Halo: Reach is Sony's New Nightmare

TMC: Let's begin with a simple question….Imagine yourself owner of a famous video games company, It doesn't need to be a specific one..any company that comes to your mind. Now ask yourself, should my multimillionaire video game company (X Name) fear the arrival of another video game on a rival console?

[Shadow Flare]

Absolute crap. The 360 couldn't even outsell the ps3 in 2007 when halo 3 released. And thats when there weren't so many good ps3 games out and the console cost $600. Now its $299 and it has Gran Turismo 5 releasing this year, a franchise halo can't even outsell. Call me when a halo game sells 15 million like GT3 did

[N4PS3G]

15 millions on a system with 150+ Million user base? Is that supposed to be impressive to you?

Halo 3 reached 10+ million sales in august of last year on a system with less than 1/3 of the ps2's user base ;)

[Shadow Flare]

But GT3 didn't release when there were more then 100 million ps3's around. It released 2 years into ps2's life when there were 20 million ps2's around. So GT5 could even top that

[N4PS3G]

and you think it sold 15 millions in 1 day? People stop buying games? Nobody bought the game after the release in 2001?

GT series sales are huge world wide...but bragging over a game that its life time sales topped 15 millions on a system with 150+ is not as impressive as a game that sold 10+ millions on a console with 39M userbase in less than 2-3 years ;)

[twoface]

Maybe that's because majority of xbox fans buy xbox360 mainly to play halo?
But not majority of ps3 fans buy ps3 just to play gt. That is, ps3 has a wider appeal

[Shadow Flare]

Well we'll see if halo 3 sells more then GT3 but remember people will start buying halo reach instead of halo 3 when it comes out. So don't get your hopes up. No halo game has yet outsold GT3, and the other GT games have all sold at least 10 million. So basically, I don't think sony is worrying at all about halo reach. Halo 3 didn't make 360 outsell ps3 in 2007 so the game doesn't effect ps3 sales as much as you might think/wish. Plus Gran Turismo 5, playstation's biggest game is releasing this year. No, sony's not worrying at all ;)

[FishCake9T4]

Oh Please. Stop Being a Fanboy. Any Halo game on 360 always finds itself at the top of the list of exclusive sales. Thats a fact. The game sells. Deal with it.

[deadreckoning666]

Its funny how PS3 fanboys say Halo is all sales and no quality, yet its the most critically acclaimed multiplayer franchise of the decade. When Uncharted 2 got a plethora of high scores, they would praise it, but when Halo gets high scores they bash it. Hypocrisy at its finest. Fanboys are the joke of the industry.

Edit: And since were talking about sales, as a PS3 owner I have absoulutely no problems whatsoever admitting that Sony will remain in 3rd place this generation and that Halo Reach will be the best selling game on 2010 in North America.

[Cyrax_87]

Actually Call of Duty easily stole that title from Halo. And I'm not a Halo hater by the way, I'll be picking the game up as a matter of fact.

[Saaking]

What a lame article. Reach will be awesome, but compared to PS3 exclusives? It doesn't stand a chance. Sure it'll sell lots, but in quality it won't even come close.

[BadboyCivic360]

Something new to fight over...and guess what,after all the fighting is over,MS and Sony will be cashing those checks and laugh at you guys for taking this so seriously...

[peowpeow]

@Saaking

Yeah? And you know that how?

[Christopher]

Halo hasn't stopped the PS3 so far, don't see another one mattering any more than the others already released.

[soljah]

what you guys are failing to realize is this. halo reach for all the big numbers it will do is not a system seller for ms. this will be what the 4th halo game on the 360. any one who wants to play halo reach has a 360 already.
i tell you what will sell systems this year.
god of war 3, gt5, last guardian, even twisted metal hd, and the new ip by rockstar north AGENT.

[Bigpappy]

How many did GT3 sell in the first year? When you say GT3 did not release when there were 1oo mil PS3, you are implying that it sold 15 mil upon release. You are trying to have it both ways.

[DMason]

Awww Saaking, I thought your New Years resolution was to quit being such a blatant fanboy and actually take things into perspective? Looks like that went out the door quickly.

Listen, I dont get why it's ok to say that GOW3 can be MS's new nightmare, but Halo Reach cant be the same towards Sony. They'll both be great games, they'll both sell well.

We all know that these sites are doing this on purpose. They dont have any other way of getting people to their site without posting opinionated flamebait articles. They dont have any real connections in the gaming industry. But what they do have is the rage of the fanboys, and scraps left over from other sites with integrity. Think of these sites like junkyard dogs. You are only feeding them.

