Irritating Installations: Xbox 360 vs. Playstation 3

From the PlanetXbox360.com feature editorial:

"Since even before the launch of the PS3, Sony fans were touting the system's incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven't seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance, but much of that is due to the general downturn in exclusive titles- developing two separate versions of a game would be far less cost-effective. Having recently picked up Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 to play with my fiancée on the PS3 (she finds the 360 controllers a bit too bulky) we popped in the disc, excited to once again run around as superheroes and pound various enemies into oblivion. Nothing was available until after it finished the lengthy installed."

[UltimaEnder]

Mandatory installs are a super fail.......

[FangBlade]

"Sony fans were touting the system's incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven't seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance"

Uncharted 2 says hi.

Please, fanboys (on both sides), stop emberrassing yourselfs with these kind of articles. this website is a total joke.

@ below, you're 100% right.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

This guys from the article is so wrong in so many things.

First he says that there are no graphical differences between the PS3 and X360 but what happened to Uncharted 2? The GOTY 2009 and all the Best Graphics awards?

Then he says that on top of mandatory installs you need to install mandatory updates which is a lie.

And why the guy keep saying: "if the PS3 has so much processing power why it can't play games without mandatory installs?". Well, that's not a problem with the CPU itself but with the developers. Killzone 2 doesn't has mandatory installs and the game's a graphical power-horse. The same with the crappy ports, etc.

"There may be a point where due to the massive amount of data crammed onto each Blu-Ray disc an installation will actually become completely necessary"

The guy's totally lost... FFXIII utilize like 40GB of a bluray-disc and it has no installs and virtually no loadings.

Then he ends the article with major BS: "Maybe this is one of the reasons why the Xbox 360 continues to dominate the Playstation 3 in worldwide sales", oh really? I thought that since the PS3 Slim came out Sony have been dominating the worldwide sales.... Mmmmm how strange how a fact changes so much from one person to the other.

[deadreckoning666]

For some reason, mandatory installs don't bother me. If I encounter one, I'll just use that time to take a break. The first time I encountered a 15 minute loading screen in MGS4, I used that time ta take a dump

[Sunny_D]

Damn, is it me or have Planetxbox 360 been on a roll with these flamebait articles recently?

"Sony fans were touting the system’s incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven’t seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance."

Please show me a game on 360 that can rival games such as KZ2, U2:AT, MAG 256 players, Wipeout HD, GOW3, etc... So far no game I have seen that can even hold a candle to these games on the 360.

[Darkeyes]

@Bodyboarder.... What the hell do you expect from a site named PLANETXBOX360.com to tell you????...
Outright lies in the article, games like KZ2 and UC2 themselves show that PS3 is capable of great graphics with no installations..

And yes even I LOLed reading the worldwide sales thing. What kind of people are becoming journalists these days.. I know you want to support the console in you sites name but outright denial of facts is astounding.. Best thing is to avoid such sites.

Nothing to see here people, just some more fuel to the fanboy fire.

[ape007]

installs, mandatory installs

and other 2 points

1-game patches take time to download, some day I put waw and got like 200mg patch,do it or you'll not play online also in burnout paradise

2-ps3 loads things slower than xbox, getting into games in 360 seems faster especially when you do the amazing "optional install feature"

gta 4 loads so fast when it's optionally installed, much faster than on ps3

also ps home load times are ridiculous, why in the world would I wait for all this time to do game launching

also ps3 exclusives take so much time to load, motorstorm,kz2,mgs4 and uncharted 2

sony have to look in these things

[ifhd]

smoking is bad for you.

[WildArmed]

while i do hate long mandatory installs too on my ps3...
I dont know about the other two points.

I d/l 200mbs withing 30secs.. that is not the ps3's issue as much as your Internets (Try using LAN vs wireless if you aren't already)

I dont notice much difference in loading times.
Played Braid on both 360 n ps3.. no differences, same with CoD4, and numerous games. unless your talking about a second or two, then OMGOSH.. that is so slow >.>

PS home does take awhile to load, but not when I have the cache set to 16Gbs.. then it's pretty fast.. (but i put it back to 3gbs since i rarely pop in)

killzone 2 does have lengthy loading times, but not much for uncharted..
the loading during competitive matches has been put down to nearly 10-15 secs..
Unless your talking about SP, then complaining about a single load time during your gaming session is a bit too much to complain about.

End @ape007
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Halo 3 took a pretty dmn long time to load my 360..
and most installs now are barely 5-10 mins long, like infamous having a 1-2min install.

Sometimes people complain about the stupidest things.

[presto717]

Dont expect too much...

[Immortal Kaim]

I own both an Xbox and PS3, never been bothered by the instals...In fact I install all my 360 games to the HDD anyway?

btw I don't think KZ2 is that spectacular graphically? Perhaps it is because I played it after UC2, but going back to it now, it looks kind of dull to me?

[Megaton]

UltimaEnder is really shooting for the crown on this one. Some real turds come outta his site, but this... this is masterful.

[jeseth]

I bought a 360 off a guy at work JUST to play Fable 2 (because I liked Fable so much) and after it freezing everytime I played I had to INSTALL IT TO THE HDD FOR OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE.

LOL. 360 games also run better when you install it to the HDD.

The fanboys are really scratching and clawing these days. That install argument seemed legit to me as a PS3 owner until I got a 360 and Fable 2.

LMAO. Keep trying 360 fanboys at this biased 360 site.

[mal_tez92]

"So far we haven’t seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The 360 is still playing catch up to Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, a game from 2007. The closest thing is probably Mass Effect 2.
It still ages behing MGS4, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

[Remmulak]

hmmm great question lets ask people who own an Xbox without a hard drive.

[ChozenWoan]

I'll go with uncompressed texture installation for the win Alex Trebek.

[ape007]

why all these disagrees, just reply, tell me why

@skv007 bubbles for you man, that's what I call a great reply, my connection is pretty bad and I really hated halo 3 singl eplayer, it was soulless, you are right the load times in halo 3 sucks big time

@phantom disagrees,I really didn't like these things, I love my ps3 but these things just irritate me

oh OH wait WAIT....this is n4g, just a typical reaction xD

[KillaManiac]

All I get from reading the summary on N4G is:

"Blah Blah....give our 360 fanboy website hits"

Its just online journalism...make the most absurd and random topics in order to generate hits which generates more money and publicity towards yourself.

[SilentNegotiator]

Wait, are they serious? What about Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2?

"PlanetXbox360.com"
....ooooooohh!
PlanetXbox360 sure has had a lot of anti-PS3 FUD articles lately. How pathetic.

[iamtehpwn]

I'd rather have them install data then have a game with massive load times. If the developer deems it needed to have a solid experience, then I see nothing wrong with it.

Granted, if they can pull off having NO mandatory install at all, and no large load screens like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, or Final Fantasy XIII, that of course is Much better.

[CWMR]

-Guys, give it a rest. All the fanboys saying MGS4 or Uncharted 1 still haven't been equaled on the 360 are full of it. Gears 2 surpassed both of those games. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 might look a little better, but not by much. And why do you guys want to stop the discussion now? Why didn't we stop the discussion at Gears of War 1? You know, when the PS3 had nothing to compare.

Lot's of developers have said that the two consoles are very close in graphical capabilities. Sony claimed the PS3 was more powerful and Microsoft claimed the 360 was more powerful. As an owner of both consoles they look pretty close to me.-

[SilentNegotiator]

We did.....in 2006. But not everyone is still living in the past.
Now the PS3 is FILLED with games unsurpassed by the 360.

[Greywulf]

Please do this, you can even PM me since you've ran out of bubbles. OR post in the open zone.

Gears2 is the unreal engine.
Gears2 doesn't stream load.

Uncharted has better character models, animation, lighting, textures, and shaders than Gears 1 & 2 and any unreal engine game on the market. Its because Naughty Dog wrote the engine themselves to utilize the PS3.

Killzone2 isn't "a bit" better than the Unreal engine, what "bit" is Gears2 close to Killzone2? Killzone2's post processing alone isn't even found in the unreal engined 360 games. Playing them its as clear as day. The 360 hasn't had any game to come close to Killzone2, or Uncharted1.

cant wait to see your response.

I want to see Images of the unreal engine Gears1 & 2 that are "close" to Killzone2/Uncharted1/Uncharted 2. Its close the same way a Honda civic is close to a Ferrari. They both have wheels right?

Uncharted 1 and Killzone 2 have no install and are better looking & performing than all Xbox 360 games. Facts are facts.

This article fails, its like sad propaganda from the defense minister of Iraq.

[el zorro]

Just wanted to point out that you made a lot of claims greywulf without any evidence to back them up. Simply saying Uncharted 2 has better animation, textures, etc. does not prove anything.

[starchild]

Of course he made a lot of claims without anything to back them up, that is what he does.

Put simply, if you can look at the following two videos and claim one is better than the other in any other way except if you prefer one graphical style over the other then you are simply lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Watch both videos and really try to get a feel for what each of them is doing graphically. You might prefer the look of one over the other, but if you claim one is "vastly superior" or anything of the sort then you are simply deceiving yourself.

