysright]

I remember when 1UP made a comparison between Halo 3 and Killzone 2 when it was in pre-alpha stages and the xbox fanboys on N4g were jumping around like it was christmas day. And arent you always saying that nothing interests you on the PS3 and that you dont own a PS3? How do you know that Reach looks better than Killzone 2 at certain moments if you didnt even play Killzone 2 AND Halo Reach?

[Jinxstar]

http://3litegame.files.word...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

http://www.pcgameshardware....

http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/...

Those are "Sandbox" or "Open world"

http://terminalgamer.com/wp...

http://admintell.napco.com/...

I'm sorry but these are "Arenas" with 1 way in and out. This is not OPENWORLD or SANDBOX in anyway... The game looks good but IS NOT OPENWORLD. On all the KZ2 talk even that game just as much scale if not more.

http://tech2.in.com/media/i...

http://gamemaster.hurleymul...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

There is nothing wrong with liking KZ2 or Halo more then the other. Feel free... However if your gonna compare then at least know. KZ2 has HUGE scale. On par imo with anything I have seen so far from Halo Reach easily. I didn't even get picks from the vehicle parts in KZ2... So yeah... There is also more then "Just city scapes" in KZ2... if you played it you'd know. AS far as Aesthetic looks go I even prefer Halos colorful aspect over KZ2's dark gritty one but thats just an opinion. As far as how much the game engines can do it's kind of a wait and see...

Take this as a perspective for thought though. Remember the KZ2 render that got a lot of flack a few years back. The "Target render" and how it was said to be impossible and then sony even went beyond that... no one is even close to saying "Halo reach is lies. it can't do that" because it... IMO ... is really not that impressive from a technical standpoint. However we will see...

Edit: My only other comment about peoples KZ2 complaints are the controls... Truth is I like to think about it as "Realistic" in that if your running at full speed weighed down by weapons and ammo your not going to be able to jump 30 feet in the air and do a spinning shot with a rocket launcher to take someone out. You have momentum and can't stop on a dime. It takes time to stop... Your body doesn't spin like a top. Go ahead and put on 60 pounds of gear and see how fast you can spin in a circle. Stop. Aim and get a good sight picture... It's not instant and KZ2 is not a twitch game like MW2 or halo. some people prefer the twitch gaming INCLUDING ME. but I wont knock KZ2 because I feel it's controls are good and feel more real. Thats what people mean when they say "You have weight"... This means you can't stop spin and do a million other things with a simple 0.2 second twitch...

[lowcarb]

First off I've played many games on PS3 including KZ2 and will tell you the system doesn't interest me. 2nd I've given PS3 plenty of props in the past as far as graphics go and simply have been stating that things are progressing for both systems not just one. 3rd I also remember the days of KZ2 bashing so all of you guys should know this comparison stuff is stupid. 4th these shots prove nothing other than the fact Reach isn't done yet. And 5th Once Reach is completed we will have this talk again(bookmarked)and mark my word you will need to change your name to Iamalwayswrong!

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

"..but to be honest I don't think Halo will match Killzone2 in terms of graphics, but the controls are way better in Halo..
And before anyone starts saying that Killzone2 controls were realistic, I still think that lag don't mean heaviness (example: BC2 weapons feel heavy but they are responsive)

*plz don't take my comment as a fact its just MY opinion :)"

- BlackAvenger7

If you don't want people to take your *opinion* as fact than you should have typed, "I THINK the controls are way better in Halo" because the words "I THINK" is stating an opinion. Saying, "IT IS" or anything without "I THINK" or simply "I" - I like, I hate, I love...etc. - is stating as fact. lol, you need to brush up on your English.

[mythamp]

All this while when you said BullShot i thought you were obviously referring to the HALO Reach screenshots (always expected from MS), lol, You my friend have never played KZ2 or let alone seen it. It is sad but when you buy your ps3 after getting the 3D TV you can play and feel stupid for calling the KZ2 shots bullshots. LOL, atleast GG and KZ2 owners should be happy knowing that the shots that you think are highly improved and modified (bull) are actually what we see when we play it. Thanks for appreciating KZ2's graphics, yes it is that damn awesome.

[BlackAvenger7]

oh man, really!
sorry, but English is not the main language in my country, and Im actually working on improving my English, so I appreciate your notification even thought "I THINK" u could've said it in a better, more mature way!

[SlyGuy]

A better comparison might have been the RESISTANCE series on PS3.

It looks to fall somewhere between R1 and R2.

[IaMs12]

AND here we go already, when 1 game has been out for 2 years, and 1 game is still showing alpha-build shots. I think Reach though has better textures, a lot more detailed while KZ2 models are better.

But lets wait till the product is finished before jumping guns.... and those complaining about comparing a 2 year old game to a new game, people did the same thing with Halo 3! Halo 3!.

[HappyTrigger]

KillZone 2 does not have a 120 light sources. It actually has 230.

[BattleAxe]

HALO: Reach will be coming out on DVD......nuff said

[DaTruth]

Although clearly not as impressive as KZ2, I've been looking at screenshots of Reach the past couple of days and it looks like a beautiful game! I really enjoy the scenery and it kind of reminds me of the first time I saw Halo:CE!

Had to write this comment before looking at any others, because when I read the stupidness about to take place, my tone will likely change!

They should split the campaign and the multiplayer up on two disks or use the gameworld for multiplayer to save space and get the best out of it!

[jakethemuss]

a sandbox game.

[Aquanox]

The color palette in KZ2 is so limited that it's easier to make good looking graphics. Reach not only has a much richer palette but its open instead of linear with much more things going on at the same time than KZ2.

As a whole, Reach is a technically more impressive game, and most importantly, it's a game that will last for years, unlike the forgettable Killzone 2 which only excelled in the visuals apartment.

[Saaking]

KZ2 will look miles better and besides, by the time Reach releases, Killzone 3 will probably have already been announced. MS playing catch up, but they'll never reach Sony's level of quality. You want TRUE next generation games? Get a PS3.

[DatNJDom81]

Lets be fair, power rangers isnt even done yet. Lets wait for the game to come out then compare it. I personally dont think it will ever be Killzone 2 quality in gfx department, but who knows. Maybe this will be the game to finally reach Uncharted gfx on the 360. Or maybe not.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I usually stay out of these Killzone 2 vs. Halo Reach articles that keep popping up every now and then even though I find it ammusing to read them. And your comment at 1.7 is funny because everytime I look at the Halo Reach screenshots I always look in the backgrounds and the Halo Reach backgrounds are so simplistic (nothing really back there but a couple rocks). I assume you're just trolling because I really hope you don't believe a full city taxes the system less than wide open barren landscapes.

[die_fiend]

I see the SDF out in force as ever on this site. The game looks sweet, a hell of a lot sweeter than the primitive graphics of Halo 3. Killzone 2 won't be able to match this online, even tho it was a lot of fun, it was nowhere near as smooth. The graphics may be sweet on KZ2 and the single player is damn good but the multiplayer can't handle all the stuff going on most of the time. If there's a ton of stuff going on it's virtually unplayable. Oh wait, I'm wrong because this is not favourable to PS3. The community that comprises this site are an embarrassment

[infamousinfolite]

Response to my other post: Hmmm Halo: Reach does look good tho imo it can be as good when it comes out but still now it doesn't no way no how

[WildArmed]

is it just me or the 3rd screenshot looks like concept art vs real screenie?

If that is a real screenie of HR, just wow.

[evrfighter]

kz2 looks like crap with a pretty lightbulb spotlighting it...

why they chose to compare to that low-res turd of a game is beyond me.

[GVON]

I tried posting this on the site but it wont let me.

basically i'm glad he's using alpha screens from both,as it would be unfair using final build KZ vs alpha Reach.

But I question screen 3,why is clearly using concept art (check link) as a comparison
http://www.bungie.net/proje...
if you don't know source material,you shouldn't be making comparisons.

@ Aquanox
"Reach not only has a much richer palette but its open instead of linear"
From the screens we have now,I wouldn't say Reach is blessing us with colour,that will probably change.KZ linear in single player,yes,but online no,take Pyrrhus Rise,the map is big

As it seems you didn't know that just check this vid,you don't need to respond,i'm just showing that the "it looks good because it's linear" stuff is bs.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
even this vid doesn't show how open the map is,and is probably under a third of the map,yet it still looks amazing.

[Digitaldude]

No comparison, KZ2 looks alot better.

[D4RkNIKON]

Because of this article, I made a wallpaper for 2010 Killzone 3 vs Halo Reach. Let me know what you think lol

http://farm5.static.flickr....

[Dance]

Reach is still in it's pre-alpha stages

[skwidd]

No developer puts out it's preview shots of a game if it looks less than spectacular to them, hence what some developers do is show bullshots. With that said, bullshot or not, KZ2 is trumps Halo's graphics and seriously they don't even use the best looking parts from the game. Seen the dunes in that game?! OMG!

Secondly, the guy does not know what he's talking about. He compares concept work with actual footage. Not only that but has the gall, to call the train level rendered with low rez texture. This is very annoying and misinformed. I love when he mentions the very detailed trees. Come on, can you really confirm that?!

Now on to the subjective. Did you see the design on those aliens? Looks horrible to me! Looks like a kid's game which it is I guess. I love KZ's mature look and design. Graphics capabilities aside, KZ aesthetically looks so much better. Using less colors is not easier to do than more color. Whoever told you that just heard a 13 year old say it and is just repeating. I work in the commercial arts industry and doing things with less color is still the same amount of work. Try making a game in B&W. It still takes lots of skill to light everything up. Every nuance need to be accounted for. And for a game with less color, those colors need to harmoniously work together and then there'd be tons of shades of it which need to be meticulously chosen.

The guy also cant spell ISA!!

Conclusion: KZ is better with this still unfair comparison and is probably gonna look better when Halo is released. Who cares anyway, GG would be closer to releasing KZ3. I hope...

[Consoldtobots]

"The color palette in KZ2 is so limited that it's easier to make good looking graphics. Reach not only has a much richer palette but its open instead of linear with much more things going on at the same time than KZ2. "

MASSSIVEEE FACEPALM, let met get southern for a second.........

"boyeeee what in theeee hell are ya talkin about?"

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Killzone 2 wins. It's not even close.

[PtRoLLFacE]

is it me or pre-alpha reach just pawned killzone 2 lol

[ShadowCK]

How the hell can you compare a finished game to a unfinished game?

Such bull****

[ThanatosDMC]

I thought people said KZ2 was nothing graphically? Now they're gonna praise Reach if it kinda looks like KZ2? It doesnt even come close to how KZ2 looks like.

[CWMR]

-Most of the ps3 fanboys on this site are so full of sh^t it's not even funny.

I mean we actually have some morons claiming Halo Reach looks no better than Resistance 2. Give me a break. Halo 3 already looks better than Resistance 2, so how is Halo Reach not going to look far better? It's absurd.

It's all a bunch of lies from these guys. They don't even care if they sound ridiculous as long as they are hyping up their console and putting down the others.

I still think Halo Reach is more technically impressive than Killzone 2. It doesn't matter how many ps3 fanboys disagree because they will disagree no matter what the truth is. You could have a 360 game that looked twice as good as any ps3 game and these fanboys would still claim some ps3 game looks better. And just because there are so many ps3 trolls on the internet they simply shout down anybody that doesn't agree with them. It's a truly sad state of affairs.-

[lowcarb]

I'm sitting here looking at the pics and can easily see where Reach is surpassing KZ2 in the 1st 2 pics. The 3rd pic can't be compared and the last pic does look better on kz2 but I've seen much better pics of Reach than that one. All these disagrees and rants going on and on when every one of you guys are lying to yourself. The ground in the 1st KZ2 looks like a bump mapped joke as well as the blurry back ground and gray everything. The second pic is completely brown and there clothing looks retarded next to what the covenant are wearing. When later footage is released you guys are going to deny it once again. KZ2 looks dated already and I don't agree with none of this claiming nonsense!

[pixelsword]

Killzone

Shot #1 is from the game (first stage)

2,3, and 4 are from the multiplayer.

shot #2 are showing a character that weren't in the stage at that point in the game; as a matter of fact, I don't think that part of the stage is accessible in the single player.

shot #3 The train stage can't be looked at from that angle from the game, but you can from the multiplayer.

Shot #4 is from the map pack that modeled a stage from the first game, so that level isn't even in Killzone 2's single player.

For Halo: Reach

Shot #3 is concept art.

[MNicholas]

Stupid to compare Halo Reach with KZ2.

Even in static screenshots KZ2 wipes the floor with Reach. Add much more dynamic lighting, shadows, particle effects, physics, animation, etc... and Reach is simply outmatched.

[Shepherd 214]

i know its his opinion, but the fact that he says Killzone 2 is the best FPS solely because of graphics is kinda lame.

[JonnyBadfinger]

I dont care what other people say about Halos graphics. Cause it aint gunna stop me in the slightest from a day one purchase.

Sure KZ2 looks good... actually scrap that, it looks amazing. But to say it far out weighs Halo isnt true.
Those who cant see Halo for what it is are blind... Halo IMO is one of the best looking games out there. Its graphics set it apart from all other games, notice people say it still looks like Halo?? thats intentional!

People who hate it (Halo) dont hate the graphics, they hate the art style... just like people hate KZ2 and Gears dark art style.

Halo is still the only game that cant make me angry... probably because its the only game i dont take seriously, the fun factor in Halo smashes KZ2, CoD, MAG, Gears...

And how anyone can pick a winner out of those screens is a fool. there are far better KZ2 and Halo Reach screens then the crap that site dug up.

[TK421]

I can't add onto what everyone else has already said about how great Killzone looks.

And yes Virginia, there are graphical moments in Killzone that I have to just stop and stare at.

[skwidd]

"The ground in the 1st KZ2 looks like a bump mapped joke as well as the blurry back ground and gray everything. The second pic is completely brown and there clothing looks retarded next to what the covenant are wearing."
^^ Lol! Seriously you for real? Okay there are opinions and I understand that but I don't understand how you cannot see the visible and be able to decipher technical achievement. Art is subjective so Im not gonna get into that. You can have the primary kids colors for your game all you want and I can settle with just 2 beautiful complimentary colors on each level. But to blatantly say grey everything and saying the ground is a joke is unfounded. The terrain in the game when outdoors in KZ is so organic and just one ground level has many varying degree heights. Just one look at the rain level in mulriplayer and you will know and feel how mud would feel like in a battle. Every ground elevation is accounted for and makes for so much strategic battle.

