Killzone 2 would have sold 4 million on Xbox 360

Mike Ferro Writes:

"Sony recently announced that Killzone 2 sold over a million units. A million during the middle of the year is great by any measure, but it does seem a bit low for the title. The game is without a doubt a AAA title with excellent reviews, so what went wrong? If the title was on the Xbox 360 undoubtedly it would have sold at least four million units.

Killzone 2 is probably the biggest title to hit 2009 thus far, yet its sales were not as high as expected. Don't get me wrong a million units is a great achievement, but it doesn't really match the reviews given by the vast majority of the gaming community. With over 21 million PS3s in the wild there is something fishy going on here."

[Expy]

No it wouldn't have because it's first party.

[pwnsause]

first party games sell. the marketing for this game was just not there. they lost so many opportunities to sell this game (ex. Super Bowl) they could of advertised the game there, not to mention it was at approx around a month before the game was to launch. yet they advertise it a week prior. seriously, people need to get fired for that.

[gaffyh]

I don't care how much it sold, as long as I got a great game, nothing else matters really does it? Or do you guys seriously think WiiSports is the best game ever because it has sold the most?

[MURKERR]

lets not kid ourselves with fanboy crap considering the SPUs needed, after 3 years the best 360 has produced graphically is gears which is 360s benchmark,MGS4,uncharted and definately KZ2 have way surpassed that

kz2 will sell great over a sustained period as history as proven with 95% of ps3 games

[table]

but the games graphics would suffer on the 360 so we are speaking hypothetically here. I want to play a great game for my own enjoyment, not because of how much it can sell.

I don't understand why people on this site care so much for sales. These major companys must be lighting their cigars with £20 notes and laughing so hard that they crap themselves when they read some of the comments you get on this site - fanboys cant really get their heads around that statement...

A note on sales;
The PS3 will always have a variety of games that will sell well. Rarely do we see a none shooter on the 360 selling, but we see this all the time on PS3 e.g. street fighter and resident evil selling better on the ps3 with a smaller install base.

[heroicjanitor]

They would've had to cut the development budget, which microsoft would definitely have no qualms about considering their first party policies, so yeah it would've been advertised better on the 360. Would've been a worse game though.

[Labwarriorbot]

What? You mean like how the Lost & Damned has sold 4 million at least...Oh wait.

Speculation and fanboy dreams do not mix. Halo wars has barely sold 1 million. Keep talking trash about Ps3 yo.

Fact is, 360 is done.

EDIT: You can disagree but the 360 is done.
- 9 billion in red
- MS fired half of the XBOX division
- Sony has 9 Triple A blockbusters lined up for 2009. Microsoft has zero.
- Blu Ray has taken over as the standard medium
- Bungie is gone. Guerilla, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, ICO, Santa Monica, Naughty Dog are just WARMING UP.
- RROD and ERROR 74.
- How long do you want this list to be? I can name 40 other items.

[7thNightvolley]

dude please dont try to compare kz2 and gears2 coz in the time which killzone2 was made gears1 and gears 2 came out that is less that is 2 years each for dev...! what do u think would happen if gears2 took 5 years like killzone2 did and they had all the time to even make a new engine for gears2.. what do u think would happen do u even sit and think of this i dont think so.. coz ur fanboy hat is on and u are not looking at the big picture here. All i am saying is this if MS decides to make a proper proprietary engine for the 360 just as sony is doing ppl would be shocked what they can pull off.

[7thNightvolley]

ps3 is most suited to muliti games that are not fpshooters, games like res5 and gow and car racing etc would do so well on the system not as such as fps .. unlike the 360 that is a FPS heaven, no matter how u look at it that is one genre 360 audience 95 percent of the time play at least i know all my ppl i have met that play a 360 love to shoot stuff. so if they say kz2 would do 4 million on 360 well personally i would beileve it would do even 6 mil.

[ravinash]

I sure it may have sold more in the US if it was on 360, but as time goes on and more people start getting PS3s, it will keep selling.
in the rest of the world the total number of PS3 is equal to 360 (higher in some countries, lower in others) so it would make much difference there.

It might not be a kid friendly as Halo, so it won't get the same numbers, but I know there are a lot of people who want to play it but are just waiting for the price tag on a PS3 to go down.

[Doctor_Doom]

GG need to add "The Movie" to KZ2 cover so, it will look like this Killzone 2 : The Movie and trust me guys it will sell like no tomorrow

[Trollimite]

would have sold 7 million copies on the wii. that dosent mean it belongs on that system.

amirite!

[All-3]

Sales SHOULDN'T hurt your personal enjoyment of Killzone 2... it was a great game - IMO as well... BUT..

SALES <--- can indicate how POPULAR a game is - YES?

As far as Killzone 2 goes... it WAS a super hyped game and one of the MOST talked about games leading up to its release - so stop with the lack of marketing chit-chat. The game just ISN'T as popular as many hoped it would be.

The reality so far is:

#1) It was not the PS3 system-seller it was hoped to be.

#2) It has not been the Triple-A 1st party exclusive PS3 shooter to beat or even come close to the much larger and faster selling Xbox 360 shooters like Halo 3 or Gears of War ... at least NOT within the same time frames and install base numbers.

NO - sales shouldn't matter at all concerning YOUR personal enjoyment of the game... but sales CAN show how popular a game is at the moment, and it appears that Killzone 2 with a PS3 install base of 21 Million... IS NOT as popular as Xbox 360 games such as Halo 3, Gears of War were for the 360 when the 360 install base was LESS THAN 21 million units.

Even Halo Wars reached more than one million units worldwide faster than Killzone 2... so perhaps Killzone 2 just isn't as popular as many want it to be?

[MURKERR]

i prefer ps3,but im far from a fanboy,fact of the matter is 360s best is gears which has been bested by not one but a few games graphically, and if you want to talk about timeframe then TOO HUMAN should be graphically head and shoulders above the rest

your points have now been nulled

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Can you prove this or are you just taking this random cypher out of your butthole?

[pixelsword]

So whatever.

[raztad]

@All-3

1) It was not the PS3 system-seller it was hoped to be.

Not it wasnt. I think is mostly a Sony's fault. KZ2 could use some advertising, KZ2 is essentially a new IP, unknown outside teh internetzz. That said, game has sold pretty well worldwide, and it will keep selling.

#2) It has not been the Triple-A 1st party exclusive

Quality wise KZ2 is beyond AAA is AAAA, but after reading a lot of comments on this furum I got the feeling that KZ2 is the game many 360 fans wish (secretly) be on their system :D, and because they know it will not then they hate it to death.

[Genesis5]

Well I guess we'll never know will we. That and GOW III, Uncharted 2 and Infamous might sell more too. Doesn't mean you'll ever get to play them unless you buy a PS3.

[edhe]

"No it wouldn't have because it's first party. "

And there you have the problem with the first party studio model.

Sony want the exclusivity, MS let them do their own thing with some cash in had deals for timed exclusives. Sony method screws great devs out of a whole other platform of sales, MS allows them to expand.

Port any first party title to the 360 effectively and i'm sure they'd earn a few more million off it. What's more.. Sony would get cash too.

First party exclusivity became a bad idea as soon as this gen got running and the crash hit. If we want good devs to get their Dues they cannot be constricted by publishers. It's only worth it if the title's blockbuster yet 'cheap' to produce, like Gears [10m dev costs, 5m+ sold.]

wonder how viva pinata for DS sold...hm, .39m, that's a fair few bob - should've released it in Japan...

Honestly, port out killzone2, LBP and MGS4 and try *not* to make money.

[Lifendz]

Very funny opening comment. Bubbles up.

[RememberThe357]

Do you understand the concept of a first-part studio?

They are entirely owned and financed by the console manufacturer. They get payed to make exclusive games, no matter the sales. Being a first party developer is a damn good deal.

On Sony's side, their first party is the only reason their console is selling right now. If Sony didn't have the first-part they did, they'd be done. Sony's decision to bulk up their first party, was the best decision they made that gen. It's paying them back immensely.

You all know that even though Killzone 2 hasn't sold as much as it was expected to, GG is already working on the next title.

[FlameBaitGod]

Lol love how the people with multiple acc's are disagreeing and putting agrees with their post. They should put the disagrees and agrees like when u have to approve articles, that u need a certain thing changed in order to be able to use another acc to approve again. Wont say what tho :P

[videogamefreak]

one thing first, i don't think anyone in this thread is a game developer, including me. most of the crap i see posted in here is all argumentative. no one in this thread has any proof that killzone 2 couldn't be done on 360.

"maybe so, one thing though...360 couldn't run killzone 2", by murkker

you guys used to say final fantasy 13 couldn't be done on 360, now look!

the only thing that is a "problem" for 360 is disk space, not graphical capability.

[FlameBaitGod]

Who said FF couldn't be done on the 360 ? Cus from my understanding any game can be done in any console, the quality of the game is the one that changes.

[ThanatosDMC]

How cute... they want it on their 360s....

[pain777pas]

Shooters audience is a 360 audience and I think that Sony wanted to bring some 360 players to the PS3 with this game showing them that we have great shooters too. Xbox was founded upon shooters and shooters continue to be the big sellers for xbox owners IE gears and COD series. Truth is it would do better on the 360 because that is the taste of the user base. PS user base is not for shooters more RPGs and all types of games. I think that shooters will always sell better on the xbox because the NA market the largest videogame consumers will gravitate towards that for entertainment. This is not a bad thing. Sony is making games that will last. If COD MW2 is graphically close to KZ2 I will be suprised I played the demo again yesterday to show someoneand was alittle shocked at how everything looked so good the lighting and water and ground textures etc......... KZ2 is definitely a me too game but a really good one surpassing the champ in everyway though as always I have a soft spot for the champ and Halo is still very fun to play and listen too.

