'MGS4' Xbox 360 'speculation' says Konami

It was previously reported that a number of online sites claimed that Konami's stealth epic had been confirmed for release on Microsoft's console.

But after Digital Spy approached Konami for their reaction to the online reports, the firm would neither deny or confirm the claims and said it was all simply "speculation".

[TheMART]

So they don't say it's exclusive anymore. It's called 'speculation'

Right.

MGS4 for the 360 will come in 2008. PS3 only timed exclusive. FFXIII same story. Mark my words

@ ngg12345 (below)

Ofcourse dude. You can say whatever you want. Right. you're so smart, info that someone wouldn't understand. It's pretty clear what it says there:

"firm would neither deny or confirm the claims"

Is the simple thing that's in there. If something is an exclusive, they would deny. If it's not well... At least you're smart, right? I'll remind you the day when MGS4 confirmation for 360 hits this website.

EDIT

now you should really swallow the word dumb forever:

"sony druids"

WTF are those? You mean droids, right? Nice dude, go change your comment AGAIN

[ngg12345]

Not worthy to argue. I'm sorry marty.

[VORODOR 2]

HE IS NEARLY 60 AND HASEN'T EVER BEEN LAID THAT'S IS HIS REASON 4 THE HATRED TO THE PS3, ALSO HE APPLIED FOR A JOB AT SONY COUNTLESS TIMES AND WAS REFUSED BECAUSE HE DIDIN'T FIT THE CRITERIA OF A SONY WORKER, HOWEVER HE'S TRYING HIS HAND AT GETTING A JOB WITH MS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY WILL HIRE HIM FOR CREATING NEGATIVE NEWS ON PS3 AND FALSE HYPE ON THE 360, HOW SAD, MART IS GONNA BE EATING HIS WORDS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GEEK, ERM I MEAN VIRGIN, NO WAIT GEEKY 60 YEAR OLD VIRGIN.

[eLiNeS_NIGGER]

Marty boy?? 13 year old i guess, spends his time w@nking and telling his mom to make him a sandwich, You are full of sh!t got a great answer for you ................

Its simple xbots..
360.. i mean 180 = crappy hardware.. Don't expect MSG4 on The Ringer cause it ain't powerful enough..
Ya'll better get used to 1 hour campaign games with same environments from start to finish... "IF" and only if, you can play at least 10 minutes of a game without wrapping your precious 180 with a towel..
Crappy system.

I saw this a couple of weeks ago, i had to post it again, I guess it has a great point.

[jaOSYH261nsw29m]

I'm going to have to agree here with you Mart.

The games industry isn't about catering to the fanboys, its about making cold hard cash. Releasing them on two systems, both of which are capable of running the game, would make monetary sense.

I'm going to take this as an 'unofficial' confirmation.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

MGS4 will come to the 360, It will be timed or at the same time. MGS2 was on the Xbox and with the good install base and high attach rate on the 360, it guarantees that MGS4 will sell well. I know PS3 fans wan't this to be exclusive but realy MGS was never exclusive just MGS3. I'm not flaming the PS3 I'm just stating what will most likley happen, MGS4 IS NOT owned by Sony it's a third party game and as you guys have witnesed this year third party games are pretty much all going multi. It's going to be about first party games this round and all three have some good games on ther side of the fence. I'm even sure that Bioshock will go to the PS3 (timed) unless MS buys the rights (possible)

[djcosta]

well this is an interesting story...i think microsoft doesnt care to own MGS4 because she knows that the other games she has are going to sell...MGS4 cares to be an xbox game cos they know that on xbox they are going to sell millions of copies...its all about money and ps3 is crap right now and it will be for the next 2 years at least (not saying forever!!!) thats why all games are going to xbox right now and u can see many of examples...xbox is the best right now and stop arguing about it...PEACE!!!

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Mart...you kill me.

If I had a penny for every time you've made a complete moron of yourself...I wouldn't be living in freakin' Illinois. I'm pretty sure you just added to my collection also. Thanks babe.

You've been a peach...you really have.

Why do you live the Xbox so much? Is it because Microsoft is rich enough that they can enter the gaming market without innovation and still have you guys eating out of their palms? I'm pretty sure that sums it up. "But they were, all of them, deceived..." -if you don't know what movie that's from, you shouldn't be gaming.

[Pika-pie]

There is no way that Sony would let FFXIII or versus go multi platform. Im sorry but Sony own a large amount of share capital in Square-Enix, this is one exclusive that will remain on the PS3 without a shadow of doubt. This will no doubt be one ultimatum made by Sony behind the closed doors of shareholders meetings..

Thats not to say that 360 owners will not get the spinoff FFXIII Haeris (or however it spelt). But the main FFXIII and versus are PS3 and thats all that matters.

And these MGS storys suck beans.

[Watkins]

Haha, he's really trying hard, Mart ...
Anyways, let me just say this; the reason they claim it's just speculations is to get publicity and publicity alone. It really works as well, just watch theMart as he starts ranting and getting the game a LOT of attention. I have no doubt that it will come to PS3 and PS3 alone, and I think it's quite a great trick by Konami (and all the other companies currently doing it).

[Lex Luthor]

the mart is unstoppable!!!!

[techie]

*re-edit* No probs. Do we have to have articles telling us a rumour is a rumour?

[WTF]

Sorry didn't know.

[FeralPhoenix]

This is what its come to on this site.....this is "news" to tell us that the "rumor" is just "speculation".

[Pika-pie]

They should seperate this site into 'News for Gamers' and 'Rumours for Gamers'

[WTF]

Time will tell.

[Raist]

yawn

[Phantom_Lee]

I bet we will have the same story next week...and that story is going to be the hottest story for that week

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

I hear halo is comming to the ps3 also....and mass effect and gears....and blue dragon....Konami respoded to the rumor with a definate answer and Kojima said so...and he holds more power then you think over that at konami
Edit: ( FOR YOU MART)
DMC4 - That game hasnt been good since number one..sold lessas it progressed
VF5 - With no online
Virtua Tennis 3- Sega VT hs never been exclusive
Ace Combat 6 this game was a xbox exclusive...tuned timed exclusive
Fatal Inertia--crap
Bladestorm--dynstay wars crao
GTA4 -WAs never exclusive to ps3 u got that outta your ass

Hmmm....Lets talk exclusives on the xbox side...besides halo and ears..which will bot hbe on pc so its not exclusive... Eternal Sonta was exclusive but is comming to the ps3...Saints Row two will be on ps3..bioshock comming and...that kayne and lynch...is on ps3 now so wat now marty ..also splinter cell with be back jsut like last gen ration when it was suppose to be an xbox exclusive but jumped shipped ..rember tey were talking all that crap talking only possible on xbox then it came out on ps2 and gamecube...and final fantasy will stay on ps3 regardless

KONAMI DOSENT HAVE TO SAY ITS AN EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE KOJIMA HAS PLENTY OF TIMES...

[macalatus]

Hear, hear!!

[TheMART]

Few differences:

Mass Effect, Gears and Blue Dragon are all 1st party or (Gears) 3rd party but still owned rights by MS.

MGS4 is 3rd party Konami, not paid by Sony exclusive. As is FFXIII 3rd party Square Enix. So which did Sony loose more on 3rd party, many already, didn't it???

DMC4
VF5
Virtua Tennis 3
Ace Combat 6
Fatal Inertia
Bladestorm
GTA4

and many many more. So what's so strange that these will come over also?

I am very real in this. I know Motorstorm will never come to the 360 because it's Sony 1st party. The rest will come over

[techie]

Mart. You don't want to play this game. You want to use it as a political tool to claim the PS3 has died. Which is the biggest insult to Kojima you could ever form. He and his game deserves MUCH better than that.

If I was you I'd back off Mart, because all this screaming and shouting over a game you want to be a trophy is disgusting.

Plus, if it also goes to the 360 it really reduces my faith in artists....the artist that is Kojima, he wants it to be PS3 exclusive....something of which you can tell with his MGS4 official trailer....ending with "the Cell processor is the key to winning the CONSOLE war" - a trailer you've most likely never watched Mart, as you're not interested. You're interested in the name and the symbol. Call yourself a gamer? Don't think so.

Well if it goes to the 360, to me it means the company Konami has overcome the artist Kojima...which is sad in my eyes. In My opinion of course.

[TylerDurden]

Being a little dramatic eh?

If Konami feels they can make a lot of money porting over to the 360 what is the problem?

Granted Kojima is an artist and I am certain he feels art is more important than money, but at the same time getting a little more cash for doing something you love isn't a bad thing. Is it?

The sales for PS3 have been too slow and they have yet to make any ground on the 360. They sold something like 16K in NA last week. Everyone knows that 360 owners buy games at a pretty good rate. The PS3 is going to need to have a bigger install base by the time this game drops or Konami is looking at losing a lot of money. Possibly sales over 07 holiday season can remedy this situation, but nothing this generation has gone as expected sales wise, so it is hard to say.

Other than the possible number of discs what would be the technical hold up of porting this game? Would you as a business owner let something like that stop you from making millions of dollars? If you were a Konami shareholder and knew that porting to the 360 would bring a better return on investment, would you find any of these reasons for not porting acceptable? Honestly what would be the repercussions from Sony be on this? They aren't in a position to tell Konami to screw off if they do decide to port.

Sony needs to pony up the cash if they want this game to stay exclusive. What other reason would they have to not port? Loyalty? If it is, Sony needs to return the favor and give them some cash.

When the Gears rumor came out Reins said "F No we are not porting to PS3". If Konami was as adamant about their denials these rumors wouldn't keep springing up. All of these stories and all of these posts, prove to Konami that there is interest from the 360 community. In fact a couple of months ago didn't Konami or MS send out a survey asking people about MGS4 on the 360?
http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

My guess (disagree all you want folks) is that Konami won't make any official announcements until after the PS3 version is out for a couple of months. They will just keep giving answers that it is speculation, or "No plans at this time". This way it won't hurt Sony as much. They are also waiting to see what the install base will look like after the 07 holidays, however with the current trends they are prolly leaning towards porting.

Sony could of course fork up the cash to make sure this is exclusive. This is what they should do. Both from a business sense and a reward to Konami/Kojima for loyalty.

[SimmoUK]

lol xbox fans are still dreaming of MGS4, Konami loves PS3 they find the other consoles limted and they want CELL, Blu-Ray and HDD in every model for this title, you only have to read there interviews to know that everything else is just dumb speculation unless it comes from them...

[Nervsys]

exactly, but konami did not say that MSG4 would not be on the 360. If they were not going to support the 360, then why would they not just kill the rumour right now?

Use some logic in your thinking.

[chitown]

dude theres rumors all over the god damn place. if u believed half of them u would be a complete fool. for instance there was one last week, gears to ps3. yea exactly imfao. trust me MGS4 will be ps3 exclusive and so will fxIII

[fatam69]

Well this list sucks.

[Xbot_Killer]

fact is I don't care if it does come to the 360 because it will finally shut the xbots up when they get a severely cut down version of the PS3 game. How anyone thinks a 3 processor machine outdoes a 9 processor beast decked out with everything next gen is beyond me...

I literally laughed out loud when I heard Gates called his crapbox the "ferrari" of home entertainment.

[wolfgang]

Enough with that rumour, tell us when you have something official about the game.

[CrazzyMan]

maybe some people bought wrong console, if they want so much game from another console? lol.

on one forum found this quote.. =))
[quote]its the xbots have hard ons for PS3 games, must be the wrong console since they seen so damn desperate for MGS and FF13.[/quote]

[Expy]

If you want to paly the game that badly just buy a PS3... Or maybe you're just dirt poor. Sorry that's the only excuse people come up with (too pricey), get a job.

[Elginer]

It's comments like this that make people hate PS3 fanboys. Get a job, well the cost of living is expensive and last time I checked gaming was a hobby. Sorry but having a roof over my head and electricity comes first. Damn...and people wonder why some folks hate PS3 fanboys. It's ok to love your console but to say just ignorant elitist comments like that is not.

[toughNAME]

i dont care for this game at all
but i have no doubt itll come to 360

theMART made such a good point earlier...i thought id post his list again

DMC4
VF5
Virtua Tennis 3
Ace Combat 6
Fatal Inertia
Bladestorm
GTA4
more to come

[CrazzyMan]

DMC4:
DMC3 was on pc. DMC4 use a multiplatform engine.

VF5:
VF4 the only game from series, which was exclusive to ps2, so Virtual Fighter series never were Playstation exclusive games.

Virtua Tennis 3:
Virtua Tennis - Dreamcast/PC.
Virtua Tennis 2 - Sega NAOMI, Dreamcast and PS2.

AC6:
Ok 1 game.

Fatal Inertia and Bladestorm:
New (not psOne/PS2) 3rd party games. Just like Saint row and Enchanted Arms.