[Immortal Kaim]

Good point, art style is a major factor in how a game 'looks graphically'.

[lokiroo420]

@ CMWR AND STARCHILD

You wanted proof that uncharted is much better than gears? Well here is an article that has been beat to death on here, its uncharted drakes fortune embarrassing gears 2, enjoy.

part 1
http://kineticninja.blogspo...

part 2
http://kineticninja.blogspo...

[Redempteur]

why are installation a bad thing again ?

because it improves loading times ?
because having a hard drive allow for more freedom while making the games ?

this is weird , i have all my games installed on my 250gb and i still haven't hit the 50%usage space ..

Well install aren't a problem when you can upgrade your hard drive whenever you want i guess ....

Also fail article

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

The best looking console game to date has zero installation. Oh wait this is PlanetXbox360.com. Totally unbiased.

[starchild]

@lokiroo420

Oh you mean that blog written by a completely biased PS3 fanboy? Yeah, I've already seen it, too bad it isn't legitimate. He chose the absolute worse angles on the Gears of War 2 shots and the best looking angles for the Uncharted shots.

There is no need to look at a biased comparison based on a few selective screen shots, when we can look at full motion video. Better yet, some of us have actually played and beaten both of these games. The difference is minimal and is mostly down to different graphical approaches.

[MiloGarret]

Take the article with a grain of salt. It's from "PLANET XBOX360"

It's about as relevant as an article on the superiority of either the DS3 or the xbox 360 controller coming from a playstation 3 centered site...

Relax, breathe, everything is going to be ok.

[rockleex]

You have never laid your hands on Uncharted so stop lying. Give me your PSN and let me see your Trophies.

How did he choose the best angles for Uncharted and worst angles for Gears 2 when the angles were almost exactly the same?

Zoomed in camera, up close to all the characters. How else could he have taken the shots? Was he supposed to move the camera out further just to make Gears 2 look less ugly?

Tell me what he did to make Gears 2 look inferior? Because it seemed like he was trying to make BOTH games look as bad as possible. But Uncharted just keeps impressing every single time.

In fact, he went through to compare ALL the graphical aspects. Lighting, fire, explosions, etc.

Time and time again, Gears 2 just couldn't keep up. In fact, Gears 2 had to fake a lot of those effects.

No one else on the internet have stepped up to the plate to challenge his comparison. I can see why they didn't.

Biased? Read this article and you'll see bias all over it. And most importantly, FUD.

[Socrates]

@Greywulf

I won't bother with most of your post because most of it is pure opinion, but I will correct you on one thing. Gears of War does stream load. Read this article where Insomniac discusses why Resistance doesn't look as good as Gears of War and they explain that Gears of War had texture streaming and Resistance did not: http://palgn.com.au/xbox-36...

Like I said, I won't bother with the rest of that because there is no authority out there that can prove whether Uncharted or Gears of War has better animation, textures, and so on, so it would just be me throwing out my opinions like you did.

@rockleex

I just read through that comparison that lokiroo420 posted and to tell the truth I didn't agree with the author's conclusions. It just goes to show that two people can look at the same material and depending on how they analyze graphics can come to completely different conclusions. As to why no one else challenged this guy's comparison? It's an obscure blog for christ sake. Is everybody supposed to know about this guys obscure blog. Beside the point why should anybody care? That guy has his opinion just like everybody else. I see stuff I don't agree with all the time, but I don't go write an article trying to prove why my opinion is better.

[TheFreak]

Fanboys will be fanboys I guess.

[jaysquared]

Its funny how Sony fans don't mind 10-15 min installs but complain about multiple discs.. Seriously takes at the most 30 sec to get your fat butt up and change the discs!! Gotta love the hipocrosy of this place..

[likedamaster]

@lokiroo

Yeah, that article just proved just how cartoony Uncharted is to Gears of war. No game is perfect, but just deny that Uncharted ripped everything off of Gears(like the coversystem, grenade throwing, weapon/ammo pickups, limited hud, shooting, etc.) and you would have made my day.

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

Both Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 have no installing, and they are the top two best looking games on any console. Install was a PS3 thing with MGS4. Then 360 added it as a feature. Then it came mandatory for PS3, and optional on 360(Install on 360 is hit and miss). Now the PS3 doesn't need it. I assume that within the next year, installs will be a thing of the past. They do help out a lot. I install many of my 360 games too.

[SaberEdge]

This article had some valid points. I know that it isn't allowed to criticize the PS3 in any way because it is perfection incarnate in the minds of many people around here, but its easy to see how mandatory installations could bother some people.

The biggest hypocrisy I see is that PS3 die hards are always making such a huge deal about multiple discs when the percentage of games requiring multiple discs is only around 3% of the total 360 library and it only takes a few seconds to switch a disc and it only has to be done every 10 hours, yet despite all this mandatory installs which take minutes to complete are good while multiple discs are bad.

I just get sick and tired of the hypocrisy. And it is a hypocrisy that is backed up with a "might makes right" attitude around here.

People mention how Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are free of mandatory installations as if that completely dissolves the fact that many PS3 games, especially multi-platform games, do require mandatory installations.

It's great that those games are so ahead of the curve on the PS3 and that their developers were talented enough to allow them to be that way, but many developers are not going to be able to get the same results.

It is a fact that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 reads data at a slower speed than the 360's DVD drive and not all developers are going to be able to work around that fact other than to go the route of having a mandatory installation.

[thereapersson]

"Sony fans were touting the system’s incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven’t seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance."

Whaddya know? A pro-360 site stating that? Get out! lol...

[sack_boi]

Unlike Uncharted, Gears has splitscreen coop and supports up to five players at once.

[heroprotagonist]

Good point, Sack Boi. A lot of times people want to compare these games when they aren't even an apples to apples comparison.

What I don't like about that blog comparison is that most of the comparison was based on character models using an unnaturally zoomed in camera. You are never going to be staring face to face with a Locust like that long enough to notice those fine of details. Or how about that shot looking up between Dom's legs? What was that about? Regardless, when I play Gears of War 2 the character models look highly detailed and really great in general.

Then he compares a few other random things like fire, but he doesn't even give examples of fire from Uncharted. He only shows some examples of grenade explosions (which several reviewers criticized by the way for looking kind of cheezy). Why didn't he give some examples of Uncharted's normal fire?

He said that he noticed some of the fire in Gears of War 2 was two dimensional, but doesn't he know that fire in every game is often a two dimensional effect made to look 3d? (well there is a way to handle it as a particle effect, but that isn't as common) The fire in Uncharted (at the plane wreckage part soon after you get to the island, for example) was the same way. If you got at the right angle you could see that it was comprised of 2 dimensional panes. It is the same way that foliage is handled in every game. So, the long and the short of it is that he criticized Gears of War 2 for something that is no different in Uncharted. It is no wonder he didn't give any examples of fire from Uncharted.

Having played both games myself I can tell by the shots he took and the things he focused on in the comparison that he had an agenda and was not interested in doing a fair comparison. There are so many other things he could have compared, but he chose to focus primarily on character models with a few other hand picked graphical features that would paint Uncharted in the most favorable light and Gears of War 2 in the most unfavorable light.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Splitscreen coop is irrelevant because you're still producing just as much pixels on screen at once as seen in single player mode. Face it, Gears of War 1 and 2 look primitive next to Uncharted.

[ian72]

Mandatory installs dont bother me really. I have had my blu-ray die on me and Installs shoud help with the life of them as the game is reading from the hard drive instead of the disc, thus not using the blu-ray as much. Plus its only a few minutes of time when disc is first used, its not as though you have to go through an install every time you play. Some people are so impatient nowadays.

[Anon1974]

No sh!t.

How did this get approved? This isn't even close to newsworthy.

[gamer2010]

"Face it, Gears of War 1 and 2 look primitive next to Uncharted."

Well clearly they don't, but go on living in your little fantasy world where everything on the PS3 is magically twice as good as it really is.

If Gears of War looks so primitive next to Uncharted then why did no reviewers say that Uncharted blew away Gears of War?

And what about the reviewers that said Gears of War 2 was the best looking game when it came out?

You are also wrong about split screen being an irrelevant factor affecting graphics or engine performance. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. There indeed is a performance hit when doing split-screen because you are essentially rendering a completely different image for each smaller screen. The calculations required for things like AI, physics and many other things increase dramatically when doing split screen. That is why it is common for the few games that do it to cut down on things like effects and draw distance.

That is apparently the reason why Guerrilla did not include split screen co-op in Killzone 2. In this article http://playstation.joystiq.... they say that one of Killzone 2's producers, Angie Smets, "...notes that split-screen co-op had to be axed due to the overwhelming graphical demands of the game."

Given that you know nothing about any of this it does not surprise me that you would be ignorant enough to say something like "Gears of War 1 and 2 look primitive next to Uncharted."

[bjornbear]

another UltimaEnder article...

N4G shouldn't allow people to self-publicize their crap =/

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

in regards to time for me. I can do something to fill the time; I don't have ADHD or something.

What I find more bothersome is the size of some installs.