[Grown Folks Talk]

How many more times am I gonna see that BS? The friggin slo mo commercial was on every 5 minutes of every day. The game just didn't appeal to as many people as they thought it would. & don't start with the "Smart people think it's great, xbots just are scared of it." crap either. Everybody doesn't have the same tastes & likes. Everybody doesn't like the same foods, movies, music, cars, women/men, clothes, ect. Video games are no damn different.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

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[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

stop approving monotonous articles bashing sony's marketing. We already know they suck at marketing. We already know their marketing causes bad sales.

[Says you]

Just look at Halo 3 the only exclusive that XBox 360 fans care about since it sold 10 million Sony doesn't concentrate on one game to sell 10 million they can do what Microsoft did but since Sony has so many first party and second party studios they would like every game that is made from first party and second party to sell a million or more

and again Killzone 2 it would look like crap just like most of the XBox 360 games are! and if Microsoft promised that Killzone 2 will look like the trailer they will fail just like there doing this gen with there XBox 360 RROD and Er74 losing studios and third party exclusives and there exclusive and time exclusive and there no need for HDMI or 720 is the sweet spot or no need for 1080p, games that are sub HD hell Sony has more people online then them and they have been out longer then Sony's PS3

and of course not to mention it only took the PS3 2 years to reach 21 million but since it sold 2 million in the UK and 3 million in Japan that would mean it would be 23 milliion or 24 million considering PS3 might already be 22 million since Sony announced that they were at 21 million worldwide

and the XBox 360 only sold like what in 2 years 16 million but PS3 sold in a faster rate then that console.

[OmarJA]

Bubbles...

Well the bots are too dumb to realize that, i guess their just a little desperate this year.

[felidae]

lolol yeah eaxctly ... desperate ...lolol

[Insomnia_84]

a game sells 1 million in one month and a half on ONE console with just an ad on TV...how is that a bad thing??? 0_o

I bet you anything the developers think the opposite.

Remember this game has only been in one console not even on PC, there was no KZ condoms, no KZ toilet paper, no KZ on 7Eleven cups, no KZ cereal.

PS3 players are not paying for things that are supposed to be free like online gaming, themes, and there are no over-priced add-ons.

At the end, all that marketing and DLC deals on 360 come from the gamers pockets.

[Labwarriorbot]

WHEN the Lost and Damned and Halo wars finally sells 4 million units at least.

Until then, stupid xbots need to remember that the 360 is DONE FOR.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yet the PS3 has had more shooters in the past 7 months, SOCOM, Resistance 2 and Killzone 2. The 360 has had action games like Ninja Blade, RTS like Halo Wars and a bunch of JRPG's and one shooter "Gears 2"

Thats why droids are dumb, now go play Killzone 2... opps my bad none of you bought it.

[OmarJA]

I guess theses xbots will buy anything even flops as long it has good sales... :D

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Sony is still one of the top publishers in the market. They don't pay for 3rd party exclusives, which are becoming obsolete anyways. They build infrastructure and make games w/ their in house devs, which they have a lot more of.

All the prophet from these games go back to Sony. Sure, they have to pay for the dev. costs, but since they own so many devs they can share resources. Sometimes they use multiple devs. to make one game(KZ = Santa Monica/GG)

MS has Halo, Fable, Forza, and whatever crappy game Rare is working on. Those are pretty much all of their 1st party exclusives. Sony has Uncharted, GT, Motorstorm, MLB the Show, Resistance, Killzone, Folklore, Yakuza, inFAMOUS, - I would say a majority of the exclusives on PS3 are 1st party.

You don't think some of the money they're making of Blu Ray movies is going back to support games?

It would be interesting though if the devs. were holding back until the user base got bigger. They probably don't want to drop a gem like GT5 until they have a price cut and get more users.

[Narutone66]

Soulja Boy game?

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

Hmm...are there 4 Million working ChatBox 360's out there tho??? ;-D

+ The ChatBots are High today, just because they think the U.S.of.A is the only place in the World??? Bunch of imbeciles. How SAD.

+ COMING SOON to the ChatBox 360 at E3 09'!!! -

'NPD' DLC!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D

[Deadman64]

You all say how 'dumb' xbots are. But look at yourselves, just feeding off of each other. It's so sad. It is time to accept the fact that Killzone 2 did not do as well as it was hyped to be. Nothing wrong with that.

[green]

With Microsoft marketing power behind it, yes it would.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Maybe it would have sold 4 million on the 360. Only problem is the game ISN'T POSSIBLE on the 360, so it's a non-issue.

And as far as advertising is concerned, let me quote myself from yesterday:

"And I'm not saying absurd advertising doesn't work, because it does. What I am saying is that just won't cut this this generation. You can't just toss that much money at one game when you have over a dozen 1st/2nd party games coming out in a fiscal year that also need advertising. MS put that money into Halo 3 because they knew they could. Sony can't afford it; they have too many other games to advertise as well.

I'm not knocking MS for this....Sony has done it too. When they were starting out, they put a 100 million dollar advertising campaign for Final Fantasy VII. Because they had to. They didn't have the dozens of games and developers they had to worry about. Now they do, and the reason they made that happen is because they probably had a good idea things were going to come to a point like they are now, where multiplatform games just don't happen."

[green]

And as for marketing i believe it had enough marketing to warrant more sales,, after all they spent 2 million pounds (approximately 3.5 million dollars) on marketing in the UK alone http://www.rewiredmind.com/... .Now imagine that figure to be replicated for the rest of Europe and almost double for the hole of North America, and then you can see there is a problem.

EDIT:I kind of have this feeling that if Call of Duty 4 never saw the light of day on the ps3, that resistance 2 and Killzone 2 would have sold by the truck loads.None of my ps3 owning buddies don't own killzone 2 or resistance 2 because they don't want to leave COD4.

[MURKERR]

..

[SprSynJn]

While I agree marketing would have helped it sell more, I believe it was the difference in controls that drove people away. It seems these days that if it does not follow the same formula as every other game, it will not attract consumers. In short, if it had COD style controls, it would have sold 4 million for sure.

[mastiffchild]

I'm not so sure that it's just marketing that stopped killer sales for such a fabulous game this time round. R2 maybe butthis not so sure Uncharted-sertainly, VC and Folklore certainly as well but not necessarily KZ2.

Lets face it MS marketing things to death can't help everygame-not Banjo that's for sure. Recently them advertising RE4 and SF4 without mention they were available on Playstation3 didn't help the sales of those games on 360 either(not a nice practise either, imo)so marketing isn't the only factor here.

I feel the years of scepticism among the gaming press and the lacklustre furst game took their toll on floating gamers who may've picked it up(and most still might as it spreads by word of mouth that the game's great)but aren't as avid as us that check the nets often for news. No mainstream press gave KZ2 any great coverage herein UK and even when the ads came they still went over the heads of joesephine mcpublic and a week before release is way too late for teasers in any case-so yeah even with a budget they failed with the ad campaign but, as I said that's not all there is to it.

Long running and well loved franchises(bought heavily by PS3 owners) also released with greater presense around that time. AND the PS3 demographic isn't as shooter heavy as the 360 is. SF and RE have long running heritage on PS and big existing fanbases who'll possibly pick up KZ2 later in the year when Xmas CC bills are paid off and they finish laying the two games they pucked up despite being skint-not buying KZ2 as, to them, it seemed more of a risk and isn't really their genre.

So do I reckon on 4million sales in March for KZ2 if on 360? No, not a hope in hell. However, releasing about now after the two Capcom games with PS presense might have made more sense on PS3 add in a longer ad campaign(and more bog standard axplanatory one as well)and not dearer necessarily and the hype might have spread and the game arrived in a better window for sales off the bat.

I still feel safe in saying it'll easily clear 2.5 to 3 million WW by years end but the electric starts made by the likes of Gears and Halo are rare even for MS games and while COD games do well on 360 they're also established franchises. Hell even Gears1 didn't have the millstone of following a duffer as a new IP.

Point is the guy just wants to use something he can't possibly know to show us something we already do-that Sony cannot advertise well these days. Come back about the sales of Killzone2 ar Xmas and we'll see a different tale anyway.

[RememberThe357]

The think that SCEA is hold their money so push Infamous.

In the end it's not about how much you spend, it's about how you spend it. Sony used to be the King of advertising. Unfortunately for them, something happened, and now they can't sell sh*t.

[zenosaga04]

... But it's not on the 360 so get the f*** over it. You say in the first frigging paragraph what a great "AAA" game it is, so why does it matter how much it sold.

You don't get paid for it, it doesn't magically make the game better, so stop acting like it's the end all be all for gamers.

[Milk is for Babies]

Sales=money=ability to make more games. If your favorite games didn't sell enough you would never get a sequel. Sales really should matter to the everyday gamer because without success we wouldn't have as many good games to play. If Killzone 2 was the best game ever but didn't sell at all, Guerrilla would go bankrupt and say bye bye to KZ3. Ultimately, sales ARE the end-all, be-all for gamers.

[7thNightvolley]

sales are really important to the industry. more sales= not just more games but better quality games.

[PotNoodle]

I really wish sony didn't get rid of their old marketing contract with that company they were with for 15 years.

The same guys that made these adverts:

http://www.gametrailers.com...

They got rid of them at the start of 2008 iirc, right when the marketing just dropped off totally.

[evrfighter]

they REALLY must have been full of themselves to think the playstation name alone would sell their games. Not surprised really considering their "next-gen doesn't start till we say so" comment.

Great commercial btw. quite a shame they let them go.

[redsquad]

And if I was good looking, rich and had a magnetic personality I'd have a supermodel for a girlfriend.

The operative word there is "IF"...