GTA4:
always was timed exclusive, this time, no. Big Deal.

[jwatt]

It's all speculation, meaning people just make up shyt without the official source.

[Quicksilva]

*Starts to search for any article regarding rumours about exclusives*

[Violater]

all this speculation is good publicity.

[gunnerforlife]

the same thing again dont 360 fans have anything better to do than post roumers if there that desperate to get this game than get a ps3 unless you cant aford it, if you cant shut the hell up then and stop posting usless roumers that aint true and will never be unless kojima wnats them too be true then you can brag about it, otherwise shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[ngg12345]

I actually wanted 2000 easy points. :)

[BIGBAER]

Yes, there arte an excess of rumors regarding MGS4's possible release on the 360. The reason they live on is that Konami is constantly coy with their refutations. Konami never really offers a hands-down. etched-in-granite denial.

Personally, I belive now more than ever that MGS4 will be released on the 360 in one form or another.

I never was a fan of the series so for me it matters little beyond the fact that Konami stands to make a great deal more money by offering MGS4 on other platforms.

I WANT Konami to make a lot of money, as much as they can. Money is what is needed by all developers to underwrite the quality of games we all demand.

Go Konami; go MGS4!

[chrno6]

haha I hope it doesn't come to the 360 not because I hate the 360, but because I want to piss the xbugs off. They are annoying. i hope kojima attends E3 and shut all the xbugs up.

[iceice123]

Nobody is deaming of this game. Even if we don't get it, and you know we will, we still have so many other exclusives coming that it doesn't even matter...at all. But I guess saying that makes you feel better. So go right ahead, keep dreaming that it will be a Sony exclusive.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I agree man. There are so many exclusives and all around great games coming out on the 360 to keep us plenty busy. Although, I do think MGS4 will come out on the 360 eventually. When things are true, and companies can't yet comment on something, they say it's speculation. If it's not true, they are usually quick to debunk any rumors.

[waldopepper]

If it's absolutely not going to happen then surely they would simply say this and put rest to the rumours once and for all?

[gunnerforlife]

i am dreaming right now and guess wat my dream will come true one way or the other, i guess dreams really do come true dont they lol.

[Xi]

just speculation?
Why not just say, no it is not. Instead of it's just speculation, or the game is exclusive as of this time. Or the game is being built around the ps3.

[TaylorB]

Why do we keep seeing the same rumors about MSG4 on the 360 every other day? Who is approving these flamebait stories? The rumor is just that, a rumor. Please post and approve the story when it becomes something other than that.

[tehcellownu]

what about the games that the xbox360 is losing?? i can make a list but why bother?..MGS4 is still exclusive to the PS3 and Final Fantasy XIII.there is no used in guessing if its comin to the 360..Kojima and sqaure mention that their games is only for PS3..but this rumor keeps on comin back because xbots really cant let it go..lol....Honestly do you guys want to play a crappy port..opps never mind you got a crap out box that keeps on breakin down..lol..so the answer would be yes..

[ShiftyLookingCow]

MUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[gunnerforlife]

it generates hype if you leave it like this and more people will buy it when it comes out. theyll think what was all the hype about this game is it anygood and theyll buy just too chek if it lives up to all that hype.

[Xi]

still getting a tun of hype. I think they're just leaving the door open.

[CrazzyMan]

that MGS4 coming to x360, till PS3 release?
IF M$ would able to persuade Konami to announce MGS4 for x360, they would do that LONG TIME ago. Just like they did with GTA4 about releasing same day.

Everyone know, that Geow coming to PC, but no official statements were made.
So, people, maybe you should stop with "MGS4 coming to x360", because you won`t get comfirmation, till PS3 release.

Ok, x360 owners, just think that MGS4 is timed-EXCLUSIVE PS3 game. And forget about such topic. =)

[DaTrooF]

well..here is what i think is causing this rumour to keep poppin'back
..........

1.xbox fanbois ...........man foget this

we have gone through this many times before...can we just please end this disscusion..........
if we dont.. all thats really going to happen is some dumb arguement that wont result to anything....one side will say"its staying on the ps3",the second side will say"no,its coming to the 360"..................... ............. and the third side will say"its coming to the wii and 360":D
in the end....all there would be is a bunch of rumours/dreams/and hopes......

so please stop this as of right now..it aint gonna answer the question of whether or not its staying exclusive..until konami/kojima announces something...all of ya needa STFU....that will be all....

[esemce]

All you b1tches with this constant back and forth 'my console is better sh1t' is pathetic and sad, if you lot knew anything you would know that the console does not matter its the game which is important, this reminds me of when i was a pre-pubesant kid and the arguments over the 48k and c64, but thats ok when your about 9 years old. No one console will have all the good games face it, ffs.

[kspraydad]

...though without the vulgarity.

And by the way my 520ST OWNED your C64 ;)

[Russbomb]

I have to say that it is odd that they havn't denied that there are no plans for the 360.

[kewlkat007]

START - Why can't KONAMI(a third-party developer) put these rumors and Speculations to rest, by coming out with a STATEMENT similar to EPIC's like the other day?

1. I'm really waiting to hear "NO MGS4 will NEVER make it to the 360" regardless of what Rumors may come about, as well as Speculation. Let's also not forget, the Petition from the SonyCamp. We have heard this and that from them but nothing firm, and of course this is a third-party developer we are talking about , so the jokes of "so yeah I heard HALO will come to PS3 is kind of Lame and Weak.(think about it)

-KONAMI- Third Party
-SQUARE-ENIX- Third Party

Who they choose to "develop/port" for, depending on the MONEY-TALKS factor, INSTALLMENT-BASE, and FAN-BASE for all 3 platforms, are always up in there air.(UNLESS we get that DREADED NO!, It will Never be on this PLATFORM TYPE PRESS)(You can Disagree)

2. I think we should not POST Rumors upon Rumors unless its the Original Rumor thats being DEBUNKED in anyway by the Developer/Publisher/Console maker. We are just gonna keep seeing the same speculations and such..over and over. Then again this is a News site, So post away.

3. I'm sure there are MG fans that have 360's that want sthe game(no doubt). I myself, well no I don't care as much, I haven't even played the last one. Great Game but it was kind of boring for my taste. I'm more Syphon Silter type controles and such..

4. Like I said, Other Developers/Publishers come out and straight to the point to debunk rumors andd specualations, but KONAMI seems to be hush hush, about this title. Well indirectly saying there is a posibility, We kow this is about business first. Third-Party developers are not so much FANBOYS. Of course getting both consoles can reap benefits as well, if there is no chance for multi, and you really wanna play this game.

END - MONEY, INSTALLMENT-BASE, and FAN-BASE will talk in the end, if anything gets DEVELOPED or PORTED from Konami, remember I said it..as well as others.

[Dr Pepper]

Wait, wasn't there an article that said MGS4 wasn't going to be released in 07? If that's the case, then 360 owners (if it ends up being released on the 360) will have to wait a very long time to get it.

[ben hates you]

heck snoop hardly posts stuff, i think for this reason judging by his blogs,

me personally like xbox 360, but its what i've started with, first was sega genesis, PC, XBOX, AND XBOX 360, i like what i have had, if MGS comes to xbox 360 me i won't buy i've never played it so i have no need to play it but,

the fanboys here are horrible,
just look at the post, and konami has stated before that the game would be possible on 360, but calm down

[Xbot_Killer]

konami will keep everyone in suspense over this because it generates interest in their brand, their website, their games, etc...

is a fanboy moron, Kojima already said all there is to say regarding this matter. MGS4 geared toward movie theater hardware (PS3) and can't be run by DVD hardware (360).

the only ones keeping this afloat are poor desperate xbots that just can't handle the reality that there sweet little console is already being left behind by the very next gen that it was supposed to rule.

to the fellow below me:

and what do you get when a movie comes to DVD?? do you get the full resolution film reel and uncompressed 7.1 audio?? or do you get the severely compressed, squeezed into 5.1 fasimile that DVD provides??

I already said that if the 360 ever saw this game it would be a shadow of a shadow of what the PS3 will see.

lol aramis, have you ever heard of an analogy, it was not meant to be a technical explanation of what the differences will be. If you want to go that route look into realtime self shadowing which is being done for MGS4. The sheer scope and number of soldiers on screen at one time. And the biggest difference from what the 360 can do will be the polygon count of the individual models.

one gears of war character is made up of 15,000 polygons, that's a little over twice the amount of poly's used for last gen xbox character models.

now get this:

in MGS4 Snake's moustache alone is made up of 60,000 polygons, that's the amount they used for one soldier in MGS3. This is where xbots usually fall silent. The 360 couldn't handle 60,000 polys per character much less just for the moustache on snake.

anyone that thinks the 360 can handle a game that is meant for the PS3's strengths is smokin some serious microsoft crack.

[Xi]

everything in theaters comes to DVD sooner or later.

[Aramis001]

If the sound and the video are the only thing that changes between versions, isn't it still the same game? I mean sure I'm all for good graphics but last time i checked it was the gameplay that was important, right? If a port is "shadow of a shadow" of its former self because the sound and graphics aren't as good as the original but everything else is the same I think that would be a decidedly negative comment on the gameplay content.

[socomnick]

Dvd and blue ray are only storage formats. The game will run on both if size is a issue just include it in multiple dvds and the problem is solved. Cant remember but was mgs 1 on like 3 cds.

[EDF 2017]

The 360 can push almost twice as many poly's as the PS3, it can do 6 billion but is hard coded to do 500 million max, and yes it will eventually have that many on screen. For example PGR3 only has about 4,000,000 poly's on screen at once, imagine by the end of the 360's life cycle, PGR5 will look real.

Hard to swallow for PS3 fanboys, the facts:

GPU Configuration...
*RSX > 24 pixel pipelines with 2 shader units each (1 coupled to a texture unit) at 550Mhz
*XENOS > 48 unified pipelines with 1 shader unit each at 500Mhz.

Maximum theoretical shader operations (a shader operation is comprised of vector operations and a scalar operation)...
*RSX > 48 shader units at 550MHz = 26.4 billion shader operations per second.
*XENOS > 48 shader units at 500Mhz = 24 billion shader operations per second.

Accounting for architectural caveats...
*RSX > When texture operations are done you lose a shader unit per pixel pipeline... so you would have only 13.2-19 billion shader operations per second of the maximum 26.4 billion shader operations per second available.
*XENOS > Pipelines have to be used for geometry (as far as I know) so considering your average x360 game using roughly 8-10 of those 48 pipelines for geometry you would have roughly 19-20 billion of the maximum 24 billion shader operations per second available.

Accounting for architectural efficiency...
*RSX > Much like the Geforce line of GPUs they would exhibit roughly 50-60% of their effective shader performance in a real world application. So you would have only 6.6-11.9 Billion shader operations per second of the 13.2-19 billion shader operations per second maximum effective.
*XENOS > It is stated it has an efficiency of around 95% and stands to be extremely efficient as it achieves a very high utlization rate, but I am using a 80-95% range for this argument. So you would have only 15-19 billion shader operations per second of the 19-20 billion shader operations per second maximum effective (on average).

So considering everything XENOS should perform roughly 2-3 times faster than the RSX at 550Mhz in pixel shader operations in a real world enviroment. Of course it remains to be seen if this will be the case as unified shaders are a new evolution of GPU pipelines.

Ah... one more thing... about pixel shader operations, they have nothing to due with the performance of GRAPHICS as a whole. Rather... they are important for games that rely heavily on pixel shader programs... but for games that don't they are more or less useless (after all a pixel shader program does just that... it modifies the color of a pixel). What *IS* important is the number of pipelines in a graphics processor (and with that said XENOS can push nearly twice as many pixels compared to the RSX per cycle... again assuming you are using all 48 for pixel data), your texture performance (XENOS can perform 16 texture operations per cycle (and another 16 for vertex textures) in parallal to the shader units for a total of 8 billion texals/second and the RSX can perform UPTO 24 texture operations per cycle (but if both shader units are being used you lose that texture operation) so you have anywhere from 0-13.2 billion texals/second (or a running average of 6.6 billion texals/second)). Finally... geometry performance... while a lot of PC games are not geometry limited... console games typically are, and it is important to keep this in mind in the next generation of games which will be pushing many many polygons per frame. The RSX with it's 8 vertex pipelines can perform a theoretical maximum of 1.1 billion polygons/sec (though it will never come anywhere close to this) and XENOS with it's 48 pipelines can perform upto 6 billion polygons/sec, though is hardware limited to 500 million. Though due to the number of pipelines in XENOS the Xbox360 is *FAR* more likely to achieve that 500 million polygon per second claim... the XBox360 will have an significant advantage when it comes to geometry in the next generation of consoles.