[IcarusOne]

It's worth mentioning how much sh*t the sony cult gives a game like ME2 for being 2 discs while they sit there and allow the superior blu-ray format to interrupt their session of MGS4 with a 5-10 minute install after each act. I own both consoles, love both consoles, and wish everyone else followed suite. If they did, we'd see a lot less hypocrisy out here.

For the record, I'm not a huge fan of mandatory installs, and I really don't care how many discs a game comes on, so long as it's good. For me, the enjoyment of gaming is in the GAME, not the technical specs of the format it's printed on.

[nveenio]

You get superior graphics from an install on the PC, and no one complains about that. With the PS3, superior graphics aren't even necessary (see: Uncharted 2). Not only are superior graphics not necessary, but LOADING SCREENS aren't necessary (again...see: Uncharted 2). I'm getting sick of seeing people blame developer CHOICES on PS3 hardware.

[starchild]

inveni0, that is ridiculous. Of course the PS3 hardware has something to do with it. Developers are not adding mandatory installations simply for the fun of it. There are issues with the hardware that they are working around. It's not as if they are adding mandatory installations to make the PS3 versions better, either. In most cases they are using mandatory installations to help the PS3 versions merely equal the 360 versions.

Some of you imagine that because Naughty Dog did all these great things on the PS3 that every developer should be able to do it and if they didn't do it it's just because they didn't want to. That's not the way it works, though. Most developers don't have the time or the budgets to tinker around with the cell and work around all its quirks. They need to get results as fast and efficiently as possible. But it isn't some detached "choice". It is a choice they have to make given the realities of the hardware.

[gintoki777]

hey.......snake just wants a cigarette break off the set =(

[Rauland]

This article has bias and misinformed information written all over it.

Firstly, when a game needs a patch to play it on the PS3 and your promoted to download it, you can press O effectively signing out of the PSN and skipping the patch (like XBL).

Secondary, THE PROCESSOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LOADING OF A GAME!?! It's the 'bluray' and the 'HDD' that is doing all the work. 360 has a faster DVD Drive, meaning? I think you can guess what it means.

Also Patches are encrypted, and the 'installing' is actually decrypting (a measure to protect it being hacked). Why do you think it patches/games take awhile to install (when downloaded off the PSN)?

Some games ARE being installed while you play (take FALLOUT 3 for an example). So him thinking that he has solved the "installation crisis" with this already in practice method... yeah right.

Stop purposely writing stupid flame bate articles for some hits on your website, loser. And get to know you PS3, not assume everything without even knowing.

[My comment has probably shaken to the bottom of the sea of useless, crappy comments, that only a few people will read, :/]

[d--keller]

Mandatory installs are a super fail. Only the sorriest fanboy can think of a reason why waiting 15 minutes to play your new game doesn't suck.

PS3 rules but long installs and firmware updates bite.

[mastiffchild]

Oh, crivens! This isn't half some shoddy old pap isn't it? What is going on with us gamers these days? We have a lot among us who would forgive the industry when it rips us off, fails to deliver games that work properly on release, do little QA, do too few betas, make us use lag infested P2P online instead of making our online gaming better and with more players-all this they'll say is fine. We should be happy they give us anything even though it's us playing the games and our hard earned that keeps the likes of Kotick in silky 100dollar bill lined kecks!

But, ohg, mandatory installs? Disaster! Having to chang a disc in a big jrpg? Murderous! Not being able to gabble on to mates unrelated to the game we're playing for, like, 5 minutes? Help us Lord! Anything that, like this, can be coloured by fanboy leanings(either way) are moaned about while the rest of the, more important, issues are swept aside while we spin the atrocious treatment we get as perfectly reasopmnable. A game ships like crap? They can patch it, why moan? Erm, because they don't always do it-there are loads of games released today, that cost a lot of our money and that expect us to pay it to do their QA testing and beta testing which is bad enough but then a lot of games never get fixed anyway! Oblivion-never fixed. NG2-camera never fixed even though they managed for the Sigma version!

Seriously, there's ton of things worth moaning about but an install that helps loads on the PS3 and 360 issn't one. If it's mandatory on the PS3 it's usually just because of the lower read speeds of BR players anyway and nothing to do with processing at all! Installing games(admittedly by choice) on my 360 has been a great thing too and if it helps on the PS3(and I think it's often a way devs can cut their costs)i'm OK with it being done and the ONLY reason I think we don't see them on the 360 is because they don't all have an HDD. PC gamers are used to it anyway-who cares that much about this rubbish?

Can we not move onto subjects where there's gonna be no accusations of bias and that affect us ALL as gamers and that, should we grow up as a community and stop bending over for the industry and spinning their rubbish for them, could change what we currently get conned over. I cannot believe some of the daft arguments perpetuated by articles like this-make a brew, take a leak but don't start crying because a developer thought an install was the best way for their game to play as well as it could on any given system. worry more about why we don't have as many dedicated servers on Live or PSN as we should do and why that allowed Acti to get IW to rip off PC gamers by taking their away too and hiking their price! Can someone tell me again just why it was better to argue amongst ourselves than demand a market leading game to have something approaching market leading features and online performance or even asking why we should buy a game that won't work online because they felt betas should be something we PAY to do for them? Cos I have no idea.

[Arnon]

Out of all the games to use, I don't see why it's Gears of War 2. Hell, I'd put Fable 2 and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts over Gears of War 2 in a graphical comparison.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts:

http://xbox360media.ign.com...

http://nukoda.com/wp-conten...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Fable 2:

http://xboxlivemedia.ign.co...

http://xboxlivemedia.ign.co...

http://xboxlivemedia.ign.co...

[Johnny Rotten]

the difference is some PS3 games require a mandatory install, whereas the Xbox games all require a 6-7gb+ install. That is unless your not worried of your Xbox dieing on you and you can tolerate the jet engine.

It is what it is, the devs have to do what it takes to make the game run and with the xbox you have to do what you gotta do to have a more enjoyable atmosphere. Does it suck? yes it does suck but it's only for the next ten minutes of my life, ten minutes I could've called a buddy, grabbed some food, throw the laundry in the dryer.blah,blah,blah.

[UNCyrus]

"Maybe this is one of the reasons why the Xbox 360 continues to dominate the Playstation 3 in worldwide sales"

Really article? PS3 keeps a solid lead and is building in both the EU and especially Japan. And in the US, the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2009.... I'm so confused where he's getting his facts...

[SaberEdge]

Regardless of what some of you think the PS3 should have sold in this region or that, the fact remains that the 360 still has the same lead over the PS3 as it did when the PS3 launched onto the market. 360 has over 39 million sold and PS3 is somewhere around 33 million. This means that the 360 has sold equally well or better than the PS3 since the later console came on the market. This is directly opposite of what some PS3 fans are claiming.

Furthermore, how in the world are you trying to say the PS3 outsold the 360 in the US when the NPD numbers show the exact opposite? The 360 outsold the PS3 in North America in 2009.

[Dev8 ing]

I thought it has been established that the 39 million was a lie based on the 360 selling 10 million in the US.

[DigitalAnalog]

Article fail.

Give me a game that installed that long on the PS3!!

-End statement

[Dutch Boogie]

Well Devil May Cry 4 required a 15min install but that was due to capcoms incompetence.

[jerethdagryphon]

afrika has a long instal long loads and long saves but its unique and enoyable i tihnk install was like 6 minites

[sGIBMBR]

Really, Capcom's incompetence?

DMC4 didn't require a mandatory install on the 360?!

Fanboys p**s me off!

[GarandShooter]

@sGIBMBR

How could there be a mandatory install on the 360 when HDD's aren't mandatory?

Are you pissing yourself off?

[sGIBMBR]

How would i be p**sing my self off? please elaborate.

What pisses me off are these fanboys, blaming all these developers for being lazy all the time because the ps3 version isn't upto scratch or requires an installation.

Maybe the ps3 is just really that hard to develop for, why should 1 system receive special privileges and have more time spent on it than the other? Is it their fault that the ps3's architecture is difficult to work with?

please stop being so ignorant and sthu already!

[PirateThom]

If you owned a PS3 you'd know this is FUD.

Neither of the most graphically advanced console games this gen, Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2, require an install.

Install time is, maximum, 15-20 minutes and, I think, only Devil May Cry topped out at that high end. MGS4, while it had numerous installs, wasn't using them for loading levels, it was massive amounts of texture data that they had to load on the Octocamo on the fly.

I believe the "patch" on PS3 is known as "title update" on 360, it's not mandatory on either, but you can't play online with either.

Anyone who doesn't buy a PS3 (now with 120GB HDD as standard) due to installs is an idiot.

[WildArmed]

But wait!
According to THEM
'Sony fans were touting the system's incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven't seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance'

RIIIIGHHTT...

[exnihilonihilfit]

Is that he doesn't even pretend to understand the many technical reasons why one might have to do an install on the PS3 and not the 360. The installs have nothing to do with the power of the cell processor per se.