Anyway, the KZ shots are so darn old and I wish I can capture some stills from the game that I play now because I think they are even better than the ones posted. Go visit killzone forums and see.

I can bet you haven't even played the game and are judging kz based on old pics that were released to market the game a long time ago and are judging Halo based on pics that may not reflect what the game is like accurately.

[Pistolero]

Killzone 2 does look nice...but I think Halo Reach equals or surpasses it. It's funny too because even by this comparison Halo Reach holds its own or in some ways surpasses Killzone 2.

In the first two screenshots I thought they looked about equal....I thought the landscape in Reach looked much nicer than the environment in Killzone 2 but overall they looked pretty close.

The second set of screenshots I thought Halo Reach looked better because the textures on the characters are better on the Halo Reach characters than on the Killzone 2 characters....the Killzone 2 textures looked so muddy and flat.

The third set of screenshots was stupid because he didn't even realize he was comparing concept art to a screenshot.....but if the actual Halo Reach landscape in that area ends up looking anywhere close to that then yes I would agree with him that it looks better than the Killzone 2 environment.

The fourth screenshots I thought that Reach looked better....the textures on the ground of the Killzone 2 screenshot look muddy and lacking in detail and the character model doesn't look as good as the character models in the Reach screenshot.

So I have to say that I feel that Halo Reach has the edge.

[SL1M DADDY]

Come on, really? And wasn't Killzone 2 released a year ago? So we are going to compare a game that is going to be nearly two years old to Halo Reach when Reach is released? Sorry, but that just smells of insecurity. Let me ask you this, if Halo Reach looks as good or better than Killzone 2, will it make the game more fun to play?

[vhero]

Hahahaha how bad is this article they compared this
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
to this
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

The halo one is drawn! How badly do you wanna try and prove a point here?? Halo reach is still far too early in development for this kind of crap and to be fair its not looking that much better than Halo 3 right now but like I just said its still too early.

[duplissi]

@otherZinc

small!? you clearly HAVE NOT PLAYED either uncharted 2 or killzone 2

[MNicholas]

No one's going to confuse this footage for CGI.

4x more polygons? Give me a break. The gameplay graphics are straight out of Halo 2.

Halo 2:
http://gamingtp.files.wordp...
http://shaggy4dog.files.wor...
http://image.com.com/gamesp...

In contrast, here's Killzone 2:
http://www.killzone2.com/Ki...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://img231.imageshack.us...

[MNicholas]

http://talkplaystation.com/...

[cmrbe]

to be honest. What is with the shiny/bloom graphics?. KZ2 is still on another level and comparable to Crysis.

[danthegardner]

Comparing concept art to an actual screenshot in comparison 3. I don't think that's fair

[xTruthx]

IMO, KZ2 still looks better than that concept art, look at the atmosphere in both pic's.

[darkgunner]

Neither is comparing pre-alpha screenshots to finished ones.

[DaTruth]

Yet, you guys can bash pre-alpha Gow3 demo a build that will be a year old on release in a 3yr dev cycle! Which mind you, still looks better than anything on 360!

I mean seriously, Kratos has flexing muscles and pumping veins in a pre-alpha build!

[Xwow2008]

is still superior to halo reach maybe the final build for reach will have the same quality of kz2.
and btw the website is showing better quality screens for halo reach(click in the photos) but still KZ2 is better :)

[meetajhu]

hahha Killzone 2 which is going to be more than 1 year old is already better looking than Reach. Still Reach cannot reach Killzone 2 Animations!

[Dacapn]

3 things I found hilarious about this comparison:

1. The third comparison shot is concept art vs. an actual game...and the actual game still wins!

2. The author forgot to mention that on that third comparison shot for KZ2 the background is completely dynamic and the physics also change accordingly.

3. This is the same site that compared Kratos's in game model to Dante's CG render lol

Basically, Halo Reach is a huge upgrade FOR HALO, but the game quickly becomes average when compared to other graphical powerhouses.

[PirateThom]

Ah, Killzone 3 is going to be even more epic, why worry?

[plb]

The fact that kz2 online community is more or less dead while halo 3 is still the 2nd most popular game on LIVE speaks volumes. That is all.

[mrcash]

killzone 3 will likely improve the engine a bit but i'm not expecting anything mind blowing.. Uc2 however was an amazing experience all around naughty dog really knows how to take advantage of the hardware.

[PirateThom]

Just going to load up Killzone 2 here...

Yep, still lots of active games.

[FlameBaitGod]

plb, that's because you have no other games to play. I mean you waited how long for the last halo and it had the same maps as the old one ROFL! and its clear to me that you don't play kz2 cus there's plenty of servers with 32 players in them. Maybe your bad at math like bungie.

How many games have ps3 owners had since 2009 till now in terms of exclusive's when comparing it to 360 ? lol yeah

[DaTruth]

Lack of having anything else to play, is a pro in your argument?

[ThanatosDMC]

No games. That's a harsh fact you pointed out.

[WMW]

well then i guess that settles that people can tone down the hype for reach. it is an improvement over past halo games but no where near as amazing as some of you say it is.

[snaz27]

they will keep banging that drum, i had a dicussion with one of them by PM earlier, you wouldnt believe the excuses he was coming up with lmao, he admitted ps3 games were the best looking but in the end said the games will come (for the 360)! well its been 4 years now! how long has he gotta wait? i thought ps3 was the delaystation! pmsl, The only time an xbox game will be on top of the ps3s games, in terms of graphics, will be when the 720 comes along! i kinda feel for em, they believe everything ms told em! oh btw off topic, just got off the heavy rain demo! all i can say is WOW!

[DaTruth]

Very beautiful game; but the demo really turned me off. I almost felt like I wasn't playing the game and even if I had been playing, it still would have seemed boring! All in my opinion of course.

I was really about to buy this game and I'm sure if I did I would enjoy it, with all the critical acclaim it is getting; Just not my game for $60 in a great games cluttered environment, but will pick it up when the price drops!

[ipwnall]

Reach can't even beat a 1 year old game. What the hell does it take for you bots to understand that PS3 destroys the Xbox 360 in terms of graphics?

Do you need Gate's to say it?

[infamousinfolite]

That is very true

[Shaman]

WOOOW this must be a new low?I mean comparing game thats still in alpha(those are even pre-alpha) with one of best looking games man im impressed,dude who compared it is real idiot.

Why dont they compare Reach when it comes out at least or compare it to the Resistance 2 because its open game not corridor shooter.As I said new low for people who approved this article.

[WMW]

it was 360 owners who started the comparisons when they seen the trailer. just yesterday some 360 fanboy said early reach pics look better than finished kz2. so don't try and change your(not you personally the 360 fanboys who started this) tone now that things didn't turn out the way you guys wanted.

[ironmonkey]

WHY U SO ANGRY? U PRAISE UR 360 A LIL TO MUCH

[proximately]

...I have yet to find a single title that looked much different in the pre-alpha version when compared to the final product (don't mention the PS2 version of Halo).

I'll wait until I play Reach to make my final statement but I don't expect it to look better.

[RagTagBnd445]

People who do comparisons like this, really want's to start a flame war. Also shows how graphic minded most gamers are today, what about we wait until Reach is actually released, so we can do an actually comparison.

Also, you can't compare screenshots, if they are not even the same freaking resolution.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

KZ2 looks better.

[execution17]

and before people start disagreeing, halo reach isn't going to have the same amount of particle effects as killzone 2 nor is it going to have the same lighting effects which isn't (probably) possible on the 360 since it needs a hell of a lot of processing to pull off

[Shaman]

Im sorry but you do know that cpu is not the one responsible for lightning?Its gpu,just so you know that Cell is not the one doing it ;)

[Xwow2008]

sry to tell u this but cell spus can do lighting
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1...

Don,t underestimate the cell tech :)

[nix]

we arent talking about 3~4 lights here. KZ2 uses 300 to be exact. here:
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...

[Shaman]

Im not saying it cant,spus are specialized for alot gpu tasks,but its GPU job,other thing is that rsx is not capable of that.Even though this guy think 360 cant have that kind of lightning hes wrong,Crysis 2 will use HDR,more advanced then KZ2 lightning,and Metro 2033 has one of the finest lightning,also its on 360 ;)

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/...

Here,360 also has its horse for race,called VMX128 units,something similar to spus in cell,also can help xenos,physics and a.i ;)

[FernandoMartinez]

What a silly comparisson LOL

[frankymv]

Yes, it looks much, much, much better than Halo Reach

[GarandShooter]

That's a whole lot of brown and gray. I wonder if the colorful environments are gone. I wonder even more if the KZ2 haters complaining about brown and gray are now going to hold Halo:Reach to the same standard?

Back on topic: Reach looks like quite a leap over 3 and ODST. One of my must buy titles for the 360 this year. Can't wait. What a great year of gaming 2010 is going to be.

[alphakennybody]

haha like many other, they fail when it comes to comparisons. heavily detailed artwork vs full-fledge 3d lvl. Just like the DI vs god of war that came out while ago. They compared the characters models ,the demo build of kratos (all gameplay) vs CGI rendered Dante yet Kratos looked way more detailed.
On topic: this comparison is null, pre alpha screens vs a year old game. Even I as a ps3 owner, I believe it's not fair.

[shutupandplay]

Yeah, Killzone 2 trumps it.

[lloyd_wonder]

Killzone 2 is a great FPS; best shooter in '09-- one of the top shooters this generation. I just hope people realise thiis. Halo Reach is going to be the one to look out for, and it will be a great game. /End

[drzmvp554]

these comparisons are so bad, why would you compare pre-alpha screens to final build screens

[Active Reload]

They're using pre-alpha pics and comparing them to bullshots of a game thats been out a year, thats pathetic.

[shadow2797]

The funny thing about you calling them bull-shots is that 3 of the 4 screens are actually from multiplayer. 3 of those shots actually look worse than the full game. Want proof? If you've played Killzone 2, you'll know that there is only one train. And the other two shots are from multiplayer maps, not the single player campaign.

The only real shot is the first one.

That said, I'm hoping I can get into Halo Reach. I think it should be quite fun. But graphically, it isn't anything special. It still surprises me that no one mentions SC: Conviction when it comes to graphics. It's easily X360's best looking game at this point.

But I guess Halo is Halo and everyone has to make a big deal about it...

[mrbillybadass]

it doesnt have AS much going on in the enviro...however reach's battlefields are ALOT more wide open battles...as it stands right now KZ2 i believe has the overall edge...however with 8 or so months left in dev time for reach its not absurd to say that reach might be able to edge it out by time of release

[digger18]

Why even compare the two games?

Both look great, but both are different in their art.

Killzone 2 has gone for the realistic look and Halo the more cartoon look, which is not a bad thing.

[jack who]

omglulbbq

[xtremeimport]

jesus...here we go again.
this might be my biggest reason for disliking the Halo series...it brings out the best of the fanboys.

[bjornbear]

but um...

LOL

no.

edit: on a fair note, thats still the best looking Halo so props to Bungie for bringing more out of the 360 =)

[jizzyjones]

reach looks on par with resistance 2 at best an still far from kz2, such a shame it will outsell kz3 by millions.

[Parapraxis]

Exactly what I thought when I saw these screens.
They should be aiming to match Resistance graphics, KZ2 is WAY out of their league.
Resistance 2 blows this out of the water, sure there's lots of time to polish, but we all know that this is pretty much what the final game will look like.
So again.
Aim for R2 level graphics i'm sure you can get close Bungie. ;)

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

The vidoc for Reach already looks better than KZ2 so I'm sure they're not concerned.

[CWMR]

-Halo 3 already looks better than Resistance 2. I've played both games a bunch and there is no doubt that Halo 3's lighting and textures are superior to Resistance 2. Remember reviewers complaining about some PS2 quality textures in Resistance 2?

I can't believe you guys can sit there and act like Halo Reach doesn't blow Resistance 2 out of the water. The difference is enormous.

Resistance 2
http://static.gamesradar.co...
http://static.gamesradar.co...
http://static.gamesradar.co...
http://static.gamesradar.co...

Halo Reach
http://www.bungie.net/image...
http://www.bungie.net/image...
http://www.bungie.net/image...
http://www.bungie.net/image...
http://www.bungie.net/image...

[mythamp]

I didnt know HALO Reach was going to be a 1080p game!! Cant WAIT the first full 1080p game on xBox360!! /s

Whats with the upscaled image of R2?

[True_Religion]

wow, Killzone 2 got already owned!

Pre alpha vs. final build!

40 enemies vs. 10

Sandbox game vs. medicore shooter

[RedDragan]

Speaking of sand, you got your head in it!

All the KZ2 screens have masses of particle effects in the atmosphere and still pull off a great picture, whereas Halo: Reach's one shot of smoke is poor!

Bungie have a lot of work ahead of them if they want to compete with Killzone 2. Not saying it is impossible but they are better off postponing until 2011 to make it look even better.

[jakethemuss]

its almost complete.

[man0fsteel]

the third comparison halo reach picture is not in game, its an artist's interpretation

[Optical_Matrix]

Lol I was about to say, that pic is concept art. wth

[man0fsteel]

what I am also loving right now is that people actually have the audacity to disagree...

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

What is the comparison for? In terms of Graphics, we already know it is better KZ2.

But, I don't know why they still trying to compare in graphics, Halo is not even close from the graphics of KZ2.

Halo is still in developmnet, so it can't be a comparison, but those graphics are relationated with the final product.

[eagle21]

grow up to better games BOTS. :)

[The Maxx]

Before this article was released, I thought Killzone was the better looking game...now that I have seen some screen shots comparing the 2 games, it is clear to me, thanks to this site, that Halo Reach is on the same level graphically as Killzone 2. Halo3 alone is still a better game overall. Reach is just going to expand on that.

