Final Fantasy XIII Demo consumes 5.09GB of space

FF7ACC capacity of 45.9GB, AACS MKB V12 did.
Main knitting file size is about 29.8GB, BDInfo average bitrate of the video about the analysis of 27.8Mbps, the average Japanese audio Dolby True HD 5.1ch is about 1.9Mbps and the average English Dolby True HD 5.1ch is about 1.97Mbps

FFXIII Demo capacity is about 5.09GB

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

XIII DVD's required for the 360 port confirmed!

[PirateThom]

Even if we take that the game is going to reuse a lot of assets, I honestly can't see it being less than 4 discs without serious compression on the textures, audio and FMV.

[timmyrulz]

And those with 20 gig hard drives on their ps3 will be fcuked

[pwnsause]

and all those 20gb hard drives get upgraded without a problem for cheap, whats your point? if it comes with an install, it will be below 5gb, just like MGS4.

[Ninver]

As a smart and well informed consumer i know what version i'm getting. What about the rest of you sheep?

[cmrbe]

It's ok though since you guys are ok with swapping discs. Have fun storing and swapping 5 disc lol!.

[Ninver]

@ timmy

Are you like twelve or something kid. It's like you continuously ask for a beating and plead to get owned lol. I'd be quite if i where you.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

The '25 disc' version of 'Final Fantasy XIII' for the 'ChatBox 360' on Amazon.com??? ;-D

+ I'm going to get a Hernia carrying that Version of 'FF XIII' for the 'ChatBox 360' Game Home!!! ;-D

[cmrbe]

To make things worse for the xbots the x360 is know to scratch disc. If one of those multiple disc is scratch your basically fuvked lol!.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

It's 50 Discs(ChatBox 360 Version)??? Anyone want to help me carry it Home??? ;-D

@cmrbe ;) Oh yeah i forgot about that. I was to worried about getting RRoD before inserting Disc 32!!! ;-D

[sonarus]

Thats certainly a lot for a demo. Makes you wonder how many discs they 360 version will need

[qface64]

that's almost the size of all of resident evil 5 and its only a demo too

[krackchap]

the correct answer
http://i42.tinypic.com/abm7...

[TheAntiFanboy]

The concept of compression is a myth to the Japanese.

[timmyrulz]

Or how big the madatory install will be on the ps3

[Ninver]

LOL this is funny as hell. Only one can wonder how much compressed dvd's the 360 will need to maintain even the most subpar of quality. As a smart and informed consumer i know what version i'm getting. What about the rest of you sheep?

[cmrbe]

True that but with blu-ray there is no real need unless you are Kojima lol!.

Anyone that played MGS4 knows how amazing a game is in complete uncompressed HD both visually and audio wise.

[Ninver]

@ above

And that is the reason why i will never settle for anything less. A lot of people are yet to experience true HD visuals with unconpressed audio and texture that is the reason why we still hear people (xbox owners) continuously lie themselves to bed that the 360 has any weight on the ps3.

[FamilyGuy]

Too bad the PS3 isnt hacked in cases like this. There HAS to be more on the disc. This is in reference to the PSP demo of GOW Chains of Olympus and all the extra content on the demo past the actual demo.

Then again this IS HD and there are a couple of HD trailers on the disc as well.
But really wow, i see why the Advent Children Complete (Japanese version) is so expensive now. Most wii games are in the 500mb range o.0

[sack_boi]

Lost Odyssey was 27gigs and I heard FFXIII was going to be on two Bluray discs, so this is not surprising.

[Ninver]

@ timmyrulz

SE has been developing this game for god knows how long. They practically have no choice but to not include a mandatory install for the ps3.

If they do, they know they will be a laughing stock. With the amount of time it has taken them to release the damn game you would think they would redeem themselves from the failures they have portrayed.

It's nearly 2.5 years in the ps3's cycle and frankly any dev that releases a game and has mandatory installs all over it is weak and pathetic in my honest opinion.

[FamilyGuy]

This also makes one more thing quite apparent and OFFICIAL, we won't be seeing this download able on the Jap or any other PSN (or 360) store

Even without the trailers this demo would need a cut down version to at least 1.5Gb to ever end up on a console store for free download. though id buy the demo if i could.

I wonder how much they'll go for on ebay i heard it on a separate disc than the blu-ray movie (FF:AV) so they're guaranteed to be sold. (if thats true)

[PotNoodle]

sack_boi, i doubt it'll be over 50gb..

[cLiCK_sLiCK9]

wow...
It scares me that FF13 developers might have to cut corners to get this game up and going on the 360.

Dont hold this against me.. but wasnt it announced (or rumored) that some content on demo might not see the light on the retail version?

[Rock Bottom]

Happy news for some, disastrous news for others.

[Insomnia_84]

Something tells me We will get a downgraded version that will look the same on 360 and PS3 when it hits the US, a different version to the Japanese one.

[FamilyGuy]

Your BS claim is debunk.

If they did a good job there will be NO install whatsoever as we've seen already that they're "stream loading" which is what is supposed to take away ALL loads times according to PS3s devs which make game installs COMPLETELY unnecessary.

They said ages ago it would have stream loading (im not gonna look it up for ya) and the demo already proves this as the battle transitions are like a second long (dvd loading isnt even that fast) and CGI movies too.

This pretty much GUARANTEES no mandatory game install.

[All-3]

Obviously --> somebody doesn't know WHY PS3 games require installs in the firs place.

Perhaps one of you INFORMED gamers can fill him/her in?

Supposedly... the average age range of PS3 owners is somewhere between the mid-twenties and mid-thirties <-- you can really tell by the usual comments left in N4G posts can't you? LOL...

[FamilyGuy]

All-3 You've confused me. the installs are to quicken loading times on the ps3 because blu-rray disc are read slower than dvds (newer tech an all that) The compression on 360 games cause longer loading times than if left uncompressed. His claim of lowering the quality of the image(?) or audio(?)is wrong. Is that what you meant?

[Shadow Flare]

Uncharted 1 has zero installs, zero load times and is still one of the best games graphically to date.

Response?

[Dragun619]

@Timmy
Well, For One, Final Fantasy XIII lead platform is PS3

And Two I'm sure if there is an install, you could just install it and play the game with no hassle in between such as Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4, or Bioshock Which the Disc reads at a good constant rate along with Data streamed from the Hard drive thus delivering the best experience for the player. Its the reason why there's a Hard drive And evidently, Many developers have chosen to take advantage of it.

Either that or it'll won't have an install or not as big such as COD4, R1,R2, Uncharted and Killzone 2
Or as FamliyGuy has stated it will be Steam Loaded as shown in the demo which ran smooth.

Also wouldn't take longer to load on DVD due of the heavy compression. Its like comparing a crumpled paper then uncrumpling it to taking a piece of the paper (install) then connecting it to a bigger paper (Blu Ray) thus resulting a Clear Paper (better quality) as it was not Crumpled (compressed). Which for instance Mass Effect as I'm sure it would of ran better if it were not for the compression.

[Immortal Kaim]

I notice the interest in Square-Enix is back again from PS3 owners, hopefully because they realise FFXIII is looking to be a great addition to the franchise. Unfortunately the interest seems to be more focused on the supposed 'gimped' 360 version...

Can I possibly pose the question, why does it matter if the 360 version is on 5 or even 10 disks, you all seem to be buying the PS3 version?

