Project Natal vs PS Motion Control: Which has more potential?

Project Natal and PS Motion controllers are both coming out 2010. But based on what the two companies have shown us thus far, which one has the most GAMING potential? Which one will bring in the Wii casuals? Which one is better? The video below makes it obvious. Enjoy.

[Bungie]

i go with innovation

i think NATAL will bring something new to the table

that's just my opinion

[krouse93]

Natal is just the PSEYE or EYETOY with no controller....

[sinncross]

At this moment in time I say the PS3 Sphere mainly because Sony has showed that it has a wide applicability range.

I am still at a loss as to how the Natal can play games like Halo and Gears of War. Until MS can show this to me, I'm more in favour of Sony's attempt in all honesty.

[deadreckoning666]

Well, the PS Motion Control will be better out of the gate because of its accuracy, but Natal will EVENTUALLY become as good as the PS Motion Controller once developers learn how to take full advantage of it.

And obviously M$ will advertise Natal like mad and they'll get the media on their side, thus getting the casuals on their side, thus generating more sales than the PS Wand. Also, Natal is taking a BIGGER risk than Sony to innovate. I applaud risk-taking.

In the end, the Wands have more POTENTIAL, but Sony's gunna have a hard time of convincing the mainstream of that once Natal drops and people are gaming with NO controller.

[MaximusPrime]

i'd rather hold something physical.

i dont want to be like this grandma in this demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[deadreckoning666]

@Bungie- If I had to chose one, I'd chose the Wands(mainly because I only have a PS3 right now). But I don't understand why any self-respecting gamer would AT LEAST want to give Natal a try. In all honesty none of us have a strong opinion of either since we haven't played either yet.

"Natal does not have a chance."

Ur a funny man. U do know there are more 360s in American households than PS3s right?

And ur saying Natal won't have a chance. The 360 community is USED to being nickled and dimed by M$ thus the 360 community spends MORE money on add-ons than the PS3 community. Therefore, more 360 owners will buy Natal than the number of PS3 owners that will buy the Wands.

U should rethink ur statement.

[Lou-Cipher]

Considering that there is absolutely nothing Natal can do that Sony's Motion tech cant, but there is alot of things Sony's Motion tech can do tht Natal cant.

Considering that Sony's Motion tech will have 35-50 games available before Natal even comes out.

Considering you can Port several Wii games over to Sony's Motion tech, but cant port over to Natal.

Considering that Natal is riddled with lag, and Sony's Motion tech has the most accuracy of any Motion controls.

And knowing that the Eye Toy was a joke that nobody enjoyed, I think it is fair to say.

Natal does not have a chance.

[Saaking]

I'll put it very simple for everyone:

1. Natal is just a more advanced version of the PSeye

2. The PS wands are just a more advance version of the Wii mote.

Simple enough? I choose neither. Unless I see something really revolutionary, I'll just stick to the Dualshock and 360 gamepad.

[Homicide]

The wand is just a wiimote.

[Saaking]

Yes, it's just a more advanced Wiimote. Just like NATAL is a more advanced PSeye. Get it?

@Cold

If you already have a wii why would you need Natal or the wands? You already have motion controls don't you? So what's the point?

[Cold 2000]

I already have a Wii, dont need Sony's wand.

[presto717]

or hannah montana sing along. thats all I can think of. The ps3 wand however would be really nice for a hardcore gamer like myself. Just imagine playing demons souls with two wands, one in each hand. OMG. That would be too awesome

@MaximusPrime

I know right? There are so many things the Wand can do. The LBP demo was sick!! I'm really excited about it.

[MaximusPrime]

@presto717:

Sony already shown a demo of LittleBigPlanet using a PS Gem (or Sphere)
I think its pretty good for family fun.

check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Arnon]

Really?...

"The device features an "RGB camera, depth sensor, multi-array microphone, and custom processor running proprietary software", which provides full-body 3D motion capture, facial recognition, and voice recognition capabilities. The Project Natal sensor's microphone array enables the Xbox 360 to conduct acoustic source localization and ambient noise suppression, allowing for things such as headset-free party chat over Xbox Live."

"The depth sensor consists of an infrared projector combined with a monochrome CMOS sensor, and allows the Project Natal sensor to see in 3D under any ambient light conditions. The sensing range of the depth sensor is adjustable, with the Project Natal software capable of automatically calibrating the sensor based on gameplay and the player's physical environment, such as the presence of chairs."

"The skeletal mapping technology shown at E3 2009 was capable of simultaneously tracking up to four users for motion analysis, with a feature extraction of 48 skeletal points on a human body at a frame rate of 30 hertz. Depending on the person's distance from the sensor, Project Natal is capable of tracking models that can identify individual fingers."

There has also never been an actual report of a previewer experiencing lag whatsoever (from what I've seen) with Project Natal's demos such as Burnout Paradise.

Natal also has support from over 12 major developers such as Activision Blizzard, Bethesda, Capcom, Disney Interactive, Electronic Arts, Konami, MTV Games, Namco Bandai, Sega, Square Enix, THQ, Ubisoft, EPIC Games (As Mark Rein stated, "All our future games will support Natal."), Rare and Lionhead Studios.

So how exactly is Natal going to fail?

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

The one that is most accurate has more potential, so obviously the PS3 motion control.

[Milky Joe]

Neither! I have developed my very own motion tracking device for use with games console! It is called the Gyroscopic Boobitiser and it allows for full body tracking and voice recognition. It also has full button input so you can reap the benefits of a handset, but there is no handset or buttons so you are completely free to move around! The only thing you need is the device itself which connects to your microwave and amplifies the electromagnetic radiation to detect motion. You do also need a full body hazard suit to protect yourself from the potentially-dangerous rays but it's a small price to pay for innovation.

It's launching next february with a host of titles including new games such as Pac-Cat and Titris as well as games from more established series' including a sequel to the critically acclaimed Super Rub-a-Dub, taglined "Bath Time Blood Bowl", and the latest entry into the Duke Nukem series, "Duke Nukem: Just Never, okay?"

I'm anticipating limited supply so get those preorders of £200/$400 in ASAP!!

[lowcarb]

Until i see both in action with games made for each I'm going to have to agree with you.

[sikbeta]

·Natal is an Upgrade of the PS Eyetoy, more tech and all but moving like an idiot doesn't make gaming more enjoyable

·PS D!|dø is just that, a D!|dø, the same cr@p like teh wii-mote without nµn-chuck and The WORST thing, it doesn't have an Analogue stick

Motion-control-gaming = SHOVELWARE

[RememberThe357]

But you need Natal?

It all depends on how their used. They could both be used is some really cool ways but it'll be up to developers to decide whether they're going to make shovelware or real games.

Natal could be used to interact with the game but on full control it; that could be left to the 360 controller.

The PS3 wand showed what looked like a pretty cool demo using a flashlight which now makes me think of the new Silent Hill game for the Wii that looks really good.

@below: That same developer said this:

"'I was actually more impressed with Sony’s motion capture solution than Microsoft’s Natal,' he said as part of this week’s Develop Jury Service.

'[Natal is] exceedingly clever, but the lag on the input and lack of physical buttons is really going to restrict the kind of games that can be done with it,' he added, before going on to praise Sony’s (currently nameless) alternative."

