David Cage: Heavy Rain cannot run on 360

NowGamer: Heavy Rain director David Cage has said that his upcoming PS3-exclusive would not be able to run on Microsoft's console.

[Lfmesquite]

From the demonstration, it looks pretty damn impressive. But I'm a little surprised David Cage said that, he's usually not one to get involved in console disputes. He just focuses on making a great game.

I don't think of Heavy Rain as being another Killzone 2, and starting a damn fanboy war on N4G.

That's all I'm saying.

[lloyd_wonder]

I agree. The fanboy stuff needs to stop. It'll mostly be people who are already uninterested in the game fighting over it. Sad....

Nobody *here* can speak on whether or not Heavy Rain can or cannot run on the 360. It's just useless back and forth bickering.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

but that being said, These types of comments have been coming from a lot of different developers lately. there havent been a single ps3 first party exclusive made since the first Uncharted, tought to be possible on the 360, without ignificantly sacrificing key aspects. for example: Uncharted, MGS4, Infamous, MAG, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, MLB09 the Show, LBP, GT5P, Ridge Racer, Lair, FFXIII & VS (third party) but there's definitely a trend thouh, and the devs themselves acknowledge it. thats all

[ShabzS]

dude... very well said... blubbles for that sensible comment

[Shadow Flare]

Xbox 360 can't run killzone 2, it can't run uncharted 2, it can't run GOW 3, it can't run gran turismo 5, it can't even run the amount of grass in Flower, how the hell is it supposed to run heavy rain?

[Hellsvacancy]

I done really care which console it can/cant run on as long as it runs on MY Ps3 thats all im interested in

I really am lookin 4ward 2 gettin Heavy Rain that Hitman V and Final Fantasy Versus - its the best time ever 2 b a gamer

[lloyd_wonder]

I agree that the PS3 does demonstrate more power than the 360.

"Nobody *here* can speak on whether or not Heavy Rain can or cannot run on the 360. It's just useless back and forth bickering."

It is just useless back and forth bickering. David Cage says it can't run. End of... :)

I also do find it funny that people who are already uninterested in the game are arguing about it. lmao. the insecure bunch....

[Agent VX]

Bahahaha!!! What a "FlameBait" article this is. I heard this same crap when they said that the PS3 couldn't handle the A.I. routines in Assassins Creed.

Of course there are no examples of what he talks about, just a general comment that blankets everything.

This article "Fails" miserably to trash the 360. Please, keep the Fanboy articles out.

The only thing this article does is try and advertise a game that doesn't have much potential for good success. Heavy Rain looks average at best with good graphics, but obviously they believe they need a unfounded controversy to help sell copies. Typical business propaganda, that's all.

[Kushan]

It's also worth keeping in mind that saying "can't run it" doesn't necessarily mean the console isn't powerful enough or something. If the engine has been designed from the ground up to use the PS3's SPUs, there's a very good chance that it wont easily port to the 360 from a purely technical point of view. It could possibly run the game with the same results, but require an entirely new engine design. It's akin to saying a diesel car wont run on Petrol. Does that make the car inferior? Well, no, because a petrol car wont run on diesel either, or at least it wont unless you rebuild half of the engine.

Now I'm not saying this IS the case and I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying that 99% of the time, these quotes are taken wildly out of context, so don't jump to conclusions so fast.

[Immortal Kaim]

Heavy Rain looks amazing, plus the content is supposed to be aimed at the mature, intelligent gamer.

No point FelinePornographer commenting on Heavy Rain articles anyway, as stated above "aimed at the mature, intelligent gamer". :)

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

And again just total hatred towards the 360. Why? PorcelainGod you speak like Microsoft killed your mother. Dude, why are you so angry? Why do you care so much? If the ps3 is so good than you should be happy but it seems that you are pretty pissed. It seems that these useless articles is what you need to enjoy your ps3. Why can't sony fans just enjoy their console without being so mad at the 360?

[Game13a13y]

lol, we all know Xbox360 is pretty much maxed out already, look at the differences between GeOW 1 and 2. then look at the differences between Resistance 1 and 2, and Uncharted 1 and 2. the PS 3 has so much more mileage to go for years to come.

[hay]

@PorcelainGod: I wouldn't compare Xbox360 to Dreamcast as a console itself but defense force uses the same arguments though. Mentality is really similar here.

[SuperM]

Lets just make on thing very clear here. Quantic Dream could have made this game on 360 if they wanted to. I think it even originally was meant for both platforms. But they didnt. Because they thought the ps3 was the best and most powerful platform to work on.

When Quantic Dream says a game couldnt run on platform X, then its not a first party developer saying it because they are owned by Sony. Its the words of an independent Studio that chose Sony because they had the better platform.

Also Agent VX, its so pathetic of you trying to bash this game just because it isnt your average action title. It seems like some people rate games based on what genres they are from. Since Heavy Rain is an adventure title, i guess that instantly makes it an "average" game, right? No footage has even been shown from the actual game yet. Some people need to grow up and realise that there are more genres then just shooters, action games and RPGs. Heavy Rain is one of few games that try to push the limits of gaming, its an emotional game and its first and foremost for adults. Im not the least bit surprised that bloodhungry american teenagers arent interested in this game, but that says more about your/their immaturity then it says about the game.

[BYE]

"I don't think of Heavy Rain as being another Killzone 2"

Hopefully not, Killzone 2 was dissapointing.

[TheExecutive]

whether or not it can the most important thing for gamers to consider is this: IT WON'T. Personally, I couldn't care less if it can or not. I can't wait for the next Indigo Prophecy. I love these types of games and cannot wait for this game to hit the shelves. The PS3 has a great lineup this year.

Hopefully MS brings out the big guns at E3.

[sunnygrg]

Time and again, we hear PS3 devs saying that a certain exclusive game cannot run on the 360. Countless 360 fanboys come to the defense calling BS. However, I have never heard such talks of 360 exclusive game devs saying that their game cannot run on the PS3. Makes you wonder sometimes.

[Max Power]

i agree with your statement except "No footage has even been shown from the actual game yet." because they did show actual game footage, and here it is... http://www.gametrailers.com...

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"Nobody *here* can speak on whether or not Heavy Rain can or cannot run on the 360. It's just useless back and forth bickering. "

Uh, yes we can. We can speculate with evidence. The first evidence would be the fact that most developers have praised the amount of horsepower the PS3 has inside. But this is not the point, let's assume that graphically, 360 can run Heavy Rain.

However, not everything is about graphics. Xbox fanboys love to downplay the utility of Blu-ray (or the usefulness of a relatively big HDD in every box), but plenty of developers have spoken their minds, including Epic's Mark Rein, in that Blu-ray can open up your horizons, especially as far as open world games go.

Heavy Rain may not be open world, but it's not linear either. The way Cage has spoken about it, it seems that the possibilities for this game are "endless", i.e. considering there is no game over, the storyline just keeps branching through as many paths as is possible. That wouldn't be possible without a 50GB Blu-ray, in fact that 50GB blu-ray may not be enough but it's the best that's available.

A game like that has to constantly be streaming, and using DVD9 for such kind of game would require a completely different game, or an experience that goes against usability. So Blu-ray is not only important for Open World games, fighting games, sports games (including racing games), and so on and so forth, Heavy Rain will probably breed a new genre (if it succeeds) of non-linear games that aren't open either, but rather, they have the structure of a tree in terms of how it plays or can be played (and of course, that would make the game have a ton of replay value).

[ultimolu]

Why can't 360 fanboys enjoy their console without talking down the PS3?

Why can't they stop hating Sony and taking things so seriously on this site? Why can't they play games instead of creating different accounts just to debubble/insult/harrass/disagr ee with someone instead of being man enough to disagree with the person up front?

If 360 fanboys would stop hating on the PS3 for once in their lives, then maybe the gaming industry would be a better place. But it will never stop. From since 2007 I've heard 'The PS3 has no games!' or 'It's graphically inferior to the 360' just because multiplatform games looked better on the 360 at the time. I kept hearing that same crap over and over again from 360 fanboys. Then when a PS3 exclusive came out, they would sign it off as just an overhyped game.

Am I wrong?

But of course the cowards on this site will just hide behind disagrees and not prove me wrong.

And another thing, David Cage said he didn't *think* his game could run on the 360 because they're using all of the PS3's SPU's. That title is misleading.

[FlameBaitGod]

lol ultimolo, so true and so sad at the same time. 360 fanboys can only defend them selfs with sales anyways.

[dude_uk]

mate i've no idea where you have been...

but that's not *actual* game footage.. it was real time and all...
but it was just a show case of what the game is going to be like...

*THAT* demo has nothing to do with the actual game except its engine...
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and ultimolu said something sooo true... 360 fanboys need to stop being insecure and coming into the PS3 thread to bash on the PS3 to make them feel better about their console..jeez

[Agent VX]

Bahahaha SuperM.....

Do you need a tissue or a hug???

Wow, with all that horrible attempts at being a "Intellectual Scholar" with the unneeded rhetoric of FPS, RPG's and Actions games being mindless drone titles, and that some attempt at "emotional gaming" as you would put it, as intellectually stimulating and superior is "Lame" at best.

Then you go on and personally attack me when you know nothing about me, ROTFLOL.... Typical "liberal" hatred and arrogance. It sounds to me your about 12 yrs old, at least mentally that is.

Your whole rant fails to boost the lackluster gaming aspects of Heavy Rain. And until this company puts forth more information, instead of hiding the fact, this game looks marginally interesting at best.

Nice try though.

[DarthTigra]

@ Agent VX: Dude you must have been playing heavy rain for a long time considering you said it was lackluster. I mean lets take the word over some random dude on the internet over the words of the biggest gaming website in the world http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

"My descriptions can't properly convey how atmospheric and emotional Heavy Rain (Origami Killer) was. This is a game you need to experience yourself. Sure, at its roots it's just an adventure game, but its execution is brilliant so far. Cage ended the demonstration by noting that there will be around sixty scenes like that to play through and no matter what happened, there would never be a game over. Even having a character die, the story would continue on and be influenced by your actions."

"Heavy Rain will be exclusive to the PS3 and I can't wait to play it from start to finish. The designers of Quantic Dream might have an emotional masterpiece on their hands."

Lets not even belive what 1up said http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

"Yet with little more than a promise of "themes never used in games before," I find myself as excited for the game as I have been for any in recent memory, and the majority of that comes from the similarities to Indigo Prophecy. That game wasn't without its faults, but conceptually, it was incredibly refreshing, and it's rare to see a game that experimental with a significant budget behind it, which added up to one of the most memorable games I've ever played. And now to see that approach evolve, with some of the best graphics in the industry, makes Heavy Rain hard not to like."

"I'm not sure if my excitement comes from Quantic Dream's talent, or because they are the only ones attempting games of this sort, but there's something important worth paying attention to here. "

Yep random dude over the internet>two of the biggest gaming sources out there.

[mooks1]

can anyone show me an x360 game that rivals KZ2, UNCHARTED 2, HEAVY RAIN?

Nope not a possibility.

perhaps x720 will have something as impressive as those 3

[GameGambits]

I own all 3 consoles and I can safely say I don't give 2 craps about Heavy Rain. I may be in a boat by myself here but I thought Indigo Prophecy/Farenheit was a piece of trash. I could spend hours telling you how terrible that so called "game" is.

Short List:
1)Only 3. Count them 3 <- That's a number higher than 2, lower than 4 for the handicapped. There is only 3 different things you do in this game. It's either a game of Simon Says, L and R trigger pulls, or hitting the right stick in a direction. That is NOT a game.
2) Extremely short. 7 hours. Needed to be a LOT longer so the story actually felt fleshed out.
3) Pointless nudity and sex for the sake of pointless nudity and sex.
4) Terrible love story. In a matter of 12 seconds the lead girl falls for a dead guy she's been hunting for months as to be a killer and falls in love with him. WOW.
5) Pointless characters. Tyler, a lead character in the game. Is 100% pointless in every aspect. Even Jade the Indigo child had 1 line in the game, and the game really revolved around her, yet she felt 100% unimportant and a mute role in the games story.
6) The final "boss" is so stupid I can't believe it. The guys who are waiting 2000+ years for a special kid who run like all of the world send 4 guys. 1 bad dude 3 snipers to stop the lead character. Good going there Orange and Purple clan.

I could go on, but this was a 100% crap game. The 1 thing I liked was if you got a gameover it'd summarize it as if the whole story stopped there with the narrators voice. Nice feature, but that's about it.

So why am I supposed to be excited for Heavy Rain which from what we've seen is just another game of stupid quick time events probably boggled down by being a short and uninteresting story? David Cage needs to make his own stuff up and stop ripping off The Matrix in his games.

[N4g_null]

This is getting annoying and I feel like more people will leave gaming once the truth comes out. The truth is you only have enough money to code for one system in most cases. It's really that simple. I don't remember any thing at GDC talking about why the 360 can not do PS3 games. I don't remember any significant advantages out lined for the PS3 tech ethier, just different ways of doing the same things.

The one thing that puzzles me is these guys never say what was not actually possible on the 360. At least the killzone 2 guy out lined what they did do differently on the PS3. The funny thing is differed rendering is possible on the 360.

I'm suspecting the difference to be a frame or two difference which is the case when the 360 does beat the PS3 power wise.

The funny thing is no one says that wii sports is possible on their system, because maybe it's not. That just goes to show how these guys sound more like nascar fans rather than game developers.

It really is crazy how people get excited over stuff that only exist on a closed system and then try and compare it to another closed system. Seriously the fanboy hype is junking up the gaming news. Leave this stuff to tweeter or IM really. It's really getting lame and predictable. More talented people will leave gaming to do movie work or PC games because of the lack of respect for it's fans.

[thewhoopimen]

well i have one theory in question... and though it may be flawed, it to me has been an indication of a technical gap between the 360 titles and ps3 titles. Perhaps this is more to do with game budgets or what not, but I think the biggest difference that I have noticed between the two consoles is the amount of "realtime" in-game (not cutscene but real time gameplay) Motion capture and animation blending that many ps3 titles share these days that the 360 does not.

The only title i can think of with mocap on the 360 end is gta4 and assassin's (questionable given some of the attack movements seem hand-animated). geow,geow2, l4d, ME, Fable, Fable2, Halo 3, even lost and dammned are not mocap but animated.

[indysurfn]

Look at the block y trees terrible polygon count. Look at the children, terrible blocky polygon count. Only thing that has nice textures is the female. Hello, no one was going to NOT know this is actual gameplay footage. DUH

Why would this game not run on xbox? One of Microsofts extra cpus threads can outperform all of Sony's Spu's! This game is not even average on the graphics. And of course Sony will say there game can't run on the xbox360 hello. They are arrogant, it is their style. It is a Sony game you know.

[Ashriel]

@ultimolu

pfff, anyone could say the same from PS3 fanboys, just take your statement and switch "PS3" with "360". This sh*t is coming from both sides, most of this comments are proof of my saying.

[thewhoopimen]

I hope that was a sarcastic remark because its a pretty foolish thing to say literally. You think IBM would spend millions of dollars to develop a new generation chip only to have their budget eco-friendly powerpc750 chip outperform it? Tell me where does that make sense in the grand scheme of things. If the powerpc750 was that much more powerful.. why not just use it for "media threaded video streaming" that some flamebaiters keep calling the cell?

[shawnsl65]

I'm going to assume that half of you didn't read the article before commenting. I'll post some quotes from the source.

"I think to do the visuals, and all the stuff we’re doing would be too difficult [on the 360]. There are amazing physics there, and stuff with crowds that you just couldn’t really get."