[morganfell]

All-3, you are the one that fails to understand game installs. Two of the best looking PS3 titles, Killzone 2 and Uncharted have no installs. Installs have nothing to do with NECESSARY space requirements. Instead the need arises form programmers lacking the experience to otherwise archive the material.

Your supposed superiority act concerning the implied greater age of 360 owners is a joke. Anyone that is a dual console owner knows the truth of this.

You are simply smarting over the truth of the demo size.

One of several things will happen. Inevitably the size of the demo will be reduced by a small small amount once the game is complete. This is due to refinement in the actual game.

In the end though we are staring at the possibility the 360 version will require quite a large number of discs. This will have an impact in either the game costing more than some gamers would like or Microsoft pays out of pocket. Will they increase the cost of the PS3 version to bring the two versions in line pricewise? Likely not.

In the event Microsoft bears the brunt of the costs it will be one more chunk of money Microsoft has thrown down the toilet in vain. Either way they will have worked to squeeze the game onto the fewest number of disks possible. This will mean lower res textures and much poorer sound.

Microsoft may also have paid Square enough money to reduce the size of the final game to two discs. PS3 owners can shake their heads with this knowledge. Real gamers can also be disgusted that Microsoft will have paid money to ruin a game for everyone. Sad really.

So you see my inexperienced fellow poster, there is a reason for PS3 owners to be concerned as they do have a stake in the gimped PS3 version.

Regardless PS3 owners have Versus en route.

[Why o why]

too easy.... This is N4G. The same reason people care about disk numbers is the same reason people care about mandatory installs. this is not utopia 4 gamers.

morganfell and others

Im not falling into 'their' trap. When 'they' get the chance to install to improve performance 'they' bloody well do, no questions. Lets not act like installs are a bad thing. This is next gen and we dont need 50 devs to tell us that the option to use a HDD is an advantage. Eff em. If 'they' had it too it would be a non issue or it would be something stupid like 'the ps3 install for x game is 4.5 seconds longer than the 360's' accompanied with eurogamer speed comparison charts. I like installs. There is also the fact that installs can be used to vastly improve games if done correctly.

[Immortal Kaim]

You should know better than anyone that spreading misinformation and anti-MS propaganda isn't beneficial to anyone, your comments have more clout around here than you realise.

"Microsoft may also have paid Square enough money to reduce the size of the final game to two discs. PS3 owners can shake their heads with this knowledge. Real gamers can also be disgusted that Microsoft will have paid money to ruin a game for everyone. Sad really."

Neither of us knows what really happened behind closed doors between MS and Square-Enix, inferring that they have comprised the quality of the game is misleading.

[morganfell]

Who is spreading misinformation? I am postulating. Did you not notice the words, "Microsoft may have..."?

If one pauses to think about it the possibility is highly likely. After all they have shown a tendency to do exactly what I theorize.

BTW, Famitsu agrees with me.

So no, I will not stop will my supported proposals. If Microsoft comes away from such posted hunches looking like they are evil or doing a disservice to the gamer then one can only say, "It is about time they are viewed in the naked light of day and seen for the anti-gaming force they so often are have demonstrated themselves to be."

[cLiCK_sLiCK9]

I agree. Its almost like coakblocking.
But in the end, we will never know (graphically) how these multiplatform games would've turn out to be if they still remained exclusives.

Imagine GTA4 being an exclusive? 25-50 gig open-world game? Unimaginable' right?
Just keep in mind that developers develop games while knowing their console's limits. Rockstar didnt make GTA4 without knowing their limitations. You guys have to understand that Rockstar didn't finish developing GTA4 only to find out its total size was around 8 gigs...
Same goes for all multiplatform developers. Including Square-enix.

But like I said. We will never know....=[

[Immortal Kaim]

Well your first sentence could be considered you 'postulating', though your following statements.

"...PS3 owners can shake their heads with this knowledge. Real gamers can also be disgusted that Microsoft will have paid money to ruin a game for everyone. Sad really."

Ruined for everyone? I could have sworn one of the most beloved franchises will now reach out to more people who may not have had the chance to experience it?

Semantics aside, I will be getting the game on the PS3, not because I feel one version may be 'superior', but because I own 7-12 on the playstation platforms and strangely feel I should continue the trend with the next iteration.

[morganfell]

No one of common sense can sit there and say the MS intervention hasn't affected PS3 owners in a negative manner. And while you are praising MS for that you can praise them for all the other franchises they 'freed'.

You sound like one of the targets in Assassins Creed that were 'freeing' the people. And your argument in favor of Microsoft's action makes as much sense.

[Immortal Kaim]

And you're the Assassin right? The one who was duped by his superiors... :) jk.

So I'm supporting MS by not agreeing with your comments? You surprise me Morgan, as someone who definitely knows how to hold a conversation and articulates himself fairly well, you are so one-sided it is disheartening.

I think your attitude is inherently selfish, why does it matter if 360 owners get to play it? As everyone likes to claim, the game is 'built from the ground up' for PS3, so according to many, the PS3 will be getting the 'superior' version.

So let it be, more people will be playing the game, I'm sure someone playing it on the 360 won't affect your enjoyment of the game.

Anyway I'm off to bed, happy to continue the conversation tomorrow. Or you can PM me if you like, hopefully I can instil some 'open-mindedness' in that cold, dark heart of yours ;) another joke yes...

btw I enjoyed the conversation without the usual 'fanboy flinging comments' most people resort to on N4G.

Cheers

[sirbigam]

This game looks real suspect, but I thing I'm more interested in Final Fantasy XIII Verses instead.

[morganfell]

No. The only people I was deceived by were Microsoft. That was as I was a launch buyer and number 1 on the list at my local Gamestop inexplicably even beating the manager onto the reservation queue.

And as in the game I soon learned who the king of deception was and I divested myself in any belief that Microsoft was out to determine the gamer.

Microsoft: "We will win because we will be first to market"

Sony: "We will win because we will offer a superior experience on a superior machine."

My attitude is anything but selfish as I want the best possible experience for gamers. Not the one most available at any cost to the experience itself. There is a point where attempting to be cheap merely cheapens the experience rather than the cost.

[FlameBaitGod]

Well its obvs that games have have had to be down graded thx to the 360, not cus i say it but developers are saying, Google it. If GTA4 had stayed on the PS it would have been bigger, PS owners would have been better games if it wasn't for MS's console, but w/e right. When MS made the contract with SE they knew they would have to make games to fit their console, that's only obvs. MS wouldn't allow SE do the same game on the PS3 looking way better cus they knew that people wouldn't buy it, that's y its safe to say that MS payed A LOT for that game to be on the 360 with the same graphics as the PS3

MOD Edit:

For future reference, the use of the words SDF or M$ with the dollar sign within a comment will be deleted, if you continue to use M$ or $ony etc then you may recieve a banning, this goes for everyone.

[Kassanova07]

Why do ppl hate installs so bad? If it makes the game run better then I'm all for it. On topic, the older I get the less interest I have in FF. End of Eternity looks more appealing atm.

[gaffyh]

@1.33 - I agree dude, I always install even if it is optional on PS3. On 360 I don't install anything because I only got a 20GB HDD, and only 7 GB is left on it :(

[meepmoopmeep]

Dead Space and Eternal Sonata have no installs
and reviews even said they load faster than the 360 ones.

weird eh?

[lowcarb]

Shadowflare: UC was knocked off the map the day Geow2 stepped on the scene. Also it didn't look better than part one, but part one of gears didn't look better than uc1 either. Stop the fud bud!

edit 1.31 morganfell: great post

[All-3]

That's right - the PS3 blu-ray --> DRIVE is slower than the DVD drive in the Xbox 360. That's a FACT.