So there is much more to be said.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

What Traveller's Tale director had this to say:

“The software behind Natal stunned me,” added Burton. “To be able to take effectively a bump-map of a person and turn that into a fully articulated and rigged polygonal skeleton is an incredible feat. We run a mo-cap studio and to get anything resembling mo-cap, live in real-time, from effectively a single camera is nothing short of amazing.”

enuff said!

source: http://www.develop-online.n...

[randomwiz]

imho, i'd love to see natal work perfectly, but it's going to be tough for developers to work with something like that.

For Natal to be successful, Microsoft needs moer 1st party studios, or needs a damn good SDK.

[Government Cheese]

The Wii already is in control of the 'motion control crowd'. This is just a bunch of copying by MS and Sony to steal some of that fanbase, but I'd rather them not bother and just stick to normal control schemes, but whatever.

[lowcarb]

That's some good spin saying they both suck lol. You see the sphere is nothing more than like Saaking said a Wiimote with better accuracy. Natal is a completely different beast that actually goes well beyond anything eyetoy could ever be and will bring new life to 360 visually and gameplay wise. Just because you know the PS3 sphere will suck because it's a wiimote does not mean you have to claim they both suck. You obviously no nothing about Natal or your playing dumb out of pride. It's just hilarious how every time something on PS3 doesn't add up they both have to suck. Hopefully we will see some games soon to really see whats going on but your view are backwards.

edit above gov cheese: The Wiimote is not the 1st motion controller to exist. The sphere I will admit is nothing more than a copy cat but Natal goes beyond anything the Wii thought of being.

[sikbeta]

Sorry for not thinking that both are the HOLLY GRIAL OF GAMING as you do

IF someone WANT Motion-Control Gaming, wii is valid option, Nintendo came first with this, so why now everyone is trying to copy this

What gamers can win with this?
Maybe, shovelware games instead of great games that deserve $60

At the beginning of this motion-madness, I thought it's going to be OK if is implemented in REAL Games, but then what I see about the "wand" don't convince me

Sorry, but I think using the "wand" in one hand an the DS3 in the other to play a game, is JUST STUPID

And after watching M$ E3 Conference about Natal and the "xbox avatar shoe" cr@ppy glitch, that was even worse

The stupid avatar had one leg behind the neck (???), imagine playing Gears and after shooting, Marcus get wounded by his own Lancer, is going to be the more annoying thing ever lol

Well that's my opinion, I can't do anything to prevent this new trend to convert Gamers into Casuals, enjoy both for me

[aceitman]

bestbuy online

[masterofpwnage]

well i hate ps eye so
im sure not going to like natal
i like the wii and the wii mote so im sure going to get ps motion controll
i think
natal more to kids because dam i dont think grown men or teens or 17 to 19 year old would want to that whole moving aroung unless there with friends trying to have fun.
but i think it will get boring.

ps motion. well i like the wii and playing resident evil is fun with it so yeah, i can also see it more of you playing it by your self and with people around. and i also saw a demo of it where is like aln wake with the whole flash light thing but in first person.

but all in all who cares. is just motion controll. alot of you guys bash the wii for having it and now ps fanboys want it and alot of 360 fanboys bash the ps eye, but now they want it.

to tell you the truth i dont think harcore gamers is not really hardcore gamers if they are fighting over a motion control

[DaTruth]

Natal is just a more advanced PSeye!

Motion wands is just a more advanced Wii-mote!

Which one, the PSeye or Wii-mote has ever been successful?

You have your answer!

But this is exactly what we were all worried about when we saw the ridiculous Wii sales; The end of hardcore gaming. I own a PS3 and Sony has 2 sequels to games that never sold well. But MS is where the money's at, so I feel real sorry for you all! Sony will continue making stuff I like whether it sells or not! Once something can make back the money, Sony doesn't lose a dime and it makes some gamers happy; They will continue producing!

[ThanatosDMC]

HAHAHAH! Bungie's so funny. I swear, i think he's Why Dis or Crabs.

Anyway, 1:1 with the PSdil would be nice and apparently Natal would mocap properly... but hell do i care, i think standing around while playing a game will be a pain in the ass. I could just jog around the bayou or campus for that...

[itisa]

Only to some of the people in a controlled and closed environment.Why all the secrecy.Natal is not working as advertised?

[DMason]

Playstation site claims Playstation product is better. How original.

[kparks]

Come on man!! i seen most ur videos on youtube im a ps3 owner and your obviously a ps3 fanboy and i dont know how this got approved u cant make a video of yourself and put it on N4G who keeps approving these things

[marinelife9]

That has to be the video of the day. I rolled when I saw the ending.

[spacetattoo]

For one, half of you don't own a xbox 360, so of course your going to answer the question as going for ps3 wand, I own both consoles, so with that being said.

I like how ps3 is more for hardcore games but who said you couldn't pick up a xbox 360 controller and stand up and use it as you are playing a game. not only that but you could use anything u want to simulate a experience. Either way I like the controller and will stick with it for hardcore games.....

for the casual games, I think natal has it in the bag.. holding on to a wand and hitting buttons is just another wii... a controller free experience is huge to people that can't use controllers or are just not good with them.

This will bring in people like my mom who has tried to play xbox or ps1 and just gave up due to button mashing and frustration. She already seen it on good morning america and wants one. So there you go a sale that is going to happen which would have never with a controller.....

either way, none of you are thinking outside the box. Natal has been talked about so much and most people never even heard of the ps3 wand.

So knowing that, who do you think is going to sell out the door? remember people are, no matter what your gamer needs are, are going to see the ps3 wand as another wii..
Natal is going to sell millions and not only that but it will make japan hop on the xbox 360 band wagon.....

with all the triple AAA titles and natal from M$, do not count them out.

THE PEOPLE BUYING NATAL DON'T CARE ABOUT HARDCORE GAMES...
THATS WHAT YOUR TO BIASED TO SEE.

Like I said, hardcore games need a controller and to put the wand and natal in that category is kind of missing the point, maybe you can use it but it doesn't mean you should. It would be fun until your nerding it out on MW2 and you are out of breath in 10 min. You will
just switch to your regular controller...

there you go. both will be cool but natal is new tech and new tech with the right backing sells well....

THIS ARTICLE IS FROM A PS3 SOURCE THAT IS AS BIASED AS YOU CAN GET

@Arnon I AGREE WITH YOU BUT THIS SITE IS REALLY BIASED AND YOU COULD SHOW THEM A MIRACLE AND SONY WOULD SHOW THEM A PIECE OF CRUD AND THEY WOULD CHOOSE SONY. Non like like you or me, this site doesn't understand a good piece of technology when they see one.

[The Happy Baby]

lol. I guess thats how he gets all the ladies.

Waste of 14 mins. I truly hoped I would get something out of this, but alas, nothing.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

A blog called playstation university will say the ps3 wand has more potential.

[mrv321]

Which will have more potential? No offence being a gamer I am ok with a controller and mouse so if I'm perfectly honest neither for me.

[DatNJDom81]

INJURIES ARE GAURENTEED!

[PAPERCHASER0396]

Let's take a simple game of kick ball or even tennis... played online with natal are you telling me natal will be able to respond quickly enough to be fair to each player?....hell no... I have not seen an online versus demo yet or can somebody direct me to one.. and what about peer to peer servers does this create problems for Natal?

[ThanatosDMC]

Remember the wiimote incidents with their TVs? Imagine people complaining about flinging their whole bodies at the tv and complaining! It'll be funny and moronic.