"I think this game can only be done on Playstation 3," he said. "We used all the SPUs.

Keyword: All SPUs, PHYSICS, VISUALS.

[ukilnme]

@ dude_uk

"and ultimolu said something sooo true... 360 fanboys need to stop being insecure and coming into the PS3 thread to bash on the PS3 to make them feel better about their console..jeez"

Hmmm...that's the pot calling the kettle black right there. We all know how that works though.

[GCNSeanFoster]

I swear every 2 days I see a "can't run on Xbox360" article on here...

[ThanatosDMC]

But Ultimulo actually said the truth. Which console came out a year early and had a years supply of games? Then which console came out a year later with a handful of games against the competition?

Who would have started scoffing at the console who lack games and had a scary bluray drive and teh cell? Insecurities are a b*tch.

[PS3MAN85]

He knows it can't run on the 360 because he's worked on how many 360 titles....hmmmmm!?
I believe he said "I don't THINK so". He doesn't know what the hell he's talking about!
A Sony developer, making an exclusive game for sony - yeah, he's not being biased at all now is he?

[ultimolu]

Ashriel, you have a point, but 360 fanboys have been guilty of doing this more frequently.

[danielle007]

People need to not pick on the 360 :[ it's the little engine that could. Always root for hte underdogs, imo. Maybe if they just tried! :] lolololol.

[Perjoss]

these comments make me laugh, people actually believe that the ps3 is alot more powerful than the 360. Disk size issues asside.

"<insert game name> cannot run on the 360"

allow me to translate...

"we do not have enough time (or are too lazy) to write the code for another system"

Its obvious the ps3 and 360 are quite different from what devs have said in the past, how many time have you heard "the ps3 is too hard to develop for", also look at all the shoddy ports on the ps3. Bottom line is, whatever the lead platform is for a particular game will mean it will be better on that platform unless the devs actually make an effort.

[Tito Jackson]

HALO cannot run on the 360

GEARS1&2 cannot run on the 360

President Obama cannot run on the 360

Mountain Dew cannot run on the 360

The Season Finale of LOST cannot run on the 360

Oscar Myers's New 3 Cheese Hot Dog cannot run on the 360

The Paris Hilton Sextape cannot run on the 360

Crayons cannot run on the 360

Swine Flu cannot run on the 360

The war in Iraq cannot run on the 360

The economy cannot run on the 360

Am I missing anything fellas? *checks list again*

[callahan09]

Why would you be surprised to hear him say that? He probably believes that it can't run on the 360, so that's what he said. The thing is, he was ASKED if he thought it could, he didn't just bring it up out of the blue, he was answering a question. He clearly loves working with Sony and feels that this project couldn't have been made without their unrivaled support for the creative process.

Developers really like working for and with Sony. Every developer working for Sony seems to proclaim their love for their relationship with them. It's kind of surprising, because to me it almost sounds like Sony plays the role of the rich kid's parent: just give them money and let them run with it.

From the recent interview ( http://ps3.nowgamer.com/new...
"The only thing Sony asked us to do was to make the best game we could. Absolutely nothing was mandated. Sony is not this type of publisher telling you what you should do. They had a real interest in what we wanted to achieve so they supported our creative vision. All they wanted us was to create something unique for the Playstation 3."

Sony says "do what you want, we'll foot the bill." That's probably why devs like working with them.

[dude_uk]

mate.. i've never been to the 360 section to bash the 360..

i hate microsoft and that's a known fact.. but i like the 360 and its games.. so what's your point?

[N4g_null]

callahan09 great point he was asked if it could run on the 360. Was he given time to ask his programmer probably not. So would you blame the interviewer for putting him on the spot?

LOL I wonder how the crysis guys feel about this? I mean they clearly can out do this game if they want to.

Also some one tell me why so many PS3 ports took so long and looked so bad on the PS3 back in the day? Also can the PS3 fanboys rely on some thing more tangible since they are using graphics to judge their "power" in their systems. How about saying the art on PS3 exclusives are simply better?

[callahan09]

Sorry, in my last post I copied the link incorrectly to the interview. This link will work:

http://ps3.nowgamer.com/new...

[CaseyRyback_CPO]

"The 360 came out in November 2005. That is 3.5 years on the market. Around 4.5 years developers have had their hands on the 360 hardware.

What does the 360 have to show off these supposed capabilities?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. "

Give that man a cigar, everyone can disagree.. but no one can prove it wrong.

[Kaneda]

He said "I don't think so" that is not a "No".. he said it too difficult> since the game is builded for PS3 spec, but if they do work on 360. Programmers always find away to make it works.

[ukilnme]

@ dude_uk

I don't care for all of Micro's business tactics myself. I love gaming on my 360 just like I do on my PS3 but I make it no secret that I can't stand the majority of N4G PS3 Fanboys.

My point was that PS3 Fanboys always manage to find their way in to 360 threads to bash the 360. Maybe you don't but the overwhelming majority of them here do exactly that. Talk about being insecure.

Ultimolu's entire comment at 1.22 and 1.40 can be flipped the other way around and we all know it.

[Jaces]

It's like saying Halo or Gears can't be done on the PS3.

How can anyone honestly know until they've actually taken the time to try it out.

Like Kushan said, it doesn't mean it won't run on the other system cause it will but it'll take possibly a different engine and even then it may or may not deliver the same results as the other version.

This topic is pointless and indeed flamebait.

[Ashriel]

Ultimolu, do not try to jutify this silly fanboy wars.

I've been some time around this site and by comments like

"Xbox 360 == Dreamcast" "What does the 360 have to show off these supposed capabilities?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

What does the 360 have after 3.5 years?

Pathetic fake marketing bullshots.
PC screenshots passed off as 360 screenshots.
Absurd gametrailers rigged side by side comparisons of graphically mediocre crossplatform titles. "

"It's only the Xbox 360 that the entire f-ing gaming world has to go through this retarded charade pretending that the Xbox 360 is in the same graphical league as the PS3 just for the sole fact that Xbox fans want to believe their crappy little console is can do thing things far beyond anything it really is capable of."

I could go on forever, my point is, you can't just say "Why can't 360 fanboys enjoy their console without talking down the PS3?" Because PS3 fanboys are doing the exact same ;3

[creatchee]

The 11 people who disagreed with you only prove your point.

This place has become an intellectual wasteland...

[DaTruth]

It would be stupid to say PS3 couldn't run Gears or Halo3 because you would look at games that are technically superior to them on the PS3 and say "why not". The problem with 360 is that it lacks any games that are technically on par with even Heavenly Sword and Lair(practically launch titles).

Gears 2 has 2D fire... Nuff said!

The only strange thing is that some people can't accept what their eyes are telling them.

He is probably basing his statement that the 360 can't run Heavy Rain on the fact that he sees no games on the 360 that look anywhere near as complex as the game he's making.

@Ashriel:"I could go on forever, my point is, you can't just say "Why can't 360 fanboys enjoy their console without talking down the PS3?" Because PS3 fanboys are doing the exact same [In response]"<<< That's where I finished your sentence, because this is how the so called "WAR" played out. The comment section of every gaming site saying "PS3 is teh dead" before the system was even on the market!

[bpac123456789]

im really becoming dissapointed in n4g users. when did all of u guys turn into such rabid fanboys. what has the 360 done to you inorder to garner so much hate? sure the ps3 is more powerful but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? the xbox was more powerful than the ps2 and look who came out on top. ultimately it comes down to who has the better games and both consoles have great games, i personaly believe the ps3 has better games but its only my opinion and it isnt a reason to attack the 360.

[Skizelli]

Spoken like a true moron.

Keep on playing your games for the graphics. I'll keep playing them for gameplay, no matter what console it's on.

[Tarasque]

Doesn't matter if it can or can't be done on the 360, if you want to play you will haft to have a PS3 plain and simple.

[Arnon]

That's odd... Because I'm pretty sure that you and everyone RIGHT HERE who is actually talking down on the 360 is a PS3 fan. Which is pretty much the most ironic thing I've ever seen. And we all know you are, considering the death threats that you've sent people through messages over gaming consoles.

[Perkel]

still best looking game on x360 is GoW2 soo it's true i think,

till this day x360 has no game which is better looking than uncharted even Heavenly sword (With 1000+ models on screen)

am i right ?

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"One of Microsofts extra cpus threads can outperform all of Sony's Spu's!"

Uh, no. The Cell processor has 3-times the floating point capabilities of the Xenon. The Cell processor in the PS3 without the PPE would have about twice the floating point power, and that's only if the 360 dedicates all of its CPU to do that, which it won't because it wouldn't be enough and the 360 is better doing stuff the old general purpose way; the cell processor could be using its 6 SPEs for that because well, that's what they are there for! But then again, the Cell processor uses XDR RAM which runs at the same clock speed, unlike the Xenon which is bottlenecked by its slower RAM. So basically, the Xenon is no match for the Cell processor. That's why the Cell processor does graphics and helps in making the RSX run very efficiently.

[rockleex]

Its not like he wanted to claim the PS3 was stronger.

They asked him if it was possible on the 360 and he simply said "I don't think so, because of our tech".

Make of it what you will. ^_^

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

Just look at the story picture, it looks like the CGI in Final Fantasy XIII but it is actually in-game.

[Mini Mario]

"It's like someone is just cutting and pasting old Dreamcast vs PS2 talking points and just changing the names. "

Believe me these "debates" go on every generation. Every console known to man has had haters on opposite sides

..... and why you ask>>? Who knows!...i really wish i knew

[evrfighter]

"The 360 came out in November 2005. That is 3.5 years on the market. Around 4.5 years developers have had their hands on the 360 hardware."

lol this was a humorous post. The one year head start is WHY the 360 is deemed less powerful. There was nothing mystic or unknown about its intruction set. 4.5, 10.5, 15.5 years no amount of time would make a difference. Old tech is old tech. 360's/ps3's in essence they are cheap computers. This is exactly why pc techies no longer care about the cell. It's old, yesterdays news as modern cpu/gpu's have surpassed it's power awhile back.

Are you seriously wondering why the 360 can't put out the same quality as ps3? 1 year in the pc world is almost an entire generation in tech years. argue all you want but this is the truth.

M$ took a chance with this, wait a year and update their 360 and go toe to toe with the ps3 or release with the current high performance tech, sacrifice quality and the ability to future proof their console. I guess in the end, money talks. I don't think they care however. They stole the biggest gaming market from Sony and now have a foothold for their next console.

I'd never buy anything M$ until the bugs are worked out. That's my approach to anything M$ actually software or hardware. I usually wait 2 years before upgrading their OS as I've learned that there is ALWAYS something wrong with a M$ product at launch.

[Hallucinate]

'cannot run' well the could mean anything..like bluray, or even if the engine is optimized to run on the 360 it still couldnt handle it..ect

[mooks1]

HEAVY RAIN uses CELL 's full processing power and cannot run on a dumbed down EMT64 aka XENON

CAPCOM themselves said once that XENON is dumbed down emt64

No ps3 exclusive in the current form can run on X360

[talltony]

He didnt say because of lack of bluray. He basically said because of lack of processing power cause they take full advantage of the ps3's spu's!!

[Major_Tom]

Read the article, Physics, Visuals, AI.

To be honest we haven't seen much improvement in graphics in the Xbox and while I believe creativity is not limited, hardware is.

[chidori666]

yes, killzone 2, infamous, heavy rain, mag, uncharthed 2 cannot run in 360fixme NEVER!

[NewZealander]

hmmm another sony exclusive that cant run on the 360, im sorry but its starting to look like a desperate attempt by sony to get companies developing there exclusives to claim it cant run on 360.

sony fans are so deluded and they lap up this kind of BS, anything to sell a sony game i guess, but c'mon sony fanboys open your eyes.

[napoleon_ist]

"its starting to look like a desperate attempt by sony to get companies developing there exclusives to claim it cant run on 360"

its starting to look like a desperate attempt by microsoft fanboys to deny companies developing there PS3 exclusives and to claim it can run on 360.

you know those bullshits we read everywhere like "killzone 2 can be done on xbox360" without dual layer bluray nor SPUs... sure, it will be a piece of cake even! :D

[THC CELL]

i wonder if developers try running games on other platforms
i mean did cage run a code on xbox and it blows it up lol

i bet even the halo team bungie tryed running on the ps3 and was shocked to say man we could have a hell of a game here and got scared cause of microrobbers lol

its great to play with the systems but developers need to grow some big hairy balls these days

halo ps3 would be end of xbox and bungie knows that
ff for xbox is no big loss cause its not as if it will be better
even Metal gear is no big loss
uncharted may be
killzone wont run on xbox so on

every xbox game would run a lot better on ps3 if exclusive
trust me
halo could look better then killzone on ps3

[Lfmesquite]

I changed my mind about posting anything else. Sorry. N4G should have a DELETE option.

[Vecta]

Halo 3 was programed for the Xbox 360, it was programed to use its shared ram and 3 CPU cores... It could not run on PS3.

Heavy Rain was programed for the PS3, it was programed to use its separate GPU ram and normal ram and its 8 CPU cores... It could not run on a Xbox 360.

Now shut up.

[Vecta]

If I programed a game for PS3 architecture would you expect it to able to run on PC architecture? or vice versa?

Simple answer is no.

I guess you, FelinePornographer, fail to understand simple concepts though.

[StephanieBBB]

"Halo 3 was programed for the Xbox 360, it was programed to use its shared ram and 3 CPU cores... It could not run on PS3. "

Wrong but yet right. Halo 3's raw ported code can't be run on the PS3 but the code can be optimized to run on the PS3 and the PS3 would still have SPU's left over for more code.

The same can't be said about KZ2, Heavy rain being optimized for the 360, because the 360 lacks processors to handel as much code without overloading as the PS3 has. It's common sense, if you have 7-8 people working together in harmony they can get more things done than 3 without pulling a muscle.

I have another illustation too, Imagine that the 360 and it's 3 cores are a huge woodshipper. They all work together so that you can just throw a tree (code) in there and it will get processed. Now imagine that the PS3 is 8 smaller woodshippers and you have to first chop up the trees you put in for them to process them. But this way you can get a larger tree through faster than possible on the 360 due to it's enormous size without being chopped up first. Hope it makes sense.

Anyway the more processors on the PS3 side is not everything. Blue ray plays an important factor too. Imagine Halo 3 taking full advantage of the blue ray's capacity. That would make room for more textures better uncompressed sound and overall more content.

So saying that Halo 3 would be better on the PS3 is a very valid argument even though "some" people might not want to hear it.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

As the RSX has virtually free access to the Cell's memory, the XDR. The cell also has access in theory to the RSX's memory, but that would take a performance hit as it's slower, but again, the Cell processor has not only free access to more than half of PS3's *available* memory, but the memory runs just as fast as the cell processor does, and that's a major advantage. So the problem isn't so much about the unified RAM, it's about the memory hogging OS which occupies too much RAM for some retarded reason where they couldn't get it as small as the 360 OS even when it's not as functional.

Anyway, the 3-core processor that the 360 uses runs much faster than its RAM does, creating bottlenecks. There is very little than the 360 CPU can do that the Cell can't, and in fact you can pretty much re-write anything that runs on "normal cores" to run on the SPEs and to run much better, it only takes time and talent. It was said that 360 had the advantage in AI, as said by Jade Raymond from Ubisoft, but she is not really a programmer, just a producer, so she evidently knows jack sh1t about what the PS3 can and can't (especially when you look at what they did to the PS3 version of Ass' creed). When you look at the amount of enemies on screen of most PS3 games, especially heavenly sword, you'd realize there's almost nothing the 360 does that the PS3 can't.