It helps if the same math is used across the two GPUs to derive the correct numbers, but as always there are smaller details that can affect things. I am giving the bigger picture here with those numbers... but it still remains to be seen how they actually perform (and we already know how the Geforce 7800 GTX performs).

There you have it... enjoy... have a good night.

[EDF 2017]

Well... while XENOS actual performance should be better than the RSX's it is more important to remember that XENOS's feature set is better also. This will be important in future game engines as XENOS will have the features needed in future games (DX10 and so forth) while the RSX is limited to current generation features. I would like to say that the GPU in the PS3 is still pretty darn powerful... even if XENOS exceeds it. It is *FAR* more preferable that Sony decided to use nVidia's solution instead of their own (which was basically an array of Cell CPUs to handle everything). In doing this it makes the PS3 easier to work with (though the actual game code will still be an issue... at least they won't have to worry about how to use the graphics processor as it is a very well know GPU architecture) and this should mean that the PS3 will remain competitive to the XBox360 graphically speaking (much like how the PS2/GC remained competitive to the XBox graphically). There likely won't be much of a difference between the two system's games graphically with their 1st or 2nd generation games outside of imagine quality and framerate performance (in which case XENOS will have the advantage in both cases), but come 3rd generation and future games... there will be a difference as newer graphics engines are created in the future. It should be interesting to see what both platforms can do graphically as both are a closed architecture...

It's all about the hardware features...

[DJ]

to cross over. Simple as that.

[Dr Pepper]

I don't. If I did, I would have gotten a PS3 instead.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

You don`t even own a ps3!

[Covenant]

Until we get an official announcement either way, "speculation" is all we've got. Apparently, that's enough to raise the ire of numerous fanboys.

Calm down, folks. If it happens, it happens. No need to flame each other over speculative information.

[fenderputty]

I am a Sony fan and couldn't care less either way.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Even though I get the feeling thats it's going multi, I agree it all wait n see at this point. Untill then it's going to be the same arguments back and forth on every MGS4 news or "RUMORS" that pop up on N4G. "Speculation" is all we have at this point but we have to admit with the intrest in this game going multi on the 360 platform has to raise a few eyebrows over at Konami.

[X]

I'm sad. A game series that I enjoy very much has become a political ping pong ball.

[simplemetry]

puck dat man.. xbox gay60 cant handle dat cshit..

[ThaGeNeCySt]

why can't Konami just come out and say "look, it's not coming to 360 and that's that"

I grow tired of this lol

[carlman23]

But the fact that Konami won't outright deny it makes you kinda wonder eh? I mean, look at how quick Epic quashed Gears PS3 rumours... The ONLY reason I could see Konami doing this is for the money. Realistically, if the PS3 only has say 6 million installed at the end of the year, it may just be financially obligatory in order to recoup losses... That being said, MGS2 didn't sell well on Xbox at all.

I'd refuse to believe it except for the fact that Konami ain't denying it outright...

[fenderputty]

I guess we shall see but, 3 million have been sold in 6 months. That's with little games too. I'm sure the holiday season and the coming of some games will ramp up the sales figures. That being said, I'm willing to wager that almost 50% of the current PS3 owners will be picking this game up. I don't see that as being hard to believe. With an install base of even your estimated 6 million, the game will still sell well and make money.

[carlman23]

And I'm willing to believe that most PS3 owners will buy this. But there's also gonna be that 13+ million 360 base that may be financially tempting as well. But like I said, MGS2 didn't sell all that hot, so we'll have to see.

[jaydesi]

LOL how many times have i said this in topics to do with this, Konami have not even denied it's not coming to X360.

they have been asked many times the same question, "is this going multi" (refused to comment) like i have said before they wait for a while and then like Capcom did drop a bombshell by saying its going "Multi" and expect all the fanboys to get on with it lol.

and not all companies will announce like ROCKSTAR, some will try the CAPCOM approach (lol)

and the same goes for FFXIII.

myself personally i will buy for the PS3.

[DADO]

This way Konami is getting free publicity. The rumors are all over the internet. They don't need to spend any money on advertising yet the game is mentioned on every major gaming news web page.

[xfrgtr]

TheMart,this for you because you so stupid to understand what speculation means "a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence"
Konami is saying there is no evidence,so it is EXCLUSIVE;
TheMart you love sony so much since you want their games so badly,you are so unsecure and why aren't you satisfied with your 360?Muhahahahahahahaha!Poor xbox fanboys who love the playstation but don' want to admit it.

[BitbyDeath]

How can crap like this keep being shown on N4G while the Gears going to PS3 speculation gets taken down immediately.

Over on Neogaf they now ban people for posting MGS4 going to 360 threads.

It's old, i'm over it and i advise everyone else to do the same and just report it

[Nervsys]

Gears will not be going to PS3 because Microsoft own it. Thats the difference.

[snoop_dizzle]

why not we just wait, and see. I highly doubt its coming to the 360, though there still is a chance, but that would be in a long time if it was true.

I mean i can understand posting rumors back and fourth a few times, but after a while it just gets annoying.

Its not like an official announcement or anything, in that case i would approve of it.

Heck, i like to post a story of a rumor once in a while, but not like 20 times.

My gosh really guys both the 360 and PS3 are going to have a bunch of stuff to play. I mean look at the end of the year and the beginning of 08, i have to find time just to play those games with college and all.
Granted many of you must enjoy the MGS series i do(then again i will be playing it), but gosh, all i know is is that come September, bye bye social life.

Adding to that i will be a broke gamer.

[ngg12345]

But it will be inevitable regardless who posts this. The reason why I posted this was just to get easy points, instead of giving someone else these points. THere is really no other reason why these rumours keep getting posted over and over again. I know it is annoying, but this is always what people click on. If less people click on these types of articles then there will probably be less articles.

[Robotz Rule]

Smart as you are wise.

Well said:)

I own both so I don't really care of it going multi,and when there's an official announcement,that's the time to start talkin,not now.

LOL @ PS3 Fan

Classic!

[FeralPhoenix]

Well personally I think the writing is on the wall that it will come over to 360 sometime in the future. He sounded like a politician. I think at this point Konami's trying to balance the situation the best they can, since obviously given the constant rumors and the healthy fanbase of the 360 they have recognized the potential for substantial profits. -At the same time they most definitely don't want to harm there relationship with Sony of the fans so they don't want to "confirm" its a timed exclusive prior to its PS3 release. -Thus they benefit from both camps as the "rumors"(hype) continues, its like "free" advertising....and all they have to do is sit back and watch the "flames" grow.

[*Disclaimer*, N4G is not responsible or liable for any of the above comments these are the opinions and "speculation" of FeralPhoenix alone, you have the option to click "disagree tab" or subtract "bubbles"(-) at anytime(his memo indicates he doesn't care).]

[Shake]

yeah yeah...I played mgs3 and I dont really want the next one so, who cares what I say...good-day!

[FadeToBlack]

First of all, I think that Konami would of flat out squashed the rumor as soon as it started if there was no truth to the rumor. Marc Rein of Epic did just that when rumors of bad relations between MS and themselves was bringing about threats to port or release the next version of Gears on the ps3. Secondly I really dont have much concern about this game considering I will be able to play Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bio Shock, Ace Combat 6, GTA 4 and more before this game is even released.

[BitbyDeath]

They have, hundreds of times over... they have

[Lacarious]

if konami cares to make a profit this year or early next.

[power of Green]

Beer sprayed out of my nose when i read your post #18.1. lol

[Weed]

I got a good laugh out of his response too lol.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Oh my god stop posting these STORIES...geez. It's completely obvious it will be on the 360 as well. If it was straight up a PS3 exclusive they would say that. Kind of like Gears of war, remember how they said the rumor was lame as hell and totally squashed it. Ok so they say it's 'speculation' it's more like 'not the time to announce this' I could care less what system it's on as I will only buy this for my PS3. I would rather it be on just the PS3 because this is a great great title and I think that's where it should stay for competitive reasons.

[Marty8370]

I think this story firmly puts all them rumours of 360 MGS4 to rest. Can you imagine how many DVD9's it would need.

[Pika-pie]

I dont mean any disrespect to Xbox fans but - LMAO, that is funny

[sandip787]

wow, look at how much of a kaffufle this caused. this game will be LEGENDARY. in my eyes, if you want the game, get the damn console its supposed to be on. the e3 trailer said that the cell would be the key to the war. do you really thick it will go to 360 after that? im not saying it wont ever reach it, im just saying not very soon. i could speculate all i want.
this series which i have grown up loving really is being used as a trophy, and i really down like that

[kevin1122]

konami and kojima have said this is exclusive to ps3 multiple times. Like the guy said, this is all speculation.

[MetalNCarnet]

Kojima was the only one that has said that straight out. But the last time I checked, he is just a developer. When it comes down to it, the suits at Konami are the ones who say where their money goes. Even if Kojima said no, weather he likes it or not, he has to do what the suits say. If they say to put it on 360 also, he has to do it. Simple buisness.

[aahenry]

It will come out for xbox 360 and when it does, I can't wait to say " I told you so" to all the fanboys.

[BIadestarX]

I understand why Sony fans refuse to believe that there is any posibility that this game would be ported to the 360. And if Sony really care about their fans they should become Konami's b!tch and give them anything they ask for. What if Konami wants 30% of Sony shares? Give it to them! HEHE. I asure you that Microsoft have people reading this forums and getting a feel about what gamers want. And if you think that microsoft does not know what impact bringing Metal Gear and Final fantasy can have in Sony future you are mistaken. Microsoft will offer Konami and square enough money to make them think about porting or making another Metal Gear or Final Fantasy on the 360.
Now, this may never happen, and Konami and square may be in the gaming business because they are Sony fanboys and may be willing to NOT make a few extra millions. Just remember... that microsoft are known for buying people out. The same way most of you though that games like DMC and GTA would never be on the xbox... and ohh boy how wrong you were.
A little bird told me.... that E3 will bring pain to some and joy to others. Microsoft has a little surprice, hence why they are so quiet.
Please Sony fanboys don't put yourself in a situation where we have to quote you and make fun of you. You Sony fanboys are on for a surprise.

[Dread1981]

i love mgs, i find to be a very cool serie, but i dont see the point in makeing all the fuss about it, look mgs was first on nes then ps and they have stayed there since, i dont see why you all just want to be mean on ppl just because you cant play it on your system.. grow up its realy childish off you to be like this.. gezz i hate ppl who like this.

[BIadestarX]

I think I can answer that. Look around.. See Sony fans? They believe the 360 is not technically capable or games like final fantasy or Metal Gear. I for once will buy a PS3 only if these games are exclusive. Since I already own a 360 why would I pay $600 + games instead of just paying $60 for the game. Does not make sense does it? Why do I have a 360 and not a PS3? Simply because the 360 came first and it had games I wanted. Now the PS3 also has games I want but they are not out yet. When the games come then I will pay the money, not the other way around. Heck I may even buy it when Warhawk comes out. I really like that game. So, from the PS3 I want Warhawk, MGS and Final fantasy.

I think eventually I will endup buying a PS3. So, I don't think I care if these games come to the 360 or not. Seriously what's so bad about owning both consoles? Ask anyone that owns both consoles and they love both. I think the only reason why I would love for them to become 360 games is the flame and war we would have around here.
Sony fans would die and online petitions would bring the internet down! HAHA... Also, the quotes? It would be priceless to see all the Sony fanboys going nutz. If they went mad for DMC imagine how they would go for a game like metal gear.

[trane07]

I just about almost agreed with what you said until the ignorance in your last few sentences kicked in. Saying you want a game to get ported just because you want some "sony fanboys" to get mad is stupid in my opinion and I think thats what a close majority of the 360 users want for that reason which is to use "Ha I got your exclusive take that sony" in their arsenal and I think that is ignorant and stupid for anyone to sit there and say "ha" to a person who forked over 600 dollars to buy a game that they expected to be only on that particular console hence the name "exclusive" because thats the reason they bought it.

No one wants to hear that one of their favorite games that they expected to be on a console they payed a killing for to get ported to the cheaper console and they could have bought it cheaper and thats why some want it to stay. To sit there and laugh about it and want the game for the main reason to talk trash is fanboy standards. Sorry but it is.

Me, I want it to stay just to show that game companies dont cater to rumors nor do they worry about "fanbase" when they made the statement "ps3 exclusive" and stick to their words about it no matter how much money MS wants to try and throw out at them. Any person would and thats why someone buys a system.

Who the hell wants a system with no exclusives whatsoever and where everything is multiplatform? Exclusives make a system.