Any informed person KNOWS why there are mandatory installs for PS3 games... and WHY they are required.

---

--> The compression on 360 games cause longer loading times than if left uncompressed.

The compression techniques are so good these days that in MANY instances --> the difference between loading times by streaming from a hard drive ie with many PS3 games --> is NOT dramatically faster vs the Xbox 360 versions loading times from compressed game data off the DVD-9 discs.

--> His claim of lowering the quality of the image(?) or audio(?)is wrong. Is that what you meant?

The difference between uncompressed video is NOT as dramatic as many seem to claim --> BESIDES <-- even PS3 games utilize COMPRESSION --> even with up to 50GBs of disc space available.

ALSO - to all those screaming about the blu-ray capacity advantage... MORE disc capacity hasn't resulted in a general trend towards --> LONGER in-game singleplayer PS3 gameplay, has it?

[All-3]

Whether or not it is the fault of so-called --> inexperienced programmers ISN'T the point.

The FACT remains that mandatory installs are a requirement of MANY PS3 games - YES or NO?

Now tell everyone WHY those games require mandatory installs when those games have up to 50GBs of blu-ray disc space available to them.... go ahead - TELL US... I'll wait.

---

The so-called AGE demographic of PS3 owners isn't MY findings... go look it up.

BTW - I own ALL THREE systems. The PS3-360 and Wii.

I couldn't care less about the size of the demo... READ what I was responding to, and shut up!

--> This will mean lower res textures and much poorer sound.

How much lower resolution textures?

How much poorer sound? Does it REALLY matter, when most people DO NOT have any receiver that can process and out put lossless audio. How many STILL don't even have HDTVs????????

--> Microsoft may also have paid Square enough money to reduce the size of the final game to two discs. PS3 owners can shake their heads with this knowledge. Real gamers can also be disgusted that Microsoft will have paid money to ruin a game for everyone. Sad really.

What's SAD is that you make up scenarios and then react to them like they are facts --> when they ARE NOT - LOL!

Carry on...

[morganfell]

Best looking title on any platform with an expansive multiplayer. No install required. That statement alone leaves you with no leg to stand on stubby.

Game, set, match.

[Slime]

Everyone should just ignore morganfell!

His words are poison, nothing he says can be considered honest or intelligent. The only reason he has got this far is because he is too subtle for N4G's mods to notice.

[morganfell]

^^^^ Says the poster that wades into a PS3 thread...

[AAACE5]

I hope Playstation fans (and fanboys) are happy to know that SE do not plan to skimp...GIMP... their version of the game! FFXIII should be exactly what they promised.

But I know some fanboy somewhere is still looking for something to say. Either they will say the Ps3 version will be gimped cause of 360! Or the 360 version will be downgraded!

Pitiful fools... Just be happy the game is coming out!

[thesummerofgeorge]

I'm tempted to start learning Japanese... Things would be so much simpler if I spoke fluent Japanese.

[evrfighter]

I said it before and reading morganfell's comments here I'll say it again.

You seemed to be one of the few posters here at n4g that was not blinded by the goggles. As of late you've not only been blinded by them but have now become somewhat of a propaganda machine.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

"Final Fantasy XIII Demo consumes 5.09GB of space"

"Thats certainly a lot for a demo. Makes you wonder how many discs they 360 version will need"

yeah, but also ps3 and 360 don't use the same file system (along with the fact that the demo has some key features that are geared for ps3 such as 7.1 HD audio and 1080p multimedia)

a small yet good example would be ps3's demo version of bioshock, it was a little short of 2 gbs, whereas 360's version was more less 1 gb.

[morganfell]

Propaganda? No.

Who needs propaganda. I have the truth and real facts on my side.

[DaTruth]

Being one of the people who own a great surround sound system(2 actually) and the fact that it's worth $3500, I would be quite upset with downgraded sound. The fact that PS3 doesn't have analog outputs also upsets me(didn't know till I bought it for cheap, from some guy on the corner, but I happened to have an attachment from my surround sound headphones).

@Morganfell: You have waded over into the one-sided category, but nothing you've said is false and you put it in a way that makes you sound like a university professor. It would be almost impossible to sound intelligent, if you were spreading fud.

edit:Just noticed that you can go over all his posts with a fine toothed comb and not find a single "HA", "LMFAO" or LOL. No fanboy crap whatsoever. How refreshing!

[LinuxGuru]

lol analog per-channel outputs? It's the 21st century, bro! Surely you can afford an HDMI-equipped amplifier to match your top-dollar sound system!

[cmrbe]

people still don't get the concept of multiple consoles.

This is a classic case of why there should be multiple consoles and exclusives.

@I.K. I get your point in that as many gamers should be able to experience this game, true BUT they should buy the PS3 to play it if they want to play it. Same with people that want to play Halo or Gears should buy the x360 if they want to play it.

@ALL-3. This is the of biggest difference between MS and Sony as well as their fans. Just like Crazy Ken, most PS fans don't want any compromise in quality of the gameing expereince. Most PS fans want the best of the best the dev could possibly deliver and not some compromise version gimped so that everyone would be able to play it which basically penalize those with HD def setups. From reading Morgans post this is where he was comming from and i whole heartly agree. Look, even if alot of people don't have HDTV's yet dosent mean that there aren't people with 7.1 surround sound and HDTV's. What about them?.

I say let devs that want to push the boundries in true HD gaming do that on the PS3 as thats where the PS3 strength lies. Similar to what GG, ND and Kojima did. Let the devs develop the best gameing experience they could possibly do and let the users decide weather they want to experience the best way they could experience it by using a 7.1 surround sound with a HDTV or just go SD if they can't be bothered or afford to. Its about choice and the ability to experience the best possible gaming experience currrent tech could muster.

look the opposite of what i just talked about means there will be no innovation and the games will be the same accross the board which will justify only one console. Do we really want that?.

[edgeofblade]

...Makes you wonder how much space could have been saved by a little simple compression. Most people would not know the difference... only the people who obsess about having the "best".

"Uncompressed" digital content is a barefaced LIE.

[morganfell]

Kassanova07,

While I do not think installs should be required it is advantageous when they are optional. As I stated above, there is hardly a viable excuse for a mandatory install when Guerrilla, Naughty Dog, and several others have produced phenomenal titles that required no HDD install. It hardly bolsters the case of those that believe there is a valid reason for requiring them.

That said, game installs are of little consequence to me personally when I can obtain a 500GB HDD for my PS3 for less than $90USD. It isn't as if I am being robbed at gunpoint and having to pay $150USD for a mere 120GBs of drive. Were the similar price applied to the PS3 then a 500GB drive would be $625USD.

If the 360 drives were priced in line with what PS3 owners pay then a 120GB HDD for the 360 would be a mere $21USD. The fact that it is not is without excuse. In basic terms the 360 120GB drive should be 83% cheaper in order to be on par with PS3 prices.

Of course, it would also be proprietary. Something of a virtual set of handcuffs that firmly attach ones wrists to the ankles in a forward bent fashion.

@DaTruth,

The very quest for a superior gaming experience has left me with no alternative but to choose a side. It is one of those odd choices in that it easily made itself.

As regards uncompressed digital content being a lie, one of the single most influential programmers in computer gaming history would disagree with you.

@cmrbe - Bubbles to you my man, bubbles.

[Immortal Kaim]

I see this conversation is still going, with the majority not resorting to the usual 'fanboy' banter, why can't N4G be like this all the time?