[reintype]

NATAL: Camera
Playstation Motion Controllers: Camera + Wand

It's fairly obvious which one has more potential. While one can only do camera-based motion controls, the other can do that plus a whole lot more. Anyone who even thinks otherwise, needs a new brain.

[deadreckoning666]

I agree reintype, but which one do you think the mainstream will BELIEVE has more potential?

@gold5225- "Natal is just the PSEYE or EYETOY with no controller...."

The Wii is just a GAMECUBE with Motion Controls, yet its been dominating this generation..whats ur point?

[ZombieAutopsy]

Neither, theyre both gimicky peripherals that most likely wont catch on unless they are bundled with every console from launch....but thats just my opinion.

[TheXgamerLive]

even though the media ONLY talks about the XBOX "NATAL", and I've not even heard of what was it ps motion, lol, well i'll guess the biased ps supported droid will say the ps. ok, now I'll go and watch it and come back with an edit if I'm wrong.

edit HAAA HA, I was sooo right, lol, and the dude whom I swear with them ears is a disney character was trying to pretend what you saw w/natal was a finished product, you saw concept footage giving an example of it's uses, but dumbo only loves the sony dildo, ha ha, and wow was he boring, i almost lost it 3 times.

end result, natal has phenominal possibilities, and the sony dildo, well i can't say, i really saw nothing except some copies movies from the Wii.

[Wrathman]

hmmmmm

[EvilBlackCat]

OMG this guys think he is the smartest dumbo in the room.

Whats next? Morganfell giving us some videos too?

People complain about Natal been a copy of the Eye Toy... HEY MORONS what with the NEW motion Control from PS3? Dont tell me that is different from the Wiimote!

HEY N4G... Why dont you guys instead of giving us GamerZone and OpenZone just give us one fncking zone because your PS3 ignorant fan base is treated with privilege.

[Mike134nl]

Simply because it allows for more creativity, this will ofcourse depend on the willingness of the developpers to spend time and sources on natal.
most importantly the software will need to be exceptional if they want to eliminate any potential lag.
One of my other concerncs with natal is definitely the accuracy.

Concerning the "gem" it has some similar problems like mentioned in the video that the camera will need to see the controller(s).

Find it a shame that the newton motion controller (from motus games) never made the market.

[sinncross]

I don't think the PS3 motion controller needing to be seen by the camera is a problem of any kind.

If you are playing a game you'll be directly in front of, or in that vicinity, of the screen. What could you possibly do. besides being distracted or bored that would possibly make you move further away from the screen, or to not look at it?

[unrealgamer58]

natal is a ps eye toy upgrade thats it.
and to be brutally honest I fail to see the big deal between the two.

@deadreckoning666
since when does america= the entire world (granted the largest one that buys gaming hardware). For example the ps3 out sold the 360 worldwide despite beating it in america (which in all honesty put up a hell of a fight in 360's strongest territory)

[deadreckoning666]

@unreal- I live in America, why should I care about sales anywhere else????

"natal is a ps eye toy upgrade thats it."
As I said before

The Wii is just a Gamecube with MOTION CONTROLS and its beating out the 360 and the PS3, the console that "Does Everything".

[PhoenixDevil]

So I'm not really interested in getting eithier, however the RTS idea with the wands (PS3 Gems, rumored to be called) thats good and I would love to b able to do that, would be very nice to see. other wise i think both wont do very well mainly coz the wii has the casual market already, kudos to MS n sony for making the tech but i dnt think its gona be anything mager

[SilverSlug]

Like how you have to be far back so it sees your toes to play. Not many people have that sort of room. Not to mention, it has not been tested in low dim light.

The Sphere, the reason it has the GLOWING ball is not so it can 'change colors' and 'look like a clown p*nis', its so if its dark, it TRACKS the light.

Brilliant.

Natal? We shall see.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

You obviously know little about Natal along with the little kid in this video..

Natal does not need to see your whole body and that is one of the strong technical differences between the Eye Toy and Natal. Natal does a skeletal mapping of your body and can extrapolate where your hands and feet are without even seeing them based on your skeletal structure.

Additionally Natal has been demoed in almost a completely dark room at the request of IGN to see how it works in low light. Worked according to them with no problems.

Natal is not even in the same cheap ballpark as the Eye Toy. The PS3 Eye is better but still not Natal's tech.

I am not going to say one is better than the other until I get to see them in their consumer stage and being played with games.

[SilverSlug]

Behind close doors etc.

No, it is not required to use the full body, the few playable demos shown to the public DO use the full body.

Natal is just an Eyetoy, looking at your username, I'm not shocked that you are worshiping the device.

[TheBand1t]

....:/

The only system GEC owns is a PS3. He sold his 360 due to the reliability issues.

He's one of the most impartial gamers I know.

[monfa]

A little after the release of Natal Microsoft will start releasing $100 tracking gadgets for real games ;)

[Blaster_Master]

I just got done putting in 15 hours in Dragon Quest Swords The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors and I must say even without motion plus the game is the shiznit. Now add Sony's true 1:1 motion with 1080p graphics, and I get this overwhelming urge to go in the corner and you know the rest.

[green]

My only concerns with Natal seem to have been addressed namely

support - Activision, EA, Bioware, Bungie,Ubisoft, Konami, Capcom, Kojima Productions and Yasuhiro Wada have all pledged support for it. But it remains to be seen how soon their games will release and how much innovation they can provide

physical controls - Playing with only Natal will be great for some games but i can see it translating well to every single genre. Microsoft have said several times that there will be Natal only games, Natal+Controller games (hybrids) and controller only games. That to me is brilliant.

Price - If that leaked document reported by MCV a few weeks ago is true about Natal costing between £30-£50 is true, then they sure will get my money.

My problem with the Sony Wand however comes down to

Support: I have not heard a lot of 3rd parties show any enthusiasm over the product and Ubisoft has gone on record to say they will have 4 - 6 games both casual and core games for the device in 6 months but 10 for Natal.And the release line-up that Sony showed for the wand was pretty unimpressive, though i know they will have more games later. But the wand can not rely on 1st party alone.

2nd price/multiplayer gaming: The PSeye costs £39.99, now how much is the wand going to cost? My bet is £15 but i will not use the wand with the controller, so i will have to buy 2. Now can one PSeye track multiple wands they way Natal can track multiple players or can it only track 2? Because i always buy 4 controllers for every console i have ever owned that supports 4 player gaming for when my friends come over, so do i have to buy 4 pseyes and 8 wands?Thats over £240.

But as i said, i am enthusiastic to see what they come up with because i believe graphics are fine the way they are, so the gaming experience needs to be pushed in a new direction and i believe motion devices is the way to go.

[TheBand1t]

Your 2nd point is semi-correct. However, I believe Sony stated that multiple wands can be tracked by one PSEye. So no....I doubt you'd need 4 eyes.

[green]

"That's according to a developer brief leaked on Kotaku, which goes on to reveal that the wand will have rumble and up to four controllers can be used at once.". http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... . So that will be 2 psEyes and 8 wands.

"Sony notes, however, that there will be "SPU overhead" that has "an impact on memory" when using these features." What exactly does that mean? Is that a bad thing? Need an answer from an expert.