Truth be told, I absolutely agree with the article. As such, it completely debunks the 'sales are everything' attitude prevelant in the anti-Sony camp.

[ssipmraw]

would have sold 2 million if it was also on the ps3

see how easy it is to spin things

[Foxgod]

no it wouldnt, you have some legit article that states that dlc sells better on psn, then live ?

[ssipmraw]

the likely hood of selling more on two consoles is imminent

[InfectedDK]

Stop the jealousy and buy a PS3 :)

[Too_Hyped]

yeah lol, these kids need to get a life. Get a paid job, stop crying and asking mummy and daddy. Then you'll stop being jealous of PS3 users.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I want stupid moronic racist kids shouting in the mic on PSN.

Maybe it's better retards keep playing Halo 2007 on Live.

[N2NOther]

I have a PS3 and I have Killzone 2. Doesn't change the fact that it's true. This game would have sold much more on 360.

[N2NOther]

Can the "disagreer" please state why they disagree? Or would that mean they actually have to form an argument and that's far too much trouble?

[Too_Hyped]

You can't run Killzone 2 on the 360, it would instantly overheat just trying.

The only game you can play now on 360 is 'sales'. It's a very funny game, plus your 360 won't overheat... but I still prefer Killzone 2, LBP, Uncharted, Valkyria Chronicles or MGS 4, the best games this generation.

[peeps]

yes but if you could run it on the 360...

i agree tbh, not cus i prefer the 360, infact i prefer my ps3 lol but killzone 2 is a great game that deserved all the praise it got, but sony's marketing is terrible. It sold well to people that were fans of the original and got envolved in the hype (through gaming websites like this 1), problem is, alot of people who probably would have given it a go don't really know anything about it, and arn't the sorta people who research games on websites.

so i really do think it would have sold better on 360, nothing to do with the console but just simply because as a first party title you know ms as a company would do everything it could to promote it.

[360 man]

EXZACTLY

[Too_Hyped]

Bu bu but... sales and wait for E3.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

"Bu bu but... Killzone 2 will destroy the 360 and Failio Whores and help sell a million PS3's, you just wait and see"

[OmarJA]

B-b-b-b-but teh salez is better than gamez... ;D

[theEnemy]

But the problem is,

Can it run KZ2 w/o any loss based on the PS3 version ?

[commodore64]

http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

Food for thought, Sony.

[xdye017]

It's proof that the majority of people buy a PS3 for watching blu-ray movies instead of a game console.

[koehler83]

Maybe. But it's not on Xbox.. so sad.

Maybe those 3 million other people should get a PS3 for this game they apparently want so bad.

Or maybe they just don't exist.

[360 man]

yh but how can they get the ps3 for killzone 2. if they know nothing bout da damn game

[EasilyTheBest]

The Sony Fanboys take on things above..... LOL rose tinted glasses LOL

Sony was winning last gen with the PS2.

Microsoft is winning Sony this gen, deal with it...

Or dont tell me, wait till ______________________ insert anything you pluck out of the air here...

Yes Sony, from mile in front 1st to 3rd, yes thats last...

Go ahead n compare prices, compare the most expensive PS3 with the cheapest 360...

Or you could just say the 360 has been out longer, yeah, Microsoft is sorry about that, next Gen they will wait till Sony are ready if that will make you feel better...

Perhaps you can say about the PS3s 10 year life, thats fine go ahead I will be playing the next gen console way b4 then...

I suppose you always have RROD RROD RROD RROD>>>>

n on n on

MUMPERS!!!

[MGOelite]

well let me guess you believe that all the things you just stated makes no difference on the total sales of each console and you think the reason is the 360 is so far ahead is cause its just "better"

if so you are a tard.

[redsquad]

So you said:
"Sony was winning last gen with the PS2.

Microsoft is winning Sony this gen, deal with it... "

Very subtle switch in emphasis mid sentence there chum... VERY clever. I bet you sooo wanted to put "Microsoft is winning this gen" but had to bite your metaphorical tongue when you remembered a little thing called the "Wii".

And no, WE don't have RROD, YOU do.

[topgeareasy]

would complain about 1 to 5 frames per second and screen tears @ only 600p

[Death]

Just a thought. 1 million in sales isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't seem like enough sales to match the hype. I bought Killzone 2 on day one and played it. It's pretty, but not as fun as I expected. The game screams co-op, but sadly the mode is missing. Halo and Gears both had co-op and sales were much higher. Perhaps gaming is more fun with a friend?

I disagree with the lack of advertising excuse. Everyone that owned a PS3 and just about every hardcore Xbox gamer knew about Killzone 2 for the last 3 years. At $460 for a PS3 and a copy of the game, advertising to the mass market would have been a monumental waste of money. If the mass market jumps in at $200, who would the target audience be for a multi-million dollar marketing campaign?

-Death

[Father Murder X]

Sometimes games are just not that good. I mean I saw the Killzone 2 commercials on television. The game looked dark, boring, and broody. It didn't scream play me at all. Actually the Haze commercial looked better that the one for Killzone 2. I mean just because it has good graphics and is an exclusive for our Ps3 doesn't mean that it is a must buy. I mean I really think that you guys are crazy when it came to the hype of this game. All I ever heard about was the physics, the lighting, etc. But when I played the game I wasn't impressed. They storyline sucks, the characters are forgettable, the gameplay is sluggish. Outside of the graphics which aren't that great as you make them out to be this game is unappealing. It is apparent that the hardcore fanboys bought the game but today it is all about reaching that casual gamer and this game just didn't do that. Flame me, take my bubbles but you know that I am telling the truth.

[DeadlyFire]

Maybe its better than what people though it would be though. KILLZONE one is the main factor in hindering KILLZONE 2s sales if anything KILLZONE one was not the perfect game in any way. KILLZONE 2 is supposed to be sluggish its what you get from a tactical type of game.

The launch ad did nothing for me as well. Oh Wow a bullet flying through the air. Nice, but not a selling point for the game. Would of been better to throw some gameplay in there.

As far as selling and the ad campaign the year isn't over yet and I bet Sony is planning to setup some more ads coming soon. Although it wouldn't be much of a surprise if they didn't. Sony has about 20 more exclusive games coming. Can't spend Millions just to advertise each one can they?

As far as causal gamer goes that is retarded. Its not all about causal gamers these days.

[redsquad]

Well I think KZ2 IS that good, but this article seems it suggest it doesn't really matter anyway.
MS would throw money at the advertsing for this game (if it was on their platform) and it would sell regardless of how good, bad or indifferent it was.

If an exact port of HALO 3 was released on PS3 (just suppose), would it sell 8,000,000? Of course not, but would that alter the perceived quality of the game? not in the slightest, so once again I say "sales do NOT equate to quality".

[otherZinc]

Perfect posts! Articles like this is why I don't have bubbles, thats ok, I make my true comments & read later.

SONY fans are delusional, you cant advertise average & expect great sales, SONY would've lost millions in advertising dollars.

Do some of you think its a coincidence that none of SONY games reach Halo or Gears status without being a pack-in. Perhaps the games are not that great, that should be taken into consideration.

Killzone 2, Uncharted, & Resistance are good games but not as good as many of you suggest. I've played & beat the famed Killzone 2, its good but lacking co-op, graphics good but not what most think, the lighting was garbage, physics were basic, average game. Average cant be marketed to stardom.

[bviperz]

Maybe it's not the quality of the game but the gamers themselves? Don't think you should knock the quality of the game because it didn't sell what you think it should, marketing or not. Put it this way, most consumers equate Halo 3 with XBOX360. Same could be said about Gears. Now take those same consumers and ask them what do they equate the PS3 with. Probably blu-ray. I believe, in time, PS3 gaming will catch on and games will sell more. But we can't say one way or another because sale numbers are just that, numbers. It doesn't answer the 'why so little/many' question.

[heyheyhey]

cool, i guess that would be 4 million insta-bricked consoles..

[LiL T]

wii fit would of sold 100mil if it was on xbox 360

[EasilyTheBest]

From a couple of years ago up until now the Sony hype machine really did work.... So if MS threw 50 million on a killzone conversion it wouldnt look as good as it does on the PS3?
They both have their strengths and weaknesses, some bits will possible look not as good while other bits will look better...
If the PS3 was so much more powerful the games that are on both consoles would always look better on PS3..
I dont care about hard to program or not....
If it was that much more powerful you would see it in every comparable game..

SNES and Megadrive were out the same time as the much more powerfull Neo Geo console, every comparable game on the Neo Geo looked way better graphics wise...

Sony fans on here have even said that if the Xbox 720 came out Xmas 2010 the 3rd and 4th generation of games on the PS3 would look as good or better than the 1st gen 720 games...
Take the blinkers off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please let some1 out there get me.....

[xBot Lemmings]

KZ2 on the 3FixMe will flop + broking online experience...

[Insomnia_84]

8vs8 with even more downgraded graphics for online play with lag.

[BadboyCivic]

it seems the argument now is that KZ2 cannot be done on the 360...but the numbers are in so deal with it!

[redsquad]

Bitter about what?
I have a great game that's sold well. If you see some form of 'bitterness' then it says more about you than I!

[Ninjamonkey]

Probably would have. MS would have marketed it better thats for sure...

But its first party, so we will never know...

[d0nT wOrrY]

it would sold more than PS3, the rrodbox would overheated,explode,E71,E74,dis k scratching and maybe new errors pop ups when it run KZ2, so every bot will buy another one just like when they buy another rrodbox again and again and again lol.

[Insomnia_84]

"" ERROR E666""
""Please insert a game the console can run""
""WARNING"
""Running this game WILL result in very hot consequences""

[d0nT wOrrY]

hahahahaahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhh
1 bubble for the laugh dude

[EasilyTheBest]

Superb....
"cool, i guess that would be 4 million insta-bricked consoles.. "

Just say RROD RROD RROD RROD..