I think the distinction between what the PS3 is capable of compared to the 360 in terms of graphical/audio prowess is being blown a little out of proportion. Yes I realise the increased processing power affords different A.I avenues as well as physics calculations etc, but I am yet to see this 'revolutionise' the industry like many think it will.

Of course increased fidelity in terms of sound and graphics (and all it encompasses) is appreciated by the end user, but it doesn't always lead to greater gameplay experiences.

I will tell you MY personal gaming experience this generation, it was BRAID. Essentially a 2D platformer, it isn't pushing boundaries in terms of graphics/sound, but it pushed the boundaries in terms of evoking real emotional responses and outwardly projected its core values, which I might add was perceived by individual players differently. THAT is the type of experience that everyone should have, it is a disgrace that it isn't on PSN for everyone to enjoy, unfortunately that is how the cards have been dealt.

Who knows what FFXIII will deliver, can we really afford to let those types of experiences remain solely amongst the few? The cards have been played, instead of lamenting FFXIII going multiplatform, enjoy what you still have, you will still get to play the game.

[Sarcasm]

"Look, even if alot of people don't have HDTV's yet dosent mean that there aren't people with 7.1 surround sound and HDTV's. What about them?."

Exactly. People who are multi-console owners that happen to have a 7.1 setup, should buy the PS3 version.

For example the PS3 version of COD:WaW is in 7.1 surround sound.

And believe me, playing in 7.1 is a much GRANDER and GREATER gaming experience than playing off the speakers from the TV or even in 5.1. I was playing with a couple friends online and I swear I felt like a better killer just because I could hear wherever they walk.

Sound is perhaps one of the most important aspects that is often overlooked by so-called "hardcore" gamers. Though of course, one-sided 360 gamers will never ever experience it and somehow believe 5.1 is "good enough"

[DaTruth]

It's professional audio, Uncompressed analog provides the best possible sound. They don't even come with digital inputs when you get to that quality.

@Morganfell: I don't recall saying that uncompressed digital content is a lie. In fact, I'm quite certain I wouldn't say that.Maybe I was quoting someone?

[cmrbe]

its always a pleasure discussing with you.

Try MGS4 with a 7.1 surround sound and with at least a 42 inch HD TV and then you know what i am talking about.

MGS4 is the kind of experience i want more off from the PS3 and if it means others gamers will miss out because Kojima didn't compromise with his vision of his game then so be it. This is what i mean that there should be more than one console and exclusive to boot to suit different need and taste.

Kojima picked the PS3 for his masterpiece because the PS3 had what he thought was enough for his vision of his game which apparently wasn't enough. This is one of the justification of multiple consoles.

I don't agree with your idea that games should be made accessible to everyone at the expense of developing the best possible gaming experience the dev could make. More often than not exclusive games offer the best experience possible which also justify multiple consoles.

Put it this way. If EPIC thinks that they would be able to develop the best Gears experience to the best of their abilities by going exclusive and develop on the x360 then i am 100% for it. In this way the best possible Gears of War experience is developed and could be experience without any compromise and those gamers that want to experience it should buy a x360 for it. The same with MGS4 on the PS3.

Gamers should get use to the fact that if they want to experience all that gaming has to offer they need to own multiple consoles. The alternate is a one console gen where all the games will be quite similar across the board.

As for the dissission. The thing is you and people on this tread are not trolls. You have always been a very resonable person. If people are reasonable then i will be resonable to them. I am sure its the same with all logical PS and xbox fans.

[Immortal Kaim]

The pleasure is all mine mate.

I certainly see your point, and contrary to my statements I am not asking the developers to compromise their initial vision, if it is only possible on a certain platform. Yet if MGS4 was ported to the 360 (obviously with multiple disks and using compression techniques), it will not be affecting your enjoyment of the game you had already experienced, it is simply opening up Kojima's masterpiece to more people. Intern that creates more revenue for the Dev/Pub in question, which leads to more products.

The days of 3rd party exclusives is abruptly coming to a close (this sentiment is echoed by the three big players), with sky-rocketing development costs we will continue to see more multiplatform titles. Should we berate these companies (ie Square-Enix) for branching out into avenues that will ultimately create more revenue? I think the companies that have chosen multiplatforms (in my opinion wisely), are unjustly coping a negative stigma regarding a supposed compromise in quality...

P.S I have had the pleasure of experiencing MGS4 in all its glory (thanks to my brother), I actually have a copy of the game (thanks to an IGN competition) and can't wait to play it again when I get my PS3.

[cmrbe]

thats a diffrent case then and i agree with you on that. I said it a couple of times in countless MGS4 x360 port rumor articles that i really don't mind MGS4 going to the x360 knowing that Kojima did the best he could with MGS4 on the PS3 meaning his vision for MGS4 for PS3 wasn't compromised. In return more gamers get to experience it and Kojima gets more money which he definately deserves.

Even though it won't be the way it was suppose to be experienced at least those who can't afford a PS3 will be able to at least play it and those who have the option could buy it for the PS3 when they get one.

Its no different from Bioshock. The way bioshock is meant to be played is with the x360 version but it was good that other gamers were also able to expereince it although it was the inferior version but the original vision which is the x360 version wasn't compromised.

This type of scenario is alright with me but for me personally i would rather buy a x360 to play the original version as was intended by the dev but hey, thats just me.

The thing is with FF13 is now we wonder what could have been if this game was solely designed completely for the PS3. The Demo looks amazing which has restored alot of my faith in SE. I honestly didn't expect much but it was a great surprise.

[N4Flamers]

FFXIII was in developement for the PS3 for about 2 years before they announced the 360 version, which we all know is going to be a port, its going to have more than 2 disc's. I imagine with all this time that that they have to make it, the game is going to be great, the demo itself gave me an excitement over the possibilities of the game.

Im glad the gamerhaters are getting over the I hate square because they want to make money, heres a thought if you dont like them so much, dont buy their games, youre the only one who is going to be missing out on that experience.

[pwnsause]

uh oh.

[cmrbe]

5.09 GB for a 1 hour demo?. This can't be right. Otherwise. The x360 version is going to be in alot of trouble.

[PirateThom]

To accomodate, the 360 version will have highly compressed textures because unlike the PS3 version, which can use the same textures over, the new textures will have to be on each disc for the 360 version.

Also, if the PS3 version gets HD FMV, the 360 version probably won't. Same will lossless audio.

I'm now officially more interested in the 360 version from a technical point of view.

[meepmoopmeep]

yeah, it will have a lot of compression or more disks.
maybe no HD audio either

[J-Train]

uh oh spaghettio!!!

[Strife Lives]

Thats alot.

[Ninver]

Yeah i almost feel sorry for my fellow 360 only owners lol ALMOST!.

[JaPo]

Looking through this topic, all I see is you spouting your inane fanboy agenda when, in truth, you're totally missing the point. No-one in their right mind should give two hoots about what a disadvantage this'll be to people on another platform. Seriously - why would it matter to you?

I hope a mod reprimands this chump, as it's his kind which bring the site to such a level.

On topic - that's pretty huge. I sure as hell wouldn't want to download it. Based on Square's recent outings, it's actually debatable whether this'll be an AAA title. I'll reserve judgement, though.

[Kushan]

What makes anyone think they really cut the "demo" down much from the original game?
Look at FF7 for example - 3 disks, right? Well disk 1 contains every single area in the entire game, every single animation (Even though you couldn't access most of it), every piece of music. The only thing that differed between each disk was the FMV sequences.
I'm sure that 5Gb demo contains a LOT of the game that you simply cannot access, but would take too much time to cut away.

