Xbox 360 not as useful as PS3 for Folding@home

Vijay Pande, creator of the Folding@home project, which harnesses the power of networked Playstation3s across the world to carry out essential research into Alzheimer's Disease, has revealed to Pro-G that the 360 is of limited help to his work.

[TriggerHappy]

This is coming from the creator himself, guess the 360 really cant do Folding@home. *shrugs*

[Dareaver1]

Even if the 360 can't do folding as fast as a ps3, it can do it faster than a pc, so why not still offer it. I mean they are still allowing the program for pc users, why not offer it for 360 users. If he was really out to help people, he wouldn't make such stupid comments. You would want help from every facet of the planet, and you wouldn't try to put down something else. To me (i'm sorry guys) but that sounds bought. Just an observation. They are still using pcs', they are now using ps3's, what is really the problem with using 360's for those that want to help. I mean it's for the greater good, right? It's not for bragging rights about a console. That's just a bonus for sony about calculations (but you want to know a secret, the ps2 could calculate faster than the original xbox so go figure). I'm sorry this guy is full of crap now, I don't get why you wouldn't want help from those who want to help. Doctor's are bought all the time from pharmaceutical companies, why couldn't he be bought? Like i said before, the ps3 can calculate faster, but a 360 contribution would still help us all, and is faster than the pc's so someone really needs to get the ball rolling. We are talking about a disease that can affect us all, both 1st hand or 2nd hand. We would still all benefit in the end if we used all our resources to find a cure or something.

This world is so stupid sometimes!!!!!!!!!!

Thanx for the disagrees guys, atleast if your are gonna disagree with me, be brave enough to say why. That would be the more mature thing to do. But thanx anyway, atleast it shows that you read my comment (i hope), and maybe you got something out of it.

[dantesparda]

Where does it say that the 360 could do it faster than the PC? stop jumping to conclusions. The 360's 3 core processor is an in-line processor with only 1MB of L2 cache shared amongst 3 cores! and runs at only half the speed of the core! (1.6GHz, which is asynchrous, which results in all sorts of latency issues), This is in no way faster than A PC CPU. That may be fine for graphics processing & properly arranged general code but not general processing, or branch execution, or heck even AI or physics, which need to change with whats going on. Now the PS3's architecture seems to work better for this form of processing, and the advantage really lies in the SPU's and not the PPC core, (which is almost the same thing as the cores inside the Xenon.

P.S. Im not one of the "Disagrees" i dont waste my time with that, as it has to reload the page, no thanks

[XxZxX]

"This world is so stupid sometimes!!!!!!!!!!"

You know the world might be stupid in the eyes of genius or retard that too full of himself. You pick which one you wannabe.

[artman]

I was going to click disagree, but you got disagree point so many already. btw ... I believe its because you mention that 360 is faster than PC, do realize what is your saying?
the truth is PC still faster, I'm not sure about CELL though, nobody officially test on both CHIP yet.
if you think again with macPRO 8 core, do you think 360 is still faster?

if 360 is faster then I would like to use 360 for my farm rendering, which is more cheaper than render boxx, where the cost is at least $1750 for each unit, with the price of $600 PS3 is surely cheapest supercomputer. it's true. I'm not a CELL maniac. and it's not me to say the fist that CELL is fast for calculating.

http://boxxtech.com/

[Dareaver1]

I'm talkin about the average pc users computers, i mean there are now quad core pcs of course the 360 is not faster than those, but i'm just generally speaking about the average consumer who is running folding at home.

[CG]

Guess the 360 is only built for GAMING after all....ah well all the 360 owners will just have to continue gaming while the ps3 fans enjoy Folding@home.

[Armyless]

and it deosn't benefit Folding@Home either

[razer]

Agree.. Big stinking deal.. Buy your console to Fold.. I bought mine to play games. I can't wait to see an article about the Power Button. The PS3 power button feels softer on my finger than the 360 button.. There's one more fanboy arguement we haven't had yet.

[Shadow Flare]

I guess the ps3 really does slaughter the 360 in terms of power/ calculations per second and so forth. All the better for ps3 games, shame the 360 can't handle that

[Boon Tarkas]

And while your machine is farting out quadratic equations and square rooting pie I'll be playing GOW and other scorching games.

Have fun, but assurredly, if its your machine vs. my machine you won't catch up in this department for quite some time yet.

[uxo22]

You guys compare these consoles for everything. It's really getting rediculous. If the folding dude don't think the 360 is as good for folding then good. Not the 360 owners need not feel bad for not helping a good cause. They can just say, my 360's not compatible. Besides, if some one was willing to lend me a FREE hand, I'd accept their offer without whining about how little help their giving, this guy must be a retard. Anyway!

This is the one of the dumbest posts i've seen yet. To be honest about it, unless there is a new game coming out that uses the folding engine (sarcasm) them who cares. The xbox360 displays xboxlive better than the ps3, but really, who cares. I know I don't!

Just another lame post to start people to flaming, it's not about folding anymore, now it's about which console is better, as usual I guess.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Hmm..years later, and you're still playing Gears of war.LMFAO

Meanwhile we, PS3 owners, are being treated to la creme de la creme of Visual stunners.Sucks to be a bot.

[DARKKNIGHT]

you are still playing gow???

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahhahahahahahahahha

HA

[snakeater3]

aaa well...i guess the 360 is not that powerful afterall...i guess the 360 has really reached its limit overheating running games an' all...whilst ps3 can dish out equally good games whilst farting complex calculations in its sleep....imagine what the ps3 can do 2 years from now...swweeeeetttt

[TriggerHappy]

This is about folding@home and how it cannot run on the 360, lets now go overboard with this. It has no relation to gaming on either consoles.

[WilliamRLBaker]

I dont remember reading at any point in the article that 360 cannot run folding...nice lie to tell.

[razer]

It's fanboy wars.. When you back a sick animal into a corner it will lash out anyway it can.. This latest is this folding BS.. It's hard for them to accept they aren't #1 no matter how much they blabber on about the power of the cell.. Which is damn powerful btw but not god's gift to processing like many of these comments would lead you to believe.

Not one point did I read that the 360 couldn't do Folding.. But then again I don't think half of the people arguing read the article.

[gta_cb]

ohwell, seriously i would rather folding@home carry on working on my PC so i can carry on gaming :P hehe, especially as i am now about to go buy some MS points and get Gears of War :P

[N4G_FANBOY_CRAP]

If i'm playing on my PS3 I don't fold, if i'm not or i'm playing the 360 I fold.

These "I ONLY PLAY" comments are just plain stupid, you can't play all the time, so why not contribute.

[uxo22]

The same can be said about the local soup kitchen, how bout getting off your A$$ and get down there. Why not contribute right?