MGO ----- What are you going on about.... Im just saying MS is Winning Sony, doesnt matter how.. They are, get over yourself.. Marketing, price, games its a lot of factors.
Microsoft is sorry its doing things so that they sell more Consoles and games than Sony..

Im a TARD! lololol Just keep saying TARD backwards to youself!

Before the 3 consoles came out what were MS, Sony and Nintendo expecting...
Now a couple of years have gone by...

Nintendo - Opens a bottle of wine every night YAYAYAY piss themselves laughing...

Microsoft - Very contented, never expected to be 8 million in front at this stage n never expected to sell so many games. Happy!

Sony - WHAT!!! the FXXK happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go on Sony fanboys, rip me to shreds...

[heyheyhey]

so basically..

you'd rather sales than quality.. fair play

[Insomnia_84]

OMFG!!!

Do you REALLY believe M$ is happy about the 360 this gen?? Do you think they are going to tell the public how they really feel AND WHY??

What happened when the PS3 was out selling the 360 for the whole 2008?? remember what M$ had to do?? Do you think they are happy with all the problems the 360 has? RROD, E74 Error, scratched discs, entire houses burnt, negative News on TV, RROD on Show floors(GDC, E3) and even in retail stores, not being able not beat the Wii in sells when the 360 is $50 cheaper...
Do you really think they are going to tell the public how they really feel AND WHY??

The 360 is cheap and you see and ad on every f@cking corner, fast food restaurant, TV, and even on the radio, there are A LOT of uninformed people(like M$ called them when they were selling the HDDVD add-on after it was officially dead) about this people I know from experience, and this is the kind of people that go with the masses.

Are you 360 only owners really that stupid??
Come on man!! think harder!!

[cereal_killa]

I love how you Muppet's continue with this supposed 8 million (shipped)lead over the PS3 how many of these are replaced from RROD I bet you $1 that 20% of this 8million (shipped) is replaced consoles. why do you think this system with such a high faulty rate is selling so well all I hear from people is I just bought a new one because my other one craped out on me and I wanted to get the Jasper board so i wont have any more problems.

On topic: Maybe it would have sold a little more on the 360 but at what cost graphics and game play may not be the same and you dam well know it's would be on at least 2-3 disks if it would have the same amount as the PS version.

[PirateThom]

I don't doubt it.

Microsoft would have beamed Helghast eyes onto the moon.

[Sez]

i love. every month you hear from sonyfanboy "oh 360 has no games" or "when (insert exclusive here)comes out. it will push ps3 sales" or my personal favorite "360 has nothing coming out this year". then when NPD report get posted. here comes the excuses. "oh it's because it wasn't marketed right" or "sales don't matter" or " we knew it wouldn't sell all that great". the excuses get better and better every month. SDF keep up the good work. i will keep laughing. you guys made my week.

@below.
yup. i love playing NPD. especially when it makes sonyfanboys look stupid in their claim that every exclusive that sony comes up with will push sales for the ps3. only to find out it fail to do so. i also love the back-peddling you guys do when said game falls short of sales exspectation. you guys are so funny.

@xBot Lemmings.
keep laughing. i will laugh with you. the funny part is. i brought KZ2. which is more than i could say for most of the people on this site. i play games (again more than i could say for most of the people on this site). i don't have to post everyday. because i play my games. i play my 360 way more than i do my ps3. and i find it so funny when i hear you guys claim the 360 has nothing this year but DLC and multi-plats. yet DLC,multi-plats,and a RTS outsell your best FPS game with 4 years of hype. thats sad. spin it anyway you want. whatever help you sleep good at night.

@PirateThom

"Honestly, before this gen sales were a complete non-point, it was about games, remember them?" yeah i remember those days. i believe it was last gen when the ps2 was outselling the xbox and game cube. now the that foot is on the other foot. sales are not inportant anymore. you keep talking about quality of games. 360 has more quality titles then the ps3 check metacritic or gameranking. and quality is base off opinion. where as you guys base it off graphic.

[heyheyhey]

yet another 360 fanboy who cares more about sales than games... do you people come fresh out of MS's marketing department or something?

good sales are always welcome sure, but i'd much rather big games... seems like your favorite game this generation is called "NPD"

[xBot Lemmings]

yeah & i will keep laughing too cause x-tards like you would rather dance around like a little girl screaming about sales rather than play games ROFLMMFAO!!!!!

[PirateThom]

This really is the worst gen ever.

Microsoft have completely deluded their entire fanbase that game sales are more important than game quality.

Honestly, before this gen sales were a complete non-point, it was about games, remember them?

Edit to above: Sony were ahead by a huge margin last gen and no one really gave sales any consideration. You're completely missing the point anyway. This gen has never been about games, it's been about trying to one up the competition's sales figures and it's pathetic. Even in the SNES/Mega Drive days, the fan boys actually knew what they were talking about and it wasn't sales.

[Shane Kim]

lol Vega, you're acting like the xbugs are buying som much more games. Apart from Cod4 (that game actually sold a couple of millions more on the 360) the games being sold are pretty much the same concidering the installbase. What you and many bots are claiming is like trying to sell gloves to people with no hands (if you get what I'm saying). Halo 3 and Cod4 on 360 has done great in sales, nice for MS and you bots. But Gears 1/2 can easily be compared with Uncharted and MGS4 since both has sold 4 and 4.7 million copies with an installbase with 8 million lower on PS3. GTA4 sales are pretty much the same so I really don't know what all the fuss is about.

[Sez]

"lol Vega, you're acting like the xbugs are buying som much more games" we are buying more games then you guys do. thats the funny thing. we actaully support our games. where as you guys claim to do so. multi-plat sell better on the 360, exclusives sell better on the 360 than on the ps3. and trying to compare uncharted to gears. are you serious. uncharted was bundled up with the ps3. most of uncharted sales came from sony giving it away for free with the ps3. same with MGS4,RFoM,motorstorm,LBP,GT5P, ECT. where as people actaully went out and brought games like gears, halo,L4D,ect. look at RE5 sales. they almost sold twice as many as the ps3 did. the only game that sold more on the ps3 this year was SF4. because of the controler.

face facts. alot of people didn't buy the ps3 for games. they brought it because it was the cheapest BLU-RAY player at the time or they are only waiting for a certain game to release to buy them. i know because the only game i want is GoW3 thats it thats all.(and no i not basing what everyone wants off my opinion or a game i want)

you and the SDF keep talking about install base. what the PS3 don't have 21 million units sold? are you saying games for ps3 can't sell more than a million units? sony is only 8 to 9 million units short of MS. not everyone will buy a certain game. but at least sell on par with the 360 games. all the exclusive sony has. to me seems like not alot of people are interested in except for the internet fanboys like yourself and the rest of the SDF. thats probably why many exclusives and mutli-plats don't sell well on the ps3.

[Shane Kim]

First of all I never said that KZ2 sales was the best ever I've seen. Second, yes Uncharted and MGS4 can be compared to Gears 1/2 since they have both sold 4.5-5 million each. You're saying Uncharted and MGS4 sold bad at 4 and 4.7-4.8 million with an installbase of 21 million, right? Then tell me how the hell is 4.5-5 million copies sold with an installbase of 28 million better? Because the Gears of Wars games didn't sold more than that. You bots like to talk about sales but you never take into concideration that there are actually more 360's sold than PS3's. Third, don't act like Gears and Halo wasn't bundeled man, seriously.

This can also be said to many other games. For example, games like Fable 2 can be matched with LBP sales, despite xbox having an 8 million lead. And lets not even talk about JRPG games since White Knight has ousold every JRPG on the 360 combined.

And on a side note, what's wrong to "blame" it on installbase? Are you seriously saying that the games are supposed to sell more than there is people ready to buy them? What kind of fantasy land are you from?

[Sez]

"First of all I never said that KZ2 sales was the best ever I've seen" no first learn to read i never said that in my post. so don't try to put words in my mouth. thats always been your problem when you post a comment to my post. second how many games was bundled with the ps3. uncharted only sold what it did because it was bundled same as MGS4. mgs4 700k in june by the end of the year it reached 1mil. and then you have the nerve to say halo or gears. please dude. gears outsold MGS4 in less time it did for mgs4 all year.

[Goldsack]

..gt5 release this year!!! globally

http://www.vg247.com/2009/0...

[LiL T]

custom tracks, team support sweet.

[Shane Kim]

I think the sales are pretty good since from what I've experienced, many people are just tired of FPS games and so. However, all fanboyism aside just for this post, Sony needs to advertise better. It's like they don't give a crap.

Anyways, Im no Adam Smith and don't care about sales. I bought the game and playing it everyday. Just feel a little sorry for those who are missing out on a great game.

[EasilyTheBest]

More money they make from games the more great games they make....

If Sony had only sold 3million consoles by now do you think you would be looking 4ward to some great games in the next few years from them...

Who know whats to be announced... As far as you know there could be 20 games announced at E3... All for this year including Alan WAIT!
There could be Killer Instint 3 and 6 other RARE titles...
Like I say who knows, they could be even working on something similar to ONLIVE.... How would that go down....

Sorry but u r use to the way SONY does things... Brag brag brag hype hype hype its coming its coming etc...

[heyheyhey]

ok then

so where are these games that MS is making because they're selling so many consoles?

they won't really happen.. because MS has crap 1st party and their grip over 3rd parties is waning

[d0nT wOrrY]

looooooooooooooooooooooooool
so where is your games this year ? hahaha

[Insomnia_84]

I heard Halo Karts and Halo Tennis are in development, so yeah there are some games coming out.

EDIT:@ below

sh!t!!! how could I forget about that one?!?!