The 360 is simply made to be as straightforward as possible in terms of its relation between game development and computer architecture. The PS3 is built with horsepower in mind. Any graphics code that runs on the 360 can be optimized to run even better on PS3 if you know how to make the Cell work together with the RSX (and that's only if it's needed, because the RSX is definitely better in some aspect than the Xenon, especially in Raw Horsepower). Any physics or AI routines can be optimized to run much better on PS3. The PS3's only disadvantage is not split RAM, as split RAM had the advantage of not bottlenecking the Cell with the RAM and at the same time making the PS3 as cheap as it was possible. Its weakness is simply its OS, but that's improving as you can notice with the last firmware update; that's probably what Sony means when they say "enhanced playback for PS3 titles".

[mooks1]

dude
KZ2 makes Gears 2 look like an iphone game
can u show me a single x360 game that looks half as impressive as heavy rain/kz2/uncharted 2

i repeat half as impressive

[Christopher]

<<<It was said that 360 had the advantage in AI, as said by Jade Raymond from Ubisoft>>>

She seriously said this? I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at that sort of comment. AI, physics, particle control, and the such can be handled much better on the PS3. 360 can handle better textures, but you can't ignore the ability to process more data at a fast and consistent rate on the PS3, as well as multi-directional piping.

[N4g_null]

Man you guys will not let go of this will you? Once you think you understand some thing you just don't want to except that you may be wrong.

If you remember the xbox use to be the lead sku for multi-platform games. The ports all ended up running badly and few could get the SPEs to do what the 2 cores and shared ram could do.

So they made the PS3 the lead sku and found that is was easier to get the code to work as the extra core in the 360 has threading which can work like the specs in the PS3 and extra ram by way of the shared ram. Then on top of that you still have another core if you can get the code to validate over at MS.

It reminds me of a PC with 4 video cards in it. Hell they maybe powerful but their aren't any general tools or forms of code that can take care of them unless you use a giant frame buffer to do other things.

The PS3 fans talk of power is misplaced. It would be more respectable to give the creators of these games more credit. It is simply the art that makes the PS3 exclusive look better. Yes differed rending is possible on the 360 just like the PC and even the Wii in some cases. It's just a different way of rendering.

Differed rendering is much like software rendering actually, yet nothing beat hardware rendering right now which is why no one is trying to really push that on the 360. Yet the PS3's trump card is art and aspiring to be movie industry like. It is also possibly there down fall because it has not been master yet.

The Larrabee was engineered to be a software rendering beast that the cell was suppose to be. This chip will only use differed rending techniques basically. This will also allow the same engine to make games look totally different.

So SONY got the problem half right yet I believe epic is working on this complaint. They are one of the few guys making lots of money even now.

The HD gen deserves more from it's players. Learn more about what makes your games, research them and stay up on tech developments. I will admit I don't like the majority of HD games coming but I love the tech. Gamers need to seriously separate those two and make developers make good on all of this tech rather than use gimmicks and PR hype.

This industry is turning into a beauty pageant and I hate those things.

[DaTruth]

So 360 developers are incapable of developing art as good as PS3 developers? That sounds so stupid! How could art be a standout of any particular console? The art of rendering 1000 characters on screen(heavenly sword, Lair) vs the art of maximum 10(360)!

PLEASE!! Just face it!

[Perjoss]

@ StephanieBBB

bubbles for making sense, and even using an analogy to make things clear for the slow people.

[Consoldtobots]

"One of Microsofts extra cpus threads can outperform all of Sony's Spu's!"

this is from a fanboy in a reply to the first post in this article and the reason I don't really bother trying to educate children about programming theory. Now this one called scissor runner wants to tell people they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to code. It just makes me shake my head and laugh.

and now for the whammy, point out ONE game that looks as good or better than ANY PS3 exclusive on the 360???........................ ............................... ................
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is that crickets I hear?? thought so now just stfu and go away troll.

[The Lazy One]

He never said that. Not once did he say a single processor could handle everything running through all SPUs. He said that the multi-threading on the 360's makes it easier to port towards 360 than the other way because you have to manually break down the code on the PS3 to run on the SPEs. Unified memory is also easier to port to because you don't have to figure out how to allocate your memory when porting.

He said nothing about performance, because you can get similar performance with either methodology (as it stands now). He was just talking about which is easier to port to and from.

@scissor: I agree larabee will be AWESOME. I hope it makes it in a next gen console. The only sucky thing would be cost.

[N4g_null]

DaTruth when was the last time epic matched the character design of kojima? When was the last time halo matched the texture detailing of uncharted? Bring PC tech to console developers was suppose to be the end game yet the PC guys beat up on them pretty bad with better tools. Yet console developer are force to rush their hand in the wake of trail blazers who have the GPU makers on speed dial.

Art has always been the reason why console games trumped PC games. You just can not get kojima's style or Miyamoto's style out of PC game developers. Most PS3 fans love japanese style art and many even say they like the PS3 because the games are closer to console games rather than PC games, which are pretty much FPS and MMOs right now.

So yeah I think PS3 fans and SONY them selves are forgetting why they loved that brand, art and style all the way, but they decided to play MS game, hey that's your problem now. KAz trying to p[ump up SONY's software houses is great but if they do not focus on why they are better than it will be in vain. EVEN apple knows MS weakness and it's style and art, always has been.

Seriously only the art in killzone 2 made a difference. only the art in uncharted made it look better than gears 2. The art and character design of MGS4 crushed many 360 only games. You can say the tech did it in killzone 2 but the tech can be done on most any system yet it was done on the PS3 because art was more important and just hitting a check box.

If SONY really wanted to win this gen they would focus on this more which is their strong point. The tech stuff is only believed by fanboys that do not understand what problems code runs into because of it's different way of doing things rather than doing it differently because it will give you more power. This happens mostly because you just want to believe rather than research your answers. If you don't want to know that truth then why argue it? It will only end up pushing you from gaming once you find out the truth.

People who believe the cell is the end all console weapon in this arms race will leave gaming rather than admit a storm is brewing in the next gen. High end gaming is what you all wanted and you may just get it truly in the next gen. There is zero hype for what is coming and when it hits there will be hardly any arguing just smiling faces.

But seriously if you are going to brag over a very small victory just because other picked on you then you must realize how small you have made your self, right?

[raztad]

@DaTruth

You are telling your name. I handt realized that until now. Wow, now is much easier to see how handicapped is the 360. That is why the ever present pop ins. Every game on the 360 should be highly compressed and then uncompressed on the fly (wasting A LOT of processing power). Way to screw up your consaole MS. Now is fvcking, to me at least, clear why to have a BD is that important. This is one of the reason why we got KZ2 and now U2 as graphical kings. Uncompressed assets For The Win!!!

EDIT:

My bad. This replay wasnt supposed to guy above. sorry.

[N4g_null]

raztad I know you was not responding to me but to use non uncompressed assets on the PS3 would be silly also due to lower seeks times and less ram that can be used because of performance hits. The pop in is bad on both systems actually because they simply skimped on ram. Next gen should fix this though.

[THC CELL]

mate little big planet leaves can not run on xbox

[jack_burt0n]

the title is flamebait for sure the article reads "no we ended up using all the spu's" tbh that would make a better title altogether :)

[lloyd_wonder]

This game is going to be amazing. Indigo Prohecy was well received, and this looks to be a step up.

"I think to do the visuals, and all the stuff we’re doing would be too difficult [on the 360]. There are amazing physics there, and stuff with crowds that you just couldn’t really get."

I wonder what they're going to do with the crowds...

[Nelson M]

We all Know this(well the BoTs Dont)
I mean the 360 cant even run Pong Tennis
So why The BoTs Think that the OutdatedBox can run any PS3 Exclusive is beyond me

[OmarJA]

It can't even run it biggest exclusive at a decent resolution, so much for teh 512 MB ram...

*Cough* Halo 3 *Cough*.

[Foxgod]

It seems more then capable of running gta4 tho, unlike the ps3.
Enjoy your installing tho.

[mooks1]

tomb raider, so43 ran at 510p on x360

MLB SHOW ran at 1080p 60 fps on PS3

too bad no single x360 game cant even run at 1080p native

KZ2 makes x360's entire gaming library look like iphone games

[talltony]

STOP COMPARING MULTI PLATFORM GAMES!!!!!! COMPARE GAMES THAT TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF EACH SYSTEMS STRENGTHS! YOU KNOW LIKE EXCLUSIVES!

[Omega4]

Why are all these PS3 exclusives developers so pathetic

Every single one of them has said that their game wont run on the 360 , i mean did they even try? Cause i'd like to know how far they got before the console exploded

It seems to me because they have no interesting gameplay info to talked about all they can say is its technically unbeatable

[PirateThom]

:*(

[lloyd_wonder]

You know what? David Cage was asked a question and answered it. If you wanna complain about PS3 developers... stop. Look at the media and think to yourself....

[ShabzS]

dude its sony's marketting strategy ... they've been doing this since mgs 4... its just the way it goes man ...

[themyk]

4 -
Why are all these PS3 exclusives developers so pathetic

Every single one of them has said that their game wont run on the 360 , i mean did they even try? Cause i'd like to know how far they got before the console exploded

It seems to me because they have no interesting gameplay info to talked about all they can say is its technically unbeatable

no they are not all saying their games can't run on the 360. sucker punch said their game is only possible on the ps3, you guys took it that way.

so your saying that because their not showing their cards on the game it means they have nothing......... sooooooo kind of like microsoft not talking about any games. just asking.

the guy just answered a question, it's not like he called a press conference.

[ultimolu]

Buy a PS3 and you'll see why.

360 fanboys are getting a taste of their own medicine when they bragged about how the PS3 was inferior to the 360.

Cry moar.

[mooks1]

PS3 has 1080p games at 60 fps
PS3 has killzone 2
ps3 has MAG with 256 players
ps3 has super intense games like KZ2
ps3 has the best looking games on consoles --KZ2, Uncharted 2, Heavy rain

is there any next gen game on x360????
can u tell me the name of atleast 1 x360 game which is next gen?

[E74]

devs make games exclusive on the ps3 because it THEY PLAN to utilize ps3 specific tech, so a game designed to fill an entire bluray disc,and take full advantage over the cell processor is obviously not going to run on any other console, the are not stupid, they konw what thy are doing. and the only reason they dont show any details on gameplay is because it is far to early.

[PirateThom]

bubububu the Xenon... :D

It doesn't surprise me it doesn't run if it's optimised for the SPUs.

[OmarJA]

Agreed...

All the PS3's exclusives are graphical marvelous, if the developers can take a good advantage of these SPUs they can do wonderful thing with their engine or even make a new one...

The PS3's spec alone might attract more developers to create exclusives.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Not saying the 360 could handle a game with the code specifically optimized for the SPEs, but maybe it could get a downgrade. However, without Blu-ray, this game would be impossible, read my explanation above.

[raztad]

@Cookie

Check this out:

"I think this game can only be done on Playstation 3," he said. "We used all the SPUs".

Man is talking about RAW processing power, and he is implicitly saying that 6 SPUs>>3 cores.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

But what I said probably still holds some water. After all, maybe it could be graphically downgraded to run on 360, but as far as the structure of the game goes, a game like that can't be done on 360, and that's because of Blu-ray/DVD9.

[Christopher]

It's about processing millions of environmental elements, specifically lighting, particle effects (water, explosions, smoke, etc.) and the such all in real time. It is possible to put Heavy Rain the game on the 360, but not at the level of detail we've seen with the environmental effects for Heavy Rain and now Uncharted 2.

The textures on the 360 would be slightly better than the PS3, no disagreeing with this, but the world would feel a lot more lifeless since it can't handle processing all of the real time data for doing the rapid updates to all of the elements.

This is why in reviews the PS3 almost always is known for showing more detail with regard to weather effects and the such (example: the sweat and wounds on Wolverine in the latest game).

The beauty of it is that developers are finding ways around using simple texture overlays to improve the graphics. It's kind of cheating by ignoring the video card all together to use image sprites as temporary and rapidly updating overlays ontop of existing textures.

Remarkable technology, IMHO, and some very inventive programming.

[DaTruth]

Also, people just don't seem to be aware of the amount of processing power that is wasted on decompression. I can hardly do anything on my other computer while Winrar is decompressing files and can't even play Matroska. Especially the high compression used in games on the 360, must use an entire core on decompression alone!

Streaming uncompressed data straight off the Bluray disk would clearly save a lot of processing power.

[Cajun Chicken]

It uses the Sixaxis as standard, of course it couldn't.

[The Meerkat]

And Nintendo says Super Mario can't run on a PS3

[ThatCanadianGuy]

What a horrible analogy.

[XULTIMATEXGAMEONX]

it's the truth...

[raztad]

Not sure why someone can disagree with you here, a blind fanboy perhaps? It would be nice if the disagreers step up and say what game looks better than KZ2. It wont happen, there is none.

[mooks1]

but no x360 owner can name a game that can even DARE rival KZ2

KZ2 is just an awesome game , in terms of gameplay as well as graphics

[DelbertGrady]

Have they tried developing it for the 360? Have they developed for the 360 at all? What he says might be true but how can he know for sure until they've tried?

[Cajun Chicken]

...Could say the same for Valve with not making games for PS3.

[LTC]

Edit; Software Lover Are you a developer?
If not then STFU

[ShabzS]

valve developers are just lazy man... they never said its immpossible to make on ps3 .. they said they just dont wanna do it... orange box did come out for ps 3 didnt it... that it is possible

[Cajun Chicken]

I'd prefer Valve to do it instead of ranting how 'hard it is', well, didn't that get proved wrong in a short number of years.
They just should of admitted that they were to busy with the rest of the Halflife 2 episodes and probably pre-production for Halflife 3, instead of BS'ing architecture instead of making excuses which fueled the console war and put off developers and buyers for the PS3 day one.

[XULTIMATEXGAMEONX]

Because the developers Guerrilla said Killzone 2 is only possible only on the PS3 .

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

for those bots that say its because of blueray i've got 1 thing to say to you

WRONG!

why do i say that because he clearly said they've used up all the SPU's, and we all know the Cell has 8 SPU's but the 360 only has 3

and by the way Heavy Rain was tested on the 360's hardware at 1 time and they ditched it because it was not capable of running the game, it was on an article posted some where in late 2007

so for those bots who say 'They have never used the 360's hardware'

YOU FAIL!

[Foxgod]

Man, you dont know what you are talking about.
The Ps3 got one processor core, and 6 Spe's.

The 360 got three processor core's and doesnt use spe's, an Spe is not a processor, its a support entity.

[mooks1]

each SPU is way more powerful than the PPE or XENON

each SPU is way more powerful than entire XENON. SPUS cant do general processing but you can code differently to make them run general purpose applications

CELL = atleast 20x XENON

stupid BOT xenon has never been benchmarkled cuz it is not powerful

folding at home has CELL dissipating energy at 256 gflops

[xjoshbx]

WRONG... It's got 8 spu's each clocking over 3.2ghz. 1 reserved for the system's OS, so 7 to access. spu's can also loop data along with processing it. Also take in factor that the ps3's 256mb of ram is XDR, 360's 512 is ddr2. XDR is roughly 4 times faster then ddr2 memory, meaning whatever is running in memory is running faster and being freed faster.

[Foxgod]

Theres no way that a silly little spe is more powerfull then a 3 core processor.

Then it would be even faster then my I7, and may i add, my I7 makes the cell look like roadkill.

Those spe's, which contain an spu, are support processing units, the PS3 got only one core, the PPE, which is a two-way multithreaded core running at 3.2 ghz.