[chidori666]

"Halo3 alone is still a better game overall. "

you are delusional fanboy of halo..

[xAlmostPro]

by reaches release it will be on par with killzone 2 if not slightly better.. but kz3 is already in the making with a new engine that tops the kz2 one.. halor:reach is about to enter a losing fight lol

[The Maxx]

Delusional huh? Well 1 million+ and myself on any given day disagree with you and the 34,000 players playing KZ2 on any given day.

Thanks for coming out.

Looks like the people have spoken...and it's not in favor for KZ2.

[PickAShoe]

the gun for Killzone 2 looks much better than Halo Reach

[hatchimatchi]

Killzone 2 is the best looking game on consoles.

Uncharted 2 is great but killzone 2 is still the best as far as im concerned.

To the people saying they prefer gameplay over graphics. That's absolutely fine if you enjoy halo more, we all have our favorites. You shouldn't discredit kz2 as being a fun game though, it's an absolute blast.

[RagTagBnd445]

Good post, there are a lot of people on this site that need to learn the difference between, a game they do not like, and a game that is just bad.

[xAlmostPro]

you know something.. im all for uncharted 2 but seeing these screenshots reminded me of how stunning killzone 2 is..completely forgot! i may even buy it again haha

[raztad]

KZ2 and UC2 are two different beasts. Uc2 got better textures (look stuning under the sunlight) and character models. KZ2 has better lightning (300+ sources), the weapons are crazy detailed and incredible particle effects. Both are winners on their own.

[True_Religion]

Reach = 3 Million in 1 week

KZ2 = 2 Million in 12 months + platinum after 6 month + no players online :)

Who cares about KZ2 if nobody plays that game :)

[PirateThom]

Who cares about Halo when only children play it?

[jack who]

@8.1 - that excuse is so old

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

@PirateThom

20 Years old acting like 10 in Halo, that is the lame part.

@jack who -

Yeap, that is an Old factual excuse.

[RedDragan]

The excuse might be old Jack but it is still true.

I prefer mature people to kids because I hate hearing this "you nigga" crap all the time!

Killzone 2 is has a far more friendly community.

[jack who]

friendly cuzz no one has a mic

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

http://www.youtube.com/comm...

Just saying.

[RedDragan]

First the mic quote is a cheap shot, usually happens when someone knows they are on to a loser.

Second, if it means not hearing racist sqeaky voiced boys everytime you enter a server game then I would rather people didn't have mics at all.

Third, plenty of people have mics on PS3. It is consistenly a Top 10 order on Play.com which is a massively popular site.

EDIT: I love the disagree's lol... some people just love racism and call a website a liar for displaying it's top 10 and don't understand why cheap shots are given...

[chidori666]

argument of sales= ONLY FOR LOSERS!

wii fit sell around 25 m and you still talking about sales..

heres you spin now halo fanboy?

[Thoreau]

an oxymoron. your silly post are just straight moron.

[jakethemuss]

That excuse is old.

[baker_boi]

The excuse is OLD but the KIDS are not ;)

"Are you a N****r?" C'mon dude...

even the so called "mature" teens are doin it. They're the ones who started that mess.

Have you ever played on XBC(Xbox Connect)?It's got the same flaming racism on there as Live. And this was even back in 2004. Yall gotta be fricken kiddin me.

Just a bunch baby lynchers and skin heads playin halo. I can't even enjoy the game no mo.

[Rybnik]

As mentioned above this is unfair in comparison (but not a 'new low') In fact this sort of thing has been done with almost all PS3 exclusives til now! This is the first time I think I have seen it switched the other way around. It still is not fair. They should wait til Reach is actually done, for the simple reason that almost all PS3 exclusives take a huge leap forward in the last few months of development, this could as well. Don't judge incomplete products, no matter what platform!

That being said, based on these pics (which I think skew in KZ2's favor) the author is right. However, Reach may end up adding motion blur, depth of field, and other PP effects KZ2 posseses, who knows these are early shots.

Finally though, from watching the Reach vidoc it looks like the scope of the game will be rather larger than Killzone 2, so it is likely that the graphics won't quite stack up in the end. For its size, I think it looks great and obviously much improved from Halo 3, while retaining Halo quality gameplay. Isn't that what really matters most?

[xAlmostPro]

but at the same time killzone 2 is a whole year old..

and they have been developing halo reach for about the same time, i mean the artwork n shize was probably all sketched up close to KZ2's release..

so you would still expect it to kick its ass.. i mean the game has a beta which is usually released not far from the games final product..in the sense that there most likely wont be a WOW amount of graphical difference

then again i agree that it will be better to compare once its fully built

[raztad]

@Rybnick

KZ2 scope is huge as well. Go and jump in KZ2 multiplayer and you will know what I mean. Huge landscapes (maps) with 32 dudes on it, while keeping the SP visual fidelity.

BTW, there are people around here saying Halo:Reach is "sandbox" thats not true. GTA4, inFAMOUS, Red Faction:G, Prototype, Fallout 3, Burnout:Paradise are sandbox. Reach is just one map right after another map as any linear game.

[JonnyBigBoss]

That's a pretty unfair comparison.

[sashimi]

Apparently Halo is the end all be all for x360 people.I guess no other game will ever be better then halo /s

[divideby0]

yep..same as with that POS MW...I was an idiot to buy that game this yea..

[xaviertooth]

nyahhhh! wtf, a new halo is getting compared to killzone 2 which is already one year old and still cannot beat it. what's next halo 4? splinter cell? alan wake? this game should instead be compared to resistance 1 and might be able to closely match the graphics. wtf!

[gdguide]

Reach looks great, but it's too clean, sparse, barren... You compare the atmosphere of Killzone 2 with layers upon layers of smoke, dust, wind.... It's like Halo Reach is Killzone 2 without any of the effects except gun flare turned on. What makes KZ2 so special technically is the layers upon layers of particle effects, smoke, lens flares, heat distortion. Halo Reach is missing that so far in spades, so it looks like a cutdown version of KZ + Gears 2 to me. It's a lot better than Halo 3 though.

[washingmachine]

uber lame to compare a newer game with one thats two yeras old haha.

the graphics of the new halo are wot should have been on halo3

[ironmonkey]

KILLZONE 2 IS YRS OLDER AND STILL PROVES TO BE LIGHT YRS AHEAD OF GRAPHICS FOR CONSOLES. PEOPLE CANT DENY IT HAS ONE OF THE BEST VISUALS EVER SEEN FOR FPS. JUST THE GUN INTERFACE ITSELF IS A WOW. IVE OWNED THAT GAME SINCE LAUNCH AND STILL AM AMAZED THAT CONSOLE FPS CANT TOUCH THIS GAMES VISUALS LET ALONE HALO REACH AND THATS A 2010 GAME. CALL IT PRE ALPHA OR WHATEVER, THE VISUALS OF 2010 SHOULD OF ALREADY SURPASSED KILLZONE 2'S VISUALS AND THE ANSWER IS IT HASNT IM SORRY.

[RagTagBnd445]

While you have a point, you lack the ability to share it in a intelligent way. In other words: Don't make an entire post in caps, it is just gonna give you a lot of negative feedback.

[BlackSharinganX]

you cant compare it with KZ2 really, it goes ina better fight with resistance 2 which is 2 years old lol

[XDF]

These comparisons are stupid. Yea yea KZ2 might look a little better but who gives a rat. PS3 fans are not interest in Halo anyways and vice versa.

X360 owners can have Halo Reach and PS3 owners can wait for their KZ3 to be announced at E3.

I have both and will get them all and play games for Fun not stare atr screenshots.

Why do PS3 fans always bring graphics to the fight? Why not include High-end PC games as well because we all know all of you have one.

[xaviertooth]

i think 360 owners should just upgrade to the next-gen gaming, the 360 is just competing to a 10-year old PS2 just a friendly suggestion. experience hd gaming only possible in ps3 nothing else.

[RagTagBnd445]

I'm sorry, but the PC are much more capable of HD than the PS 3 are at this moment. However that can also be seen in the difference of the price.

[Nelson M]

Halo Reach - For the Bucket i'm Gonna Puke

[dbieon12]

I'm sorry.

The only games I've seen with graphics comparing to Killzone so far are Crysis 2, Uncharted 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, and God of War 3.

If I were Bungie, I would stop 'bragging' about graphics for the time being until they create something worth bragging about.

Just looking at these screenshots (yes Alpha build) I see extremely flat textures on the ground, rocks and other environments. They don't pop, they are dull and look pretty bad actually.

Killzone 2 didn't have this because of the much better lighting system in place. Period.

.

And it's not only PS3 owners who bring graphics into the fight.

[RagTagBnd445]

You forgot the original Crysis, unless you were not counting PC games.

[xaviertooth]

if i were bungie i should just abandon the 360 they are being held-up by the 360 limitation how can they apply their creative freedom if the the 360 hardware is very very limited? look at naughty dog, guerilla, santa monica, insomniac, level 5, polyphony, from software, rocksteady, kojima they produced the best games this generation with the best visuals/sounds, best gameplay and the best form of gaming experience.

[RagTagBnd445]

The fact that you did not answer my last comment, really makes you a fanboy. Crytek are still better or at least on par, with all the developers you mentioned in form of graphics.

Now i may be sounding like a PC fanboy, but console are still limited to 720P. The PS3 are however capable of combining anti-aliasing with 720p, and therefore make games that look very good, even compared to PC.

However still a PC are capable of doing much higher resolutions and much more anti aliasing.
Naughty Dog showed the PC competition with uncharted 2 and guerrilla with Killzone 2, but only because no developer have really used the potential of a Pc since Crysis.

I do understand that a High end PC costs like hell, and that it is hard to maintain. But to not mention PC when talking about HD gaming, is just plain stupidity.

[Greek God]

why don't they wait till reach comes out and start then the pic comparison..?
Reach is in alpha build and besides that the other games is a ps3 exclusiv^^

[xryls]

sorry but that comparison is just stupid, only a blind fanboy will say halo look better.

[josh14399]

character models look better in halo while everything else looks better in killzone 2.

[xAlmostPro]

omg when i read the title i was like "noooo not another comparison where the ps3 'suffers'" then i looked and im actually shocked at how detailed and stunning KZ2 is.. i completely forgot how good it looked..

as for reach the characters and weapons have a really nice smoothness and detail but the levels dont seem that 'wow'.. they need to step it up for release because thats quite terrible that they are only just on par at a push with KZ2(worse imo, but i dont want to start a war here).. and the fact that KZ3 is announced at e3 and has a brand new engine which will obviouslt top the KZ2 one..

also comparison 3 is a halo reach artwork, not screen :P but hey..

my overall opinion is that halo has a few pettier colours, but kz2 is obviously a darker set game where as halo is outdoors in wild sort of areas..

but i was hoping bungie had stepped it up.. and so far, disapointing

[omegaheat]

I admit that KZ2 is a great looking game, but I have yet to see any high resolution images of the game. The game's been out for a long for a while now, but the most avoided topic about the game is it's very low resolution. What I saw was a finished game being compared to a game in alpha build. Reach's resolution is obviously higher. The second overlooked topic is KZ2's enviroments are closed. The battle fields aren't opened. The sun doesn't peirce the sky in KZ2. There's always fog everywhere hiding the draw distance to shadow rendering just as the N64 used fogged to hide these things. Colors are very limited in KZ2 as well. The game is not very easy on the eyes. Reach will also have four player online co-op and players will not be confined to fight near each other. And the last thing I will mention is that KZ2's models don't actually have textures. It looks more like smeared paint. What the devs have done with KZ2 is take the strengths of the PS3 console to make up for other things that the Xbox360 does better, which is obviously textures. If I read another post about how blu-ray storage makes graphics superior on the PS3, I'm going to puke. For those of you who actually believe that a storage medium that can only read memory enhances graphics, you are only running with false information. Educate yourselves a little before you start repeating something that started from someone who may have been less educated on the subject as you are (such as game journalist who start flame wars to get hits on their websites). And for you gamers here who care about bubbles, get a life.

[xAlmostPro]

the sun doesnt pierce the sky?.. well duh lol

and the lighting in killzone 2 is actually amazing.. you may want to look up the video comparison of gears 2 and kz2.. it really shows the lighting off in that

[Premonition]

I disagree with the storage not allowing more textures, first off textures take up space and that is what blu ray is used for space and since blu ray has more head room than DVD 9 it allows devs to add more texture if needed. Second you act like just cause Halo reach has co op and and all this stuff going on in the open world that PS3 cant come up with a game that can do the same or even better, this is why i feel KZ2 and Halo reach shouldnt even be compared because one is a closed based shooter and one is a sandbox. I can already see the excuses coming from a mile away as to why Halo reach wont look as good as KZ2 at the end which is "its an open world so the graphics would have to be stretched out to balance how many polygons can be placed on a certain obeject". Or "well Halo reach looks just as good as KZ2 and its a open world game". Now the problem with stating those statements so fast is that if and when PS3 does come out with a game such as a sandbox FPS with the graphics of killzone 2 or even better then what will the excuse be now? its taken almost 3 1/2 years to even come up with graphics this good, so before people start tooting their horn just look at how long it took to get where the xbox360 is graphically.

[PS360PCROCKS]

premonition I was going to agree but it didn't take 3 1/2 years. Bungie used the Halo 2 engine for Halo 3, it's why it looked the way it did. This is an all new engine, this could have been done 2 years ago if they decided to make a new engine than.

[Premonition]

when I said 3 1/2 years i meant graphic wise on any xbox360 games to date, i have no problems with halo, but when half the fanbase brags about graphics that were already done on PS3 and even at some point in time improved even further then it kinda ticks me off and this is why i had to post what i had post, I usually keep my postings to a minimum and browse the site for news and other events.

[PS360PCROCKS]

That's cool I agree with you. It's lame it took 3 1/2 years, I'm just saying it didn't have to if they would have done it right the first time around.

[blasian]

halo looks so blurry comapred to KZ2.. NEXT

[gdguide]

The rough part is GG is probably going to release footage some time this year to raise the bar a lot higher than their early 2009 game release. They're going to have had around 2 years to put a lot more polish into things.