[starvinbull]

A better comparison would be FF8 where on disc 4 almost every major location on the game is locked off behind magical walls because they could only fit a set number of all the games locations on each disc.

[Ngai]

I think square is too scared to give consumers that kind of information.. even tho we cannot acces it directly. Some hackers might. I dont think it contains anything else then the demo requires.

[NeoCloud]

I want to ask you guys something, Will this ever come out on JP PSN??

[cmrbe]

5GB for 1 hour demo is just crazy. Yeah if true i can see why it was on the blu-ray disc.

[starvinbull]

Seriously though, that's hillarious. The demo is 5GB the complete game is...? Surely at least another 20GB. I'd wager that at least another 5GB would be taken up by cutscenes.

[timmyrulz]

and you know that it will only be 5 gig because......

[PirateThom]

And you know there will be an install because...?

[xabmol]

Is FFXIII going to be on a 100 gig Bluray?! That's like over 15 DVDs!
HOLY SHlTBALLS BATMAN!!

[Drealmcc0y]

Theres going to be 25 minutes worth of install EVERY time you play FFXIII on PS3 just like MGS4(Yes I have MGS4 so dont tell me it doesnt it bludy well does)

And FFXIII on 360 will have 4-5 discs that will take 30 seconds to take out the disc and and put a new one in. So 30 time 4 or 5 is 2- 3 minutes. I'll take 2 to 3 minutes over 25 minutes thanks.

360 version superior FTW.

Every single multiplat in existence is best on 360.

Seeing as 95% of game these days are multiplat, 360 gamers win.

Just try and spin it PS3 fanboys, just try.

Edit: PirateThom, you just stated below me you reckon FFXIII will be on 30 discs, but yet, you tell me that im wrong because I have no proof. Talk about a hypocrit

Edit: Zermeno, what kind of pathetic excuse is THAT! LMAO
The same way i replay FFVII, VIII and IX, all these years later! Because it says disc 1, 2 and so forth. Poor PS3 fanboys are reaching

[PirateThom]

Proof? None?

Right, bye.

Edit: New word to learn: http://dictionary.reference...

[cmrbe]

you win the most delusional xbot award.

[Zermeno_90]

good luck finding which disc goes first lol

@caffman
it's a joke, no need to stuff DVD's up your ass

[Dragun619]

Well, for one Final Fantasy XIII lead platform is PS3
And Two I'm sure if there is an install, you could just install it and play the game with no hassle in between such as Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4, or Bioshock Which the Disc reads at a good constant rate along with Data streamed from the Hard drive thus delivering the best experience for the player. Its the reason why there's a Hard drive And evidently, Many developers have chosen to take advantage of it.

Either that or it'll won't have an install or not as big such as COD4, R1,R2, and Killzone 2

[caffman]

you tend to start with the disc with a big number 1 on it. Heres a site that may help you
http://funschool.kaboose.co...

[FamilyGuy]

It was said AGES ago that the loading in this game would be steamed and we have already seen it at work in the demo. the battle transitions and cut scene transitions are seamless

[heyheyhey]

installs on PS3 have been becoming a rarity as of late with streaming techniques of the BD getting better..

what makes you so sure the PS3 version will have an install?

we know for certain the 360 version will be on multiple disks... if an ickle demo takes up 5 gigs

360 fanboys on complete BS mode

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

my guess is the 360 version will have about 2 to about....ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 202309309393834838438403838233 2748748723472387432873287732878 7486435687475734864657846487583 4774675708594859809576675487464 5643764593 discs, yeah thats about right

[caffman]

well if you are into stuffing DVDs up your ass then fair play to you. Not my cup of tea but it takes all sorts to make a world

[snake-OO]

the first install for metal gear was 8 min , the rest were 2-3 min dumb ass

[dash--]

Most multiplat games were made on xbox first so yeah they look and ran slightly better. But FF13 is made of on the PS3 first then it will be ported over to the xbox.

[timmyrulz]

i know it will have an install because.

A. Its made in Japan, i cant think of any ps3 games made in japan with no install.

B. Its multiplatform, there are very few if any games that are multiplatform with no intstall

C. The sheer size of the game tells me that they will be an install

I could be wrong but if i was a betting man i know which answer i would put my mortgage on

[PirateThom]

A. Valkyria Chronicles, White Knight Chronicles, Street Fighter IV
B. I can name loads, in fact, I OWN SOME!!!?!!?!
C. Oh, well, that's definitely proof... :-/ I predict the 360 version will be on about 30 discs because the game is so big

Now, I'm not saying there won't be an install, but to claim there will be one, without any proof is ridiculous.

[cmrbe]

So because a game is going to be at least 25 gigs it will require a mandatory install on the PS3 with blu-ray and no install for x360 with a DVD drive?.

The white engien was develooped with the Ps3 in mind. Even if there is an install. I really don't mind. After what i have seen with MGS4. I welcome installs anyday.

[II Necroplasm II]

My guess would be 5 disk on the 360 version.

But I can tell you one thing, there is no way FF13 will sell more on the 360 because of japan for one thing.

[FamilyGuy]

"B. Its multiplatform, there are very few if any games that are multiplatform with no intstall "

This games was built on the PS3 from the ground up/start so this multiplatform argument is null. Not to mention most installs on the PS3 are NOT mandatory. They're mostly optional to speed loading times.

If they did a good job there will be NO install whatsoever as we've seen already that they're "stream loading" which is what is supposed to take away ALL loads times according to PS3s devs which make game installs COMPLETELY unnecessary.

As a matter of FACT I just PROVED there will be NO large or even somewhat large install for this game.

[heyheyhey]

only about 5-10% of PS3's library has an install of any sort... even fewer have the 5 gig one

Fallout 3 and White Knight Chronicles don't have an isntall.. why does FF13 necessarily need to have one?

[Gue1]

I can't believe these delusional sony fanboys are calling delusional to other person just because he's stating the true. Seriously, I have 12 PS3 games and all of them require mandatory install.

There's even someone saying that only 5% to 10% require installs? That's BS because only like 5% to 10% are the ones that don't require an install. And ALL of the games that have optional install are slow as F@%$ if you don't install them.

[snake-OO]

i will take install over disc swapping, i think any1 with the right mind would.

[OmegaSlayer]

You should count that all the combat assets are in common, more animation are in common, so at least 2,5 GB are common data.
What is sure is that the more you compress the data, the longer the loading times will be.

Picking the 360 version will absolutely not be the wisest decision.
Every true FF fan will buy the game for the PS3 but I'm sure many 360 fanboys will buy the game just to boost sales on their console.

[cmrbe]

since they are obsessed with sales numbers.

[maxcer]

lol every true FF fan? 360 version for me because i don't have the need for two systems at this point for one, the high price is another, and no BackwardsCompatibility. I was going to pick up a PS3 when FFXIII dropped but I'm holding off now until a price drop and BC update

[kurochi]

@4.2

So, I assume you're not a fan of Uncharted, God of War, Metal Gear, Ratchet or the Kill Zone series? You must only like RPGs than??? Because by my count, those series that I just named pretty much covers all of the genre of games that are out there.
Be real man, go get a PS3 and support it. These games are awesome and the developers should be rewarded for their hard work. Just so you know, I support all 3 consoles. So, I'm not just talking out of my axx.