While the 360 got 3 cores on 3.2 ghz.
And stop calling the ps3 powerfull, if you want the latest tech buy an I7, ps3 is outdated, just like the 360.

[Gue1]

The awesome thing is that the Spe's run at 3.2GHZ each and they can run practically anything and give direct support to the GPU. In other words, Spe's are more powerful than cores, because they can do more diverse things.

The Xenon is a dumbed down version of the Cell. That's why most people say that the X360 and PS3 are equal in power, because they both share the same schemes but with a few things changed.

And the Cell does not have 8 SPE's but 7, newer PS3's are supposed to come with 8 but one is for the operating system, the other is deactivate and from the remaining six the developers have only used 5 or 4.

The PS3's hard to program for because you have a CPU with SPE's, Spe's that give support to the GPU or CPU while running practically anything. It has limited memory but that runs at 3.2GHZ.

You do need special coding to take advantage of all this. Normally a computer just consist of a CPU, GPU and RAM. Each component simply does its purpose; CPU run, GPU render and Ram sustain. You can do that on the PS3 too but then you wouldn't be using any SPE's

The only thing @Foxgod got right is that the Spe's are support processing units, the rest? He doesn't even understand a thing. Only if you knew a little bit about programming and computer engineering you would know how awesome the PS3 was builded.

And yes, the Cell's more powerful than your core i7.

[cryymoar]

Thank you Will.

@ Foxgod, go to your local community college and take a Computer Engineering 101 class.

[E74]

the only real up to date system is the wii =P

[evilmonkey501]

They are designed for different things. The cell definitely has more throughput capability though, even with it being an older design. You would need 2 i7's stacked to match the cell's 80 gflps. However, The i7 does other things better than the cell, like having more general cpu power,but not hd video processing or anything really mathematical, which is why Sony went cell. Effortless high definition.

[Dimitri]

The CELL B.E. is supposedly able to do 218Gflops @ 3.2ghz without the 8th SPE. And up to 256GFlops @ 4ghz on just the SPE's alone.

The i7 965 is rated at a mere 51.2 Gflops at stock clocks. No where near the capacity of the CELL.

Source :
http://www.intel.com/suppor...
http://www.realworldtech.co...

[Software_Lover]

Really, let me know because I dont know.

All this cant be done on 360 cant be done on ps3 stuff is getting old.

Fact: The cell forces you to multi-core code your games because of the Spu's. The 360 doesn't. They still use it like a pc and get the job done quicker but its not necessarily the best way.

Fact: 360 has a somewhat (I say somewhat because specs mean nothing) better gpu but it will never reach its potential because ps3 has blu-ray. Blu-ray allow devs to put larger textures on the ps3 and push the gpu and not worry about disc space. Most 360 games have to be compressed and in alot of cases use smaller textures to try and fit on one disc. This is really where the advantage is.

If devs multi-core code on the 360 (3 cores 2 threads per core = 6 different coding branches (spu's) for the devs) then they can yield the same results. But because of DVD9, not being able to fully push the gpu, and the old way of coding a game, the perception will always be that THIS CANT BE DONE ON THE 360

[Software_Lover]

I would also like to say that this game is just QTE's right? That could be done on the wii but not as graphical. Im probably gonna get this game as I liked their game last gen (Indigo prophecy).

Psn: cherub2g
live:cherub2g

[PirateThom]

It's not just quick time events, you have full movement from what the developers are saying. The QTEs are for action sequences that will affect the rest of the game.

[TreborRversed]

Yeah the QTE are just a very small part of the game, and everyone assume that this is all the game has to offer because of the trailer, a trailer that is not even going to be part of the game I must add.

Anyway reguardless of platform, my most anticipated GOTY.

[supremacy]

look even cliff b amitted it, he even went on the record saying that gears can be done on the ps3, its just that their publisher wouldnt like that to happen lol.

as fo valve, c'mon they are pro pc and the 360 is the closest thing to a pc so its easy and simple for them to work on the 360 and less expensive and time consuming.

remember Rage? lol

look the list ges on here, these arent just developers on sony's camp stating these things its everyone.

the fact is that the 360 is a much inferior platform, but due to its simplicity and its time on the market you know in the hands of those devs. it has the ability to hang in.

remember ninja gaiden sigma? lol

that guy said his 360 dev kits blew up on him while it took him em a while to get his ps3 dev kit, to go up on smoke, just on smoke? lol man these satemnts by the devs i tell you.

i always wonder why such applications like folding@ are only using ps3's to this date.

150mb limit on xbox live arcade games? what the?

i wonder why a simple thing like a web browser is still missing from this platform.

i know ram isnt an issue but.,,,

i guess there is one game in particular that would change my mind, and that game is alan wake.

for their sake this game better be everything is being hyped as being and not some too human repeat.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"Has he developed a game for the 360 this gen???????????
Really, let me know because I dont know. "

He has the dev kits because they started this gen without any particular contracts. Indigo prophecy is actually being sold as one of the Xbox Classics, so they've had contact with 360.

"All this cant be done on 360 cant be done on ps3 stuff is getting old. "

Well, it's old because we've known that since 4 years ago.

"Fact: The cell forces you to multi-core code your games because of the Spu's. The 360 doesn't. They still use it like a pc and get the job done quicker but its not necessarily the best way. "

That's a lie. Some of the first 3rd party games on PS3 used no SPEs, that includes the Orange Box, but even if what you said was true, what's the problem? Multi-core is the future. Devs better get used to it.

"Fact: 360 has a somewhat (I say somewhat because specs mean nothing) better gpu but it will never reach its potential because ps3 has blu-ray."

lol, what? The 360 GPU won't reach its potential because PS3 has Blu-ray? Non sequitur FTL. Besides, that's another lie. The 360 GPU is better SAYS WHO? Better for what? If you are talking about efficiency, that would be true if consoles were PCs. Sadly, some developers do consider them PCs. However, consoles are supposed to get platform specific code so as long as you develop with a particular architecture in mind, there should be no issue with the RSX as seen with PS3 exclusives. If you're talking about Raw Power, the RSX beats the 360 GPU down, as it does 136 shader ops per clock cycle @ 550 Mhz, which yields a lot more raw Horse Power than the 98 shader ops per clock cycle @ 500Mhz for the 360. If you want to get into specifics, the RSX beats the 360 GPU in pixel shading by a long shot. The 360 GPU beats the RSX in vertex shading, but not by much. However, vertex shading is not an issue for PS3 as the Cell processor is very strong for those types of calculations, so if anything the Cell processor + RSX are a lot better than the Xenos for vertex shading, and that's why you see a very high polygon count in PS3 exclusives, among other nice effects rarely found on 360 exclusives or multiplatform titles. Contrary to popular belief, the PS3 also has a unified memory system optimal for realistic graphics, as both the Cell and RSX can do graphics, and the RSX can access the XDR RAM with little or no associated performance hit. Any numbers suggesting otherwise are probably taken from Microsoft's PR.

"Blu-ray allow devs to put larger textures on the ps3 and push the gpu and not worry about disc space."

Blu-ray allows for a whole lot more than that. Games that need to be constantly streamed (like open world games and other non-linear games) require a single disc and the bigger the disc the more info the game can get, as multiple disc solutions wouldn't work.

"Most 360 games have to be compressed and in alot of cases use smaller textures to try and fit on one disc. This is really where the advantage is."

Decompression most likely takes place on the CPU, that has nothing to do with the 360 GPU not reaching its potential.

"If devs multi-core code on the 360 (3 cores 2 threads per core = 6 different coding branches (spu's) for the devs) then they can yield the same results."

No. 360 can't run 6 threads @ 3.2 Ghz, and not all threads are related to floating point vector operations. If you wanna run two threads on a single core, you're gonna have to split the clock cycles between each thread, i.e. each thread will run at half the speed (on average). Also, you can't make all threads take care of heavy loads like the SPEs do. Furthermore, the PS3 can use up to 8 threads for its games, i.e. 6 SPEs and 2 on the PPE (the PPE will run like the ones found on the 360, however). That could be up to 7 threads focused on 128-bit vector operations at most, while the 360 could do only 3 of those at most at the same speed (and that doesn't even include the bottlenecks with 360's slow RAM, unlike on PS3 where the Cell utilizes the XDR RAM, which is as fast as the cell in terms of clock cycles). So what you say is a lie. The funny thing is that this isn't even a full Cell competing with the 360 (8 SPEs), because if that was the case then the Cell would outperform it by *at least* 3 times, if not more.

"But because of DVD9, not being able to fully push the gpu, and the old way of coding a game, the perception will always be that THIS CANT BE DONE ON THE 360"

That is false. The PS3 has more raw power waiting to be squeezed out, the 360 doesn't have as much horse power, it's simply easy to work with and has a bit more available RAM. Get over it.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Oh! and i would just like to say something, a couple of days ago i kind of did a bit of trash talk about LostPlanet2, so i take back everything i said about it, the game looks to be the best looking game on the 360 and thats coming from a 'BURN THE 360 UNTIL IT IS NO MOOORE!!!' type of person

[MGRogue2017]

Of course it won't run, It was specifically made to run on the Playstation 3, Y know.. With all of it's SPUs, Memory.. That isn't to say that it isn't able to perform well on the Xbox 360, With adjustments to the source code & engine, It can run on the Xbox 360.

But yeah, Right now.. It cannot run on Xbox 360 hardware

[mooks1]

to handle HEAVEY RAIN
u have to add 10 XENONs to match CELL

[ThaGeNeCySt]

EDIT:

I wonder what prompts journalists to always ask this?

[TreborRversed]

Web site hits maybe

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Here we go again. Another sony fan pajama jammie jam.

[themyk]

you do realize this game was originally going to be multi plat. and shortly after they started to make the game. they realized that the 360 couldn't run the game.

so when he says that the 360 can't run the game, he knows the 360 can't run the game.

GET OVER IT.

[mastiffchild]

In fairness he only "thinks" it wouldn't run on 360 and as they didn't go through with the multi platform development that's all he can say if he's honest. The way theu went it probably won't work on the 360 and any attempt to do so would suffer with the memory constraints of DVD9 and the branching story might even make multople discs a very poor option.

I'm guessing it would take major compression and a drop in some performance areas to get it running on the 360. Nobody can say for sure whether they or someone else couldn't have done just as well concentrating, and working differently for the 360-the game wouldn't be the same but might in some different areas be stronger than it is now. The two consoles have different strengths so for some things the PS3 cannot be touched but similarly the 360 excels in other areas so it might even be purely this kind of game suits the architecture of the PS3 much better.

But, yet again, we will never know for sure so we shouldn't get heated over this-esp when they guy himself only "thinks" this is the case.

[Droid Control]

I brought fahrenheit!

I supported this jerk on the XBox 1!

Now he says this? BS.

This is why i brought a PS3. For this game only. Oh, and the blu-ray.
But this is just BS. Can't run on the 360...

Haven't even tried!

And we all know this game will flop on PS3, i mean, if killzone 2 and Little big planet flop, then how is this going to sell?

Games sell better on 360.

If this game was made for 360, it could be released easily on pc as well. Guaranteeing HUGE international sales.

Now what?

I think we'll see this company going down in the neare future. Bad management and business decisions...

[kingboy]

Give up the pathetic sales talk already cause you`re clearly running out of ammo here little soldier,sales never made any game look or play proper for me.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Calm down bot.

[lloyd_wonder]

This game won't sell for sh1t on the Halo box. $299.99 Heavy Rain PS3 bundle going to sell like hot cakes.

You know what's funny? JRPGs on the 360. I thought the 360 sold more games? Why are these flops coming to the PS3?? Why is the 360 Namco's worse earner??

[themyk]

THE GAME WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE MULTIPLAT.

and when they were making the game they realized the game wouldn't be able to run and look like they wanted so they decided to dump the 360 version..

so yes he is right when he says it can't run on the 360.

when it comes to multiplats made with the 360 as lead they look slightly better but when it comes to games that look like HEAVY RAIN the 360 can't even run them. so which console is capable of playing the best looking games ever made? IIIIIIIII DON'T KNOW.

[Shane Kim]

Let the bot be, he is just mad because his crapbox can't hadle these types of games. And for your information bot, LBP has sold more than both ME, Bioshock and soon to be Fable 2. That must make them flops too right?

[ptotoy]

but they tend to forget that the wii, inferior in all aspects, is outselling the cheap @$$ crapbox every effin month..

so what if the crapbox is selling as much as the ps3 worldwide? it is still inferior to the ps3 in terms of graphics and everything else. sales do not prove anyhting, unless you are ready to admit that the wii is the best console out there..

[snake-OO]

since when is little big planet a flop its sold over 2 million and killzone which has sold over 1.5 million u dumb idiot. any game that sells over a million is a succes.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

It should be clear as day to you xbots that only PS3 games can compete for the graphic crown.

[taldous]

Do all of you PS3 fanboys act like this all the time? Does owning the PS3 make you one sided and misguided? I have all 3 consoles but, if owning the PS3 makes people sound this stupid then I am going to sell it before my IQ goes down to match you PS3 fanboys'. You think that the PS3 is God and that the 360 raped your mother and killed your father. Pathetic, really pathetic.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Are you 360 fanboys retarded or what? You guys are taking this supposed fanboy war way too seriously. Ease up, its just open zone talk.

[tehReaper]

"Are you 360 fanboys retarded or what? You guys are taking this supposed fanboy war way too seriously. Ease up, its just open zone talk."

Wow, how ironic. You know, coming from a PS3 fanboy that resorted to registering the name, Microsoft Xbox 360, just so he can openly bash it with his little circle jerk buddies. I'm pretty sure YOU'RE taking the "war" too seriously.

[Erratic]

What do you expect him to say, he's making a game exclusively for the Ps3, of course he'd say it wouldn't be possible on the 360, no matter if it's true or not. However, if they do use all the spu's then it's most probably true, given the extra processing power derived from them. It might not be seen in graphics but in physics, AI or other non-visual parts of the game.

Well, to get back to my point. It's not the fanboys that created this "war", it's MS and Sony, with a large help of all these hacks they call game journalists. The devs just gets dragged along :/

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

PS3 devs earn this bragging right. Proof is in the games they release unlike devs that support the 360.

"Killzone 2 could "totally be done" on the Xbox 360" - Christian Allen, Ex-Bungie dev

Now that is laughable. No proof of any game looking and running like K2 on the 360.

[mooks1]

and halo3 looks like an iphone game vs KZ2

[Advari]

Give it time and Microsoft will have a game that matches the visuals and the gameplay of Heavy Rain. Just need a release date for Heavy Rain now

[MaximusPrime]

you hope...

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

By then the PS3 will set the graphical bar even higher. The 360 will always lag behind in graphics.

[Foxgod]

Right, like with KZ2 and its pre rendered smoke.
Ps3 didnt set any bar, and it wont with heavy rain either, its just a collection of cutscenes with quick time events.

Us 360 owners would be ashamed to promote a game, that isnt really a game for its gfx.

[Foxgod]

Oh goodie, a psn title and a demo.
The rest you mentioned is done that, been there before.

[Shadow Flare]

360 has had a year longer and the console is easier to develop for, and it has zero games that can touch killzone 2. Need anymore excuses? Your hope is in vain, ps3 is more powerful and thats the end of it

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

LMAO. You pissed some people off.

[MaximusPrime]

why is it im still playing, what you call a demo, GT5P?

I dont see it as a demo. i can't believe so many hardcore xbox 360 gamers are so brainwashed.

