Ubisoft say Splinter Cell Conviction not achievable on PS3 at Current State

A Finnish magazine has recently scored an exclusive interview with Ubisoft regarding their up coming Xbox 360 exclusive Splinter Cell: Conviction. Here you can see some great looking screenshots and a tonne of information that is in Finnish. The main parts have been translated, and as you can see, the developers are saying this won't be possible on the Playstation 3 as it stands.

Hit the jump to read on.

[T-Virus]

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[Jacques VR]

Now finally, everybody can see that the PS3 sucks. I own a PS2 and a xbox 360. No game on the PS3 have yet impressed me. If one of the biggest game devolepors say that the PS3 is holding them back, how can people still doubt the xbox? Open your eyes sony fanboys.

[kornbeaner]

Okay, EA said that the power of CELL is way greater then that found on the 360 Processors. So when the Biggest gaming company says that the PS3 has the most powerful processor in gaming today open your eyes.

This post sounds just as stupid as the one you posted.

[dissectionalrr]

maybe they were referring to online functionality? or maybe the rsx couldn't hack it? who knows... all that's for sure is that, yes, cell is faster than xenon. but, as ps2 proved, the power of the cpu doesn't mean jack when it comes to making good games.

[DeadlyFire]

The PS3 doesn't suck. As far as this game not being able to be done on PS3. I hate to say it but its just Ubisoft making up an excuse to not bring it to the PS3. The PS3 can easily do these graphics. Ubisoft just doesn't want to port the game from their base platform the X360. They might change that for the next Splinter Cell after this one though. I myself havn't liked Splinter Cell series that much so I don't care.

[neogeo]

This post is to big. I herd you make a few good points about the systems specs, and I do agree with you about the programming on the 360 being a lot better on 360. After all before Microsoft built the 360 they asked the programmers what they wanted in a system and built it.
But I did want to correct you on some of the specs you stated.

10 mb EDRAM...
is nothing compared to the I/O controller in the PS3, they built a very fast system "Rambus flex IO" its much faster then the 10md EDRAM. It can pump 62.4 gigs per second between the cell/RSX.
fixing the bottle necking we see in todays PC's

Memory controller and I/O

The system interface used in Cell, also a Rambus design, is known as FlexIO. The FlexIO interface is organized into 12 "lanes," each lane being a unidirectional 8-bit wide point-to-point path. Five 8-bit wide point-to-point paths are inbound lanes to Cell, while the remaining seven are outbound. This provides a theoretical peak bandwidth of 62.4 GB/s (36.4 GB/s outbound, 26 GB/s inbound) at 2.6 GHz. The FlexIO interface can be clocked independently, typ. at 3.2 GHz. 4 inbound + 4 outbound lanes are supporting memory coherency.

you see the EDRAM is a very good idea for the graphics chip to processor memory, and is ofttimes pointed out as a plus over PS3's setup. Even Bill gates hyped it. Sony already has a better setup in the PS3 if you look at the link below you will see what I mean.

On to the Graphics Chip. RSX VS ATI/360

"The graphics processor in the Playstation 3 is NVIDIA-designed and is called RSX. How does it compare next to the 7800?

"The two products share the same heritage, the same technology. But RSX is faster," said Kirk." Nivida.

"Many people are wrong saying that "since 360 has 48 pipelines and the ps3 has 24, the graphics will be better on the ATIbegin"

Here is the truth.

Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.{(shader operations per second)
-a total of 136 sops
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops.{(shader operations per second)

I'm tired now and feeling more geekey then ever.
BTW splinter cell look amazing regardless...

[drtysouf21]

First of all why all the fighting back and forth I would question the article to begin with. Its from a Finnish Magazine! Unless any one on here knows finnish and can read it and be honest about what it truly says word for word i ain't jumping the gun. We all know how translations get messed up for example the whole Walmart $300 HD-DVD ordeal. Even plain english articles get messed up for example The Daily Mail saying all those lies about how that God of War party happened with the goat. Come on guys your getting pissed by something that could have been translated incorrectly. Even if it was true who cares. There are games on PS3 that will come out that can't be done on the 360 and vice versa. The fact of the matter is i want developers to step up and make some great games that i can play on all my systems. I think exclusives on any system is a good choice so that developers can focus on making that game the best it could be. I'd much rather have a exclusive made to its full potential then a multi platform half heartedly done just for developers to get the most money out of it.

[Seraphim]

the key word is how they say, "as it stands." Meaning they're just admitting they still have no clue how to program the PS3 and it's going to take time before they can achieve this. Understandably as the PS3 has been out for like 6 months while the 360 has been out for 1.5 years... Back to the comment. Which again, is nothing new considering it's coming from Ubisoft. It takes them YEARS to understand the Playstation and port/program games for it. So if anything this is just Ubi admitting that they have no idea, and talent when it comes to the Playstation brand. 3 years from now when Ubi finally grasps the power and talents of the PS3. Then they could achieve what they're doing in Splinter Cell. Shame on you Ubi on so many different levels...

[predator]

Id rather ubi games than ea mate, at least there good

[anh_duong]

does anyone see a pattern here?? i clearly do:

if it is a ps3 excluse (lair, heavenly sword, mgs and ff) then the developers will say that it can't be done on an xbox360.

if it is an xbox360 exlusive (halo, splinter celll etc) then the developers will say it can't be done on ps3.

this is all propaganda bull by sony/microsoft. however, some people think they are so smart that only they can totally understand what is said by the studios. one day you guys will realise that you a merely foot soldiers in the war of viral marketing employed by the studios to sell their products. don't believe everything you are told. studios are brainwashing you. don't buy into the hype be that lair, heavenly sword, splinter cell or halo3. smart people are the ones who only buy once they actually tested the product. $60 dollars can be a lot of money for what i sometimes call blind alllegience.

[kingboy]

Metal gear solid 4 owns big time

[tehcellownu]

Seriously its Ubisoft..lmao..they jus freaken pullin a joke hopefully..lol...Anyone remember splinter cell double agent.Xbots thought the graphics was amazing and turns out to be so bad..dude the pictures posted right now looks like sc double agent..lol...they dont know how to code for the PS3 and they call themself devlopers..haha...I am goin to laughin so hard at the game when it comes out..MGS4 is so superior in terms of graphics gameplay and etc..Also so many devlopers already come out sayin the PS3 is much more of a power system but xbots always ignore..lol..

[RBlaze]

Isn't that 'little developer' called Ubisoft making a little game called 'Assassins Creed'? i sure know a lot of 360 and PS3 fans are looking forward to that one. So how can they not know how to code for the PS3? Also, can you really, truthfully, honestly take the words of EA, and not the words of Ubisoft? I mean come on man, EA aren't really a company to be singing from the rooftops about are they? I can name a handful of good games from them. You can't really say you believe the words of some developers, but not others, just to prove your point can you? Cause im pretty sure anyone could win an argument with that.

Kingboy, nothing against you mate. MGS4 will probably own, you're right. Though im sure you can't deny that SC is a reasonable series?

[Juevani]

hahaha.

[RuffRyder]

Doing their damage control.....

Everyone knows that Xbox 360 & PS3 has very different archietecture, there will be games on the 360 which cant be done on PS3 and viceversa. thats FACT.

[Circa24]

Could you explain this in a little more detail? I know the architecture of the Cell is a lot different than that of the 360 processor, but I never thought that it would be a weakness of the PS3.

Needless to say, I'm very surprised. I wish they could go more in depth about why.

[RBlaze]

Its just because of how they both work. Everyone is fully aware that the PS3 is capable of lots, but at the moment developers are struggling a bit to make use of what the PS3 can do.
The 360 however is largely thought to be easy to make games for, and some companys say that there is more that can be done with the 360 then that which has already been achieved (Epic said that there was more that the 360 can do then Gears (which is stunning if u havent played it)).
All in all though, both consoles have advantages and disadvantages over eachother, contrary to the beliefs of a lot of people on this site. Im happy with my 360, and i recently had the chance to play a few PS3 games, which i thought were good (Also contrary to a lot of beliefs here, lol). Its all about personal preference, how you prefer your games and what you like and dislike. But dont go believing everything you read here about one console being so much better then the other, just take it as one console being stronger in certain aspects then another.

[FeralPhoenix]

Well here we go, marketing at its best....just sounds like another dev "hyping" his game,....-lol, they make SC: DA on both consoles, but then when the next installment is "exclusive" for some reason they can't "achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the ps3 even if it was ps3 exclusive". -Ouch, those are pretty harsh words but honestly I find that hard to believe, and although I respect Kojima, I'm willing to bet that there won't be anything about MGS4 that can't be made for the 360, on more than 1 disc if neccessary. -It's all good, I'm a big fan of both franchises and fortunately whenever they arrive I'll be playing them on my 360 and PS3.....And so the "War" continues, -Its a Good time to be a Gamer.

[THAMMER1]

This article is going make allot PS3 fans come in this comments thread just to add retarded comments for no reason.

[Raist]

Seeing how their ports suck, that's not surprising.

Yeah, they couldn't do that on the PS3, because they actually don't know how to code properly on the PS3 xD

[Saint Sony]

...and you find this hilarious? IF there is one big game developer that don't know how to make games for PS3, then there are prolly several others and hundreds of little ones. Is that good? NO!

[Raist]

Yeah Ubi is a big dev.

But look at their average game production. They suck. No matter the platform, they suck. Ubi used to be a good dev, now they just are EAish. One good game once and then, and tons of crap.

I find it funny, Ubi develops an exclusive game and says "well, couldn't be done on the PS3" and everybody comes yelling "seeee ? told ya PS3 sucks lolol"

Now other devs come saying "could be done on PS3 only" and then the same people go like "bah biased lol moneyhat"

Just like when devs say "hard to code for PS3 ? just stfu and get on your work". They're biased. But when other devs say it's too difficult, then they're completely right.

That's just f'in ridiculous.

[vidoardes]

Bubbles for you sir. There does seam to be alot of Bias on this site against the PS3. Bad news about it is always beefed up and promoted, good news is written of as BS or bias just as quickly. Yes, the sony fanboys do have their fair share of jumping on every Xbox story, but it just seams lately that the PS3 cannot catch a break and for no good reason.

I would also like to point out that I have read 5 other sites (Joystiq.com, qj.net, Britishgaming.co.uk, gamespot.com and teamxbox.com) that have reported on this magazine article... and not one of them mentions anything about it not being possible on the PS3. I would also like to highlight the fact that I haven't read one comment on this article about the game itself. Just fanboy b*tching and bulls**t. Yet another great news story, well done.

[TotalEklypz]

They didn't say it could NOT be done, they said they "doubt" it could be done. The article clearly says that developing on one platform is easier and you don't have to deal with the restraints of the other platform. I guess every developer has his favorite console too.

[Vojkan]

It doesn't make sense but ok, they are developers not me

[wingzero]

you true and i mean true gamers dont let people mislead you about the ps3 power just give them time and calm down,just relax you will see.

[kornbeaner]

So how is Assassin's creed going to compare? Is it gonna be way different on the PS3 then it is on the 360?

IF Assassin's is gonna play and look the same on Both systems why can't Splinter Cell? I'm not gonna buy the game anyways but I just wanna know.

[Saint Sony]

Assassin's Creed will be about 100% similar with 360/PS3, but at one point the dev had problems with creating proper A.I. for the PS3 version. No idea if the problem is solved yet. We all know it takes time to adapt things, even coders do have problems...bloody geeks, gotta love them ;)

[techie]

That was a misquote. And they made that very clear in another article.

[Saint Sony]

Misquote?.. in live presentation that happened to be the first PUBLIC one back then when it still was rumored to be PS3 exclusive?.. well odd. It was the game producer Jade Raymond who said it when they showed it first in 360 what none expected.

Misquote...hardly, more like a frog that should have not said out loud.

[techie]

No dude. You go find me that then.

[wingzero]

didnt i just SAY CALM DOWN AND BE PATIENCE,just give them time with the ps3 the games already look good.

[Bathyj]

I guess I have to accept them at their word, but I really dont see anything here that couldn't be done on either machine. If the engine was written for Xbox then yeah it would of course be coded differently, but if they wrote it for PS3 and since you could dedicate a SPU to physics entirely if you needed to it doesn't sound believeable to me.

I'm especially skeptical since Ubisoft have yet to show any real love towards the PS3 so I dont really believe they know the full potential of PS3 yet. Well at least they certainly haven't attained it.

For whatever reason (they like the ease of use, they like the bigger userbase) it seems Ubisoft have chossen their favourite and are sticking with it at least for now. Thats a shame for Sony only gamers.

If thats how you want to go Ubi, fair enough but at least give the ports still coming the attention they deserve. The PS3 userbase won't be small forever you know and I'm sure you'll be back once sales get near 10 Million.

[grunt360]

The time the PS3 fanbase reaches 10 million, they shall be releasing the PS4...

[Bathyj]

How do you know you're a fanboy?

#4 You don't bring anything new to the conversation.

Unneccessary Dude. Well see which company abandons their hardware first ok?
See, now you made me retaliate. So unnecessary.

[Hayabusa 117]

No, just because they're developers, doesn't me we have to take their bullsh!t. Unless they state specifically what it is that prevents it from being on the PS3, then I don't buy it. I'm an XBox fan, but even I know their talking out their arse. It's just the same sh!t as Factor 5 saying Lair can only be done on the PS3.

I understand that both consoles have their different strengths, and I believe only exclusives will really show what each console can do, but I don't see what it is that couldn't be done as a PS3 exclusive.

How long before this game multi-platform?

[THAMMER1]

I guess.

Just make the game good. O.K.

[THC PRITCHARD]

splinter cell is not so great anyway hehe
MGS4 can no way be seen on x box

Ubisoft is just lazy

Lair x box chance Nil
killzone Nil

Gta Sorry lol there having probs all ready hehehe

F**k X box there done in september

Halo will be there last big game
Maybe gears if it fits on a cd LOL

[Silentscope]

About 4 minutes in he mentions that in an interview he had with Kojima, Kojima said himself that he could easiliy do MGS4 on the 360, and that he just chose to do it on the PS3. http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

[bootsielon]

They never said 360 can achieve the same level the PS3 can achieve. Hell, if Kojima wanted, he could do it on the NES. OF course it would be different, but it would still be MGS4.

Besides, Kojima said that dual layered 50GB blu-ray discs might not be enough for the game. So you think Konami would incurr in the costs of testing a 7+ Disc game? If anyone does, they're out of their fcuking minds. THat's not to mention they'd have to make it for the lowest common denominator to catter to the highest audience possible, and that means no HDD use for the 360.

So of course it's possible to make it on the 360, but it would be a hell of a different experience than on PS3. Kojima even said the perfect console would be a PS3 with a Wii controller (No mentions about 360).

[grunt360]

The reason why they can't port is simple.

Xbox 360>PS3

[InMyOpinion]

Excellent! Plain and simple. No need for technical BS lol!

[THC PRITCHARD]

make from scratch on ps3 and port to x box
they fear doing that cause they will go nuts with ps3 power and the cell
making it hard to port to x box

[snake_eater]

How, that really sucks for ps3

[CrazzyMan]

just wait some time and you will see. =)))

[DeadIIIRed]

At leaast factor 5 gave some specifics as to why Lair could not be done on the 360. Besides, everyone knows it's a lot harder to port from 360 to PS3 than from Ps3 to 360.

[grunt360]

Well obviously it's because PS3 is harder to program on. With the Xbox 360, you get better results without having to mess around; unlike the PS3.

[kenjix]

What the developer is trying to say at the current state of their programming skill the team lacks the knowledge to program for the PSP. Same excuse developers with the exception of Team Ninja have been showing. If you can't do it blame the hardware, and let those with skill create the games that play beyond!

[grunt360]

I'm an XNA developer, and I've seen the sort of messing around you have to do to get results on the PS3. I would personally like to see you try to create a game for the PS3, so don't say that skills are lacking because in many cases they are advancing-proof is that more and more indie devs are creating games, and more, better quality games are being released.

[JsonHenry]

The ONLY advantage that the 360 has over the PS3 is the unified memory setup and the fact that the ATi video card is about 1/4 the time faster than the 7800GTX in the PS3.

However, and remember this is coming from a tried and true 360 fanboy, I think the PS3 will (over time) be able to compesate for the slightly slower GPU speed and slightly less available system RAM with the fact that it has FASTER RAM and a hard-drive.

Just watch - the PS3 will catch up.

[hamburgerhill]

MS has already said that certain games will now start to require a HDD to play them so the whole HDD advantage crap is out the door! A DX10 upgrade will more than likely be sent out to 360 even furthering the gap in visuals so just sit there and wait for this PS3 will be better one day crap when in actuality both system will always be some what equal as developers get more familiar with the Hardware!

