Oh snap: Bioshock Screen Comparison

Bioshock screen shot comparison.

[silverchode]

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[zimbo007]

It is a forum post

posted by BOT force Bloody Sinner

[pixelsword]

...I didn't see quality like that at all; it's almost like he put it on PC and changed the quality and took two pics... also, given that these are aren't direct screenshots, I'll again have to take this as questionable... (since PC screenshots aren't easy for some for some reason) and the guy who collected the pics didn't even take them, he got them online from somewhere.

... I'll take a second look, and if I find anything like that, I'll report it as true, if not, Then the following applies:

Bull; because when I played the demo, I didn't see a single texture that looked bad.

Although if I played this before MGS4, I'm sure I would've been more impressed.

give me until the second day of the week to report.

[pixelsword]

2k games are all on top of it.

[Ali_The_Brit]

Yep Yep report.

[CyberSentinel]

I guess blu ray really was needed. First a sub-HD (640p) version of GTA4 on PShitStation, and now this....boy you lemmings got RAPED THIS GEN!

LMFAO!

[Silogon]

Sad days for Sony. But, hey, look on the brightside atleast they got the health bars looking about on par with the xbox 360 version. That's something, isn't it?

Edit: Gettin' disagrees here, so obviously I'm missing something. So you all are trying to tell me the health bars don't look the same as the xbox 360 version?

Let me see for myself.... (2 min later) ... Yup, you're right, the health bars on the xbox 360 version are a tad, if maybe evena smidge, better looking and more clear. Good call for the disagrees.

[Genesis5]

We already know that anything originaly coded for PC and the 360 does not port well to the PS3. I played the demo last night and the game play is fine.

Now when things are specifically coded for the PS3 it really starting to show what it has under the hood LBP, Killzone2 games that are designed for the cell.

Using a year old PC port is hardly anyway to gage the full power of the PS3. By the way the game does not not look anything like that picture on my PS3 and TV it's a lot better than that.

[Fruit Loops]

You handeled your disagrees well.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

I wouldn't exactly trust screenshots from some random forum out there.

From experiencing just the demo itself, it looks great!

I don't care what anyone says, this is a great game.

Hmm: disagrees rolling in.

Is the game not good? Can we trust random forums like this?

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about.

I'm playing the damn demo right now, and it looks really good.

[KobeT24]

yeah your right. the ps3 version far inferior to the 360 color wise, and thats a huge disappointment considering 2K had MONTHS to at least get it up too par. this is embarrassing.

[solidt12]

I think it still looks good after playing the demo but there are some obvious things that didn't port over to the best it could of like sparks, water squirting through cracks and fire graphics. If you didn't play this game on the 360 I say it is still a buy on the PS3 because it is a great game. Plus the PS3 port has Trophies.

[PimpHandStrong]

just like Bush and satan

PS3 is junk

Long live Satan

[muddygamesite]

I personally hope bioshock sells very well. It deserves it. Having minor technical problems like these could be simply be because of the Difficulty associated with running games smoothly on the PS3 using the UE3, However, it will definitely make PS3 owners feel 2k games haven't used the 1 year port time properly. There is no question as to the PS3's capability. Previous releases have proved what the system is capable of achieving. This is most likely a case of "Wrong tools for the job".

I seriously hope a silly pixelated Big Daddy comparison Shot won't put people off this game (according to the 2k forums, people have already cancelled their pre-orders). If anything, this should be a lesson to developers to try and get PS3 multi-platform titles out the same time as the xbox360 counterparts. That way, the game will have a better chance of being properly appreciated by the target audience.

Thank you all

[gambare]

I have to check the final build

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yoda-...

[C_SoL]

Gamesblow is just being an arrogant fool.

Sad days for Sony ey?? If I could recall Sony has more exclusives coming out this holiday season then any other console platform period

EDIT:@Above:Thanks, now that looks like the final build.

thezeitgeistmovement.com October 10.

[Lelouch V Brit]

Great Pictures, Xbox 360 Version Looks Better Than PS3 Version.

Edit: Disagree?, Check This:
http://forums.2kgames.com/f...
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yoda-...

[thewhoopimen]

That pic is most likely a fake or poor quality control on 2k's part. I've never seen any pixellation that bad on any other textures from the bathyscape to splicers. Even making the false assumption that the ps3 has problems loading textures, due to less memory... A developer would most likely select to downgrade textures on non-essentials first like ground, windows, toilet stalls, faucets, and other non-essential objects b4 downgrading a main character or object like the big daddy (I'm assuming). Most likely they forgot to swap it out, while they were porting. Besides if you think about it, one texture on a daddy is hardly going to give a ps3 a huge performance hit.

[The Dark Side]

You get disagree cause you saying sad day for Sony. Sony fall strategy is not base on a Bio Shock port Besides people will be playing Socom, Motorstorm 2, Resistance 2, and Little Big Planet. I will say that is a happy day for a PS3 owner. Are you that dumb to think that PS3 owners most anticipated game this Holiday was Bioshock. LMFAO! Your such a fanboy.

[Eddie20101]

Not trying to be a fanboy but it so f-ing obvious that the PS3 picture is doctored.

As for the colors being less bright they can be adjusted on the TV and is just a matter of preference. To me most games on the Xbox 360 at default settings on my LCD look over saturated and too dark, but I can adjust my set to fix that, in fact I can adjust the for each console(because there on separate inputs)so that they pretty much match in color, brightness, and contrast.