[ApocalypseShadow]

but that will NOT be a problem with sony in house.now that motion gaming is a hit that sony help start with eyetoy,they have to put up or shut up now.but so far this gen,sony has PUT UP:

third person action(heavenly sword,uncharted,gow3 soon,etc)
fps(killzone 2.resistance 1-2,MAG soon)
sports(nba,mlb the show,hot shots golf)
racing(motorstorm 1-2,GT5:p and mod nation racers soon)
platformer(ratchet and clank,LBP)

future games i can't even give a category like last guardian and heavy rain.SONY ALONE is giving gamers some of the best games WITHOUT third parties that aren't stepping up(and truthfully i don't give a f#ck about third parties like i did previous gens except for kojima san).and i didn't even include their psn games like HVB,pain,echochrome,flow,flowe r, stardust,pixel junk games etc.

motion control games were fun on ps2 and fun on psn(pseye).the games just needed that extra SOMETHING.and the wands are that EXTRA SOMETHING.and the fact that the pseye can duplicate most of what natal does...
voice
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
facial recognition
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
oh...what is that?is that resistance with head and voice recognition?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
course,sony had voice recog games like nfl gameday and lifeline from konami on ps2.been there ,done that.

all microsoft is doing is this
http://www.n4g.com/up/Actio...
if you want to know the truth on why natal exists.

they saw what sony was doing with the camera and are trying to beat them to the punch.just like releasing early,hd-dvd,movies on demand,and games like forza.trying to be sony before sony does what sony does.

but all the hype on natal when they haven't shown games,release date,price and ACCURACY is just plain funny from those that bashed motion to begin with.

[whothedog]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Fish Tank!

[TheBand1t]

Neither. Both are equally garbage.

[Wolf873]

They both will cater to their respective audiences, but I find myself going with PS3's motion controller as I require something physical in my hand. Natal is PSEye, only augmented in terms of capabilities: but I'm interested to see how far MS will support it and how far they'll push that tech. If they support it enough, I think it will do fine.

[mxrider2]

I think sony tried what microsoft is doing with natal, but decided controllers have better reaction time and frame rate that is what i think...

[MaximusPrime]

lifespan-wise:

Natal - going to be on ebay shortly after 3 months.

PS motion control - at least 2 years.

Looking at Japan point of view, most Japanese will be enjoying PS motion more than Natal. As former Wii owners, they prefer to carry on using physical tool to play games on PS3.
I just cant see how successful Natal will be.
Without decent games, success will be very minimal. in another word, flop.

[deadreckoning666]

@Maximus- Let me get this straight..ur saying that the mainstream will gravitate MORE towards the Wands over Natal?? U kidding right? 360 owners spend $50 a YEAR just to play online. They'll buy anythg M$ tells em too.

@Saaking- I don't think Natal has a chance against the Wands as far as gaming is concerned, but if M$ makes Natal just as a way to control the 360s UI, then it can be something special.

[Saaking]

They pay for online becuase they HAVE to. For certain games such as Halo and COD, multiplayer is HALF the game and even though you pay 60 bucks for it, MS STILL charges you an extra 50 so you can get the full experiance.

Unless big name games REQUIRE NATAL (in other words unless MS shoves it down Gamer's throats), it won't be a success.

[Foliage]

Microsoft will bundle Natal with something like Halo: H.O.M.O. and the kids will buy millions of them.

This video nails exactly why Natal can't be taken seriously, and I'm not surprised the bots are afraid to hit the play button. Deep down inside they know Natal is just a gimmick that was slapped together to compete with something Sony has been developing before the Wii. Microsoft you are too late to the party yet again, I hope you have some more money bags.

[Wrathman]

your a douche

pretty sophisticated gimmick.

hay have you seen that hadron collider??thats a gimmick too y'know

or is the a ps3 app aswell..you have folding at home..now we have hadron collider at home.i mean its the ps3..it only does colliding sub atomic particles and recreations of the big bang and the birth of the universe.

[JonnyBigBoss]

The Sony motion controller will actually make practical sense for hardcore games like God of War and other titles. Natal just doesn't make sense for any of the big 360 titles.

[mastiffchild]

Put it this way-peripherals introduced this late into a console cycle do badly historically-would the Wii be where it is had they added motion to the GC instead? I doubt it as people were already committed to their consoles of choice and expensive peripherals make little sense to the casual gamer and less to the experienced gamer and I can't see enugh iof a difference in the wands for casuals to suddenly up sticks from the Wii they alreafy know-and Natal, likewise, is in a similar boat.

Thje other issues are:what will Natal do to replicate in game movement and shooting/button presses and such? Without a dedicated nunchuck or similar why the freak are Sony bothering? Using a DS3 in one hand is tantamount to making it a pointless excercise entirely as half their market(kids) won't be able to use it(mine can't), the other half won't be comfy with it AND it looks cheap and pikey as all hell. When the nunchuck hald of the Wiimote set up foes it's job for the newcomers very well whu would they waste their time with Natal or the Wands without a similar lpiece of kit custom made for it's task?

That's without considering we, none of us, have a clue if either Sphere(or Gem or whatever) or Natal work as promised atm. Given the Wii's controls have never, even with M+, been as accurate as promised why would we iomagine these two will work without some lag or other tech issues?

THEN we copme to the fact that people here lambast the Wii for it's "waggle" non stop yet want to argue over who , out of Sony and MS will do it better? Why? Suddenly the tech the 360 fanboys laughed at when demoed for Eyedentify(where's that btw?)is attractive when MS are doing similar? And vice versa obviously-why are PS3 heads knocking what Natal promises when they praised what Eyedentify promised?

We dunno what works, how it'll work or if we like it. We should all shut up rather than argue over a form of control many of us laugh at on a daily basis shouldn't we? Personally , I'm still pretty hyped to see what a true 1:1 swordfight plays like or whether we'll finally get a FPS control to rival mouse/keys-and if it can be implenented for combat in RPGs etc . I don't see it as the end of controller based gaming at all but, merely, an added way of playing that might be very well suited to 3D gaming if it takes off, no? However, right now, we din't know anything about either system beyond a few well managed(or not!) stage demos and some reports of "behind closed doors " demos-which we have no idea about how they were run.Time to put away the jibes AND the over wrought praise for both, imo, til we have a clue what we're on about or, come release, we might all look VERY dim.

[alphakennybody]

Have any tried Burnout on the ps3 using the sixaxis to steer? well thats how close you're going to get with natal. One thing I can tell ya, you won't be playing long. Even with some kind of physical feedback it won't just cut it. just try it out if you have ps3 download the demo and use the sixaxis to steer it may be fun but will take alot out of ya just by holding it in the air.

[stonecold1]

than the ps3 the 360 is holding ps3 and pc games back thats a fact finalfantasy 13 was gimped because of the box have fun swapping dvds when it on 1 blu ray plus xbox is 5 years old and not 1 game matches uncharted 2 or let alone uncharted 1 even kojima metioned the 360 could not put mgs4 on the box because the 360 would struggle

[jden28]

Why do we have so much fanboyism on this site?
You guys are oblviously fanboys of Sony and you’re not doing any research.

1. M$oft has really opened up development and added tools for developers , Like starting this year developers will be able to require the hard drive for x360 games. You will also see more multiple disc games negating the data capacity advantage for blu -ray. Beside the only games that can’t be done on multiple discs are sandbox games.
2. if you had completely read the M$ofts website instead of jumping to fanboydom you would have clearly seen that Natal is indeed more that meets the eye.