[gta_cb]

@ ROCKWALLABY

i didnt say that i game 24/7 BUT the only thing i will leave on while i am NOT at home is my PC especially as its energy efficient, its quieter then my Xbox 360 and i know that my PC is reliable. i sometimes leave my PC running 4days in a row, as i set various tasks running which take some time to complete such as Folding@Home, i feel soon as though i am running this program on my PC which i brought myself, and being a student i am 1 in a few that buys my own stuff, including HDTV, Xbox 360, PC etc etc.

i also note that people disagreed with my comment, now i did NOT say i didnt want folding@home on my Xbox 360 as if it was i would use that as much as i could, but i also enjoy coming home after a long day, kicking back and playing some co-op/versus games online with friends and random people. so i still stand by my coment. My Xbox 360 NEVER overheats, and i sometimes play it/leave it on for long hours. BUT i still wouldnt want it working constantly on crunching data with me NOT there with it.

your comment

"These "I ONLY PLAY" comments are just plain stupid, you can't play all the time, so why not contribute."

i hope ISNT directed at me AS i NEVER said "I ONLY PLAY" nor never refered to my only playing, it wouldnt make sense when i use my Xbox 360 for gaming, viewing pics, listening to music (off HDD/Ipod/Computer) and also as someone else has said you can go on the web using media center (using the Xbox 360 as an extender)

But as i have heard lots of people having Red Ring of Death after a year, and i have only had mine since October/November time it has yet to prove itself. also i DO contribute, soon as though this program ISNT available on the Xbox 360 i am contributing infact where i would normally turn off my computer when all my tasks are complete i now normally keep my computer on overnight, next day just to run folding@home so dont bother coming out with such stupid comments to me as i AM doing my part.

oh 1 more thing "If i'm playing on my PS3 I don't fold" hmmm i know my computer ISNT as powerfull as your PS3 but i mite be making more of an effort then you... ever thought of that? as when im on my PC i fold, when im on my Xbox 360 i fold, when im sleeping i fold, right now i AM folding!

[N4G_FANBOY_CRAP]

@uxo22 "The same can be said about the local soup kitchen, how bout getting off your A$$ and get down there. Why not contribute right?" -

why? are you hungry? - Some people contribute their time others their money.

@gta_cb
"oh 1 more thing "If i'm playing on my PS3 I don't fold" hmmm i know my computer ISNT as powerfull as your PS3 but i mite be making more of an effort then you... ever thought of that? as when im on my PC i fold, when im on my Xbox 360 i fold, when im sleeping i fold, right now i AM folding!" -

I have a computer also (So my dik is bigger than yours :), which pretty much sums up this comment), it's not a hard task to leave your computer/ PS3 going.

"i hope ISNT directed at me AS i NEVER said "I ONLY PLAY" nor never refered to my only playing, it wouldnt make sense when i use my Xbox 360 for gaming, viewing pics, listening to music (off HDD/Ipod/Computer) and also as someone else has said you can go on the web using media center (using the Xbox 360 as an extender)"

In between the Micro$oft ad you have a point you did not say "I ONLY PLAY", I was refering to this type of response in general buy terming them "I ONLY PLAY".

"...My Xbox 360 NEVER overheats, and i sometimes play it/leave it on for long hours." -
Does yours have a temprature gauge?

" ..BUT i still wouldnt want it working constantly on crunching data with me NOT there with it."
I wouldn't do this with my 360 Either, but I feel confident that my PS3 will cope.

[uxo22]

Just having some fun, sorry if I offended you. I understand your point man.

[THC PRITCHARD]

My ps3 killed my XB360

it was well cool my ps3 made my x box fly round my room

all i can see on the x box was red lights tell me i am getting real mad
But blew up cause the power of ps3 was way beyond

[uxo22]

Why is that cool, you just lost $400.00

[Bathyj]

Could I suggest that PS3 owners take this with a bit of humility and not go overboard with this. We all pretty much knew this as Cell is something different to normal PC arcitechure. They were made to work together with clusters being compared to super computer type performance. Lets just be glad your love your PS3 and not rub it in too much please.

And as an X360 owner, I wouldn't use this program anyway. No until M$ sorts out the breakdown issues. I'm not hating on the Box, but its just to unreliable to be left on for hours when you're not even gaming. Sorry but thats the way I feel, and I think the facts back me up.

[gta_cb]

yeh i agree with you i wouldnt want my 360 on for long hours when im not there incase it overheats, especially with me playing Gears of War soo... much :P

[nstott]

I use 2 360's as extenders in enclosed spaces. On the weekends one is on at least 10 hours either playing music and displaying pictures, or playing live or dvr'd hdtv or surfing the web(Yes the 360 can surf the web as an extender). Yes, I do go outside on the weekend,(I have outdoor speakers as well). I have been using them for over a year now with no problems. I don't disagree that there are 360's with problems out there, but the majority of them work and work well. You just have bought the FUD spread by the users on this site hook line and sinker.

[Bathyj]

I've just had 2 Xboxes die on me and we all know they aren't as reliable as they should be. I'm trying really hard to just talk about this without turning it into a flame war, so please lets not get into a back and forth thing here.

For the record, I'm glad that your Xboxes are still problems free, especially with all the use you give them. I also applaude anyone participating with F@H, and anyone knocking anyone else who does it because of their petty fanboy allegences needs to pull their head in.

Goodnight, cya tommorrow.

[techie]

Just because the ps3 is better at this...it doesn't mean the 360 can't do it. 360 is still a powerful 3 core PC...he said thr PS3 is 20 times better at this than a PC....I expect the 360 to be about 10times better than the average PC also. I hope it comes to the 360 soon :)

[gta_cb]

well everyone should know this as a £200 computer COULD run it, i am running folding@home all the time my computer is on, and i am running a SINGLE core CPU and a NON SLI GPU but my computer still runs pretty well and done a 50,000 frame cycle in just over a day, and like i said mine is a SINGLE core CPU although i will be looking to upgrade to dual core soon :P

so yeh with the 360 having graphics MUCH better then my computer, and having a triple core (3times better then my computer) of course it could run it

[Silver Bull3t]

I'm really happy for them. Too bad we're forced to play games on the 360 :/ Those bastards.

[TriggerHappy]

360 wont help in the cure against cancer, and like i said before, this has nothing to do with GAMES.

[power of 360]

dont want to do folding at home crap want to play games

[Armyless]

Dork

[Bebedora]

...any good reason why this is the case actually?
The CPU in xbox is a more general (PC-like) processor?
Then I can understand why. Still a PC rig can fold so should a xbox be able to. Just that it will not be as good at it.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Folding@Home or Mass Effect and Halo 3, hmm man that’s a hard choice to make, maybe I’ll just "fold" space in Mass Effect.

[ReconHope]

it does not matter how it does it but why you are doing it. ppl get a life.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Hyyyypooocriiite

What next you gonna tell us we shouldn’t game or that its bad for us? I know what you can do call us all nerds or we can all buy bb guns and shoot our eyes out.

[nix]

there's no point!

[CrazzyMan]

what a weak system =))

[Bathyj]

What I want to know is, if PS3 is so good at folding, why doesn't Stanford get funding to buy a heap of PS3's and dedicate them solely to folding. Wouldn't that be a a huge boost to their power? I mean $100K is pretty cheap for a super compuer.

[Premonition]

They can do it for free through the PS3 users, and I doubt they can fit over 600,000 PS3's in their research lab.

[NINJARIFIK]

without starting a flame war, let me say a couple things. fact: NOBODY plays their system 24 hours a day. So while i'm not playing, i run F@H. it requires no extra effort from me, at all. i think it is a stand up thing to do. what happened to helping out humanity just for the sake of "because i can"? am i looking for an award or a medal because i F@H, NO. BUT....somehow, someway, this turned into: ps3 sucks, online is crap, the games suck. what is wrong with you people. ill bet if your grandfather had Alzheimer's, you would wish there was a little more you could do. but instead of applauding the effort of people who help this worthy cause, you have to turn into fanboy flaming. shame on all of you for being so self centered that you feel the need to put this program down for the sake of "proving" your game system is better. This includes ps3 fanboys for putting down the 360 because it doesn't run F@H, are you that desperat for justification? it is time for some of you people to grow up. for shame. all of you.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I'm sorry I forgot what you said, where are my keys and my wife?