[cereal_killa]

Dont forget about the Soljaboy Game confirmed AAAAAAAAAAAA 2009 GOTY by PP and his Muppet posse

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

How so? because last time I checked you still don't have any GTAIV, Fallout 3, Oblivion or TR exclusive content. Not to mention we stole some of your biggest exclusives like Final Fantasy, DMC, SO, and Tekken. You got Ninja Gaiden (timed) and Bioshock (timed)... Well lets have your excuse for that heyheyhey. Now make sure you log onto those other accounts to hit disagree, take bubbles, and throw another b!tch fit.

[heyheyhey]

Oblivion DLC is available on PS3

and it is waning Jason, no way you can spin this... if it wasn't, Saints Row 2 would be 360 exclusive, Bioshock 2 would be 360 exclusive, Dead Rising 2 would be 360 exclusive, Condemned 2 would be 360 exclusive

the 360 just isn't getting that sort of 3rd party support anymore, i mean it's still relatively strong... you managed to hang on to Mass Effect (for now anyway), but it's equally as strong on the PS3 with 3rd party exclusives such as MGS4, Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (the abundance of added content is exclusive to PS3) and more

i'm not the one throwing b!tch fits here, just debunking 360 troll spin and bullsh!t as it comes along

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Nights of the Nine Oblivion DLC? Saints Row, Condemned and Dead Rising were never 360 exclusives, 360 got em because it came out first.

Damn your dumb

[digger18]

Yes Jason, the PS3 got Nights of the Nine Oblivion DLC and shivering isles.

Plus PS3 version of Oblivion is running at 720P, unlike the 360's version, which is still sub HD even after all the patches it had.

http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/...

[redsquad]

This is funny:
"More money they make from games the more great games they make...."

So according to you, we can expect a whole plethora of stunners from MICROSOFT this year after their rollicking success so far.

[-MoOkS-]

It's such a flop, it would sell just around the same amount as the ps3 did.

I blame the bad characters and lack of story. The hideous multiplayer doesnt help either.

[dylantalon]

people need to think more and understand why things are the way they are and why it happened .

do you people think microsoft makes more money from the sales of gears than the amount sony makes on killzone 2?epic owns the gears ip and they make most of the money . listen, sony has more than 20 1st party studios and they dont want to spend 30 million dollars on advertising every game they have coming. most of the ps3 1st party games coming out looks like AAA quality games so why spend 30 million dollars on all of their games and waste a lot money. they want to make money without spending a lot of money.

sony owns killzone 2 and they made the game . they are already profitable within1 month from the sale of killzone 2 and they will continue to make money from from the game. next is infamous, and so on with their 1st party games.

microsoft didn't make gears and most of their top selling titles and they dont have any 1st party studios that can make AAA quality games at this moment. they spend millions on advertising and buying exclusive game content and its not working out in their favour. they bought into a lot of jrpg deals and im sure they payed millions for those deals which all weren't profitable to them in the end. think about all of their exclusive deals that didn't get them to any profit margin.

its common sense to see who will make more money between microsoft and sony and they are in the business of making money and continue to give gamers quality titles .

uncharted started of slow in sales but went on to sell millions with little advertisements .

another thing, KILL IS IMPOSSIBLE ON THE XBOX 360 BECAUSE THE HARDWARE IS INFERIOR TO THAT OF THE PS3.

ps. the talon stands for talented.

[Death]

Halo 3 sold close to 10 million copies now and is a first party studio. How many first party Sony games have been released to make up that amount? Another thing to look at is the budget used to make KZ2. With 1 million in sales, has Sony recouped their investment yet? What about third party exclusives? Variety is the spice of life and also adds to console sales. Is it better to have more solid third party relations making exclusives or is it better to have more first party games which are by default exclusive? There is no easy answer and both companies are doing things their own way. One thing is for certain though, of the two, one is gaining market share daily and one is losing marketshare on two fronts. If I had to pick, I know which company I would want to be.

-Death

[Milky]

I think over a million in a month is good for a game with minimal advertising which belongs to a lesser known franchise. It has sold more than RE5 on PS3 in North America atleast.

[Sabre_G]

If you combine the number of games Sony has sold this generation over Microsoft (Published games) i wonder what statistics that will bring up. Halo and Gears aside, not sure of too many games that have sold 2-3 for 360, where as Sony as probably 7-8.

Sony relying on a army of Davids while Microsoft hedging there bets with their 2 Goliaths

[divideby0]

so many who have been dissing this game 2 years before it came out would have bought it...hmmm

[poopsack]

u know thats how it goes. itd stop being greyzone 2, with laggy controls and the lack of co-op wouldnt be such a drag anymore.

[vTuro24]

well with microsoft marketing, i wouldn't be surprised...

[Father Murder X]

SOny had 20 million ps3 out there and a so called AAA title can't sell one million in under a month. Please don't pretend that the sales are good but because they aren't. They haven't made their money back on the game. It is simply not that good. The graphics aren't as great as you all made them out to be. I saw the commercials on television but it people aren't interested they are just not interested. I mean remember when SPeedracer flopped at the movies.They had an ass of commercials. You guys always talk about the Microsoft advertising hype machine but tell me this truthfully what game did they hype that didn't deliver the goods for the gamer. That is the bottomline. Nothing about Killzone 2 screams play me. It looks boring as hell if you are a casual gamer. Most of us on here are hardcore gamers the industry can't survive on us!!

[LiquifiedArt]

I have 50+ hrs in Kz2 online. I have 20+hrs in the campaign.

The game is amazing.

The problem lies with Playstation Gamer's.

We (as ps owners), have TOO MANY Gamers!! Regardless of what the LIEING media says. PS3 is the system for games. We have sooo many AAA exclusives its hard not to be Back-Logged. I have games I havent even opened yet. Several!!! (And i buy 90% first party games)

Imagine if I bought up a buncha of 3rd party stuff too!!! MY head would explode.

Still EVERY playstation owner Should buy this game.

[ChrisTiffer]

...it isn't Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. It's US. It's fanboyism. Because it isn;t about games for us anymore, it's about sales, and each side winding up the other out of insecurity because you've invested so much psychologically in choosing a side over A GAMES CONSOLE. The result is immature debates and teenage "mine's bigger than yours" flamebait articles instead of thoughtful, impassioned discussion and professional journalism.

IMHO KIllzone 2 is an awesome game, and has already provided hours of intense, beautiful, brutal gaming, both in the sp and online, which again, only in my opinion, is a blast. A million sold in "only a month" for an 18-rated gamefirst party exclusive is impressive by anyone's standards. All of you, please stop, it pains me to read most of these posts, because you're all so angry and defensive over money and figures... what's happened to the games?

[PirateThom]

This may be the single most logical thing ever posted on here.

[Narutone66]

doing in the open zone?
<---------------- Gamer zone is over there. Kidding aside, bubbles for you. But it's no use reasoning with some of the over zealous fanboys here in the open zone. Some of them just feed on the anger of the opposite parties.

[MaximusPrime]

urm.... nah. Killzone 2 is too powerful for cheap junk.

[skip2mylou]

why are we still going on about this game would have sold better if it was on the 360. fuk u. u know why it might not of been on the 360 for a reason? because it was a first party game so a port would not be possible. or the developers and publisher like that console more than the others and decided to make it exclusive

[dazzalfc]

...It probably would have, for a two reasons

1) Bigger install base in key markets. Killzone 2 was hardly going to set the world alight in Japan, were the Playstation 3 is doing moderately well, but were it would do is the U.S. Sadly, the Playstation 3 is quite a distance behind the Xbox 360 install base in the USA, and given the Americans seem to adore FPS games going off sales of key titles, then i would have expected Killzone 2 to sell more on the 360. Agian, as i stated in another post, a bigger install base will near always lead to bigger sales. Hardly the stuff of genuis now is it.

2) Marketing - Microsoft know how to market a product to death. Part of the success that Halo has had is due to Microsoft literally forcing it into peoples faces. Given Microsofts marketing power (and not just in money terms, but actually marketing a product correctly. Sony made many mistakes early in the PS3 life cycle when it comes to marketing).

Having said that, does every game now have to sell in Halo numbers to be considered a success? Or even a good game? Worldwide sales have been strong, and has been one of the fastest selling games on the system. Sales should not reflect how good a game is. I do not see sections in reviews that are dedicated to sales, so it should not reflect peoples decisions to go out nd buy the game. For me, its a superb game, not the best first person shooter out there, but certainly amongst them. Any person who disagrees simply hasn't played the game, or does not care enoguh about gaming to at least give it a shot.

[tudors]

I actually agree with a lot of what you said, a honest opinion is a honest opinion, and I agree KZ2 is not as good as many have made it out to be, and the graphics are not mindblowing, sorry but that is my opinion same as you are all welcome to yours, what are you all going to say when Cryengine proves to you all that the 360 can handle KZ2 graphics.....drum roles..."but you don't have a PS3", no I don't but I have played it long enough to know what I think, and I think some of you guys who constantly say "you don't even have a PS3" should maybe have a go on the 360, because I know a lot of you would be pleasently surprised.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I bet if Killzone 2 had these VVV logos below people would have bought the sh!t out of it.

[ultimolu]

I don't see why Sony has to shove Killzone 2 down people's throats.

Once again, can anyone name me a 1st party game that sold five million in one day over the years in which Sony was in the gaming industry?

Anyone?

I was under the impression that Killzone 2 will keep selling and Little Big Planet is still selling as we speak.

What happened people? We don't play games anymore? We now twiddle our fingers and compare sales now?