@Shadowflare- I'd really like to see you not whine about something for once. It's getting really old.

[bpac123456789]

First of all halo reach is not a system seller. Everyone who wanted to play halo already owns a 360 and they've had one since halo 3 was released 3 years ago. This means that halo is NOT a threat to sony. Because the objective is to collect market share. This is what games like God of war 3, Gran turismo 5, and even final fantasy will do for the ps3. There are millions of ps2 owners who havn't yet switched to a next gen console. They've been waiting for game franchises that began on ps2 and carried over to the ps3. Why do you think MGS4 is the highest selling sony exclusive? Also I mentioned that final fantasy will be more of a system seller for sony because it began on the ps2. there arn't to many ps2 owners that are going to buy a 360 to play final fantasy when they can buy a ps3 and have the better experience and more familiar brand. This is sony's biggest year because they are releasing a ton of franchises that will see either there conclusion or there first major appearance on a next gen console.

[bpac123456789]

Just because a console has a larger install base doesn't mean that a game will or should sell more. It's determined by the makeup of that install base. The fact that halo 3 sold 10 million shows me that the majority of 360 owners where halo fans from the original xbox, and that 1/3 of the 360 demographic is made up of shooter fans. The fact that gran turismo sold 15 million on the ps2's larger install base tells me that the ps2 had a very DIVERSE demographic. It was made up of RPG fans, shooter fans, racing fans, action adventure fans, and more. So please don't try and downplay gran turismo's success because your looking at it from a very narrow perspective.

[FamilyGuy]

We say this ALL THE FREAKIN TIME, Anyone who likes Halo (and there are a lot of you) ALREADY HAS A 360. They might buy additional 360s, replacement 360s or even 360s for their family/friends as gifts but the ALL already have them. Halo reach is NOT a "system seller" so Sony has nothing to worry about with that particular game, even if it sells 15 million copies day one.

The 360s "system sellers" this year are Alan Wake and Splinter Cell Conviction.

The PS3s "system sellers" this year are"
God of War 3
MAG
Heavy Rain
The Last Guardian (if it comes out this year)
Final Fantasy 13 (even though it's multi it's still recognized and a Playstation game)
Final Fantasy XIV Online (to some degree)
ModNationRacers
Agent (if it comes out this year)

There's more I've missed but these are the main ones. Halo IS Xbox, Halo fans aren't waiting for Reach to drop to get their systems, plain and simple.

[WildArmed]

And the rest of the gaming industry should be WERY afraid of Wii Fit 2!! DUN DUN DUNNNN

[DMason]

You're extremely delusional if you think that all those game are system sellers for the PS3. 7/10 people havent even heard of those games that own a PS3. I think Sony has a better chance at selling systems when Avatar comes out on Bluray lol.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Way to go HHG..

See what you contribute to N4G? Nothing but garbage that breeds more garbage.

Anyways, couldn't help but laugh when the kid, i mean, author wrote up his "Top 10 best sellers or 2010" list.

Reach @ 1 and GT5 at 10? LOL!
Insecure much?

[N4PS3G]

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

[ThatCanadianGuy]

LOL! It's cute how you have that link all ready to go.

I bet you have it printed out and framed right next to your bed too lmao.

Anyways..

Worldwide sales
http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

Gran Turismo / 10 Million
Gran Turismo 2 / 9 million
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec / 14 million
Gran Turismo Concept Series / 1 million
Gran Turismo 4 “Prologue” / 1 million
Gran Turismo 4 / 10 million
Gran Turismo 5 “Prologue” / 4 million

You really think that B.S survey means ANYTHING? Especially MW2 outselling GT5 this year? lol..

[N4PS3G]

PS1- 102m user base
PS2 -150m user base
PS2 -150m user base
PS2-150m user base
PS2-150m user base
PS2-150m user base
PS3-2?m? 3?m userbase

When you stop living in the past and thinking the ps3 is the ps2 or ps1

try posting something better ;)

I don't think a network survey is 100% accurate or representative of the future but it's still better than yours....oh wait you don't have anything ;) Cmon post the survey of your company here! The one that shows GT5 in #1 ;) Cus you like making fun of a companies' surveys but yet fail to provide one from yours even when you are so certain of everything :O

If your not satisfy with the list write an email crying to gameaindustry or try to sabotage the survey :O

And you were thinking the list was created by the author! haha oh canadiankid..sometimes i forget how smart you are lol

[Cyrax_87]

..why do you keep using the 100 million userbase excuse for GTs sales? With this logic, wouldn't that mean GT4 should have outsold GT3 by a large margin considering the install base was larger since GT3s release? Also how come GT5P (released in PS3s 2nd year)has sold over double of what GT4P (released in PS2s 4th year) has sold?