"jason xg1: you are exactly the person i was telling to grow up. congradulations, you proved every point that i made. thank you"

Your telling me to "grow up" while using that avatar? and to top it all off you can't even take a joke, Here bro is a quarter by a sense of humor or turn your TV to comedy central once in a while and watch Carlos Mencia or Dave Chappell or watch Carlos Mencia rip off Dave Chappell.

[techie]

i feel sorry for you jason, I really do.

[bamdad]

jason, dude....you're pathetic

[Odion]

Here is a quote from this page.

After being asked if he thought the power of the 360 could be useful, he said: "Possibly, although the cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

See how he says for our calculations, meaning that the CPU on the 360 isn't weak but just wouldn't suit the program, i wouldn't take this as any kind of indication of well anything. the 360 has 3 big core processors in it, most comps only need one for the best looking games. The PS3 has more horsepower, but has less ram and both GFX cards are pretty much the same.

And hey who was the winner last generation? Cause from what i remember it wasn't the most powerful or most expensive system, it was the PS2, because the PS2 had such a great lineup of games, and this time around the 360 list of games really is like 10 times better then the first xbox.

[DrRage77]

lets not get ahead of ourselves people. yes, the ps3 can do folding@home better than the 360...funny how sony fanboys ignore facts that the 360 is just as powerful to the ps3 when it comes to GAMING. and yes, that is a FACT from previous articles when they actually compared the processors and the graphics processors for GAMING...and if somehow sony fanboys mysteriously "forgot" about the actual comparison of the components of both systems, here is the article....read it if your hearts can handle it lol

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/por...

once again, yes, the ps3 is better at folding@home due to the cell processor and the way it's architecture is setup, BUT the 360 is as powerful, if not slightly more, when it comes to GAMING...please read the articel and then come back on here with your comments....

[trane07]

Then explain why Rockstar says that it is making limitations
Explain why kojima can't work mgs4 on it
And Explain why oblivion looked better on ps3.
Its supposed to be "better" right?

Both are great systems but to use some link as old and November 2006, when the ps3 debuted and when nobody knew a damn thing of what it is capable of (especially to this day) is totally stupid. And what makes it even more fanboy is people sitting here on this site whining "oh well Its better at gaming not folding" just because the 360 can't fold is dumb as hell and completely fanboy.

You don't know what system is better than the other but to sit there and use some homemade site, who I doubt knows the true answer since the ps3 released around the date that site's statement was made is damn dumb. You people need to really grow up with that fanboy bull. Its not that damn serious.

All you and the rest of the fanboys including the ps3 ones are spinning this news in favor of your console.

ps3 fans say
"Folding on ps3 is better because ps3 is the better machine"

360 fans say
"Well 360 is meant for gaming not folding which the 360 does better than the ps3"

[razer]

You are getting too much of your news from this site.. If you go back and actually READ the articles you commented on you will see that Rockstar did not say the 360 is holding anything back, Kojima said BOTH systems have their limitations, etc etc.. Stop buying the bullshit from the comments and read and educate yourself.

[calderra]

It's been said for years, people: 360 is more optimized for gaming, while PS3's Cell is really meant for straight-line computing. So of course Cell is better for Folding- that's what it was designed to do.

And yes, they're TOTALLY different tasks. Saying the PS3 is better at Folding is like saying PS3's an excellent drag racer, while gaming requires a rally car whose top speed is much less important than its ability to handle quick turns and difficult roads.

[Bullseye]

an origami game, the PS3 version will be that much better than 360 version. Oh well, never liked folding anyway.

[NINJARIFIK]

@ jason xg1: you are exactly the person i was telling to grow up. congradulations, you proved every point that i made. thank you

[low_thepunisher]

i think that the ps3 is much more efficient at calculating, which makes it able to have better graphical capibility, and also there is more room on a blu-ray disc (50Gb) than on an h-dvd (30Gb), so there is more space to create a better game

[hamburgerhill]

Well you just sit there and keep waiting and waiting for a game that looks graphically superior than whats on 360 lol! Also what does disc space have to do with a game being better because I can't think of anything? F@H is something I would like to be a part of and really helps but honestly when the Quantum computers come out we will then start to make changes and find unimaginable cures thast make this stuff look like a joke! 360 is not inferior by any means and Sony faithfuls seem to have this constant i'm better than you are mentality which is just annoying as f%ck when both systems are so close to where we can all pretty much play the same games with equal visuals! There talking about F@H and you guy's keep on trying to justify your purchase but can't because there are no games to justify it with! Where does this hatred for 360 come from and why do some of you try to say anything to make it sound bad?

[nstott]

if they code folding@Home to take advantage of the gpus on pc's, ps3's, and 360's than they don't even need to bother with the cell.

[THAMMER1]

Is there any thing else we use for flame bate?

[Boink]

it's funny how fanboys are each spinning this in favour of their console.

"cause ps3 is so much more powerful"

"cause xbox was meant for games"

the creator of folding@home is just trying to call out MS with some creative reverse psychology to try and get them to do it. the systems are pretty equally powerful, and after seeing how much effect the ps3 has had his service, he's figuring 4-5 million 360's would help out too.

he's trying to get MS to "prove him wrong"

wake up people...

[THAMMER1]

I bet none of the flamers even read the article.

[Kastrol]

I wonder what Jack Thompson would say about this

"This Game is causing kids to kill" Stops someone whispers in his ear

Jack Looks Puzzled

Has a Revelation gamers acutally contribute to society, not all gamers actually play GTA

He then goes home to finally get a life realises he doesn't have one commits suicide

[Odion]

How many times are we going to have to hear about the freaking blue ray.

1. Oblivion looks better on PS3 because its a year older with better graphics

2. Rockstar said both had limitations, they knew very well before they started devloping GTA4 what the 360 had.

3. YES the PS3 is more powerful, but its not this monster with steps on the 360 and flies away on pure power alone. If we were to gauge it, it would be like 360 1.0 Power PS3 1.3 Power.

[TriggerHappy]

there brah, but don't you mean bluray ? :). This is not even about games, i fail to understand why many of you have turned this into which is a better gaming console. FANBOYISM WILL NOT BE TOlERATED.

[kewlkat007]

CG "Guess the 360 is only built for GAMING after all....ah well all the 360 owners will just have to continue gaming while the ps3 fans enjoy Folding@home."

as of right now NO!
Who knows how fast that thing shortens the life of the Ps3. Talk about CPU cycles and heat.

I rather be great GAMING, then FOLDING on a serious tip yall.

I'm out.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

i game constantly.
but when i don`t game i fold.
when i fold i`m on N4G.
you aren`t constantly playing games or you wouldn`t be on here.

i don`t know why you think ps3 owners aren`t playing games.

it`s just a weird comment to make.

[Firewire]

Who the crap cares about which is better suited for folding!
Who cares which one is faster at folding!
You guys completely missed the point, this is for a good
cause, if people with a 360 can help out in a large or small way
it better than nothing! This is about advancing our understanding
of deceases that one day might kill one of use, or one of our friends
or god forbid one of your relations.
Who ever suckered the scientist into this debate is an idiot!
The guy doesn't know crap about fanboy wars, so he wasn't
trying to insult the 360, this isn't PR crap here!
All of you saying I'm in it for gaming not folding! and all
the other bullcrap!
Grow up!