Listen You have NO knowledge, NO facts just sceptisism. Do some research. You saw Natal in its pre- alpha stage. You talk about 1 to 1 movement on the Ps3 wand and thats great but it doesn't work in the dark with the camera the Natal does it can see in the dark.
Also you say M$oft can't use a controller or a wand periphial of it's own but look it up those things have already been patented by M$oft. You suggest that Natal has no gaming potential when you act like a fanboy.
I’ll give you all a couple of examples. Another article came out a while ago covering UC2 the best looking game CURRENTLY.

"Naughty Dog was able to utilize the power of the Cell processor more than ever before, which allowed them to focus the graphics chip to certain aspects of the game."

and thats the point when everyone says that the nvidia gpu in the ps3 is weak. The cell has to do all of the work typically done by the gpu just so the nvidia gpu can concentrate on it's rendering resposibility's. Thats why you hears xbots saying the x360 has a more powerful gpu, it does, its actually the main proccessor in the x360 not it's cpu. Does that make the x360 more powerful than the ps3, NO. What it does mean is that the ps3 has a far more advanced cpu to aid it's average gpu, and the x360 has a more advanced gpu and an average cpu. At the end of the day none of it matters, its about the games and currently the ps3 has the best looking games, that doesn't mean that x360 games don't look good, but the best of the x360 RIGHT NOW don't look as good as the best of the ps3. That doesn't mean that it will stay like this, already developers are starting to let little slips of the tongue tell us stuff add this to some common sense digging and heres an idea of how I see the future of both consoles.

1. At E3 m$oft begin handing out new debug kits and new rules for x360 game development.

The new 1gb kit allows developers to utilize 64-128mb of memory that had been locked away from developers because the original debug kits only had 512mb worth of ram,"problem how are you supposed to run the debug program on top of your game if it maxes out the 512mb of memory? so most developers set aside 64-128mb of memory out of the game to run it.

2. The xeon gpu in the x360 was originally developed on the directx9 platform but had elements of directx10 and beyond.

Problem was many of these elements were locked to developers until the release of directx11 i.e. hardware based "tessellation", but with the release of directx11 and the new debug kits many of the gpu's hidden potential can only now be released.

3. Motion controls, while I actually think sony's wand will be more accurate, it has been publicly stated that it will require the use of some system resources and be dependent on the ps3 cpu the cell for its proccessing.

What difference do the motion controls make? A bunch M$oft said natal will be launched like a new console, epic let slip that they plan on shipping it with all x360's starting late 2010 and that M$oft plans on selling it to everyone else. The key here is that M$oft also let slip that natal will be using it's own custom designed proccessor, i.e. it won't use system recourses like the wand but will actually add to the x360's power, Now there were reports that the x360 would be redesigned and upgraded when natal came out, heres where m$oft learned something from sony, we all knew that the blu-ray drive in the ps3 was a trojan horse and it worked beautifully, mission accomplished it killed off hd-dvd. So I believe that mSoft won't be selling a upgrade that you can see, you see, natal IS a TROJAN HORSE, they confirmed that it will use it's own custom cpu, it stands to reason that it'll have it's own memory then too. And just how would you connect the natal to the x360, well usb of course. So and that to the fact that I looked up the specs for the x360 and it doesn't have normal usb ports instead they can be used as high speed transit port to the main cpu and memory. Hmmmmm.... so if what many sites reported immediately after the E3 unveiling of natal were in with the excitement of the developers and what we now know the x360 is getting an upgrade it just won't be done obviously. Some of those rumored specs were a six core chip, similar to the one in the x360 now double it's current memory (adding 1gb more worth of memory) and 4gb to 120gb flash memory or hdd space. M$oft no longer wants just a 5yr cycle and their reps have been quoted saying that natal will allow them to reach a 10yr cycle this gen...? Why is that? SIMPLY PUT NATAL IS A TROJAN HORSE DESIGNED TO UPGRADE THE X360'S CAPABILITIES, NOT JUST ADD MOTION CONTROL. More evidence is that almost universally developers journalist anybody in the know are concerned with its price, No ones concerned about sony's price even though you need the wand and a Playstation eye to make it work,(50...for eye+ 20-50 for a wand) and no ones concerned....? Now I did some research and assuming there using basic components the natal unit if it wasn't a trojan horse would be similar in price to the wand+eye combo, (it really only adds, if its not a trojan horse an additional camera and ir unit).

Already games like Halo Reach are showing us that the x360 still has legs and the freeing up of these new resources will give great games, and Natal way more than meets the eye.

4. ps3 will continue to improve and break new thresholds with its current configuration while M$oft upgrades the x360 through natal and we'll see some truly amazing games on it not thought possible before, even if it's cheating a little to do a mid-generation upgrade disguised as something else.

[green]

Okay you have answered a question i posed above concerning this statement from sony about the wand "Sony notes, however, that there will be "SPU overhead" that has "an impact on memory" when using these features". We will jsut have to wait and see if there will be any noticable difference.

Now your theory about Natal being used to improve the graphics capability makes sense (like the ram cartridge for the n64). But if Natal can do that, do you really think that Natal can be sold for as cheap as £50? Such tech will make the devise closer to £100.

[alphakennybody]

"Listen You have NO knowledge, NO facts just sceptisism. Do some research. You saw Natal in its pre- alpha stage. You talk about 1 to 1 movement on the Ps3 wand and thats great but it doesn't work in the dark with the camera the Natal does it can see in the dark. " wow you contradict yourself.do you ever wonder why the ball is glowing on the ps mc to be able to play in the dark?

"Already games like Halo Reach are showing us that the x360 still has legs" what I've seen in that trailer on my 42" 1080p samsung is gears of war 2 with increased color palette nothing more.

"SIMPLY PUT NATAL IS A TROJAN HORSE DESIGNED TO UPGRADE THE X360'S CAPABILITIES" so basically if the 360 keeps going the way it is now it will never be able to attain ps3 gfx and quality, so they secretly urpgrade the 360 to keep up.

[sleepyazn]

this wonderful new upgraded Xbox 360 could be the same thing as the originals but just workable with Natal now. And that doesn't changes the facts that Natal just won't work with games since it "doesn't require a controller" which is needed for most games! Can't wait to see the huge amount of shovelware Natal gonna come with. Also Natal just plain reeks of pedophilers(Milo is fcking creepy)

[lowcarb]

Alan Wake says hi and already looks better than any ps3 game out or coming.

edit: if you disagree fine but just like all the topics here you guys are blind and in denial.

[Bluemaster77]

This Theory is very well thought out , i agree with that the new 360 Dev kits will now unleash its potential. Isn't it obvious Microsoft rolled over in 2009 Duh ... but i am skeptical about Natal adding performance to the console ... though it is a very interesting thought

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Some good information there but it is not a stealth upgrade to the 360's hardware. It can keep up just fine with the PS3 in every aspect except disc space. It really is up to the Dev's to pull the power and make an eye catching game.

Natal has it's own processor because it is doing a heck of a lot of work and MS does not want any of that load to bleed over to the 360's hardware, nothing more. If someone wants to add Natal to their game, they don't have to sacrifice any of the CPU/GPU overhead unlike developers working on the Wii or PS3.

[goodfellas27]

The PlayStation motion controller works in the dark! That’s why it has the sphere that glows at the end of the tip with tri-color LEDs.
As for free up RAM on the 360; PS3 camp is doing the same…they’re making sure the system’s OS takes the lease RAM as possible. More RAM for developer to play with better looking games.