[maxcer]

i'd love to play those games and get a PS3, but like i stated above: Price and BC are factors in my decision to stay with one console for now.

[Sarcasm]

"Price and BC are factors in my decision to stay with one console for now. "

Do yourself a favor and DON'T BUY A PS3.

Because with all of the exclusives coming out on PS3 and the mysteriously unannounced 360 exclusives, you'll be broke on the PS3 exclusives alone since you obviously have some money issues.

Otherwise, people with money that doesn't mind to Pony up for a True HD experience, will get themselves a PS3 as well as a 7.1 setup.

[maverick1191]

it baffles me that 360 people still think it will look better on 360 with multiple discs LOL clearly it wont some of it will be compressed i dont see why people would want a game with multiple discs when you can get it uncompressed on just one disc

[J@D]

WOW* just WOw*

[Omega4]

if its 5GB for 1hr, that means the game is either going to be really short or on multiple blurays

I bet this game will be the one to break the install size record

[raztad]

@Omega

Sorry dud, but among several intelligent comments, your really shines. Its such amazing that is very hard to me to know if you are being sarcastic, making fool of yourself or just joking perhaps?

This is epic, best comment EVAR. If FFXIII is on several blurays how many DVD-9 do you expect for the 360 version?

Moving on, Im really curious about how SE is going to solve the technical hurdles of porting this game to the 360, pretty interesting. Jrpgs are pretty much a linear experience, probably 3 dvds will make the trick and graphics-wise the quality will be roughly the same. Here's hopping PS3 version wont get downgraded.

[AKNAA]

Not only does 360 owners get a Final fantasy game, but also an added wii fit like, bonus workout(disc swapping fun!!!).

[stpiio]

I thought gamers hated Square Enix now (well i do).

[FamilyGuy]

The demo restored faith in the square enix brand name. Did you not watch the live stream of some dude playing the demo yesterday night like the rest of us?
I was never planning on skipping the game but the demo put it up with GOW 3 for me and Versus is being said to be like KH Mature so thats another instant buy.

[raztad]

I have no faith in SE. This gen they have done nothing worth for the RPG genre so far. I expect FFXIII and versus be amazing games, but they are still very far. Exclusivity deals, much more effort on portables than on consoles, mediocre games. Well, Im not expecting much from this company, maybe if they make KHIII at least multiplat some faith can be restored. Meanwhile, SEGA is doing an amazing job, VC and now this new mature looking game, End of Eternity could mean a refreshing change in the rpg publishers spectrum.

[Sarcasm]

Enix IS crap.

But FFXIII is their flagship franchise, and gamers around the world just hope that it's good multiplatform or not.

[Shadow Man]

I'm guessing that the 360 version will require 5 DVD at the maximum and 4 dvd at the minimum.

[d0nT wOrrY]

loooooool keep swapping bots ahahaahahaha

"insert disk 5 to continue" hahahahaahhhhhhhhhhhh

i hope the game will have missions in a previous places just to feel the pain of owning that piece of crap hahahah

[Narutone66]

It will probably sell more on the 360, because they will have to buy 3 or more copies of the game.

[Dogswithguns]

It's gonna be one good game then....

[Droid Control]

What, once every 24 hours (play time)
Get off your lazy asses!

You swap disc to play other games don;t you? To watch movies? You do this every day!

You won't leave FF in your disc tray for months until you've finished it will you?

So what the frak are these frak-tarts talking about?

[FamilyGuy]

You just made me realize how lazy I am.

I LITERALLY play SCIV almost exclusively because I hate to get up and swap disc. I havn't watched a blu-ray movie in months even though i still buy them. I just watch downloaded movies. Its as if:
Getting up
removing disc
grabbing proper case from shelf
placing disc in proper case
placing proper case back on shelf
grabbing new case from shelf
removing game/movie from new case
placing new movie/game in machine
placing empty new case back on shelf
and FINALLY sitting back down

is too much work for me.

LMMFAO
Im so f*cking lazy, but im organized. Dont wanna misplace a disc or leave it around to be stepped on or anything.

[cmrbe]

is last gen. umm.. but then again the x360 is last gen lol!.

[zoneofenders]

well cut the voice acting from NPCs and cut half of the voice acting in the main story i think it will be fitted into xbox360.

[Sarcasm]

Or lower the resolution of the FMV cutscenes to 480p and it will fit 3 DVDs.

[DJmizuhara]

And the demos only 40 minutes long...

[meetajhu]

Can't wait. I love that game it looks so good i'm getting the PS3 version and the music and the gameplay,RPG elements. The only thing that is backing me off is the fuc*in* battle system which is "turn based" i know that the battle visuals and enemies look amazing still it remains a lackluster.

[xdye017]

Have fun waiting 1 hour for installation.

[-x.Red.x-]

that's better then inserting disk 5

try not to lose them
RoFL

[Narutone66]

You might end up buying 3 or more copies of the game.

[MaximusPrime]

wow. going to be brilliant on PS3, graphically. Makes you wonder how xbox 360 will fare.

[no_more_trolling]

im just happy that ill get to play it. so watever u wanna say lol. i could care less about changing disc. we have it no matter what u people say lol

[MaximusPrime]

xbot:

"insert disc 2"
where is it?? *searches* i cant find it! *searches*

PS3 fan:

"im busy playing. no interruptions what-so-ever "

[jivah]

i red sumwhere dat square may b goin wit da 100gig blu ray from panasonic..but who knows..we can onli speculate until release..
but until it does..den Burn Zombie Burn!!!!

[Drealmcc0y]

LOOOOOL
PS3 fanboys ACTUALLY believe half hour installing is better than 5 minutes of disc swapping throughout the whole game

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Shane Kim]

I rather have the game install once than have to change disks all the time since this is more or less a free roaming game or whatever its called. Imagine you want to travel from one city to another...change disk please.

[lokiroo420]

playinf ff13 on 360: "please insert disc 3", flash flash flash,warranty?

[Cherchez La Ghost]

5-Gig is crazy for a demo! Hell, how long is the demo?!

[DJmizuhara]

40 minutes long...and about 25 of the 40 minutes is actual gameplay the rest are in-game cut scenes.

[KingsofOmega]

Please SE don't nerf this so the 360 can handle it, or I guarantee I will not be buying it.

Atleast we still have FFXII VS to show the REAL power of the PS3.

[djaparatic]

no way xbox version could ever compete with ps3 .. DEMO is 5 gb and DVD can store 4 ... now kill me but .. you all know how long does it take to pass final fantasy game .. minimum 60 hours...and yet then youll pass probably just main story.... now one hour is letsay 7 gb and you multiply it with 60 = 420 gb lool ok it will not have so much but whatsoever...... so ps3 version would eighter have threelayered bluray disc or come on two separated bluerays. . .gimme a break .. FFXIII for 360 would comme minimaly on 5 DVDs which are all in huge compression. And yes it will look terribly bie ps3 version. so yes.. IM BUYING PS3 ... and this game (microsoft is just trying to screw ps3 because the 360 is cheaper so people who cant afford it would by 360 version... but i think most of the fans and people would buy ps3 version ... because it brings much more JOY ^^

[gameman]

then the full game at least 6 DVD's sh!t that really suck @$$ bots good luck on your swapping

[gameman]

well installing 30min one time is way better than (insert disk ) each time i enter a city

[Salta_nelas]

This is hilarious.

I am really curious to see how will SE cramp up the whole game onto the 360...considering only this demo part takes about 5BG of disk space, i cant stop wondering how will it fair for a 70hr game with sharp graphics and sound. Probably compression and more compression and some disk swaping.