[bootsielon]

You don't know anything

"MS has already said"

MS said, MS said... yeah, they can say all they want, where's the action?

"that certain games will now start to require a HDD to play them so the whole HDD advantage crap is out the door!"

No it's not. At least not for developers. With a 13 Gig hard drive you'll max it out at 2 or 3 games. Not to mention they'll cripple the Core owners. It doesn't matters how many there are, truth is, they exist.

"A DX10 upgrade will more than likely be sent out to 360 even furthering the gap in visuals"

You can't do that, Dipsheet. You need a DX10 compliant card. 360's is not, and "MS said" it is not anyway. Besides, good developers, the ones that make their own engines (first party), make their engines in assembly. So if you make everything and optimize everything in assembly for both 360 and PS3, it is likely you'll end up with more Power on PS3. There's nothing that squeezes the power of hardware more than assembly (but of course, it's a lot harder to program with it).

"so just sit there and wait for this PS3 will be better one day crap when in actuality both system will always be some what equal as developers get more familiar with the Hardware! "

Virtua Fighter 5 took the same time to make for 360 as it took to PS3, despite the fact that they had already made everything for the PS3 version, and it's supposedly easier to port from PS3 to 360. Also, "Edge" tools hadn't come out, but now they have. So there's not too much to wait, games looking better than 360 games will come out this year already.

[hamburgerhill]

Great speech and very one sided and biased! Im not going to waste my time trying to prove wrong a fanboy on a mission that clearly want's to start trouble! If you think PS3 is so superior then you go right on ahead with your thoughts because i have nothing to prove and a ton of nice games i'm looking forward to on both consoles!

[omfg_111]

it is UBISOFT ... who cares?
how long you still want to play splinter cell?
the series died when part 2 came out.

it is not like final fantasy series ... there is alway a different game. but splintercell?

ubisoft mutates to ea ... it is no class but mass ...

[ThaGeNeCySt]

you must not have played Chaos Theory

[THC PRITCHARD]

Next week

G.T.A canceled on 360

[Bhai]

It would be so nice if the devs clear that out instead of trying to sell their product in among 10mill. userbase.

Lair isn't doable on 360 for it has:
-progressive mesh(possible only with Cell)
-Full ocean fluid physics(Cell)
-32X32 miles intact, non-loading stages(Cell)
-Enhanced controls(more than buttons...due to motion control)
-Much more than 8GB data(Blu-ray...even TGS 2006 demo was 4GB)
-1080p native(Dah ! its PS3 !!!)
etc.

Moreover MGS4 isn't doable on 360 for its size and scale...as Kojima himself said that even Blu-Ray might not be enough for it !

So...I'll wait for a true perspective when Ubisoft talks technology...and the way they can't do it on PS3, for the time being, its more of a joke !

[bababrooks]

have you played this game (lair) yet, or is it blind ignorance that keeps you going? freedom for all , each to there own, list goes on.games are for gamers what are you? this mine is better than your crap is getting me down,play and enjoy ,have a good life.when i'm here, whats kingboy and juevani about fill this space they are?.......................... ............

[JCDenton]

-progressive mesh(possible only with Cell)
-Full ocean fluid physics(Cell)
-32X32 miles intact, non-loading stages(Cell)
-Enhanced controls(more than buttons...due to motion control)
-Much more than 8GB data(Blu-ray...even TGS 2006 demo was 4GB)
-1080p native(Dah ! its PS3 !!!)

Do you even know what's all this "programer mambo-jambo"? What is progressive mesh, and why it's only achivable on Cell CPU? Or Full ocean fluid physics?

-32x32 miles stages has nothing to do with CPU, rather with memory architecture (speed and bandwidth).

-As for "Much more than 8GB data(Blu-ray...even TGS 2006 demo was 4GB)", have you heard for dynamic compression/decompression techniques?

Bye4now

[Kastrol]

this game was a 360 exclusive anyway they are just making up any excuse i own a ps3 and a 360

and splinter cell was a xbox game to start with mgs owns all splinter cell games to dark and controls suck

splinter cell is not a game that will decide a console war its a yearly C average game at best

[Grown Folks Talk]

along with ghost recon, only suck on the ps2. the xbox versions are by far better.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

and here they come bashing the splinter cell series now...

[snoopgg]

I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait for Sony exclusives such as warhawk and KillZone 2. These two games have me interested. I do agree Ubisoft has really become lazy. I can't wait for alittle game called Haze. It if being programmed by Free Radical, the people behind the Timesplitters series. I hope Black 2 comes out soon. Peace out....

[TheMART]

That's because you're a SONY DROID

Who cares about Killzone 2 when Killzone 1 sucked actually getting reviews between 6 and 7???? WHat's the freakin' hype about?

Who cares about Warzone when it looks like a beefed up PS2 game?

Splinter Cell are great series, plus we're more waiting for:

Mass Effect, Too Human, Halo 3, Bioshock, Stranglehold, Blue Dragon, Lost Oddyssey, Forza 2, Command & Conquer 3, DMC4, and more and more

[FirstknighT]

Well Ubisoft is not the first developer to slam the ps3. Just one of many reasons to own a 360. And the ps3??? Well atleast you can watch movies on it or try to get a girlfriend on Home. :D

[snakeater3]

if one looks at the scans , mgs4 is arguably better looking than sc5 (no disrespect to the sc series ) . so why is sc5 not doable on ps3? physics maybe ? nah i dont think so....anyways , the stale gameplay of sc needs a major overhaul

[FreeMonk]

People keep mentioning MGS4, but remember the interview with Kojima about a year back when asked about a X360 version!

He said that they would be able to run MGS4 on the X360 with no major problems, but they are keeping it an exclusive for the PS3.

At the moment, the X360 has a great range of games coming out on it, that are both exclusive and multi-platform, yet until the end of year there is nothing new must have titles available on the PS3, and hence why I'm waiting!

I'll enjoy my 360, until games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, MGS4, FFVIIEIR? are released on the PS3. Then when the purchase will be necessary!

[Lumbo]

i fail to see what all the ruckus is about.
Every game so far can be done on BOTH the 360 and the PS3, there is no such thing as 'no way' in programming. Yes, Lair could be done on the 360, i fail to see the problem, the huge areas are limited by RAM and not by CPU, as both consoles have the same amount of RAM overall i see no prob for a Lair with 32*32 km area on the 360, the GPU can't be the limiting factor, as the 360 GPU is slightly better than the PS3 one.
Leaving the massive parallel concept of the Cell vs the normal dualcore structure of the 360s CPU. So what ? so you need more amount of sorting and moving to manage the calculations, so you will need to dumb down the ai or other effects some, thats no reason on why Lair could not be done on a 360. The same is true for the other side, there is no reason why Halo3 wouldn't be possible on a PS3. And don't get me startet on MGS4, YES, MGS4 is possible on the 360, just take the final ammount of space and divide it by 9GB voila. Sure, no one would be insane enough to buy a game on 5 DVD's as the changing would be uberbad, but its still not impossible.

The only reason here is marketing.

Whats more strange is, that the "source" only states that the devs said so and i can't find the actual quote there, and as i am not able to read suomi i wonder how a FINISH mag is posted on an Aussie page. Far stretch imho ...

[TheMART]

SO SONY DROIDS

You believe that MGS4 and Lair couldn't be done on the 360 when a dev says so...

BUT

You don't believe Ubisoft saying that the next SC can't be done on the PS3.

Something there smells like rotten fish, and right... it's the Sony fanboys! You crack me up over and over again

EDIT

@ Kornbeaner (below)

Dude. What have we actually seen from Lair or MGS4? Besides some CGI MGS4 material and few ingame stuff from Lair? Gears of War looks as good, if not better then that. Bioshock looks as good if not better then that, Mass Effect looks as good if not better then that.

Thus: BULLSH!T FROM YOU AGAIN

Oblivion was worked on a full year extra for the PS3 version. The PS3 costs for development on a game are about 5 times as high as on the 360. Now you may choose on which platform a developer can produce the same graphics more easily, faster and earn more returns on their investments.

HINT: certainly not the PS3...

What I just wanted to point out is that you and other Sony droids have no, but then actually not a freakin' point to prove your statement but you believe in it, but then when some developer says the PS3 can't cope a game, suddenly it's bull.

Now that's BULL so shut the f*ck up and go play some BluRay movies

@ darknight_72 (below)

DUDE that's exactly what I meant with some sarcasm there about the Sony droids that say: these PS games can't be done on the 360, but the other way around is impossible...

EDIT @ Kornbeaner (again)

Okami, cool game. Buy a PS2 for 99 Euro now overhere and I'll be able to enjoy that. Same with God of War 2. Great game, but that's no PS3 stuff.

Do I want to play stuff of other regions? Nah not really. Blue Dragon Jap version? I don't understand their language dude, do you? USA/Eu releases are almost the same (Gears of War 10 nov. USA, 17 nov Eu, C&C3 about on the same date, 10 May, Forza 2 29 May USA, 8 june Eu) so I have no idea what that has to do with if a game can be made or is made for a console or not.

One thing to remember: SC won't even come to the PS3 because it's exclusive. It might be able to run it, but it won't so what's the trouble about?

@ Bonsai1214 (below)

Ubi is still great. Rainbow Six: Vegas, damn fine 4 player co-op experience on the 360, face mapping with the vision cam your own face in it, lip sync talking when you speak

Ah w8 the PS3 version doesn't have these options. Probably not capable of doing it. BUMMERRRRRRR

[kornbeaner]

the 2 games you just mention show alot more graphical prowess then a splinter cell game.

Oblivion was done on the PS3 and 360 this is one of the biggest game ever created, so what is it exactly that Ubisoft can't do with the PS3????

Bill Gates Asspiece you crack me up.

EDIT: So when EA says that the PS3 is more powerful then the 360 I should just believe it right? No, the product they put out is just about the same in every platform. So why even believe what a developer has to say. Ubisoft has been known as a Xbox developer since the first day the original xbox came out. So why believe them when it comes to anything that relates to any other system than the Xbox. Thats their machine of choice and Products they develop have shown that.

As far as Lair there was a story posted eariler from G4tv.com that showed Lair in action, Now I know you're gonna downplay it, cause it's only a Preview build, but the same show also has mass effect which you're gonna overhype so whatever.

So go watch some HD-DV......... oh that cost more and no HDMI, HMMM...........
Once I go home from work I might just watch a movie then play a little Motorstorm and then finish up with a little Okami (since I missed it at release). Plus I can't wait for my Pro Baseball spirit 4 (Japanese) to
get delivered so I can play that. Yeah for $600 buck I can play games from 2 different language systems, while you can't even download trailer and demos from a different country starting Monday.

Sucks to be me F*CK I want a 360 so bad so I can pay up the ass for something and be told what I can and Can't do with it.

[Bonsai1214]

you realize that the stuff we've seen from mgs4 isn't CG right? the press thought the same thing about mgs2 when it was revealed, "thats great CG, but wheres the in-game?" then it dawned on them that it was in-game..

but on topic: i doubt that its only doable on 360, but in my book, ubi has fallen from grace over the last few years. and its always been my opinion that lazy developers push out a subpar product only to gain profit. (i'm not saying this will happen to SC5)

[paracardium]

Ah well who cares anyway rather give my money to non lazy dev companies.

[rowdy 1]

The last game in this series blowed any way. I don't even want this game coming to the ps3. Plus ubisoft is just rubbing balls.

[HandShandy]

I won't get to play a game that's Worse than MGS.

This article has probs been spun so much - it barely resembles what the people actually said in the interview. As a few people have mentioned both the Cell and the 360's Xenos processors are very different pieces of kit. Programming for both - especially for advanced graphic functions is tiresome job and could result in a poor port of the game.

I don't think Ubisoft want to join the crowd of poor PS3 ported games and stick to the easier development of the 360 title and focuss on what they know about it. This should mean at least if it does come out for Xbox360 it will be a GOOD game, and won't have a crappy Ported version to come out a month later which tarnishes it's image.

But from my perspective - I couldn't give a monkeys ass about this game and it's boring mediocore series because Metal Gear Solid is just miles better - in every aspect and it's going to be around the same time this game comes out.

[Silentscope]

Sorry to spoil all you ps3 fanboys fun, but Kojima himself said that he could easily have done MGS4 on the 360, but he chose to do it on the PS3. Here's a video of one of the guys who spoke with Kojima regarding what he said. Go to about 4 minutes in and he talks about it. http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

[Lumbo]

ah come on, "i was told by someone who talked to someone else who said that Kojima said" in a satirical feature by 1up ... please base your views on more than that :p thats not even on TheMart level of "facts"

[timmyp53]

the developers are always gonna say this for games its a hype method and especially 4 exclusives.

[Cartesian3D]

HOW MANY TIMES must u say this.. 15.1 and now 37...

just look at Kojima interview in australia an then change ur stupid opinion... MGS CANT be DONE on 360. Kojima said he need more than one layer of bluray and even can fill up to 50 GB..

its one of the simple reasons that MGS cant be on 360. for more info read it..

[rowdy 1]

but why is ubisoft making a stupid comment like this? You should be able to run anygame on any system. It might look or play different, but it can be done.

[Gamer13]

Too bad for the PS3 fanboys, but in the end SC will be on the ps3 1 way or another, same for MGS.

IM OUT...///"""

[paracardium]

link didn't work :(

[kamakazi]

wow, so this game isnt possible on the PS3 yeah ok, and LAIR isnt possible on the 360 yeah ok, do you people see a trend here? i have a feeling we as gamers are being played more than the games these F**KERS create.

[Daz]

I think this game is not going to be crap like some of you say. because its a exclulive its crap now last time i checked it still a good francise , And whats with the comparision against MGS which is another good game. I like both of them. its like we dont get it, we have to say it the games crap whats the point? No ones tryed it yet so no need to down play the game like some people are bashing mgs as well which no onces played yet.

Like the gthd and forza comparisions pointless i think totally different games but both about cars.
Also whats with the killzone 2 and halo comparision the devs started this one, totally different games again.
Some people are so sad.
Why cant you play them all? to hard for some.

All games can run on both systems i think but changes here and there to make it work but some devs just speak utter bulls1hit so they can sell there games.

[FeralPhoenix]

Wow, this is clearly just a case of a dev hyping his game, you think dev's don't know that if they say: "hey look this game is exclusive because it can't be done on the other console"....fanboys will eat it up, because "OMG this can only be done on my favorite console", -of course the game is going to sell, but stuff like this gets more people talking about your game, which is good for sales.

Yes, if a game is specifically made to run only on that console then "technically" it can't run on the other, but saying it can't be done in most cases is just pure marketing....ahhh, I still remember Insomniacs qoutes prior to RFOM launch and fanboys ate that up too....-So tell me again why that game can't be done on the 360?....oh thats right because it was 16gigs....but ironically months later I remember them "explaining" why....well you know, I'm not trying to flame, lets wait & see the final product, -which I'm sure will be great but my point is that this is marketing, same as the PS3 dev's do, the fact is that the hardware spec's for both consoles are so close that it really isn't a question of hardware its really just a matter of who will actually be able to deliver the overall best ideas, content, vision, service, etc.(talent) = the best games.

-Daaayumm, just replace "PS3" with "Wii" in the qoute and everybody can stop arguing....oh I'm sorry the "Wii fans" will complain, but who cares? -j/k

[sajj316]

for your comments. There is a difference between saying that it could NOT be possible at ALL and NOT be possible in its CURRENT state. There is also a difference between 'doubt' and 'impossible'. Anyone that says I 'doubt' it can be done or I 'think' it can be done increases the risk of being made to look like a fool in the end. Now, if they say it CAN'T be done on the PS3, tell me why ....

[AngryTypingGuy]

Doesn't look like him very much. It could very well be a different character. Doing things in daylight isn't Sam's style. This seems like a Hitman game.

By the way, it cracks me up how one PS3 fanboy said "Wow what a shame.
I won't get to play a game that's worse than MGS." Can you say sour grapes? If you don't want to play anything worse than MGS, then you won't be playing too many games. As of right now, I won't get to play MGS since I don't plan on getting a PS3, but I'm not bitter about it (largely due to the fact that the 360 has SO MANY great games coming out, many of which are exclusives).

[xfrgtr]

Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!!!! Ubisoft has no idea how to use the ps3,just take a look at their recent ports on ps3;they suck big time.GRAW 2 ON PS3 is being done by a different dev team on ps3,because Ubisoft and Xgamer suck.Very strange coincidence?Rockstar saying they are having problems with the 360 and know Ubisoft?Hmmmmm......Money talk

[TheXgamerLive]

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[TheXgamerLive]

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[darkvenom]

swear people are getting more and more dumber everyday,starting with Mart the president of kiss Microsofts a$$ club,Mart are you really that dumb? I know Splinter Cell is Possible on the PS3,and MGS4 on the 360.this is just laziness on part of the developer.I mean it's no secret we all know you hate the PS3,might i suggest therapy because this much hatred for a game console is not normal.