[kingboy]

well given the large number of 360`s already available in many homes, it wouldn`t be a bad idea if they contributed & if possible the Wii too :)lol

[kewlkat007]

start to come out I don't think people will be folding much. I would rather be gaming, instead of shortening the life of my console.

[SmokeyMcBear]

haha shortening the life of the console.. that is something you don't have to worry about the ps3. The 360 on the other hand, you have worry about shortening the life of the console every time you turn it on.

[omansteveo]

What the hell is F@lding Home?

[TriggerHappy]

unless ofcourse you are been sarcastic : http://www.n4g.com/PS3/game...

[Premonition]

First off, PS3 owners can play games, Folding @ home is an opition and not a forced program, get that straight for all the people who posted stupid comments such as "O well I guess my 360 will be gaming then, or o well I guess PS3 users will just sit there and watch their PS3 crunch numbers". Just stop it already and im pretty sure most you guys are under the ages of 18 making these nonsense comments up, and if your over 18 then grow up and stop turning everything into something negative. Every freaking time theres something putting down a console theres like 50+ comments, if the 360 cant handle folding@home, O well, you guys said it yourself you dont wanna fold you wanna play games right? am I right or am I missing the point here. If you wanna say "O well I guess PS3 users can just fold while I play GOW", well guess what We can save lives and play games on this system.

[kewlkat007]

-"is a distributed computing project designed to perform computationally intensive simulations of protein folding and other molecular dynamics simulations"

-"The goal of the project is "to understand protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases."

-"Accurate simulations of protein folding and misfolding enable the scientific community to better understand the development of many diseases, including Alzheimer's disease, BSE (mad cow disease), cancer, Huntington's Disease, Cystic Fibrosis and other aggregation related diseases.
"
-"The intent is that gamers be able to contribute to the project by merely "contributing electricity," leaving their PlayStation 3 consoles running the client while not playing games"

[Premonition]

Whats bad about that?

[omansteveo]

Due i swear the articles that get posted on this site by people are really ridiculous people post anything for leverage for they're favorite console. This isnt going to sell the console, this isnt going to be the primary reason people own one but it is an article about a ps3 advantage no matter how ridiculous it is no matter how irrelevant it is it gets posted on this web site...EX.Bluray..Beating HD-DVD. EX.Vista sales are down. EX.Guy Robs blobuster..etc..etc..Ridiculou s! Hey guess what before PS3 came out i bet the programs they were running ran on a certain MS operating system....Hey dont get me wrong im all for this but as far it being news worthy on this site, not-at-all.
Stick to game news.

[Merovee]

And Linux, and OSX

[MetalProxy]

Iam folding@home right now. Its not a game people so dont compair it to a one. I dont care that the 360 dosent get it, they dont care about other people.

[Dareaver1]

I have a 360 and would love to fold on it. I don't get why sony feels the need to be acknowledged that their console can fold. If a regular pc can fold than the 360 can fold better than a pc. So if this guy wanted to really help people, he would try to utilize all facets of technology. With a near 10 million user base, i don't see how he couldn't accept the contribution. It's stupid to have a console war on this issue. For all those that want to help, Do! But they shouldn't limit those that do want to help. And last time i checked, when they say gamers, it's not only Ps3 users.

We humans are a joke, we can't help each other unless there is a profit or a significant gain. Look at cancer, did yall know that Cannabis can help reduce and sometimes kill certain cancers and tumors. But since you can't patent an herb, and you can't make a substantial profit off of it since everyone can grow it. They make it illegal. And you don't have to smoke it to get all it's benefits. You can use a vaporizer, which eliminates most or all the toxins that would be taken in if you smoked it. Do you know how much chemotherapy costs, and radiology treatments. and how painful they are. yet something cheap and safe is not being utilized because they can't make a profit off of it.

When will we wake up and want to help each other, just for wanting to help each other. My god!

Below: i wasn't preaching to you about pot, just an informative dump on how or gov't and the fda work, for those that don't know. And i'm not a fanboy, but you can't listen to fanboys and expect to here something enlightening. I'm a gamer who sees the bigger picture with folding@home. The ones that say they don't care, probably don't. But that doesn't reflect the opinions of all 10 million 360 owners. But it does go the other way too, sony doesn't need folding@home for publicity, that is stupid. Like a previous gamer said, it's like giving to charity, and wanting recognition for it. To limit it to just pc's and ps3's is stupid. Even let the wii do some folding, everyone who wants to contribute should be able to contribute (i believe). Who cares if the ps3 is the fastest, the more people that join in the better, because we all win in the end.

[MetalProxy]

It seems like someone from the other side actually cares. Dont preach to me about pot, I support legalizing it. I read all sorts of comments on how the 360 people dont care so thats why I made the comment. I would like to beleive that you people would do it also (folding). And yes it is stupid that we need money in order to do anything.

[whengeeksgobad]

there is no doubt in my mind that the cell processor is a more powerful mathematical chip. Whether or not I will enjoy games more on it remains to be seen. The old Xbox had a more beefy chip than the ps2, and I enjoyed the ps2 much more in the long run.

[Ravenator529]

I too favored my PS2 over the XBox. But its amazing that the PS3 has yet to give me any reason to purchase one while I can't seem to live without my 360.

[Dreamworker]

i play games on my 360. If i need a break i maybe fold my laundry that's my 360 not able to do. After Folding my laundry i play online games again.

[Ravenator529]

Darn! My 360 won't be able to participate in "Folding at Home".

And just when I thought I bought a game console just for games!

How could M$ have been so thoughtless! I can't believe they didn't consider "Folding at Home" a possibility when they created the 360.

What were they thinking when they decided to create their next gen GAMING system!

I guess I should go and purchase a PS3 instead of participating in the "Race For The Cure" every year. The race seems kinda pointless now that a PS3 can do "Folding At Home"!

Look, its a nice thing that someone is using a PS3 in a creative way. But IMO, its just another reason that isn't convincing me to purchase a PS3.

[SmokeyMcBear]

I know huh..I can't eve believe M$ would even consider that I would leave the game console on for more than 5 hours withough crapping out on me... Darn those M$ for creating this game machine that I can't leave on or store wherever I want without having to worry about getting a new one.

[dalectrics]

Does every new item have to have the same comments again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again....

Bring on folding to the 360, it can't hurt.

[nstott]

Bad post

[nstott]

Sorry to hear that. I can sympathize with your statement more now that I know where you are coming from. I still don't agree that your situation is the norm. I would make a call to customer support and demand that your third one be a new unit and you would prefer that it be an Elite.

[Leathersoup]

So you pay a boat load of cash for a PS3 so that other people can use it? I understand the whole altruistic deal but really. Why does it matter to me whether my Xbox 360 had better use for other people than me?

[Shadow Flare]

If folding@home were available for the 360, i would like to see how many users sign up to it. I'm not trying to start anything, cos seriously the 360 is not known for its reliabilty and the machine is not designed to deal with heavy calculations like the ps3 is. I think the 360 owners who have had 360's crap out on them would never sign up and the rest would be very unsure about signing up to it in case it wrecked there machine. Folding@Home would be pushing the 360's processor to it's limits...i think alot of 360 users would not want that in case they woke up one morning staring a red ring in the face

Thats possibly why Stanford University decided to release folding@home on the ps3 and pc, not 360; because its so unreliable

And to clear it up, the processing power of the cell is very beneficial for gaming, folding@home is just a nice little side product to benefit medical research

[Dareaver1]

folding is not a graphic intensive program, it's all done on the cpu, which means it can be done in a powerdown form, so the consoles reliability would not be a concern. For those unfortunate with the bad consoles, that's just what it is unfortunate. I've had mine and played games of hours on end, and have then left it on until the sleep timer turned it off. I have a year warranty, and an extended warranty. Who's right is it to tell me i'm doing this because it's good for you. That's just stupid. I'm more worried about a disease that can potentially harm me or my family and friends, then my console bricking out. Let's look at the bigger picture.