What's your answer for this? Huge spin incoming...

[N4PS3G]

@ Dear Cyrax
Actually i'm more informed than you might think so there's no need to spin anything ;)

and if there was spinning to be made then lets just say you started spinning first by sayingthat the 100+m userbase is an excuse ;)

1. Gran Turismo 2 couldn't outsell Gran Turismo 1 either even with more consoles.
2.Gran Turismo 3 was released in 2001 and had 5 years with no console successor
to reach 15 millions.
3.Gran Turismo 4 was released in 2005 just a year before the ps3 was released leaving the poor game just over a year with no console successor to hit 10 millions.

So for me GT4 was a bigger success than GT3 selling 10M copies with only 1 year before the ps3 was released meanwhile GT3 has 5 years ;)

oh and won't even bring the fact that even thou both were good games...GT3 scored a 95 overall metascore and GT4 had lower scores with an average metascore of 89... yeah sometimes even lower scores decreases sales..but forget about this one..i'm just stretching the point..i think it's enough for you :)

4. You wonder why GT5 Prologue sold 2-3 times more than GT4 Prologue with such a small user base? Don't you feel like asking me...Hey if the ps2 had a 150m+...why couldn't it even outsell GT5 Prologue on PS3??

Easy..GT5P was released world wide * Including Europe,GT series biggest sales generator * and GT4 prologue was only relased in Japan,Sth Asia and Korea ;)

Pack your bags and go home man...you don't even have to try and spin it back... i'll let you go..its ok

[Cyrax_87]

"1. Gran Turismo 2 couldn't outsell Gran Turismo 1 either even with more consoles."

GT1 and 2 sold around the same amount, give or take a few thousand copies. I'd also like to know your excuse for GT1 selling 10 million copies by the way...

"2.Gran Turismo 3 was released in 2001 and had 5 years with no console successor
to reach 15 millions."

GT4P was released in Dec 2003 and GT4 was released Dec 2004 in Japan. That's three and a half years later, not five...someone's exagerating...

"3.Gran Turismo 4 was released in 2005 just a year before the ps3 was released leaving the poor game just over a year with no console successor to hit 10 millions.

So for me GT4 was a bigger success than GT3 selling 10M copies with only 1 year before the ps3 was released meanwhile GT3 has 5 years ;)"

Not exactly sure what you're going on about here >_>

"Easy..GT5P was released world wide * Including Europe,GT series biggest sales generator * and GT4 prologue was only relased in Japan,Sth Asia and Korea ;)"

Wrong, GT4P was released everywhere but NA. And it doeesn't matter anyways, the majority of sales goes to Europe, also the install base of the PS2 when GT4P was released was double the install base of the PS3 was GT5P released. Keep spinning mate.

And while you're spinning, GT1 still sold 10 million copies even though GT2 released just 2 years later. What's your excuse here? Geez, can't believe you got me talking about sales -_-

[N4PS3G]

"GT4P was released in Dec 2003 and GT4 was released Dec 2004 in Japan. That's three and a half years later, not five...someone's exagerating"

1. wtf are you talking about... I said GT3 had 5 years of sales without any sony console successor coming out... had 5 years of free sales to reach 15m before the ps3 was released. Get it?

2. GT4 only had over 1 year to reach 10m until ps3 was released and btw it was released on December 28 of 2004 and everywhere else on feb and march 2005....3 days before 2005 and that was just japan...you're not fooling anyone..it was 2005 and you can't spin that

GT2 couldn't even outsell GT1...with even a bigger user base..do you expect GT5 to sell so well with a crappy user base. You got every question from your question answered and did nothing but add useless info that didn't prove me wrong at all..just more sad spinning!

Keep spinning some more in there just for me ;)

why did GT5P sold more than GT4P...told you already...one was released world wide and the other one just in JP and EU.

You wanted to know why didn't Gt4 sold better if it was released later with more consoles..there you have it..you can't spin that

Come one spin how a does this big monster franchise of sales...biggest seller only sold 15m with a 150+ user base...or why GT4 only sold 10m on a 150+ userbase when halo 3 sold 10 million copies on a console with 1/3 of the ps2's userbase.