There are two basic reasons why an install would be necessary. As Thom notes, load times from the harddrive are much faster than from the disk drive. This is especially true in the case of bluray which has a slower load time than DVD (only because it possesses so much more data). Further, the reason why multiplats have such large installs is because they basically have to load an emulator on the PS3 so that it can run the code as though it were an Xbox/PC as opposed to simply running code that was specifically designed for the Cell. If anything, the PS3 is so much more powerful than the Xbox that it can run the same game as the Xbox and an Xbox emulator on top of it. Indeed, it is because of the cell that such installs become necessary, but it is not because of the cell's processing power, rather, it is because programmers have not taken the extra time to reprogram key aspects of the game to run on the cell specifically. Exclusives, that are designed to run on the cell from start to finish, only need to perform installs if they want to load large textures really quickly (which is something they'll certainly take advantage of more and more as time goes by to increase image fidelity).

[SilverSlug]

Again, Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 have no install and are better looking than all Xbox 360 games so far.

Nice try.

[PepperJack]

i wouuldn't mind if they ever made any difference

[Obama]

"So far we haven't seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance"

haha you may believe this if you live in a fantasy land like some diehard fans here. I am still waiting for a 360 game that look better than killzone2.

[Socrates]

You are still waiting, you say? Oh boo hoo. How long has it even been? 10 or 11 months? You act like it has been a long time. Look at some of the games the Xbox 360 has coming up and try to tell me you are worried about the 360 keeping up graphically.

[Obama]

The upcoming game ME2 still doesn't look better than killzone 2 and UC2. What's your point?

[heroprotagonist]

Well actually have you seen that new Mass Effect 2 video? http://www.gamersworldbd.co... I can't believe how much better it looks. It is impossible to compare the two games because they have a completely different artistic and graphical approach. Nevertheless, I would say that in some ways it does look better than Uncharted 2.

[LaurenKB123]

Great article, I love this type of debate!

[SpartanZero]

"Sony fans were touting the system's incredible processing power as several orders of magnitude beyond that of the Xbox 360. So far we haven't seen much proof of that in terms of graphical performance"
Planetxbox360.com must have been watching a whole lot of Alan Wake gameplay lately :P

[el zorro]

You hit the nail on the head. I have seen nothing on the PS3 that looks as good as this: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Of course the PS3 fanboys will lie and say it doesn't look good, but they will be full of it. At least most 360 fanboys are not so petty as to claim that Uncharted 2 looks like crap. We might not agree with how some PS3 fans will overhype the graphics, but we at least have the decency to admit that it looks really good.

Let's see if PS3 fans will admit how good Alan Wake looks.

[starchild]

Alan Wake does look incredible and is just another game that punches a hole straight through Sony's claims about the PS3 being more powerful.

[TukkerIntensity]

terrible. and yeah some dark / foggy footage on youtube looks better than Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2....lol The game looks good and I'm going to get it - but ummm the dude didn't do anyting lol Not sure if you are familar with Uncharted 2 - but Nathan Drake does stuff in that game...lots of stuff.

[Pistolero]

You thought the anmations were terrible?...my god you guys really do see everything through Sony tinted glasses....those animations looked great even though it was basically just Alan and definitely on par with the animations in Uncharted 2...and the whole game looks detailed as hell and simply amazing. It is becoming clear that you ps3 fans will never give credit to 360 games...you will never admit how good they look...you will continue to only overrate the graphics of the ps3 exclusives.

[Socrates]

But from our perspective it is you PS3 fans who are "spreading stupidity". Every time a PS3 fan says Uncharted 2 looks "miles better than anything on the 360" I just have to shake my head at the stupidity. And trying to show you guys how you are wrong is like banging your head against the wall. It gets you absolutely nowhere.

You get on him for saying that he thinks the animation in Alan Wake is good, but I don't see why. I look at that video of Alan Wake that was posted and then I go watch a video of Uncharted 2 and I fail to see how there is much difference in the way the main characters animate. Look for yourself-

Uncharted 2: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Alan Wake: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The animation looks good in both of them to me and actually very similar.

Also, you blame 360 fanboys for bringing up Uncharted 2 in that Quantum article, but you are way off on that. If you go look you will see that it was a PS3 fanboy Mal_tez that first brought up Uncharted 2.

Uncharted 2 is a beautiful game and I do believe that it is currently the best looking game on any console, but I don't think it is by as much as some have claimed. I also think that we will see better looking games on the 360 and PS3 in the future.

[Obama]

When Alan Wake wins the best graphic award (which it won't) this year then you have the right to claim it as one of the best looking games.

Then again if Alan Wake really looks THAT good, then it must be weird that no media outlet gave it the best graphic award in E3. (they gave it to mainly UC2 and GOW3)

[SaberEdge]

Uncharted 2 was further along and was near release so of course outlets were going to focus more on it. Alan Wake still has time to shine.

Alan Wake was a runner up on several of those lists. Lot's of previews I have read also mention how amazingly good Alan Wake looks.

I don't know if it is going to ultimately top Uncharted 2 or not, but all I know is that those newer videos look amazing and I think it will definitely be one of the best looking games around.

Do I care if it is 4% better or worse looking than Uncharted 2? Hell no. When a game looks that good it doesn't even matter anymore.

Anyway since when do opinions equal facts? Most reviewers gave Halo 3 and Gears of War really good reviews, but that doesn't stop you guys from saying they are crap. So don't go running to those very same review sites as proof that your opinion is right.

[MetalGearRising]

lol Mandatory installs ps3.

[Dutch Boogie]

lol your 360 is bound to die on you eventually. It's a mandatory procedure every 3fixme owner encounters FACT.

[Model]

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS ! if you dont reply, he will eventually die

[wikia]

How can you kill that which has no life?

[CWMR]

-Oh please, as if Dutch Boogie is any less of a troll.

Hey Dutch Boogie, I've had my 360 for over 3 years and it has never died on me, so you are full of crap.-

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

InstallStation 3 if you have a small PS3 HDD you can only install like 5-8 games before it's full. If you want to play an old game you have to delete games and reinstall again, over and over and over and... You don't have the option like on the 360 which will play the games with or without a HDD nd even load faster and in 95% of all multiplatform games... look and run better.

[RedDragan]

Gotta laugh at 360...

If you don't have a certain Xbox 360 you cannot play all of forza 3! HAHAHA!

And the 360 bots laugh at our installs?

At least ALL PS3's can do installs! Most 360 users have to make do with half a game!

[Michael-Jackson]

Not all 360s have a hard-drive, so if a game had mandatory install and you had the arcade bundle(no hard-drive), you can't play the game at all. :( you could buy a hard-drive but you will be forced to, if your not that type of person that download demos and store media.

[Marty8370]

Funny how you cant see the benefit of installs on PS3.

For starters PS3 can easily have it's hard drive upgraded to 500Gb, making storage not a problem.

It's the Crapbox that has the install problem, as you can't upgrade hard drives above 120Gb.

Jump Out, Play B3yond

[gtamike123]

@Jason 360
I like my 320GB HDD for my PS3 might even get a 500GB HDD casue I can.
Unlike your 360 you have to buy MS crap HDD at a crazy price. (whats max HDD 120GB hahaha)

[ZombieAutopsy]

planetxbox360.com.....wonder if theyre bias??? /sarc

[Wrathman]

bias or not.most games need a mandatory install or patch or firmware update to play.my first run at uncharted took 15 mins to get on.couple that with a system update then you could be talking quite a while to get on.depending on your time of day i have seen firmware updates take hours.even some blu-ray movies need an update.tho this is rare.

goin from xbox to ps3 i find updates annoying as hell.usually by the time they have finished the notion of playin that game has left me.xbox updates are few and far between and are usually finished in seconds.not minutes or hours.

as my ps3 sits right now..it needs to be updated.but wots even more annoying is that firmware updates probably add the polish language to the xmb.but still i need to update it.i dont even speak polish.infact i dont even know why they add languages from eastern europe.they cant even get store access.the support to some countries is appauling and shameful from sony.

[Socrates]

Why is it you guys never say that about all the articles that come from PS3 fanboy sites? Like that PSXtreme.com or whatever it is called. There are lots of articles that come from PS3-centric sites that say stuff that leaves the rest of us scratching our heads. Like when they claim that God of War 3 looks better than any other console game and then I look at the screenshots and videos and wonder what the hell they are talking about.

[Etseix]

mmmm
this is weird

--this article
http://forums.planetxbox360...
-- white knight article
http://www.rpgamer.com/bios...

almost twin brothers?

[Imallvol7]

Well, their is always someone trying to bring the PS3 down. Are you guys not used to this by now? This is the 4,394 article on this subject. Add it to the "PS3 has no games," "PS3 online sucks," "PS3 is too expensive", and every other "PS3 has something wrong with it" article and you could start your own PS3 hate blog. In fact, I am pretty sure they probably exist.

[jack who]

Mandatory

[Model]

dont feed this x-troll

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Optional :O

[Pistolero]

It is funny how people always try to put mandatory installs and optional installs in the same boat...when the are actually totally different...something that you have to do and something you have the choice to do are completely different things.

[The_Beast]

unlike sonys ps3. all of them have hard drives :.....( cry more bots

[emk2004]

planetcrap360 write another stupid/basis article why would u ever read an article that says ps3 vs 360 coming from a pro 360 site? and saying that 360 and ps3 have no graphical difference uc2/kz2 have proved otherwise. ff13s cg dont count lol.