[mooks1]

FOXBUTT

dont talk from ur assses

overrated?? thats gears 2 and halo 3
garbage games vs KZ2

[360isgreat]

I imagine 360 will start to lose multi plat eventually as compression gets to be a royal pain in the rear.. So if M$ doesnt launch a new console by next year expect some serious backlash from developers. Just not the same as it once was..

I really want to see accurate LIVE numbers i bet a lot have canceled.

[Foxgod]

Well duh, the 360 doesnt run any blu ray movies.
If Heavy rain was a game, then it would run on the 360.

[kingboy]

Try Again

http://www.gamekyo.com/vide...

[themyk]

really it's a movie. how do you know? have you seen any of the game? because if you have your the only person outside of the development team who has ever seen ANY of the game.

[Foxgod]

Theres has been several in game trailers, smartass.
This game doesnt have gameplay tho, the game is 100 % quicktime events.

Alan Wake will destroy heavy rain.

[themyk]

wrong smart ass what you've seen and what everyone else has seen is nothing more than a tech demo to show graphix, and camera angles. they have stated that that scene is not the game and that NOBODY HAS SEEN ONE SINGLE SECOND OF THIS GAME OUTSIDE THEIR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

you fail.

i think alan wake looks good by the way. i can't wait to play it on my friends 360 but i'm a gamer and i can appreciate all games.

[TreborRversed]

Foxgod, you do relise that the only trailer relased to the public is not any part of the game at all. Just a quick bodged up demo to show us all what it going to look like.

[themyk]

come on man don't give up. come on back for some more. i'm in the mood. are you?

[Shane Kim]

Foxgod got owned. I think that was enough for him for one day.

[Foxgod]

Believe what you want, dont get sad if it turns out that heavy run is a button event game.

[Narutone66]

cry Foxgod if MS decide to drop the 360 and release a new console to compete with the PS3. Right now, it is competing with PS2.

[-MoOkS-]

Heard it all before.

The fact is the ps3 and 360 are equal in terms of power, the 360 just has the edge thanks to the GPU. The processors are both equal, confirmed by an IBM employee, who worked on both chips...go look it up on google.

Anyway, i'm now 100% fully converted to the xbox 360. Check out my user bio to find out why.

[achira]

go kill yourself and do all us a favour. your knowledge is horrific. or go play halo3 and be happy. btw the ps3 is alot stronger than the x360, you see it in any game, you see it in the specs.

[lloyd_wonder]

"Shippy was talking strictly about the PowerPC unit's as being "about equal." It is absolutely true that the PowerPC chip on the Cell is virtually identical to the units used in the Xbox360 CPU. In fact, the three processors that make up the 360's Xenon are based on the Cell's PowerPC based PPE! There was a recent article that drew attention to this.

However, just because the PowerPC units in each chip are nearly identical does not mean that the Cell and Xenon are "about equal". Far from it. Here's the breakdown: The Cell has 8 active processors: 1 PowerPC (slow), 7 SPE (fast) The Xenon has 3 active processors: 3 PowerPC (slow) So you have 3 slow processors on the 360 vs 1 slow and 7 fast on the PS3. According to IBM's own benchmarks (available at IBM.com) we see that, because of the SPE's, that the Cell is, on average, an order of magnitude faster than the Xenon.

The weakpoint of the Cell processor is the PowerPC PPE. Fortunately the SPEs and superb memory architecture more than compensate. Unfortunately, the Xbox360 CPU has three processors based on the Cell's PPE and nothing else.

It is no wonder that, unlike the Cell, no one bothers using the Xenon to make supercomputers. It's just three poorly performing processors glued to a small 1MB of cache. Just the recipe for disastrous cache misses! The Xenon is easy to use because it's homogenous but in terms of performance potential it's rather lacking."

http://www.n4g.com:80/NewsC... lil bot :)

[themyk]

thank god.

[themyk]

don't bother. all i see is mooks with his fingers in his ears going la la la la la la la la la la la 360 la la la 360 la la la.

[Rhythmattic]

Mooks... Mooks.. Mooks....

I've called you out a few times..

After our little banter in a past thread regarding your statement "And NZ > whatever country you are from."

To which my reply " 'm in Australia. Actually the same country you have listed on your Profile. NZ not working for ya ? "

So now your living in NA ?
Mmm

BTW, Questioning your User Bio the other day, it seems you've gone and updated (today) to cover your stupidity. What should I believe ? Made you think did I ?

[mooks1]

all ur games look like iphone games vs Heavy rain , killzone 2 and Uncharted2

is there any next gen game on X360?

[mooks1]

http://www.forbes.com/forbe...

CELL = 230 gflops

xenon 77 gflops

not to mention that CELL can raytrace --something impossible on XFART 260

[tehReaper]

Let's see, we have Lloyd over there quoting a PS3 fanboy comment. I'm not surprised there.

Then we have Nasim posting links to an article that was made in 2006 before the PS3 was released. Not to mention it also said:

"Some techies say PlayStation 3, which may debut by midyear and could end up in 100 million homes in five years, will usher in the next microchip revolution."

Sad :(

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...does anyone know if the ChatBox 360 can Run a game like...PONG??? ;-D

Can it Run this ok??? -

http://www.simondelliott.co...

[BYE]

Yep but only 2 player mode, it's not capable of doing AI ;)

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...just 1 Bat ;-D Or 2 Bats + No ball ;-D Or no numbers, you have to do the scores yourself ;-D

[xbollox]

the 360 can run pong at 1080p: this is why it is a true nextgen HD console!

have you seen pong at 1080p?
amazing!
looks way better on 360

bubble

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

@xbollox ;) I think it was running off a P.C tho, hidden away!!! ;-D

The ChatBots see a P.C running a Game and think their Pile of JUNK can run it!!! ;-D

Bubbles4u2;)

As that famous Film went-

'NPD...your my only Hope' ;-D

[ssipmraw]

wow those graphics are incredible!?

[Foxgod]

Is this going to be the next thing that ps3 fans will use to claim that the 360 will be destroyed ?

Its getting a bit embarrassing that you guys still believe that.

[Shadow Flare]

Where's 360's killzone 2? It doesn't have the equivalent because it doesn't have the power

[Nergardless]

where is this hate coming from obvisously u don't like heavy rain so what the f is u doing in here
if u weren't a fanboy u wouldn't bother but then again u obvisouly r a fanboy so go waste some more time of ur poor life

@below: if u have read the quote where he does not say it's impossible
u wouldn't talk about this stupid post
anyway what is making kz2 so special for all ur haters(both sides)
In MY OPINION kz is a great game because it's well balanced i can care less about prerendered smoke and stuff like that but that doesn't mean i have to mention that game 24/7 when some dumba$$ decides to post another stupid fanboy stuff , so once and for all GET OVER IT killzone is just a game stop mentioning it all the time no matter the point of view

what do u mean with destroy will alan jump out ur box and jump in heavy rain and beat the isht out of it???
dont think so now go and look for a threat where u can talk about alan wake -fanboy

[Foxgod]

Kz2 is overrated, you guys are just giving virtual honor to KZ2 to make it seem special.
So safe me your stupid politics.

But its just a shooter that brings nothing new, does nothing new, and makes nothing look bad either.

Its no point in arguing with a ps3 fan about the gfx in kz2, they are at best equal to Geow2, nothing more.

@above, what i am doing here ?
Whenever the 360 is mentioned in any way, especially with ungrounded claims like in this article, then i am around!

Oh, and the 360 does have its own heavy rain, its called Alan Wake, its made by a better/bigger developer, got a bigger budget, and its been in development for longer.
Alan wake will destroy heavy rain.

[kingboy]

Your`e right it actually plays like a cutscene
http://www.gamekyo.com/vide...

Try again..& stick to sales related articles

[Game13a13y]

huh... how about MGS 4? its the GOTY for many sites and the 360 has no games so far that can touch MGS 4 graphics level, still need any more proof?

[Disccordia]

Knowing Remedy's history, I'm sure Alan Wake will be fantastic but...We've never even seen any in game footage of it. All the images have come from a high end PC. Hell, I don't even know what sort of game it is, but I was always under the impression it was similar to Heavy Rain which I thought you criticised earlier for being "just some qte's". ;)

[Foxgod]

There is footage from alan wake, where he walks into a small house during daylight.

And about Metal gear 4, good model, not so good looking environment, i really wouldnt use Mg4 as an example for gfx.

[Oner]

And that footage is from the PC VERSION...way too many misinformed idiots spewing false "facts" everywhere around here.

[ultimolu]

Didn't 360 fanboys use 'multiplatforms' to claim the PS3 was inferior to the 360? So now when a developer who's developing exclusively for the PS3 says something, you write it off?

Did it ever occur to you that he could have meant anything with that statement? It could have been about space for all we know.

[Cheboury]

Factor 5 game designer/director had made the same lame statement about LAIR.

These devs should stiffle and stop creating reasons for fanboys to go off on each other.

Sure, I can't wait for Heavy Rain... however, the game better have some slick gameplay and totally live up to the hype...

There's no game that can't be done on the Xbox 360 as there are no games that can't be done on the PS3.

[Nergardless]

weak journalism all over the place and as above already mentioned what thehell should he say anyway he said it already in a neutral way "i THINK it couldn't run ...." - stupid "news" looking for hits by challenging fanboys to jump on it

[gnothe1]

its always the devs that's making exclusive games for the PS3 that's making these CLAIMS!! its like they have to say that in order to get you guys interested!! there's been so many games claimed to not be able to run on the 360 its a shame.they claimed DMC4 can only be done on the PS3 an the 360 version looked better,they claimed that tekken 6 uses the cell an can only be done on the PS3 both games are coming to the 360,you guys better hope the 360 version doesnt look better,an judging from soul caliber im thinking it just might!! but almost every multiplat game made looks an performs better on the 360 just how they did last gen with the xbox 1 beating out the PS2.I just don't buy that crap.BOTH systems can kick out great graphics an many of you guys claim PS3 graphical dominance but from what I'm looking at its not there!!

[meetajhu]

Come on man the shared 512 ram of xbox360 made Halo 3 textures mind blowing and insane character animations. I think Halo 3 was impossible on PS3 because PS3 can only run games like Killzone 2, Uncharted,Heavy Rain which are low profile games. MEH.

Heavy Rain is another graphical benchmark on any platform. Can't wait. Xbox360 is got a basic Power-PC server processor. Game development in that system is lame.

[MaximusPrime]

may be possible on ps3 if the game can work with PS3 controller and go 1080p instead of 620p.

Either way, i dont want to see Halo 3 on ps3.

[Sayai jin]

Hmmm. For me it really does not matter if this is true or not. I own a PS3 as well.

You know gaming has reached a all time high with revenue topping that of the music industry, gaming is making front page news, etc. We should all sit at awe at what the gaming industry has done and where it is headed. Gaming is not just imaged as just for a past time or just for kids. It's legitimate. But....you know what is also bringing gaming to an all time low....the fan boys... who just can not sit back a play games. All you see is PS3 does sell blah blah blah or the 360 can not do blah blah blah. You know what, the so called gaming media does not help with article titles that end in a question mark; Can the PS3 make a comeback? or Is MGS4 coming to the 360? Man they know how to get the fanboys fires going.

[Jockamo]

....there have been a lot of devs saying the exact same thing recently.

I mean...why would you say anything at all? Are you trying to compare yourself to another console or are you trying to set the standard?

It's not like they needed to say anything like that during the PS2/XBox war. Microsoft didn't have to say anything either.

I honestly think Sony is asking them to publicly say, " **** can't be run on the 360." Just to get some kind of recognition with competitor comparisons.

Seems petty to me. It won't be too terribly long until a new console comes out. What then? What will Sony say about their console?

They're digging themselves into a big ol hole.

[themyk]

thats a good comment.

your right their have been some developers saying the same thing lately. you might be right, oooooooooorrrrrrrrr they are saying it because it's true. i don't know, you don't know. all we can do is read them and come here and compare penis sizes. what ever.

[PotNoodle]

I'd expect this from sony's first party.. maybe they're planning on buying up this studio? :)

[Disccordia]

It would be a good match. QD make very ambitious games and Sony seem quite content on giving their devs maximum freedom to try different things

[maspi]

there's an entire Moore's law cycle between ps3 and xbox360.it was clear from the start. the gap will be bigger in the next few months.

[divideby0]

another sensationalized Header which does not relate to the article content.
he didnt say it cant, he said he "thinks" it cant.

how about backing it up with some facts

[SyluxPT]

F*** Off!
xD
how much$$$$$??

[Nergardless]

approved by what u said and the logic in ur post is that terrible that i wonder how old u r

[Sez]

i own a ps3 and I'm still not buying this garbage game.

[Shane Kim]

Well look at this. Aren't you one of those bots that says PS3 owners don't buy games? Shouldn't that include you as well? Or are logic not present in the merry world of Microsoft?

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I own a 360.I'm not buying a single game for it this year.

I guess that evens us out right?

[ultimolu]

Spoken like a true arrogant jerk.

Haven't even played the game yet and is already calling it garbage.

Like I said, you are a joke!

[Narutone66]

and I'm not buying a garbage console like the 360. *fixed*.

[maverick1191]

saying alan wake destroys heavy rain is pathetic theres no gameplay of alan wake for a start and know one knows nothing about it but from gameplay of heavy rain it would take the developers of alan wake to do a hell of a lot to beat it that game alone sh!ts on any 360 game but mooks and foxgod won't care they believe gears 2 is better than kz2 LMAO

[SpoonyRedMage]

This is obvious PR stuff that Sony has told them to say. I think it's pretty obvious by the fact that they all phrase it more or less the same and never explain why.

Wow, MS should have done this last gen.

[ultimolu]

Wow, they have got to be the second developer who actually said that.

[dj55555555]

Lets hope the big developers are taking notice of all these games being released on the PS3, its starting to make them look very lazy.

[LLSMOOTH]

Same type of argument this guy is making about Heavy Rain

[devilhunterx]

MP3 controls arent very easy on the arms...

[QuackPot]

but it would be gimped as it won't be able to do EVERYTHING the developer intended.

LBP, Killzone 2, even Uncharted could be done on the ps2, but again, they won't be able to do everything intended(including the graphics) for the original games on the Ps3.

MAG is a MMOshooter that intends to do 256 players on the Ps3. Even, fervent x360 fans would admit that their console won't be doing likewise anytime soon - if at all.

One console clearly isn't as powerful as the other. Which one?

Now you know what developers mean when they state "it can't be done on..."

Sheez.

BTW: Quantic Dream are an experienced multiplat developer so will know how to program for the x360, out of professionalism.

[Godmars290]

And thus it couldn't be done AS IS on the 360.

LBP was first considered for the 360 supposedly, yet it wouldn't have had half the initial content of the main game. And then there would be all the issues with how the extra content is handled. MS policies with XBL would have restricted it.

[dj55555555]

...... the PS3 has proof of its capabilities the 360 has 12yo fan boys saying it can do the same.

[rakzztar]

ps3 fanboys are 11 years and 3 months old?
:D

[PStu'rd]

Sony, ps3 is in its 3rd year now. Even though 360 is a year older and has a much greater userbase, its still whooping your ass monthly in US as well as EU. Not only is it outselling your clusterf@ck console but its also still driving away all your previously loyal 3rd party developers and fans. I wont even mention how much better wii is doing.

Now its time to grow up and just stop!! Stop marketing your unwanted 3rd place console exclusively to these stupid brainwashed internet ps3 monkeys that only care about graphics and nothing else. They dont play games, they dont support your blu ray campaign outside of bickering and talking trash on some forum and they certainly dont buy games.