[VirtualGamer]

Wow guys can you get any more out there with some of your comments?

First he never said the 360 could not do folding@home. He said this.

"After being asked if he thought the power of the 360 could be useful, he said: "Possibly, although the cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

Due to how the Cell is designed its better at doing these kind of calculations then the 360 cpu.

If your upset that the 360 is not being given a chance at folding please point your anger at MS. Remember it was Sony who approached the Folding@home project not the other way around. If you want the 360 to participate in this then MS is going to have to ask if it can be apart of it, not the Folding@home team going to MS.

I have also seen comments that the 360 CPU is better suited for gaming then the PS3 Cell. A CPU is basically just a giant calculator. The more powerful the CPU the more numbers it can crunch in a given time. The 360 CPU is more conventional to a PC cpu and thus is easier to program for then the PS3. Programing for the PS3 you have to think differently about how things are done. Once you figure this out the PS3 is capable of being just as effective if not more so then the 360.

Most developer interviews I have read have given the Cell the edge in power over the 360 cpu. The GPU is said to be better in the 360 then the PS3. That I would say has been established by most people at this time.

Both the 360 and the PS3 are able gaming systems. We can debate hardware specs all day but ultimately all one has to do is look at the games. It took a year after the 360 came out to get Gears of War. Lets see how good the games are for the PS3 after one year and then will have a better idea if any if one system is more powerful then the other.

[kewlkat007]

"If your upset that the 360 is not being given a chance at folding please point your anger at MS."

I don't think 360 fans are in anyway upset. We all know they bought their consoles to play VIDEO GAMES, so why get all worked up about this project? You are right the PS3's Cell is still a beast compared to the 360's but they bot are approached in a different manner. They can never really be compared like apples to apples.(Just ask developers)

Personally if you feel like you bought a $600+ console to strictly play awesome games, and can lend a hand at helping the world, there is no wrong in that.

On the other hand If you feel like you bought a console just to enjoy great gaming, it doesn't mean your some selfish gamer that doesn't give a hoot about helping out scientist cure something. It just means, you didn't waste all the money, to find out, folding at home is the best thing the console has going for itself as of now.

Of course Sony gamers seem to think just because the PS3 is good at folding, then its just superior and the best at gaming. no reason to boast about this since most gamers, that only wanna play games don't give a hoot.

On another note: I'm sure the PS3 is a power hogger, so leaving the PS3 on is only consuming electricity, and I know in some households, you wouldn't dare be wasteful, regardless of how your contributing. So for that reason alone, I wouldn't care much about folding. Stanford Univ has plenty of dough , if they wanted to, they can build a super computer with millions of Cell, and use it to their advantage while tapping their own power instead of users.

Nevertheless the project has a great cause, so fold away.

[Ravenator529]

The hostility isn't because 360 users want M$ to participate in "Folding at Home".

Its that the PS3 camps are pushing "Folding At Home" as this "look what we can do" feature. And in turn try to make the 360 look inferior.

In turn, the fanboys are out in full force because of how "Folding At Home" is presented.

Like I said, its a neat function that the PS3 can perform. But all in all it has absolutely nothing to do with games.

[VirtualGamer]

kewlkat007 - I don't think 360 fans are in anyway upset. We all know they bought their consoles to play VIDEO GAMES, so why get all worked up about this project?

Why would I get that impression?

Dareaver1 - 1.1 - I don't get some of you people!
Even if the 360 can't do folding as fast as a ps3, it can do it faster than a pc, so why not still offer it. I mean they are still allowing the program for pc users, why not offer it for 360 users. If he was really out to help people, he wouldn't make such stupid comments.

Dareaver1 37.1 - Retarded comment
I have a 360 and would love to fold on it. I don't get why sony feels the need to be acknowledged that their console can fold. If a regular pc can fold than the 360 can fold better than a pc. So if this guy wanted to really help people, he would try to utilize all facets of technology.

You then go on about if people just bought a console to game on and did not particapate in folding that this does not mean they are selfish. Funny I never said or suggested anything of the sort, so not sure why your even bring this up in response to my post?

kewlkat007 - Of course Sony gamers seem to think just because the PS3 is good at folding, then its just superior and the best at gaming. no reason to boast about this since most gamers, that only wanna play games don't give a hoot.

I agree some PS3 fans in this threat have taunted and made statements that the PS3 can do folding and that the 360 can't or as well and thus is the inferior system. I think that's wrong. However some 360 fans have suggested that the 360 is a better "gaming" system then the PS3.

Caldera -It's been said for years, people: 360 is more optimized for gaming, while PS3's Cell is really meant for straight-line computing. So of course Cell is better for Folding- that's what it was designed to do. And yes, they're TOTALLY different tasks. Saying the PS3 is better at Folding is like saying PS3's an excellent drag racer, while gaming requires a rally car whose top speed is much less important than its ability to handle quick turns and difficult roads.

As a result I stated that we should judge the system by the games they produce rather then battle it out on forums trying to show your chossen system is more powerful because of this or that. At the end of the day I stated they are both great gaming systems and the games will show what system is more powerful if at all.

Lastly you bring up the old "well your using power and that's wasteful no matter how great the project is". The hypocricy in that statement is amazing. So you feel people using power to play video games is fine but question if using it to fold is the best use of power.

[VirtualGamer]

Ravenator529 - 46.2 - Thats not the point.
The hostility isn't because 360 users want M$ to participate in "Folding at Home".

Its that the PS3 camps are pushing "Folding At Home" as this "look what we can do" feature. And in turn try to make the 360 look inferior.

In turn, the fanboys are out in full force because of how "Folding At Home" is presented.

VirtualGamer - Right and thus is why I said that the 360 is capable of doing Folding@home as some suggested it was not even capable of it. One person in this thread was upset that the 360 is not allowed to participate and blames the guy in the interview. <see my response above> so I was addressing that issue.

Ravenator529 -Like I said, its a neat function that the PS3 can perform. But all in all it has absolutely nothing to do with games.

I agree 100% with you. Thus why I said if your going to fight over which is the more powerful gaming system look at the quality of the games produced for each and not stuff like Folding@home or hardware specs because its all about the qualtiy of games. 360 is the leader at the moment with Gears of War showcasing what the 360 can do. It took a year after the release of the 360 for this game to come out and thus why I say lets compare it to the games coming out for the PS3 this Novemember to see if PS3 is capable of similar results.

[SimmoUK]

some of the xbox fans trying to spin this saying that 360 is just as powerful... he said...

""After being asked if he thought the power of the 360 could be useful, he said: "Possibly, although the cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

And again...