[n4gn4gn4gn4g]

dude 'claims' to have a fiancee.

[Unicron]

More like PlanetXSuck.

M I RITE?

God, this is "news" these days?

[NotSoSilentBob]

It is sad that once again 360 fans need to resort to misinformation to make their console shine. They claim the graphical differences between the system are nonexistence, yet Uncharted 1/2, Killzone2, Naruto UNS1, are all better looking then any multiplat that the 360 has the edge with. The game "updates" are optional and all you have to do is hit O if you aren't going to play online. To play online just like 360 you need to have the latest game update on your system.

It would be nice if MS left the console business so that their fans would follow them. Yes I know that is harsh but every 360 site lately has been on damage control with the Ps3 getting More market share and also having a Greater Year over Year numbers.

This should be reported as fake/lame/spam due to the false information that a Pro 360 website is trying to say to influence people and they are presenting false facts.

[NotSoSilentBob]

11 disagrees and not 1 person has the bravery to say why?

Should I take that as
whydis/metalgearHD/POG.... has that many accounts

[table]

"Maybe this is one of the reasons why the Xbox 360 continues to dominate the Playstation 3 in worldwide sales"

lol good one. First off, the average consumer knows nothing about these installs. The choice of a console will have little or nothing to do with this subject. Secondly, the 360 only dominates ps3 in North America. Worldwide the ps3 is consistantly outselling the 360 ever since its launch. I don't mind a pro 360 article when it is based on facts, but this sounds like it was written by a bitter fanboy. Cringe-worthy journalism.

[heroprotagonist]

People keep saying that the PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide since it launched, but that idea doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. Based on recently released numbers from both platform holders the 360 appears to be around 7 million ahead right now, which is more than it was ahead at the time the PS3 launched. So how again could the PS3 have been outselling the 360 all this time and not close the gap? It doesn't make sense.

[Method]

Uncharted 2 has 0 loading times and 0 installs, yet it's still by far the greatest looking game on consoles. Gears of War 2: Brown & Bloom Edition wishes it looked even half as great.

[CWMR]

-You are in flat out denial if you think that. The difference between Uncharted 2 and Gears of War 2 is marginal. Start both games up and flip back and forth between them on the same tv and try to tell me there is anything more than a marginal difference. You can't do it, without lying to yourself.-

[table]

you have a point. Although UC2 is undoubtedly the best looking game on the consoles, the differences I agree are slightly exagerrated. The naked eye can only tell to a point, to really see the differences you need to actually compare screen shots. UC2 does look great in motion as well though.

[n4gn4gn4gn4g]

You have a small tv running at SD or something...or you are freaking blind.

[kneon]

If you watch this video you will see that the differences are more than marginal

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And then there is this comparison to Killzone 2 that really shows how far ahead Killzone 2 is to Gears of War 2

If you just compare static screen shots you are missing some significant differences as the dynamic aspects of the graphics and physics make a big difference to the feel of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Obama]

"The difference between Uncharted 2 and Gears of War 2 is marginal"

Only in fantasy land. In the real world UC2 is a generation ahead of gears 2 in terms of graphic. Just look at the gameplay videos.

[Hudahudahuda]

On one input I saw COLORS and beautiful animations with a large serving of NO LOAD times and highly varied textures and stiff animations, grimdark brown and grey bloomin with a large side of texture pop-in on the other.

I am not lying to myself.

+1 Disagree

[starchild]

I'll just post what I posted earlier, since you guys are making the same outrageous claims.

Put simply, if you can look at the following two videos and claim one is better than the other in any other way except if you prefer one graphical style over the other then you are fooling yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Watch both videos and really try to get a feel for what each of them is doing graphically. You might prefer the look of one over the other, but if you claim one is "vastly superior" or anything of the sort then you are simply deceiving yourself.

[Obama]

I can't believe the die hard 360 fans are now suggesting that Gears 2 graphic = UC2 graphic. I am done with arguing since there's really no point when you are this delusional.

[Pistolero]

Personally I feel that uncharted 2 looks a little bit better than GeOW2 so I do not fully agree with him...but Obama you have some nerve calling anybody else delusional when you can make statements like you just made...you said "UC2 is a generation ahead of gears 2 in terms of graphic"...now that proves that you are the most delusional of all...cause when you lay all the crap talk to the side there is only the fact that both games look really good and are more or less close.

[Pistolero]

I just wanted to add to what I said before....I wrote about this in another topic earlier today and so I will just copy some of what I wrote..

Just to give you an example about what I was talking about...here is what GameSpy said about Gears of War 2...."While it's certainly open to debate, we're going to go out on a limb and call Gears of War 2 the most visually impressive game of all-time."

THis goes to show at the very least that some reviewers thought GeOW2 looked better than Uncharted 1...so if GeOW2 looked better than Uncharted 1 how can Uncharted 2 be a "generation ahead" of GeOW2?...Uncharted 2 was an improvement above Uncharted 1 but let's be honest it wasn't that nearly that big.

But I have realized now after reading the comments about Alan Wake from ps3 fans that ps3 fans will always overhype ps3 games and will never admit how good 360 games look...its like they live in their own little world....I don't know...I thought that Alan Wake vid that someone posted earlier in this thread looked better than anything I have seen or at least as good.

[AliTheBrit19]

Ugh..

The PS3 always needs to update or install or something frickin annoying to stop me playing the damn game!

Its beyond funny how many time's I've just sat there waiting for something to update or download or install so I can play the game...feeling like a fool, great software design sony..

Why is it you can take a multi-platform game

On the xbox 360 it can be played immediately
on the PS3 is requires a mandatory install

on the Xbox 360 an update takes literally 10 seconds
on the PS3 the same update takes literally 10 minutes

WHY!?! bah I type bad because its late but the point remains the same

[Unicron]

Set up your damn router correctly. The MW2 updates on PS3 have taken me literally 5 seconds to get.

[CWMR]

-Sometimes they can be quick, but he is right that PS3 updates take longer in general.-

[DelbertGrady]

If you buy a new PS3, like my friend did, and pop in LBP you have to endure 27 patches lol! Takes about 40 mins for it to download & install. If you want to see something even worse try inserting Batman: AA. Don't say I didn't warn you. That beast takes up to about 2 hours to install before you can play it.

[RedDragan]

Except Forza 3 Ali.

Because of the lack of hard drive on some 360's you cannot play the whole game!

At least ALL PS3 Models have an large enough HDD to play what you pay for.

People should be suing Microsoft to be honest.

[AliTheBrit19]

^^ Yeah thats true, microsoft releasing a 360 SKU with no HDD is absurd

[maniacf40]

how would that look if the install was longer then the game? LMFAO!!!!

[Wrathman]

damn you must be good at halo and gears.ive never played them to completion.

you wud think with all them firmware and patches gettin added all the time they would release one for the trophy hacking...not no!

has anyone else noticed that with every firmware update you have to accept new terms and conditions of use with your ps3.just so they can monitor wot im using my ps3 and the browser for? with every update they errode some customer rights away.

[LEGENDARY PELON]

Another ps3 fangirl making fun of Halo and Gears.

Come on, is getting old!

go back to playing chicken lil, oh i mean lil big planet!

[K-Tuck]

More mindless Xbox 360 fanboy BS.

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

"Well first it had to download an update. Unlike the 360, which simply gives you the choice of updating you’re game or signing out of Xbox Live."

I stopped reading after this line... You do have a choice not to update right away. When it prompts you to update, just press circle then viola its gametime.

[stonecold1]

when they metoined the 360 was outselling ps3 world wide its not the ps3 has already outsold 360 in eurpoe japan japan ausutralia new zealand then it outsells it in north america through npd since the ps3 slim came out 1.36 million compared to the 360 1.30 million not one game on 360 matchs matchs lbp killzone 2 rfom , 1, 2 motorstorm , 1 ,2 metal gear solid 4 uncharted 1 , uncharted 2, ratchet clank gt5 about to come out later in the year heavy rain god of war 3 final fantasy vs 13 makes the 360 pretty much last gen when they are playing standred dvd8 no high def no 1080p no hdmi holding ps3 development back gimping games like final fantasy 13 and tekken6

[timzone]

The article is not accurate. That's why it was reported so much. Unfortunately there are enough contributors that either don't check articles before they approve them or they prefer immature posturing over journalistic integrity. PlanetXbox360 has some very good articles however they have reached too far this time.

[timzone]

With the amount of "Disagree" votes it becomes obvious that the latter of the two reasons is more prevalent when subjects of this matter are discussed. Pity.

[Magna Farta]

....Not necessarily because it's absolute flamebait, but as the writer admits, he was a PC gamer, and there were reasons for PC games to be installed.

It's a lot faster to access information reading it from the Hard Drive than it is to read it from a CD or DVD, not to mention repeatedly reading that information over time would generate a lot of wear and tear, hence the reason an overused Drive would burn out or just stop working.