Don't get me wrong. Reach looks so expansive. The AI will be great, and the gameplay will rock. But technically it's already looking pretty sparse and dated by not doing anything more than looking expansive and clean. The detail in the environments just isn't even close to games like Uncharted 2, Crysis 2 coming out, RAGE, or even KZ2. My guess is even Resistance 3 will give it a run for it's money technically. And that's with me considering Resistance 2 not being all that polished when it came out.

[divideby0]

reach is a must buy game for me...but even though the game is coming out a year later than KZ...it wont look or feel as good...not a doubt in my mind..

[chidori666]

this is a joke right?

killzone 2 have the best engine and phisics PERIOD!

halo reach looks the same of halo odst.

and LOL in halo fanboys talk shi* about * this is pre-alpha build* hahahhahah

mark my words the final build of reach not change much.. i promise this people ;)

[RagTagBnd445]

It is called physics :P And i hope you are talking only for consoles? I still think uncharted 2 are almost as good, killzone does however has a very unique and brilliant mood.

[chidori666]

poor halo reach looks the same of halo odst.

fact.

and mark my words the final build of reach NOT gonna change much.. i promise this people.

[ChickeyCantor]

Nah, you are just being a fanboy.

[divideby0]

reach will be better than that ripoff POS ODST... they will not release 2 trash Halo titles back to back...take that to the bank

[ChickeyCantor]

Its art-style vs art-style people.
Its hard to compare the visuals when the art-style hardly matches.

[Optical_Matrix]

There's too much bloom in reach. It's burning my eyes and it doesn't do the visuals justice. All honesty though, Killzone 2 still wins by a fair margin. Reach looks great, probably about Mass Effect 2 standard or slightly lower, but Killzone 2 looks a hell of a lot more realistic. Only place where reach wins in my opinion is the far superior color palette and better face models. Everywhere else it gets kicked around on the floor by KZ2. That said, Reach looks like it will be a treat. Will buy myself an Xbox when that and Fable III hit in Autumn :D

[devsgreat]

lol
halo>>>12 years old kid game
killzone>>>>matur e and real gamer

this is the graphics the have been talking about?...thats sad

[WMW]

lol look at all the 360 fanboys scramble to find excuses to defend reach.
1. reach has co-op-kz2 has 32 people online, no lag, large levels, and amazing graphics.

2. reach is a sandbox-no it just has open areas not only that but the biggest multiplayer map in kz2 is bigger than sand trap so with 32 people and a large map kz2 still looks good.

3.reach has color kz2 is grey-reach doesn't have much color it is mostly all diarrhea green also the colors don't affect graphics much.

4. it is pre alpha vs a finished game-360 fanboys started this that is why there are comparisons also kz2 in pre alpha looks better then reach in pre alpha http://ps3.kombo.com/images... not only that reach has been in development since they finished halo 3 that is almost 3 years ago.

5.they are using bullshots-like i posted earlier if they are bullshots explain this http://i34.tinypic.com/22hz...
reach toping kz2 is like trying to reach the moon in the reflection of a pond not possible.

[chidori666]

you speak the truth + bubbles...

[ForceCSW]

The final build of Reach may compare to Killzone visually but the great thing about Killzone was all the bells and whistles it had; such as the Helghast eyes or the blood splatter or the visible wounds on the bodies. Not saying Reach won't do this just from a technical standpoint it might be very hard even for the talented guys at Bungie.

[OlvaR]

ok,they just compared pre alpha shots to final kz2 and in one case they even compared a halo reach map concept art to a real kz2 multiplayer map....wow just wow...

[asdf12]

KZ2 looks better, by a long way.

But reach still looks nice.

[Figboy]

the Killzone 2 multi-player. KZ2 multi-player doesn't look as good as KZ2 single player, that's a known fact.

comparison 3 is also a shot from Killzone 2 multi-player. that's one of the multi-player maps, as that level in KZ2 only has one train on the track.

anyway, Halo: Reach looks really good, but it's hard to compare it to a game that released on the PS3 specifically for the reason to shut people the hell up about how the PS3 lacks a strong FPS, and isn't a "graphically impressive" console.

Guerrilla Games spent 4+ years making Killzone 2 the showpiece it is. how long has Bungie been working on Halo: Reach? i also don't think it's designed to be a showpiece for the 360, because the 360 never gets criticized for relying on Unreal Engine 3 to a fault, so the home grown Reach engine doesn't need to do nearly as much as the engines for Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3, before people are just lobbing praise at it.

seriously, PS3 exclusives have to go so far above and beyond the call of duty just to get a "meh" from people in the gaming industry.

there are no other games out there that i know of on consoles that use the techniques Guerrilla Games, Naughty Dog, and Santa Monica Studio have used to create the visual jaw-droppers like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3, respectively. but people still pretend that the games aren't incredible.

[GeoramA]

Halo Rehash doesn't even look better than Uncharted 1.

Some people need to face reality.

[PS360PCROCKS]

First off both games look MUCH better in motion. Halo Reach though is looking at having 50+ person battles throughout the game in very large open environments. With that said, KZ2 has better graphics, Halo Reach has better art style. I've played KZ2, I was wowed, but it was very bland and dark. The last level with fire everywhere though was amazingly graphically, I was simply blown away. Oh and shooting guys was hella fun, watching them stumble around. Either way both will look great on an HDTV.

[TrevorPhillips]

ok im just gona say that for ps3 fan boys dont get cut, from the srceens halo reach looks bit better, i own both systems and i have kz2 and its a good game, but halo reach is still pre alpha build so it should look more better when its 100% done, so hands down halo reach best shooter of 2010, and GOW3/HALO REACH TO BIGGEST GAMES THIS YEAR

[PS360PCROCKS]

I can't click agree because I don't totally agree with your post. But lol GOW III and Halo Reach yes most def biggest games this year. Followed by FF, SC:C, Alan Wake, Heavy Rain and so on.

[Metfanant]

Pre Alpha my rear end...like any of us even have a clue what that means...we were told the pre-thanksgiving shots were pre-alpha...we are supposed to believe that they are STILL in pre-alpha when they have stated development will end sometime around July for a fall release??? get out of here...

not to mention "pre-alpha" can mean anything, to any different developer...we have no idea what Bungie focuses on during the different stages of development...we have no idea what textures are final, or simply place holders...the game is going to improve...but its damn close to the trailer they released at the VGA's as it sits right now...and that is taken straight from the game's opening cinematic...the game will NOT reach that level of visuals in gameplay...so anyone expecting a massive jump is in for disappointment...

[tiamat5]

I'm sorry. Xbox360 owners boast so much I get confused . What is so great about Halo Reach being open world? Isn't it a shooter? I can understand games like GTA4 4 or Zelda being open world but why Halo? Is Master Chief going to go down to a lake and start fishing?Or go into a store and buy a pair of jeans? Or find a whack a mole mimi game hidden away? Or grab a Warthog and go find some hookers? I can see why some games would go for open world. Why is it that people change things for no reason at all? People complain that UC2 and GOW 3 are linear but if you stop and think about it you realize that if they were allowed to wander everywhere it would impede the game's action. Kratos is not Link. Neither is Drake. It is idiotic to have to wander around in a shooter wondering every second if the building or hole you pass has something you missed or stand there wondering if some unknown weapon exists on a hilltop somewhere, Save that for platformers and adventure games not shooters.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Halo isn't open world. Not sure where that comes from. They said it's a "sandbox shooter" just means it's not linear paths from one set piece to another, like say MW2. The scale of Halo has always been it's coolest asset.

[Metfanant]

Just wanted to throw out some tidbits here....

1.funny to hear the 360 fanboys screaming that you can't compare a finished game (Killzone 2) to a game in development (Halo:Reach)...yet they were probably the same 360 fanboys claiming Forza 3 to be superior to Gran Turismo 5 based on the comparisons between Forza (a finished game) and the GT5 Academy Time Trial (in development)...just saying...

2. That "environment" comparison is flawed...the image from Reach is a concept art...it is CLEARLY drawn and not rendered...how is that fair??

[Rybnik]

I agree, same time it still isn't fair. I don't think PS3 fans should support these kinds of comparisons any more than 360 fanboys. They aren't legit, especially the concept art versus actual game shot, lol.

[Metfanant]

im not supporting it...just pointing out a double standard...

[i3eyond the Circle]

This is great. The Ps3 fanboys have been trying to find something worth climbing from under there rock since the beginning of X10 too bad this is like everything else they speak about. Over exaggerated and thought through like pure idiots.

Killzone 2 is a corridor shooter with no splitscreen, small use of vehicles,

We're comparing a game that forces you to take the same path everytime to a sandbox game which allows you to take on different tasks and fight enemies from multiple directions WHILE playing with up to 4 friends.

IF Halo Reach was some linear shooter, that took no sort of tactics in empty dull weather effected blocky urban environments not ever having to render a tree or worry about making the world accesible for vehicles.....then we could have a comparison.

Bu..Bu..Bu..360 isn't suppose to get technologically better games...it's the impossible!!!

[Metfanant]

And according to members of the forums at beyond3d...Halo Reach will once again be rendered at a sub-HD resolution...

what did we say about technically better again??

[Rybnik]

I don't like taking sides in these things, but you shouldn't take the bait, Metfanant. He has no idea what he is typing. PS3 fans are "hiding under a rock, because of X10". This is the kind of fantasy that fanboys like to live in.

Anyone who wants to see what actually makes something technically impressive, IE pushes technical boundaries, should hang out at B3D, they are the only forum I know of that actually have standards required for discussion. Thus one can actually learn real and pertinent facts about this stuff. If everyone here (not going to happen, btw) were to educate themselves a bit there, most of the bullshit and misinformation that has been posted here over the last 3-4 years would be moot, and laughed at.

[Dacapn]

So true. I still don't fully get what X10 is. Some said it's a new 360 engine? Either way, after all you said man and after you strip away all the bells and whistles of your argument, KZ2 looks better than Halo Reach, even if you compare KZ2's pre alpha build to reach's. Plain and simple.

You don't even sound like your telling us why Halo looks better. You sound like your making excuses for why Reach looks worse than KZ2.

[d0g]

Listen to Hakoom at 3:00 .

[chidori666]

LMAFAO! this video is hilarius.. + bubbles

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

100 Platinum Trophies!!

Just WOW, is not like every day you can see that record.

''Power Rangers game'' xD.

[i3eyond the Circle]

"According to members of the forums at beyond3d"

Go home.

[Metfanant]

yeah you mean all the guys that have nothing better to do then count pixels?? yeah those guys with the list of the native resolutions of a ton of games...the same list that 360 fanboys love to use to point out that Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and MGS4 are not really running at 1080p?? lol...

you tell me to go home when their info doesn't support your beloved Halo...

Halo 3 was sub-HD, Halo 3:ODST was sub HD....Halo:Reach will be sub-HD...book it...

[Rybnik]

Ignore him, the fact that he tries to discredit B3D exposes his ignorance. It is well known that that forum is the online gold standard for technical knowledge in the relm of computer graphics. Many of the senior members and moderators there are professionals in the field. They are also by and large the closest thing possible to non-biased.

[Thoreau]

most of the guys that really know their tech, don't post that often and when they do, they defend the ps3. beyond3d are mostly directx lovers and most have not even taken one class on the cell structure. the real designers arent posting on beyond3d, they are actually creating games..

[Mamajuana]

The console wars will never end.

[alphakennybody]

as longs as there's at least two different consoles, an ending to the console war is as someone in here said "Is like trying to reach the moon from a pond" which is impossible .

[kevinx1000]

killzone 2 vs pre-alpha reach screens?
graphics are the only thing KZ did good.

[arakouftaian]

But it may reach
resistance 2
maybe not
we will see

even when crysis looks moré
clean
killzone 2 has beter visual effects
and way moré details
and much real and better gameplay
and much fun online
and deep history
and better comunity
and is like 4 times moré
cheap
and moré user friendly

[chidori666]

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http://media.psu.com/media/... ( in game pic wow..)

please bots not compare this magnificent engine of killzone 2 cuz in the end will be embarrassing for yours...;)

[RagTagBnd445]

I'm sorry, but Crysis's visual effects are unmatched, and the same goes for it's details. Killzone 2 does however have the upper hand in gameplay, multiplayer and online.

[arakouftaian]

Patetic
goplay killzone
or wach the slow motion vídeos on Youtube
so you can see he details andhiw beautifull killzone 2 is

yes crysis look clean but also plain and simple
and with a old gameplay like evry other shooter

physics on crysis aré patetic
what you can get a chiken and trow it away 1000 kms lol
or with one bulet you can take down a tree wow
amazing physics
they shoyld work for the NASA lol

killzone> any other shooter
in every category
killzone is like playing a movie
i cant say the same from crysis or others

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

I think Killzone 2 would have been an equally-worthy recipient. NOTHING on any console is its graphical equal and it feels almost like Halo fans are desperate to convince themselves otherwise when it comes to Reach.
Not only graphically, but its unique (and excellent ) controls, great SP cover system and an immersive atmosphere induced by its physics and particle effects make it THE fps of the current gen.
Only one Developer is going to improve on Kz2 - and they're busy readying Killzone 3.

[THC CELL]

Killzone winner

Halo is a cheap update

kilzone has more going on and better gfx

[BLADE_X8]

Can't really compare the tow games because Halo: Reach is for some reason hiding it's face. Could it because gamers will get the same old Halo stuff? Sure It looks good, but come on....only weak halo fans actually believes that this time is the charm.

I loved the 1st Halo (and 3 was pretty good), and would welcome a "Return to its roots" type of halo experience. Chance are, this will not happen...instead, Bungie will use more stuff stolen from other Sci-Fi shows. The opinions on Killzone 2 and it's campaign & multiplayer varies, BUT there honestly isn't a better looking FPS out right now. Battlefield: BC 2 is already killing what Halo: Reach has to offer. Halo will still sale, because there is the casual and known fanbase.

[Cock4Gamers]

isn't it obvious that screenshots for games with alot of post processing never look as good as the games do in motion. The Reach screenshots don't do the game justice at all. The vidoc gameplay looked WAY better. Also, KZ2 has absurd amounts of post processing so these screenshots don't do the game justice either.