""After being asked if he thought the power of the 360 could be useful, he said: "Possibly, although the cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

The processor in PS3 is around twice as powerful as the one in xbox360, developers are working hard to translate this into games... well some are anyway ;)

[Dareaver1]

he didn't need to compare the 360 to the ps3, the simple question was can the 360 do it, and Possibly is a stupid answer, if a pc can do it then the 360 and wii can, the ps2 and xbox can, and any other internet connected device can. The more connected devices equals the more contributions to a great cause. Stop with the console wars for one second and see the bigger picture.

[VirtualGamer]

Possibly is not a stupid answer. The reason he said possibly is because a deal would have to be reached between MS and the folding@home project. Right now its not possible at all since MS has expressed no interest at this point in being involved.

He then goes on to state that even if it was it would not be as powerful as the PS3 Cell. Again remember he was asked if the power of the 360 could be useful? So qualifying how useful in the context of what the PS3 brings to the table is not out of order.

You also have to realize that the reason Sony approached the Folding @home team was because it was a way to show how powerful the PS3 cell is. MS is probably not interested at all because they don't want the 360 to be seen as second fiddle to the PS3 in anything.

[darx]

For what folding at home? Super LAME! I bought my 360 to play video games not to fold at home.

And even if my 360 could run 364 I still would never waste my time.

I say no more articles regarding folding@HOME. It's LAME!

[SmokeyMcBear]

ur just jealous... its all about "haha my console can do something your can't, na na na na na."

vvvvvvvv

Someone needs to get new panties, cuz yours are all wet.. its called a joke...stop being so serious.. its a gaming console.

[kewlkat007]

"ur just jealous... its all about "haha my console can do something your can't, na na na na na.""

How did N4G succumb to this?.....

[snoop_dizzle]

didn't i know this like a while ago?

I guess ill have to check it out when i get my PS3.

[MetalProxy]

Dosent look like anyone is going to change anyones mind here. It looks like the 360 gang has a computer, well then use your computer to fold. I see alot of "I do care but dont care" crap going on here.

[Average Gamer]

I actually read this "folding@home" thing (still have no idea what it is or why I need it) and was totally amazed about how some 80+ comments could be made simply about something probably 90% of GAMERS will probably never use. Before I get accused of taking sides, need I remind you that I only have a PS2 (I am considering buying a new console) and don't care much for PS3 or Xbox. Its just that GAMING consoles should focus mainly on gaming. So when a super-hot game is being made exclusively for one system, I'm predicting about 4000-5000 comments. Easily.

[Black Republican]

wow so many post!!!

If anyone knows anything about the PS3 Cell and the X360 processor, of course the PS3 can do this task better...

I don't know why this is even posted, it's a NO brainer.

[Average Gamer]

Only, can we really say that PS3's mighty proccessing power is useful for GAMING. That's all I personally care about

[XxZxX]

average gamer, you are too average. This thread is for hardcore gamer with a passion with console..

[Average Gamer]

really though, I'm gonna ask you (considering that you just described yourself as a hardcore gamer) do you really care about some folding@home crap or some GAMES, dude. Or maybe I should call you the "hardcore fanboy: who just wants bragging rights for something he'll never use"

[kewlkat007]

stay away from fanbaits bro...we all know folding has nothing to do with games. Ps3 gamers as of now, have not much to play, so I can see why they give this a try a a few hours a day, wasting electricity IMO.

just tell it, like it is bro.

[XxZxX]

not my fault if you can't read sarcasm.

[kewlkat007]

had a serious question, and somehow I didn't think you were of any help.

[Average Gamer]

Done man! Shouldn't be wasting my bubbles anyway. The funny thing is that I don't care too much for xobx this or PS that. I was just stating that games should be the main focus, but apparently I'm not "hardcore" enought to understand the value of "Home".
Thanks kewlkat007.

[whengeeksgobad]

I think the big problem here (as already stated) is the way this whole folding@home situation has been spun into something else - by both 360 and sony fanboys. I think its awesome that ps3 users have the ability (should they choose) to run this software. It's already obvious the great benefit the ps3 offers stanford and ultimately all of us in terms of its ability to devour the f@h work units.

But what users decide to do with their consoles when they are not using it, does not a console make. On the flipside however, I know many people that built a PC for gaming and run F@H while not using it. To suggest that "I bought my 360 for games" is a little redundant. I highly doubt anyone bought their ps3 to run f@h. At any rate, I think it's cool the ps3 is so efficient at f@h and I think its great sony worked something out.

[JIN KAZAMA]

we bought OUR CONSOLE to PLAY GAMES, we bought a GAMING CONSOLE and bash on the PS3 because it can play Blu-Ray movies. But then they have the NERVE to get all excited about IPTV, Being able to stream music through their 360, and mybe Dload HD Movies. What a bunch of hypoctrites. Also, i wonder how many people actually bought the CORE SYSTEM, I bet that MS will soon discontinue the core system, i dont know who would pick that up. So please, stop saying, "WE BOUGHT IT FOR GAMES" when you know DAMN well, that thats not the only reason why you bought it.
I cant wait to hear the xbox fanboys try to justify their ridiculous statements.

[TheMART]

Sony droids here is something to bite on:

You have fun folding @ home

When 360 users are able to play the best games @ home

Deal?

[genericname]

but of course if the article said that the 360 was better at Folding than the PS3, you'd be all like "See, the 360 is soooo much better, blah blah blah"

[naturalgamer]

stop this .... forever. no one will change his mind because of you - trust me. it's all for nothing. keep playing your 360 and stop bashing other peoples console of choice.

[ericbs]

I mean, even if it isnt as fast as the ps3 doing certain calculations, why not use an extra resource to help cure diseases? Think of it this way: Would a charity exclude a certain area because they think that they won't donate alot of money or will they use the money that they get to help their cause? Please think before flaming.

[timmyp53]

so many posts

[ReconHope]

some you guys are acting extremely stupid. Why are ppl even arguing over this. Folding@Home on the xbox360 just makes the process faster. Once again get a life.

and oh yeah Jason xg1:
"You’re telling people to "get a life" while posting on the same site as the people your telling to "get a life"?
Hyyyypooocriiite"

What next you gonna tell us we shouldn’t game or that its bad for us? I know what you can do call us all nerds or we can all buy bb guns and shoot our eyes out.

You are a sad loser. How old are you buddy?

[ApocalypseShadow]

if it was just about the games,then 360 gamers,would have just bought "core systems."

but you obviously wanted more.

ps3 gamers get games,bluray,backwards compatability,web browsing,etc.,AND the option to help humanity by folding home.

should 360 gamers get folding home?sure.would they actually use it and help out is the question when your NOT GAMING.no one games 24/7.

[tomfoolery]

It's overflowing with Sonytards.Why?
I know why......it's because 360 and Wii owners are busy playing their
systems with GAMES,while you jokers and dorks sit in here just waiting
to disagree about anything not pertaining to or in disfavor of the PS3.
Pathetic teen-agers you are.Entertaining too!

[kornbeaner]

If your so busy Playing your games why are you here disagreeing with PS3 fans? Am at work waiting for work whats your excuse. Tired of playing those weak ass shooters on your system? Or is it that you system got the red ring of death and your waiting for repairs? Or is your system to hot to read the disc so you have to let it cool down for awhile????

[dodgefate]

wow, reading these comments last few week you learn this site is full of
xbox fans oh well.

[paracardium]

and the xbots defend the their system even after taking it back 2 or 3 or even 4 times but yet its the best lol. PS3 is superior hardware and reliable facts are facts boys.

[snoop_dizzle]

man i was just playing GRAW 2 for my xbox 36... oh wait never mind. Nothing important is happening here, i might as well go back to playing it, or study for my psychology final. But i think ill go back to my game.