[TheXgamerLive]

Look, it's going to be about 4 years in the making when MGS4 finally comes out for the ps3 and will it look like 4 yrs. worth? No.

it's taking to much time, a waste of time to make/design/build a game for the ps3, so devs are hanging it up. besides there still isn't 3 million units sold yet for it, it's not working for devs yet.

Folding @ home, that type of thing is what cell is made for, not next gen.gaming. the proof is in the pudding and I wouldn't want to wait 4 yrs. for every decent ps3 game.
IMO

[trane07]

It wont look like 4 years worth? If im not mistaken you xbox were the main clowns hoping that it jumped ship and now that its not you want to downplay it? real dumb.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

What can't be done, from the screens it looks good but not great. I'm askin me how much did MS Ubisoft pay for saying that. I'm a pretty sure it's a reaction to the things Rockstar said yesterday, MS must have got pretty mad haha

[darthkojima]

you can take your splinter cell away from ps3 we don't need lazy developers.

[midgard229]

retards who say the ps3 cant handle it are freakin stupid. everyone knows that both systems r builty way different, when they port a game to one another they have to do HUGE amounts of work. example, 6 months to port virtua fighter from ps3 to 360? over 3 months to port oblivion to ps3? its not that the system is garbage. i like both the 360 and ps3, im not gonna put one down because a developer got lazy. thats them, it only hurts their sales as i know there were alot of fans for of the series on the ps2 aswell as the other console.

[TheXgamerLive]

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edit to 48.2&48.3 :How did ps3 get a higher rating, man I hate explaining to fools, Read my posts heading....IT HAD 1 YEAR ADDITIONAL TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT!!!!!
But after the Xbox 360's patch, it was all the same, except the Xbox 360 still has much much much more content.

[kornbeaner]

Has less download content but the Disc itself came packed already with the Knights of Nine expansion and it only cost $60 bucks.

[trane07]

Yeah one year to port oblivion to ps3, xbox360 has more content and STILL ps3 gets rated higher than the 360 version. Please explain.

[Boink]

lair devs developing for the ps3 hype up the ps3, ubisoft developing their exclusive 360 game hype up the 360.

no surprise...

[paracardium]

is garbage regardless what x bots say and ass kissing developers.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

from all that spin.

[techie]

It's not laziness. It's dev tools for a start. At this moment in time the tools for 3rd party devs are much better for the 360. FACT.

There could be a grain of truth in what he's saying about the lighting...the lighting in Splinter Cell on PS3 was lacking. Reason is, is that the tools to do AA and HDR on the ps3 aren't quite there yet. But it is possible. Ninja Theory are doing 4xAA and HDR quite magnificently.

The lighting in GTHD is very good and that's at 1080p. Now the lighting in Motorstorm is even more impressive. And the lighting in Heavenly Sword is beyond spectacular...oh and Uncharted as well. DOn't underestimate those that have been working closely with the hardware and have found ways to get out of certain problems. But they have the tools....they've designed it from the ground up very closely with Sony...at the moment Sony hasn't been too close with Ubisoft. I'm sure that's very different with Assassin's Creed.

If you want to know more, give me a pm.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Of course 360 is garbage, that's why all it's fanboys are here. This little hoover just breaks too much, offers nothing but PC games in worse quality and rapes it's customers with ridiculously overpriced peripherals. Poor, poor xbugs :(

[shysun]

A SC game with good AI...yeah freaking right.I smell total BS on this one.

[InMyOpinion]

It's funny how you swallow everything and react to it as if it's dead serious. Does it matter if the game can't be done on the Ps3 as it's a 360 exclusive anyways? I don't care if Lair can't be done on the 360 since it's a Ps3 exclusive title.
What does matter to me is that I prefer Splinter Cell over MGS and would be let down if I did'nt get to play it on the 360. Same goes with Forza vs GT. Not saying MGS or GT are bad games, just not my taste (MGS 3 wasn't as good as 1 & 2 and GT4 had nothing on Forza except for more cars). This is just my opinion, I'm not trying to p!ss anyone off.

[Violater]

With Ubisoft's love of money I doubt this will be exclusive for too long.
I think again guys we need to just relax if not wait for official word.

[0neGuy]

I had very HIGH hopes for the PS3 when I first heard it was in development... but the more and more I read about the PS3 and the 360 (prior to release of either system) the more I read one GameDev after another speaking on how much EASIER it is to design games for the 360 as opposed to the PS3 and its superior cell processors. Am I denying that the PS3 is the more powerful machine... not at all. But aren't THE GAMES the biggest factor in making a console GREAT or SUCCESSFUL? I'm not going to lie I own a 360 and not a PS3 (price and title library reasons) but I am certainly no fanboy and would happily adopt a PS3 if it made any sense to me, but as of now it doesn't. More and more games that were once PS3 exclusives are migrating to both the PS3 and the 360 where as I haven't heard of ANY 360 exclusives making the move to the PS3. So I think the game designers have spoken, not in an article, but by choosing which system(s) they make games for.

[darthkojima]

Cmon ubisoft.. is that only improvement you've got??? throwing chairs? james bond wannabe? cmon.. lazy devs

[SimmoUK]

The website doesn't even quote what the dev's actually said, it's just there take on it, they could of said all manner of things then put it through on the most contreversial way, getting hits for the website.

Basically I want to know what Ubi actually said...

[dodgefate]

xbox can have Splinter Cell the game was an is a joke everything after the 1st one sorry but this just don't matter to me.

[midgard229]

um, oblivion??? and they lost trusty bell aswell. whats that then lol. nah but seriously. we all know that ps3 and 360 are both great systems, 360 does have a huge problem with disk space tho,, 5 disk for blue dragon, WTF???? dead or alive 4 had to cut out alot of stuff because the disk space was so short. they need to fix that. sony, while it doesnt have many good games at the moment, u know why? the good games r taking a while to release.
final fantasy 13, ff13 verus, dmc4, ninja gaiden sigma, lair, white knight story,heavanly sword, assaisans creed, star ocean 4, warhawk, unreal 2007, resident evil 5, tekken 6 thats just to name a few that are coming out from 2007-2008. thats alot of goodness yeah like 3 are gonna be on 360 too, but its just part of ps3's soon to come line-up. all console launches are weak, but atleast we know good games are coming. fanboys annoy me, sony, MS, or nintendo. look for the games, give the consoles a chance to get on their feet regardless of launch or price, MS had almost 2 years out already, ps3 a few months. get over your selves. if ya want rushed games then expect crap, or a short game.

[zonetrooper5]

Wow the fanboys on this site are so dumb and annoying. If this game was only on the PS3 then you guys would be prasing Ubisoft like no other, however its on the Xbox 360 and PC so your gonna bash it. As for the 360 fanboys could not join the flame, if you are gonna post a comment, this applies to everyone, then please post a sensible comment which is not full of fanboy crap or insulting people.

[id dot entity]

I don't need to know if a game is achievable on a console or not. It's only reason for flaming the PlayStation 3/Xbox 360/Wii.

[chongu]

just an attempt for Ubisoft to hype up their games.... and cant say i really trust its source

[MoonDust]

Is there a flame war going on? FLAME ON!

[gta_cb]

nice pic lol i think its... FANTASTIC ;) lol

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Maybe it's true...and maybe they're not getting payed to say that. Maybe you're paying extra for no reason. Maybe TheMart and Power of Green will get hugged by their parents...

naw.

[Premonition]

Ubisoft, Microsoft, has a little ring to it.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Yet everyone neglected the fact that splinter cell really isnt that good of a game and never has been, so why would the new one be?

[Black Republican]

only reasons i could see them saying this is because they would make more money releasing the game on x360, and the same goal or sales is not achievable on x360

and yes the ps3 does have a better processor, but the x360 has a better graphics card (512MB) and developers have only used max 256MB wait until they start using all the Ram of the graphics card!!!

this comment is not meant to flame or bash the PS3 but both consoles do tasks differently. I think the PS3 is capable of having more things going on at once then the X360 but the Xbox360 will always have SLIGHTLY better graphics.

A processor does not make good graphics folks - the processor is where most calculations take place

the graphics card the x360 has is superior and will result in better graphics, we have seen gears of war and sony fanboys like to say that gears of war will be the best x360 can do, bu keep in mind gears of war used max only 256mb of the graphics card.

[DADO]

Where did you get that from? Tehy are all using as much of the memory as they have available.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

IT USED 512 MB

[BIadestarX]

It's interesting how Sony fanboys start hating on any developer that does not worship the PS3. Let them have an opinion about it, they sure as hell know more than you do since they work on it all day for years.

You were all happy flaming the xbox 360 when lair developer which I think it's fair to point out is in Sony payroll. Ubisoft is a big developer and can't be ignore regarless of how much you start hatting them for telling the truth base on their experience in both platforms. What they say should be taken more seriously compared to Lair's developers which have 0 development experience making games for other platforms.

I think it's about time you Sony fanboys realise that both the 360 and the PS3 have their strength and weakness and this will be directly reflected in different games, depending on what the developers are trying to achive. If you try to undestand why Ubisoft developers are saying that you see that they are not trying to flame the PS3. They are supporting the PS3 since they are making games for it and have lots of money invested on it. The PS3 is strong when it comes to storage (Blu-ray disk + hard drive always available) so for games that requires lots of disk space like metal gear or final fantasy this is a given. It's true that dvd drive is faster than the blu-ray drive that comes with the PS3 but being able to use the hard drive to speed things up compensate. Now where the 360 can do better than the PS3 with games that make great use of the GPU and the unified memory architecture. Specially for what they are trying to achive, "According to the article, every single object that is rendered on screen has physical properties and most of them can be used by Sam. For example, Sam can pick up furniture and use it as a weapon, or throw printers at enemies or papers in the face of enemies to gain the upperhand in fights." It's simple, the 360 has available memory than the PS3 to load game assets into memory and it's a no brainer for developers to use this assets easier.

So, take it easy; you have to give the 360 some credit, you can't expect the PS3 to be able to do everything better than the xbox 360 when it's already common knowledge that the 360 has a better GPU + memory architecture. Not everything is achive by more disk space you know.

Also, you should see how stupid you sound when you flame developers for giving their opinion or saying things like, "This game sucks anyways; Ubisoft sucks and they are lazy, they are just trying to promote their games, and all the other conspiracy theories you can come up with". Obviously if this would be a first party developer making a game for the PS3 and saying give lots of credit to the PS3 and you would be flaming the 360 and seing that developer as a god.
Grow up.

[sajj316]

Those posting are speculating on what could be the reason why its technically not feasible on the PS3. Show me your engineering degrees please. I'll give credit where credit is due but this is such a blatant PR add. To see things are not attainable on a rival platform without specifying what is the problem is suspicious. People should have seen the alarm bells go off just like Feral posted above. At least we got a reason out of Factor 5 and a reason out of Kojima although in my honest opinion, MGS 4 can be handled by the 360 despite the fact it might span 4+ DVD9 disks.

Also from the perspective of the PS3 fans, they've been burned with half-assed ports from Ubi. T0rchy and I have been going back forth on the latest Splinter Cell for the PS3 (constructively). There are things about the game that make you go ?? Ubi is experiencing exactly what Factor 5 mentioned in their interviews. Ports from the 360 are going to be hellish.

[BIadestarX]

Come on don't bother with that request. I went to college for electromechanical eng. I have My MCSD. I'm currently a software developer. Ask me anything about programming and test me. Why should I bother taking pictures of my diplomas? Who cares!? Fine, if I do that (take pictures of my diplomas) will you call yourself a complete idiot and recognize that you are no idea what you are talking about, and eat all your words? Come on, you have to make my time worth. Besides you will probably say, those credentials are not mine... and my time would be wasted.

[consolecrusader]

I believe this is another case of

"man we're too lazy to use new toolkits to make great games!"

This is the worst way to try and overhype a game especially when there's reports of GTAIV being held back by 360 and EA saying we have the best tools.

[Premonition]

Sony gave out the EDGE tool kits so theres no excuses about not making the game better.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Woooo fanboy devs! haha I don't see why this is so controversial...the devs for Lair can say that the PS3 is the most amazing this in the history of the world and will make your coffee in the morning to wake you up but if Ubisoft says they can only do Splinter Cell on the 360 it's the end of the world? lol I have both systems so I don't care, but man it really is funny to watch how you people act. It's like going to the zoo and watching the monkeys throw poo at each other, it accomplishes nothing, but hey they feel good about it in the end.

[MikeMichaels]

Their saying that the PS3 can't make the crappy graphics in those screen shots?

Pu-leese Ubi. LOL

[THAMMER1]

Can any of the Crying fanboys tell me why Ubi SUCKS NOW. Before when games like Assassins Creed were announced as PS3 exclusive Ubi was on top of their game and now you guys just slam them all the time.

Come on!!! What is really going on here!? Are you guys really happy with the ps3 or not!!?

[BIadestarX]

I think you answer you own question. These fanboys don't want to hear that the PS3 will have great games and it's a great console. What they want is the xbox 360 is removed from the market and that the PS3 can do everything that the xbox 360 can do.
If they can't prove that's the case, they their existance as fanboys is history. The way is going it seems you guys are going to run out of developers to love. You can't be hating on every developer that has an opinion.

[CyberSentinel]

You sure are gonna miss out on ALOT of good games this summer.

Blind Lemmings, Keep Waiting, and Waiting, and Waiting...

@75.1 Mary Jane: Unfortunately I can't "Hang out" with my friends all day and night long like you, I have to work and support my family. Enjoy that new PS3 game thats coming out this summer, its called "The Waiting Game".

[omfg_111]

ok ive got other things to do in sommer ... :)

oh yeah u right ... ive got real friends... u got xbl friends, sorry my fault...

[omfg_111]

screenshots again ... i do not see anything what the ps3 could not handle!?
jo man! trowing chairs to a cpu is so much eating hardware power and physiccapability omg the cell would never do it!

even the graphics do not own my eyes ...

assassin creed > splinter

just one more thing ... show me some ingame footage plz.

[ShAkKa]

it seems they still haven`t figured out how to work with all the ps3 potential but to say this can be done on the ps3 is just a lot of balloni i highly doub this game will be as good as mgs lair or heavenly swords i won`t mention killzone becouse i`ve not see it.

[Premonition]

I think the devs of LAIR gave a reason why 360 couldnt handle some stuff on LAIR aka cell calculations and what not, where as Ubisoft just came out no where and said this without explaining how and why the PS3 cant handle whatever they are trying to say, if its graphics, I dont see anything ground breaking, and AI? Anyone heard about Heavenly Sword. Until they give a full reason for whatever reason, this is just going to get worse.

[brianodom]

ubisoft has really gotten slack, they can make ie this for ps3..they just don't want to....
when the price drops i want to see what the excuse is....also keep in mind they say...they doubt they would be able to achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the ps3 even if it was ps3 exclusive.

they doubt = we don't know because we haven't tried....

[Sashy]

That Playstation 3 cant handle this crappy game ? Lol, thats just propaganda from Xbox fanboys

[THAMMER1]

I think people have lost focus. The main reason why Sony PS3 fans have so much trouble making a point about the PS3's power and the system abilities is because Sony has set up too many false expectations.

PS3 fans have no clue how the CELL is programmed, they do not listen to the reasons why it take 3-5 times the amount of developers to complete a PS3 game than it dose for the 360, PS3 fans have a chip on their shoulder so heavy that they will not even listen to reason, and you stoop down to insults and name calling false claims of messive defective 360's to get people to understand you points.

The question is what is your point? I think you guys are totaly diluted in you opinions. I'm not saying that this article is true but I am pointing out that allot of Development teams have made the same statement about the abilities of the PS3 vs 360.

The games we can go purchase ourselves have shown us the the 360 is the best option. So i think you guys should just stop being so offensive over this and take the view point that you just prefer Play station over XBOX. I think that would make things a little easier for you.

[TylerDurden]

Sony fanboys have no idea how the cell is programmed. Sony themselves haven't proven why the Cell is better for games than the Xenon. Everyone keeps assuming that somehow devs will all of a sudden find out how to harness the power of the Cell. If Sony themselves can't do it right now, it leads me to two questions:

1) If Sony hasn't proven it yet, then why does everyone assume that somehow it will magically happen? Right now everything is theoretical

2) If Sony devs can't make games right now that look better than 360 games, then how do people expect 3rd party devs to do it?