[nemrawy]

Why do Xbots do this to themselves???? When are they going to realize that PS3 exclusives looks way better and holds the graphic title among consoles??? X360 is yet to surpass UC1 with games like (AW,SC,Reach) and thats a freakin 2007 Game and It's already 2010!!! they are trying to surpass a 3yrs old game!!! I'm sure they had psycological disorder after watching "God Of War 3" trailer "Though I'm not blaming them " , I mean they do realize that they are yet to surpass UC2 and KZ2 and they do realize that this will not happen in 2010 and then...they find that damn "God Of War 3" trailer pushing the gap even further and actually looks better than those titles and they tell them selves " Is the X360 ever gonna surpass the PS3 Technically..... " The answer is very simple NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! it's not gonna happen.

"Sorry guys but Truth is the Truth , and I had to say that"

[Pistolero]

Sorry...that's a lie...only ps3 fanboys believe that...the rest of the world knows that there are great looking games on both consoles...Gears of War 2, Halo Reach, Splinter Cell Conviction and Alan Wake all look amazingly good in their own ways and are as good as anything on the ps3.

[Fragger2k8]

Wow, it's really easy to spot the fanboys posting here. Just because you see Halo in the title you automatically have to come to these articles with all of your hate.

Grow up guys. Both consoles have their pros and cons, so stop trying to make it seem like the PS3 is better at everything. Sure, Reach may not end up looking as good as Killzone 2 for the most part, but there are reasons for that.

Reach:
- Larger environments
- More enemies on screen
- More things happening both on screen and off screen at once
- Huge draw distance
- Has to be able to handle everything going on with all 4 players in Co-op

Killzone 2:
- Corridor shooter
- Less enemies
- Uses layers of effects and lighting to hide what's really there
- Has fog to hide the shorter draw distance

Graphics comparisons are pretty stupid anyway, especially when they're doing a comparison like this. Pre-Alpha shots vs. a finished game, really? That totally makes a lot of sense...

It's really sad that everyone just judges things by their looks. People, games, movies, everything in general. Stop being so retarded and just play the games and enjoy your time spent with them.

With that said, Reach is looking pretty great to me. I can't wait to see some nice high quality in game videos. Better yet, I can't wait to get my hands on the beta.

[DJ]

And the only reason you're getting caught is because you have never, ever played through Killzone 2. There are a ton of enemies at once, with great AI and complex physics applied to every single one. The environments are expansive, and allow for multiple strategies to navigate through.

Oh, and don't forget the jaw-dropping graphics and innovative cover system that no other FPS has even attempted.

[yakuzakazuya]

You clearly never seen KZ2 with your own eyes! KZ2 has huge draw distances, if you ever played the desert multiplayer level you would know this.

[Thoreau]

why are so many people listing sh!t about reach when they have not played it. i play kz2, that is for REAL. halo reach has yet to grace my 360 so who knows how it will be...

[NateDPG]

Reach looks ok, but nothing special. KZ2 wins handsdown

[Leadweight]

I pray Dear Lord of the Game,
Let them not be blind,
Let these mortals enjoy,
the Gameplay that you've helped design,

Let not the graphics,
steal mortal soul,
Be there then when they stare in awe,
When Gameplay their minds control.

A million man hours of sweat and blood,
of art,characters and plot,
and I pray Dear Lord let them enjoy,
the Gameplay that you helped begot

Let it be so....

[Immortal321]

graphics and gameplay should be in unity and not of separate.
Let both be as one and not as couples.
Let both tell a wise tale and not of ignorance.
Let it be art and not of gimmick.

[Leadweight]

@immortal being

let it be so my brother in wisdom,let it be so..

[XDF]

Halo Reach will be the Biggest Game this year and will have a community and fan base that KZ can only dream about.

Last I checked, Super Mario Galaxy doesn't look as nice as Ratchet and Clank on PS3 but is the better game and Game of the Year in 2008.

PS3 fanboys with their "Graphics" card again. KZ2 might be a Royal Rush in terms of graphics, but it will always loose to 4 Aces and 4 player co-op capable game known as Halo reach. Nuff Said.

Does anyone still play KZ2 anymore?

[RagTagBnd445]

Yes it would be the biggest game, because a lot of small 10-12 year old kids are going to buy it. The same kids who made Modern Warfail 2 such a big success. Halo and Killzone are both great games, they both deserved to be played, and they are unique in their own way. It is such a shame that so many gamers have turned into haters.

[commodore64]

Yeah, so a finished game vs a alpha build?

hmmm.

Anyway, it's predictable to see the entire ps3fan userbase of n4g jump into this article with their predictable 'teh KZ2 teh wins'.

Oh gawd, gime a break.
Let's cut the fanboy crap for a second.

In quite a few of the screenshots i was surprised at the muddy, blurry tectures of KZ2. Witness, this shot of the helghan, where the main characters are adequately rendered, but the background can, at best be described as bland and drab: http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
This HAlo reach shot http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co... , show that the main characters are rendered with crisp, sharp, detail... something kz2 seems to often lack.

Further, in the reach screenshot, we may observe the hale-bay, in the background with furrows bumpmapped in lovely detail. This feature curiously seems to be missing from the kz2 shots shown.

I genuinely want to know how often the developers were forced to use poor background textures and lack of bumpmapping on kz2 backgrounds, to maintain the quality elsewhere. This kz2 trait of 'smoke and mirrors' has been observed a few times by other people too:
http://ps3thevolution.com/2...

What i am seeing in Halo reach overall so far, especially this screenshot http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co... is depth of field and a rich use of lighting - not at all washed out, or blurry, like this one in kz2 http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

Halo reach and KZ2 have different art styles - to be sure - but it seems Reach is aiming for 'crisp, detailed bumpmapped settings', while KZ2 went for a dark, grey, gritty-brown render.

Which ever you prefer is subjective, but I find it sad that people are jumping to conclusions based on what they 'think' they see.
Another instance of cognitive bias?

[DJ]

You get the same results. Killzone 2 wins by a landslide. In fact, PS3 exclusives in general win by a landslide. Don't worry, by the time Halo: Reach comes out you'll still pretend it looks better than Killzone 2. I guarantee it. =]

[commodore64]

I don't need to pretend.

You should try it too.

[Bibto]

"What i am seeing in Halo reach overall so far, especially this screenshot http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co... is depth of field and a rich use of lighting"

With your keen sense of observation did you also happen to notice that the picture is hand painted concept art?

[yakuzakazuya]

Halo Reach environments have static pre-baked lighting. No realtime lights on the environments whatsoever! Same thing with other high-profile Xbox 360 games like Gears of War 2 and Mass Effect 2.

The xbox360 cannot handle the quality of lighting in KZ2. Fact.

[Pistolero]

yakuzakazuya you don't know what you are talking about....Halo Reach has a fully dynamic lighting system that is based on HDR and deferred lighting techniques....it truly has some of the best lighting of any game on consoles.....if you read any of the interviews or watched the videodoc then you would know this....the particle system is also now super advanced...whereas Halo 3 could only handle hundreds of dynamically colliding physics based particles at a time, now Halo Reach can handle thousands at a time.

[Thoreau]

and stop posting your crybaby nonsense.........

[wwm0nkey]

This article and half of you idiots = FAIL!

1. They compared a concept pic to a in-game shot, The hell?
2. Killzone 2 is done where are Reach is in alpha stages
3. Killzone 2 is a linear shooter, and dont say other wise because you are an idiot if you think its sandbox style
4. The ammount of on screen action Reach has going for it surpasses KZ2.
5. KZ2 did use alot of "Smoke and Mirrors" techniques http://ps3thevolution.com/2...

Now listen I think Kill Zone 2 was a great game, I was turned off by the shooting and refused to play it till they fixed it, and when they did I honestly enjoyed it a lot, but some of you are just so desperate to say " Game A is better than Game B because its on our system" please just stop. The industry really does hate you all, sure you might THINK you are doing the developers a favor, but no you just piss them off. When I was at E3 I asked as many PS3 and 360 devlopers what they thought of fanboys, Naughty Dog REALLY hates them, they say it makes them sick when they see people talk bad about other developers (in this case it was Bungie) because they both do something different from each other and are both good in different respects. Same with all developers, hell most other developers where having fun playing others games, most of the time on the other console that they where not developing for.

Also too add on another thing about ND, when I was in line to play ODST at E3, a lot of their developers HATED the "Arc" but loved Natal (dont worry they arnt going to 360 though)

[DJ]

You posted a horrible blog post that actually shows how biased you really are. I know you have this big inferiority complex because of the 360's poor processing power, but come on. Game consoles are fun regardless of their tech specs. I still have plenty of fun with DS, PS2, and the occasional Wii game.

But you cannot deny that Killzone 2 is the best looking FPS on the market. And it's because of how well-built the PS3 is.

[wwm0nkey]

Oh wow you just so right, I mean I totally bought this PS3 because of how much I hate it, I also bought this PSP because of how much it sucks /sarcasm

Im so sorry you dont want to face the truth that who you support by bashing other games / systems hate what you are and wish there where no biased people. Im no fanboy im a gamer, I don't even need to own all major systems (even though I do) to not be a fanboy, if you can respect what each game, system, and service brings to the table then you are fine. Also if you knew ANYTHING about how the pipeline of games worked, you could respect each and every game.

Also i do think Killzone 2 looks great, buts that because of how the game itself is, not the system, its linear regardless. Also uses alot of neat tricks to make it look good in motion. Though you have to think about all the features Halo uses too which takes up room, there is saved films, forge, great custom game editor, ect

[Thoreau]

" The amount of on screen action Reach has going for it surpasses KZ2." typed monkey

you have not even played reach, so i call shenanigans on that statement. i doubt you have played killzone2-i have and it is sweet, sweet destruction. i am going to pick up reach when it comes out but you post is straight up cry baby denial.....

edit-screw forge....give me 16 on 16 battles.

[wwm0nkey]

@Thoreau

Did you see the vidoc? in an encounter (not just all over the map) you can have 4 Spartans, 8 marines, and 30 or more Covenant. Thats not dubbed down A.I either, not saying KZ2 had dubbed down A.I because it didnt.

[redsquad]

So now we know why Halo 3 looked so bad - They wanted Reach to look better by comparison.
And yep, KILLZONE 2 remains unsurpassed as far as FPS visuals go until KZ3 comes along.

[DJ]

And STILL looks better than any 360 title out there, including Halo: Reach.

[mac4u10]

That is not fair to compare Reach to Killzone 2 its like night and day at least compare it to Resistance 2.

[Immortal321]

Kz2 is more realistic.

if you wash away the make up you will really see what that person really looks like.

[NateDPG]

From the shots it looks like Reach will have less action and effects on screen and does any know how many players it will have online? I don't think they will pull of 32 players even with less effects and the worse graphics.

[Thoreau]

360 only owners complaining........

[commodore64]

I see about ten very frightened ps3 complainers for every one 360 complainer.

You know it's true.

[ILLINOIS]

LOL 360 losers! gaylo reach can't even best resistance 2 graphics. How sad. Wait till KZ 3 comes out. If I had a 360 I would use it as a portable toilet. gaylo is the most over hyped game series ever. It must hurt right now.

[Thoreau]

i own a 360 as well

xbl-heavens boxer

ive been playing me2 on hardcore......

[CWMR]

-Whether you own a 360 or not means nothing. You are a hardcore PS3 fanboy who always talks bad about the 360 and hypes the PS3.

You know what? I own a PS3 and a 360, but I don't deny that I am more of a fan of the 360. What I don't like about people like you is that you are extremely biased but you act like you are completely impartial.

Even though I prefer my 360 I will happily admit that Uncharted and Uncharted 2 are two of the best games I have ever played, and that God of War 3 looks great, and that Killzone 2 currently is the best looking shooter available. What really bothers me though (and makes me act a lot more fanboyish than I really am) is that so many of you PS3 fans will never give 360 games the credit they deserve. You always try to bring them down. And what's worse, you often do it in the most dishonest and unfair ways. Halo Reach looks amazing to me and either ps3 fanboys' eyes see things way different than mine do or they are just lying in order to put down yet another 360 game.-

[chidori666]

poor bots and your arguments of pre-alpha build of reach... :(

[artynerd]

Woooow! Is the guy who wrote this article completely BLIND? Take a look at Reach's "screenshot" in comparison #3 - it's freakin' CONCEPT ART!...

Gamingbolt should get a deaf person to compare the sound design for these 2 games next.

[ipe]

with 32 players,dozen of bots(lol)c4,and what not everything.

AND there is over 200k players every month online(including myself).

[Funky Town_TX]

4 player split, 4 player online from one console, 4 player co-op on one console. Oh yes, and fun and I will take Halo reach even looking like the beta shoots. Come this fall I will be playing Reach and so will about 10 million other gamers, and there is nothing KZ2 can do about it. BTW, KZ2 does look better even though it has no color.

[maniacf40]

Halo is trash!!!

[RagTagBnd445]

Fanboys like you are just so: ........

You know? A game can be something in BETWEEN thrash and best game ever. Even though it is not as revolutionary as some of the halo fans wants it to be, it is still a very very solid fps.

[sigfredod]

And still KZ2 is the best looking shoother out there for any console and only a few exceptions on pc, xbox360 still need to improve a lot if want halo to reach that guality

[negrito211]

using the (pre-alpha) excuse? its so old already,pre alpha can mean so many things.im a ps3 fanboy and KZ2 from pre alpha to final build wasnt that big of a huge leap in terms of graphics,.heach is pretty much done from here it seems like the game is done,all thats left is some textures and bugs etc.the beta also.i just dont understand why people hate so much on KZ2, i mean you guys act like halo reach is going to be the best looking game this gen.cause if not then what are you guys expecting it to look like? and ya you guys use the oh it has 40 enemy guys fights and sandbox game etc so the graphics suffer a little, SO THEN WHY DO ALL YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT MAG'S GRAPHICS THEN? and thats 256 players ,tanks etc huge maps etc.....? huh anwser that? i honest think MAG looks pretty good,can you imagine REACH WITH 256 PLAYERS HUH??????!!!!