[Cherchez La Ghost]

First, let me say I'm not flaming. The bottom line is this. You only make a product for one reason, to sell it. KZ2 is graphicly next-gen. It should have sold at least 2-3 million at this point of time now since it's release, but it hasn't. One thing everyone must credit MS (like them or not) for is marketing. They do have a way to amp the consumer for a game. Look at the hype machine they ran for Halo 3. Yes, Halo 3 is not the best looking or storyline of games in next-gen gaming. But the "staying power" is incredible. Even with the exclusivse Sony has set in motion, they're looking for their "Halo" franchise as well.

People keep saying that MS is done. E74, RRoD, no games for 2009, etc. But fact is the 360 will still sell just as much as the PS3 is doing now. If you disagree with me, please elaborate with you comments.

[cpt_kaos]

Playstation brand is known for catering to a variety of gaming tastes and unlike the limited variety on the 360 which is mostly mind numbing shooter after shooter.

Its easy to say it would have sold 4 million on the 360 since there isn't much else to choose from on that system...0oh look I wonder what Microsoft is going to announce at E3... mmmm might be another shooter.

Over time KZ2 sales will increase and as a PS3 owner and previous 360 owner I have so much variety and different game genres in my collection at the moment I will eventually get KZ2 but no rush unless i'm expecting RRO.. oh oops wrong system. ;)

[giovonni]

The 360 just doesn't produce shooter after shooter. Just say you like the ps3 better and move on. The 360 has the same variety in games as the ps3. So, stop using the "360 only has shooters" tactic to reassure your self of your purchase because what you are saying is false. Don't believe me use a neutral web site like game fly and compare shooter for over all games for the 360 and ps3 and presently out of 478 games on the 360 88 of them are considered shooters so shooters make up 18 % of 360 library. Now for the PS3 there are 63 shooters out of 323 and the percentage is 19 percent on the ps3. So, what are the other 81 percent of games on the xbox360 bcause its not shooters.

Now on topic, it would have sold better on the 360 is debateable. It's not on the system so why even debate this? I have played the game and bottom line it didn't really dazzle me like I thought it was going to. The controls weren't the best set up for a first person shooter, but I am sure you guys will dissagree. I felt clicking down the left thumb stick to run was a bit ackward when you use that to also walk forward/turn corners whatever. The Zoom felt ackward too since games like Halo and call of duity's zoom style are much more user friendly. The duck and cover isn't as superior as some make it out to be. So far this gen the best duck and cover system I used in a First Person shooter is Rainbow Six Vegas, and that's my opinion.

There are some great things about Killzone, but it wasn't enough to keep my attention for as long as I thought it would have.

[ssipmraw]

Xbots yearn for all ps3 exclusives

[ZILLA]

at the same time,that would put m$ out for good.sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!

[Panzer88]

The game woulden't have even been possible on 360

[ballsofsteel]

no even if it was on 360 with the crappy marketing it had there was no way it was going to sell well. i don't understand why sony doesn't advertise their games this is one page out of MS's book sony need to copy. any game no matter how crappy that is advertised well will sell.

[Jdoki]

Playstation has always been about diversity and long tail sales, never about Day 1 or Month 1 figures.

If Sony has poured 30million in to Killzone 2 advertising, it would probably have have sold more. But in my experience people who only own a Playstation like the diversity and may buy the console just for quirky titles like Disgaea. People who only own a 360 like Halo, Gears and Madden and little else.

Halo and Gears are the exception, not the rule, when it comes to game sales. What other exclusive titles on the 360 sell anything close to these titles?

[giovonni]

However, the ps brand has been in how many years vs xbox? with ps's past market share it would be a no brainer why people buy ps3 because in the past sony had the higher market share so there is going to be varity. The lack of competition made it possible for Sony to gain a robust selection of games. So, thank the lack of competition now that sony has lost some of their market share xbox 360 is now showing that it has varity also

[LiquifiedArt]

Its because Sony fanboy's (not myself) are picky as all heck. They need to loosen up and support the great games that we have. They are all sooooo damn picky it makes me sick.

Also. Split-screen Gameplay is a Factor for many young kids and a cohesive party system to help play with friends.

[Shakermaker]

I have Killzone 2 for my PS3, and played the heck out of it for a good solid month, but now I'm back playing my 360. I can honestly say though that if a geam is cross-platform (Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5 for example) I've always got the 360 one. I just prefer the "gamerscore" over the trophy thing, and really just like the online interaction a little more...

Just my opinion, sans all the typical "fanboy" bullshiat

[lazzymusa]

TALES OF VESPERIA would have sold 5 million on ps3
STAR OCEAN ....6 million on ps3
LAST REMNANT....4MILLION on ps3
Lost oddesy......7million on ps3
HALO WARS .........20 copies on ps3

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Halo Wars would sell 20 copies on the PS3 but would still sell more than Killzone 2... since Halo Wars did actually outsell Killzone 2.

[Too_Hyped]

@Jason : no it didn't. VG : 1.4 million sold for KZ2 worldwide, outselling Halo Wars.

[MriownBOTH]

not of 360 owners would have liked it anyways so yeah. i personally thought the single player was AMAZING ,but i was let down by the online. but still a good game

cod mw2 will rape the online fps genre.....just murder

[Shakermaker]

read the post above yours before making wild accusations about people.

[fjtorres]

...on advertising...
...on a honking big price cut...
...on subsidizing third party exclusives...
...because its not your money, right, children?

The reality is Sony does what Sony chooses to do and they spend the money they have (which is seriously, seriously, limited) the way they feel they get the most bang for their buck.

Just because Sony didn't blitz the tv screens and fast food chains doesn't mean they didn't advertise; in point of fact they heavily advertised the game in print media (or have you all forgotten those Halo-esque "War. Perfected." ads?).
And those bullet-view videos count as advertising.
So is internet hype, y'know.
And, boy, did Killzone get a *lot* of internet hype.

If Sony doesn't spend money on traditional ads its because they don't have to; they are masters (absolute geniuses, really) at getting their customers to do their work for them and do it for free.
Why pay for what you can get for free.

Where MS has to go pay fast food chains and buy time on the SciFi channel for Halo, Gears, and Mass Effect, to make sure people know their games are coming, Sony can sit back and let the internet do their job for them.
For free.
Sony Defense Force, take a bow, children.

Think about it: who didn't *know* Killzone was coming, since E3 2005?
Who didn't know it was a graphics-heavy shooter game?
Certainly PS3 owners know it... 360 owners knew it... maybe the Wii folks didn't but they're too pooped exercising to count anyway, right? ;-)

Advertising is all about information; telling potential customers what the product is, what it can do for them. Well, all the Sony-centric web sites have been telling everybody what a great game Killzone was going to be for 4 years. So if Killzone isn't selling, its not for lack of information; people *know* its out there and they know what its about.

If the game is under-selling expectations...uh...
(Not looking to be offensive or anything...)
But...
Maybe...
Just maybe...
They simply don't care.
At least not enough to drop $60 on the game.

Nobody really knows why the game simply isn't moving; all that is very very clear right now is that your typical PS3 buyer is nothing like your typical Xbox buyer. And Sony is counting on that and on very little else to move their games.

Which considering their corporate financial situation (red-ink as far as the eye can see) is pretty much all they *can* do.

It costs money to buy time on cable TV networks; it costs money to cook up deals with fast food chains. And you only spend that money if you think it will *increase* sales enough to cover the cost of those fancy marketing move. You don't do it just because the other guy does it (Nintendo certaintly doesn't) you do it if the game deserves it.

In case anybody is wondering; Microsoft doesn't go all out for every single first-party game. They only do it for games they *think* deserve it. So they did it for Halo3 but not Halo Wars. They did it for Mass Effect and Fable but not Too Human. They did it for Gears and Gears 2 but not for Project Gotham. They do it for the monsters, but not for the merely great games. Its not all about the money. Its about knowing the market and knowing the game.

Sony could be doing the same thing.
Maybe they're waiting for their inhouse developers to cook up a game worth spending $20 million in advertising. Maybe God of War V... :-)

Or maybe they just don't have the $20 million to spend...
(The HDTV business is easting them up alive... Between Sharp, Mitsubishi, and Vizio.. )

[kewlkat007]

but I think it would of been Big, probably Gears of war 1 type numbers, since it would of been the first to 360 fans.

Oh well...

[starvinbull]

Killzone 2 sold just over a million in just over a month. It will likely sell more than 3 million over the life of the PS3. Hardly a great failure.

[eat_shorts]

Killzone 2 probably would of sold 4 million copies, but my questions are

1)Would the entire quality of the game(sound/graphic etc.)stay the same?
2)Would Microsoft see this as a major marketing campaign and spend so much on ads that regardless of sales they would still lose money?

[coberste]

I think most of you are missing the point. Why did only 5% of PS3 owners pick up Killzone 2? Are only 5% interested in a AAA FPS? I don't understand it either. It could be the advertising. Sure the die hard gamers knew KZ2 was coming, but maybe not the casual gamer. There was very little mainstream advertising. But then again, I don't think PS3 owners are casual gamers.

I believe this game, if it was/is possible on the Xbox 360 (we'll never know) would have sold far greater than 1 million copies on the Xbox 360. Microsoft is a fan of FPS games and would have advertised this more heavily than Sony. Demos would have been released for both the campaign and multiplayer a month in advance to build up the hype.

GG has certainly got be thinking about this too. I'm sure they're not all too happy with the sales results.

[dkblackhawk]

another article stating that the xbox 360 is better..

[Lucreto]

Sony have 20 or so first party studios and limited funds for all the games. MS have 3 first party and tons of money that could be used to make more developers is going into advertising and third party development.

Sony are making more money overall as they require less than usual sales to turn a profit. MS have used vast amounts to require exclusives and advertising there Sony is not.