[Charlie2688]

I bought a f-ing 360 so I could play f-ing 360 games not dream about PS3 games, when I want PS3 games I will buy a f-ing PS3, you buy a specific console to play that consoles games not buy it hoping to get the other consoles games...so I guess some 360 fanboys in this thread seem to have bought the wrong console

[Dread1981]

Kojima and konami, are not making this game, only kojima and kojima production. tjek the mgs4 trailers and see for your self

[FadeToBlack]

Where is the developer without a publisher? Nowhere...

[Elginer]

and who owns Kojima Productions? Oh yea Konami.

[artman]

it will go to 360, when ps3 is dead, but honestly... i don't think so.
well... maybe it will release on 360... but for sure not in 2008, 2010? 2011? remember MGS3? how many years after to release on xbox after ps2?
well... I hope that time 360 still have it's trophy. I'm a little bit doubting 360 now.

[Rhaigun]

Would not confirm...or deny? Sounds fishy to me.

[TruthHurts]

i don`t think it will. but if it goes it`ll only go once (like GTA). and if it goes expect alot of discs.

[ngg12345]

This states that the rumour of mgs4 is false. If anyone knows the word, out of 92 comments, what it means they would have figured it out.
Speculation: A message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
Why didn't anyone post the word? I will never know.

[progx]

Konami hasn't given a definite answer. If its really not gona be released on 360, then SAY IT. When tards said that Epic was pissed at MS and Gears of War was comin to ps3 Epic came out and said no, it wasn't true.

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News...

So if 360 isn't gona get MGS 4, then TELL US. Quit d*ckin around Konami.

[Game13a13y]

whoever spread this kind of rumor without any solid ground to base on is asking god(or satan) to strike him in the head. this rumor is a bunch of nonsense as calling halo 3 will be on PS 3.

[sonarus]

This never gets old. The question you want to ask yourself is do you really want to be playing MGS4 when am already looking towards MGS5 a yr later i have finished the game and enjoyed all the spoils.

[The Karate Kid]

1st off lets be honest and very candid....If Metal Gear Solid 4 was to ever appear on the 360 it wouldnt be the Metal Gear Solid 4 that we know, It would be a watered down stripped version of the game which would suck anyways. It's really funny how 360 fanboys are trying hard to defend the system simply because ALL OF YOU know the end is coming and its coming very very soon lol.

Halo 3 will drop on september 25th and Halo 3 will sell millions of copies probably about 4-6 million. Then it will be over for the system *THE END* because after that all hell will break loose and the PS3 will begin the dominance in the industry. Metal Gear Solid 4 is just an add on, nothing that we actually need to survive on and we are going to get it. Kojima is not going to make a 360 version of Metal Gear Solid so just forget it. If the guy tells you the game has to be released on a THEATRE TYPE OF SYSTEM what does that tell you???????????? if he tells you that Devil May Cry 4 will be multiplatform because it is a little dvd type of game then that should tell you something aswell. Just let it go and forget about it, its not coming to 360.

And YES worst case senario even if it does come out, it would be like 6-12 months later watered down 8 gig version on 6 different disks and only 8 gigs long. Because of DVD format graphics and sound will be jacked up......it would be very very bad. So why even care.

Xbox 360 is a great system to have if you already own a PS3 or its a great system to have if your holding on to it until October and then trade it in for a PS3 but its a VERY VERY bad system to own if thats your only system. That is the honest god truth.... You can call me names and hate me and dissagree all you want but it IS THE TRUTH. It is a very VERY very VERY limited system with limted and I do mean limited capabilities. WE DO NEED BLU-RAY FOR THIS GENERATION, anyone who told you different is lying to you. Thats liek saying we dont need HD-DVD OR BLU-RAY for high definition movies lol. We need it for High Definition gaming aswell..................Compre ssion KILLS GRAPHICS AND SOUND..............MP3 VERSUS AUDIO CD lol..........

Its pretty sad how 360 has nothing to look forward after Halo 3 lol. And with those cheap looking graphics thats pretty pathetic. So i guess i can understand how BAD you Fanboys want Metal gear Solid 4 to appear on that wack platform but it aint happening!!!!!!! Here is what Im happy with

KILLZONE 2
METAL GEAR SOLID 4
UNCHARTED DRAKES FORTUNE
HEAVENLY SWORD
LAIR
NINJA GAIDEN SIGMA
RATCHET & CLANK TOOLS OF DESTRUCTION
HAZE
DEVIL MAY CRY 4 *Multiplatform*
FINAL FANTASY 13
GRAN TURISMO 5
GETAWAY
8 DAYS
SOCOM CONFRONTATION
WAR HAWK

***PLAYSTATION HOME***

I mean look at whats in store for us Sony Owners =)
How can you be a fan of Video Games and not be excited over this killer lineup.

And to you 360 Fanboys YES YES YES I do own a Xbox 360 Elite, why ?? because right now it has some good games and I am playing GEARS OF WAR right now BUT the system is very limited. 8 GIG DVD drive just wont cut it, IT WONT LAST without the CELL PROCESSOR and the GRAPHIC CARD OF THE SYSTEM SUCKS, and while it has great games right now 1 year from Today it will be lost in transition =( so trust me I am a proud owner of all platforms but I am a true fan of REAL TECHNOLOGY and I want the BEST the INDUSTRY has to offer Which is a Playstation 3 system.

[BIadestarX]

ohh wow... I just puke in my mouth. I like some of the games you listed there. But saying that the 360 has nothing to look forward but just Halo 3 automatically remove any credibility you had. Heck, why would I believe anyone that look like you (See picture) and has a tatoo on his left butt cheek that says, "Sony For life"?
"And to you 360 Fanboys YES YES YES I do own a Xbox 360 Elite" aha ahhahaha. Please can anyone help me describe the intelligence of a person that spends 90% of his comments... flaming the 360 by saying that after Halo 3 the 360 has and will not have games... Then go and spend $480 for something he dislikes... also goes on saying, "because right now it has some good games"... What the... didn't you just say.. that the 360 only has Halo?
I have more respect for those that buy a PS3 and wouldnt buy a 360 because they don't like it... then those that play money for a product they don't like.

[Why o why]

id say the same about you bladestar. you will probably get a ps3 but you posts seem anti ps3 not just anti ps3fanboy just like ferral phoenix. The rio dude has a couple points and your pic brightened up my morning (London 9.91am)

[power of Green]

WoW!.

[Whoooop]

I think Konami is going with the flow on this, because they are getting free advertising..

MGS4 is getting more attention right now than HALO 3, just cause there's a rumor floating the internet which is very healthy right now for konami..

In my opinion the reason they won't crush the rumor and say is a PS3 exclusive is simple... They don't need to..

They don't have to deny it cause they are third party and SONY hasn't pay for its exclusivity ( maybe they did pay, but we don't know, that's as good rumor as MGS4 going to 360)

Now, EPIC crushed the rumor about GEARS quickly because they have a contract and they got paid for GOW exclusivity, so it was even a obligation for them to deny it right away... it's a very different situation.

I think MGS4 will stay PS3 exclusive, they are just using this opportunity to make the game as HOT as possible so when the time comes PS3 fan base will be suitable for them and THEN they will confirm exclusivity.

[The BS Police]

Why else was Halo 3 on the front page of the todays entertainment section in the Toronto Sun?

[Whoooop]

Never said HALO 3 isn't getting media attention. Of course it's getting attention is comes out in six months.. So I don't understand where are you going with this :P

I was just saying that MSG4 with unknown release date for next year is getting a massive attention right now with this rumor floating everywhere.. even more attention than HALO3 right this minute..

HALO 3 is getting attention and will get even more as the release date gets near.. I was trying to make a point about the rumor I was not trying to bash HALO.

[The BS Police]

What I meant is that I am not seeing any MGS4 rumors anywhere except for this website.

I am seeing more and more articles on Halo 3 than any other game right now.

I'm sorry if I mislead you at all.

[Whoooop]

I got confused then no Big deal.. I understand what you're saying I haven't seen THAT MUCH news about MGS4 either, I was just trying to prove my point..

But to be clear, No HALO bashing from me.. I'll wait for it to be release and then give my opinion bout it..

cheers

[Weed]

I'm pretty sure these rumors have gotten attention elsewhere as they talked about them on Attack Of the Show on G4 recently.

[Sly]

yeah hehe

[Bloodmask]

that you fanboys will wait a year for the PS3. And then on top of that wait over a year for good games. You have collectively wasted 2 next gen gaming years bc you have Sony goggles on. Don't you actually want to play games? Or just dream about how good they might be. No game is worth that kind of delusional dedication.

You know a direct quote from Sony was " PS3 could sell 5 million consoles with no games."...........Do you really want to prove someone right who insults your intelligence?

Sony "This is Waiting"

[AngryTypingGuy]

Two years is a long time to wait for good games. Sony has rested on its laurels a little bit these past couple of years. Giant crabs and "Riiiiiiiiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrrrr" isn't going to impress many people. Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a very impressive system, but without many good games, it lacks substance. The 360 had quite a few great games 8 months in.

[TylerDurden]

The guys on the 1upyours show were saying that this game has been majorly over hyped by Sony over the last 2 years. It got me thinking if this game wasn't hyped so much would 360 owners be as interested in playing? Would the 360 owners who have no interest in playing consider it a trophy or another bragging point if the game was ported?

I mean I liked the first game, but the crazy ending in the second game totally got me out of this series. Only after the 4th game was being hyped so much did I recently purchase MGS3, which BTW was better than the second. I am not the only one who tuned out after the second game, since sales for the third game were about half of what they were for the second game.

Which brings me to another point about overhyping. MGS3 sold about 4 million copies. Which is 1 out of 25 PS2 owners. I am seeing posts on this thread saying that half of PS3 owners will purchase this game. With the hype surrounding this game it will prolly be true.

[nice_cuppa]

seems odd.

dont you think.

is snake hiding in a 360 box ?

[Funky Town_TX]

It is stupid in this day and age to make a 3rd party game exclusive to a console. If Konami wants to spend millions of dollars to make a game on one console only to have poor sales on the game, let them. When they continue to see poor sales on PS3 games then they will see what they need to do. The 360 has games that are out selling PS2 games. 100 million consoles not selling more software units than a 11 million console user base. This should be an eye opener. You guys sit and fight over stupid stuff. Go look at the sales charts and you will see. Guitar Hero II should be selling more units on the PS2 not the 360. Publishers and investors look at stuff like this. $$$$ runs this business. I don't care what console you like but when the 360 launched it had games in the top 10 for units sold. Stop the fangirl crap and just game. If I get to play Halo3 I could care less if a PS3 lover gets it on their console as well. If I don't get to play MGS4 I don't care, because I don't the MGS series. I think that once the PS3 has a price drop it will do great. Kids buy the Playstation brand and the PS3 is priced out of their range right now. Once the price drops then the units will go up, and I hope the game sales go up as well.

I'm not a Sony fan but I don't want M$ and Nintendo to continue to beat the PS3 in sales. I want all three companies to do well. Competition is great for gamers and the gaming industry as a whole.

[AcidRhain]

Common, it's sooo OBVIOUS. Open your eyes and open your closed minded fanboyisms. You can argue all night and day about this, how Konami "loves" the PS3 bullsh!t. Who are you kidding? In denial much? Well Konami has a PS3 clause where they can't say anything about the X360 version so Sony can claim exclusivity as long as they can to sell more consoles... just like every other 'exclusives' that jumped ship to the box. If Konami is beating around the bush about the exclusivity, it's obviously coming to the 360. argue all you want about how it's "built form the ground up on the PS3" bs. but common now... get real... this game WILL be ported as its easy to port from ps to xbox, they would be 'stupid Japanese' if they don't. and I don't think they want to be stupid now do you.
Anyways, that's all... Get it for your Ps3, get it for your Xbox360... just play the game. every1 wins as they aren't forced to buy a bluray player to play this game.

[smart_head]

I'm sure this has been said in one (or more) of the previous posts but c'mon everyone, why fight when nobody knows for sure whether MGS4 is coming to xbox 360? I just wish for Konami to release their plans about bringing the game to the console as soon as possible. People's curiosity has reached the utmost level now. But one thing's for sure, which is that since Konami is not denying or accepting the fact that the game would eventually come to 360, it seems that they're in discussion with Sony about the future of PS3, or have been asked to keep their mouth shut by Sony, or worse (for Sony fanboys, at least), Microsoft is in talks with Konami about bringing the game to 360. Or it could even be that Konami wants to wait and see if the PS3 version sells well and if it doesn't then they release the game for 360. Hmmm... thought I should share my views with you all and see what the more informed of us think. I really don't wanna read every single post on this page because most people are just bashing each other.