[Jumper09]

uuf so many Killcrap 2 fanboys... KZ2 is overhyped.not more...the controls are soooo bad and lame

[negrito211]

that shows that xbox has no other good games.PS online numbers never get like that for one game cause me has to many other games to play.its hard deciding what game to play everytime we turn on our PS3.but you guys its either HALO, COD OR GeOW.disagree but you no as well as i do its true

[Fragger2k8]

What you're saying can work the other way around too. PS3 must not have any good games because all that people are playing is COD. Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, LBP, Resistance, and WarHawk don't have a huge following so those games automatically must suck.

360 has a lot of good games, and so does the PS3. Halo, COD, and Gears of War are great games, so they tend to draw in a lot of people. That's not to say that Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and LBP aren't great games either, it's just that they don't have the same kind of draw that something like Halo has.

Stop being a moron. Being a fanboy makes you a douche.

[Morgue]

Look at my comment history I called this yesterday.

" and that people will be comparing it to Killzone 2, which came out LAST year so that debate will be fail. "

Why not compare it too let's say.... Halo 3? Obviously it looks better than that one but no. There has too be this " my system is better than your's or this game has better graphics than that, our sales are better " argument is SO OLD on this site and actually shows the age of a majority of people that post and the stupidity of the " opinionated low end game site's that create these articles "

I'll stick to what I know and that's the 360 has some good games but I'd rather game on the Playstation3. It has nothing to do with preference because if I still owned a 360 I'd use it as well but I don't and I feel like I'm not missing out on much because of that.

[negrito211]

you guys dont like KZ2 controls because its real.there not arcade type controls like halo and COD.be a real man and play a game that takes real skills and not AUTO AIM

[Blow Out Your Brains]

LOL,HALO VS KILLZONE 2, WHAT A JOKE THAT IS. KILLZONE>HALO IN QUALITY, HALO>KILLZONE IN SALES. WII PLAY>HALO IN SALES. HALO IS NOT BETTER THAN KILLZONE 2 OR RESISTANCE 2 AND NEVER WILL BE. COMPLETELY GENERIC.

[subzero-08]

Gee, shocker.

[negrito211]

no matter what you try or say or do, there gonna defend halo and gonna think its the best looking game.ya i admmit for a halo game it looks good i understand why you guys are excited but accept it guys.i bet it somebody made a game but used actual real life photos and showed it to a xbox fanboy they would say reach looks better...so much denyl.wel at least we can all enjoy our beatiful ps3 exclusives while they try to think of more excuses that HALO will look better.

[Jumper09]

for the f!cking last time kz2 is overhyped! it looks not better than reach! kz2 is not a Sandbox game! kz2s MP sucks balls.
Really. Stop hyping KZ2. it cant compete with Bungie and Reach.
its a fact.. F!cking PS3 Only trolls.

[RagTagBnd445]

I found it funny that all the guys who says: 'this game' is better than 'that game'. Are also the ones who uses swearing, using terms such as gaylo, killflop and so on.

[swice]

You are no better than the PS3 fanboys you bash. Just listen to yourself. Grow up and be an honest gamer with respect for the artwork that all games are. You sound like an "xbot" or whatever the hell it's called these days. Man this is all so pointless..."My cokc is bigger than yours". Uh-huh. GROW THE FUKC UP

[NotSoSilentBob]

This comparison is as retarded as the Forza 3 Versus Gran Turismo 5: Prologue comparisons from last year.

Trying to compare a Finished Game verses a demo/still in Development Game is retarded and just made to get hits on a website.

[Noob]

But these screens do an OKAY job showing this. KZ2 looks much better in motion. Also, for the people complaining, weren't you the same people claiming it LOOKED better? Now it's "not fair," lol.

*My opinion*

I don't expect KZ2 graphics from this game. Even in the final build of Reach, I don't think it'll come close. It's like me expecting MAG to have KZ2 graphics.

[patb]

Probably the dumbest comparison I've ever read

[patb]

As far as I'm concerned Resistance 2 looks better than Reach no matter what anybody says.

[chazjamie]

i agree with the guy below me, its kind of pointless comparing graphics, since everyone cannot all look at one picture and say it looks better than that one. ofcourse we can do what digital foundary does and use a set of tools to evaluate it on a technical plain. i had my epiphany, and because of that i contradicted what i said before. i dont care about this slutty comparisons anymore.

[chazjamie]

resistance looks like crap. muddy textures, screen tearing. it could of been the best looking ps2 game.halo 3 looks is no looker. so why the hell do u people mention the ugliest games of the ps3 and 360?

[swice]

This is why the gaming industry has taken a sizable sh!t. I still don't see any valid reason in comparing an Xbox 360 exclusive (one that isn't even finished yet), to a PS3 exclusive. They are two different machines made by two COMPLETELY different companies with different goals and ideals! Why is this so hard to understand? This is where the console wars begin and where the fanboys have a field day.

I have said this many times and will continue to do so::
Console wars are so STUPID! They must END. Fanboys must DIE! All of them!

It makes us get bitter and angry at eachother over really immature points and shows your true age. This page is flooded with children that don't know what it is to be a gamer with chivalry. WEAK

Fukc off fanboys/bots/jaded authors/whatever the hell you are. You are ruining the fun with how blind you are. Compare 360 to 360 and PS3 to PS3. Please.

[KillerPwned]

Sadly your always gonna have fan boys and these console wars BS.

[swice]

But only because they keep finding fuel. Or I should say they keep RECEIVING fuel. N4G is a serious cesspool, most of the time

[KillerPwned]

Is anyone geting tired of halo? Honestly at all? Id like to see bungie make a new game for once. But Reach does look good, tho i think KZ 2 looks better so far.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Is anyone getting tired of KZ2? Honestly at all? I would like to see guerrilla games make a new game for once. But KZ2 does look good, though I think Reach looks better so far.

[Fragger2k8]

I'm not sick of Halo one bit. It's not like they're games that are in development for a year then rushed out onto shelves. There has only been 4 main Halo games since 2001, including Reach, with ODST being a smaller project for the fans. They're awesome games with great gameplay, and done by a talented kick ass developer who gives their all.

Bungie has been working on something new, they mentioned something about it at least a couple of times. No one knows what it is, but it is a new IP. Also, it seems that after this Bungie will not be making anymore Halo games, which is sad news for me.

@Koromaro

They're milking it, really? Have you ever heard of Guitar Hero, or Final Fantasy? Now those are franchises that are being milked, and like crazy.

@killer_pwned89 below

Thanks for the bubble, but it won't do me much good I'm afraid. I'm never an ass at all, yet I'm down to 3 bubbles now because of the fanboys on here, lol.

I do respect your opinion since you're not trying to be a fanboy or anything, and I can understand people getting a bit tired of something like Halo, but for me it's just something that I'm really into. Hopefully you find Reach to be a lot better than the past Halo games.

Bubbles to you since you bubbled me, w00t! lol.

[KillerPwned]

@Fragger2k8

Im not saying its a bad game at all i own a 360 along with halo 1 and 3 and i like them. Granted i like the first one more then any of them i just like to state my own personal thoughts because that`s how i feel about it. So then people gotta cry so much just because one person says o hey yeah i`m a little tired of it anyone else? No one can just respect a persons thoughts anymore on something and not keep there mouth shut about it. Congrats to bungie they made a killing off of halo and they deserve it. Same for any other developer that made a great game. Your not sick of it and i respect that 100% im not gonna bash you and i respect you because your not a smart a$$ you just being personal and saying hey im not tired of it at all. The halo games also arent rushed games like cod at all your right they take time and money. I cant wait to see what bungie has in store for us that is new i just wanted to state that i like to see something new.

Bubbles to you man

[swice]

Where have you been all of my life? I love you.

And to respond to your question with my own opinion: No. I am not sick of Halo. I honestly don't have a reason for still liking it other than I like it and have been following it since day one. Halo 1 blew my mind, and I totally loved Halo 2. 3 was a bit of a downer, but after reading more back-story such as the books and comics, and playing ODST, it does make more sense. Halo goes MUCH deeper than the games and that to me makes for a good show. I'm absolutely positive Reach will surprise the sh!t out of me as being such a fan, so....wooo :-D

I'm giving you both bubbles because like I said earlier, gaming chivalry is dying. This isn't a cry for bubbles for myself either (honestly I could care less about the damn bubbles, but it's obviously important to some) You must survive so you can be heard

[Koromaro]

@Fragger: GH Yes thats a big milk no lie
FF i dont know. Sometimes i see it as different RPG under the final fantasy name

[Commodore]

2 Things. 360 fanboys are so dumb and here's why.

They say we milked the Resistance franchise.
It has had 3 games, 2 PS3 games and a PSP Game.

HALO:
Halo 1
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo ODST (Biggest MILKING/ RIPOFF of a game ever?)
Halo Combat Evolved
Halo Wars
Halo Reach

....OWNED

Next case of why they are so stupid.
"Ehh we don't care about graphics, we care about gameplay"
....MAG comes out (which is awesome)
"Ehhh MAG looks so bad, look at the grapchics"

Which one is it morons....Can't have it both ways.

[redsquad]

You forgot the gazillion Masterchief figures & statues, comics, books and now cartoon movie. "Milk" indeed, and very sour milk to boot.

[MrMacabre]

Please go have a look at comparison 3 and click the "halo" picture for a close-up...

Did you look?

If you did you may have noticed that ITS A FECKING PAINTING!!!

Thats right, no doubt about it, its conceptual artwork. The writer of this article has failed to notice during their 'in-depth' comparison that he was comparing a screen shot to a bloody canvas. This means he/she is either not really paying much attention to the details, which makes this entire article mute, or did notice and chose to use it as a positive point for the xbox, in which case makes it biased.

Am I the only ones who noticed? seriously??

[lethaldoseap]

It doesnt matter if reachs graphics are no where near as good as killzone2. Guess what i am sure day one sells will do better than killzone2 done in a years time. Graphics are not everything.

[negrito211]

and so arent sells.who freakn cares about sells.you guys act like sells makes your game better. well sorry to break it to you they dont.they just make you $ 64.87 poorer and the companys CEO richer. thats a fact.

[we won]

Reach looks better even more so while the action is going on.
http://i45.tinypic.com/29vy...
PS3 fanoys will never admit the truth anyways so why does it matter?

[ironmonkey]

Killzone 2 is without a doubt the most amazing LOOKING first person.

[Blaine]

I looked at the first screenshot and Killzone was so much better that I just laughed.

[QQcrybaby]

ITT console gamers arguing about low res graphics.

[psiom]

What's Gaming Bolt playing at?

They are absolutely the worst captures of Killzone 2 I can imagine. I could take some grabs just out of the MULTIPLAYER levels that look infinitely better than those images. Let alone along the SP campaign there are some insanely great moments visually that would all be worthy of focusing on.

I've still never seen a FPS game that even touches KZ2 graphically. Especially when you see it in motion, the post processing and overall treatment is just awesome.

Anyway...I'm still hyped for Reach because I love Halo gameplay (in fact the two games are miles apart in gameplay), and graphically it's miles better than Halo 3. In fact some of those shots are really damn good too.

KZ2 is an excellent game, love it. Reach will almost definitely be excellent also (personal opinion). All good :)

[Sh0ckWav3]

i want to know you why ps fans make such a big deal about your 32 or your 256 players? do you actually think the 360 cant do it? here a reminders for you guys, on xbox 1 we had delta: black hawk down, witch it had 25 vs 25 on og xbox, now what makes you think 360 can't handle 256?

[RagTagBnd445]

The question is if anyone would make such a game for the 360. But yes, the online capabilities of the 360 and PS3 are almost equal, i can't say which one is best.

[spektical]

halo reach is actually looking decent , who knew?

anyways KZ2 is the winner obviously; however, we're comparing a year old game to a new game that hasnt come out yet... why are we comparing?

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Where were you when killzone 2 was compared to halo 3!?

[TehCell]

Halo looks better. KZ2 has too much of the next-gen filters.

[mp1289]

YAY!! Halo Reach doesn't look last gen.

[Sh0ckWav3]

The question is if anyone would make such a game for the 360. But yes, the online capabilities of the 360 and PS3 are almost equal, i can't say which one is best.

yes tobe your right, but here they mention it like it can't be done on the 360, btw i do agree k2 look way better, but in the halo univ is way better then k2, k2 is nothing but allies vs axes , the hellghast even look like germens

[JokesOnYou]

Comparison 1:

I agree KZ2 gun model looks better in this shot comparison but Reach's charachter models and background definitely looks better, both ground textures are bland:

http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

Comparison 2:

This one was showed the most dramatic difference in Reach's favor, so I can't understand why he called it a tie??? Note the all the detail in the Elites charachter armor with the hexagon shape nano-suit like pattern(on the legs) wow, and the KZ2 pic the charachter models dont hold up to Reach's even the "red menacing eyes" he pointed to don't stand out particularly.

http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

Comparison 3:

Since one is suppose to be artwork I'll just say there are current games with more impressive landscape views than KZ2 already, particularly AC2, he even said KZ2's landscape screenshots here looks low resolution.

Comparison 4:

Again the ground textures in both games look bland, (in these shots), he talks about better background for KZ2 but in this pic Reach's background is mostly just rocks taking up 90% of the screen, the 1st comparison shows a much better pic of how detailed Reach's background settings will be, KZ2's backgrounds don't show much, it just a dull grey background with dark platforms, nothing much to judge from this shot.

http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

-Reach although unfinished looks easily on par with KZ2, and just based on these screenshots alone it looks even better, especially the charachter models, I'm even more impressed by Halo Reach now after seeing this comparison thread. Those visuals along with a bigger scale enviroments than KZ2, damm Bungie has done a major overhaul and Reach so far looks like it will be the best FPS yet on either console.

-Reach is looking absolutely superb, seriously show these screens to some unbiased friends because I think sonyfanboys just don't want to admit how good Reach looks. I'll let some of my buds who are wondering if Bungie was going to make major improvements to Halo Reach's graphics(unlike ODST) to check out this comparison. Somehow I think Crysis 2 well set the bar even higher.