Don't get me wrong the PS3 has great graphics but at best it's equal to the 360.

[chrisin3]

THis is going to be a biased comment because i never liked splinter cell. I played it for ps2, xbox, and computer, but i just don't like it; however, I find this new's article ridiculous. Here is my reason: all these developers are lying to us. Not just ubisoft, but others as well. Here's why: I read articles from developers saying, "well, this game would not be possible on the ps3." Then i turn around and read articles that say "such and such a game would never be possible on the xbox360." I just can't help but thinking these guys are just full of sh*t. lol...In about 2 years we will actually see what's possible and what's not on the consoles, but until then, this is BS. The developers knew full well that this article would be read be gamers. i think it's just a great ploy to garner attention.

[fjtorres]

It has already been reported that MS is paying Ubsoft to:
1- keep this 360 exclusive
2- design a game optimized for the 360 architecture

The latter point is key.

It is by now clearly understood by any informed observer that the 360 and PS3 have roughly comparable power but differing architectures. Which means that each console has strengths in areas the other is weaker in. It has long been proclaimed by PS3 supporters that a game optimized to take advantage of all the power of the Cell processor cannot be easily replicated on 360, but it must be understood that the converse is equally true: a game optimized to fully utilize 360 features cannot be replicated on PS3.

The reason MS is paying Ubisoft to develop this game is to provide a high-profile demonstration of this very point.

PS3's strength is the flotaing-point power of cell? Sure, that is easy to grant. But floating-point power isn't everything. Things like rendering efficiency and bandwidth matter, too. And the 360 devoted a lot of transistors (100 million or so) to the embedded-RAM frame buffer that provides features the PS3 cannot easily replicate. Similarly, the 360 GPU has a subset of DirectX10 features that are more efficient than the equivalent DirectX9 or Cell features needed to produce the same result in PS3; stuff like hardware-based procedural graphics, "cheap" AA, etc. Finally, the 360 OS has a smaller memory footprint than the dual PS3 OS kernels, to the tune of 64Mb or so.

These things add up.

So rest assured children, it *is* possible to craft a game that runs splendidly on 360 but cannot be easily replicated, if at all, on PS3. All you need is to use all the 360's available RAM in the most efficient way possible and you end up with a game PS3 can't run.

Doesn't mean that something comparable can't be coded to fit the advantages and constraints of the PS3 architecture, but that would require a ground-up redesign of the game so the finished product would be significantly and *noticeably* different, not the same product at all. And, as pointed out by the developer, *at this point* this is not doable. If nothing else because with a 50% higher development cost and a smaller installed base, it doesn't make economic sense to take a 360-optimized game and re-write it from the ground up solely for the PS3 market, which is maybe a third of the 360 market. In the future this might be doable but not this year or next.

Think of this as Microsoft's answer to the claim of Sony-centric developers that the 360 can't match a Cell-optimized game: a 360-optimized game that even a Cell-optimized game can't match.

A reminder to reinforce the point that the two consoles *are* different and optimized games *will* be very different.

Just another form of competition, really.
Think of this as a game of H-O-R-S-E: You can match your opponent by doing everything they do or you can concede the point and counter with a challenge to do something you can and he can't. There is more than one way to score a point, all that matters at the end is who gets "the most-est firstest". ;-)

Any reasonable observer knew this was doable and sooner or later guaranteed to happen. Well, MS decided to make it happen sooner rather than later because, with a larger installed base, they can *afford* to do it.And hardly new; the original Splinter Cell was a similar exercise. Nothing socking, really.

So what does the score look like, moving *forward*?
Lair, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, GT, MGS4, and FFXIII are the "prestige" exclusives for PS3.

Halo3, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, PG4, Forza2, Lost Odyssey, Alan Wake, and now SC5 are the counters on the 360.
Eight to six. And the 360 exclusives are known quantities; they have known pedigrees and come with built-in audiences. And this doesn't include 3rd party games that may someday show up on PS3 but that for now are 360 exclusive.

Advantage: 360. For now.

Just because pundits scream that Sony is going to "eventually* "win" the console war, doesn't mean Microsoft is going to roll over and play dead for Sony, guys. They're going to make it as hard as they can. This move is just one of many to come.

Its going to be a fun ride.
Sit back and enjoy the games to come.

[THAMMER1]

Great post. My favorite part = "the most-est firstest". ;-) LOL J/K But for real you make more valid points than most members on this site.

I know my agreeing with you will cause you some problems in the future. So apologize in advance, but you know how haters are. GREAT post.

[cdawson]

"It has long been proclaimed by PS3 supporters that a game optimized to take advantage of all the power of the Cell processor cannot be easily replicated on 360, but it must be understood that the converse is equally true: a game optimized to fully utilize 360 features cannot be replicated on PS3."

Yeah but you are forgetting one very important thing, the companies that are saying the PS3 is difficult to develop for are companies that produce MULTIFORMAT games, and the ones saying their games could not be done on the 360 are companies that are sony exclusives.
Which ones can you take with a grain of salt? and which ones have alot more credibility?

[techie]

add Uncharted (every developer is talking about that game) and WarDevil please

[Cartesian3D]

1- Ps3 has 512 efficient ram (22GB per second bound width .. more than 360)

2 - 8 to six.. just lol .. u didnt notice Uncharted,FF versus,LITTLE BIG PLANET ,8 days , 2 days to vegas and more will come soon.. who cares.. U compare Alan wake to for example FF13 or FFversus or MGS4!!!! thats funny .. !!

Ps3 has 1.8 Tera flops GPU and 360 has 900 Gigaflops.. I know its not enough for conclusion.. but it can give us some point of view about their power.. SONY didnt RELEASE any specs about RSX .. how can u say it has lower POWER!!! its just BS.

[San anto]

Wrong :P, those few ps3 exclusives u named out weigh all of the 360's so called counters by far for example alan wake lmfao

[Siesser]

Ratchet would be anohter game with "known pedigree and built in audience" that I'd add to the list.

[satanslilh3lp3r]

does anybody use the datel communicator headset for ps3? im on my second one, and when i use it, i can talk, but i cant hear anybody. does anybody have any suggestions? (the input and output are both set to the headset, so that's not the problem)

[agent864]

"it is harder for us to make the PLAYSTATION 3 freeze randomly during single player mode than it is for us on the 360, thus making it impossible for us to bring this title to the PLAYSTATION 3. We are proud of our patented "freeze effect" by which we take the player to new heights of surprise, astonishment, and exasperation for unprecedented emotional engagement with the game. This effect was first incorporated in GRAW2, and we look forward to bringing it to the Splinter Cell franchise. This effect is only possible on the 360."

[aaquib2]

HOW MUCH THEY GETTIN PAID TO DEFEND THE XFLOP 180? BILLIE MUSTA DROPPED SOME MILLS FOR THIS ONE! WE ALL KNOW PS3 IS BETTER SO JUST STOP UBISOFT! JUST STOP!

[Saint Sony]

Omg! Finally someone with something new and unique to say!

ps. If you keep practicing your 2 fingers typing, eventually you will find the "caps lock" too and maybe even learn how to type with 3 fingers maybe...hmm.. on the other hand, nah.. you won't. Sorry.

[Clinton514]

Ubisoft is obviously BS'ing. What's there to argue about?

[cdawson]

Fan boys need to wake up, if so many developers are having these issues programming on the PS3 that is the writing on the wall.
In the future developers are just going to say 'forget this, we can profit on the 360 and PC where there is a bigger user base and a better development kit'.
The PS3 has alot of potential but the design of the processor and addition of a fledgling format screwed sony over big time.
More and more developers are coming forward and stressing the difficulty of programming for the PS3, don't expect it to end. Anyone who has actually programmed before can tell you how difficult it is to jump between two completely different systems.

[Clinton514]

Title

[neogeo]

I thought they were above that.
If I were a boss at Sony I would call up UBI sofr on the phone, yell at them, then dump them as a 3rd party for Sony to teach them a lesson,

[Lord Anubis]

funny they say that, but its not because they PS3 doesn't have the power but rather because they don't know how to make a PS3 game, proof of that is Double Agent.

[silent ninja]

sigh......when will people learn this is PR

[Bigmac573]

This is not news, it's propoganda.

[StateofMind]

Have they seen MGS4 or FFXIII?

I think the more accurate statement would have been, "WE can't do this on the PS3, buy our game fanboys."

[specialguest]

I think we found a winner for the hottest news article post for the N4G contest. That was surprisingly quick though.

[San anto]

splinter cell is the biggest mgs wanna be out ther too bad it fails completely.

where do they state reasons why the ps3 cant achieve what the 360 does. its like a statement from a child,
"my toy is better than yours"
"erm why?"
"because?!?!??!"

[ThaGeNeCySt]

That is the most ridiculous comment i've ever read regarding SC & MGS considering the fact that SC doesn't have "genetically enhanced" soldiers or bosses with "unique abilities"... granted i'm a bigger MGS fan than SC (due to the fact that I love the bosses that Kojima creates with every game) but to say SC is a wannabe MGS is FOOLISH... only thing they have in common is that they're spy games.

[snoop_dizzle]

is it probably is harder to develop for.

and i suggest you guys look at fjtorres long post.

But anyways, i don't think a lot of people think splinter cell is a wanna be. Me, i personally like both series.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Ok Ubisoft said they are not making it for Ps3 so. Splinter Cell is a good game series I will give them that, but regardless it isn't really that big of a game compared to Halo3,MGS4, or many other big games coming out soon.
Congrats to 360 fans who like the games series, but don't think it will like end the war or something, it isn't really that big of a blow to Sony.

[Diselage]

Apparently Ubisoft has built splinter cell for the 360 and is now unable to be put into ps3 very well. This really isn't that huge of a insult, Ubisoft made the game one way and is now unable to put it on to the ps3, it's their loss. Stop with the fanboyism.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

That does make sense. Porting games to different systems would be hard now since all 3 systems use different technology, its like porting MGS4 to the wii, there will be a major grphic diffrence and they will literally have to remake most of the game so that the player gets the same story but just shorter.
Putting a 360 game to the PS3 wouldn't really makes sense since Ubisoft will have to give all players a fair amount of enjoyment.
e.g. Bluray obviously has a lot more room on it so Ubisoft could easily add more stuff to the game, but then the 360 player wouldn't be able to get that much as well because of the DVD not being able to carry that much. And if the situation is that they made it for the 360 first the PS3 version will suffer graphically because of the diffrent technology within it.

[consolecrusader]

You can't compare games like Too Human and Mass Effect to the likes of MGS4 and FF sorry.

[The BS Police]

Don't bring EA into this topic becuase unlie Ubisoft, EA is garbage!

EA is the company that makes bad games and totally ruins franchises (007 for example), unlike Ubisoft who actually makes good games.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Redsteel really it wasn't that impressive(I know its for wii). But i will admit that EA's sport games such as the are only improving graphics which is a major turn off to most gamers which don't really judge stuff by graphics only.

[Drew]

...for the Xbox 360 holding back GTA, eh?

[DADO]

I like the PS3 better than the XBOX but must say that the XBOX has better games and more support from the developers for now. I two or three years all that could change. If the games are going to be next gen than 9 GB DVD will not offer enough space. That is the main advantage the PS3 has over the XBOX.

[DADO]

EA Sports make the best sports games, those are the only games i play that EA makes. Ubisoft isn't that great ether.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

You narrow minded sony idiots can`t figure out that the cell processor alone can not render you good games. It takes the system in whole to provide the graphics and gameplay you so admire on the 360. The ps3 has a poor intergartion between the processor, graphics processor, and allocated memory. This lack of total unit cohesion is a result of poor design, rushing development, and a focus on blu-ray movies not games.

I will let you dorks whom bought that crap know how good the next splinter cell is. Time to put the googles back on and kill some mercs.

Response to fu[k-Boy below. Yes rushed you idiot. The Gpu was decided on at the
last minute. I have seen ps3`s locked up everytime I have gone to a gamestore. They lock up all the time. Note no sarcasm.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

"This lack of total unit cohesion is a result of poor design, rushing development..."

The PS3 was rushed when developed thats why it hardly breaks down in comparison to an Xbox 360 right? Thats also why it doesn't get overheated easily as well right?
*note the sarcasm in what i said

[tk]

It probably could not be done on the PS3 not because of technical reasons, but for business reasons. It will come to the PS3 a year later...

Any game made for the one can be made for the other one. Same as any game for the XBox was ported for PS2 or vice versa. The one may lose a bit LOD, sound, frame rate, AI or something, but still ported. Some XB360 games will be on multi DVD's, PS3 on single BluRay... and hell, swapping a DVD is not that big a deal.. just a bit of pride to swallow from some.

It is a comment, not fact. Chill out.

[shotty]

I recall Capcom saying the samething about DeadRising. The GPU and Ram are the main factors. Even if you dedicate 150 to 200 MB to the Xenos there is still 300 to 350 MB left for system use.

[predator]

i wonder whos the best huh, mmm let me think, UBI so if they say that then they say that, who givs a rat ass, some people need to get a life man, sony devs say games can only be done on ps3, ms devs and in this case ubi 2 say games can only be done on the 360, so what?! us 360 gamers will enjoy sc:c and ps3 gamers can enjoy lair,

Now 1 more thing to say THERES ONLY ONE RONALDO

[DADO]

The Brazilian or the one from Porugal?

[Lex Luthor]

UNITED 4 THE PREMIERSHIP
CHELSEA ARE SCUM.

[predator]

c.ronaldo, best player in the world

[jp 117]

all i keep hearing is the power of the cell . the cell this and cell that well alot of people need to keep in mind that theres more that just a processor inside these powerful machines and it seems the 360s power is just focused more towards gaming and ps3s is focused on trying to be a pc and blue ray player .

[consolecrusader]

"You narrow minded sony idiots can`t figure out that the cell processor alone can not render you good games. It takes the system in whole to provide the graphics and gameplay you so admire on the 360. The ps3 has a poor intergartion between the processor, graphics processor, and allocated memory. This lack of total unit cohesion is a result of poor design, rushing development, and a focus on blu-ray movies not games."

Yeah our poor design, our PS3's break? Our PS3's have a 20% fail rate correct? You can put all the technical mumbo jumbo together you want, but the main factor is that PS3 in the next 1-2 years will demolish 360, all 360 fans have to wait for is one game Halo 3, then Halo 4 blah blah. Besides that and GOW you will not have many 4 million coy sellers like the PS3 will have.

Ubisoft is merely making excuses for not being able to use the tools that Sony gave them at GDC. THey can hype their exclusive all they want but that game MIGHT sell 2 million MIGHT.

At least when I buy my PS3 I see a company who has made profit unlike M$ and their 5 billion in loses, and I also see a reliable product with 10 years behind it to back it up.