[BitbyDeath]

Everyone report it, N4G admins need a kick in the pants for not getting rid of it earlier

[ApocalypseShadow]

and i think to myself sometimes,"this site is great.""and then sometimes like this article i think,"this site is garbage."

this site hits new lows every week.

rumor,speculation,lies,rumors ,speculation,lies.....it just never ends.i might post what i think is fact,but never spread rumors,speculate or lie.what is this site trying to accomplish?ng12345,how do you feel now that you got your 2000 points?feel better?

not only that,but the constant bickering.but that's only the beginning.
360 gamers(some,not all) claim they have a great system.and it does have great games on it.if the issue with the console was cleared up,and the company fixed the problems instead of sweeping it under the rug and saying"at least we have a good turn around getting the broken systems fixed and returned,"i'd get one.

i may like sony systems more.but only because it has more japanese games i like.i like action.i like rpgs.i like adventure that japanese artists make.you never hear me say 360 games suck.i might bag on something to even the playfield.but never"360 games suck."because the statement would be false.

BUT I DON'T WISH FOR 360 GAMES TO COME TO PS3.

it seems every game coming to ps3,some 360 fans want it.get a ps3.you don't see ps3 fans wishing for 360 games.i mean i almost NEVER see that.there's no rumors about dead or alive or ninja gaiden 2 or naruto or any game on 360 blown out of proportion to come to ps3.ps3 fans are waiting for what sony is cooking.and so far what they are cooking is good.

motorstorm and resistance speak volumes on what can be done.and with things like uncharted,lair,rachet ,8 days,white knight story,GT5,LBP,and so on coming,my plate is full.I CAN WAIT FOR QUALITY JAPANESE CONTENT.but still love euro/american content.and that's not even adding what the psp can do with ps3.

if a game comes from 360 to ps3.hey,fine.someone might want to play it.but you won't see me snicker and chuckle and say"told you so.""knew it was coming."i think the devs left the door open."some of the adults here act like children.but i also forget some of you aren't even of voting age yet.gaming has gone from fun to political nonsense.it's a good thing 8-16 bit games bring me back or i'd go insane reading this site.

if it's announced as exclusive or announced as multiplatform at E3,i think that should end it.but the constant "is it coming,is it coming,is it coming,i know it's coming,do you think it's coming,i think it might be coming,is getting soooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooollllll llllllllllllllllllllldddddddddd dd aaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllrrrrrrrr rrreeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddd ddddddddddddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .

[bee2427]

i dont know about other people but even if gears went to the ps3 i wouldnt buy it and if halo 3 came to the ps3 i wouldnt buy it either, i dont think it would be the same experience id rather play it on a 360 or nothing ... but right now im not buying it until a friend does so i can try it becuz i have major doubts on how much better halo 3 will be from halo 2... i dont see alot of sony fans wanting xbox exclusives it seems the other way around i mean sony fans are just trying to keep the exclusives but i mean xbox fans jus seem blood hungry to want all sonys games and for what reason so they can say xbox 360 is better... not a chance keep dreaming

[Uganda64]

Here's the deal.

-MGS4 is exclusive to PS3. Already announced, confirmed, etc millions of times by Kojima AND Konami.

-Already announced to be impossible on 360 by Kojima (except for once in 2005 when he was talking about the demo, then he retracted that statement in 2006)

-This is Konami saying that the story is just speculation, i.e. NOT TRUE.

-People comparing to Mark Rein are wrong. He and Epic have NO POWER over where Gears goes. He was shutting down the rumour that Cliffy was threatening to bring it over, as this is obviously impossible, and only MS can do it as they have total control and publishing rights.

-If anyone DARES to disagree and thinks MGS4 is still coming to 360, REPLY TO THIS POST and make a bet. You leave N4G until MGS4 is announced in any way shape or form for 360 (even as a subwhatever edition), and I leave N4G forever if it is announced. Everyone was afraid to do it the last time I posted this, so I know that none of you are THAT sure of yourselves and are just saying sh** to spite others.

EDIT FOR BELOW:
Sorry about that use of the word speculation, by saying "Not true" I'm responding to the people like Xi who would have you believe that speculation means it is true. It's neither true nor false as you said.
However, by looking at other places where the issue is mentioned, it's quite clearly labeled exclusive. Also, it does mean not true in this case, because the rumours make themselves out to be real news stories which claim that it's actually already happening. It is not. The stories are false.

They have outright said it was a PS3 exclusive, I guess people gloss over that fact in favour of rumours like this. But they have no legal responsibility in say the situation where Sony HQ explodes and PS3 is discontinued so they have to put it on 360 if they don't say, "it's never coming to 360" - these are only the PR people saying "so far" etc, Kojima has been quite clear, as has Konami previously.

Epic has no such responsibility - they're saying the rumour is false (it's impossible to be true anyway), and that MS chooses where it goes. True. They say without MS, the game won't leave 360. True. If MS wants to put it on PS3 later, then Epic's at no fault. There's why the comparison is invalid.

Ace Combat 6 - how was THAT game a PS3 exclusive? It was exclusive to PS2 and PS1 in previous installments, but then it was announced for 360 as an exclusive, then devolved into a timed exclusive aka not exclusive (like GTA last gen). The definition of an exclusive is not which series of platforms the series was exclusive to, it's the platform it solely appears on. That's also why PC/360 games are not exclusives.

Assassin's Creed was actually announced in 2005 for Xbox 360 under the name project assassin at X05.
Here's an article on the day of the announcement for PS3:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006...
See the text at the bottom?

"Update: Assassin's Creed (or 'Project Assassin,' as it was formerly titled) was also announced for the Xbox 360 at X05. Despite 1Up's article, and until further notice, the game should not be considered a PS3 exclusive."

It was a HUUUUUGE mistake to think it was a PS3 exclusive, and that's where everyone was confused.

Search google for similar news stories if you want.

Now, why don't Sega consoles count? Virtua tennis started on Sega consoles, and the ONLY other VT title was on PS2, and it was never even made for PS2, it was a Dreamcast port.

From Crazzyman's post

Virtua Tennis - Dreamcast/PC.
Virtua Tennis 2 - Sega NAOMI, Dreamcast and PS2.

To say it was even in the same vein as Ace Combat, where most people think there's something to argue about is wrong. It wasn't even announced as exclusive for PS3. It wasn't even the better version!!!

GT4 - I meant GTA. GTA began on PC, then it came to PS2 as GTA3, then it was ported to Xbox and PC. Like DMC3, only a timed exclusive. This time, it's not a timed exclusive, but timed exclusive was never exclusive was it? Or should we count 360 'timed exclusives' as real exclusives, then say 360 lost them when they come to PS3 and we know they will (Ace combat 6)

Bioshock was being built for PS3, PSM/OPM keeps covering it, and no amount of suppression or denial on T2's part can make it not come out next year, or make people think there isn't a Microsoft based NDA. Also, it's on PC, so yeah.

[bee2427]

pretty intense... im not betting against u hah

[BIadestarX]

You are probably right about this game never being released on the 360... But is that a new thing of Sony fanboys?

"This is Konami saying that the story is just speculation, i.e. NOT TRUE."

speculation does not mean - NOT TRUE.

Here is the true definition:
guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence); "speculations about the outcome of the election"; "he dismissed it as mere conjecture".

I will give you an example to help you understand, "He speculate H. Clinton will be the next president of united state". Does this mean it can't happen?

I think what started this whole thing (again) is that Konami used the worst word to debunk a rumor. You don't use the word speculate which also means guess... because people that speculate and guess sometimes are right. They are NOT saying it will come to the 360... I'll give you that... but they avoid giving a direct answer. The question is why? If the game has no chance of coming to the 360... why didn't they play the EPIC card when they heard about the rumor of gears coming to the PS3, "Gears to PS3 is complete BS". Well, Konami had the chance of ending it and still do. All they have to do is say "Metal Gear to 360 is complete BS. We will never make it for the 360.".. Hey, Team Ninja did it with the NG Sigma when they said.. it was not coming to the 360. Konami know all rumors can end if they say that. And Sony will love them if they do. Why don't they do it. Who knows maybe after this big mess... they will grow some balls.. and Simply say it without avoiding the question... "speculation"... give me a break... that word made it worst. Maybe that's exacly what they wanted.

"Ace Combat as stated was a 360 exclusive lost" - Can you believe this guy? Ace combat was never released on the xbox only on previous Playstation (PS1, PS2). Are you sure the 360 lost that exclusive and not the other way around?

"Assassin's Creed" LOL... Actually it was anounce for the PS3... they just had it running on the 360 since.... uggg.. I don't know... maybe because the PS3 hardware was not finalized.

"Bioshock" - Show me where did you get this from... links... links..

"VT3 was never an exclusive series nor xclusive, and neither was GT4."... ohh NO? Please name another console outside of the Playstation where these games were published? (please don't say Sega).

[Uganda64]

-Don't say no one knows for sure where this game is going etc. If anyone bothered to listen to Kojima or Konami for the past few years and ignored rumours which kept getting shut down by them, you'd know it was PS3 exclusive.

-The Konami loves money argument doesn't matter when Kojima has total power, he says it's PS3 exclusive, and it can't be done on other platforms. Also, it's big enough to make back its costs - R:FOM sold over 1 million.

-Some Xbox fans are angry that PS3 even has big third party exclusives like MGS4 and FFXIII - the biggest in the biz right now (as 3rd party exclusives go) and therefore are unhappy and confused as to why they can't have them. Simple - they're forever PS3 exclusives and you need a PS3 to play them. Don't be arrogant like TheMart and think they're coming to 360 EVER. They aren't.

Also, Ace Combat 6, Eternal Sonata, Vampire Rain, Enchanted Arms, all 360 lost exclusives. PC/360 games coming to PS3 now are Timeshift, Crossfire, Kane & Lynch, Bioshock, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed (it was on 360 first, some people don't know that)
PS3 titles lost - to correct that crappy Mart copy and paste list which was disproven hundreds of times - DMC4 (smaller than R&C's sales, and on the decline, also available on PC before this gen), VF5, Koei's crap.
Ace Combat as stated was a 360 exclusive lost, VT3 was never an exclusive series nor exclusive, and neither was GT4.

EDIT FOR PROOF:
http://ps3.qj.net/Kojima-di...
"Kojima revealed that Snake's new camouflage suit and the "Octo Cam" as seen in the MGS4 E3 trailer will automatically change color, depending on the surroundings, when Snake is immobile. Kojima claims that this effect is only possible on the PS3."

http://www.gamepro.com/news...
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well," he explained. "The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations.

[L]ike I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware," Kojima responded. "It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform."

We "NEED" theatre-type hardware. We "NEED" theatre-type hardware. Let it sink in.
People say things that come to theatre all go to DVD, but that's not even close to the point of the analogy. The DVD =/= the theatre. The DVD can't pull off the scenario and graphics the game is pushing according to Kojima because the DVD is inferior.

Check out one of the recent podcasts for another confirmation that MGS4 is exclusive to PS3 (before the whole "360 won't affect MGS4 development" debacle)

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...
"MGS4 to be PS3-exclusive
Hideo Kojima says he has no plans to bring any Metal Gear Solid game to a non-Sony next-gen platform, but he has high praise for the Xbox 360."

http://www.computerandvideo...
"Konami has no plans to bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360 at this time," a Konami representative told CVG, reiterating that the Hideo Kojima stealth-em-up was still "exclusive to PlayStation 3."

Don't try and pull out the old "at this time" crap. That doesn't mean it isn't exclusive, PR just opened a legal exit for Konami - they're trained to do this.

Also, Kojima used to be the VP of Konami, and he has his own dev studio Kojima Productions. Part of the deal for creating his own studio was that he had full control over his games, despite Konami publishing them. Also, no matter how much they loved money, if the above wasn't true (and it is), they wouldn't upset Kojima who is their best multimillion dollar dev. (The MGS franchise license belongs to Konami btw, Kojima "licenses" them when creating his games and takes control of those games). They could hand over the franchise to another dev, but they couldn't make/port Kojima's games.

Bububu - MGS2 and MGS1 were ported!
Yes, before Kojima Productions was established. MGS3 was not ported, and was made after KP was created.

In an interview with GameInformer (print magazine), Kojima says he hates ports.

Edit2 @ VGjunkie.
Kojima says the rumour keeps coming up because Xbox fans want MGS. I can't speak for Xbox fans not on the internet, but since it is mainly those fans starting these rumours, it seems to be more of a method to make PS3 look crippled than actually wanting the game. If they really wanted it or were real fans, they would buy the one console it was announced as an exclusive for.

[smart_head]

Hey desperado, would you mind posting links to the articles where you got your facts from? Or do you just remember reading the stuff, because I've been following PS3-related news since E3 2005 and have not come across some of the things you mentioned.