Its time to move forward and think about your real fans, casual gamers and smart people who are just way to intelligent to fall for these kind of idiotic PR lies, people who once see Resident evil 5 on 360 and immediately realize your console just aint technically better. Gamers who care about gameplay and gameplay only, gamers who dont write suicide letters and similarly embarrassing stuff everytime a 3rd party company decides to expand their existing fanbase or just doesnt want to risk ending bankrupt after realizing your current userbase will just use their games for list wars.

Time to stop hyping crap like KZ2 and Heavy Rain just because they look good and start hyping great games like valkyria chronicles and infamous. They may not look as good as the best 360 games but they sure do play great.

Just stop sony, stop brainwashing your useless userbase even further and move on. Start a decent TV marketing campaing and just drop this petty fake online propaganda crap. Grow up sony, grow up.

[dj55555555]

Spoken like pure ignorance, you may like to live in the past and see no progression and innovation but others like to invest in new fun and exciting technology

[PStu'rd]

Yes, exciting technology AKA the PC. And the fun/innovative thing is called Wii.

The ps3 has nothing to do with innovation nor exciting technology.

[dj55555555]

so unparalleled graphics, sandbox environments where objects don’t disappear when you turn your head and everything you do in that world is remembered (this is why rockstar are leaning more to the PS3 with the next GTA incarnation), megatextures, Blu-ray, Pioneers new blu-ray disk that hold 400GB and the fact that every new exclusive is pushing the machine to new unfound levels all this doesn’t matter?

Also read the article "Interview: David Cage" you will see that this sort of game has never been attempted before

[LONEWOLF231]

Well whatever all i can say is that this game is gonna be insane!

[Salta_nelas]

Nothing new really, the technology embodied on ps3 exclusives is different and shows much more quality overall.
There is a clear difference between most ps3 exclusives and 360 ones until proven otherwise. Those who keep denying it are just blind fanboys who keep deluding themselves as gamers.

[gameman]

......TEH 512RAM!!!!!!

[XPC HARDonE]

"I think this game can only be done on Playstation 3," he said. "We used all the SPUs.

You never know till you try

[prejur]

Indigo Prophecy was an incredible gaming experience. I have high hopes for this one. NTM it's absolutely gorgeous.

I hope it comes to PC.

[Goldsack]

..first Heavenly Sword > 1000 Enemys on Screen
..then Uncharted > Outstanding Animation
..thirdly GT5Pro > native1080p60fps
..fourth MGS4 > over 35gig WTF
..fifth LBP > Amazing Physics
..and last not least Killzone 2 > Physics, Lighting, Animation

besides the PSn titles like Flower, Stardust and Wipeout.

100% Pownage :-)

thank u sony

[Foxgod]

Physics in Kz2 ?
Amazing physics, lbp ?
Heavenly sword, only 1000 ?

[devilhunterx]

his head spasmed

[paracardium]

360 is the past..even the guys at EBgames say 360 is about 4 year life span lol.

[Ashriel]

that's a dangerous statement, if the 720 comes out next year, a lot of people will be pissed off.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

I dont have loyalty to both msft and sony,I say let the games talk. Thats when its time to put up or shut up. With that said,it takes more than just graphics.the grief of trying to get into a MP game in Geow2 is enough to drive me to say I had much more fun with Geow1 MP than Geow2 Mp.

[LTC]

O.k bot
Show me a game that matches U2, MGS4, GOW3, KZ2 and GT5 graphically.

Cmon BOT show me and then your claims of 360 being equal will be valid.
What u waiting for ? Show me INGAME footage, until then STFU.

[Narutone66]

He's one of pp's multiple accounts.

[patterson]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e...

[OldParr]

wow what a stupid comment!!!

[mirroredderorrim]

Heh. Would probably have to rewrite the whole game for the 360, with changes that were specific to the PS3's architecture being significantly redone.

So... if he means "Cannot run on the 360 as it is now"

Of course.

[batman2million]

yes of course, cause all the need to do is make a game with amazing graphics and it'll beat everything...right? Gameplay is so over rated...

[CypH]

open your eyes and you will see the truth

[RealtorMDandDC]

until I see different....there best looking game is Gears of War 2....which looks a tiny bit better than the first...?????

Lets take a look at the progression of R1-R2..graphic and content....

Uncharted 1-2...sames goes here upgrade in graphic, physics..and content...

Blind guess...same will go for R&CTOD1-2....better graphics more content...

We are only 3 years in on PS3 life cycle..and we have seen games such as...Folklore...Uncharted..MGS 4...R&CTOD....KZ2......and then ther is still...infamous.....GOW3....H eavy Rain...MAG....and other games that will blow our minds...only three years in and I am extremly excited to be a PS3 owner..

FYI: Log over 80hrs in KZ2....has a little over 13K points...and have only three more badges to get before I get everything..

I believe that Sony will own all at E3..they have the sickest lineup for the next 15 months...just exclusives...and what amazes me...360 15 month lineup is extremly limited!!!does this mean 360Next is right aorund the corner???

PS3/360 owner...

[Gun_Senshi]

He can say anything :P Heavy Rain will rock!

[SonyRulz]

So they release ONE GAME...that wasn't even very fun(I quit about halfway through from boredom), and they can say "whatever they want"? Wow.

[ELite_Ghost]

lol this isn't news...

[Guitardr85]

I think it's horrible how people get disagrees from this article by posting a comment that tries to disarm the flamebait wars...I'm sure I'll get disagrees just for pointing this out...

[xg-ei8ht]

Newsflash, Joe bloggs from whatsit'sname has said that the xbox360 can't run anything./s

[Pootangpie]

heck Nintendo could probably go out of there way and say you know what The New Zelda is only possible on wii the fact that the game was also multiplatform at one time and now has Sony publish proves that seriosly it's a little fishy you Sony fanboys like to claim that every exclusive for your system is a graphical pusher seriously no one is buying it

[ForROME]

I dont believe he is speaking graphics level but the code of all the processes running in sync with the graphics, so sure it can put it on the same screen but that screen on a 360 would chug.

[Pootangpie]

Way wrong the game wasn't even be used on PS3 hardware it was used on PC hardware in 2005 the Demo was titled the casting sony saw it liked it and Paid quantic dreams to use it in there booth saying oh look this is what the PS3 can do even though it was built on PC hardware at first and was planned to be multiplatform at one time

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Come on! they say this about every PS3 exclusive. Pure B.S.

PS3 is supposed to run games at higher FPS and higher resolution, things that can actually be measured. So far it has failed to do so, anything less can and most likely will be done on 360.

[Droid Control]

it would be out now.

Because its easier to program for.

2010 isn't it now? Not even this year?
Will it even show at E3?

Vapourware???

[dj55555555]

yes true, but it would be regurgitating old ideas using old technology, stay with the 360 you wont be able to handle the concept of new ideas.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

oh I too can make a lame (and perhaps even a reasonable) argument ......... if Alan Wake was made for the PC, it would be out by....

[gameman]

IF it was this IF was that too bad now this is what i call a bot in denial mode XD

[ShiftyLookingCow]

PS3 can't run Wii games :(
Linux can't run Windows Media Center :(
Dead 360 cant play games :(
blah blah

[fossilfern]

Well MS have no one else to blame but themselves. released a console that is out dated so it can get a head start and unreliable technology 360 fanbots should stop moaning and calling these articles BS. I remember not to long ago that MS and its fanboys claiming that blu-ray isn't needed and now look i dont know one game bar MGS4 that has used a full single layer of a blu-ray disc while we are seeing mutli disc games on the 360 becoming the norm which is a 2 generations ago technique (MGS1 on the PS1. 2 Discs). But like i said in another post if developers are gonna use the 360 as the lead console and try to keep the game on one disc it will just hold this generation back like it already has with GTA 4:

http://www.computerandvideo...

So troll all you want Xbots the evidence is all around you but you just dont want to admit it

[Bladestar]

mmmm.. where did I hear this before?

Ohh Yeah... Factor 5... and Free Radical Design said the very same thing... and we all know how things end up for them...

This guy should wait until his game is release before bragging about a game that can cause his entire company to burn like it happened the two companies I mentioned.

I think it's part of Sony's approval process that developers have to ay, "[enter game here] cannot run on 360" before they are even allowed to release a game on the platform.... it's how Sony thinks people will buy their console... sadly... it has not work so far... look at all the exclusive PS3 games... the developers say the same thing....

but when the games come out.. only a handful of people share their enthusiasm... gamers ignore these super sophisticated game and no one buys them... lol.

[Pennywise]

BeLOW me.

[Sez]

i agree 100%. looks like this will be another dev. that will be closing down because this game won't sell. only on the ps3. where people only watch movies. lol :D

[_Q_]

I'm surprised how many devs are coming out to say this same line. I do believe inFamous can be done on the 360 but hell im not a dev =P
but I dont think believe 360 can match those visuals as far a Heavy Rain. I've not seen anything remotely close on 360. Gears2 looks great but no...

[Morituri]

Can’t we just be honest with ourselves for a moment without sounding like someone just maligned the honor of a loved one?

First off, I live in a multi-platform household. I have the green Halo edition Xbox, a 20 gig 360, a PS2, a 60gb PS3, a PSP, a Gameboy advance, a Gamecube and a Wii. I’ve been playing games for damn near 20 years.

I bought my 360 as soon as I found out Oblivion was being developed for it. My mind was blown at the graphics as I exited the dungeons – on a standard definition set no less.
I got my PS3 when I bought my first 1080p tv. Mind blown once again.

I don’t get mad as soon as I hear a comment like this. I have enough experience with games to make my own judgment. I don’t need a degree in computer science or the ability to spout technical specifications at the drop of a hat to tell you what is most important to a “gamer” ; the end result – the games.

My 360 rocks. I’ve never RROD’d , however it does have the most annoying habit of scratching my discs and giving me disc read errors. That’s the only reason I now seldom turn it on, if not for some xbox exclusive. Mass Effect was the benchmark for me as far as graphics on the 360, and that was despite numerous graphical problems and hiccups.

But c’mon, does anyone credible – and by that I mean someone who at least owns both consoles - really think that the 360 can best the PS3 in most categories? Can it really beat the PS3 in the things that you can see with the naked eye, and also in the going-ons under the hood?

C’mon people. Just because I own a Lamborghini, doesn’t mean I’m going to spit all over my Corvette. They are both beautiful machines. But they are different. They handle differently, and one is going to have more power than the other, but you know what? They will both get me to where I want to go.

I have no doubt that the 720 will be an absolute monster. (Lets hope MS learned their lessons in the manufacturing department.) But this generation has a clear boss.

Just stop being so sensitive, stop taking it all so personal and enjoy the best that every system has to offer.

[Phantom_T]

The people who counter with "yeah but if they took this and that out and did this it could run"
But then it wouldn't be the same game,would it?
*points at picture
THAT is what they're saying cannot run,not some watered down version.
THAT,the one they are making right now.
Technically I could paint the Mona Lisa but I'm betting it won't be as good as the original.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

You cant buy every fkn game . Like me , i have to sacrifice some games cause i can't afford them all . Thats why i stick to Sony exclusive only ...one mans garbage is another mans treasure

@bladestar ... Dude we know you like your 360 now shut up already with paragraphs of nonsense....all am hearing is 260 this 360 that . nobody buys this nobody buys that . have you ever stop to think that with all these exclusive Sony is not banking on one game . They give there fans variety of first party games to play with . now shut your pie hole and say hello to your fkn avatar that can't fkn walk . the gimp 260 can't make its avatar walk. gimp 260 gimp avatar. just look

[dude_uk]

opps wrong reply

[N2NOther]

So. What?

[keysy420]

im hearing this alot more that games cant run on 360 and who ever said that about gta4 running better on 360. hey xbot that game was a port from 360 and dumbed down from its original version to fit on the 360. the next rockstar ps3 exclusive will probably be gta5 which wont be able to run on 360

[tordavis]

It can't run on the 360. They started to make the game on the 360 and it wouldn't work so they made it a PS3 exclusive.

Seriously though, where do people come up with this stuff?

[keysy420]

blade star your an idiot. lets look at this the xbox only sells like 5 games so everyone plays those. on the ps3 people play like 20 to 30 games. hey now use your brain and see why, sales for one game dont dominate on the ps3 opposed to its competition. come on you can do it use that brain of yours. your an idiot

[keysy420]

droid that 360 isnt easier to program for anymore

[biggsftw]

PS3 can do more than the 360, plain and simple! Why is this so hard to understand, and why is it so bad? You still get your halo 3 and gears of war and fable and whatever else. You should be happy with that. Sorry if the PS3 does some things better, thats just how it is! 360 has xbox live which I think is better than psn (except that its not free) but I dont get all mad about it. When graphics have reached a plateau like they have, then it comes back to processing power, which the PS3 has over the 360, so of course you can do more. Its sad that someone tells you 1+1=2 and you still dont believe them, jesus people this is sad. Whats even worse, is most 360 owners are going to get a ps3 at one point or another because they would be stupid to ignore all the games they grew up playing on ps2. God of war, versus, gt5, metal gear, among others, these are titles that I really enjoyed and do not make me miss my xbox one bit. I think most of these fanboy problems lie at home. Either you guys get picked on a lot or your family life sucks. Either way, dont take it out on the rest of us.

[keysy420]

ps turd the 360 is only driving away 3rd party exclusive for deals to do exclusives in the future so that has to hurt. for future games for the 360. ouch. and why are you talking about the ps3 is in the lead in europe even after being out a year longer. when you ue your brain that means that its not selling faster over their. and last week in the use your precious 360 only beat out the ps3 by 50000 units thats not alot that's like one day sales. so im sure you believe everything MS tells you about how they are whopping ps3 ass. its just not the case the articles you read are about america only, not only that they are baised to aerican product so of course your going to think that the 360 is dominating. but its not true. its like if you ever go to canada and watch the news. you would know you were in a different country and that works for your sources too

[keysy420]

by the way why does gears 2 suck so much compared to gears 1

[xg-ei8ht]

I've got a PS3 and a Wii.

Morituri

The only problem i have with this argument is this.

I Have GTA4 on PS3. It runs well for the most part, but slows down here and there. and it installs. runs 640p no aa.

I've only had a quick go of the 360 version. Which runs completely off the disc, runs 720p with aa. it's not perfect and there is some slowdown.

Yet rockstar said that dvd held them back.

If this is the case why does the PS3 version have no aa and lower rez.

I then think about about rockstar getting a hefty sum from microsoft and the fact it's rockstars first proper game for the PS3.

Is this the reason the PS3 runs in a lower rez, because space is not an issue.

And this is the trouble most of the time. Variables. Too many of them.

I'm not a crazy fanboy as sum people believe, although i do like the PS3, but i like it because alot of other things it does besides games as well.

Rockstar must have dropped the rez on the PS3 version to get it running better, and that begs the question. Was it due to lack of power on the PS3, or was it due to rockstar not fully using the SPU'S. Which after all, help out the RSX immensely.

I understand the 360 will most likely always have AA in a game, 2aa now i'm thinking more often because games are getting more power hungry.

I don't hate the 360 at all, nor the wii or any other system. I get involved because it's fun most of the time.

Comparisons of other games seem to be skewed, no matter the source, i've seen it on Gametrailers,lens of truth.

Do you have GTA4. I'd like to see a fair comparison of games.

I've yet to play infamous, mag,uncharted 2.

But they all look good.

What do you guys think.

[Morituri]

xg-ei8ht

Funny enough, I have gta4 for both systems.

I'd only surmise that it was optimized on the 360 and not on the PS3. I don’t know whether it was developed on 360 and ported over to the PS3, but for a long time, that’s how the companies were doing things. We have seen the abysmal results in games such as Orange Box. Maybe their deadline prohibited them from putting more work into the game. I don't know. If you take the example of Oblivion, the lag in release time actually yielded a better running game on the later PS3 version (albeit with the lack of consideration and support on Bethesda's part).