[kevin]

you idiots really do not have a shadow of a clue about the ps3 and its true power don't you find it sort of embarassing that the weak60 is already maxed out after only a year yes it has i really honestly feel so sorry for you wanna be tech specialists you dont understand the hardware design of the ps3 in any way but you keep using your last gen knowledge to try to decipher a truely next gen system you minds are only subpar at most you have no idea what your talking about first of weak60 is nowhere near the ps3 in any way wanna know why because the ps3 is a supercomputer and do you wanna know what supercomputers do they are the machines behind these movies such as the incredibles, madagascar, toy story, final fantasy, cars and even those movies that will have those computer generated dragons, and creatures that dont really exist but look incredibly close to real they also render movies such as the day after tomorrow i know your minds are to weak just as weak as weak180 in comparison to the sheer unparalleled magnitude of the sony playstation 3 super computer and i know even after this post of the truth someone else will try to come up with their lame explanation of why your little miniscule minds believe that the weak180 is even at the shadow of the bondary of the sony ps3 and its true power many of you are saying that the ps3 had shown some fake trailers at e3 05 yes you may be right but then again maybe not those games shown were tech demoes done to the ps3 spec and wonna know one more bumber the graphic chip wasn't even complete at the time of e3 05 and one more bumber even with the incomplete system they were only harnessing 70% of the ps3's power that is extremely scary considering no one will ever use 100% of the ps3's power thats if there is a 100% now many of you poor idiots are so bent on just judging these launch titles as oppossed to the full power of the system you idiots dont even understand that whereas the weak180 is very very close to its limit if not exceeded its limit ps3 is doing its warm-up excercise ill show you idiots just how foolish you are why do you think that microsoft released gears of war right around the time of the ps3 launch gate ill tell you why gears of war was microsofts graphical trump card oh its very much common sense micrfosoft planned this release for a long while they knew the game exceeded what the weak60 was capable of but they knew the ps3 is 2X + powerful as the weak180 and they were doomed if they didnt try to battle the ps3's starting graphics with there best graphics you see microsoft is sort of smart and sort of stupid kinda like you people they released the game at the launch of the ps3 because they knew developers werent going to be able to make that level of graphics at the launch of the ps3 so that was microsofts opportunity to release this gears of war but you boys didnt notice that im no tech but yet i figured that out reason 2 why bill gates even stated,"this game is what the system is built for" in other words thats all the system is able to withstand you know the weak180 may be able to match the ps3 if you had 2 weak180's + something else and here is another scary fact sony said the finalized ps3 hardware was more powerful than expected another bummer guerilla games confirmed killzone 2 is already in developement and some elements already exceed the trailer and you that say that the weak60's current games look better than on the ps3 your far from correct because develpopes say that every game done for the ps3 is only possible on the ps3 because its a supercomputer developers could easily at this point and time stop what they are doing with the ps3 just trying to get the physic power out of the system not so much as to scratch the graphic power im so tired of you idiots saying that the graphic processor in the weak180 being superior to the ps3's your so far from right that im sorry for you you see the ps3's graphic chip had to be compatible supercomputer hardware in order for the system to be able to render the true photrealistic graphics that you will be seeing in the very near future plus do youo really beleive that aftr all the trash talk last time about the graphics and the inferiority i would highly doubt that sony would make the same mistake this time around thats why there was 6 years of planning and testing that the ps3 had to go through to insure the ps3 would succeed geniouses are the ones that made this gaming console/supercomputer which weak180 unforunately the weak180 is not not by a long shot when you say that the ps3 and weak180 is equal you must mean the 360 that is comming out in 2010 yeah thats right not the weak180 thats currently out 2005-2010 i said all that to say this stop dreaming that the weak180 is magically more powerfull or equally as powerfull or almost as powerfull because in all reality its leaps and bounds behind the ps3 microsoft knows it they've already sucked it up why cant you all just suck it up as well wake up from this dream the 180 is so last year its not next gen its sorta middle gen and wii is post gen ps3 will be the only one to endure the entire 2006-2010 + believe that no doubt about it 180 is alread all washed up don't expect any improvements over gears of war you'll surely be highly dissapointed enough said but i still know after this post some 100 or 1000's more weak180 fans will come and post on the same subject with more trash and one question why do all you 180 fans come visit ps3 sites so much anyway is your system really that washed up if so please do enjoy 180's little shine time cause it will be small because i guarantee you won't be comming over once sonys system warps past the 180 we will see less and less of you and you wont have anything to say now here is the last part of my post you microsoft fans are the source of the foreshadowed weak180's defeat you post so many comments and talk a whole lot of trash that microsoft will not be able to follow through with on the 180 you see people are surely visiting these sites and reading your posts and you have set a very high bar for the 180 which is maxed out and some more and saying so much that the ps3 cant do but when the time comes and the 180 cant deliver what you said it could and i know microsoft is shaking in its boots because they know that none of what you are saying is anywhere near a reality it may sorta seem like it now but its only been what 2 months please ill give it at the most 5 more months and watch you'll be regretting what you have stated guaranteed and when sony comes through and tells you i told you so that the ps3 will deliver you will be crying because the graphics will even exceed way past even killzone 2 on the ps3 there will be nothing else left for you to say end of discussion at that time i think it would only be fair to pay 180 sites a visit and tell you why the next gen doesn't start until sony said and we will get on your nerves just as you have done to us but it will be the truth not guesses or your wanna be tech analysis you really believe you know everything last gen things dont serve the same as the true next gen youd do well to remember that i will be the first to say i told you so. thanks for your time oh and wait why do you weak180 fans keep still insisting that the ps3 and the weak180 are anywhere near equal let me show you PS3 supercomputer 218 tflops movie making past photrealistic grapic capabilities>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>weakbox 180 1 tflop gears of war and thats the max no further git a clue the first release games on the ps3 look either as good or better than the current games and games to come on the weakbox180 ps3 is going to ball the weakbox180 up and throw it in storage. love you and no hard feelings oh and what developers have you heard say that the ps3 and the weakbox180 are equal either thats just something to get in our heads that thats true or thats just paid people that were told to tell you that to suck you outta gettin that good old ps3 let me ask you if the ps3 and weakbox180 are equal then why are the graphics as good as weakbox180 and developers say that they do not even understand the hardware its very much impossible and secondly why do ports that come from the weakbox180 look either as good or better than the original ill tell you why ps3 is like Goku ss4 and weakbox180 is like bebi without vegeta and EA games is only using well under half of the ps3's power if EA really wanted to they could release a whole noter type of football game for the ps3 that would be completely real life mud, dirt, blood, bones breaking, individual hairs, facial hair, muscle definition, every aspect of the eyes, true facial expressions, breathing, every aspect of the face such as moles, bumps, wrinkles, sleepy stuf, tears, real sweat not like the sortta real sweat being rendered now, veins, nuckle definition, stains, fingerprints, pores, wounds, damage to any part of the body as in real life and so much more because the ps3 is a supercomputer and this is not just for football games its for every genre while you all are saying killzone isnt possible it is very possible but you had better get ready because for the ps3 thats just the tip of the ice burg. BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID. this is the truth yes the truth that these puny weakbox180 fans are trying to mask by giving you little subpar understanding of last gen standards of tech specs to try to make you truely think that these to consoles well at least one of them are consoles are really on the same level if your all dumb enough to believe them and any dumb developer that would like to follow behind them and anyone else go ahead but the true knowledge and understanding can only be done by real next gen minds not americans the japanese there the geniouses so they know dont let you faith be wavered by these would be trash talkers they are making claims that will never come to past. just believe.

motorstorm, final fantasy 13, formula 1 championship, killzone 2, metal gear 4, lair, 8 days, unreal championship 2007 except on pc, ninja gaiden sigma, final fantasy versus that aint nowhere near it and you wanna know how ps3 will win this generation like all the others first of lets take wii out because if you were smart youd know they will last no longer than 2 years know why games may start out alright on the wii pretty good but nintendo left a very key element and thats the fact that they made a nice controller new next gen inovative but same graphics now the games are ok but in a few years gamers will and i guarantee they will be looking for truely next gen graphics and i dont mean gears of war now come to think of it there really aint noting next gen about the wiik but now lets turn to why microsoft will loose you see microsoft is doing well, sort of but you say that the 180 is got alot of ps3's exclusives thats because they need them they knew that they got slaughtered without them last time dont worry same thing this time except ps3 will earn back its exclusives you see over the next year as we speak there are games in developement for ps3 and i guarantee they will be exclusives they are secret projects the reason its a guarantee that they will be exclusives is because they are only possible on the ps3s supercomputer hardware now killzone 2 will be released the second half of the year and that means the game has either made it to the level of the trailer or maybe extremely close but guerilla games has promised that the game will exceed the trailer this game without a doubt will not be surpassed for a very very very very very long time guaranteed but i said all of that to say this the reason why this will be the reason that microsoft will loose this time around is the same reason why the ps3 will earn back its exclusives ill explain you see many of the developers have to see to believe alot like you people now when sony shows off these true next gen games they will surely have an example of what they could achieve if they use true time and money like movie making money not chump change and not being lazy like these first few games just to even the playing feild with the weakbox180 already maxed out system basicaly a supped up xbox now the main reason weakbox180 will loose this is because of you the weakbox180 fans know why you 180 fans have been posting on sites for nearly a year and a half about the 180 being more powerful than the ps3 and 180 only being a little weaker or even that the two machines are equal now that is true if your talking about the new 360 the real 360 that will come out in 2011 thats the real next gen of weakbox now if i were microsoft of course i would just give up if i suffered such a hummiliating defeat such as this next 5 or 6 years but they may just try again but now back to the reason that 180 will loose many of you are still saying that the two are equal if thats so then why is the 180 already maxed out yes ill explain how children gears of war really exceeded what the 180 was built for you see ill show you how this is my logic see bill gates said a good while ago that this gears of war is what the 180 is built for now that could only mean 1 thing its the most the 180 specs could stand for and one more thing that i just thought of for the amount of time and money that microsoft epic games and whoever else that was working on the game was the game outta had looked a whole lot better they were working on this game well before e3 05 all the way til november 06' you tell me they also put over 40 millon dollars into building this game now ill ask this once if the 180 is really stonger than the ps3 then why is sony and guerilla games only using 21 million dollars to build killzone 2 now correct me if im wrong but both those numbers are number for the cost for making entire movies so why doesnt gears of war look anyting like a movie it looks miles away from its cutcenes now i will scare you killzone is only the tip of the iceburg for the ps3 the ps3s capacity can us much more money than that and make games that will make killzone look like ps3 versus wiik now the ps3 really cant make anything pre rendered as you call it because ps3 is the very thing that makes pre rendered videos in the first place you know that the ps3 could be the machine to actually make movies because it has a supercomputer built into it now i said all that to say this you people have set a very high bar with your words and people will be looking forward to it and when microsoft and its weakbox180 cant deliver on what you have promised because the 180 is already maxed out that will be when people will be upset and they will be betrayed because of the words you have put in microsofts mouths and microsoft will not be able to deliver until maybe 2011. thanks for your time

you want me to tell you another reason why the 180 is maxed out look at the time frame that glitches of ware was in developement think, back at e3 2005 there was a playable demo of glitches of ware at the conference, but the game was supposed to come out at the release of the system, but the game was pushed back to November of 2006 at the release of the ps3 wow the 180 is really powerful but the game was in developement for 2 years if not more on a playable 180 hardware build and what a coincidence the game was realeased not even a week before the ps3 release like i said microsoft is smart for releasing their trump card a bit of days before ps3 release then you would honestly think that the ps3 is not as powerful as the 180, but to the one that said that he doesnt know why resistance aint possible on the 180 i wont tell you i will show you:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

as you can see there is way TOO much going on in this game for 180's sissy processor to generate even half of these effects that are happenning in this game but if the game developers had gone for the original target render which is very much possible on the ps3 glitches of ware wouldve looked ugly and crysis wouldnt be all hyped up as many of you idolize it cause it surely dont look that great for what is comming for ps3 but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i dont think that many of you would be talking half as tough if sony wasnt nice enough to spare these kind of graphics for the baby years of the ps3 but hey they are comming and there will be games on the ps3 that will stop being ported to the 180.

the real reason that it is true that the game wouldnt be able to be done on the ps3 is because surely as good as you think that this game looks, the graphics arent close to good enought for challenging the ps3 infact none of the weakling ports of the 180 are good enough for the ps3, you know what i know now that microsoft is paying several developers off, i mean really you ever notice how there was a game that ubisoft was making for ps3 and it suddenly dissapeared before the ps3 even came out uh i think that game was called, Killing Day wait and then they said something rediculous like that it was on the 180 as well although that was only on about 3 sites, this is when microsoft probably secretly paid ubisoft to not make the game because they knew there was no way for there weakling machine would be able to handle such an amazing game but now that this game that couldve gave pc fans precious cysis an early early grave trust me crysis was a shame compared to this game just look:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

the game looked amazing, thanks alot microsoft and ubisoft

oh and another thing how did you figure that oblivion for ps3 was in developement for a year or the other splinter cell, do you idots realize when the earliest finalized version of ps3 was and also when the first developement kits were availible, or even the fact that oblivion was never anounced for ps3 until after ps3 was released ps3 wasnt finalized until july of 2006 and developement kits were out in late july or august all else that was shown were only tech demoes although there are tech demoes in ps3s early life cycle that make 180 and pc look weak, wanna see um? take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

you see these are some of the things that simply arent possible on you 180s or pcs

1st video- was a showcasing of what happens when you merge rsx and cell as you already can see there has not yet been a game truely utilizing ANY of the true ps3 power.

2nd video- this is one thing that 180 or pc fans dont understand about the 180 and pc being weak compared to the ps3 it is for all of you that say that cell cant render any graphics on its own and that it has nothing to do with graphics, i assure you if IBM the creaters of the cell made a game we would ALREADY have a 4d game on ps3 even this early in ps3s cycle the showing in the second video was photo realistic just as the first.

3rd video- this video showed another example of what is possible when rsx and cell are merged, this is truely the end of pcs reign as the top.

4th video- one more showcasing of the rsx and cell merged, incredible but hey this is only the beginning.

oh yeah, something just came to my mind, how did you ever think that pc or 180 was anywhere near the ps3 at this time or any time to come i remember back at e3 2005 you were the quietest people on the earth i thou...

[JCDenton]

Ahh, get a life! I can't believe you spent so much time of your life to write ALL this.

Almost forgot:

1) Why, in God's name, is so important to fanboys of both PS3 and X360 the "fact" that some game can be done on one, but not on the other system? Like someone said - there is no "NO WAY" in programming.

2) When a game is exclusive to PS3 it's because it "can't be done on 360", but when it's exclusive to X360, then we get "lazy developers" crap all over the place. Developers want to make money, meaning they choose a system which is less expensive to develop for and has similar performance. I'm a database developer, and SQL Server can do stuff that MySQL can't (in laymens terms), but both are very similar products. So, why would I want to use MySQL when I found easier/less expensive to use SQL Server platform?

[snoop_dizzle]

really man, you have gone beyond anyone else, and it really show that you are insecure about what others say about the PS3.

Just remember man, graphics aren't everything, though they are important.

thus making this super long explanation kinda worthless.

If your going to make an argument, make it a little shorter please.

[Bonsai1214]

spent five minutes glancing over what you wrote, and its a valid argument. however, none of these games are out yet, so we have no real ammo to throw YET.

just remember that ps2 didn't take off until a year after it came out too

[specialguest]

What the hell is this crap? Learn how to use paragraphs! Nobody wants to read a large chunk of sentences that goes on forever. That's my only complaint.

[techie]

Woah...you should use the power of the cell to write in paragraphs.

[MikeGdaGod]

d@mn cuz, are you writin a book?

its the weekend, get out the house, something tells me you need some sun

[Boink]

it took you that long to write that much nonsense.

you really are insecure about the ps3 aren't you?

relax, it's a good console and will likely prove it self worthwhile eventually.

till then I have a title for that book you seem to be writing:

"I'm a fanboy, here's the proof:"

[BIadestarX]

You should try to get your point across quicker... I think you defeated the purpose of posting your commments. No one will read it, not even the people that agree with you. Which I tell you already, those agreements you have are from your fellow fanboys... which didn't even read what you wrote.

[sak500]

I just used my scroll button quickly over the above post. It even took a while to scroll through that mumbo jumbo.

[aaquib2]

I totally agree with you. Best book I've ever read!

[Babylonian]

are you writing a review for this game, cause it ain't out yet.

[Maddens Raiders]

that hurt. Someone get me a medic and a valium please. Oh nevermind.. I'm already asleep. Jeez.

[testerg35]

I think he was trying to make a point somewhere in there. I guess its like the Cell.. takes that much effort to make something vs 360 where you could have done it quicker.

[snoop_dizzle]

it wasn't the most powerful console out there. The xbox was.

If anything the 360 is reminiscent of the PS2 in many ways historically speaking.

And dude, i had to rotate my monitor sideways just to get through your comment within 5 seconds. Really that must be like 10 pages long.

[zonetrooper5]

Wow kevin any chance of you learning how to paragraph better?

Also the Xbox 360 and PS3 is equal in power, sure the 360 will do some things better then the PS3 but the PS3 will do some things better then the Xbox 360. If this game was only on the PS3 and Ubisoft said the same thing then you fanboys would be like, "oh the Xflop 180 suckzors, the PS3 is sooo amazing, god, MGS4 and SC5 are gonna be awesome."

However its not on the PS3 but its on the Xbox 360 and PC, if you hate the 360 that much then buy it on the PC.

[neogeo]

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[neogeo]

This post is to big. I herd you make a few good points about the systems specs, and I do agree with you about the programming on the 360 being a lot better on 360. After all before Microsoft built the 360 they asked the programmers what they wanted in a system and built it.
But I did want to correct you on some of the specs you stated.

10 mb EDRAM...
is nothing compared to the I/O controller in the PS3, they built a very fast system "Rambus flex IO" its much faster then the 10md EDRAM. It can pump 62.4 gigs per second between the cell/RSX.
fixing the bottle necking we see in todays PC's

Memory controller and I/O

The system interface used in Cell, also a Rambus design, is known as FlexIO. The FlexIO interface is organized into 12 "lanes," each lane being a unidirectional 8-bit wide point-to-point path. Five 8-bit wide point-to-point paths are inbound lanes to Cell, while the remaining seven are outbound. This provides a theoretical peak bandwidth of 62.4 GB/s (36.4 GB/s outbound, 26 GB/s inbound) at 2.6 GHz. The FlexIO interface can be clocked independently, typ. at 3.2 GHz. 4 inbound + 4 outbound lanes are supporting memory coherency.

you see the EDRAM is a very good idea for the graphics chip to processor memory, and is ofttimes pointed out as a plus over PS3's setup. Even Bill gates hyped it. Sony already has a better setup in the PS3 if you look at the link below you will see what I mean.