[AcidRhain]

Your halfa$$ list reeks of bullsh!t. But anyways, let's SAY that those games... let me add, SOME of them are but the majority aren't... but let's say they all are... that just means the your PS3 will get the laggy inferior ports. LOL yeah... it doesn't translate to well at the PS3 end, it's proven that PS3 to Xbox is more ideal. You'll just be playing a 'crappy bullsh!t' port of the better versions on the 360 and PC. Maybe I'm wrong after all and the PS3 does manage a better version... but I doubt that would happen just because that seems to be the trend in the PS3.

[ErcsYou]

your edit for proof was right on point. we all read the same news, funny how most forget so quickly. thanx for digging up those old posts, how did this rumor start in the first place? seems more like hopes and dreams to me.

[StrboyM]

if it does come to the 360, it will "red ring" a whole lotta systems...seen that game...its smoking..lol I made a funny.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

you sound like Peter Griffin

[kamakazi]

same sh!t different day, people on this site just never get tired of repeating the same damn thing over and over. alot of you need to get lives, and to those who claim they have a wife and kid, go f*ck your wife and go spend time with your kid, rather than fighting with a bunch of pathetic fanboys. no need to read the comments of a story when the first post belongs to the biggest idiot on here because we all know its downhill from there. i know most people arent die hard fanboys for either side but to those who are get serious these are f*ckin machines they dont love you, they dont feed you and more than likely dont give a sh!t about you so quit your b!tch!ng and play some games.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Look who is complaining

[StrboyM]

my ps3 told me it loved me, when i was playing "Puffy: P.S." and it also said "thank you for playing" at the end of the folklore demo.. so =P

[ShiftyLookingCow]

man that should be annoying, imagine that after each demo or game, marcus fenix says: sh_T

atleast my xbox 360 and my Crysis capable PC do a useful job like............... drying my clothes

[progx]

"If Metal Gear Solid 4 was to ever appear on the 360 it wouldnt be the Metal Gear Solid 4 that we know, It would be a watered down stripped version of the game which would suck anyways."

- no, its a fact that if it comes to 360 nothing will change
http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

Like I said, if its not coning to 360 then wheres the official statement?

[Uganda64]

That's wrong.
What was meant by the comment was that hypothetically (this was addressing fan concerns), if the game were to come to 360, the PS3 version's development would not be hampered. Not, the game can run on 360 fine, as I have clearly explained in my 2nd post above (#84) - check the "proof edit"

Also, what's this about an official statement? Why would everyone be saying "PS3 lost an EXCLUSIVE HAHAHAHHA" if it wasn't exclusive to PS3 in the first place?
And check the same post (#84) for more confirmations that it's PS3 exclusive and is not coming to 360. There's your official statement.

Hell, if it was coming to 360, where's the ACTUAL official statement? HUH? There is NONE! You're just taking this rumour as truth.

If you still disagree, take me up on my bet (#83) by replying to that post and saying you're accepting the bet.

[Solid_Snake316]

im sick and tired of these rumours why u put them 4rom the begining if u no its a rumour at the end. GOD I hate Ps i love it 4 MGS only

[JIN KAZAMA]

They didnt eny it or confirm it. So there is room for people to think that its commin to the 360. If it were exclusive, they should just say its exclusive. I'm thinking its a timed exlcusive for the PS3. Because if its an exclusive, they should just flat out and say it. If it comes to teh 360 about a year later, good for them. Who knows, PS3 might be getting Bioshock. But I am looking forward to Sony's first pary games anyways.

[Genki]

I think that this is all just to garner publicity at this point, and it's a damn good way to do it I think. What better way to keep your game fresh in the minds of potential consumers by feeding the legions of bloodthirsty reporters and journalists exactly what they wanna hear...vagueness with which to twist and misinterpret things.

It probably works better than releasing screens and video, as those sorts of things may or may not initially have that wow factor, but do eventually wear on us over time. This scuttlebutt is a much more safe way of maintaining interest.

Anyway, I can't say whether or not I think it will eventually go multi or not, because these seemingly weekly comments by Konami have too many different ways to interpret them. Maybe we're all just looking into it a bit too much, though, but at any rate...after so many articles about this very same thing...is it really worth going over again?

Personally I think we should all just leave it at that "it might happen or it might not", because this topic was beaten into the ground a long time ago, and every side doesn't have much new to say up to now.

[progx]

needs to just give an official statement. If it were a ps3 exclusive then they woulda said so.

[dork0783]

it is going to 360 but after the ps3 version thou.....

[dork0783]

EPIC IS KEEPING IT REAL! WHY CANT KONAMI!

[SDS Gamerfiend]

This game will come to the 360! I don`t want this game, never liked it to begin with! But Konami will not let all of that money go to waste! You can count on an xbox 360 version with the release of the ps3`s version or a short time after!

[Bloodmask]

should put Solid Snake on the front of a life cereal box.......He does seem to be very popular

[CannonB8]

I have both a PS3 and an Xbox 360. Why? Because I love my games. Both systems have great games (less on the PS3 just now) but both machines have a great future to look forward to.
I, for one, can't wait until MGS4 comes out.
Thing is, though, I have read a lot of comments about how the PS3 has low sales figures and how it would be a financially bad move to release it on one console only. Does no-one realise that MGS4 is a killer-app and therefore, a console-seller? Just wait for the sales spike after the release and you'll see.

Ultimately, it boils down to money, I'm afraid and the time of Third-party exclusives are coming to an end. Simply because they cost too much to produce. Would a film company produce a film and then only show it in Odeon Cinemas? Doesn't happen and with the spiralling costs of Games Development the Games industry is going that way too.

Now can everyone just stop flaming each other and look forward to a great gaming future!!!

[wildcat]

Konami is using 'speculation' rumors to garner attention, or they are beating around the bush in announcing it for 360. If it's a timed exclusive then they probably won't announce it until months after its initial PS3 release.

At least PS3 owners know that it's not being made with multi-platform in mind. So if it's trying to use everything ps3 like cell & blu-ray, I have no quarrel with the decision. FFXIII is a completely different story people...

[egyptian_diarrhea]

gotta love the snake.i have a snake too but it's between my legs (in my arse),hell yéah.

[Bathyj]

Someone will correct me I'm sure but hasn't Kojima stated several times its for PS3 only? What more do you want? Its exclusive, until they decide it isn't probably a year or 18 months from now.

And I'd like to know, do you Xbox fans really want this game this badly or do you just want PS3 to lose an exclusive? I bet its the latter.

And all these. "exclusives are dead" is crap anyway. There aren't many now cos there not many PS3's but by the time this game is out there will probably be 10 million sold. If you cant sell a game with a 10 million userbase then its the games fault. It wont be a problem in this case and exclusives will start to come back for both sides, once there are that many machines around.

[Bathyj]

Can someone honestly tell me what I said that was so bad? Who did I flame or who did I bash? I swear to god half you people just take bubbles cos I like PS3 and I FKN sick of it. Aren't we supposed to talking about something we love doing? If it weren't for the few people whose opinions I like to read I would just wipe my arse with this site.

[wildcat]

for what it's worth, here's a bubble.

[chrno6]

so it does not matter when konami and kojima denied the rumor for numerous times, xbox fanboys still think it will come to the 360 because of money. Not everything has to revolve around money, u idiots. Team ninja did not release ninja gaiden on the ps2 because it is not as grahpically powerful as the xbox, even when it has a fanbase 2x or 3x as much as the xbox. Same story here, kojima wants to release the game on the most versatile console, which is the ps3. Get over it.

[egyptian_diarrhea]

I CAN'TTTT !!! T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T T_T i'm gonna listen to some true heavy metal,MANOWAR, to see if that cheers me up. If that doesn't work, i'll just put on some lipstick,some high-heels shoes, and dance in front of a mirror all naked to the sound of maddona T_T

[Lifendz]

Konami has confirmed it several times and has now said it's only speculation. It's not happening. If you 360 fanboys really want the game then you need to go out and buy a PS3. Just like I'm going to have to get a 360 to play Halo.

[Hayabusa 117]

Why would XBox fanboys buy a PS3 for MGS4 when it's coming to the 360? I'm sorry, but if MGS4 wasn't coming to the 360, why don't Konami say it isn't?

Notice that when it's the Bioshock rumour, 2K say "it's only for 360 and PC".

[FeralPhoenix]

#70.2 "Why o why", so I'm "anti-PS3" according to you?....uhm, I challenge you to quote any of my posts where I "bash", "hate", or say anything negative about the PS3 itself. I own both a PS3 and a 360, but I don't hesitate to say that I favor my 360 much more....and its as simple as personal preference in the type of games I enjoy. -That doesn't mean "I hate the PS3" and I don't go out of my way to spew negativity towards PS3, however I do speak out anytime I feel the need to contradict some of the extreme BS about the 360. -Why because I think its just as good or better in some ways than the PS3, and I don't care if you don't like it but its just my opinion.

Honestly I think both consoles recieve alot of unfair criticism, but I think Sony (only) fans forget that, the 360 fans endured a whole yr of BS & smack talk about how the PS3 would be the end all be all of gaming when it launched. I often hear Sony fans "incorrectly" say that the 360 went a whole yr without competition and I can tell you, 360 is much better off with the PS3 actually available and on the market because fighting a "myth" is the biggest competition anything or any console can face. What I think is going on NOW is that alot of 360 fans feel the need to throw all the garbage back in PS3 fans face. -Its immature, but when you think about it, its just videogame consoles.

What I do find ironic is how much the situation has changed and how quickly PS3(only)fans have forgotten how rude they were over that yr before the PS3, launched....I mean seriously just think about it, that whole year right up until just before the PS3 launched, I never ever heard a PS3 fan say: "Well just wait and give the PS3 time(a yr after launch) and THEN you will see its true potential(great games)". I can honestly admit that I smile everytime I hear that statement, and in FACT its TRUE, PS3 will indeed have some kick@ss games, like MGS4 for instance after about a year in, but the 360 will have its share also, the point is that 360 fans LAUGH when they hear that stuff now from PS3 fanboys because it confirms what we already knew and had been saying for a whole yr. -Trust me those who've been around this site as long as me and others (even if they started a new account) know exactly what I'm talking about.

Look around some Sonyfanboys still think that the hardware is going to be the determining factor between which console has great games...I have no problem with anyone who believes that Sony's 1st party and maybe later 3rd party dev's will make better games for Sony (debatable) but theres no creditable reason to believe that any game, if done correctly can't be done on either console. So yeah, I'm human...I laugh, so what, I still don't go around flaming or calling names....but I will continue to always, ALWAYS speak my mind...and could care less what label I recieve for it, I've never ever asked or cared for bubbles, if I had one bubble tommorrow it would be all I need....its a f-kn videogame news website, as long as I can view the news make one comment I'd be fine with that....and I would still say the kind of things that I say now. -Personally I think if you really read my posts, they are in no way "anti-PS3", but if it bothers you that I don't think its "superior" or "Gods gift to gaming" then I really don't care, MY OPINION remains the same.

BTW, 360 fans are NOT yelling and screaming for "ALL" of the PS3 games (Konami's 3rd party) "journalists" ask them questions because either way its "more traffic" for their site especially when Konami who in the *past* said it was exclusive. then recently gave "vague" statements about it going to the 360, and for now has not killed the "speculation". -Its up to Konami to make their intentions clear, until then the internet/media will "speculate".

[macsto]

Post of the year.

[Lifendz]

They made their intentions clear. Some just choose to disregard these statements.

[Lex Luthor]

Damn right feral, it seems as if sony fanboys have selective amnesia(memory loss)

[TruthHurts]

"What I do find ironic is how much the situation has changed and how quickly PS3(only)fans have forgotten how rude they were over that yr before the PS3, launched....I mean seriously just think about it, that whole year right up until just before the PS3 launched, I never ever heard a PS3 fan say: "Well just wait and give the PS3 time(a yr after launch) and THEN you will see its true potential(great games)". I can honestly admit that I smile everytime I hear that statement, and in FACT its TRUE, PS3 will indeed have some kick@ss games, like MGS4 for instance after about a year in, but the 360 will have its share also, the point is that 360 fans LAUGH when they hear that stuff now from PS3 fanboys because it confirms what we already knew and had been saying for a whole yr."

1st - I`m so pro Sony, and anyone who thinks great games are going to be on any console in the first year, has never owned a system besides the one they own currently.

2nd - The only reason i joined this site is because the second i came all is saw was "xbots" glorifing the 360 and alot of misrepresentations of XBL.

3rd - Sony fans don`t like xbox fans because 1) when the original xbox came out people started dissing Sony prematurally like it was going to destroy the ps2. 2) they didn`t learn from 1 w/ the 360 comin out. 3)Every fact that any of them state is only has to do w/ the 360 after it`s 1st year and the ps3 before it 1st year is over.

4th - 360 fans have the SHORTEST memorys of all of us. cause they always seem to forget about the 360s start (which was worst the the ps3s).