[Cyrax_87]

"1. wtf are you talking about... I said GT3 had 5 years of sales without any sony console successor coming out... had 5 years of free sales to reach 15m before the ps3 was released. Get it?"

Fair enough, so with this logic Halo 3 should sell 15 million, right?

"2. GT4 only had over 1 year to reach 10m until ps3 was released and btw it was released on December 28 of 2004 and everywhere else on feb and march 2005....3 days before 2005 and that was just japan...you're not fooling anyone..it was 2005 and you can't spin that"

There's no spinning the date I listed, is still it's release date and even with the other dates it still makes GT4 release around 3 1/2 years later then GT3 - NOT 5 YEARS. Now you've got me saying the same things over and over, why? Because you keep spinning. Stop being delusional and actually try arguing against my comments.

"GT2 couldn't even outsell GT1...with even a bigger user base..do you expect GT5 to sell so well with a crappy user base. You got every question from your question answered and did nothing but add useless info that didn't prove me wrong at all..just more sad spinning!"

like I already said, GT1 and 2 sold around the same, give or take a few thousand copies. and GT5 will sell fine with this "crappy userbase". If GT3 can, why can't 5?

"why did GT5P sold more than GT4P...told you already...one was released world wide and the other one just in JP and EU."

Did you even read my comment?! GT4P was released everywhere IN THE WORLD BUT NA. And when it was released, the userbase of the PS2 was DOUBLE the amount that the PS3 was when GT5P released. Keep ignoring my points, it's hilarious.

"Come one spin how a does this big monster franchise of sales...biggest seller only sold 15m with a 150+ user base...or why GT4 only sold 10m on a 150+ userbase when halo 3 sold 10 million copies on a console with 1/3 of the ps2's userbase."

And I'm talking to a brick wall...GT3 was released when the freaking userbase was 20 something million. NOT 150 million, 20 million. AND GT4 was released 3 and a half years later. What, you think everyone just skipped GT4 and kept buying GT3 for another 5 years? No, you failed, just face it.

And to answer your question about GT4 only selling 10 million (ROTFL..."only 10 million"), it was released when the 360 came out, followed by the PS3 a year later. Also the PS2 has a massive variety in games...not just Gran Turismo.

And to answer your question on Halo 3's sales...it was a new iteration on a new console. It did the same thing that GT3 did when it was released. Oh and when Halo 3 released the 360 userbase was actually BIGGER then what the PS2 had when GT3 released.

Now that I've proved you wrong again, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions which you skipped because you've obviously got no way to spin them...

[ifhd]

lol another HHG.

[Xi]

gt3 aspec with the original (hence like the wii it sold more)
and gt4 with the slim (again selling more)
even prologue and the psp version were bundled.

[aaron5829]

Sony must be so scared now... they will piss their pants... they wont be able to sleep at night...

because MS is going to have ANOTHER HALO !!

Beyonce all of a sudden makes so much sense..

"Everywhere I'm looking now
I'm surrounded by your embrace
Baby I can see your halo
You know you're my saving grace

You're everything I need and more
It's written all over your face
Baby I can feel your halo
Pray it won't fade away

I can feel your halo halo halo"

Great song.. :)

[MetalGearRising]

Poor sony and there last gen games also a weak 2010 games line up can't stop Halo Reach from being 2010 G.O.T.Y Winner it's in the bag.

[THC CELL]

Yawn

MGR its the start of 2010

This year ps3 will see games like GT5 and God of war
the wand will have games that will sell as much as wii games like wii sport
yes i feel sony will cut the price of a ps3 and then add wands and a wii sports game

FF13vs is coming also a game that will rip halo

Killzone 3 will come
Resistance 3 and other games

Xbox has halo what is getting very boring now and Reach will only have a GFX update that STILL wont top uncharted one GFX
step

[3sq]

So what was the Sony's old nightmare? Halo ODST? LMAO.

[morganfell]

Halo was born in the fires of last generation. This should be familiar...

http://slopemedia.org/wp-co...

Xbox 360 defined.

And the author of this article should be ashamed.. When you have so little journalistic integrity that you are reduced to ripping off hiphopgamer for ideas then it is time for you to re-examine your worthless life.

[Pennywise]

What is this crap? This and HHG article need to go.