Have fun you guys, xbots and ps3.....ers? I don't know what to call you.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Um, you cwn try and make up all the bs you want but I have a few questions for you. If the 360 is full of weak ass shooterso why is the attatch rate for games on 360(5 games plus per console) much higher than ps3s? Also if the 360 has weak ass shooters than you ps3 has garbage for shooters considering EVERY multiplatform shooter looks and plays better on 360?

And paracardium, yes the ps3 has superior hardware for helping with medical research which is excellent in my opinion by the way but its not superior for games but honestly I couldnt care less if they dont want to use the 360 for research. As long as the AAA titles continue to come for the 360 I'm fine.

You sony fanboys stay on this site all day talking about the superiority of the ps3 but you know good and well the games dont show it.

[Lord Anubis]

that's interesting, the PS3 games don't show it?. I wonder because a lot of people were comparing PS3 launch titles to second wave 360 games.

[kornbeaner]

It's not BS, but hype and sales show that the Xbox crowd tend to be shooter fans and not much else.

As far as I know games for the 360 that have meet with good sales and are being hyped up are Shooters. COD2 (good game), Gears of war (good game),
Mass Effect (hyped) what is it a shooter action RPG type game, Lost Planet, Alan Wake, I've seen xbox fans talking about this one. and of course HALO 3. Now I know that there are more games that are gonna be released that these have been the best selling and most hyped games.

Now if we look at what has sold and gotten hyped for the PS3 it a much more diverse group. Yeah sold is pretty much pitiful, Resistance and Motorstorm have done really well and for a system 4 1/2 months old it's done okay with other Multi-platform games as well. As far as hype goes Motorstorm was hyped before release, Heavenly sword, Lair, MGS4, HOME, Little big planet, even Folding is hyped for what it does on the system.

There is a more diverse product hype for the PS3 then there seems to be on the 360 but that is only my observation.

Of course were gonna agree to disagree but that just the way it is.

The one thing as of right now I will agree games have been to far apart, but Resistance and Motorstorm did not disappoint, and the multi-platform games are just as fun in the PS3 as there are on the 360 so I have more then enough fun on my system. I'm just on here(N4G) when I'm at work.

[ITR]

Ummmmm....
dam arguing over folding now...

Who cares? I mean really?

[Lord Anubis]

the xbox 360 can fold, but its not practical. very simple.

[WilliamRLBaker]

where? because last time i checked, when you we're trying to cure aids, cancer...ect Practical didn't matter, There are 10 million xbox 360s out there and all the computing power is needed.

[ElementX]

We're trying to find cures to illnesses that can be avoided if only we changed our lifestyles. People get sick because of things they put into their bodies. No i'm not a f'ing hippie trying to preach. It's just modern life puts a lot of sh!t into our bodies which contribute to these high cancer rates and other illnesses.

We should fight the causes, not just find a cure. All this extra wasted energy we're using folding@home is contributing to more pollutants in the air (in most cases, except for hydro, solar, and wind energy) which make us get sick anyway.

[OneBubbleBastard]

It gets proven over and over.. 360 is a crappy system..

[tethered]

Play games.
Help when you can.

If you don't like what your system can do then get the other.

If you are happy then good, all is well.

[kevin]

stop calling it the 360 its the 180 remember, the 360 is comming out in 2010

[ElementX]

Does anyone really care about this? I mean, just because the PS3 does Folding well doesn't mean the 360 has to try and compete. This is just a flame bait article.

[Maddens Raiders]

Agree all the way. Incredible.

[BitbyDeath]

my grandma can handle folding at home why can't the 360

[Merovee]

For real, He said it wouldn't be nearly as useful as PS3 is, not that it can't.

Let me go on record here saying although I love some of the games I HATE 360 (personal issues between me and my former 360 NOT because I'm a Fanboy) and I love my PS3 immensely.

But ya'll need to SHUT UP! If MS were to offer it's assistance to Stanford, Vijay would jump on it. They want every bit of power to expedite the research that they can get, if you honestly read this as anything BUT a challenge to MS to join the fold then your simply dumb. Even with as many XBOTS as there is in the world that would try to say "It's because the "Box" is for pure Gaming power not math" due to sheer stupidity, many are gamers who simply prefer the 360 over the PS3, and don't intend to buy both okay? Deal! And I'm sure many of them would support F@H just as much as any other gamers.

How is it possible that you can try to turn EVERYTHING said in to a point of pride for yourself anyway? YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! You proved SQUAT! I, even despite my positions on XBOX, would seriously welcome 360 gamers to join "the fold" If and when it becomes available.

And to those on both side bickering like 3 year old girls about who's doll is prettier: None of you are "Holier Then Thou", your just "More Pathetic Than Most". When you grow up, I hope you have the sensibility to realize how friggin' SAD your youth really was.

[naturalgamer]

... to start the flame wars

[Giro]

Whilst I do have a lot of respect for this whole Folding at Home idea.

But aren't we supposed to be trying to save energy. Surely if hundreds of thousands of power hungry PS3s are left on and Folding for an extra 8 or so hours a day then that would consume a ridiculous amount of electricity.

It would have been better to have created the F@H to work in the background whilst a game or a movie is being played, but as it uses quite a lot of processing power to F@H I expect that its not possible to do yet.

Perhaps all those PS3 owners who enjoy boasting about how their console can fold whilst the 360 doesn't have the facility to, maybe you should have purchased a 360 or a Wii and then given the remainder of the money you saved on that to charity. That way you're saving energy, getting a great console which has loads of great games out for it and you're contributing to a good cause, everyones a winner :) .

[anh_duong]

as a ps3 owner i totally agree with the first part of the above statement.. i actually think global warming is a bigger issue than cancer or other diseases (apologies for sound so harsh but i just think global warming is a bigger issue - i am not saying that cancer isn't a big issue). hence i personally do not recommend using a ps3 for folding.. if folding works in-game then i am okay about it but using the ps3 purely for folding is very damaging to the environment.. similarly when i use folding for a pc i only use it when i am using the pc for other things - that way energy is used more effectively..

[Merovee]

You can contact your Power company/ municipality and purchase your power through a renewable resource innitiative for a couple pennies more a Kw/H and not worry about it.

OR as the PS3 tends to use about 180w to 200w of power you could also shut off 3 lights and save the same power.

OR you could switch all your lightbulbs to CFL and save alot more power than keeping your PS3 off.

OR You could do all 3 of the above, save yourself some cash and use some of it to let the PS3 fold and contribute to both a cleaner environment and a healthier (physically anyway) society.

[anh_duong]

"OR as the PS3 tends to use about 180w to 200w of power you could also shut off 3 lights and save the same power.

OR you could switch all your lightbulbs to CFL and save alot more power than keeping your PS3 off. "

i actually thought about this and then realized shouldn't you do this anyway?? folding@home shouldn't inspire you to do this. if you can save energy save energy - you shouldn't replace one energy usage with another if the disbenefits (global warming) can be worse than the benefits (learning about protein folding).

as for contracting out to renewable energy then sure that's a good idea. but not sure many people are willing to go for this option.

anyway, my point is: folding@home should be made to work in the background even if it is less effective. there are no reasons why folding@home shouldn't continue to work if i am watching movies/browing home or playing games that aren't resource intensive (ps1 games). in my opinion, it is better to not use a ps3 just for folding.