Also, if there is an option to install the game onto the HDD to reduce loading times count me in.

How can some of you fanboys say intalls take 30 min? The biggest install ever was DMC which took 22 minutes! The rest of the games that preform mandatory installs dont take longer than 9-10 min and you only have to do it once, like on the PC. Also it improves the whole game experience for us.

[bob saget remix]

It just makes everything better.

[Narutone66]

that's why they're not too happy that it will probably come in multiple disc. With the disc-scratching defect of the 360, well, it might probably sell more on the 360 (you have to buy multiple copies of the game).

[KruLLit]

It took 5 GB space because they dont want to waste time compress it and it won't come out on PSN or whatever so why even bother.

[OmegaSlayer]

I'm starting to think that Microsoft tried to "steal" this franchise to have a benefit for their console, but in the end everything will backfire.

1-At least 70% of FF fans are concerned that the game has been gimped to be made on the 360 (and the news about the weight of the demo are not good)

2-The game on the 360 won't ever be on par with the PS3 due to the compression, and Microsoft will find itself in the position in which, to show strenghth, it will appear weaker than the competition.

I start to think that this move is a suicide announced with a great fanfare.

[ultimolu]

...That's no good.
If that's the case, then the other version is gonna have problems.

[divideby0]

swapped out my Launch 60G with a 75 buck 320G.....lol...I dont care how big these demos or installs are...total non issue

[ALoneWolves]

You guys should do some research, 4.4GB is uncompressed CGI videos, the engine, animations, sounds and textures use about 600mb, which is pretty average.

That 4.4GB will get compressed for the PS3, and it will also get compressed for the 360.

Just why would the devs bother for the demo when they were getting no where near filling up the disc.

[bob saget remix]

The 360 version of the game is going to easily use 4-7 disks. Who knows maybe even more. Its for sure at least 4. There going to compress the hell out of it to. If you have a PS3 and 360. You would be a tool to get it for the 360.

[Marty8370]

lol

[bigjclassic]

I hope seriously that Square will not dumb down this game for the other console and that PS3 owners get the HD FF game we all wanted. If I were have of you on N4G I would import FFXIII I have a feeling the U.S. version may be a little different from the Japanese one.

[starvinbull]

I doubt it will even sell much in the USA anyway it's more of a Euro, Japan thing. Why they bothered paying for US and European versions is beyond me. They won't even get their money back on the 360 sales of it.

[TwistedMetal]

the x360 will have 10 discs they will have to continuely swap to go back to past areas. ps3 version is the obvious and smart gamer descision that true hardcore gaers would make. i honestly cant wait for this game and versus 13. ps3 ftw baby. 3D ff series should only be played on the ps3

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

I'm going to arrive at GAMESTATION with a truck so i can purchase the 360 version....

only to find out that the street long truck is not big enough for the 202309309393834838438403838233 2748748723472387432873287732878 7486435687475734864657846487583 477467570859485980957667548746 4564376459 discs LMAO!!

[zonetrooper5]

I personally don't get the fuss over swapping discs, is it really that hard to get up and change a disc every 20 hours or so?

[KruLLit]

I agree, I did it for FF VII,VIII,IX so why not in XIII?

[maxcer]

I can see SE or MS setting up a mandatory install for FFXIII on 360, maybe like an install disc. FFXI had a near full install, they might be going that route again

[TwistedMetal]

and disc swapping is ps1 era dude. it really shows how outdated the x360 is when its stealing a ps1 2 gens ago feature. x360 owners will have a 20gb hardrive install so a lot of you gonna have to spend a 100+ for the bigger drives and the game which is dumb. then you guys will all of a sudden be like oh wait installs are good lol. but that doesnt work for you guys becuase you stuck with crap overpriced small hardrives.

[fossilfern]

How can you do a manditory install when there are 360 owners without a harddrive ? You have to admit MS have really shot themselves in the foot here so if it does have mandatory install thats a good chunk of people not being able to play it and thats not fair at all

[maxcer]

you can say the same for all the DLC and XBLAgames out there.

unless the game is so linear,that changing back to the first discs isn't needed, i wouldn't mind an install if it upped quality and sped up loading times

[DW]

well I guess back in 1997 when I played ffvii and the other titles before 10 it made sense but this is 200x man ... 1 game 1 disc. (^_ ^)

Unconfirmed WII Scenario:

Please insert disk 2.
WII System Error - disc 2 big :)
Please insert disk 3.
Please insert disk 4.
Please insert disk 5.
Please insert disk 6.
Please insert disk 7.
Please insert disk 8.
Please insert disk 9.
Please insert disk 10.
Please insert disk 11.
Please insert disk 12.
Please insert disk 13. <--- FF XIII damn, never made it.

[DJ]

I'm starting to think this will be the first game released on two Blu-ray discs, and possibly 12 DVDs.

[andron]

Interesting...

[Ninjamonkey]

ok those saying about installs please screw your heads on...

all done? good.

MGS4 should never have had installs. Uncharted's graphics are nearly as good, and Killzone 2's graphics are way in advance.

And BOTH do not use installs.

And whats more, killzone 2's levels take up 2gigs each. It would never fit on one DVD disk in its current form.

So if FF13 is done WELL, then it will not be needing installs meaning the ps3 version will get all the benefits.

Plus you must remember theyve not enev started the 360 version yet, and they said theyre rignt now not holding back becuase it will be a port, so the 360 version might not even look as good.

as I see it if you have both consoles get the ps3 version, if you only have a 360, who cares, youve still got a great game =D

[PirateThom]

Metal Gear Solid 4's installs actually had a point though. They allowed the octocamo to change in real time (amongst other things).

Take into account how many textures are used in that game, the fact they're all applied automatically on the fly to the octocamo suit and can be stored for future use is something a lot of people overlook with that game.

[Namikaze_Minato]

Hahahahaha! The PS3 version will be better... and I'll buy one because of that. =D

FFXIII PS3 = WIN

[Coolrah]

Now its a definite that its gonna be atleast 4 -6 disc...plus just imagine if your 360 scratches one of them ooooo thats gonna boost its sale so much....

[Grimhammer00]

I think the only issues really important to PS3 owners is whether the game will suffer from MS deal with SquareEnix. And if we all look at this from a marketing and corporate viewpoint, SqaureEnix is very likely going to gimp the PS3 version. To do otherwise is to blatantly wave a "PS3 is better" flag!
I can't see how this wasn't an issue brought up during the infamous meeting with MS & SquareEnix...and I'm certain MS saddled them with restrictions.
I have both systems - love them both. But from a storage viewpoint...PS3 is undisputed.

This being said - changing discs every so often is a minor point when getting to play such an awesome game (we all hope).

What will be interesting is to see how Sony & MS price this game.

[Lucreto]

I don't know how they will get it on the 360. Firstly it is HD sound and picture. Secondly I heard that most NPCs will be voiced and tons of high quality CG and this is only 50% of the PS3's power.

There are 2 ideas I can raise from this:

1. SE didn't investigate if it would work on the 360 at all. Considering that haven't started the 360 version.

2. The 360 version will be stripped down. Remove the HD sound and compress it to an inch of its life and remove voice acting like thay did for TOV.

[jackdoe]

They should be able to fit it onto four disks IF they have lower quality FMV and lower quality sound. Those two things take the most space. If they want to fit it on fewer DVDs, then they would probably start stripping unimportant voice overs (which could probably carry over to the PS3 version as they will just not localize a particular NPC in the West, another good reason to learn Japanese and play the game this year).