JOY

edit: vvvvvv agent_plang....yeah maybe you're right, sometimes it can just be the pic's a site chooses, not that they are intentionally trying to make one look better than the other its just that some ingame pics depending on whats happening in the game at that particular time don't look as impressive as others, but generally speaking since I own KZ2 myself the game basicly looks like that, better in motion, but thats most any game, so really the proofs in the pudding as they say, this site thought KZ2 looked better, I disagree but either way both games look amazing.

[psiom]

All I'll is:
Look for some better HD screens of KZ2 around the internet, because GB's choices are really awful.

Reach does look awesome though yes.

[TheLastLevel]

Killzone 2 is technically far superior. Start looking past the 3:50 mark and listen to what the guy is talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Just look how the dust cloud interacts with the ship. That stuff is REAL TIME. Every bullet is RAY-TRACED for crying out loud. Killzone 2 = Freakin' insane. And I'm playing that. ;)

[True_Religion]

the most hyped game ever which cost 60 Million USD sold only 2 Million copies after 12 months.

KZ2?? It only flops hard!

[Mr Remz]

If i put doodoo in a box and write HALO on it with a green marker, millions of morons like yourself will buy it!!!

[Jumper09]

kz2 is not better

[gillri]

Killzone looks a little better but halo Reach will be a far better game in all honesty

Kilzone 2 was great but halo Reach is sandbox for crying out loud, and isnt grey

[XDF]

This post will explode into a record 600 posts within a few short hours.

KZ wins in graphics, PS3 Fans win this one.

Halo Reach wins in Fun, Multiplayer, CoOp, Open Sandbox environment, better online community, Better and more enemies type, 20 vehicles and 40 AIs onscreen at once, and will set sale record.

Can we move on.

[KillerPwned]

Lol very funny i am also expecting it to explode in comments really soon and set a record.

[keltickennedy]

Umm.... I wondering if they know that the shot in comparison 3 of Halo: Reach is actually level concept art? Good comparison....Looks like they already have their "Halo rules all" blinders on.

[themafia]

KILLZONE 2 LOOKS MUCH MUCH BETTER

[Xi]

http://img202.imageshack.us...
http://img99.imageshack.us/...

compared to stuff like this

http://www.psu.com/media/ki...
http://www.psu.com/media/ki...
http://www.psu.com/media/ki...
http://www.psu.com/viewimag...

anyone can make a bad/dumb comparison. Not to mention you're comparing a linear corridor shooter with a sandbox shooter, a game that will feature 4 player co-op, theater and movie recording and upto 40 ai and 20 vehicles on the screen at once. What's next we compare halo wars to uncharted 2?

[JohnTheBaptist]

Halo Reach will be far superior to KZ2, simply due to the fact that KZ2 was a complete turd. The opinions of the SonyFlopfans carry little weight when it is the only fps on the ps3 they can talk about because it's the only fps on their system that is slightly above average.

Excluding the multiplat fps's that are also superior to KZ2, which includes MW2.

[Commodore]

John, can you quit letting your blatant fanboyism obstruct your vision.

I hate people who argue over something that is so clear it's ridiculous. Oh and MW2 sucks. If you like it you must be a noob because those are the only people who play it.

Move on to a game that takes skill...Like MAG. My roommate (a 360 fanboy) went out and bought a PS3 just for MAG.

[artsaber]

Guerilla Games bested the entire Halo franchise in quality by their 2nd installment of Killzone, and their very 1st PS3 release. Halo Reach will be the 6th game, and so far, it will seem to be subpar Killzone2 quality. Now I just imagine what Killzone6 would look like at this rate.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

no.

[Walrus]

of course we do. MLGHALO doesn't think it's funny because he's jealous

[jalen247]

Killzone 2 is a very stunning game.

Halo Reach is not yet done so who knows how well the finished product will look like. I am hoping that Halo Reach turns out to be a visual stunner when it is released because I love graphics and there is no hate in my blood.

But if you asked me which looks better at this stage of Halo Reach's development, I would say Killzone 2 looks better based off what I have played of Killzone 2 and what I have seen of Halo Reach from videos and screen shots.

But is it really fair to compare a finished game that is 1 year old to a game that is still in development?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Here we go again. Trying to compare Killzone 2 to Halo. Please. Didn't you kids learn the first time?? We did the Halo 3 vs. Killzone 2 comparison and in over all, Halo 3 crushes Killzone 2.

HALO3: 94%
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Killzone 2: 91%
Resistance: 86%
Resistance 2: 87%
MAG: 76%
SOCOM: 63%
Haze: 55%

And now you guys are trying to save face again comparing Alpha shots??? Pathetic. Well you guys are just setting yourself up for failure again. Halo Reach, just like Halo 3, will destroy any FPS on the ps3. The tech behind Halo Reach is way beyond what Killzone 2 can do.

[Surt]

To think that halo 2, 3 looks better then kz2. I like halo 3. Still play it. did it sell more? yes. IS IT BETTER LOOKING THEN KZ2? NO. Reach is going to sell. Thats a give in. Is it going to look better? NO. thats another give in. Don't hold on to one system or game that close to you that it will make you blind as to the obvious. Its not good for you. BTW I still play KZ2, also. Btw smackdown vs raw is better on 360. and MAG is better then Mw2. My opinions of course.

[bunfighterii]

MLG Pro, you've made a massive tech noob fail.

Fanboy goggles prompt stupid remarks.

[gtamike123]

Keep up microsoft, the PS3 is the only next gen console.

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[JohnTheBaptist]

Are those images kept in the same folder as your porn?

[gtamike123]

Don't Cry Xbot, im sure your mum will buy you a PS3 one day :)

[THC CELL]

gtamike123
every picture u posted makes halo reach that little bit crapper lol
its like going back to Nintendo wii again

Hm my xbox cant even get halo reach as good as uncharted 1
or metal gear or r2 or killzone
not even alan wake can be as good looking as uncharted 1
LOL

[ddounis]

both games are and look great!i can't tell which one is better because they're just different!different story,different landscapes,different everything! i own a 360.but i've played kz2 and uc1 and i was blown away by the grafics!gameplay is what makes a game good but grafics is very very important to me! i want to get a ps3 also, so as to enjoy all the great games it has as well.i chose 360 because it was cheaper and because almost all multiplatform games look better on the 360! as far as which console is better or more powerful just answer me this question!how come every time that a game is coming out on both and is usually looking better on the 360,even just a little bit,it's the developer's fault and when a ps3 exclusive looks really really awesome it's because the ps3 is so much powerful?why is that? i like both systems and soon i'll have both!but if you ask me,if kz2,uc2,came to the 360 they'd look the same.if not better.who knows!and the same goes for halo coming to ps3.they'd almost identical.that's just my opinion of course.

[Connoro]

Seriously? This article is bullshit. I'd say that Halo Reach wins in comparisons 2 and 3, and the screenshots used in comparisons 1 and 4 are leaked, and therefore not representative of final game graphics. If you're going to make comparisons like this, wait at least until we see some proper publicity material or gameplay.

Ridiculous.

[dkgshiz]

Pretty obvious.

[JohnTheBaptist]

Only if you're Stevie Wonder, a ps3 owning Stevie Wonder.

Otherwise, you have the use of your eyes and can see Halo Reach beats KZ2 in visuals, and it will beat it in gameplay as well.

[Manberg900]

Halo Reach is nowhere near Killzone 2 in as far as graphics and it wont be by release. I don't know why they are even comparing them. It's absolutely absurd.

[dkgshiz]

I mean unless it had an epic story then I could see why they should continue. To me, the Halo series is getting milked. Not much has changed with Halo since the 1st one came out way back in 2001. I think Bungie needs to start making a new series.

[horndog]

Trying to defend their orangy-brown looking turd called kz2. It really doesnt matter if kz2 looks better when nobody plays this epic flop.

[gtamike123]

Don't cry :)
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[coola426]

Halo: reach will be a brand new game by then and killzone 2 will be nearly 2 years old. so if the graphics are better then w/e, but it took this long for the 360 to be used to its potential? while the ps3 has been improving graphics ever since uncharted 1 (and you can even say lair!). by the time kz3 comes out, that will be the new graphics king in terms of fps graphics.

[dolphinn64]

Screw this article. Of course Killzone 2 looks better, but you cant do sh*t in it compared to Halo. The height of Killzone 2 is weaving around a bunch of narrow corridors or hopping over barriers and moving around what feels like an obstacle course of pretty bland and repetitive missions. Bungie has way more to give in terms of Gameplay including land and air vehicles, a far more expanded world with bigger battlefields, not to mention co-op and a superior storyline( See Halo 3, I still cant figure out what the hell was going on in K2), all offering a far more entertaining experience. Reach will no doubt expand on the previous games even further. Everyone seems to want "ultra realism" since games like Modern Warfare came on the scene, but as the saying goes "It's called Gameplay for a reason, not Graphicsplay". So in short, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo Reach definetly, but will it play better? Hell no

[Ve3tro]

And it was only a few years back PS3 fans were saying graphics aren't everything.

*waits for disagrees*

I can't believe how obsessed people have become with gaming..

[RetroPietro]

Killzone raped it xD

[Obama]

wow we have already moved on to UC2 and GOW3 for best graphics and killzone 2 still won against halo reach.

[MajesticBeast]

Resistance 2 vs Halo:reach would give reach a better shot cause killzone 2 just took this by a mile doesnt matter how many times 360 fanboys cry foul here its just the truth. The alpha build of killzone 2 already looked better.

[clarkdef]

Too much bloom lighting in Halo its a messy glow

[Henry Cain]

Well i must say that Reach looks really good, but KZ2 still looks better. Not only that KZ2 is the second game from Guerrilla and first game on PS3. While Halo Reach is the 3rd game on the 360. In my opinion Guerrilla knows how to get the best out of the PS3, which is why KZ2 looks so amazing. Just imagine how KZ3 will look, Guerrilla already has the engine for KZ2 created. Now they can spend more time on adding new features to an already excellent game.

[TrevorPhillips]

look everyone sayin ohh ps3 games will run 1080p thats bull, killzone 2, mgs4, uncharted , heavy rain none of those run 1080p, atleast 360 is still pushing more graphics they say ps3 is the future of graphics well to tell u the truth i havent seen realy good gfx besides playing uncharted 2, heavy rain demo was pretty good thats cause theirs hardly any action goin on on ur screen, and ive seen gow3 thats the only top ps3 game thats showing wat ps3 can do

[KillerPwned]

This one runs in 1080p, calm down just proving a point lol. I own a 360 to and love it as much as my ps3. I respect your opinion tho.

[Cure]

and it seems people havent gotten any smarter lol

halo: reach vs KZ2?? are you people for real??

[ARMY_HAWK]

Lmao Killzone 2 destroys Halo Reach

[ChineseDemocracy]

In my eyes, it should be:

Killzone 2 vs. Halo 3
Killzone 3 vs. Halo Reach

btw, kz2 clearly looks better at the moment, i don't understand how you can compare a game barely in the beta phase to a game that has already been released for almost a year.

[Metfanant]

@ Halo3 MLG Pro: you have no idea what you're talking about as for the technical aspects of the games...Halo 3 compared to KZ2?? visually!!??....Halo 3 is not even high definition...has ZERO antt-aliasing...has HORRID animations and decent textures and modeling...its only strength is its lighting...which Killzone 2 still beats...

@Xi: are you really gonna use pre-launch MULTIPLAYER KZ shots? lol...come on...

@ Agent-X: haha...yeah Killzone and MGS don't run in 1080p...you're right...but guess what??....Halo 3 and ODST do not even run in 720p!!

what do you mean the 360 is "pushing more graphics?" lol...that doesn't even make sense...the PS3 has probably the top 3 games from a visual standpoint on the market...easily...UC2, KZ2, and MGS4...

[Pistolero]

MGS4 doesn't look that great by today's standards....Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2 and Assassin's Creed all look better than it....MGS4 is one of the most overhyped games as far as graphics. Halo Reach and Alan Wake look at least as good as Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

[gtamike123]

mgs4 still looks great and looks like CGI, but all rendered in real time within the engine.

[bunfighterii]

Halo characters in all the games kinda look like toys. The art style is really, I dunno, plasticy?

[Lets-Game]

are ppl stupid or just dont understand how hardware works? the graphic card that is inside xbox360 will NEVER produce impressive graphics just because its OLD. MS just had nothing else to hype the game with, only brainwashing clueless people that the graphics will be amazing. When its just not possible.

[eyeDEVOUR]

man i have to disagree with your complete statement .'shadow of the colossus' kills your theory. It is a 5 year old ps2 game (which still looks amazing) and it has a massive landscape and moving architecture done with amazing atmosphere all while streaming in realtime without loading screens.........but i will say what makes kz2 so amazing visually is the way the atmosphere allows it to have some low resolution textures without it really being noticed......psn id: im-POGO (sver)

[justlikeme]

Hey JOY, those images you posted would the resolution have anything to do with it? B/c the KZ2 resolutions are @ 1280X639 where as Halo Reach are at 1920X959. So does this mean Halo Reach will run at 1920X959??

[N4BmpS]

Umm well yeah I actually like this article, I think he called it down the middle. I was happy with the visuals in KZ2 especially since I'm an artist myself, however just because the game was beautiful doesn't mean that it lacked in gameplay, quite the opposite to me it was very challenging, especially the boss battles, you can lie and say it wasn't but I really don't care you're still talking about it aren't you?

[DigitalAnalog]

Killzone 3 will be more graphically, more technically superior to Killzone 2........... That's a good statement.

-Yes, a good statement

[n4gno]

Killzone is the fps graphic king on ps3 (mag, battlefield, bioshock, can't compete), so obviously, impossible to compare with a xbox, inferior hardware, game.

[SephireX]

Halo Reach can't match Killzone 2 in graphics on the 360. The 360's hardware isn't going to magically improve by the time Reach is out. If Bungie want to beat K2, they need to improve and innovate; gameplay, competitive multi-player, level design, co-op play and a.i. Quite simply, they need to make the game more fun to play than K2. They have done great work considering the 360's hardware limitations but how could they possibly make a game on par with K2 without a processor like the cell and a 25gb blu-ray disc? Not going to happen. I still think it will be a great game though and gameplay is the most important thing imo. That said, K2's graphics takes my breath away every time I play it.