[Fanboys are gay]

77.1 i totally agree it isnt worth the resources running a program for hours on end , even when there is no evidence that the information gained will ever be of any use. and once again who ever runs the site has posted a flame topic as the first one, fanboys not only are you making yourselfs look stupid but your making the guys that run this flame site rich

[Merovee]

What evidence is there that a drug will work? That a surgury is possible? That any medical practice ever used would be reliable? That computers of theory would one day work? That the wright brothers would make a machine that flew? That sending human beings to space would benefit humanity? What evidence is there to support any research of the past. If the world took your approach to life we would all still be in caves. If you don't seek knowledge you gain no insight and make no progress.

[tethered]

""77.1 i totally agree it isn't worth the resources running a program for hours on end , even when there is no evidence that the information gained will ever be of any use.""

I lost my father to pancreatic cancer. I will gladly take up energy for the chance that this will help.

Its an ugly, ugly disease that I hope you never have to see a loved one go through. (or have to experience yourself)

That is why I am willing to spend the extra money on the research.

[solidt12]

I wouldn't use the folding program on my 360. It gets to hot. I usually don't play it for over four hours at a time so why would i leave it on all night. My thermostat sits on the wall that my xbox360 sits against and when i turn on my system the thermostat gives about a 7 degrees more reading and makes my A/C come on after about 5-10 minutes. No lie, try it yourself. Note the Thermostat is at least 5-8 feet away also.

[VirtualGamer]

I just find these types of arguements to be silly. Global Warming! Global Warming! How dare anyone use power to help reseach cancer and other diseases! Do they not realize what they are doing?

Funny you don't seem to have a problem with people using power to play Video games, watching TV, or watching movies. How about those big bad surround sound system? Seems if your using power for a luxury like entertainment that's ok but boy use power to help find a cure for cancer well that's just silly.

The idea you take the money you save in power and donate that to charity works better is also rediculus. So we give the money to Stanford and what are they going to do with it? Buy super computers and power those to do the same thing they are already doing now so again how is that helping the enviroment? It also would be less effective because a large portion of the money would have to go into the purchase of equipment rather then just the power to do the work.

If your going to advocate reducing power consumption to help out the enviroment then I would first recommend reducing or eliminating the luxury items people use power for instead of things that actually are being used to find cures to cancer. Want to have an even great impact? Stop driving that car you get around in. There are so many thing we can do to reduce the effects on the environment before cutting things that actually might benefit humanity in the long run. Please get your priorities straight!

BTW I am still not 100% convinced that Global warming is man made either.

http://www.canada.com/natio...

http://www.globalresearch.c...

[anh_duong]

i am not saying folding is bad - i am saying that using energy keeping the ps3 running all night might not be as beneficial as you think since you are using energy.. doing one good cause under the premise that it can cure diseases at the detriment of another good cause can be counterpoductive.. don't compare this to playing computer games because we all know that this is not a charitable activity so we are under no illusions that we are doing good.. folding on the hand is supposedly using the ps3 as a tool for good but it might not be since it has a direct impact on the environment.. this is the big difference

[VirtualGamer]

anh_duong - i am not saying folding is bad

Really and here I though you said that you feel global warming is a bigger issue then cancer and thus recommend people not use their PS3 for folding.

anh_duong - "as a ps3 owner i totally agree with the first part of the above statement.. i actually think global warming is a bigger issue than cancer or other diseases (apologies for sound so harsh but i just think global warming is a bigger issue - i am not saying that cancer isn't a big issue). hence i personally do not recommend using a ps3 for folding.."

Let me ask you a question? How many people have died to cancer? How many lives have been ruined because of it and other disease? How many more will continue to die if a cure is not found? No one disputes cancer is real. No one disputes cancer kills. No one with a brain in their head would suggest working for a cure is a waste or potentially damaging to the environment and thus should not happen.

Now how many people have died to global warming? How many will in the future? Scientist dispute the cause of global warming, Scientist dispute the effects of global warming. But hey lets not do something to help cure cancer because you know it "might" have greater effects on the environment then finding a cure for cancer would solve. Mean while please continue to use your electronic entertainment devices for entertainment purposes because at least you are not under the illusion that what you are doing is good. Your logic astounds me and terrifies me to be totally honest.

[anh_duong]

yes i do think global warming is a bigger issue than cancer.. really, i don't want to be the merchant of doom nor a guy who stands on street corner with a placard : the end is nigh... i know you might not believe in the threat of the global warming and i respect that but at least in this respect the united ntions agree with me. the un declares it as of the greatest threat facing humanity . okay the united nations might be wrong too but at least i am not the only person with this so called "astounding view".

ironically, in a way, i wish i was wrong and my beliefs are rubbish. and i wish i was proved the fool here and you are right all along.

we are going way off topic here and way too serious for a forum like this.. i won't go on with this dialogue anymore - it's just going to go on and on.. so to summarise: i just don't believe in people saying you have got to use your ps3 to fold.. all these people telling me i have got to fold to cure diseases.. i rather save energy than keep my ps3 on all night.

ps: i didn't say folding is bad since i always said you should use it when you are doing something else on the pc at the same time

[whengeeksgobad]

I think we have a few people sitting a little too close to the fire.

I'm a little confused as how any who claims to be helping cure disease and global warming find it so easy to talk down to others as opposed to educating them on what they can be doing to help. If you care that much about the causes you are assisting, let us know what we can do to assist as you all seem so passionate. I sincerely hope that all those who are so proud of their f@h accomplishments are running it on the same PC they are using to flame strangers on the internet. This whole thread (with the exception of people who are attempting to apply logic to this increasingly crazy conversation - you know who you are) is spiraling into a sad monkey turd fight.

[anh_duong]

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[kevin]

you ugly anh duong

[Somethnnew18]

That they wanted the 360's they create to be accesible to other companies across the world so that they can access the processing power of our machines while not in use!....SO WHY DOES THIS MEAN ANYTHING?

[jack who]

but my 360 plays games

[cmrbe]

Only games.

[xbollox]

you know what kinda calculations they do for folding@home?

a lot of math, physics, signal analysis and processing: basically stuff that's way too hard for your average lousy game programmer but not for the really good ones.

how funny: next gen game programming is all about math, physics, signal analysis and processing.

oh gee... who's got the longest legs now?

lololol

[Dead_Cell]

You can just feel the raw fanboyism and hate seeping from an article when the open zone is rated at 157 comments.

[theEnemy]

At first I thought I was in the Open Zone because of the number of post here in the Gamer Zone.

But hey, atleast they know where to post their sh1t right ? hehe..

[BLuKhaos]

Actually that's because when this article was first posted N4G didn't have separate comment sections.

[Pootangpie]

and it's all thanks to sony's stupid propganda so thanks a lot sony not only have you plowed you own country into the ground with you mumbo jumbo spaz but you also made me hate a once great country thanks a lot Ignorant ****ers

[BLuKhaos]

lol what happened, M$ stopped using lube?Typical mongoloid xbot.

[deshon09]

TALK ABOUT STUPIDITY you must be the poster boy

[raztad]

Hey, WTF?

150+ comments on the openzone, 9 comments on gamer's?

I cant imagine the flamewar going on over there. So funny.

Folding is just a cpu intensive task, no point to argue what console has the lead. Other thing is 360's reliability problems, fold process take time and stress the console, probably it will result in 360 overheating, so lets forget about this and return to your games guys.

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I thought this was actually new when I realized it was over two years old.