As for NATAL being use as “Trojan horse” to upgrade the 360 capabilities?! Laughable! That wouldn’t work for every game. The “extra chips” are for NATAL games only! Developers like the ones making games like HALO Reach wouldn’t be able to take advantage of NATAL “extra chips” It’ll be repeating what happened with the N64 RAM boost that game like Turok2 used in the past. (Google it)

[alphakennybody]

second alan wake do look good but only on the 360 but not close to ps3. I bet 85% of the game you'll spent playing in the dark, its easy to fool ppl eyes with that kind of setting.

[Shendow]

Get a Japanese PSN account made and download some of the videos from TGS 09, you can see RE5 using the wand and I think their was some other games shown using it.

[MajestieBeast]

From the burnout demo at E3 and all the other casual shovelware they showed their i think Natal will fail for the hardcore oehh lets smash balls back at a wall... Ps3 controller has potential after the e3 demo which was pretty much focused on the hardcore i can see it work. But im still happiest with a controller in my hand i game to relax not to stand around and smash balls at a wall or act like a retard pretending to be driving a car.

At the end of the day its just Microsoft and sony fighting for a crowd that is taken grandma dont care if its hd or sd. If Nintendo sees Sony and Microsoft as a danger for their slice of the pie they will just lower the wii to 120$ and nothing will touch it heck i would buy a wii.

[unrealgamer58]

"Ur a funny man. U do know there are more 360s in American households than PS3s right?"

that's why I said america doesn't equal worldwide. You made It sound as if america is all natal needs to beat the ps wand. NOT TRUE

[Wrathman]

shocker that his conclusion was the psflesh light.

i cant browse the xmb with my hands or my voice.at the supposed tiny entry point price that MS are supposedly puttin on this natal.it would be worth gettin for that alone.

anyway.wots stoppin nintendo releasing a camera and doin this exact thing.or MS decidind to release a wand?and the wii already has FPSs.
so wots the point?

i can see MS releasin a ton of peripherals with natal.something like a bit of plastic shaped like a gun.and a simple patch to natal will recognise this as a gun and bingo!

but i aint goin to wave a wand at my ps3 any longer than i waved 1 at the wii after 2weeks.

so psuniversity...ur arguement is null and void.hell my arguement is null and void.

just wait and see wot the game devs come up with,then decide.

[sleepyazn]

This guy makes alot of sense. I mean i though natal was great and all but after seeing/researching more on it, i gotta say the magic Dildo looks like its gonna rape Natal in the @ss. I can see that natal needs alot of room in order to use and the main genre on the xbox360 is completely obsolete in the face of natal. Natal is a great step forward for the future but in terms of gaming it is a huge step backward. Dildo, on the other hand looks good since it can do RTS games and other stuff too complitcated for the Wii. I would love to play Demon's Souls with the Motion Controller

[Knightofelemia]

I like the ceoncept of Natal but the vid does make some great points how much can it reconize and how much space do yu need to use it. The point he did forget to make about Natal is howmuch will it cost tech demos are great everything works great. But you bring Natal home and the timing is off how much cash did you just waste. I would not mind trying out a FPS on it for something differant but they did not show how it would work. But the Wand has me interested in getting I have the eyetoy and its not doing anything if Sony got the port of Mad World for the PS3 and to use with the wand I would get it.

[PSWarlord]

I always knew the PS wand (Gem...wateva the hell they decide to call it), had alot of potential in lots of areas, not just casual games. But I never realized how many flaws the Natal has...The delay is a major devastating problem which needs to be corrected (But knowing MS I wont just too be first to market).
Blackbuster makes a very good point about space...If your whole body is the controller from you feet to hands stretched above your head you going to need to be at least 8-10 feet away from the camera, I dont know about you but my console of choice is in my room and ive got about three feet between my bed and tv stand. And for people with not great eyesight that could also be bad!
Overall PS has done what they do best stick to whats plausible and do the best they can with it, and MS have jumped head first into something they obviously haven't thought through.
MS are definitely gonna add some sort of controller function, they have too or I can see some really sh1tty casual games not worthy of the 100-150 dollar pricetag (guessing-as its brand new tech).

I dont own a 360 my bro did and he had 4 RROD which put me off + Im a loyal Sony Supporter and always will be (and for good reason). The PS wateva will be more of a success due to the fact its using already successfully tech (Wii), just alot more advanced and precise. This means Wii ports and exclusive titles in any genre like Blackbuster stated.....I Would LOVE too see Kingdom hearts III using the PS wand (and then ported too Wii please).

WATCH THE VIDEO its very well presented and the guy didn't want too make me throw my laptop out the window like HHG lol.

Disagrees- At least argue not just press disagree because deep down you know im right and it hurts inside lol

[PSWarlord]

Well obviously it detects hand movements not finger movements...Whos a dumbass now. Its delayed LIKE IN THE DEMOS just trying too detect arm, legs and head movements thinks how difficult it'll be too track individual fingers...get your head out your ass

[theIMP]

Don't you dare talk to my brother like that, you have know idea what it's like to be a Lannister. I don't care if he is missing a hand he will still b1tch slap you with the gold prosthetic, he's not captain of the kingsguard for nothing.

[Advari]

Time will tell if either Natal or the wand are worth it the dork behind the computer bashing Natal when they can only show so much with a certain time frame. The wand looked impressive as well and the ideas behind it are great aswell the one question I have is how much will Natal and the Wand cost me.

[DEATHSTROKE-cro-]

PS3 controller will be better in my opinion.
the precision is important thing about motion controllers
and Natal is sh*t compared to PS3 controller.

look the video at 1:12 LOL

[rbluetank]

i am supporting the wand!!! natal is not accurate enough for me...

[jalen247]

The PS3 motion controls have the advantage for obvious reason. I think the guy in the video did a good job illustrating the potential or lack of for both.

Microsoft will need to have more than brickbreaker type games in order to bring people on board the Natal train. Sony has actually already shown what they can do with the PS3 motion controls during the live demos at E3 and TGS. I can easily see myself playing LBP with motion controls with my girl.

Like the guy says Microsoft will have to create some games with facial recognition and speech recognition and not the motion controls because Natal motion controls doesn't fit for a lot of genres.

Motion controls is supposed to make games easier and more intuitive to play not the other way around. I think I would rather hold down R2 or RT for racing games than to suspend my arms in the air and move my feet back and forth.

I think the accuracy of Sony's motion controller and its versatility in terms of being applicable to a wide selection of genres is going to give it the advantage over the WiiMote and Natal.

Besides, sony has speech and facial recognition algorithms that work with the PSEYE so Natal really doesn't have any significant advantages.

Sony's motion control system can essentially do everything a WiiMote and Natal can do but a WiiMote can't do all of what Sony's Motion control system can do and Natal can't do all of what Sonys's Motion control system can do. Sony's motion control solution has the most accurate and gaming friendly implementation.

Besides, who do you really trust will be able to come up with the best games that take full advantage of their motion controls?...If the games that have already been released are any indication, I trust Sony to come up with the best motion controlled games in terms of quality and execution.

Previously, I would have said that Microsoft would do a better job at marketing their motion controls than Sony but Sony has stepped it up in the marketing department recently.

Furthermore, Sony will have first to market advantage over Microsoft which we have seen is very important this generation of consoles.