And if he was a PC gamer, he of all people should understand the installs. But the main reason for PS3 game install is that in 2006 blu-ray drives were 2x, and it would result in very long loading times for more graphically intensive games, and given the infancy of the technology, would also result in a LOT of broken drives.

I've always found the articles moaning about installs to be stupid, as it makes people sound VERY impatient. God forbid you should have to wait 5-10 minutes (only once, mind you) to play your game.

[KillerPwned]

See what the guy in the article wont say is that installing your 360 games onto the HDD, decreases chances of RROD or any other disk failure! Also it doesn`t take a simple 5 mins to install a 360 game onto the 360 yeah some games don`t take a long time but there are games that have taken a bit. I own one and i install all my games because i don`t wanna have to call MS and try to understand there version of english to get a new 360 or get mine fixed........AGAIN! But you got 360 games that have multi-disks there for having to install each and every disk as to have the full effect, to where they has only ever been a one disk blu-ray games so far that may have a mandatory install. Also he makes it seem like every single game has to be installed yeah some of them suck for example Ninja Gaiden Sigma takes awhile to install but that is a choice if you wanna install it or not.

I understand how he feels from coming as a PC gamer but some of the stuff was uncalled for.

This gens Flamebait, flame wars all that stuff i feel like I`am living the Nintendo Vs Sega era.

[Ether]

I find it amusing that a website supposedly dedicated to the 360 keeps writing articles flaming the PS3, instead of writing articles about the features of the 360.

Perhaps they can't think of anything good to write about.

[Mikeyy]

Installs are not that bad, Its Hella faster than Having to read of the disc for everything, This is ALSO the case with Xbox 360, some games run much better being install on the HDD over streaming from the disc. GTA4 major example.

I don't see what is so bad about a 1 time, 5 min install.

Also about patches, Holy uneducated dumb sh*ts batman, Patches are mandatory because it is absolutly IRRESPONISBLE to allow users to play online games, using different versions of software, Bug fixes would be useless.

[starchild]

The difference some of you are intentionally dodging is that the PS3 has mandatory installs in many cases just to get the game to perform equal to the 360 version. Read the comparisons. Often the PS3 has a mandatory install and still has slower load times and worse performance than the 360 versions.

[ReBurn]

Awesome flamebait article if you ask me. It's funny how these articles always turn into "my system is better than yours" trollfests.

[Scotty056]

This article is pathetic.
It's a site called "planetxbox360" I can already tell you who they will pick as a winner. These Fanboy articles aren't news at all.

[jlemdon]

as I recall, graphics has nothing to do with the performance of the consoles.

PS3 fanboys cry KZ2 and Ucharted series but Splinter Cell looks just as good as Ucharted.

I'm glad I have both systems because I don't wanna be like you M$ and Sony fanboys.

[Silly gameAr]

......

[strickers]

You need to go and look at Splinter Cell again if you think it's even near Uncharted.The animations,textures and unsubtle lighting are quite a way behind.I own both systems since launch and what you are saying is not true.I've spent loads of time with UC2 and KZ and the fact is they look a lot better than anything on 360.People hold up Gears as such a power house but it's actually an art style triumph over tech.Going back to Gears 1 vs Resistance 1 everyone said how R1 was nowhere near Gears and in some ways it's true.Overall R1 certainly didn't look as good and textures were massively inferior but that doesn't tell the whole story.Even back then R1 had better AI,particle effects,physics,desructable scenery,larger levels,larger player counts and enemies on screen.It seems to me when talking about graphics many people look at the art/tech and say what they like the look of and argue it as technically.Gears 2 falls well short of UC2 and as PS3 games continue to look much better than 360 games these arguements make 360 fans look more delusional by the seond.

[infekt]

"Xbox 360 continues to dominate the Playstation 3 in worldwide sales"

LMAO. Okay little boy.. okay..

[skip2mylou]

"Unlike the 360, which simply gives you the choice of updating you’re game or signing out of Xbox Live" FU*K u man last time i remember u could also sign out of PSN and not download a update and last time i remember u can also skip updates. stupid fanboy trash

[FuckinUsername]

Just noticed your post after i posted mine >_> urgh lol

[skip2mylou]

LOLOLOLOLOL 2 disagreeesssss!!!!! for something that is true

[FuckinUsername]

". Unlike the 360, which simply gives you the choice of updating you’re game or signing out of Xbox Live"

If you hit cancel on the update..it signs out out aswell...Someone's been misinformed...

[memphis2]

sounds like another fan boy of 360...go figure bashing on sony and said nothing negative out 360 itself. go back to your drawing board fan boy

[gameman]

very clear that's the bot's wish we all know by know that japan Microsoft is getting their @ss kicked as much as pal region also not to mention the us so what dominating in worldwide sales that the xflop do ??? funny really that bot is very funny

as for the install the xflop don't install it's only making an image of the game in the THE that's so we can't call it a real install

[jlemdon]

funny fanboys, you guys arguing about graphics when it states the performance of the installed games....smh

also Splinter Cell Convictions look just as good as Uncharted 2.

[Pistolero]

I agree...that is another game I was watching a video of the other day and I think it looks like a top graphics contender...probably a lil better than Uncharted 2...but I still need to see more before I know for sure.

[jalen247]

If it improves the performance of the game, I don't see a problem with it. Every developer isn't built the same. Some have the talent to get the job done without a mandatory install while some don't have the talent. It is what it is. If you have a large harddrive I don't see what the problem is. Make a sandwich or Watch TV for a few minutes...etc

[Shendow]

I got a 500GB that says it can hold more then your 360, but then again I'm saving up to get a 1TB for my PS3 ^-^ d@mn right I'm crazy like that.

Installing isn't a problem or do people forget that they have to do it on a PC?? Anyways it helps cut the loading time of games and some games like Uncharted, Disgaea, FF13, MAG and many others don't install.

Its more of the lines, if they company knows how to work with the PS3 without have to install anything, then they can do it.

In the end, when theirs no install in most of the PS3 games, they look pretty darn good.

[ikral]

If game needs 5-min install, i´ll wait for five minutes, what´s the big deal? When Snake tells you: "Kept you waiting, huh?", you´ll forgive him everything.

[Makidian]

I have never really been bothered by installs but I guess I can see how some people could be. Updates however are nothing and usually take no more than minute unless it's a really big update and you are doing it douring a high traffic time. The only game I have ever wanted an install on is Bayonetta and the reasons speak for themselves (loading the pause menu WTF!) I like that he capped the article by saying the Xbox is leading in global sales, dude needs to check his facts, software maybe but it's only the leader in hardware by the lead it's generated from it's head start. I don't think the 360 has outstripped PS3 sales overseas in quite some time on a monthly basis and I don't even think it has a total lead over the PS3 anymore EU.

[Killman]

WOW, this article is so.........pointless. -_-

[baodeus]

so a ps3 fanboy counter an MS fanboy article with a PS3 fanboy article. LOL.

[ninetailfox]

I'm not going to point out the all the "facts" this article got wrong because several posters have done so already.

I just can't seem to put myself in the same mindset as these children who cry about mandatory installs. Have you people been diagnosed with A.D.D? If you can not be content with 10 minutes of relaxation, then you're the one with the issue; not the developer, not the ps3, not the game, not society. YOU. They're just installs, it's not that serious. Relax.

BTW, this article is pure flamebait. Full of opinion, not based on facts.

[DelbertGrady]

Sir, what are we waiting for? They are out in the open, why don't we open fire?

-Our systems are jamming, we need to update the firmware.

But Sir, if we don't attack now the gamers will get away!

-We'll just have to wait for the goddamn patches to download and pray to God that we run into them some other time, son. I didn't design this 'high tech' machinery, you know.

Affirmative, Sir. It's just that...yeah.

[SaberEdge]

@ninetailfox

Fair enough, but are you guys going to admit the same thing about multiple discs, which take even less time to switch than sitting through a mandatory install?

[pwneddemocrat]

i have both consoles and enjoying myself but you know you can just be offline and it won't force you to update ...
but for those mandatory updates like in mgs4 i know it's annoying but the end result is a top notch game.

[N4BmpS]

I agree That Installs are for the most part unbearable on the PS3 and the patches, my God the patches; I was trying to play a quick game with MW2 with a friend and I couldn't because I needed to update my PS3. I can get over it though, not all the games I bought needed an install but I still love "the 3" maybe Sony will fix this. I highly doubt this is the reason why the 360 is ahead in sales, if that was the case then the 360 would be in third, due to the ring situation; but that's not really the case.

[xg-ei8ht]

I didn't expect MGS4 To really use the PS3 to it's maximum.

I don't it's even close to it.

Character models are nice and has some nice particle fx, but texture wise,not even close.

I don't actually mind installs as long as your getting something for it. i.e better graphics.

[divideby0]

look at the source...bunch of clowns......
psst...UC2 ownz all my 360 games hands down...
and installs, I can do them on my 360 and my PC..
another clueless author from a clueless site....

[heroprotagonist]

But weren't you one of the people saying that having multiple discs was so horrible?

In any case, whether it was you specifically or not, PS3 fanboys in general are very hypocritical about this issue. They will attack the 360 all day for having a couple games that use more than one disc, but when the issue of mandatory installations comes up PS3 fans generally try to act like it is a non-issue.