[THC CELL]

Halo is the only thing that can save xbox

bungie Halo is getting Boring now come on pack it in make something that will Top call of duty

mag is a lot better than cod and halo but people are useless judging a game before they hit the high levels cause deep down there fooking nubs and useless and need easy games so u can get kills

Mag owns any game at this moment with its online and will be very hard
second is kill-zone then resistance
Sony has the best online gaming
xbox just bling up and hope ( funny how people fall for such a crap service)

the only game that was 32 players on xbox was fules of war PFTTT that game was worst than Haze

it makes me ill cause deep down IW can make call of duty 32 players online on ps3 but xbox will cry and moan

[JeffGUNZ]

great concept, but poor execution. Better play out than the beta was. MW2 and Halo 3/odst are the best online right now and all the masses are showing that. MW2 is the most played online game for PSN and Live.

Also, Halo isn't saving the 360. With Natal coming out, Fable 3, Mass Effect 2, SPlinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake, Crackdown 2 360 users have plenty of AAA content to play.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 has a lot of amazing games coming out as well. Stop hating the 360 because you only have a PS3. So juvenile.

Please tell me how Sony has the best online gaming? You are so blind by your passion for Sony it' borderline pathetic. Every respectable PS3 owner admits that Live is the superior version. PSN is good, but not nearly as developed and community based as Live. Grow up.

[DigitalAnalog]

Decent at best nothing we DON'T know about. Geez it's like saying "walk when the light's green".

***I see it's approved by a few questionable characters JUST for the title. Ironically the article itself CONDEMNS that very action as well.

-End statement

[cliffbo]

so sad

[NotSoSilentBob]

Sony didn't worry in 2007 when Halo 3 was released and the ps3 still outsold the 360. After watching the abysmal sales/launch of ODST I highly doubt anyone is going to shake in their boots but MS as they are struggling to just get traction.

[Obama]

Sales Sales, when you take away quality, the only thing left is sales.

[Troll_Police]

ODST couldn't outsell Halo 3 so how can Reach outsell Halo 3? And before anyone say "but ODST wasn't a full game", then I ask why was it full price?

[Xi]

and that's been one of the driving factors behind sales.

ODST was a full game, but people who played halo 3 only for the online didn't see the value. Just like people who didn't buy prologue didn't see the value, even though it was marketed as a bargain title.

[Obama]

The Halo series is like Britney Spears. Used to be good, but now just a ugly hag attracting only the most naive fans.

[Optical_Matrix]

How when ODST or Halo 3 had little effect on PS3's momentum. How will a new Halo Spin off do that? Sony have so much going for them the ONLY thing I think that would be their nightmare is either another exclusive or two stolen and or a price cut by MS.
But Halo? It will generate a lot of software sales among its fanbase but Nintendo and Sony shouldn't care a flying f*ck about it.
Such a POS article.

[xgodofwar4sss]

halo can reach thesess n*TS halo blows

[jimbone]

Wow man, what an insightful, well though out response. Do the world a favor and jump off a high building. This is why the world looks at us (America) the way they do. Pure ignorance, do you know what ;ignorant person.,is the definition for....JUST SAYING.

[KnightOfAlbion]

This will be even funnier when this gets approved... jeez.

[LordMarius]

done!

oops...

[kavka3]

is just .....ughhh ...just a fail.

[gnothe1]

i dont get the mentality of the sony only guys here, all its about with them is sales an graphics, last gen all those graphics didnt help the xbox 1, the PS2 destroyed that system even tho the difference between the xbox 1 an the PS2 was greater than the difference between the 360 an the PS3. an as far as sales go, I dont know how you could look at this as anything other than a win for MS. the xbox 1 topped out at 24 million consoles, the PS2 is sitting at 150 million right now, thats more than a 6 to 1 ratio. if the PS3 manages to just TIE the 360 MS would have taken a total PlayStation domination an split the market 50/50, how can that be bad for MS.

the PS3 has uncharted an KZ2, both games look really good, but those 2 games aint worth having the worse multiplats an lesser online that the PS3 currently has,multiplats make up about 80 percent of a consoles games, so the few great exclusives the PS3 has isnt worth the whole catalog of multiplates that the 360 have thats overall better than what the PS3 has!!

[Tony-A]

A blog making a rebuttal against HHG to reassure themselves of their console purchases... what else is new.

[Pumbli]

Poor Sony!

First Halo 3, then Halo Wars, after that Halo ODST and now it's Halo Reach... How will Sony survive this tsunami of Halo games?

Find out next time on HHG, as HHG also tries to grow a brain and tie his shoelaces.