[ApocalypseShadow]

no one is saying it won't work.just that it's NOT WORKING PROPERLY so far in all these previews.

{preview one}:

natal is shown at E3 and Kudo Tsunoda is trying to show what the bottom of what an avatar show looks like.also is using broad arm motions to go through the XNE using NO FINGER GESTURES.we see paint slopped up onto a virtual canvass.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

which is weird.why is natal reading his hand motion going down but not reading his hand going back up to strike down again?HMMMM.....shouldn't natal pick up that he wants to go up when he brings his hand up?he didn't move in or out.just up and down.

we then see that milo is a smoke and mirror project made to try to one up sony on eyepet that sony showed a year before milo exists.obviously using a human instead of a pet as peter m usually uses pets.he did in BLACK and WHITE.he did again in FABLE.but no animal in milo.strange again.

{preview two}:

we see jimmy fallon and friends wearing new ORANGE PRISON COLORS to try and make natal more accurate on night time tv.but we see the same glitches that we saw at E3.no finger gestures used there either.still more delayed reaction.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

{preview three}:
we then see more delayed reaction as it is being presented everywhere else including with a cute japanese girl flailing around like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
WATCH THE GIRL KICK BUT NO REACTION FROM NATAL.

{preview four}:we see peter m. talking and making excuses about "the lighting isn't quite right"(listen closely as he says it)but we have all been told that natal can see in the dark or in any lighting conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

so with all these delays,we are to believe that natal is PERFECT,CAN SEE IN THE DARK,and will bring a REVOLUTION in gaming.

blind faith is fascinating.no proof,no games,just a lot of technical jargin that no one outside of controlled environments have seen.not saying they can't fix it.but as gamers,you would think that we would be the FIRST to know before casuals that IT DOES WORK.

but we are to believe that casuals,who don't play as much as us,proves it's accuracy and viability.

the only way that microsoft can make it work for some things with fingures is integrating 3dv's hand fingure gestures throughout all natal games.basically creating sign language for games like this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

we'll see though.......

[PSWarlord]

The wand defo needs an anologe stick or 2, thats my only problems with it but 99% sure it will have when released

[jalen247]

I already have a PSEye so I only have to pick up a wand which will probably be bundled with a motion game that I will be interested in. If Microsoft can improve accuracy and come up with compelling games that are executed well then Natal may be a reason for me to pick up an Elite. But from what I have seen and what I know of the limitations of the technology, I am doubtful.

Sony's will definitely be a success. The Wii is proven and the Eyetoy is proven even though Sony didn't market the Eye toy. Sony's motion solution refines and combines two proven motion solutions to make an ultimate motion solution. An advanced Eye toy which is the PSEYE + an advanced WiiMote which is the PS wand + speech and facial recognition algorithms for the PSeye + the best first party studios to execute motion games = Success

[PSWarlord]

:)

[RockmanII7]

I feel Natal will either do extremely good or extremely bad and the PS3 wand will do decent/ok.

[SuperbVillain]

some of you people have no lives,posting ESSAYS about something so stupid.something that hasnt even come out yet,just wait until they release then judge everyone stop being a fanboy!

[jalen247]

Stop being a hater. If people wait for everything to come out before commenting on it whether its a short comment or an essay, N4G would be a pretty boring place.

[Ninji]

Natal is just the eyetoy and it will probably be dropped faster than the support of the XBL Vision Camera. Not to mention the input lag for Natal and all it being good for is casual carnival mini games.

[ApocalypseShadow]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
i just proved that natal doesn't see in all lighting conditions as i did above."the lighting is not right."

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
i just proved that the girl can kick and natal not recognizing it at all.(25 seconds in)she kicked.natal said "WHAT?"

is that better for you SUPER?the purpose is to see which is better for gaming as a whole.one is more accurate.one doesn't recognize all your motions.if you didn't want to debate about it...

why are you here?taking the cowardly route and just bash others is just childish.no one is bashing.just proving one way or the other that it is not ready and most of it has been smoke and mirrors.

no one wants it to fail.JUST TO WORK.

[keysy420]

you can make as much sense as you want to them and they dont care. my cousin doesn't believe anything youjust said he think natal is like the holy savior.
this isn't the wii gimmick here this is really one to one motion . with the camera this thing can read arm twist behind your back. the motion control is going to be the real revolution that we thought the wii was.

[ApocalypseShadow]

"the phantom kick."(25 seconds in)copyright 2009 apoc shadow.all rights reserved.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

the girl kicks and no reaction.

phhhhaaaannnnnnntooommmmmmmm kiiiiiiiiicccck!

[PSNTomaz]

Sony's Tech will be better and the best thing about it? its coming out in the spring months ahead of MS's Natal.

[Bigpappy]

This guy really knows his stuff. I was just a M$ fanboy wanting something M$ told me was good. This video has open my eye, I will now get the PS3, the wand and 4 of those great games he said Sony demo'ed. M$ needs to do what Sony did and show real games. Too much lag with that Natal thing and they don't let everyone come up on stage and test it, like Sony did. MS had to resort to hiding they demos in the back room with the media and other professional gamers like Sugaray Leonard and Farmer from the lakers.
Developer are just playing M$ for the fools that they are and had me going there for a minute. I my thank the guy in that video for opening my eyes, and I know it all those Natal lover see this they eyes will be opened also, and see that the PS Wand is better than Natal for games.

[lowcarb]

If this guy opened your eyes you might as well join a cult or try some crack if your that easy to convince. Why don't you wait like the rest of us to see if any of our predictions are true before opening your eyes. For all we know Natal will either be great or be bad. I don't see how some guy or others with the same amount of info as the rest of us has any more credibility than you or I. Anyways grow some nutcrackers and quit falling others to form an opinion.

edit below culgan: And where in my speech did i defend it? I said lets wait and see which you so eagerly like a few others can't understand. We know nothing about Natal to judge it yet so grow up and trying to argue the facts. Your comment is nothing more than typical fud spread throughout N4G out of unnecessary fear hate and denial towards anything 360.

[Clugan]

I'm not sure that I understand all of the defenders of Natal. The technology isn't exactly rocket science - the camera sees you just as you would see a movie in the theater, that is in 2D. It is the same technology wise as the EyeToy, as others have remarked.

With the wand, not only does the camera see you, but it knows your exact location in the room. When you move the wand/paintbrush/gun/sword forward, it doesn't just analyze that your arm has grown larger and interpolate what that means, it knows exactly where the control is positioned in the room, because it has X, Y, and Z coordinates (3D) to work with.

People can talk about Natal and how it is going to do something seemingly magical, but in the end you don't have to understand Superstrings to figure this one out.

Natal = EyeToy = 2D

Wand = Wiimote++ = 3D

[saint_john_paul_ii]

Natal is a 3D camera.

[Clugan]

@The Pope
Sure, in that it interpolates, as I alluded to earlier. The XBox does not know with any precision where the player is in the room, just as the EyeToy did not.

Seem far fetched? Ask yourself a simple question, why is it that studios use expensive mocap suits to capture animation sequences when they could just purchase a 3D camera (by your logic) and make the lives of their actors that much easier?

Like it or not, the wand is exactly the same as one of the nodes on a mocap suit. The system knows exactly where in the room the signal is originating from - no interpolation necessary. It will always be more accurate than Natal, and there will be less need for processing. Again, this doesn't take a genius or even a deceased pope to figure out.