On to the Graphics Chip. RSX VS ATI/360

"The graphics processor in the Playstation 3 is NVIDIA-designed and is called RSX. How does it compare next to the 7800?

"The two products share the same heritage, the same technology. But RSX is faster," said Kirk." Nivida.

"Many people are wrong saying that "since 360 has 48 pipelines and the ps3 has 24, the graphics will be better on the ATIbegin"

Here is the truth.

Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.{(shader operations per second)
-a total of 136 sops
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops.{(shader operations per second)

I'm tired now and feeling more geekey then ever.
BTW splinter cell look amazing regardless...

(EDIT)sorry for the double post

[snoop_dizzle]

really i wonder what is going through your brain that inspired you to 1 do that much research, 2.to write that much.

and 3. where did you get that much tiem to write?

Why not go play a videogame or go outside?

[kewlkat007]

the long and thoughtful comment but why do people continue to use youtube Videos. They are crappy IMO. On another note, you sound like you work as a developer and know alot about making games for the PS3, when in fact, you know jack squat , besides what you read on the internet. Listen to the MULTI-PLATFORM developers, thats their JOB bro.

A SUPER COMPUTER CHIP does not gaurentee SUPER VIDEOGAMES. Get off the Cells' B@lls. We know it's a powerful chip, but is it practical for game making/development/programming , probally not.

Yes the PS3 is a SUPERCOMPUTER like you wanna believe, but they will always be limited to the MEMORY And GPU capabilities, so the Cell don't mean a damn thing besides crunching numbers.

So lets see, Ubisoft, is just another stupid Company, and Splinter cell is a garbage game, what else are fanboys gonna spit? I guess Assasins Creed must also be garbage, coming from UBI, and whatever other games they produce. The HYPOCRISY is OUTRAGES.

UBI is working on both Consoles, it's not like it's a first party developer hyping their console of choice. You might hear something different from another developer about the capabilities of both consoles, why don't we wait to see, if what they were claiming is true, when they bring out the games.

Why can't gamers accept the fact in some ways, you just cannot compare the PS3 and 360 like apples to apples. THey both have their limitation, weaknesses and strengths. If your not a developer, then you have no idea(stop spitting BS). All the fanboys here know is "Cell" and they think, its the best thing since slice bread, so everything is inferior, while forgetting other components involved in the console itself and how it works with the damn chip.

IT IS, WHAT IT IS GAMERS...360 have the best Tools, a Program friendly CPU/CORES, Efficient Ram, better games out(as of now), and HIGHER rated game scores whithin the first months, when compared to that SUPER COMPUTER of SONY's, that is great at FOLDING, but keeps coming up with excusing why the 360 is not being crushed, like it was suppose to do.

Then again we will see after a year where the sales numbers are. Can't wait, for the "360 has been out for a year" EXCUSES/SPINS.

The PS3 will be "GREAT" but compared to the competition , it is not where I would think it should be, and all of what it was "HYPED" to be.

[cartman313]

Cell is a more practical chip than a general purpose multi core CPU for gaming. Games are not general purpose programs.

[JCDenton]

Almost forgot:

1) Why, in God's name, is so important to fanboys of both PS3 and X360 the "fact" that some game can be done on one, but not on the other system? Like someone said - there is no "NO WAY" in programming.

2) When a game is exclusive to PS3 it's because it "can't be done on 360", but when it's exclusive to X360, then we get "lazy developers" crap all over the place. Developers want to make money, meaning they choose a system which is less expensive to develop for and has similar performance. I'm a database developer, and SQL Server can do stuff that MySQL can't (in laymens terms), but both are very similar products. So, why would I want to use MySQL when I found easier/less expensive to use SQL Server platform?

[Babylonian]

Look at all these comments just because Ubi said SC won't come to PS3. People relax, it's just one game and it isn't even that good. And because Ubi said it doesn't mean that it will stay this way, remember Assasin's Creed.

I personally don't give a crap about this game but for all of you who do, don't worry peeps. Just have patience.

Damn 193 comments and counting.....

[snoop_dizzle]

really it should be like 300 if you include kevin's post.

[23478ueyur_938223]

Isn't it funny how the major espionage game for 360 says it can't be made on PS3, and the major espionage game for PS3 coincidentally can't be made on 360?

That is, SP5 and MGS4.'

Take your pick, I guess.

**sorry, that should be SC5

[kewlkat007]

Watch in the End both consoles end up getting both games.

The 360 has its limitations and so does the PS3.

Fanboys become Developers/Publicists on here when they hear, this cannot be done on a PS3, when in fact it probally can be done, if Sony had better tools, support, like the 360.(FACT)

In the end we Will see a MG on the 360, JUST WATCH. Ofcourse it would not be the first.

ONCE we see PS3 salees in the 10 of millions, we will also see SC on there unless its all exclusive. You just can't use the "CELL" as justifications for everything the PS3 can and cannot do.

[23478ueyur_938223]

Hm, I donno.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if SP5 stayed on 360, and I don't think MGS4 will move if it's as big as Kojima wants it to be.

As you said both systems have limitations, but I personally think games turn out better whehn they're not multi since you only have to work with the limitations of 1 console.

[kewlkat007]

...

[Xi]

Sony fans are THE biggest crybabies I have ever seen. Sorry, but it's true. All I see is the Sony defense secretary, crying NOOOOOOOO this can't be!

MGS4 can be done on the 360, kojima said so himself, ff13 can be ported onto the 360, white engine is open source and capable to run on the 360.

But come on, when lair said what they did was only possible on the PS3 you didn't have half the whining. What are sony fans so afraid of? Is it that they bought the less powerful system and now feel insecure about the games that may be coming out for it? Just enjoy the system.

This is the exact same thing Lair did, they're hyping the game and pushing the system that will sell their game(s), get over yourself, the consoles are nearly equal in power, you won't be seeing better games on either.

[23478ueyur_938223]

Many months ago Kojima said that MGS4 could be done on the 360, but in a more recent interview he stated the following:

"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform" <--DVD level is a reference to 360

To which Kotaku said:

"Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/go...

Please backup your claims --> I'm just pointing this out because you cannot rely on older information as basis for an argument, when newer information exists.

[WilliamRLBaker]

I mean really you brought it 960 degrees because of pure fanboyishness, Firstly it could have been a mistranslation, Or the magazine could have misconstrude the devs words, or the site could be totally lieing...I mean seriously people I kinda doubt the next splinter cell couldn't be done on the ps3....

[kevin]

like i said the specs of the two machines may look equal to you on paper but when the rsx and cell are merged the similarity dissapears completely ah and another thing where is your proof i have mine plenty of it please come with proof before you come, come outta dat dream world of yours the 360 that is comming out in 2010 is going to be as powerful as the ps3 but not the 180 that is out currently not even close.

[snoop_dizzle]

graphics without great games has no point to it.
The PS3 will have some great games don't get me wrong. Thats why im getting one.

And its simple. Msoft's next gen console that might come out in 2010(maybe later) will be more powerful than the PS3, and then Sony will follow suit. And the cycle will just keep going. Its how technology advances, the competition over does the other.

Since you are so big about graphics, were you even a PS2 fan because? It didn't have the best graphics, but had the most amount of great games.

[OneBubbleBastard]

Fanboys who write stupid @ss long sh*t should get banned, just for being stupid..

ohh and 360 owners should get banned too for being mentally challenge..

mentally challenge = Human being who blindly buys a crappy and inferior system. Hence the 360 - WIKIPEDIA

[Boink]

"should get banned for being mentally challenge..."

BWAHAHA, that's hilarious, I hope that was a joke right?

[MikeGdaGod]

when ever a dev says anything negative about the ps3, all the xbots go crazy............."see i told you, ps3 sucks"

but when a dev says anything positive about the ps3, its..........."they got paid off, they're bias"

sorry, but y'all sound lame as hell to me. its a weekend and y'all getting worked up and writng books, on both sides, about each others consoles. talkin the same sh!t over and over everytime an article like this comes out. get a life

[kevin]

you dont have a clue of what i know and like i said the ps3s memory issue dissapears completely when the rsx and cell are merged, when det gennie gonna come grant det wish to make the 180 equal with the ps3 i wanna see him he must be a very powerful gennie to pull off det wish anyway please give up the two machines are equal if you put the ps3 in water then take it back out and plug it up and play it then they are almost equal but no still not equal

[Maldread]

is because Microsoft paid them for an exclusive (probably timed one). This is pure PR talk period. Same goes for some PS3 games where the same stuff is said too (MSG4 could be done on 360, perhaps with some alterations, but they are different machines afterall)

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I don't think MGS4 could be possible on the Xbox most of the game would have to be cut for that. Not to mention THEY ARE different machines so I don't think Xbox360 technology could even support MGS4.

For Splinter Cell I think the game wouldn't look as good on PS3 because of the fact that both systems would have to have around the same content or something to equal it. SO I think Ubi just didn't want to go through the trouble of changing the game so that it would preform equally as good on the PS3.

[Maldread]

I`m sorry, but i`ll have do disagree. We do seem to be on the same page though as we both acknowledge that they`re different machines, and i agree that porting from 360 to PS3 is hard work, and perhaps not the effort. But the main reason why they won`t do it, is because Microsoft has paid them for an exclusive. You can be sure to see Splinter Cell on PS3 again, when the deal is expired.

And i do think MGS4 could be made on 360. Graphicly i have yet to see any reason why it couldn`t run on 360. The MSG-games are traditionally not very long, although MGS3 was long for MSG-game to my delighted suprise. And the games dosn`t use GCI, so i don`t see how MSG4 couldn`t be made on a 360, with little to none reduction in quality.

[snoop_dizzle]

121.1 - hey Kevin
graphics without great games has no point to it.
The PS3 will have some great games don't get me wrong. Thats why im getting one.

And its simple. Msoft's next gen console that might come out in 2010(maybe later) will be more powerful than the PS3, and then Sony will follow suit. And the cycle will just keep going. Its how technology advances, the competition over does the other.

Since you are so big about graphics, were you even a PS2 fan? It didn't have the best graphics, but had the most amount of great games.

Adding to that, so what if the PS3 is more powerful? Its mostly about the games, the graphics are just the icing on the cake. I love the icing but there has to be the rest of the cake, the game play.

[power of Green]

Wow 200 comments over this, and all Sony fanboys lol, if you were paying attenyion you wouldn't be suprized that both consoles have strenths and weaknesses.

[23478ueyur_938223]

As I said, if this game ONLY comes to 360 it'll probably look better since it doesn't need to worry about 2 consoles limitations, only 1.

[wildcat]

Yes, Ubisoft should keep it like this. If it can't be done on PS3 without major changes to the game, then they shouldn't bother porting it over either . I think it will be better to keep this exclusive if they designed it just for the 360, it will be better for the game and the PS3 won't get sloppy seconds. :P

[Cartesian3D]

RSX:

Independent pixel/vertex shader architecture
24 parallel pixel pipelines
5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU)
27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
8 parallel vertex pipelines
2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issued)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
Announced: 74.8 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 550 MHz )
Calculated: 68 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
Announced: 1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)
Calculated: 364 GFLOPS ( ((27 FLOPS x 24 pixel pipelines) + (10 FLOPS x 8 vertex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )

Xenos :

48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture (each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders)
2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, co-issued)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
48 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum (2 ALU x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
240 GFLOPS (10 FLOPS x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
MEMEXPORT shader function

SONY announced 1.8 Tera FLOPS!!!! this is a Question... these specs are all Unofficial .. wait and see REAL SPECS.. that calculate 1.8TERA FLOPS.. there is No winner hear.. both are same in my opinion. if u want EXTREMLY HUGE VERTEX SHADING ( never usefull W/O pixel shader so its impossible) Xenos is better.. but in other aspects RSX is way more powerfull.

dont go to the FANBOISM forums with BS specs that show wrong numbers. I found these from WIKIPEDIA..

conclusion: UBI soft said just BS,
team ninja said to whiner developers: " just SHUT UP and do your job... "

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both have their advantage and disadvantage.. but Im sure the disadvantage of ps3 isnt WEAKNESS.. its CODING for Cell.. ubi soft cant do it at best .. so it said that..

but some 360 fans said its cuz of power.... I post it for show its not true.. and 360 GPU isnt better.. both are good in some aspects.. and in overal NUMBERS RSX is better... I sadi NUMBERS...

[ERommel]

The way I read this article is not that the game cannot be played on a PS3 the way the system stands. I read it has how the game has been made it can't be played on a PS3. In other words a major overhaul to the physics engine would have to be done to play it on a PS3. I don't see this article as a comparison between system power just development technique.

[wildcat]

I'm starting to question how multi-platform Assassin's creed will hold up.

[icdedppl]

i think the biggest point to make out of this article is there is yet ANOTHER splinter cell coming out. seriously, retire splinter cell! we are tired of the game/franchise! a new refreshing game would be great! some original IP! seriously!

[kewlkat007]

I hope you also mention all the other series's that Sony has compiled, which seems to be on 3+ sequals. Take a look around you, and if that happened, SONY automatically looses all its BIG GUNS bro.

Third Party/Multi games have ruled the roost for a while. Take a look at the games on either console.

I'm up for new games, thats why the fact there are 3 consoles out there to push newer offerings. Imaing if the Xbox never came into the MIX, we would would not have that kind of growth and new IP's.

Am I the only that sees this....

[kewlkat007]

MG series has already debut on the Xbox Brand, while SC have yet to touch a SONY console. Really thats was my logic. So don't say never if a game of it caliber, has already surfaced on the Xbox.

As far as SC, I'm not sure how much of a stronghold MS has on that series.

YEs your right in a sense, then again if we NEVER have multi games, then one Console would dominate and we would have a monopoly, casue all the great games seem to be third-party titles, at least the big ones. think about it.

So who really wants that?

I much rather have first-party developers break their backs for thier console of choice, while third-party keep the industry competitive, while being lucrative. We always go down one road, one path, when we lack competition.

Plus it's like your saying that third-party developers will bring out complete utter sh!t if it is Multi and it will be far from that.

[23478ueyur_938223]

http://search.ign.com/produ...
http://search.ign.com/produ...

Also, MGS2 Substance was a flop on the Xbox (I bought it though, because I love the series), and the series never returned. Multi is good sometimes sure, but a lot of the big hitters are exclusive, and that's fine. I say we need a good balance of both. No competition without exclusives! May as well have 1 console then.

[wildcat]

Isn't Splinter Cell: DA on PSP and PS3, and wasn't there a Splinter Cell port on PS2 also.

[23478ueyur_938223]

I'm fairly certain all existing SC games are on a Sony console.

I think MS has a deal with Ubisoft for this game, though. <-- fjtorres pointed this out

135/136: I agree with you guys. The probability of that seems very likely.

Kewlkat, don't get me wrong, I'm just saying both games will have to make sacrifices if they went multi, since to balance the games out on both systems they would lose specific elements only 1 system can grant with its respective specifications. If every 3rd party game went multiplatform, then both sides would be very pissed off.

To your last post: Peace out, man --> good discussion

[kewlkat007]

then, then there is a possiblity for both games to come to both consoles. I thought it was more so MG, but they have both made an appearence, whether it was a flop or not, it was still a business deal between MS and Konami, just as SONY and UBI. So therefore shaking hands before is my point.

And there are exclusive, WHAT DO YOU THINK FIRST-PART TITLES ARE?

Just more so the third-parties have better lasting franchises over the years, therefore some of the better games.

[ERommel]

I may be mistaken but the SC series does have games on PS2.

[LoveHateTragedy]

Porting works best when going from the PS3 to the 360. Porting down doesn't seem to make sense from a 'raw power' perspective, but has more to do with how Cell and Xenon are programmed.

[ChickeyCantor]

360 has 3 cores right?
PS3 has a CEll processor thats equal to 8/7?
and they both handle ram different

"not achievable on PS3 at Current State"

so they just have to tweak it for the hardware then. it says current state.
Developing for 3 cores is already a hard job, imagen for more!

[UrbanJabroni]

"360 has 3 cores right?
PS3 has a CEll processor thats equal to 8/7?"

I swear, I keep trying to come back to this site, but the same crap that has been going on for a year still gets spewed with the same frequency...no one actually takes the time to _learn_ if it doesn't fit your agena.

That statement is absurd. Start with a CS/EE degree, make sure you take a class in distributed systems, get a job in the industry, spend 60 seconds with both SDKs and you'll see how ridiculous that comment is.