[Lucreto]

It depends if MS waives the royality fees they have on the 3 or more disks as well.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

The development of games are moving into a new direction. HD quality is priority. Now we're seeing space storage being considered a factor. Sony took a huge gambit with Blu-Ray. As just MS took a gambit not installing a HD drive for the 360 and sticking with DVD9. I agree with most of you, that we do not want a "gimped" version of FF just because of the limited storage of DVD9. I haven't played a FF game since FF10. You know N4G will be on fire for the "FF13 PS3 vs. 360" article when it surface. I'm not saying a word until this game comes out. MS better have Blu-Ray for the next Xbox.

[jackdoe]

Sigh. This pretty much confirms no demo in the US if they don't bundle it with Advent Children Complete. There is no way in hell Square, or any developer, would release a demo that is 5GB in size.

[XPC HARDonE]

compress the lossless audio, I say 3 discs on the 360

[fossilfern]

Thats nearly a full 360 DVD :O well it is defenatly going to be a multi DVD game on 360 while i will happly put 1 Disc in my PS3 :)

[Ninjamonkey]

@grimhammer

actually square enix is going all out on the ps3 version, the porting to the 360 I believe, so the 360 may end up worse, it depends on how well its done and if the 360 can do it.

[PeterGriffinSays]

I'm proud of Square Enix for not crumbling under the pressure to lower the quality for BOTH PS3 and X360. This story 100% confirms that the 360 version will need multiple discs if they want to experience anything near what PS3 owners are in for.

Basically, regardless of the fact that M$ stole FFXIII from PS3 owners, if you want the full, non-compressed experience, get it on PS3.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

But is it any damn good?

[gumgum99]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DW]

didn't they say a while back that publishers, producers whathaveyou would never fill up those 50GB discs??? I guess they found a way. Still that off load if 5GB is really not that big ... damn 10 years ago I would have said that was unacceptable; now I don't think so.

[Obama]

Mark my words, there will be numerous stories about scratching discs when the 360 version is released.

[boss_killa]

im glad sony gambled on bluray, even if it cost them in the beginning.

MS gambled on sticking with dvd9, and has worked for them so far but i have a feeling as time goes by more developers are gonna find themselves limited by it. and by developers i mean the ones that always wanna push a systems limits and capabilities. developers like kojima and square.

the true test will be when ff13 versus comes out. if ff13 looks better, has more content, has a bigger game world all on 1 or 2 blurays then i guess we'll all know that the 360 held back the ps3 version of ff13.

[Neo604]

cover art confirm:
http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

[Neo604]

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

The Xbox 360 gives a whole new meaning to Final Fantasy "XIII". 13 DVD's.

[MmaFanQc]

even if it take 10gb i wouldnt give a fock since the ps3 hdd can be easily updated at low cost.

peoples whinning should delete some pr0n and stfu

[ssipmraw]

if the demo, i repeat demo of FFXIII on ps3 is 5 gigs for roughly one hour of gameplay, then how do you suspect they will put this game on the 360 without completely changing the game.

[MmaFanQc]

i missed the point...lol

[KrimsonKody]

A Sega Genesis (360), SegaCD/32X (PS3) quality difference coming into play here?

Hmm :/

IMO, I might just wanna play that demo. With a demo that large, you should definitely be able to decide upon completion whether or not you actually want to experience the full game.

Oh,
And one of two things will be inevitable for the 360;
FFXIII WILL be compressed or
It will be the 1st 360 game packaged on multiple discs.
For obvious reasons, the 3rd option is lefted out;
Cancellation of the 360 version altogether.

I highly doubt S/Enix will 'overhaul' or 'downgrade' any elements or material for the sake of one system.

If this keeps up, I can see S/Enix cancelling FFXIII and re-announcing a brand-new FF ( exclusive to 360 ) that will release shortly after FFVersus.
IMO

[HDgamer]

Wow so I guess Lost Odyssey wasn't the first 360 game to come with 4 discs.

[Allowen]

I don't remember having problems with swapping disks on my old PS1 but I DO remember having bad problems doing that with games on my PC.

In a PC to install a game takes a while.... and when you arer on the last CD that needs to be installed you noticed it is not accepted by your computer because it has a bug or a scratch.

For ppl thinking where is the problem of swapping CD/DVDs that is why.
Also they want to put THREE or more discs in a small box that normally can garantee safety for only one disc.

Just my 2cp, to have ANY game . PC or VG in more then TWO discs is too risky to bother if you can easilly evade the problems by buying the game via Download or in a bluray-disc.

[Allowen]

I have old PC games like Far Cry , F.E.A.R and Everquest2 that I can't install then any more because one of the DVD/Cds are scratch.

Like I said above, the box quality to hold one disc is the same that carries 2 or 3 discs and it is to ask to get scratch.

I doubt that the version of FF13 for the xbox360 that might be like 3,4 or 5 DVD9 each disc will come on its own dvd box for safe keep.
make many boxes will raise too much the price of the game... they will some how fit all the necessary discs in a single small box probably.

[ssipmraw]

but if you think about it it would be then impossible for the 360 to use installs, as most hardrives cant hold it.

[HDgamer]

People are forgetting that the 360 can install games now.

[DW]

So I guess an upgrade is in order for those that haven't gone pass the 100GB barrier yet ... but having the discs are a pain man. Like another user mentioned above, imagine when one gets scratched ... it poses all kinds of problems with replay, current play, and saved games .... you're often force to buy a game again.

Gamers should take care of their games but who does anyways?

[MriownBOTH]

who cares people will like it on their 360 no matter what...leave it at that....

and at morgan....if Microsoft is gimping ps3 games....why inst Sony doing anything to SAVE them.....if it was that important to them dont you think they would do something?

Sonys already knows that ff will sell like a hotcake compared to the 360 "NO MATTER WHAT" espically in japan.

and for the 360 fans...most of them wont even care that its coming out on the 360....because if your a ff fan....youll get it for ps3...or go out and buy a ps3.

stop being so one sided. it doesn't matter what you say or think on this website expect for ps3 cronies.

[IaMs12]

Ok i can see peoples point about MS ruining exculsives and what not for the PS3, but honestly i do not think thats the case at all. Look at Rage, the 360 has to be compressed due to lack of space but it has not effected the PS3 version at all.

Really, why does it matter if it goes to the 360? You guys got BioShock which was an awesome game and from ALL i heard from both Xbox fanboys and others that they didnt mind it going multi due to more people being able to play it. I dont Freaking care anymore to be honest. Im happy i have the chance as a single console owner to play a game that many people have enjoyed in the past. I dont care what version your playing and why does it matter if im playing on the Xbox if your on the PS3? Honestly tell me why does that matter? why?

Oh whats the freaking difference between versus anyway.. is it a whole new game FF14? or along the lines like Halo3: ODST?

Sigh, people here will be seeing me less and less on N4PS3G nowadays.

Anyone know a non biased site, with minimal fanboys? Both the 360 and PS3... i just want game info not these F#$ing childish arguements that a certain console is better.

[Re4er]

Jesus Christ! Ok maybe two words. How long is the demo? That's about 10% of how much space my movies take up on the PS3! (and I have a LOT of movies) Sounds interesting maybe if it comes compressed to the Store over here and my god-damn wireless internet starts working on the PS3 I might give it a try. It'd take a year to download on my old connection... that worked at least. :'(