Feral i don`t think your a fanboy, but i do think that comment was pretty biased considering "xbots" do what everything you said too.

[trane07]

http://ps3.qj.net/Kojima-di...
"Kojima revealed that Snake's new camouflage suit and the "Octo Cam" as seen in the MGS4 E3 trailer will automatically change color, depending on the surroundings, when Snake is immobile. Kojima claims that this effect is only possible on the PS3."

http://www.gamepro.com/news...
"The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well," he explained. "The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations.

[L]ike I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware," Kojima responded. "It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform."

We "NEED" theatre-type hardware. We "NEED" theatre-type hardware. Let it sink in.
People say things that come to theatre all go to DVD, but that's not even close to the point of the analogy. The DVD =/= the theatre. The DVD can't pull off the scenario and graphics the game is pushing according to Kojima because the DVD is inferior.

Check out one of the recent podcasts for another confirmation that MGS4 is exclusive to PS3 (before the whole "360 won't affect MGS4 development" debacle)

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...
"MGS4 to be PS3-exclusive
Hideo Kojima says he has no plans to bring any Metal Gear Solid game to a non-Sony next-gen platform, but he has high praise for the Xbox 360."

http://www.computerandvideo...
"Konami has no plans to bring Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Xbox 360 at this time," a Konami representative told CVG, reiterating that the Hideo Kojima stealth-em-up was still "exclusive to PlayStation 3."

Don't try and pull out the old "at this time" crap. That doesn't mean it isn't exclusive, PR just opened a legal exit for Konami - they're trained to do this.

Also, Kojima used to be the VP of Konami, and he has his own dev studio Kojima Productions. Part of the deal for creating his own studio was that he had full control over his games, despite Konami publishing them. Also, no matter how much they loved money, if the above wasn't true (and it is), they wouldn't upset Kojima who is their best multimillion dollar dev. (The MGS franchise license belongs to Konami btw, Kojima "licenses" them when creating his games and takes control of those games). They could hand over the franchise to another dev, but they couldn't make/port Kojima's games.

MGS2 and MGS1 were ported!
Yes, before Kojima Productions was established. MGS3 was not ported, and was made after KP was created.

In an interview with GameInformer (print magazine), Kojima says he hates ports.

Kojima says the rumour keeps coming up because Xbox fans want MGS. I can't speak for Xbox fans not on the internet, but since it is mainly those fans starting these rumours, it seems to be more of a method to make PS3 look crippled than actually wanting the game. If they really wanted it or were real fans, they would buy the one console it was announced as an exclusive for.

And lastly the one infamous hint of all, when he had otacon say in the trailer

"the cell processor is the key to winning the console war."

Take the hint.

[Why o why]

self perpetual news

[Violater]

Whether it goes multi or not, u cannot deny this game get a lot of publicity from the rumor.
No other game on this site gets as much attention and comments none.

Federal You make some good points, but I think the same can be said for both sides.
I'm a lover of games not consoles for the most part.
I have to admit the fanboyism at times is fun much like cheering for your fav sports team. Only in this case we have 3 major teams 4 if you count PC's.
All in all everyone has to agree there are great looking games coming out for both systems can't comment on the Wii it's not on my radar.
2007-2008 great for gamers, great for fanboys

[PS360PCROCKS]

why is this still news? isn't this like um 3-4 days old now?

[THC PRITCHARD]

LOL x box fans look not to be funny but it wont fit on DVD plz

Games will be f..ked soon cause people are running out of space on DVDS and want more in there games.

Blu ray will take the games to the next lv

[sonarus]

The bottom line is even if solid snake and liquid snake came knocking on all your doors and told you he was only appearing on the PS3 a lot of you would still be in disbelief. Well i say let it come am tired of this tired out rumor i bought my PS3 to play MGS but not just MGS a whole lot of other games. Thats why personally i prefer sony games they cater to a far wider audience than microsoft does thus dishing out a vast variety of games.

[TruthHurts]

"Thats why personally i prefer sony games they cater to a far wider audience than microsoft"

Sony definitly caters to a much wider audience. That`s how they stole me away from Nintendo.

[Shake]

MGS3 is ok...but how long are you gonna be playing it,for like 15-20 hours.I mean when halo 3 comes out you will never get bored because it has online features.That means whenever you play another match you wont have the same experience like last time.Plus I played MGS3 and Im not really looking forward to MGS4!

[TruthHurts]

what are you trying to say single player games aren`t worthwhile?

[Why o why]

like a lot of xbox owners. online is what makes a game nowadays. no online features, no chance. a good story and closure just dont seem to be enough any more for some. Give me a good story like farenhiet (indego prophs depending on region) and im spent online just wouldnt make any sense. ms seem to favour optimizing games for online because thats 1 of their biggest revenues. A good story and no online just aint gunna get people on xbl now isit. Ditch the story and make the games lifecycle stretch. better for the cu$tomer better for ms. i personally cant knock games lifecycles being increased but please keep the stories for some the older lot like myself. Resistance was a good balance. Great to play through, great online

[Why o why]

if HK had read any of the many comments on this topic even the ones on n4g he would notice the worrying trend of 'me too' He would of noticed the sales of the previous attempt to share the game which weren't very good for the fanbase that was available at the time. He would notice that a lot of xbox fans dont actually like or rate his games and want to use its name as ammunition against sony which is really stupid. Why would you want a game you dont like and wont purchase. (some) Some points to counter this theory have been made in terms of 'this was the 1 game that was gunna make me have to spend 6 bills, if its coming to xbox why bother.' This is something i agree with to a certain extent but if gears was coming to ps3 i personally wouldn't buy it. It was made ground up on the 360 and that where it belongs. If a sloppy port that didn't take full advantage of the ps3's hardware because it would upset a few IF it was better than the original then they could keep it. If they optimized it that, although HIGHLY improbable , i might consider it. If you wanna play any game that badly get the original system. Sloppy ports are zero fun and a waste of space.

[Violater]

They only want this game to go multi for the detriment of the PS3.
If it is ported to the 360 and in anyway inferior to the original they will stay away from it like the plague.
And if it does go multi I'm still getting it, b/c I know it was built ground up for the PS3, Kojima is too much of a perfectionist to see this game fail in anyway.

In any case Konami's comments have left too much to interpretation.

[nice_cuppa]

its a yes / no question and they said.................

maybe.

[Firewire]

You xbots are really demented! All of you bots are turds.
You know why Konami won't say anything now, because they have said it already several times. It's not coming to the crap box360!
But you little bots just don't stop whining like the little g*y kids that you are!
Keep dreaming about Sony games, you know you have crap to play on the 360 thats why you want PS games. You xbots shouldn't even be called gamers, just defective turds like your defective console!

[m000b1]

right so when mark rein says "GOW is not going to the PS3" its right as rain nothing can be disputed, but when Kojima says " MGS 4 is not going to the 360" its wrong and always gets disputed. hmmm

[calderra]

It would be nice if Konami DID do that. But as this article states, they're pretty wishy-washy about it. Look back at the comment where they said they certainly wouldn't have to change anything about the game IF they ported it to 360, and yet they still won't give a true thumbs up or down.

Gears of War was published by Microsoft, Epic works closely with Microsoft and only Microsoft, Gears of War was announced as an exclusive and maintained that it would be 360-only from the moment it was revealed as a console title.

Konami... still won't really confirm or deny 360. Yes, Kojima himself said it was PS3-only. He also claimed to have played a demo running in realtime on real hardware, before Sony ever minted an RSX chip, and despite media claims he showed off "real gameplay" behind closed doors that looked as good as the '05 demo not long after that e3, not a single current screen nor sighting believed to be gameplay looks anything at all like that trailer or those demos.

So credibility really is a touch strained for him especially.

[tankxtoke]

If you listen to Ryan Payton's podcast you'd know that its entirely possible that MGS4 could be released at a later date on the 360.

And why does it matter? The game wont change at all, they've stated that. All that will happen is more people will play a Metal Gear game.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

who cares if it comes they will look like 2 completely different games, the ps3 version will look way better than when the first 2 times shown, and the 180 version will look like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

And also why get it anyway, the game case will be as thick as an unabridged dictionary, that will be the heaviest game case ever, hope you dont get mugged, you aint runnin nowhere wit that case in ya hands, i mean i thought final fantasy 8 and 9 were bad, but this game will be big as both final fantasy 8 and 9 + some more for the 180, i feel sorry for you if you loose one of those discs, but the thing is how much will a game with that many disc cost, please think that over before wanting our titles, oh and one more question if Halo 3 is soooooooo big and bad, then why do you need this game, i mean the hype for halo 3 is humungus, but you want metal gear and gta, and dmc, and virtua fighter, i could name more but it isnt needed, it must be painfully obvious to D1ckSofT that they cannot beat sony with their own lame titles, so they have to bribe developers that usually would make these games for sony only on their playstations gamming machines, i guess halo isnt the pillar of strength that d1cKsofT WEak BoX 180 fans hype it to be, if microsoft cant win with their own stuff please dont try to buy out original sony only game developers, most of which since ps1, but no matter sony aint worried they got some secrets, still not revealed yet, and i dont mean KILLZONE, and when microsoft looses again, even with attempts of buying out sony exclusives, even making GTA come out for 180 at the same time as ps3(boy how much money did you pay for this one D1CkSofT), why not just give up in gamming D1ckSoFt, i mean that is a humiliating defeat, D1ckSOft is just like CELL from DBZ, no attacks or techniques of his own, but borrowed from the z fighters, is that how you have to do D1ckSOft, if D1cKsofT by some miracle pulls off a victory this gen, i wouldnt even celebrate if i was D1ckSOft, you had to use someone elses original franchises to win, and oh, 180 fans say the "Install base" and "a bigger profit can be made off of the 180", you are right about the bigger profit, but just not in the right way, the bigger profit came before the ps3 even came out, with D1ckSofT bribing of original sony only developers, that is why alot of these games like GTA was some way announced for 180 what 5 or 6 months before ps3 even arrived, so please dont even say the install base was part of that, that is purely D1CKSofts pockets so deep with money, and you like to say that it was never a sony exclusive, but even if when have you ever seen a playstation major title be some kind of way mysteriously appearing on some D1ckSoft employees arm and some kind of way "180" all of a sudden gets GTA, ha man please, enjoy that GTA it dont even look the same, no violence will be in this GTA like the others, this will be your last, the next GTA Rockstar will want to access ps3 innards(some of them atleast) when they see what other companies like guerilla games, and square enix have done with some of the real inner power of the ps3, and you can also forget many other of the mysterious appearances appearing on the 180 again after they see the ps3s power, that will be all

to the guy above you say its doable on the 180, your right and you say that the game will be unchanged, well your right, but just not in the right way, the game is doable, but will look like the above trailer, and what he meant about unchanged is, it wont hinder ps3s metal gear release date, so dont get all hyped up, and you say the game wasnt realtime, if you have seen games and tech demos that i have seen, then you would truely know that this metal gear is ugly compared to ps3 games that are comming, i cant wait til e3, killzone will make all eat their words, and never will speak them again

[Rhezin]

JESUS WHO CARES WHY WON'T THIS TOPIC DIE

[Eagle Eye]

I dont see any reason why this game wont come to the 360 metal gear solid 2 came to xbox. So Hideo Kojima already has proved he has no loyalty too Sony.

Also whats all this talk about MS deep pockets like Sony doesnt got deep pockets damn I wish I had 5 percent of their money.

[THE_JUDGE]

It's PS3! Get over it!

[ironwolf]

Get a life, people!

[Pika-pie]

I just cant stop laughing at some of these posts!!

[FadedDRFT]

I agree, i'm suprised if this site lasts another 2 weeks, these posts are fanboy breading grounds, they destroy the point of 'Happy Gaming'

[gunnar2906]

Dont call them retared or idiots.
They were said a few times that THERE WAS NO MGS4 at X360. Japs are very positive people they dont want to upset anyone. But they told "PS3 is the only platform that is capable for MGS4". Unbelivable but it is true.
The 360 users were said so many times that their choice is the best, that there is no processor in the world that has the power of Xenon, and that Xenos is so progressive that it cannot be compared to anything. Every day, every hour they are told about it. And they stopped even notice that there are not so many good games (but GoW or DoA - the real sellers) in 1,5 years. They notice anything but the untruth that they were told. They dont notice defected consoles, constant hang ups, the lack of good titles on 360. MS washes their brains with comparing charts, articles etc. It anounces everywere that Sony has already lost the battle for the market "driving nails in the PS3 coffin". Everyday. Everywhere.
They forgot just 1 simple thing. There were only 2 reasons of MS success with 360. They were the fact that at Nov 2005 there was no alternative to 360. It gave users what they were dreaming about: new level of game graphics. The second and the last reason was Epic with its GoW. These two are all.
Now when the real threat appeared at horison, MS acts basing on the priciple - the war must be won by any means. I mean disinfo, half- or absolute untruth, bashing. It seeds myths one by one. And with support of their adepts, paid ones or enthusiasts, it became very easy. At first it was fragility and absolute scratch-irresistance of BR-ROMs. When this myth was destroyed they invented the myth about low productivity of Cell and RSX. When another myth was disspelled MS said that Cell is impossible to program due its extreme comlexity. Etc. When talking with a 360 fan it is important to know what of these myths he/she stopped at.
They even dont belive that MGS4 or FFXIII is not possible on 360. Their belief in 360 is like a religion. They will never believe the fact that GT HD, Ninja Gaiden Sigma or Folklore demos are tons better graphically that the most of their beloved games on 360.
For me it is simple. I own both ps3 and 360 since February 2007. When friends come to me they want to see both in action to make the choice. I dont comment anything and give them total freedom to try both. The score now is 5:0. 5 ps3 were bought despite of the dark prognoses or lack of games. They just came, tried and made their own decisions without outter infuence. Illiterate choice? Maybe but very free.