[Dutch Boogie]

lol this proves M$ fanbrats are retards at the highest level. Hyped over something that has been proven a gimmick and failure.

[Platinum_k]

hoenstly. natal will and should be a flop
GEm willl be better version of wii controller...

10 times more precise!

PS3 baby!

[Platinum_k]

...unfortunately because 360 fanboys always seem to easily take their money and give them up just to please M$.

PS Gem will sell more than natal though.

its more advanced and much more precise.

needs less space!

360 fanboys are soooo young and stupid.

[stuna1]

It's laughable how people are boasting how much 3rd party support is being offered for natal and, that's fine and all but, if people look at this from a logical standpoint sonys wand stands to benefit the most considering that last I heard 1st party support is better than 3rd party support, meaning more than likely sonys wand will have the backing of 20+ 1st party development studios not including 2nd party support and 3rd party support IMO.

[XXIII]

There are to many bent fan boys in here and somebody's got to straighten them up. How could natal fail unless Microsoft totally flops on this like WinME; but this isn't the PC OS Universe or windows, this is the gaming industry were Microsoft has been doing a decent job this gen.

Natal could add ram and processing power to the xbox 360 which is great for 360 owners! Even if Microsoft sells this product at a lost (like Sony did with the PS3 and is still doing) its still great for business the main idea here is to get natal next to every existing and future 360 console.

Future AAA games like Gears, Halo and even multi platform titles like COD could now graphically look similar to that of many triple A Sony titles like Killzone 2. With the new dev kits, direct x upgrades, new dev engine (non epic), and Microsoft being a little more lenient with multiple disc for there games it looks like MS is planing a sneak attack.

Last point i have to make is that Natal doesn't have to force the 100% control free aspect into every game. Many games could incorporate natal and still use the traditional 360 controller! Imagine being able to call plays on the fly in EA's MADDEN 11 or call for a medic and your team to regroup in the next installment of Ghost Reacon Advanced Warfighter all with your voice.

I love NBA 2K and i would love to scan myself and then be inserted in the game. My face height and even weight all factored in, no more tedious player create menus. I could scan my jump shot form and free throw, create my own dunk or crossover and then bring my Jordan 1's kicks into the game as an accessory.

The ideas are endless.....Time Crisis meets Natal!(gun accessory still used with gesture commands for other game play elements i.e tapping mag compartment of gun to reload) Fallout meets Natal! Wii Fit meets Natal! It just keeps going on but to conclude my thoughts I'd like to simply say i don't think natal is just a camera and i don't think it will fail the worst it could do is decent which isn't horrible! MS has alternative motives.....

[TruthSeeker]

Dude don't be delusional. you know that the xbox 360 dosent have anthing in it's library that touches killzone 2 in the graphics department! No matter how much we want something like that( or admit that we do )we just don't, and we can't help it. And this is coming from an xbox 360 fanboy.

[lowcarb]

KZ2 is not as good looking as you think MR so called fanboy. Just like GT5 after you look at it long enough you see games like ALan Wake Forza3 and Reach already looking much better then it. Use your own mind and quit letting a few effects here and there trick you.

[DelbertGrady]

Is that where you guys study? lol!

[Close_Second]

...is so damn good why has it largely done nothing but gather dust since it was released?

Games will make or break any motion control system.

[ps12&3lover]

natal is stupid..and who ever is excited about running in place and pointing your finger out like a gun while taking cover behind your moms couch is stupid too..

the ps wand or gem already works with re5 which is great news and already looks better and more promising than natal..

[Ps_alm3k]

Natal is for rich big room family.and can only offer casual gaming.
Ps3 wand is basically W!! crowds, but with HD graphics and can offer games for hardcore(RE5)
Did not MS learn from sony mistake.?????
and sony is learning from MS...LOL what the irony, oh wells!
Let's not be delusional, but see potential.!!

[Ps_alm3k]

who has what games for it.....
who comes out first......
and the great marketing blitz!!
Knowing sony, im sure they have learn from their mistake and MS is taking a big risk!

[RumbleFish]

The PS 3 Wand needs an analog stick. I don't want to have a wand in the right hand and a DS 3 in the left hand. That would be a compromise.
Do a left hand version of the wand with triggers, stick and d-pad and a right hand version with face buttons and triggers. That in combination with the ps eye will allow any gaming experience possible today.

[THC CELL]

haha pedo lol natal is doomed trust me
just like hddvd

[Tesselation 360]

I hope he dosen't take up gaming jurnalism or we have another blind droid in the works.

"Playstation University" huh what the bloody hell is that lol. Sony open some university that i didnt know about. Maybe a lot of droids on N4G just graduated from there. Maybe thats why they are so brainwashed lol.

No one cares what u think man cause we will wait till the real thing comes out then we can do compare videos.

[JustV]

First of all, the wand is just NOT a wii remote for those who says that...heard of headtracking? yes its a more advanced wii indeed, but at least it gives you a sick experience of how to play the game when you have a headtracking....so wherever you move with your body left or right, the screen moves with you ...like you are in the game. Natal has no chance against this.. its just too clear for everybody...yes people will buy it because they get so stupid and can't see the real truth...but for gamers..they will def go for the sony wand...

[picoso36]

How old is HE? 17? He might know about gaming, but his lame attempt at being impartial is very transparent - he got on my nerves. The professorial pauses and glances askew are ridiculous, at best... What I do like are the demos he uses and his updates on what games will be available (assuming he's responsible enough to validate before posting).

[Death2494]

Doesn't matter which one is technically superior. It's all going to come down to the games. Sony has the largest internal studio so i'm going with them. Microsoft just buys third party exclusives. Every 3rd party wii game can be ported to ps3 now.

No, Natal is in no way superior to PSeye. Warzonegamer debunked that some months ago.

[Bluemaster77]

you my friend are drunk eyetoy superior to Natal quit kidding your self

[dredgewalker]

You know guys it wouldn't hurt to just wait for these peripherals to come out before judging which is better or which is just a gimmick. In the end its the one with the most games supporting it that will be the winner.

[Bluemaster77]

This is absolutely correct we've seen very little from either side so no point in babbling over nothing

[Justin_bristoe]

it will be great for navagating through ya xbl system though(not being sarcastic)it actually reminds me of the minrity report as far as that goes.if it works well the ms gets kudos for that.but gameplay?? if you want gameplay u need a controller,the wand is for hardcore gaming.gunz swords bow and arrows driving nin chucks spears with the still easy ways to actually move ya character without the ppl downstars calling the police on you.unless youre a wealthy person with a living room the size of a quater footbal field u bots are going to buy this secretly has ms for embarrassing all your hard fanboying work in these forums.

[FairFight]

I think a lot of you may be missing the point. I think Natal will be used in conjunction with a controller in most games. Think playing a fps and physically leaning slightly to look around a corner, the manipulation of in game objects with your hand, throwing a grenade by just making a throwing motion, a melee attack by physically throwing a quick hook. I think there's tons of potential if done correctly. I just see the playstation wand improving on the wii experience.

[Platinum_k]

that stupid girl in the video looks so retarded trying to hit those balls up with her hand! lolS!

[tvman5252]

The wand is better because they you can ipet on it. thats a real game. LOL! they're all real XD

[Ian414]

it really matters who comes out with first madden and has best violent games for "hardcores" like myself and who has the best commercials for the "casuals" and the first one with online