[anaviel]

You guys are hopeless!!! I mean really! The article wasn't about graphics or gaming engines or anything like that. The article was about the LACK OF AD-VER-TIS-ING!!!!!! Get it!!!! The article didn't say he thought the 360 could handle the graphical workload that KZ2 would require...he didn't say it would be better on the PS3 either. His point was sony did not promote this game like it should and expected it to move systems anyway. STUPID ON SONY'S PART. Disagree all you want but fanboys were the biggest advertisers for this game. I am a fan of all systems and I didn't know about KZ2 until maybe a month before it dropped in stores. Sony is not doing their first party developers justice and you wonder why they are jumping ship and going multi platform. Sony is their distributor, their system is their medium of income and that partnership is not being treated with importance.

KZ2 should have been a system seller. Do you know how much money was spent in developing that game. If you factor in the time it took, the new technology, the new graphics engine, storyline, salaries, etc. Millions. And so far it has only sold over a million copies. It hasn't reached the 2 million yet. KZ2 is not the kind of game that should be gradually selling. It should be moving units like Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4.

But it's not and that's a slap in the face of the developers and the PS3 owners (fanboys we are not talking to you right now). That's the point of this article. I get it that the PS3 is a powerhouse. But just for the record...everyone said GOW1 was the pinacle of the 360 graphical power....then GOW2 came and it looked ten times better......you can not assume that the 360 can not push more graphical power. You just can't assume that right now. The system can display a 1080p image am I right? It does have powerful guts in it right? Your only gripe is that it does not have blu ray capabilities. But remember who you are talking about...MICROSOFT!!! Say what you want but they are the leaders in software on the planet...regardless of what you feel they sell more and more than likely most of the PS3 fanboys pc's are sporting a nice Microsoft intro when they boot up their computer. They are typing their rants in internet explorer. Microsoft are the kings of updates. If they decide to come out with a add on blu ray unit I'm sure the 360 could handle KZ2 the same way the PS3 can. But these are all "IF'S" and speculations just like you speculating that the 360 is not powerful enough to handle KZ2 graphics. I've watched countless 1080p high quality videos from a USB on my 360. So if the system can display 1080p video from a usb then I'm sure it can handle kz2 graphics. It just doesn't support high def media right now.

But again this article is about sony's lack of advertising for this wonderful game. It is a beautiful high quality title that is not getting the love it deserves because sony refuses to invest in its first party games. Sad but true.

[lazzymusa]

HAlo wars only outsold killzone coz it was released in march not february. that game is tones of s**t anywats, If microsoft put dog s**t in an xbox case and call it HALo s**t you will still buy it and wait for NDP to brag about sales

[Too_Hyped]

no it didn't. VG : 1.4 million sold for KZ2 worldwide, outselling Halo Wars.

[AKNAA]

What is wrong with the rest of the 20 mil. PS3 owners?! first uncharted, then LBP and now KZ2?! WTF?! Buy the damn exclusive already!!! its not like they don't have internet access to get gaming info?! sh1t, I don't even have cable, but I still seen and heard about it on the internet... Personally, I prefer anything but a FPS, but I still bought killzone 2 just because it impressed me visually! and after playing it, I am so glad I bought it.

also, what happened to the 1 million pre-orders in europe I heard about a few months back?! with that said, I assumed that killzone 2 would of reached 2 million in a couple weeks no problem?!

so My point is that its a great game, So all you ps3 owners that don't have it should get going and buy the F#@in thing already!

[Lucreto]

PS3 gamers are known to be more diverse than the 360 gamers. Previous generation saw games like Okami and SOTC sell to moderate success. PS3 fanbase has gotten older as well.(17-25) People who had a PS1 would be more likely to own a PS3 and the games have matured with them.

If you look at the games there are more 16 to 18 age rated games this generation than this time last gen.

The 360 on the other hand seems to have a more concentrated fanbase. Everyone buys the same game like a collective mind and other titles get much smallers sales. The fanbase is younger (10-18) and parents want something cheap. It is a growth phase like where Sony was at the PS1 era. MS is trying to bring in the more mature crowd with Halo and Gears trying to under cut Sony in their choice demographic.

I will use the Nintendo as an example:
NES- Younger games starting out.
SNES- Young games crating brand loyality
N64- First taste of 3D games remained kiddy as fanbase got older. Moving to more grown up games on the PS1.
Gamecube- Still kiddy games and fanbase more to PS1 or 2.
Wii- Changed demographic to the older games (35-40) who still remember Nintendo from SNES.

[AKNAA]

I get what your saying, but come on now, you can't be telling me that a couple, or even few million of those 21 mil. ps3 owners aren't interested in FPS?! look at the sales on COD4, That sold pretty well...

[Lucreto]

I am at a loss to why some sell and others don't Killzone is a great game. 360 is known as a shooter console from last gen and people bought it just for that. PS3 was never know for that. As I said in the above post the PS3 gamer has matured they have jobs and working full time and can't go and play every game that it released. COD4 was one of those established titles and was advertised more and around Christmas when it came out people got it to treat themselves. The numbers for the PS3 were far below the 360 version but caught up with word of mouth and over time.

As for the 360 the younger demographic are mostly still in school and using pocket money to buy the games and generally more time to get through the games.

For example I haven't gotten Killzone myself. I have work and exams coming up but I will be getting it soon. Why do people say the PS3 game has long legs. Look at LBP it is still selling in the top twenty in some places and some 360 games sell massively for 3 weeks and they drop off the charts completely. Different demographs will buy at different times.

[dazzalfc]

Call of Duty 4 is also well over a year old now, so has had plenty of time to gain the numbers in sales that it has. It also had several games come before it which were very successful, so its fanbase was already in place, and the awards it won obviously helped to propel it further into peoples minds, particularly those who knew very little about it.

Its rather harsh to compare one of the biggest FPS games in history to one thats a month old, particularly from a sales perspective. And lets face it, it doesn't matter if it sold 1million, 1,000 or 10,000,000, the game is still extremely good. Whoever thinks about sales whilst actually playing needs their head checking

[AKNAA]

Well, lets just hope sony does not reduce in quality even with the lack of software support from their install base... and within a years time, maybe the sales will go up to as much as COD4?! who knows...

@ Dazza.. COD4 was just an example that I was giving as a FPS on the ps3 that actually done well, so my point was that there must be interest in that genre, so why the lack of support for KZ2?

[kenjix]

If the 360 could pull this game off 360 owners would have bought this game in droves, they know it's the best FPS hands down. Since it's not on thier system they'll downplay it, but the title is 100% right they know this game is FPS Perfection but it's not on 360 so they don't want it.

[kewlkat007]

but because they would of thought it is the best FPS is all subjective.

-Simple MS markets it's big games very well and the 360 fanbase, as well as new gamers responds. It's all about Mass Appeal.

-Plus the 360 have been beaten down in the past because it's just s hooters console(which is no more). The PS shooters fanbase is in it's infancy(If you wanna call it that way).

[pushergreen]

I think the relatively low sales of KZ2 can partly be attributed to the fact most PS3s are Bluray players first and game consoles second. Although the marketing for the game was questionable at best, I viewed the same bullet comercial many times so saturation was there but the ad itself while it looked great failed to build consumer hype and the fact the the PS3 is expensive. KZ2 is a great game it should've sold way way way more, sad really.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Killzone 2 would have sold 4 million if killzone 1 was well received and Killzone 2 received ample marketing

and that's all there is to it

[anaviel]

@5 - xbl/psn- dylantalon

Please stop the excuses....nothing sells in this world without advertising. Period. I don't care if its word of mouth, posters, stool pigeons, smoke signals, bird calls, or tarzan yells. Advertising is the life blood of sells. No advertising....mediocre sell numbers. I am not in denial that KZ2 is a great FPS. I've seen ALLLLL the trailers and in game footage. I have friends that have played it and its an amazing game. Yes but if that game took 80 million to make....(I'm not sure if that number is correct) Then just over 1 million to date is failure. This is a AAA title...not TOO HUMAN or that other exclusive FPS on PS3 that was a flop (you know of whom I speak LOL!!!) So those numbers should not be compared, nor should this game sell in this manner. 21 million PS3's in the wild and only a little over a million finds this game interesting. Your first month of sales shows how the game will be received.
Fanboys can blame PS3 owners all day long but it's not up to PS3 owners to search for new apps from sony...its up to sony to bring the news to their customers. Microsoft throws money into advertising because the benefits can be seen in sales.....the so-called inferior system is selling more games and units then the so-called superior system. Get your minds right sony fanboys.....sony is dropping the ball on this game and they know it. Only a troll would look at those numbers as a positive. Sony is not making a profit on this game right now....and if they don't push this game they will not and more than likely the next killzone will be multi platform.
If Halo3 would have sold like this and 360 fanboys would have been saying this same crap you guys are peddling you would be up in arms!!! No advertising no sales, no sales no profit. Simple.

[Socomer 1979]

Lol!
okay jason 360 we get it. you really love halo wars and bought that instead of killzone 2. great choice i guess now just calm down there buddy, lol.

How dumb are these bots anyways that bought a rts thinking it was a fps and also thinking that killzone 2 would do better on the xbox 360 or should have been delayed to ps3's 4th year.

heres another idea: how about sony only releases 1 exclusive game every 8 months? now that should do something for the NPD sales game. I would much rather have fun starving for a game.

[timmyrulz]

What i cant grasp is if the xbox is done, nobody wants it last gen piece of garbage, how come it sells more than the ps3, sells more games than the ps3?