And dont call me pathetic. Anyway it is much better then to be a brainwashed fanatic.

[ACE]

the big deal personely i think the games a load of s%%%

[Bill Gates]

200+ comments on a rumor that's as old as gaming itself. Give it up people.

[EDF 2017]

From Capcom: Xenos is as good as NVidia 8800 and the 360 GPU is comparable to Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz). They feel the vertex performance of the Xbox 360 GPU can match that of NVIDIA GeForce 8800.

WHole Article:

"Capcom MT Framework" is the name of the engine and MT means "Multi-Thread", "Meta Tools" and "Multi-Target".

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After Onimusha 3 they began sharing engines for efficiency. As for MT Framework it was only meant for Dead Rising and Lost Planet at first and it was not their original intention that it would become generic like its current form. When developing these games they evaluated a certain famous middleware but it's a bit different from what they wanted and not enough performance-wise so they began developing a framework easy to use for them.

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MT Framework supports multiplatform. In addition to 360 and PC, they are implementing it for PS3 too. Apparently PC support was developed mainly for development efficiency and prototyping, not really for actual product release. In Oct. 2005 the prototypes for Lost Planet and Dead Rising were already up and running. Around this time, to answer requests for the PS3 version from other people in Capcom they started implementation for PS3 by reusing the basic design of the framework. The PC/360 version was developed by 3 people and then 5, and for the PS3 version 4 people were added.

PC version
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360 version for the same scene
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In MT Framework it's possible to watch processing load in realtime with the Capcom in-house performance monitor. The history for thread usage are also viewable. Graphics settings can be changed in realtime. But they don't license it for other companies for now because their corporate structure is not yet ready and a good game requires not only a bare engine but also per-title customization after all.

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Some say game programs are a typical sequential processing structure and unsuitable for multithreading. However, according to a Capcom developer it's not true. If you look at it from the "task" point of view, dependency can be minimized and you can even say game programs are easy to parallelize. In MT Framework, workload has 3 types: module, task, loop (module is the biggest unit and loop is the smallest). A module is executed in an exclusive thread while a loop and a task are passed as a function pointer to always-running 5 general job threads.

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Modules are basically relatively independent things in a main game program and often related to hardware functions. Rendering, sound, collision, motion, physics simulation, AI are modules and processed in parallel. When dependency can be minimized higher parallelism can be obtained. However it's not easy to separate modules since a game program is often constructed by modules with heavy dependency on each other. Also parallelism based on modules spoils cache efficiency when using SMT because modules are totally different codes.

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A loop is independent and has a high load to process relatively larger data. The good point is it works well with SMT. The bad point is there are not many independent loops that occupy a certain percentage of a game program. Also synchronization overhead is big for a loop with less processing data.

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A task in a game program is a unit that does update and drawing in each frame. It includes player, enemy, bullet, camera, lighting etc.. Each task has an "update process" and a "drawing process". Independent tasks are executed in parallel. The good points are dependency can be limited and SMT efficiency is higher when executing the same kind of tasks. The bad point is it can't be executed in parallel when there are no independent tasks.

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Update process in a task can be further categorized for "parallel update" and "synchronized update". The former is update that can be parallelized and the latter cannot.

In the flow of older game programs (left) CPU does update (the green part) and makes drawing commands (red) and issues them with double buffering to GPU (light blue) and GPU does drawing (blue). In a parallelized game program (right) parallel update (green) are done in multiple CPU cores and synchronized update (yellow) in one core, then drawing commands are created in parallel again (red).
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In parallel update, independent tasks are registered in the same line and dependent ones are in different lines. Tasks in the same line can't refer to or update other tasks. Tasks can refer to tasks in other lines.
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In synchronized update, tasks are sequentially updated in a single thread and tasks can do update and reference in other tasks freely. To end it in the shortest time, the cache and memory bandwidth are fully assigned to the single thread and unnecessary synchronization objects are turned off. Actual calculation is postponed to the next parallel update as much as possible.
In the Xbox 360 version of MT Framework the number of threads are fixed to 5 including the main thread. In an update process tasks in the same line are pushed in the job queue and executed by 5 threads in parallel. When drawing, all tasks are pushed in the queue regardless of lines.

Job queue in symmetric multicore (Xbox 360)
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Lines in a tool in MT Framework
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For parallel drawing commands, drawing order is important.
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First it generates an intermediate drawing command with a priority tag and then sort them to create a native drawing command. Intermediate commands are generated in parallel and stored in a buffer in each thread.
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Then parallel merge sort is applied for each command buffer. Finally multiple command buffers are integrated by merge sort in a single command buffer and converted to a native command.

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Though some say the performance of the Xbox 360 CPU is not very good, according to Capcom, the performance of a single core of the Xbox 360 CPU is 2/3 of the Pentium 4 with the same clock speed. When SMT is fully exploited, about 4 times larger performance can be observed. In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz).

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It's often pointed that the memory controller is the weak point of the 360 architecture. According to Capcom, though the latency is not small, SMT is there to hide it. This is very effective for 360 with about 1.5 times performance per core when SMT is used unlike Pentium 4 with only 1.2-1.3 times faster per core with Hyperthreading.

Dead Rising - 6 threads are 2.6 times as fast as a single thread
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Lost Planet - 2.15 times faster
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A thread that ends quickly has to wait others before the next sync update (= pipeline bubble). When there are many jobs a bubble is minimized since a thread that ended a job fetches another from the queue. When there are few jobs they are processed not in SMT but in different cores. A long job is stacked at the beginning of the queue to reduce stalls.

A scene with low load, the color bars show the load
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A scene with high load
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In the PS3 version of the engine which is currently under development, the parallelism implementation is fairly different due to asymmetric cores. In the job queue, job threads are implemented as software threads. In a job function, a part of processing is offloaded to a co-processor. Until the work is done, it's switched in another software thread. In a co-processor, it fetches data by DMA and process it, then store data by DMA.

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In Lost Planet, each character is 10-20K polys. A VS robot is 30-40K polys. A background is about 500K. With shadows and other hidden rendering cost, it's about 3 million polys per frame. In Dead Rising, it's about 4 million polys. In Lost Planet special effects have more load but in Dead Rising they focused on polygon budgets for zombies.

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Rendering resolusion is 720p. AA is basically 4xMSAA and runs at 30fps, but when load is higher it's dynamically adjusted down to 2xMSAA or no AA. According to Capcom in Xbox 360 2xMSAA is +10% load and 4xMSAA is +20% load.

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160MB textures are in memory at one time, in which 60-80MB are backgrounds. Loading is seamless for Lost Planet.

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Havok for destruction physics
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Dead Rising and Lost Planet both use Havok for basic physics such as ragdoll. Currently Havok physics is running single-thread and implementing a multithreaded engine is a future task for them.

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Character-local physics such as accessories and cloth simulation, character-to-character collisions, and inverse kinematics are done by an original multithreaded physics engine. IK for zombies in Dead Rising became possible by this multithreaded engine.

Without IK
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With IK
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Local physics by the original engine
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Collision detection by the original engine
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The "2.5D motion blur" technique is based on NVIDIA OpenGL Shader Tricks by Simon Green at GDC2003.
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Renders a scene into a texture -> renders a velocity map into a texture by Vertex Shader -> generates the final frame by sampling the scene texture based on the velocity map.
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This method has 3 problems: glitchs in stretching a model that has spots with same vertex coordinates with different normal vectors, image-based rendering artifacts in model edges with different velocities, and doubling vertex load due to original rendering and velocity map rendering. For the 1st problem, they added dummy polygons in vertices like in the stencil shadow volume method.
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For the second problem, the depth information for models is generated when generating a velocity map to reject artifacts.
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Scene texture
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Velocity map
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Artifacts
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Depth information for a scene texture
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Depth information for a velocity map
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Depth information rejecs artifacts
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For the 3rd problem, they use a LOD-like method and apply the 2.5D motion blur that stretches models only to the foreground. Since static models and far models hardly move in the world space, their velocities are drawn based on the information in Z-buffer (= camera blur).
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This 2.5D motion blur is suitable for the unified shader architecture of Xbox 360 as vertex shaders are increased when stretching vertices and pixel shaders are increased when generating a velocity map and a blur. According to Capcom, current 2.5D motion blur takes about 5ms and vertex stretching takes 1ms in it. They feel the vertex performance of the Xbox 360 GPU can match that of NVIDIA GeForce 8800. The bad points are a still picture looks not very good and MSAA can't be applied to the blur. MT Framework can output supersampled images for media PR to hide these defects.
Artifacts
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Supersampled output
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MSAA and edge artifacts
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Quick workaround by stretching edges
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Full-scene 2.5D motion blur pipeline
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2.5D motion blur in the product
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Theoretical PR shot with supersampling
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No blur
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MSAA reduction buffer is based on a presentation by Masaki Kawase for CEDEC 2002. In the original reduction buffer method, scene color and Z are reduced to 1/4 or smaller and draws in them -> draws effects in reduction buffers with transparency in alpha -> enlarges reduction buffers and synthesizes them with a scene by alpha. Though the picture quality is lower than 1/4 it can save the fill rate in 1/4. But this method has several problems in HD. Due to depth test done in a low-res Z-buffer, Z relations between particles and objects are not tested correctly and object edges tend to have artifacts. Also an unnatural blur happens in synthesized parts because of a low-res translucent part of a mask pattern.

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To remedy these problems in the reduction buffer method, MT Framework uses the 10MB EDRAM in the Xbox 360 GPU. In MT Framework, a scene frame is sent to the EDRAM as the content of the sub-pixel buffer without reducing the resolution unlike the original method that reduces it to 1/4. Pixel Shader does the conversion for pixel arrangement in a scene frame and the MSAA sub-pixel buffer. Then it draws translucent particle effects in the EDRAM without adding MSAA. Because of the MSAA algorithm,...

[vidoardes]

Wow. You sir, are an idiot. An idiot with way too much time on His hands. If I had no life, I bet I could go find enough figures to "prove" that the PS3 is the best piece of computing equipment available. In fact, given enough time, I reckon I could use the internet to prove that the Wii is more powerful than the PS3 and the 360, that the moon landing was faked, and Elvis is currently shacked up with 2Pac in the Costa Del Sol. I hope you feel proud of yourself.

Just out of sheer morbid curiosity, I checked a link or two, they didn't work. I got to five, none worked. After ten dead links, I got kinda bored. Don't waste peoples time with BS like this.

As for this topic, a news article that confirms that a rumor is speculative? Seriously, this is the hottest news about? Scary. As long as it is developed with a single platform in mind, then I am sure it will be just as amazing as it predecessors, and I could give a flying f**k where it gets ported to. I spose it would be nice for confirmation either way, but Konami are gonna ride this pony for all it's worth cause it's free PR, so your just gonna have to live with 'articles' like this being posted every day. Square are doing the same, it's free PR and they are loving it. Get over it. Please, so we can read some real news?

[Mighty Boom]

Your links dont work doosh bag!

[ACE]

u clearly know what ur talking about , now watch the fanatics attack u . every thing there is fact .

LostProphet

why attack him? .... ok ok the links dont work but theres no need to attack people like that .

happy gaming to everyone regardless that the 360 is better .

[vidoardes]

Why attack him? Because it has nothing to do with the article, and because it is really, really, really annoying when people post half hours worth of figures about a console trying to prove 'mines bigger than yours'. To top it off, all of this could be complete BS because he hasn't backed any of it up. Do you work for Microsoft? No. Doesn't it matter to you at all what console I buy? No. Why do you care what everyone else thinks about your choices then? This kinda crap happens too much on here, downsides of an unmoderated site I spose