[Whoooop]

but I gotta say it's a good decision for them to go exclusive with it.. I'm tired of devs stupid comments about this can be made only on PS3 or 360 etc.. Any game can be developed for any console, they just won't look or run the same.. That's it.

SC is a great series and if devs need to exploit only one platform to get the best out of conviction, then so be it..

Too bad I won't be able to play it on my PS3, but I don't care cause if a game needs to be exclusive for it to be a great game well I'm up for it..

You can bet imma play it on PC tho. hehe (if my pc can support it by then)

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am so tired of this kind of crap. Each console has its strengths. This is nothing more than fanboy bait. I think these companies love to spur us into a frenzy with stuff like this.

Just stop already...both systems are good...just enjoy the games and we can debate over the actual game quality vs system quality.

[fjtorres]

On RAM bandwidth, the PS2 has dual 22GB/s channels.
The 360 has one at 20GB (system) and one at 200GB (dedicate frame buffer cache). Sony doesn't like to talk about that latter one but in rendering and anti-aliasing it is the 200GB/s bus that determines what the GPU can and cannot do.

As for the games I listed, I merely stayed with the stuff we have a chance at actually buying *this* year, for the most part. I know I stretched it a bit with Alan wake and FFXIII which are likely 08 releases but if I was really going to list all the PS3 demoware I'd have to add Fable2, Halo Wars, crimson skies2, Gears of war2, Mass Effect 2&3, and all the 360 stuff that is cooking for 08 and beyond.
Since the question is about what we can actually play this year, some kind of sensible cut-off point is needed. Or do you really thing Sony is going to deliver 20 AAA games between sept and november?

To be honest, I doubt we'll even see Metal Gear this year.
I was trying to give Sony the benefit of the doubt...

As for "little big world" it looks cute. More of an 08 title, though.
Anyway, 360 did cute *last* year with Viva Pinata.
Still behind the curve there I'm afraid.
One thing Sony taught MS last generation is that it is hard to play catchup once you fall behind the development curve.
MS is returning the lesson.
Toodles!

[LoveHateTragedy]

Developers see the ED-Ram as more of a hassle than anything. While RSX just renders frames directly to system ram (and without specifying frame size), Xenos has to send all data to the ED-RAM chip, have that process it in chunks, copy the chunks back into system ram, and then piece them together.

The ED-RAM has almost 200GB/s of internal bandwidth, but it's connection speed to Xenos is only a fraction of that speed. Add in the system bandwidth being eaten away by tiling frames larger than 620p and there's a bit of an issue. This is also one of the reasons converting to RSX architecture would be a pain. Exclusivity gives them the ability to concentrate on only one set of problems.

[UrbanJabroni]

"Developers see the ED-Ram as more of a hassle than anything."

No we don't. Period.

[power of Green]

Sure they said if it were built from the ground up for PS3 it would be better than a port but that does not change the fact they said it wouldn't be SCC/5 if made for the PS3 they said it couldn't be done on the PS3, let it go. DA was areadly graphicaly taxing on hardware and always has been amoung the Best Xbox had to offer.

Good news about the AI though, AI is good and Devs know thats what gamers want TI/Team Ninja want to make the most advanced Ninja Gainden ever for the 360; he said he wants to use two full threads(another term used when devs talk about cores) on AI alone. WoW!.

[BrainDead]

is this suppost to make me feel bad about owning a PS3? because it isnt. Wow get over it.

[Vip3r]

I bet this is just another one of these rumours that are created to cause flamming like this. Total BS if you ask me.

[kewlkat007]

Satanas -sidar - LoveHateTragedy -fjtorres -power of Green -Dlacy13g -Whoooop

Good post from all of you, some questions were raised, I myself was corrected, and made it worth while to respond, when gamers are not spitting pure junk.(just like N4G used to be)

CINCO DE MAYO..Gamers and Gamettes

I'm off to a BBQ and some BEER.

Paace out for MOFoS.

[btkadams]

ill be honest i don't really like tom clancy games (r6, splinter cell, ghost recon) so this doesnt effect me at all really. but from what I keep hearing about ubisoft and ps3 is that they really don't like the platform period. they never screamed "best dev" to me anyways, they cant even port r6v or graw. I hope assassins creed and the other next-gen games they're making are decent. cuz the ubisoft ps3 owners know is cheap and unwilling to change.

It also seems like this might have been a reply to what rockstar said about 360. i dunno. it just seems odd that they'd say its not possible on ps3... it looks like a normal ps3/360 game.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Because I don't know how someone can get that upset over people comparing, praising, and bashing game consoles. Relax dude. It's almost as if he has an intimate relationship with his PS3. Take deep breaths when you type. Remember to space and use punctuation. Avoid run-on sentences. Come up with more clever insults than weak60, or 180.

And please, please, explain to me how the 360 is so "weak", when most multiplatform games look and run better on the 360. Even if the games were made for the 360 and then ported to the PS3, wouldn't they still be way better for the PS3 if it were so superior?

This generation of games won't be any different than any other. Some games will be better on the 360, and others on the PS3.

[gta_cb]

i will wait and see what it looks like when its out.

i like the idea of the AI using chairs and tables etc for cover

[progx]

"Ubisoft making up an excuse to not bring it to the PS3. The PS3 can easily do these graphics. Ubisoft just doesn't want to port the game from their base platform the X360."

lolol holy crap thats some weird @ss denial. Ps3 can't do it and even IF it could, theres not enough ps3's sold to even bother with it.

[Rybnik]

Alright, I'll add my bit. This is either a mistranslation, or incompetence on the part of the dev's. Graphically the new scans of GTA IV in GI, look as good or BETTER than these for Conviction and of course GTA is multi. Further, Rockstar said that the graphics are still improving.

Moreso, if this is supposedly about AI limitiations then why are things like this possible:

(More from GI article) You (Belic)now have the capability of calling other NCP's and potentially setting up deals/ meeting with them or not..They may answer when you call them, they may not.

"AI is another area that Rockstar is keeping under wraps at the moment. I can, however, tell you that I saw a truck driver swerve onto the sidewalk right in front of where we were walking. This strange little incident also took the Rockstar representatives by surprise. It almost looked like the driver was drunk, but then again, he could have just been in a hurry too."

Please tell me why unpredictable NPC behavior such as described above is possible in an insane open world multiplatform game yet not in a PS3 version of SC!!???
I could go on about several different exclusive PS3 games that obviously do many of the things described by these Ubi devs as "not being possible on PS3" but I think my example is good enough.

Bottom line: I hope that this was mistranslated because otherwise the Ubisoft devs look pretty dumb with BS comments like these and lots of evidence to the contrary.

[Sil]

What utter tosh.
The problem all started because the Journalist took the developers words as gospel and failed to ask for mored justification
"the fact that they are exclusive to the 360 allows them to do much more than if they were multiplatform,"
Ok, so you think, no news there since 100% dedication to one platform will give them more quality time to do some pretty cool stuff. But then the developers apparently go on to say..."they doubt they would be able to achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the ps3 even if it was ps3 exclusive".
Well how on earth can they make such statements with any certainty if they haven't tried?
They blather on about how, in the game, since everything on screen has physical properties, yer main man Sam can chuck chairs and paper at enemies.
Hang on a mo, What's so difficult about that you twits?!!
Someone should chuck the latest edition of 'Play' their way.
Haven't they seen the trailers for 'Stranglehold or read the articles on the complexity built into Assassins Creed?
Yet again another mindless unquestioning two bit journalist has swooned in the presence of developers (of a cool game) whom he probably perceives as divine entities and has subsequently lost all reason.
I do wish that people would not immediately start flying the flag for their preferred console every time some apparent fault is spotted in their competitors device.
I'm a PS3 guy but have played enough on friends X360's to know that it is a very nice machine. But I also know that Journalists can be just as naive and biased as the next guy.
I believe the PS3 will prove to be a better machine in the long run but I'm always looking for proof that I might be wrong. Just because it has not happened yet does not mean I'm right but I've learned to respect the X360's strengths and very cool games.
Send the journalist back to school, and save allof us from jumping up to complain about what is really not worth printing or posting up on the web.
Sil

[progx]

lolol kevin has no life at all, that post is friggin huge. Damn loser, go outside and get some sun.

[Cartesian3D]

I want a title contains : " XXXXX won the console war, and others wont be supported by their developers anymore.. "

Im tired of millions of disagrees :((( ..

people plz open your eyes... Who cares x game has better looking on xxx console and Y game is better on other one...

agree with me plz... :((( .. Jk ..

I said sth about SC ( first scans ) that it has impressive lighting and its cool... and see some one disagree with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and now Im just copy and paste WIKIPEDIA and then 2 disagree!!

lol

[kamisama]

If you didnt know ubisoft is nintendo and micrsofts b**ch you should see where this is going this is a come back for what rockstar said about GTA and the 360 so just STFU guys

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

But come on Ubisoft, your one of the best if not the best at what you do so saying its not possible sounds like an excuse to me.

[Maddens Raiders]

Is he having a laugh!? These articles should not define N4G. It is so much more than this. lol

[kingofps3]

Everytime I hear Splinter Cell my hate for the series grows. Fu*k Sam B*tcher. Hope Ubisoft kills him off in this installment ;)

[Shadow Flare]

This is the crappest article ive ever read, apart from the one which claimed theMART WASN'T up Bill Gates butt

So Ubisoft say that Splinter Cell Conviction is not possible on the ps3. Do they give a reason why??? I found no explanation in that article. Ubisoft, you lazy fools. Metal Gear Solid 4 will without doubt smash SC into the ground

It's basically Ubisoft has been more affilated with microsoft and they must be finding ps3 harder to program for. Lazy...

I've heard of many many games on ps3 where they say certain aspects of it cannot be done on the 360. I've never of any game on 360 that isn't possible on ps3. And in sony's tech demo's, they always brag about how much the cell can handle at once. Ubisoft is so full of it

[Russbomb]

First off I would like to state that I probably live closer to finland than any of you (refer to flag), second referring to the previous clause I would like to state that just because its a Finnish magazine doesn't mean its unreliable.
What they are probably refereing to is the Xbox 360s online infrastructure which (at the moment) has far more people on it than the PS3s online. That is the only thing in which the Xbox 360 clearly succeeds in, the console specs that is. So I know that home is coming and the PS network is catching up to Live but at the moment Sony fanboys will just have to deal with the fact that there are some things that the 360 clearly excels in such as online, number of people who own the system, and number of great games out at the moment.

So to clear this all up, I think that they will go PS3 because they will realize that it will get better as far as online is concerned and there are more people buying the PS3 everyday.

[Dragonopolis]

and if true.... well

All I can say is What a Surprise? //sarcasm

This is Ubisoft (kiss Microsoft butt)

Almost in the same category as EA.

Negative comments about PS3? No, say it ain't so. //sarcasm

Yawn.

Seems funny that this would Pop up after a Good round of Publicity for Sony and how developers of some game studios with soon-to-be released games have said they chose PS3 because it can't be done blah..... blah blah......blah blah........... Oh don't forget the article/news about how Xbox 360 can't do Folding Home thing as Well as PS3 (which of course makes the xbox 360 look inferior regardless of whether it is game related or not).

We've heard this story before from somebody else...
// fading into trance like state.....

Of course Microsoft can't come out and say it directly (ya that would be credible //sarcasm) so why not have some of their Third Party ho... I mean close associates say a few it can't be done stuff.

Sorry Microsoft, Sony (and those developers loyal) beat you to it this time. Try a new tactic.

After all, While Resistance was not quite up to the WOW factor as Gears of War I did get a WOW factor watching my buddy playing Resistance on his PS3 on his HDTV. This WOW came about because I've never seen a Launch title this good looking and play so well. I haven't got a chance to see Motorstorm yet, but he tells me its pretty cool.

Sony's only problem is they need to get more games out. PSN isn't going to hold gamers very long (at least in this early stage of the console's life). Sony is still in a better position at this moment than Microsoft because they are still less than a year out. Like to see what the state of games for Sony looks like a year from now - including new upcoming games demos that will come out 1.5 to 2 years from now.

Basically, lets compare quality titles made by developers who make games specifically for each other.

Some say that Ubisoft is doing just that with this game.

Well.... Maybe before Ubisoft starts touting what a game can do, as far as Next Gen is concerned, compared to a different system you first check to see if it compares with the standard set by Epic and Microsoft just a few months ago. These screen shots look pitiful compare to even early screen shots of Gears of War.

Whoopi we can use a furniture for cover. Like objects in game have never done that before. What? Oh... We can use objects as a weapon... WOW... innovation......... // again, a huge amount of sarcasm

When has Ubisoft EVER made a Next Gen Game for a console that truly gave us that next gen WOW for consoles.

//Cricket's chirping in the background as silence fills the room.....

I am (believe it or not) an optimistic person. I am hoping that Assassin's Creed would break Ubisoft from the normal so-so and truly bring a Next Gen Game that will shine on ALL platforms.

Yawn.. this is Ubisoft (Sony fans don't be surprise if PS3 version seems a little less loved after all this is Ubisoft.)

Ubisoft has alway touted Splinter Cell, but really, if you truly want a great Splinter Cell experience you have to play it on the PC. It really hasn't impressed on the console yet.

Even though I said "if it were true" this doesn't change the fact that Ubisoft is a bit bais toward xbox 360.

I believe that Sony, in a way, did a very good thing for the industry by doing different to get graphic power. Companies and developers set in their ways will probably make stupid comments like EA and Ubisoft (if they indeed said all that in the article).

PS3 has open the doors to smaller companies and developers to change the way they think about approaching games to make them better graphically as well game play wise. This small timers willing to take punishment of learning something new and succeeding might find themselves as one of the Big Guys of Gaming 2-4 years down the road while old school try to catch up (but won't).

My gripe is the same for both systems but for different reasons.

The gripe is frustration for being slow.

Microsoft for being slow at bring Next Gen gaming to xbox 360 a year after their supposed head start. (where is this easy to program for advantage Microsoft). Now in Xbox 360's favor they have a lot of fun games and I didn't have to wait a year to play them, but, not what I would call Next Gen.

Sony for being slow at bring games out period (o.k. at least their quality is at least improving greatly with every release and a lot sooner than what I had available on the xbox 360 before the year.

Xbox fans. Please do not use Ubisoft as a Poster child for Next Gen quality Gaming on the Xbox 360. They always hype everything up and by the time they release their product there is always games by other developers that make you say (eh, its been done before) or make you thing "Where's the Next Gen".

Still Waiting Ubisoft.....

[snoop_dizzle]

I agree, xbox fans shouldn't use this as a bias.

I think the only reason ubi is leaning more toward MSoft is because the history they have had with them. The first splinter cell was an exclusive title for the xbox, and they know how to use the 360 in a lot better ways than the PS3. The PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 and PS3 are designed differently.

People are making this out to be some really big thing , when in fact it could be just that Ubi isn't used to the way the PS3 is.

I mean if the PS3 is as truly as revolutionary as many claim it to be, it would be a lot harder to develop for. And i completely agree.

[pLaystation]

wow is this surprising? no
what games have been developed for ps3 by ubisoft? splinter cell the last one.. wich if u compared it to the xbox 360 the graphics were sh!t why because ubisoft sucks at developing for the ps3, this aint the ps3's fault UBISOFT BLOWS.

[candystop]

Why in the heck is every Sony Fan trying to justify there purchase lol? Ubisoft is one of the best developers around and if they say it isn't possible then it isn't! There is know advantage the PS3 has over the 360 and if there is please show me the games! This game is going to be great and after reading so many posts it's obvious that most of you are going through the jealous don't want to believe crap! Yeah i said it, you guys are acting like a bunch of sore looser and instead of taking a punch your running back telling lies to people about what really happened! The PS3 will get better over time once developers get used to it but the same goes for the 360 which is leaving the PS3 way behind! Also COD2, PGR3, and Condemned were excellent launch title so stop already with the RFOM was the best looking launch title ever! It's so annoying to read some of the comments here and i wonder what it's going to take for you guy's to finally admit that the PS3 isn't at all what Sony said it would be!

[Maddens Raiders]

can be done on the PS3. And if the developers take the time - will look even better. This is not hyperbole or conjecture. This is my educated opinion based on real - life scenarios I've seen in the field. Some will disagree, but THINK about it first. (3L33T)

Cheers.

[PS3n360]

And would like to go one step further and say the same goes for any game possible on PS3 is also possible on xbox 360. quite frankly I am not seeing anything on either console that is any better than the other. It all comes down to dev time and resources. It is not that the games are not possible just not financially feasible. get it out and start on the next one.