[Anon1974]

I've noticed lately there's been a rash of accounts that haven't been used for 6 months to a year that have suddenly sprung to life again all within the last month or so with the sole purpose of bashing the PS3 and it's fans. What gives? Are you all the same guy who just has nothing better to do?

[Pillage05]

Installs for the most part don't bother me. I'd rather install it all at once and have really short load times when I get into the game. MGS4's chapters installs however are....kinda lame.

The thing that is more upsetting is if you buy an older game that has had some huge updates in the past. First time you stick in that disk, you'll sit through 5 minutes of install and get all excited to play then the update screen pops up...yeah, that kind of sucks too.

[pointypants]

oh man, i totally hated the loadings and installation in MGS4, when i say hated as i mean i just left the game and went to do something else.
other than that it was fine, yes, the user can skip the lengthy cutscenes.

[napoleon_ist]

oh really? what about Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 who both have been critically acclaimed as the best looking console games? not mentioning god of war 3's e3 demo or wipeout hd running in true 1080p.

where is the xbox360's graphical prowess, halo 3's 640p? don't be ridiculous you damn xtards.

[heroprotagonist]

"what about Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 who both have been critically acclaimed as the best looking console games?"

Mostly by PS3 fanboys. How many reviews specifically said they were the best looking console games? Very few.

I am not disagreeing that they are some of the best looking games around, I am just taking issue with your exaggeration of things.

Wipeout HD is not consistently 1080p for one thing. It has a dynamically throttled resolution. It is also much easier to do 1080p when other elements are fairly simplistic. The effects, lighting and textures are all decent in Wipeout HD, but they are not up to the level of other graphically advanced games.

I also think it is funny that you make fun of Halo 3 for running at less than 720p, yet in this very article you have people claiming that MGS4, which also runs at less than 720p, is among the top 3 best looking games on consoles and isn't equaled by anything on the 360.
Considering what Halo 3 does, it looks really good.

[Bullseye]

Seems like on certain games for PS3 you have mandatory install.This is obviously required for whatever reason, otherwise,you wouldn't make it mandatory,now would you? On the 360, you don't have any mandatory installs(not to my knowledge), but you can optionally install if you choose.Personally, I would always choose to install to the HDD.However, most 360 games don't seems to benefit too much from install,anyway.Well, not in loading times, but it does reduce noise and wear of DVD drive,I guess.So overall, I'd say the Blu ray drive is, on average, a bit slow at loading in the normal sense.On the other hand,their are certainly games on PS3 that don't require install that work perfectly.

[sikbeta]

Oh...Come On...

If people don't mind swaping discs, PS3 owners don't mind the installation of a game 1 time to play it whenever they want

[gamer2010]

Well ok, but before the PS3 fans turn around again and try to bash the 360 for multiple discs consider these things:

1. There are far more PS3 games that require mandatory installs than there are multi-disc games on the 360.

2. Switching a disc takes only seconds, while waiting for a mandatory install takes minutes.

3. Mandatory installs eat up your hard drive space. Multiple discs sit in their case and don't really affect you except when you have to switch one.

So, for those of you saying mandatory installs are no big deal I guess you can understand now why we think it is absurd for you to make an issue of a few games on the 360 being on multiple discs.

[so knee]

A day in the life of a waitstation 3. turn on console. wait for updates to download,okay done right? nope! saving to hard drive.... waiting.... go to psn (still in beta after 4 years).....waiting..... cool central plaza "lets go to the mall". to go to the mall you have to download it,okay ....waiting.... boring leaving mall loading central plaza.....waiting.... bowling sounds fun! now downloading bowling alley...waiting... screw this!got a new copy of batman arkham asylum.put game in im ready to play, NOPE! ANOTHER FREAKIN DOWNLOAD!!! you can't skip it. reminds me of the those FBI warnings on dvds. So i wait.....look at batman stills from the game like thats going to make me feel better,lol. still waiting.......fine forget it! i'll check my netflix, i have to have the netflix dvd in every time i want to check out movies ugh...waiting..... okay i'll put in a blu ray, oh make sure you have internet connection or your 30 dollar blu ray might not work because it might need a update and that means more....waiting..... and who in the world would spend 30 bucks on a blu ray disc when you can steam HD movies at a fraction of the cost?sounds like the end of blu ray disc. Also i played uncharted2 it looks like crap!!!! ooh wait a sec my bad. my $350.00 SUPER MEGA POWERFUL HD console didn't come with HD cables...hahahah the ps3 is a joke and so are you fanboys. maybe we can cross game chat sometime on PSN? OH WAIT! WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO THAT ALSO..

[Metfanant]

What about the fact that to get the full experience that is Forza 3 you are required to install almost 2GB of data??...meaning 360 arcade owners cannot lose out on 100+ cars and 2 tracks (including the ring)....and this is a first party exclusive title!!! yikes!!

[keysy420]

hey does a install even matter and unless your blind the ps3 is heads over heels ahead of the 360 in graphics

[gamer2010]

PS3 is "heads over heels" in love with the 360's graphics? Is that what you are saying? jk

But anyway, let's not exaggerate. The PS3 is a capable console but it hasn't shown itself to be superior to the 360. A console would have to show consistently better performance across the board to be considered truly superior (i.e. better graphics on a majority of multi-platform games and exclusives).

The PS3 not only does not have better looking multi-platform games, it actually generally has worse looking versions of multi-platform games.

Exclusive-wise instead of having consistently better looking exclusives, most are merely average and only a couple are exceptional.

No, the PS3 is not "heads over heels ahead of the 360 in graphics". If you were to actually own both machines you would laugh at that suggestion.

[bjornbear]

so irrelevant, pointless and incorrect.

however, it was very much needed to bring certain fanboys from out of hiding.

its like a "special-rights" parade for the 360 - all the "oppressed" come out and speak together xD

so sad.

[P_Bomb]

What's with all the disagrees on factually accurate statements like "you can press circle on PS3 to cancel/bypass updates and patches"?

Honestly guys.

You're just making PlanetXbox360's editor in chief look more biased by the minute as it pertains to his statement (in the article's replies) that N4G is full of only PS3 HHG lovin' fanboys.

You're not helping his cause, lol!

[Pistolero]

More 360 fans are in this article than usual because a big debate erupted...but everybody knows that there are far more PS3 fans on this site in general....it is plain as day....and as for those people that got disagrees for just statin facts...well from what I saw a lot of them didn't just say a fact...they also said things like "f*ck you"...or "this was written by an xbot"...or other stupid things like that.

[silvacrest]

this thread has been dominated by 360 fanboys, the amount of dissagrees is evident of this

[P_Bomb]

Happy to make your day. I was seeing the precursor to Uncharted's 3rd person cover system/shooting mechanic/stealth system/ammo pick up/limited hud (basically everything you claimed was a Gears exclusive) in action back in 2004 on '007 Everything or Nothing' and '007 From Russia with Love' for the PS2 and Xbox. TWO YEARS and 9 MONTHS before Gears launched.

Didn't any Gearsheads even own an original XBox?

Watch the gameplay video here http://www.youtube.com/watc... and put this Gears VS Uncharted chooching to BED already! Glen Schofield (who would go on to front Dead Space) beat both Cliffy B and Amy Hennig to the punch.

[bobdog626]

I Bought a PS3 and because of that Reason i took it back the the next day.I Hate long load time,s .Even in the middle of Fighing Games the PS3 would have to Load up.People who have a PS3 say it's Normal to them but People who have a 360 Know better.

[PirateThom]

In the middle of fighting games?

What?

You mean between fights? Like the 360 also has to do?

[bobdog626]

Your telling me this is not a Problem? Perfect Exsample look at Bayonetta that 4x BluRay drive vs 16x DVD drive is causing some Problem's .There is a Trade off when Sony went BluRay .If you look on the back of every BluRay Game you will see that part of the Game Must Install to the Hard Drive just to make up for BluRay slow 4x Drive .The 360 just load and Play.

[bjornbear]

you no longer have a PS3 =)

[Metfanant]

1. DVD and Blu-ray are entirely different when it comes to read speed of the discs...so a 1x Blu-ray is not the same as a 1x DVD...the Blu-ray in this case would be MUCH faster...

Add to that the fact that Blu-ray uses a Constant read speed across the entire disc, while DVD reads faster on some parts of the disc than others...when you average the read speeds across the entire disc...blu-ray is actually faster...

not all Blu-ray games require an install...in fact that vast majority of Blu-ray games do not require an install....

I now ask you sir...what your feelings about Forza Motorsports requiring an install or miss out on 100+ cars and 2 tracks?? that is a first party MS exclusive title...

2. Lets take a look at the PS3 firmware release schedule...

3.15 - December 10, 2009 (optional)
3.10 - November 19, 2009
3.01 - September 15, 2009 (just a fix for certain games for issues w/3.0)
3.00 - September 1, 2009
2.80 - June 24, 2009
2.70 - April 2, 2009
2.60 - January 21, 2009

thats it! 7 times in 2009 the firmware was updated!!...stop with the fanboy FUD...