The learning curve for the ps3 was a major hurdle for developers early on. It is getting much better now as we can visibly see that the quality of ps3 games is improving drastically.

Point is, I think that if the developer chooses to dedicate the time and money, at the very least they could come out with identical games on multiplats. The differences in quality I find unacceptable.

[jerethdagryphon]

the reason gta4 runs odly on ps3 is like you said its rockstars fist ps3 title

all the assets music textures models were made idependently of both consoles and given a polygon budjet thats not the issue

cell has 7 spus one used for the os leaving 6 and a ppc core

a lot of early games focused on the 3.2ghz duel thread ppc core as the primary processor and didnt farm off jobs to the spus, hich is something that has to be coed for its not automatic.

in essence they were running a game meant for multi core on a single core with a little help from spus.

thats my understanding anyways

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Could this be a move by Sony PR? I mean they are still trying to get that "edge" in the public eye that will catapult the PS3 ahead of the 360 in N.A. outside of a price cut. So is is too far fetched to think that Sony is asking these developers to start publically saying their games could only run on the PS3?

I mean I am sure the statements are true in that if the game stayed single disc in its exact form it wouldn't run on the 360... but I have a hard time believing any game couldn't be ported over to either system given both systems internal limitations.

[MainEventX]

It seems people who develop on PS3 always say the 360 can't handle the game, but people who develop on 360 never say the PS3 can't handle a game. The PS3 is actually more powerful enough said straight from developers mouths.

[Bladestar]

That's because developers making exclusive games for the xbox 360 do not need to over hype and act as if their game is the 2nd coming in order to make the money they spent making the game back... So, what should they?

I mean... seriously... what possibly gain can a developer who makes profits on games get by trying to undermine a hardware they do not develop on nor make money on the hardware that's sold?

Xbox 360 exclusive developer do not have to use cheap shot against another platform in order to create enough hype for their game in order for it to not suffer the same fate as every other over hyped PS3 game that's forgotten 1-2 months after it's release...

by the way... what happened to Kill Zone 2? no where to be seen on NPD... lol!

I do agree with you about a "There is a Trend"... lol! Most PS3 games where developers say these very same words... end up flopping... Haze and Lair are just two of the many...

[Major_Tom]

Right Bladestar.. you're still living in 2007 where multiplats looked better and that was the end all and be all. Stop living in the past man, straight up hardware wise the Xbox 360 is older, the PS3 is newer that's all it comes down to. Newer TECH vs. Older Tech.

It's a game console really it's pathetic to argue over.

[Allowen]

Lets look at facts shall we ?

if the xbox360 can make games like this why they have none yet for the system ?
For a VG that has been on the market for so long and no heavy graphic power game on the market besides a rasoable cool looking game like GoW2?

I am not saying that MGS4 or KZ2 are the best games ever cuz I did not like much those games and I am a Sony fanboy but at least they looks awesome and Xbox360 "talks" too much and they have none yet.

Who knows if Heavy Rain wil be a real fun game but at least it looks amazing !

All that MS has for the xbox360 in terms of graphics that is better then the PS3 are those multiplataform games that some how the devs always makes the PS3 version to look a tinny or much worst looking the the 360 version.

[Raoh]

i agree that execs need to stop playing the fanboy game but...

to play devils advocate for a sec. this isnt the first time this has been said.

the difference i would think if you look at it closely is the games that say this. MGS4, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, and even square enix said this about why ffxiii versus wont be coming to 360.

most multiplatform or standard developed games are made on a pc tool set then ported to consoles on its most basic methods.

the ps3 exclusives are using a proprietary ps3 engine, to have those games work on 360 or any other console would require a rebuild of the original code removing the use of spu's etc.

360/ps3 (multiplatform) games = pc tool, compression, port to console

360 exlusives games = pc tool, compression, port to console

ps3 exclusives = original engine designed to run on the ps3 exclusive architecture, taking advantage of the ps3's cores and spus etc as well as blu ray space.

again using square enix who loves microsoft. said they would port ffxiii versus to 360 as well if it werent for the fact that the game was designed on a ps3 proprietary engine, which by the way will be the last time they use this engine.

before someone tells me to go screw myself regarding architecture. think about what developers have said about the ps3. you can look at insomniacs pdf regarding ps3 development for further research.

AI can run on one spu

lighthing on another spu

graphics on another spu

etc etc etc

these are not options on the 360

going back to david cages comments. he said it would be extremely difficult to do it on the 360 (not impossible) but it wouldnt be a simple port it would be a brand new design from the ground up. this is pretty much the exact same thing 360 exclusive developers say about the ps3.

its not that valve and others cant make ps3 games they just think it would be too difficult to start over.

[xenovis]

To non-developer fanboys, and the press, this sounds as if the 360 hardware isn't capable. If you are going to make an exclusive game for any console you tune your engine to utilize the CPU, registers, memory, bus, and overall architecture, optimally. There is no doubt that Heavy Rain's engine is specific to the PS3 architechure, and without a an engine overhaul running on a 360 or a PC for that matter, would be completely out of the question.

To bring my point home, I know that all of my GBA homebrew games will not run on a PS3 or 360. Because I have utilized an engine specific to the GBA architecture, NOT because the systems hardware isn't physically capable of handling the game.

[Javier19]

Yeh Yeh Yeh

whatever, the amount of times i have heard that lol

it could people, easily, and yano whats funny? i bet it would have better graphics

[whateva]

lol

[Ldubbz]

That there is no reasoning with the faithful, they are just right. Dont you know this site is filled with a bunch of programmers with intimate knowledge of system hardware?

Serioulsy, this is getting to be laugh-out-loud funny. Truth that we all know is PS3 fans have been butthurt ever since they saw Gears, and they still are. I cant really explain it any other way.

I ask some common sense questions....if Ps3 games supposedly looks SOOOO much better now (when did this happen?) why dont the reviews reflect that? I still see games like Killzone 2 and iNfamous get lower graphic ratings than Gears 2.

And what about sales? Supposedly the only weapon of the 360 fan? If these games were supposedly so much better, and look so much more advanced, why dont the sales back it up? Thats right, its sony's advertising, or lack there of. Right.

All this talk is pure BS around here. Why worry about what Heavy Rain (stupid name btw) can do, when the trailer from Lost Planet 2 literally blows away ANY of these so-called superior PS3 exclusives in the first place? Same with Fight Night 4.

And I own a PS3 too, and I have yet to see what the hell people are talking about. Killzone 2 was "meh", inFamous look pretty ok, but nothing revolutionary. But whatevs....the SDF will speak on N4G, the real world (u know, the one that...matters) will keep speaking with their controller.

[Morituri]

So you are saying that Lost Planet (which will probably go multiplat) looks better than Heavy Rain, God of War III, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2?

Really?

Of course this is not math, and everyone is quite entitled to their opinions - which ultimately mean zilch - but even the most die hard MS fanatics would have a hard time keeping a straight face saying those comments.

And in regards to your "butthurt" comment;
You must be having flashbacks of a particularly bad experience. Gears is a graphical powerhouse, but not to the extent that it surpasses any of the its graphical peers on the PS3.

[The Holy Trinity]

Whats wrong with those statements? I too agree that FN4 and LP2 have some of the best GFX I have ever seen.

BUt I do notice that you did ignore the common sense questions...because they make sense?

[aldesko]

haha, the classic "I own both systems so I'm not biased"

If you really do own both systems, I feel bad that there are real gamers out there who can't afford both systems, yet people like you can get your mom to drop 500 dollars so you can play one game and ignore everything else it has to offer.

If you really owned both systems, these fanboy articles wouldn't get under your skin so much.

[Ldubbz]

People like my Mom? That was a good one. I dont know how old you think I am, but I makes my own money kiddo, as an industry professional, which is why I am going to E3 free of charge.

I actually bought my PS3 on eBay with a coupon I had, paying only $260 for a PS3 with a 250GB drive and LBP and UT3. I would not have dropped over $400 for just a PS3, and still wouldnt. I rented Killzone 2 at launch, and thought it was OK at best. Thats my completely honest assessment, and you can check my comment history to see what I thought of it as I played it. Unlike so many on here that trash games they have never even played, and you know thats true.

I dont consider myself biased (though I am sure I am to some degree), which is why I own all three. and why I bought a PSP on launch. And why I probably own more Sony products than you do. And besides the 360, MS can suck b@lls, cuz Im a Mac guy myself (I am an editor...).

But when I see BS, I call it like it is. I know I am arguing with a bunch of 17 year old know it alls with 30 accounts each, but whether or not they say it or acknowledge it, common sense has an imapact. When you read the truth or something sensible, you cant deny it, even if you do so on here just to save face.

Under my skin? Nah, this is just entertainment for me. I fire up my 360, PS3, or Wii and chuckle at most of this madness.

[aldesko]

Maybe you're not biased, but you seem to have a fascination with bringing up sony fanboys and starting sh!t. I will admit, though, that they run rampart here and it's entertaining watching their reactions.

However, I hate reading comments that actually seem intelligent, but then start pandering to fanboy BS. If you're just trying to get a rise out of people, I can understand.. but if the stuff you type is genuine, then you are indeed biased.

[Ldubbz]

I will be the first to admit that I sometimes fight fire with fire (how appropriate here...lol), but its usually more sarcastic (or sardonic?) in my mind, though plain text may or may not convey that.

But you and I both know what persuasion holds weight around here. I think where things stem for me honestly, is just being a gamer.

[cheapness1]

Lol you make a comment to dispute what developers are saying so you must have some intimate knowledge of the consoles yourself, right?

I'm sorry but devs saying a game couldn't be done on 360 in an interview on some random gamer site does NOT constitute awesome marketing, the majority of people will never hear that it's not like that's written on the box! If you want devs to stop saying it, tell interviewers to stop ASKING!!!

The fact of the matter is the only people that have to argue with the developers are 360 fanboys, PS3 owners get to play inFamous (AAA), Killzone2 (AAA), Uncharted2, Heavy Rain & God of War3 this year which regardless of whether they can/can't be done will never be on the 360 whereas Lost Planet2 is likely to follow it's predecessors footsteps and join FN4 on the PS3.

[ballsofsteel]

considering we haven't seen a single game get close to KZ2 i don't see how this statement in completely invalid or why people disagree. the PS3 has god3, GT5, heavy rain, and uncharted 2 coming that might challenge KZ2 while all 360 has is Alan wake even though we know very little about it and what we've seen is most likely from PC version. I don't know why but people keep thinking that PS3 and 360 are about equal in power when that is simply not the case. besides gears 1 and 2 360 doesn't have many games that are impressive from a technical standpoint while on PS3 we go from exclusive to exclusive each being more impressive than the last hell look at infamous people are already saying its one of the most impressive sand box games this gen and soon before you know it we might be talking about gow3 or heavy rain.

[SonyRulz]

Heavy Rain is a f*cking point-n-click adventure compared to Alan Wake....just 3 more weeks until the bomb drops from Remedy. He really wants to talk about PHYSICS? Alan Wake has physics that will duplicate scenes from Twister...and it's a real-time, fully dynamic weather system.

It's sad how every PS3 dev feels the need to spout the same nonsense, just to promote their game, because Sony is too cheap/poor/stupid to do it for them. When Heavy Rain releases, you won't see one single T.V. ad for it...not one...and it will sell less than the AVERAGE 360 multiplatform game. FACT.

[Raoh]

Your reply stopped making sense when you said point and click.

one thing about Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit is that it was one of the few and truly open world/interactive games out.

it had a few camera and controller mechanic issues but in no way was it a point and click... point and click is diablo type gameplay..

Your alan wake is a title i'm actually interested in seeing.. but the alan wake fanboys are mislead.. it was demo running on a multi core processor pc to later be compressed etc to hopefully work on 360...

The ps3 is used to create you get greatness... the pc is used to create greatness and hope to fit it on the 360

here is a video of Rome Modeled using the Cell Processor (at the 5:00 mark they will tell you they are running the same processor that is in the playstation 3... )

[CypH]

if not then the xbots cant handle the truth

[fatam69]

Proof?

[Droid Control]

droids wouldn't know what to do with a good game if it bit them on the ass.

Thats why exclusioves like BLP and MGS and others always FLOP on PS3.

Real gamers are BUYING and PLAYING games on XBox 360.
WHen it isn't Red ringing, scratching discs, and freezing that is.

[rakzztar]

they're Pissed3
so they continue to diss 360
:P.

[kozsg]

PS3 can't and WILL NOT RUN Alan Wake ;)

[Ichiryoka]

Heavy rain already looks miles better than Alan wake. All we have seen of Alan wake is a cinematic, and yet we have seen game play from Heavy rain that looks better than Alan wakes only cinematic.

TO put thing into perspective even more, the version of Heavy Rain we saw was just a Demo. What we saw will not be included in the game.

http://www.gamekyo.com/vide...

This ^^^ an early DEMO of the game already looks better and plays better than Alan Wake, I say that because we have seen NO game play of Alan Wake.

[kozsg]

Alan Wake is a sandbox game with no loading, all we have seen (from gameplay prespective) is only this tech demo http://www.youtube.com/watc... which was 3 years ago!

On the other hand, Heavy rain is just like Farenheit (or Indigo prophecy) with much better graphics.This type of game is no sandbox so don't try to compare different type of games,there is no point doing this.

[Mindsucker]

ok bud were did you hear that one did a fairy whisper that in your ear.dude I can say the same thing XBOX 360 can not run super Mario bros. I have nothing to back it up I am not a developer so will you believe me.

[Ichiryoka]

From what you showed me it just confirmed that heavy rain will look better, and all I compared was the graphics, not game play. I cant compare game play due to all I'm seeing is Alan running around like hes retarded. Look at the running animations... Next time research my comment and take note that all I was comparing was graphics. lol sad fan-boy.

And I'm looking foward to playing Alan wake but heavy rain will still look better.

[DMasta718]

I see the comment section of this article is ruined already.

Well I can't wait for Heavy Rain. One of my top games for 2009(Hoping it makes 09 release).

[TheOutsider]

No SH*T it can't run on the 360 crap! That picture alone up top would require 1 disc! dream on bots!

[sephy 9 2 5]

Yeah it was rumored to be multi-platform in the beginning. However, the latest demonstration looks worlds better than the 2005 footage....so evidently going exclusive allowed them to improve and focus on a specific architecture.

[Pootangpie]

It's been 4 years since they showed that footage of course it looks better all games get better looking the more development goes on and LOL considering it was done on the PC and not consoles and they had to start from scratch for the PS3 how would it look better then it's PC counterpart the funny thing is 360 is better at handling PC ports then the PS3 but yet the PS3 is suppose to be more powerful right so why it has trouble with ports better yet how come Games can look pretty much the same on 360 if development starts on PS3 but yet PS3 games look worse when starting on developement on 360 Sony fanboys excuse is developers are lazy here is some commen sense all hardware whizs no If a console has better more powerful hardware all games will look better or the same on that console regardless of difficulty with development Xbox didn't have trouble smoking the **** out of the PS2 and it was harder to develop for at launch when a game was ported from the PS2 to the Xbox games always looked either the same or better not worse so if the Xbox doesn't have promblems then what's the PS3 excuse if it's more poweful like you idiots like to claim there should be no sacrfice in graphics quality when porting from 360 to PS3 or the PC for that matter it's also funny because every developer that says it can only be done on PS3 have been published by sony name how many multiplatform developer said there game can only be done on the PS3? none right it's not rocket science people

[Magna Farta]

This article utilizes all the SPEs...Stupidity Processing Entities...only possible on N4G!!