If the answers i get are;

A, Its cheaper - the gamecube was cheaper than the others, so was the dreamcast

b, People have to buy one to replace the broken one - A 3 year warrenty covers most of the faults and i cant think of too many people who will just keep buying the same thing if it continues to break down

c, 1 year head start - The dreamcast had a year headstart

Yeah sure the x360 has it faults but there must be something about it that people like because it just keeps on selling more and more

[ironmonkey]

it doesnt matter what you said any game that is paid to be made and doesnt make sales is a flop. a company that pays 20mil for a game to be developed and sells only 1 mill, is that profit? lol even if its 3mil its not enough even you think its alot maybe for you cause none of us have 4 mil but to the companies its nothing. so really all games sell at a loss on both console

[timmyrulz]

Also sales are very important, do you people think that Sony are going to keep on pumping 40 to 50 million dollars on games if no one are buying them?

[Enterprise-E]

Who cares what system it would have sold more on. Seriously since when gamers cared so much about sales or attach rates. Just seems to mean this gen the gamers seem more interested in things that don't affect them.

[N2NOther]

Sales and attach rates are incredibly important. The better a game performs the more likely we are, as gamers and fans of said game, to get a sequel. One of my favourite games of last year was Mirror's Edge. I played it, loved it and saw room for improvement that a sequel could offer. BUT, it sold horribly thus pretty much guaranteeing no sequel. This SHOULD matter to everyone.

I don't just follow games, I follow movies, music and TV as well. If a TV show you love doesn't get good numbers, it gets canceled. As someone who knows that situation all too well, it sucks.

The fact is Killzone 2 should be selling, as someone said, like Halo and COD games. It's not. Barely 6% of the US install base has bought the game and that's really bad. At the end of it's run it could sell well, but games like COD 4 are still selling and until Modern Warfare 2 comes out, I believe it will still sell well. And the reality is that prior to COD 4, the COD series sold well, but nearly as well as 4 and World at War.

Look at the Dreamcast. Many people consider it one of the best consoles of all time but it was the nail in Sega's console making coffin because it didn't sell well. Sales matter. Period.

[Unicron]

In contrast, how gamers look at, interpret, and use said sales data has become highly skewed this generation. People are putting TOO MUCH stock into sales data. Yes, we all want to see games succeed and do well enough to warrant a sequel, but people don't seem to realize how few titles actually make any profit, and how many fewer actually hit 1 million sold. Selling 1 million units IS NOT A NORMAL OCCURRENCE for a game. Any title that pulls those numbers, regardless of console, is solid.

These days, people seem to think that if a game doesn't sell 8 million in the first month its a) a flop and b) going to immediately stop selling. It just doesn't work that way. I just don't understand that mentality.

[fjtorres]

Especially on a game that cost a *lot* more than a normal PS3 game to make. KZ2 cost estimatess are all over the place but even a year ago they were running well above US$30Million and as high as $60 million.
http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

With KZ2 being a first-party game, Sony probably gets to keep about a quarter of the sale price, maybe a bit more so you have a big expensive game that is going to take a while to produce a profit for Sony, if ever. So, what are the odds the thing is going to get a sequel?

Not very good.

Plus, folks forget: Sony is still losing money on the hardware. They *need* software profits to balance out the books. So a slow selling game means no way to make up the money that it would cost to cut the system price. Which, in turn, means no price cut any time soon.

Sales matter because game consoles are a *volume* based business.
Dropping the price is done to increase the sales rate of the platform and increase the installed base that buys the software. The idea being that increased software revenue makes up for the decline in hardware revenue. Without that software money, there is no way to keep up with the *expected* declining hardware price. That is why Microsoft ditched the first XBOX early even though it had sold 25 million; because they were still losing money on the hardware and they realized they would never be able to ramp up the volume fast enough to match the PS2 price curve. That is also why Sega dropped Dreamcast.

Its all tied together with a big yellow ribbon:
Big software sales --> cheaper hardware --> more software sales --> even lower hardware prices.

But if you knock out the first part of the equation, the whole chain falls apart. KZ2 might still make it to 3-4 million in sales but right now it looks like it will take many months and some discounting. Which means that it will at best be paying for itself instead of helping sell consoles or at least helping pay for a price cut.

Bottom line: no monster game = no monster price cut any time soon.

[Enterprise-E]

but to everyone else who just buy games because they want to play them is simple enough. I could careless if a game sells or not because I just play them. I don't go looking into it that hard.

Yeah Sales matter but only to those lame fanboys that come in boasting who is better. I rented Killzone 2 from Gamefly its really an awesome game and it does enough things to make it unique in the already crowded genre. Thats my opinion and guess what someone is going to have a totally different opinion about it.

I play games for challenge and fun. Not to see what the attach rates or NPD numbers.

[N2NOther]

Can we please refrain from using blanket statements? Sales matter to me and I'm not a fanboy at all. I'm a realist. I love both of my consoles. BOTH. Of. Them.

You play games for fun and not NPD data? So that means you know people that play games for NPD data in lieu of fun? Just because someone talks about it because it matters to them doesn't mean they care more about sales than fun.

And you should care about all of this because it does and will affect you. I have to bring this up again, but look at Sega.

[fossilfern]

and 4 million 360s would of got RROD :)

[Ldubbz]

Killzone 2 not possible on 360....thanks for the laugh. There is just no way the 360 could pull off all of those high-res text----oh, nope, forget it...LOL

And what is it with some of you? Do you really think gamers (us in here) are such sheep? We all need ads telling us how great something is in order for us to buy it? How would you explain L4D or other successful games that had small ad buys?

Also, think about this for a sec...advertising is really about tapping into what people want. If Sony cant advertise like you all say and willingly admit that MS can, what does that say about the companies themselves? Because by saying that youre pretty much saying that Sony has their heads up their a$$es in respect to gamers.

No? Replies? Thoughts? DISAGREES....haha

[N2NOther]

The ads make MORE people aware of a product. Left 4 Dead was a success because it had a ton of TV and print ads, a MP demo that was released to the public long before the game came out, and wasn't fighting the uphill struggle of being a sequel to a hyped, but underwhelming game. Word of mouth helped a bit too.

Sony should have marketed this game the way MS markets their titles or even MGS 4. But hey, what do I know?

[hunter21]

lol if you want killzone2 then buy a ps3 simple as that. kz2 is one of the best games that i got on my ps3 and i glad its only for the ps3.. with that... the graphics and gameplay turned out great.

[Socomer 1979]

killzone 2 is a mature game.
xbox360 is Americas gaming system that was first to market.
without rrod & malfunctions & the hidden fees its a great system for the kiddies.
dont you remember gears of war wasn't m rated because they put the option to take out f bombs & blood.
thats a easy sale at gamestop who goes all out in supporting xbox games in America. Doesn't matter if xbox360 can't produce graphics & gameplay that advances gaming.

Halowars was advertised at walmart with a poster that was 3 ft. High at the entrance.
its not hard to figure out that millions have & will continue to sell to adults.
dont forget how goddam violent killzone 2 is & how Sony only cares about how well thier games against thier own games. World wide is a different story & no one is going to argue when killzone 2 sells 4 million during the year.

I mean really, who do you think you're arguing with on n4g? Its children with g-rated games that has a xbox360 since 2005.

[Socomer 1979]

Not exactly moron. That money was for the engine that is being used on ps3 exclusives.
what? The engine is unnesescary now?
get lost.

[devilhunterx]

With the power (and money) M$ marketing team has, they could EASILY make XB2 owners buy 28 million turds.

oh wait. They already did.

[MainEventX]

Playstation Gamers are dissapointing this Gen they don't buy games for their console and its dissapointing. The reason Halo sales so much is because it's Xbox's Mario. People buy an Xbox for Halo I don't know anyone who dosen't just like people buy Nintendo for Mario. Peter Moleynux is right Sony dosen't have a face for it's Playstation brand because they focus on more than just one major IP. Im not a fanboy but im pro Sony cause I feel they did more for gaming than any other company. Truth betold though it seems as if the Playstation Gamers want the PS3 to fail cause they don't support the games on the PS3 platform by buying games and it's the sad truth.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Using a similar comparison,Halo3,876,580 on PS3.
I am not sure i understand the point,enlighten me please.

[N2NOther]

Did you read the article? The point is that if Sony would have marketed the game properly then it would have sold that many units. It says that if Killzone 2 were a MS title, it would have moved those numbers because of MS aggressive, and almost consistently successful marketing.

And for the love of GOD people, saying the game isn't possible on the 360 is not only ignorant (from what I'm reading, NONE of you have a degree in programming) but it's an irrelevant point to the article.

[cpt_kaos]

GEEZEUS if the 360 hadn't RROD cause KZ2 would have pushed it over the edge it probally eat the damn disc so probally have to buy 2 copies so you got backup when it spits it out at you.

[cpt_kaos]

25.1 regardless if you believe that i'm reassuring myself of my purchase I can accept I may be wrong on percentages of different game types on either system but after 4 dud 360's I think I don't need to reassure myself on my decision to purchase the vastly superior build quality and reliability of the Playstation 3 .

Geeze PS3 not even 1 year old for me but by the same time 2 dead 360's now I could have reassured myself and kept on going to the 5th and hoped this one will last more than 10 days (my 4th and last 360) oh wow I was really confident and reassured enough about the 360's reliability I got a refund and purchased a PS3.

[deshon09]

not would not like the 1st guy said it 1st party lol 360 fanboy cant make up there mind 1st it the game suck than it can run on the 360 it would have sold more it sad that that all they have to entertain them is making stupid claims

[josephayal]

killzone 2 in xbox 360??...
1.xbox 360 couldnt run killzone 2 IMPOSSIBLE!!!
2.is a ps3 super exclusive
3.what about halo and gears of wars in the ps3 with killzone 2 graphics? gears and halo would have sold 14 million on ps3

[superbeast1]

I think if the controls would have been like most other FPS's, Killzone 2 would have sold a lot better than it has. Instead its like your character has had too much booze to drink. The controls have turned alot of people away from the game.