[P_Bomb]

Mere minutes after you posted, I got a disagree for stating that '007 Everything or Nothing' predated certain Gears of War (and by default Uncharted's) mechanics by years. I even posted a youtube video as proof and still got a disagree. Guarantee that wasn't from one of PlanetXBox360's alleged "HHG lovin' PS3 fanboys". You gotta admit people are funny that way.

[stuffwithstuff]

This is a fu***** fanboy article.

[Bizmal]

Umm I bet ps3 has the best top 6 or 7 games in graphics. It's clear my xbox 360 has nothing more to offer over the ps3 in terms of graphics. Not only do some of my ps3 game look better then any thing on 360 they BLOW IT AWAY.

[MonopolyRSV]

Waiting for the install is just allowing the excitement to grow. It's a burden my 320 GB hard drive is designed to handle.

[silvacrest]

this is by far the worst "article" i have ever read, that includes the whole of 2009, its obviously from a biased website and the 360 fans have lapped it as if anything said was true

[gtamike123]

It's up to developers to add installs for games.

Tekken 6 for PS3 has a optional install in options menu.
Uncharted 2 has "No Installs and No Loading times" when levels change and the graphics look damn good. (beats any 360 game graphics)

At the end of the day all PS3 owners can upgrade their HDD and has a HDD.

Not all 360 owners have a HDD so some games they can't play
Also max HDD is 120GB and have to buy M$ high price one.

Don't cry Xbots but it's true facts.

[Metfanant]

The xbox fanboys are out in force on this one...lets take a look at some facts before anyone thinks they are actually correct....

1. DVD and Blu-ray are entirely different when it comes to read speed of the discs...so a 1x Blu-ray is not the same as a 1x DVD...the Blu-ray in this case would be MUCH faster...

Add to that the fact that Blu-ray uses a Constant read speed across the entire disc, while DVD reads faster on some parts of the disc than others...when you average the read speeds across the entire disc...blu-ray is actually faster...

2. Lets take a look at the PS3 firmware release schedule...

3.15 - December 10, 2009 (optional)
3.10 - November 19, 2009
3.01 - September 15, 2009 (just a fix for certain games for issues w/3.0)
3.00 - September 1, 2009
2.80 - June 24, 2009
2.70 - April 2, 2009
2.60 - January 21, 2009

thats it! 7 times in 2009 the firmware was updated!!...stop with the fanboy FUD...

[starchild]

Everything you said about the differences between BLu-ray and DVD is true. However, where you go wrong is to say that "blu-ray is actually faster", because obviously it depends on what speed of Blu-ray drive and what speed of DVD drive you are comparing.

The fact is that it has been confirmed by developers multiple times that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is slower than the DVD drive in the PS3.

Here, take a look at this article http://www.gamedaily.com/ar... where a developer clearly states that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is slower. Here is the quote:

"Getting data off the Blu-ray drive takes about twice as long as it does to get the same data off the 360's DVD drive. That translates into longer load times, or god forbid if you're streaming from disk, tighter constraints on the amount of data you can stream."

Do you really think developers have just been lying about it? Also, if the PS3's Blu-ray drive is actually faster then why do so many multi-platform games have longer loading times on the PS3 than on the 360? For that matter, why are developers having to use mandatory installs?

I know you are just trying to defend the PS3 from what you consider unwarranted criticism, but unfortunately it is simply the truth. All consoles have pluses and minuses. This just happens to be one of the PS3's minuses.

[Eternally33]

What the point of approving this article what are you guys fuc!in retard or something.

[magicwalnuts]

he mentioned that he quit PC gaming for an Xbox.

Game installs on consoles generally allow for uncompressed textures which reduce load times. Depending on the developer they can choose to make the install mandatory for certain games so they can code their engine on the guarantee that CPU cycles wont be wasted uncompressing assets. This was always a huge advantage for the PC and one of the reasons why the games generally look better.

Games like MGS4 were designed so that the massive number of assets the game uses can be rendered without the limitations of having to read and then uncompress the environment information from the disk. Instead they can be called up from the HD faster and more efficiently.

Those saying that Unreal 2 powered games such as Gears 2 and Mass Effect 2 are better looking than games like KZ2, MGS4, and Uncharted 2 are dead wrong. A lowest common denominator mass used game engine designed to run on all systems will always be trumped, capability wise, by proprietary engines designed for a specific hardware set, or in the PCs case a highly scaleable set of hardware.

In fact the only 360 game that I can recall that uses technology specifically designed for th 360 is Halo 3, and that still doesn't even come close to games like Uncharted 2.

Oh and none of these games, not even Uncharted 2, are as advanced as Crysis. Some PS3 games come close, but I don't think we will be seeing any REAL improvement in graphics technology until the next xbox is developed which is still at least another 5 years down the road, considering how poorly that game sold.

[Eternally33]

Good point magicwalnuts, PS3 is just dominating over 360 and PC in terms of game quality.

[spunkee311]

As a owner of both consoles and more of a Playstation Fan than Xbox, I have to hand it to Xbox for being able to put the game in and play instantly.
I find it ridiculously annoying have to install these mandatory data installations. And I love how people are finding excuses for them. There are none. Its Developer Laziness.
Devil May Cry 4, Ultimate Alliance 2, GTA 4, MGS 4, Resident Evil 5 all have some ridiculously hefty data installations. You would think a 60 gig hard drive would be enough, but I recently had to upgrade to a 500 gig. And if you think about it, 500 gigs might not even be enough in 4 or 5 years time collecting all these data installs.
Now some people might say, you can just delete the data. But then what? Lets say I want to show my friend some cool story videos from DMC 4, I have to wait another 18 minutes to install again? When the 360 plays it instantly? There is no excuse. I miss 2006 07 when these data installs where unheard of. Now it seems every game is having them. And a game like Ultimate Alliance 2, which doesn't look good whatsoever, had a install. lol its ridiculous.
As for the patches, Yeah they take forever on the PS3. Ages. 360 has a patch and within 10 seconds its done and ready to go.
Like I said, I have to hand it to Xbox on this one. And this is coming from a playstation fan.

[magicwalnuts]

And that's the fact that reading data from an HDD is much more efficient and faster than reading from an optical disk. 60 gigs is peanuts and 500 gigs is not very much considering that you can stick any 2.5" HDD you want into a PS3. Being a PC Gamer myself I don't really understand the aversion people have towards installs. You do it once and then you don't even have to whip out a disk with which to clutter your gaming space, you just click a button and you're playing TF2 or whatever. However the simple fact remains that the insert and play format is a limitation these days as games require more muscle to render. Optical drives just can't be engineered to run at the rpm's required to stream the amounts of uncompressed data games use today.

[hazardman]

I don't like mandatory installs period, but it doesn't take away from your gaming experience. And is this generation going on GRAPHICS only..it seems like all the fanboys argue about is the way the game looks..whatever happened to story, and gameplay. Some of the most played games are not the best looking games around..

[magicwalnuts]

The point I was making was in the graphics technology realm. I'm not trying to say that the PS3 has a highr quality catalogue of games than the 360 and certainly not the PC. I'm just saying that in terms of consoles the PS3's modular HDD and install capabilities gives more leeway for devs who desire a more efficient way to render their games.

Id has voiced its concerns over how they will get Rage to run on the 360 and how good it will look, since they still have not figured out how to get around the reduced disk space on the DVD instead of the Blu-Ray/ multiple DVDs for PC install and the non mandatory installs, in addition to the relatively small size of the absurdly expensive 360 HDD.

[Eternally33]

of course you mean PS3 is more powerful then PC don't be silly.

[Tripl3seis]

oooh my this dude is misinformed? he said that the ps3 dosent show anything on the graphics department look at killzone2 that game is made by master minds and ooh god dont bring uncharted 2 to this one that game is made by aliens thats how fuk!n great the game looks is awesome. And btw i cant wait for god of war 3 omg!!!!! i want to see the video so bad lol

[Truth]

I remember the mandatory MGS4 installs. I had time to smoke a cig, piss, and make myself a sandwich during at least two. However, it was worth it. :)

[magicwalnuts]

I would never say such nonsense. It's hard to compare the graphical power of the PS3 to a PC since the PC is entirely modular, and the PS3 has a very different architecture from any normal computer (9 cores anyone?). But roughly the PS3 is about as capable as a mid to high end PC. While the 360 is directly comparable to PC hardware from 2 generations past, meaning a mid to low end PC. The specific architecture of the PS3 means that games like KZ2, MGS4, and Uncharted 2 would most likely bring the beefiest PC to its knees if they were ever ported to the PC, even though technologically superior games such as Crysis would be able to run on somewhat lower end hardware.

[Mr_Luke]

I don't know why 360 fanboys care about this. They haven't a PS3. And if they have they can choose the other system.
I guess only for me it's not a problem 5 mins of installation (whitout counting that many games now, over all 1st party, haven't it even).
Another flamebait? Seems so...

[Ashriel]

Ugh I can't believe people still complaing about MGS4's installs, it's not like you're forced to look at the screen while it's installing. And it's only once per chapter