[chrisin3]

THis is going to be a biased comment because i never liked splinter cell. I played it for ps2, xbox, and computer, but i just don't like it; however, I find this new's article ridiculous. Here is my reason: all these developers are lying to us. Not just ubisoft, but others as well. Here's why: I read articles from developers saying, "well, this game would not be possible on the ps3." Then i turn around and read articles that say "such and such a game would never be possible on the xbox360." I just can't help but thinking these guys are just full of sh*t. lol...maybe in about 2 years we will actually see what's possible and what's not on the consoles, but until then, this is BS. The developers knew full well that this article would be read be gamers. i think it's just a great ploy to garner attention, and boy how it is working.

[hamburgerhill]

I see were your coming from and don't like these kind of marketing tactics! Maybe one console only would be a good thing and bring us back to what brought us here to talk about games!

[FeralPhoenix]

sheesh its comical, everybody wants to bash Ubisoft now....when AC was exclusive they were the great developers, now they suck for making marketing (hype) comments just as other dev's do when they go "exclusive", ha ha and it hurts because you guys buy dev's BS so easily....its funny because I'm willing to bet this game or a future SC title will be on the PS3 in the future, same as MGS4 or a future title....ha you guys don't really think Big name franchises that aren't fully paid for by M$ or Sony won't go multiplatform to earn some extra $$$$ do you? -It's business folks, yeah dev's love making games but unless they have 20 mil in the bank (and the balls) to finance them then all the companies they pay for them care about is how they can make the most profits. -They don't love you....-ITS BUSINESS! -M$ will have great games, Sony will have great games....let this thread die, oh well and the "War" continues..........

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Why don't you put a $ in front of Sony's name huh? All your comments have the $ in the M$ name but never Sony's. Sit there pretending to be a pacifist while judging the rest of us for our choice. I have more respect for the PS3 fanboys at least they pick a side and just judge other fanboys.

Oh well guess its time for you to kiss some more a$$ for bubbles.

[Funky Town_TX]

"AT CURRENT STATE" nuff said. PS3 is or will be a great console.

[Bhai]

...if SC:Conviction had looked any better than Assassin's Creed...but it doesn't, so I don't believe 'em.

[ASTAROTH]

This is just Ubisoft hyping SC. Simple as that. Every developer in the past, present and future adopts this trend. As a gamer since the Atari 2600, I have seen these kind of hyping from every major developers. Do you think Sony wasted millions in a console who is not capable of doing amazing things? Wrong guys. Microsoft neither. They are both playing hard and we are enjoying the games; simple. I remembered Sega back in the Dreamcast days saying that Jet Set Radio wasnt possible on the PS2 thanks to the RAM limitations. They make it for XBOX because cell shading "as it stands" wasnt possible on the PS2. You know what fanatics? 6 years after Jet Set and the PS2 games are more technologically advanced than everything Sega wanted to do. Just compare Jet Set to DragonQuest 8, or Okami, or any DBZ game. You may not believe Sega's words. So developers tend to criticize what cost them more time and effort to make. Given the easier progaming and larger install base of the 360 its normal that some devs favored it. They are making money with it not?? Anyway, I have both the 360 and PS3. i dont believe that the PS3 is inferior. One look at Motorstorm and Oblivion proves me what the PS3 can do in the coming years. I love Gears on the 360. No game is close to its graphics quality but soon it will be topped on both the 360 and the PS3. We as gamers have to enjoy the games as they are. As Team ninja said: "if a dev have time for complaining they arent doing their work. so stop complaining and get to work". Since the comment I respect these guys. Is SC impossible on the PS3. I dont know, I dont think but only time will tell. FANATICS IF YOU DONT LIKE IT...

[FFVIIFan]

I'm not going to bother reading all the comments so if my question was already answered then sorry, but ... if that is how the Devs feel, then why exactly do they feel like that. And what specifically do they mean couldn't be achieved? The graphics? The AI? And even if there is a reason I'm not inclined to believe them. I don't see how Splinter Cell is pushing the envelope to where the PS3 couldn't handle it. And I'm not being a fanboy. I felt the same way when Faction5 said they didn't think Lair could be done on the 360. I think that's who said it.
Regardless, it is looking to be a nice game, and I'm happy with the different look and feel they have goin. Splinter Cell was getting a tad repetative for my tastes.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

PS3 just got so pwned, by UBI of all things.

[VirtualGamer]

Seems odd to me that this is the only site saying this. It does not directly quote or show where in the article it says this.

There are other major gaming sites like Kotaku who report the actual magazine name which is Pelaaja but mentions nothing about this from the article.

It could very well be that there is a reason why this game could not be made on the PS3. I would love to hear it. Unfortunately we only, at this point, have this one persons take on what is said in the magazine and he did not state why?

I think it very premature to be slamming and saying negative things against Ubisoft at this point as again I have seen nothing to support that they have even made this statement or what their reasoning was for doing so. Until then I reserve judgement and won't jump to conclusions and/or bash Ubisoft.

I agree with many on both sides that the PS3 and 360 are similar in power so I find statements like this suspect. Howerver in the case of the PS3 it does have some hardware features that the 360 simply can't match and those have been the ones which developers have pointed to as to why a game could not be done on the 360.

1. Every PS3 has a harddrive and thus developers can utilize the HDD for game play. The 360 does not so it can't.

2. Every PS3 uses a Blu-ray disk for games and thus has more storage capability on a single disk then the 360.

3. PS3 has a motion controller and the 360 does not.

When you look at a game like Lair it uses all 3 of these features and thus is why it can't be done on the 360. The motion sensing is core to controlling the dragon in the game and thus is not something tacked on just to say they used it.

You can say of course Factor 5 is going to say this, they are in Sony's pocket. However how do you explain a developer like Rockstar who is making a game from both the 360 and the PS3 stating 2 of the 3 reason I just did as things they can't take advantage of on the 360? Are they in Sony's pocket to? If they are as well then why do you doubt that Ubisoft is not in MS pocket then? You have to be consistent if your going to use that arguement.

Again I am more then willing to say the 360 can do something the PS3 can't as long as its explained to me and makes sense. But at this point all we have is this one guy saying this with nothing to back it up at all and I can't believe an unsubstantiated news post like this would get the fanboys from boths sides so worked up.

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter anyway since its not coming to the PS3. Enjoy this game 360 fans! Hope its a good one.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You S/Fony fans are all reaching into that deep bag of excuses, only to find it empty. This is not going to be a generation owned by Sony thats for sure its Xbox's turn to shine.

Look at those screenshots, what a beautiful game.

[warfed]

lmao you are an idiot it says press x to fix it... i should go down to my local best buy and take a pic of their display xbox that has been in the same state for over 3 month... and mayabe you should look at my avatar...

[carlman23]

Anyone could say that 'Lair' could not run in its current state on the Xbox 360 and they'd be right. That doesn't mean anything about its portability to the Xbox 360 with proper coding/optimization. The article is meaningless and there's no point in getting all worked up about it. Honestly, I sometimes wish that this site would stop posting the ridiculously conflict-instigating non-news that keeps popping up here... I don't mind seeing numbers (if the PS3 is last in sales, so be it), but all of these random alleged rumor 'quotes' are getting old fast.

[tomfoolery]

unfortunately Xbots are in the minority on this dung heap forum!
Sonydroids are like parasites attacking any info related to
360 news.Can't handle a little competition I suppose............
or,getting their butts kicked this gen.

[PS3n360]

scans are gorgeous the lighting is amazing in th pic with the two guys facing off with the chair. I dont give a shyt if its exclusive or not it just looks real nice. Exclusives always seem to rock on either console

[bung tickler]

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[Robotz Rule]

Wait till' Gabe Logan's return haha!!!!!:):D

[ErcsYou]

what exactly couldn't they achieve? maybe they finally realized that they are to retarded and have know idea how to make a decent port. i know that ubi soft is going to be the laughing stock of e3. do you know how it feels to get laughed at by other game developers? Jaffe is going to be beating some one's A$$ this year. all the other game developers have no problem porting games, sounds like they need new programmers.

[Diselage]

Unless Microsoft or Sony Officially announce a merger i'm betting this may be get the highest degree rating of the month.

[Vadim]

i dont get it, whats all the big name callin and hating about. Splinter cell has always been an MGS wannabe, since day one. Just think of it as MGS4 version to the 360...lol

[tomfoolery]

178 - Holy crap!!!
i dont get it, whats all the big name callin and hating about......................... ...check yourself Vadim.

[Sevir04]

i mean just think about it. i for one dont believe not a word. splinter cell: DA was on ps2, hardly anything was different except for graphics and then they dropped it on ps3 5 months laters... utter bs, the graphics on the 360 wasn't even marginally better the the ps3 version so again nonsense. I mean ask your self this does this game look any better than SC:da on 360 no they look about the same. maybe a tad better certainly not leaps or bounds. and Ubisoft of the fews years have become the same like EA. i mean look true games take 2-3 years or even 4 to develop. companies like EA and UBI soft drop games in the same series once a year. Last year mmadden 07 came out and SC:DA released now they are dropping another rushed product thats only using the UE3. middle ware is a cruch for speedy development and rushed products it's better to do it from scratch. and can this series hold a candle to MGS any of the MGS for that matter.... lol!!! ok i'm not missing anything with the mediocre SC series so i'll stick with the people who do it the best. Kojima productions.... MGS4 wi;ll totally pwn this and everyother SC game... end of story.

[bouncybullet]

if only there was just one gaming console.

X-station Wii60

[nice_cuppa]

THATS SOME FANBOY POSTS RIGHT THERE !

ps3 suxors !

except mine though !

that ones o.k. !

[Xeoset]

__________

GPU Transistor Count
PS3 - RSX transistor count: 300.2 million transistors
Xbox 360 - Xenos transistor count: 337 million (232 million parent die+105 million EDRAM daughter die)

GPU clock
Xbox 360 - Xenos clocked at 500 Mhz
PS3 - RSX clocked at 500 MHz

GPU video memory
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 512 MB of 700 Mhz GDDR3 VRAM on a 128-bit bus
Xbox 360 - Xenos: 10 MB daughter Embedded DRAM as framebuffer (32GB/s bus, multiplied by 8 thanks to multisampling unpacking for an effective bandwidth of 256 MB/s, the internal eDRAM bandwidth)
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 700 Mhz on a 128-bit bus
PS3 - RSX: 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM via Cell (with latency penalty)

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 275 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.1 Billion Vertices/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 0.825 Billion Vertices/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Texels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 11.0 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.4 Billion Texels/sec (if all 8 Vertex Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 3.3 Billion Texels/sec (if downgraded to 6 Vertex Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 17.6 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 13.2 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 26.4 Billion Pixels/sec (if all 24 Pixel Pipelines remain)
PS3 - 22.0 Billion Pixels/sec (if downgraded to 20 Pixel Pipelines)

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.0 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - additional 20.0 GB/sec when reading from XDR memory (with latency penalty)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture
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Look at that Sony Fanboys. Grand Theft Auto, Assassins Creed, FRACTURE And SO MANY MORE! Are being held back because the PS3's GPU just pales to the 360's.

All that extra time to build a Console and all you got was the SIXAXIS?

Now £5 says I get a million disagreements for both acting like you tards and stating an actual fact and you guys cause an uproar. GG Cows. GG.

[Drew]

This is out of hand. The comment cap per-person should be far less than it is. Come on, people. It's a couple sentences.

It shouldn't get five essays as a response. =/

[anh_duong]

does anyone see a pattern here?? i clearly do:

if it is a ps3 excluse (lair, heavenly sword, mgs and ff) then the developers will say that it can't be done on an xbox360.

if it is an xbox360 exlusive (halo, splinter celll etc) then the developers will say it can't be done on ps3.

this is all propaganda bull by sony/microsoft. however, some people think they are so smart that only they can totally understand what is said by the studios - they pull out the tech sheet as if they are some bloody ibm processor engineer. one day you guys will realise that you a merely foot soldiers in the war of viral marketing employed by the studios to sell their products. don't believe everything you are told. studios are brainwashing you. don't buy into the hype be that lair, heavenly sword, splinter cell or halo3. smart people are the ones who only buy once they actually tested the product. $60 dollars can be a lot of money for what i sometimes call blind alllegience.

[StrboyM]

"Ubisoft say Splinter Cell Conviction not achievable on PS3 at Current State"

lie...

[THELANDSOFSAND]

fu(k you PS3!
fu(k you sony!
fu(k you playstation!

hahahaha

[gearsofwar]

[homeedition88]

Cell has prove itself in Folding@home project. A small group of university programmer optimize Folding@home programme but Ubisoft can't optimize this game. :D This is ridicules.

[Fanboys are gay]

yes keep banging on about folding@home cause it looks like it will be the only thing the ps3 can boast about

[elliot_]

splinter cell IS TOTTALLY DOOMED like the xbox...

by the way the game looks awesome...poor sam

[xg-ei8ht]

Xeoset

Thoses maths are wrong, i've seen them posted at many places.

Considering RSX specs were never released, most ppl infact believe that RSX is nothing more then a 7800gtx. Shame though as they are totally wrong.

And ubisoft. lmao. Damage control, probably because nobody wants splinter cell when they do terrible ports.

Ubisoft are awful with this series, on pc they run even worse. 1900xt, 7800gtx, and alot of ppl cant even get the game running on 8800gtx, which is the most powerfull graphic card there is fullstop.

And this shows, although they are multiplatform most of the time, the splintercell series will end up being on xbox360 only.(thankgod)

[ACE]

tell us some thing we didnt know ubi , look at splinter cell d/a on ps3 compared to the 360 it was a joke .

with all the properganda going on with sony and ms u just dont know who is telling the truth .

as for splinter cell games they r amazing once u get in to them cant put it down .

as for the new one,,,, looks AMAZING cant wait .

[BrainDead]

Once again is this suppost to make me feel bad about owning a PS3? because it doesnt. Worthless shyte again.

[ChickeyCantor]

All i said was they have different hardware architectures.
so next time you go jack thompson on someone, think.

if you search the web many Devs have said, developing for PS3 is harder then developing for the 360 because of the CELL.(unless they dont want make use of al those CPU's)
And 3 cores isnt easy already.

plus the fact both handle the RAM different.

[Says you]

Kojima considering thats not at all on what he said he said it could doesnt mean it can meaning hes saying that Metal Gear Solid 4 could be running on the XBox 360 doesnt mean it can what an idiot.

[Gears]

Look at 99% of multi-platform games, they either look worse on PS3 or play worse, and sometimes both like the last Splinter Cell. Even if the RSX's #'s were higher than Xenos it still wouldn't be more powerful. RSX is old tech, which runs at 50-60% efficiency only reaching half of it's respected theoretical power. The Xenos on the other hand can reach 90-95% efficiency due to unified architecture, basically beating RSX to a pulp. No game on the PS3 will surpass Gears of War or Mass Effect. You guys wasted $600 on a movie player, when I can walk down to compusa and get a 7800gtx for a couple hundred bucks and have a PS3.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

where do you get your weed GEARS or is that meth get me some i have money for you please put me on det you gat

[eLiNeS_NIGGER]

yep more bulls*it,

GIVE THE PS3 A MUTHA FUKIN CHANCE PEOPLE, LETS JUST SEE THE PS3 A YEAR FROM NOW, I CANT BLOODY WAIT AND YES I HAVE BOTH CONSOLES AND I THINK THEY ARE GREAT I.E GAMES, ONLINE, BLU RAY AND HD DVD, THEY BOTH HAVE GREAT FEATURES, GIVE THEM SOME DAMN CREDIT AND NOT BULLS*IT, EVEN THE WII IS GREAT FUN, BUT YOU F*GS CANT SEE THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO MEET SOME OF YOU PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE, I WOULD KICK YOUR ASS!!, AM 24 YEARS OLD, I USED TO THINK A MOVING DOT ON A SCREEN WAS GREAT WHEN I WAS 12, THESE DAYS ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, SONY AND MS ARE ALL IN THE ACT.. NINTENDO HAVE HALF THE RIGHT MIND TO STAY AWAY, MY POINT IS SIMPLE, BUY A GODDAM CONSOLE I.E PS3, 360, WII... PLUG THE DAMN THING IN AND HAVE A GREAT TIME AND STOP MOANING ON ABOUT WHO HAS FASTER THIS AND FASTER THAT, THANKYOU AND GOOD BYE!!

[BoneMagnus]

How many times has some article from a foreign language been incorrectly interpreted? In a day or so, we'll get the "correct" translation.

And the correct translation will be nothing controversial or news-worthy. Its not worth getting upset about. For that matter NO video game news is worth getting upset about - its a FRIGGIN' hobby! (A hobby I love, but get some perspective, people!)

[macsto]

lol