Whenever this topic comes up, why can't people just keep their mouths shut?

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

what the developers are really saying is that the 360 is crap ' . lets not sugar coat it here pls.

[tiamat5]

I guess we never will really know seeing that these game will never come out for the Xbox 360. If they did we would see exactly if it is true. But then again Bluray is bigger then a normal Xbox 360 disc. They already had to compromise the Japanese language for Final Fantasy XIII on the Xbox 360 version. We shall see what else they have to compromise in the coming months.

[Seferoth75]

Well they already sacrificed game quality to put it on an inferior console. Who really cares if the US version has the original language? I care more about the game running better and that will obviously be on the 360. Too many games have already proven it.

[Anon1974]

I think another banishment is in order. You see, the problem is your posting in the "Gamer Zone", as you may have noticed above. This zone is meant for gamers to discuss game issues. Clearly you have no intention of sticking to the topic at hand. Bashing a console because you're ignorant isn't really what Gamer Zone is for.

[omegaheat]

Isn't this the old tactic used to hype your game or console by undermining the opposing console. As for the website that put up this article, it definitely got the hits it was aiming for. We're being used by these websites.

[Rakeen]

yea 360 cant run this

[-MD-]

They only say this to sell copies of the game.

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

The only thing the xbox can run is UNREAL ENGINES other then that, nothing more. Im sick of that look.

[salivalalus]

So, heres whats going on and I want to know if anyone else thinks what is happening is total bull shhit. I updated my ps3 with the latest firmware update, it downloaded correctly but during install stops at 60% and gives me an 800 error code. Now Ive tried resting it doing everything possible to get it to install and still nothing crashes at 60%. I call Sony saying hey this is your problem i put your software onto your hardware and now nothing works when it was perfectly fine before i attempted this update. They are telling me to give them 150 bucks to fix it and they will not accept responsibility for whats happening and fix it for free...Bull shhit.

[Hallucinate]

take out your hard drive and put it back in..that worked for me

[Seferoth75]

Removing a Hard drive with bad data will do nothing. When you reinsert the HD it still has the bad data on it. Yeah you just pulled yours out and put it back in but millions of others are having to pay huge repair bills to Sony for what should be a free fix...

Kinda easy to see you're not telling the truth. HD just dont fix themselves and erase bad data simply by removing them

[Hallucinate]

your calling me a liar? i had the exact same fwcking problem i know it doesnt make any sense i didnt undertstand it either but it fwcking worked

[ChickeyCantor]

But what effect does it have?
Think about it. You just take it out and reinsert it.
No changes

[Perkel]

uuuu quite horrible , try pressing more than 5 sec power button

[air1]

who cares..

micro can say something like so what, it wont have 360 sales..

[dogmeat eater]

Slut

[FFXI101]

Very often, when we are talking about how decent a game is or the quality of games, all they see and talk about is the sales number. I feel sorry for them.

[air1]

i bet sony wish they was a sales slut. we know it wont be any time soon as they declared a " late comeback"

you 3rd place homo

you will realize how important sales are when their is no more ps3's and games for that system..

[Shane Kim]

By your logic air1, PS3, Sony and all it's games would be burned to the ground and out of bussiness. You bots reeeeally like to talk about sales and how Sony is doomed. Yet we get more exclusive games per day then you bots get per year. And guess what, Sony and PS3 aren't going anywhere.

[air1]

shane i didnt mean like today the ps3 is going to burn but if sales keep going the way it is it will burn down in the future.

shane realy how else can we measure success? you fanatics hate to hear the word sales and thats only cause of how bad the ps3 is doing. yea kz2 got great rating and you might love it but for a game to cost 50 mill and only sell a little over a mill is a shame,shane... we all know you sony fanatics dont care if it only sold 10 copies but truth of the matter is that sales keep great games coming not reviews.

the ps3 gets more games per day? wtf? this is the first slump year the 360 has had and thats only cause you clowns just cant wait till e3 thats just a few weeks away but had the patience to wait almost 2 frikin years for a real AAA exclusive mgs4, the fvcking irony i swear....

[bacchus23]

http://amoretech.blogspot.c...

[dogmeat eater]

I mean look at the textures!

[gusman354]

DAVID CAGE:pac-man 25th anniversary cannot run on the 360.hahahahaha

[ssipmraw]

as if you didnt know that already

[xg-ei8ht]

Pootangpie - You must be young. The way you type and blurt everything out, try spacing out your thoughts in a rational way.

I understand your point of saying if ps2 ported to xbox looked better, then why isn't 360 - PS3 Better.

But you answered your own question. But i'll explain alittle deeper.

xbox360 - 3 cores(All the same, More or less like your pc, but stripped of all non useful parts. 6 threads, 2 per core.

PS3 - 1 Core(more or less same as 360)With aditional SPU's. 7 useful ones, 1 for os. That leaves 6 for gaming etc.

When a game coded for 360 uses 2-3 cores and is then ported over to PS3. The PS3 only has one core. So the game runs sluggish. Because it does not have the 2nd and 3rd core. Unless the game is recoded for the PS3 and uses the SPU'S.

The 1 core on the PS3 tells the 6SPU'S what to do and when to do it.

That's why games that are written for the PS3 Exclusively, run well and look good. Nobody knows how these games would look and run were they on the 360 as well.

I've heard lately that Fight night 4 uses a proper physics engine and runs in 1080p native on the PS3.

I've not seen a 360 comparison, so i cannot compare, i'm sure someone will do one soon.

http://www.thekoalition.com...

Watch this and tell me what you think.

[Father Murder X]

I bet you it would sell on the 360. See how I just made a stupid comment talking out of my &@&. People want good games regardless of whether it can run on one system or another. I mean what is the guy suppose to say!!

[maxbyte]

Am I a PS3 owner? YES
Do I own a Wii? yes (hiding behind family friendly console argument).
Have I ever wanted to own a 360? YES, and it was because of one game. ONE. Mass Effect. You see, I was this close to buy a 360 (regardless of me spitting on anything 360 related) just to be able to play that magnificent game.
Luckily I was able to see it run at a friend's place. Since then I never looked back. Having to wait for a system to load the scenery, then load the textures while the world is already playable... ugghhh, this I did not have to do even on my Sinclair Spectrum+.
I'll pass man... 360 was good enough... once... like, in 2005... But to compare it to PS3 is just laughable.
IF it isn't Heavy Rain today, it will be some other game tomorrow. It is bound to happen. There will be a game that will require a supercomputer (PS3=supercomputing, 360!=supercomputing) to run. So, it is not a question "if" but "when". It is inevitable.

[Seferoth75]

LOL poor PS3 fans nothing to brag about but PR BS.. Really expect the guy to be honest about his exclusive game? Of course not. THe ONLY people who still think PS3 is superior to anything are fanboys. The only examples they can give are exclusives too. Which isnt really proof of anything.
That's like me saying Halo 3 couldnt run on PS3. WE'll never really know if it could or not. However there have been too many multi platform games to come out and look and play better on 360.

Most dev's are even using PS3 first to develop on and not the 360 because they know anything they make on PS3 will run on 360 but make a game that uses 360 to its fullest and it wont run well at all on PS3. System just cant handle what the 360 can.

You dont develop for the strongest then dumb down. You develop for the weakest and then port over. It happened with PS2 and now its happening to PS3. ANyone that doesnt agree with the truth is a fanboy. So I already know I am getting lots of disagrees but I also know each one is from a fanboy that cant prove me wrong.

PS3 is dead last for a reason.It is the least played for a reason and it has the poorest software sales on any console for a reason. But most of the people on this site are so blinded by Sony they'l' never admit it. Those of us that do not hold one company over the others can clearly see just how poorly PS3 is doing.

[maxbyte]

@Seferoth75
you sly, sly... person. You clever you. You are in fact a PS3 fanboy masking as a 360 owner. This will not pass here. 360 fanboys are no crybabies. Busted!
To the second point - you have no idea what to develop a game means, do you? Or, you are having problems expressing yourself in written form. Either way, your comment, somehow, came out as garbled text.

[Perkel]

all devs on 360 can't do better graphic than GoW which is worse than heavenly sword 1st gen game on ps3, so meybe it's true ? :>

[free2game365]

No one would care about this game if it weren't PS3 exclusive. That and it looks like ass except for the character models. No one wants to play a game where all of the gameplay is made up of QTEs.

[Persistantthug]

The reason I've been excited about this game is because of the promise of story that hasn't really been done before.

A good reason for alot of the excitement from everyone is the fact that this game is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE and pretty much all recent exclusives have been AAA quality.

Heavy Rain so far is looking like a winner.

[ShadowCK]

Lol. What a total idiot. He doesn't even know what he is talking about.

If Killzone 2 can be done on the Xbox 360. So can Heavy Rain.

[robotnik]

Did that hurt xbots?

[360_Rules]

Yeah just like FFXIII and MGS4 can't run on the 360! Hahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha Alan Wake is going to look better then Heavy rain too and have bigger environments. Oh and Alan Wake can't run on the PS3! ;-P

[Hallucinate]

ff13= dumbed down
MGS4...its not even on the xbox and if it was it wouldnt be anywhere near the same qaulity of the ps3 because of the compression

[Mindsucker]

Well this game loks nice but how dose it play,

On a side note it is pretty funny watching the XBDF come out sounding just like the SDF come on kids its just a game

[Ichiryoka]

You didnt see the link I posted earlier that shows how game play will work in the game?

If not then...

http://www.gamekyo.com/vide...

[Mindsucker]

Right on man that dose sound prety cool ans that is pretty much the definition of sandbox game play

[xtreampro]

actually if Alan Wake was made on the the PS3 it would be bigger and would look better, but unfortunately the company went with the wrong console, obviously because when they started production on Alan Wake the only console available was the 360, my guess is that they've probably switched over to the PS3 or are making a PS3 version of the game

[ChickeyCantor]

unless you actually tried it you can't really tell?
Its all about taking advantage of the hardware, optimizationnn.

Xbox does have 3 cores, multithreaded, So i want this guys to actually try it first before he goes there.
(i dont own a 360 but a PS3, just don't like this kind of BS from developer)

" "I think this game can only be done on Playstation 3," he said. "We used all the SPUs."

This my friend doesn't mean jack.
Kojima also said he was fully using the PS3...but its up to the developers to make it as efficient as possible. That he used all SPUs doesn't mean it can only be done wit all SPUs, it can also mean that they have messy code running.
Or in fact their software isn't making proper use of the hardware.

" "I think to do the visuals, and all the stuff we’re doing would be too difficult [on the 360]. "

So not impossible, its what you "think".

I seriously can't stand such developers, its BS.

[O man, the world is shaking, fanboys at the speed of light heading towards me]
[And for the sake of showing, FOR ONCE, that one of you have have a brain instead of a rabid fanboy mentality, if you disagree, tell me why you disagree]

Edit:
If i recall correctly, there was this article that said that xbox360's CPU have a bit of tech Cell uses....?

[Pootangpie]

that the 360 is holding it back they whine and throw hissy fits remember when FF13 was exclusive to PS3 they were all boasting and saying it's a game the 360 will never get or could handle now that is multiplatform they brush it off as looking terrible and outdated GTA is the same case there all Complaining and saying GTA5 should be exclusive to PS3 and blah blah blah blah everytime a PS3 exclusive goes multiplatform Sony fanboys suddenly lose intrest in the game DMC4 and tekken 6 are perfect examples ironic isn't it :I

xg-ei8ht I saw the demo aside from supereb animation textures and Player models look plain and bland it looks very similar to FarCry 2 only not as good

[ela06sd]

Cmon guys. David was asked a question and he gave an answer which we hope is truthful. Its not him who is trying to start a war of words or support fanboyism, its the guy asking the question.

[CobraKai]

These guys should make Shenmue 3

[PS360PCROCKS]

Lame. It's not coming to the 360 so it doesn't matter.

[sdm123]

Yes I own a 360 ! yes I Once owned a ps3 but It got stolen ....lol and yes I once owned a wii and it suck because it did not impress me ! So I sold it .... so what these people are saying makes all the since in the world !

Yes I do think that the ps3 has wayyy more power and is a power house !

but the 360's problems are well known !
And if microsoft could fix it then the 360 would be on top of the world !

ps3 has free online !

and the 360 makes you pay for online play ! lol

so people it is up to you to decide your fate !

[BobbySaget]

The guy above me is REETTTARRDDEED. I purposely bought my 360 because i want to pay 50$ for the better online experience. And currently the 360 has hardly any problems. Its failure rate is currently 16%, which is the same as the PS2.

-anyways, Since your all such fanboys, i will be fanboyish back!

Heavy Rain cannot be done on the 360? Awww, poor Sony. Whatever it takes to sell more PS3's right? I will let them have this one, because i feel bad for 3rd place :(.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Tell me...

...what makes it a superior online experience?

...where are you getting your 16%?

...what good games will you be buying this year?

...is 3rd place the important thing here or is the best lineup of games?

...did you think any of this through?

[BX81]

These are some of the worst comments I've ever read! Who cares? This game can run only on this and that. The problem with all of these droids is out of control. The only way you are going to get the most out of gaming is by owning multiple systems. Now you can say the 360 is this and the PS3 is that..oh yeah don't forget the WII, but until you own all systems and the kick ass games that come with them you are just experiencing half of the gaming experience. I pretty sure gaming was supposed to be about fun not malfunctioning droids with the ability to type.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

It's about time developers started using the PS3's extra power. ;o

[Droid Control]

EA or Ubisoft say that game X wouldn't run on the 360 or visa versa, THEN i'll believe it. This is NOTHING but CHEAP publicity trick.

Well, i tell you what David Cage, you better stay with sony for the rest of your career, because if you release a game ever again on a M$ console, i won't be buying it.

Just cause sony are signing your checks these days, don't mean you can diss a massive percentage of your fan community.

I brought FARENHEIT!

How many droids here brought it for PS2?

It sold better on xbox than PS2!
And heavy rain would undoubtably sell better on xbox 360/PC.

WELL FRAK YOU CAGE!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Why are we (PS3 owners) even on this site anymore?

Let's just give them their console war and go play our games?

We have games to play...the best games.

Why do we care what they think anymore?

[Redgehammer]

The HUMANS ARE DEAD

[Mindsucker]

What dose that mean? or have to do with?
anyway I am an american to and I love america and support America onehundred percent tht is why I am so offended by an american company treating americans like a bunch of fools he first xbox was the best. no questions there the 360 is a piece and is nothing that I would want to admit to as a symble of America what happened to us hear we used to be stronge now it seems like some American companies are weak and pathetic- BTW this is in responce to you original messeage not your edited one weak man weak

[hadouken]

well it's kind of hard to argue with him as the 360 has been out for over 3 years and has nothing that looks like THAT

[111111]

I dont like sonies hardware mostly. But i have to admit that ps3 and 360
are on the same level, much as snes and megadrive were back in the day.
Of course this game would run, with some tweaks here and there on 360.
Such a comment is just to fuel the raging fanboy wars. If square manages to have its latest final fantasy for both why cant you dave?

[Redgehammer]

you were talking to me haduken
i edited the comment because i realized that i was participating in this stupidity which is the console wars, even by taking the stance that i do. And as far as i am concerned Microsoft has taken care of any issues i have had with my console promptly, professionally, and arguably most importantly free. IMO what is more American then realizing that a mistake was made accepting responsibility for said mistake , and then making it right?

[Redgehammer]

hadouken for spelling your name wrong.