[IHateYouFanboys]

sigh

the cell isnt some magical processor with infinite power. IBM made both the cpus for the PS3 and the 360 and even they admit that theyre both basically on equal footing.

blu-ray means nothing for video games unless you just load the game up with FMV, Final Fantasy style. some of the best looking and biggest games barely even take up half a regular DVD.

the 360 has a better GPU. this fact alone pretty much makes any arguments the PS3 fanboys have about the 360 being 'inferior hardware' pointless.

[edwineverready]

So you hate yourself?

[IHateYouFanboys]

Nope, ive got both consoles and appreciate both for what they are and what they can do.

[bunfighterii]

This is a crappy comparison anyway, using bad shots from each game.

[Legendary-Status]

lol while Reach is trying to Reach and almost 2 yr old game.(killzone2) and never will....by the time it drop's... I be Gearing up getting ready for KILLZONE 3.. while Reach still drag's behind KILLZONE 2 umm that's kind of sad coming from microsoft...

[OhMyGandhi]

the "enviroment" shot they used for halo: reach isn't a screenshot.
it's concept art.

[John HX]

I came here to say this...
Also, should that guy really be doing articles on graphics comparisons when he can't discern concept art from in-engine shots? And wouldn't it be more relevant to use screencaps from the new ViDoc and not pre-thanksgiving Reach material?

That said, the article is pointless fishing for website hits anyway. They both look good, and because of differences in game mechanics and direction, comparisons are largely irrelevant.

[Legendary-Status]

that's sad, unless a mistake?

[yakuzakazuya]

Unless Bungie is gonna magically turn those lifeless pre-baked lighting environments into full realtime lighting then no, Halo Reach is not gonna look better than KZ2.

[IHateYouFanboys]

Halo Reach has real-time lighting, same sort as Killzone 2 and most other games these days. you know, just like how there already was dynamic lighting in Halo 3 lol.

you guys do realise that Killzone 2 wasnt the first game to do dynamic lighting, dont you? doesnt look like you do.

[yakuzakazuya]

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Does Halo 3 or Halo Reach environments cast real-time shadows? No. Those shadows are pre-baked, hence 'not real-time'. The only real-time shadows are from the character models. That's why the environments look lifeless. Same thing with Gears of War 2 and Mass Effect 2.

[IHateYouFanboys]

its clearly you who has no idea buddy.

go here: http://www.bungie.net/Insid...

and download the 'Lighting and Material of HALO 3' package and have a read of all the technology behind Halo 3s lighting. it clearly proves you wrong.

[yakuzakazuya]

Are you trying to be dense or something? Please go back and play HALO 3 and then tell me, do the environments CAST REALTIME SHADOWS OR NOT?

I don't care what Bungie PR says to fool Halo fanboys, in the copy of Halo 3 that I play on my 360, the environments do not cast real-time shadows. Fact.

This is what Halo 3 pre-baked shadows look like:

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

See those shadows cast by the trees? Those are pre-baked.

If you cannot tell the difference between real-time shadows and pre-baked shadows, then compare the environment shadows of Halo 3 and GTAIV. One is pre-baked, the other fully real-time.

Many so-called 360 graphics powerhouses actually use pre-baked shadows, including Mass Effect 2. Pre-baked shadows are not too taxing on the 360 hardware.

This is my final post for this thread, I hope you will be honest with yourself. Thank you.

PS: why do people disagree with facts? I am not giving you my opinion, it is a FACT that HALO 3 environments do not cast real-time shadows. Jeesh!

[Pistolero]

yakuzakazuya, that is simply not true....Halo 3 had some pre-baked shadows and some real-time shadows....and you do realize that a lot of Killzone 2's shadows were pre-baked shadows too, don't you?...it's been discussed many times on beyond3d and this CGI artist points it out too http://ps3thevolution.com/2... beyond that Halo Reach is using even more advanced lighting techniques....if you have read any of the interviews they talk about how they are now using deferred lighting that allows them to have "nearly infinite" numbers of real-time light sources....combine that with the superb high dynamic range lighting already found in Halo 3 and you end up with some of the most advanced lighting in any console game.

[nOvashin]

I hope everyone understands that bungie and Guerrilla Games are NOT in direct competition. both games are awesome get off the forum and actually play some games for once.

[Ravenger]

Is this a joke

[strickers]

Killzone is clearly better looking but Halo reach is easily the best looking Halo.I would question how much the more realistic,superior art design is making the difference over technical improvements.

I'd like to point out to people who haven't played Killzone that it is not a corridor shooter.It has large levels with open areas and a huge draw distance.Don't make statements like that if you have no knowledge of the game.

[Chapulin]

FTW!!!!

[fatstarr]

Dam i saw this article 13 hours ago and i just knew it would be a bang.

No comment on anything i dont wanna get drawn in on the debate. *sits back and observes.

[sasanjfr]

So this is going to be 360's best graphics?!
long way to catch Killzone 2(forget Uncharted 2.It seems mission impossible for bungie to surpass Naughty Dog's masterpiece)
also a little cartoon like

[Pistolero]

Ps3 fanboys are so funny....they just deny reality even when it is staring them in the face....Halo Reach and Alan Wake look amazing and stand up to the PS3's best games quite easily.

[Karooo]

the fact that you have to hide behind unreleased games like halo reach and alanwake after 360 has been 4 years in the market shows what a failure of a console 360 is.

[Gobuz]

damn I thought HR looked good, but when you see KZ2 & HR side by side KZ2 is definitely the winner. God knows what KZ3 is going to look against HR.

[-DeathWraith-]

Enough said.

Even then, I can bet you right now when Halo: Reach is released. It won't entirely match either Killzone 2, God Of War III or Uncharted 2. These, just like every other image released early for a game, will be BULL SHOT's!!!

[AngryTypingGuy]

Why is this soldier in Killzone 2 walking on air? Does he have magical powers or something?

[THC CELL]

bungie skip been a micro slave and build a new halo on ps3

halo with uncharted 1 gfx will be a step up lol
then again halo is boring now so noooo dont bother

killzone is still the best shooter and mag is amazing

unless bungie u see sony can make u have 256 players online
xbox pff 16? wow not really a war is it
more like a dance in a playground

[kingslayer1000]

killzone 2 is way better looking

[Colonel-Killzone]

Sigh this comparison is stupid smh.

[Osmondo]

Everybody who has played KZ2 knows that those still pictures mean nothing. Those doesnt make any justice to the game, which has phenomenal light and physics engine. No other game has come even close to KZ2 feeling of being there. The stuff going on at the same time, lights from explosions and other sources, wind and explosions carrying smoke and ash, bullets flying all around, grenades tearing a part buildings and limbs, fire burning clothes and flags. Some times you have to take deep breath or pause to gathered yourself together to move on. And not to forget the best audio ever created that comes from 7+1 speakers and the numerous grafic filters.

[That_Genius]

I haven't fully finished Halo 3 or ODST yet but wtf are those wolf like looking things. Are they in either of them or are they new?

[Thoreau]

i am a hardcore ps3 fanboy, but i also spend money on the 360....

"Whether you own a 360 or not means nothing. You are a hardcore PS3 fanboy who always talks bad about the 360 and hypes the PS3 cwmr".

pull up the post that i have that truly dumps negative on the 360. i have posted again and again the things i don't like....dlc, paying for p2p servers, multi-disking. all things the 360 has. the xbox was great and i loved it. the 360...not so much

go ahead. knock me...

the fact that i own the 360 and i play it does not mean i should be nice. half of you nerds act like you are pious saints.....

the fact of the matter is most of you don't like what i type, but the truth is dlc, paying for p2p, multidisking, ue3 versions.........

[Treyb3yond]

Direct comparisons....

[horndog]

"the fact that you have to hide behind unreleased games like halo reach and alanwake after 360 has been 4 years in the market shows what a failure of a console 360 is."

Actually the fact that Sony is dead last this gen and hasn't made a profit since it's debut and is struggling to make second place this gen just tells you what a huge FAILURE the ps3 is. Now that's EPIC FAIL at it's best. Oh how the mighty fall hard.

[KilL7roCitY]

but HALO REACH will be better !

[DigitalAnalog]

EDGE, Eurogamer, GT, Destructoid, IGN and Gamespot will all agree with you.

-End statement

[Jumper09]

for the f!cking last time...kz2 is not better or looking better.
F!cking PS trolls on this site

[kingjoker34]

KillZone2:
http://gtamike.tsgk.com/PS3...

Reach:
http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co...

listen its ok that xbox can not match the ps3 in groahics, there is always xbox 720

[MyWordIsGospel]

IHateYouFanboys - 11 hours ago
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the cell isnt some magical processor with infinite power. IBM made both the cpus for the PS3 and the 360 and even they admit that theyre both basically on equal footing.

blu-ray means nothing for video games unless you just load the game up with FMV, Final Fantasy style. some of the best looking and biggest games barely even take up half a regular DVD.

the 360 has a better GPU. this fact alone pretty much makes any arguments the PS3 fanboys have about the 360 being 'inferior hardware' pointless.

............................. ......................

On the contrary if you look at the overall performance of a ps3 compared to 360 than the overall performance output stands like this.

360 - 1 terraflop

ps3 - 2 terraflops

Now i'm not a mathematical genius but from these figures, which are widly published online and also in the GAMER BOOK OF RECORDS that would mean the ps3 has the potential to perform and run games at nnearly twice that of the 360. Which if you are completely honest we are seeing for our very eyes with recent Sony exclusives, which even the dev's say will not RUN ON 360 due to inferior processing power and overall hardware to run HI-DEF blu ray games.
It is so refreshing to see the tide turn after years of flamebating on n4g, with people claiming the ps3 will die, go the same way of dreamcast and poor exclusives, now it is truly egg on your face time and so many 360 posters live in denial refuting zany claims that is made back at 360 and its poor selection of yet again GENERIC SCI FI titles, HALO looks poor, plays poor, no innovation, master chief is a lame character (hardly snake), poor online, terrible cartoon plastic graphics and yet again another sequel to a tired over used franchise. Im currently playing MAG which is so refreshing as an fps fan I just cant get enough...Enjoy gears of lag and MW2 with your 8 & 24 player battles while im indulging in 256 player FPS heaven!

[IHateYouFanboys]

the ONLY developers youll see saying things like 'this game can only run on the PS3' are developers owned by Sony. it means nothing. its just PR speak from Sony desperately trying to convince everyone that theyre still the kings, when clearly theyre not.

where are you getting your overall processing figures from? i know that sony include the PPUs 'performance' in their released figures, even though all the PPU does is tell the SPUs what to do, rendering any processing power it has useless in terms of videogame development. they also count all the THEORETICAL processing power from each of the 7 SPUs, even though one of them is 100% unavailable to developers as its reserved for the Operating System. again, sony fudging the numbers to make you believe the PS3 is more powerful than it is.

youre also forgetting the most basic of facts that we know about both consoles. let me remind you:

RAM:
PS3 - 256MB for the GPU, 256MB for the CPU
360 - 512MB shared by GPU and CPU, 10MB eDRAM for anti-aliasing etc.
Winner? 360.

CPU:
PS3 - 6 available hardware threads (1 per SPU), 3.2ghz each
360 - 6 available hardware threads (3 dual threaded cores), 3.2ghz each
Winner? Tie. According to the people who made both (IBM), theyre both virtually identical performance wise overall. The 360s CPU makes it a lot easier to use all the available power though.

GPU:
PS3 - basically took an off the shelf outdated PC GPU after their original plan of having 2 Cell chips (1 for GPU, 1 for CPU) failed.
360 - purpose built GPU made for the 360, a lot more powerful than the PS3s (and this is easily proven, simply look at the specs. GPUs are much easier to compare than CPUs).
Winner? 360 by a landslide.

Those 3 bits of the hardware are the most important and telling of how capable the consoles are. so why do you think that the PS3 is capable of twice as much processing as the 360, when all the actual evidence clearly says it isnt?

[lawrence360x]

Fallout New Vegas will murder all games in 2010

[-Gespenst-]

But the final product of Reach can't look as good as Killzone 2. Maybe it'll be an enjoyable game, but graphically it's never going to challenge Kz2.

[gtamike123]

Images 1) http://tinyurl.com/ykpfeec 2) http://tinyurl.com/ylpbgha 3) http://tinyurl.com/yh5nelk 4) http://tinyurl.com/yzlb8y9 5) http://tinyurl.com/yjrxqxs 6) http://tinyurl.com/ylcong4 7) http://tinyurl.com/yzuo8kw 8) http://tinyurl.com/yl6tddz 9) http://tinyurl.com/yg8hocn 10) http://tinyurl.com/yg76w25 11) http://tinyurl.com/yj9dkdq 12) http://tinyurl.com/yzlqd9d 13) http://tinyurl.com/yhcqegf 14) http://tinyurl.com/ykn77sf 15) http://tinyurl.com/ykozx6x

[Morituri]

Damn...

[Dance]

How about some actual ingame pictures next time

[Captain Hotpot]

I love how the Majority of those Pictures were all from Cinematics, ah you PS3 Fanboys make me laugh...

[bigjclassic]

When has a pre-alpha build dramatically improved in graphics compared to the final product?

Honestly?
I thought devs just optimize it until it can run smoothly on the console?

[OhMyGandhi]

for me, I don't consider these games at all a fair comparison.
Killzone looks REALISTIC.
Halo is more cartoony (not a bad thing) and looks more like the old batman movies where Gotham City is simply a plethora of neon colors that clash back and forth.

They both simply have different art styles.

And people telling me that Halo looks anywhere near as good as Halo are simply out of their minds.
They're crazy.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

but it might play better...might..though they arent the same kinda shooters

[Dance]

You and the other 600 posters on this thread need educate yourselves http://www.youtube.com/watc... theres alot more going on in Halo Reach than you think

[Death2494]

I just finished playing Killzone 2 on my projector and there's very little chance Reach will out perform Killzone 2.