I've played both and own it on the Xbox 360, there is no difference in the textures, at least in the PS3 demo and I have a very good eye for detail. the aliasing is not as bad on the PS3 version, the lighting is a little better and the water effects look a little better, but the opening sequence is a little jerky in places, where in those spots it runs pretty smooth on the Xbox 360, it may have been fixed in the full version of the PS3 game. The actual game play is just as smooth on both versions.

It seems a lot of people make comments without using any common sense.

[ape007]

trust me,I have both systems and the matter of fact I love ps3 more cause of the awesome AAA upcoming exclusive(lbp,kz2,r2 heavy rain,gow3)
and the blu-ray being the feature for games(I wish gta 5 be a ps3 exclusive)

but guys,you got to say the truth

I have bioshock on 360 since last year and I finished it 3 times and am now on my forth run on hard and..the 360 version looks much better,trust me am not a fanboy,yes 2k did a bad job porting the game

not only looks beetter on 360 but runs better as well

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

LOL, aside from the first pic (which also have the bright bar on DIFFERENT POSITION), every pics are from the SAME version. The guy doesn't even care to use bit different angles to most pics (totally equal angles are almost impossible, spcially because PS3 version controls suck). Just look at the last one, it comes to the point the 3D model looks more as an real image in PS3 version, while having less color, no visible polygon arests, but still pixelation. I think reducing sharp and pixelize on photoshop never gets old.

Now, I'm not saying PS3 version is on par. I played it on PC last year and that water was so better that I actually laught at PS3 demo when the plane tail was going under, it was like you have a plane full of fruit salt, the water don't make waves or just bubles, but just squirts up.

But the worst transition was the gameplay, PS3 version you can barely aim, even walk is exagerated, like if the controls are too sensive. Taken enemies out with the revolver is a pain in the @ss, you most likely will miss at least a shot and still get hurt once, much better just swing the wrench (Ratchet, it's you?) in their direction or paralize if they are in the water.

What the hell 2K has done in one year? The PC version was good game (I never taked as GOTY material, but good regardless), with good narrative and good controls. But the PS3 demo (and probably the version) is most likely a dumbed down version, with crap gameplay, weak narrative (not really the case, but they should have choose better for the demo, cause that was boring), poor graphics (not so crappy, but still not on par with top PS3 games), spin-off psi-powers that could just be weapons, you don't have that much control of it other than "shoot" (again wrong, but the demo make it looks like it)...

You get it, most people will think this is just more one mediocre shooter. I'm not surprized people already started to canceal pre-order. 2K don't deserve the money.

@DarkSide

You're right man. This just don't have pissed me off because I, as most people, was not holding my breath for this game, because that was real sad indeed... But sad for 2K.

[IzKyD1331]

don't bother with siligon's posts, click his account, he actually thinks people care about his opinion

[Chubear]

I knew it was only a matter of time before the EX-gamespot employees started their crap again. Geez, such low ball editorial articles and are blatant flamebait pieces to help get hits on their sites.

It's disgusting what's happening with the gaming media

[aiphanes]

Looks like they rushed bioshock...

[BLuKhaos]

Am I the only one that notices that these screen shots aren't direct feed?

[Liquid Dust]

"Hey guys,

First, I want to thank you for the acute attention to detail and the Spartan level of expectation our most devoted BioShock fans hold us to, and how excited you are and attentive to the BioShock PS3 demo. When we saw a post asking about issues found in the demo, we jumped on it immediately. And you know what, you're right. The texture in the PS3 demo of the downed Big Daddy does not match our level of quality either. This slipped by. We admit it. However, I want to assure you that this is an exception, and not a rule, and while I regret this oversight, we put a lot of love into making this game look amazing for the PS3 and I'm sure that when you play the rest of the demo you will agree that the textures are not all like this one instance.

As for the other issues and concerns, we are currently diligently working to replicate any bugs, and will report back to you with what we find. Thank you for your vigilance here and moving forward."

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

Interested in seeing how they are going to handle this, hopefully some issues can be fixed in a patch. But something must be done, unacceptable.

I will be picking this title up on PS3, but probably not until November due to LBP, I'm just too addicted to the Beta already, but 2K if you get your sh!t together you'll get a purchase out of me. Love the demo, but you guys need to release a game that is actually complete

[ActionBastard]

It's a shame 360 owners are that insecure they post PC shots and try to pass them off as 350. The community manager at 2K has already stated the 1 Big Daddy texture discrepancy was isolated, "It slipped by" according to 2k Elizabeth. All these other pics are dishonest. Period. Pop quiz: Are these PS3 vs 360 comparison shots or 360 vs PC?

http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img475.imageshack.us...
http://img367.imageshack.us...
http://img143.imageshack.us...

EDIT: The pics I posted are from 2K forum member biofr3ak's 360 vs PC comparison. Resume Haterade consumption.

[DailyAddict]

they are called ports for a reason; cause they are afterthoughts. No developer ever gets a rats ass about a port. They only do them to please the masses. They built the game as a 360/PC game, so I never expected a PS3 port (much like all the rest of the PS3 ports) to be good.

For those that are taking this as a "PS3 is weaker than 360" you're retarded. This has nothing to do with the power of the machines. It's lazy developers doing a lazy job at porting.

[pixelsword]

I played the demo myself. The guy posting it didn't even take the pictures, he said so himself; and the story being alluded to talking about people canceling Bioshock orders linked to a forum which didn't match what the story said.

False.

[thewhoopimen]

Looks like 1.20 beat me to the punch.

Well to all those witless disagrees on my 1.11 post, here's my proof. Direct posting
Check it out yourself. It's a quality issue not a ps3 limitation.

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

stupid fanbois.

[Sergeant Osiris]

because of a multiplat??

ok fanboy...lol

[Sanzee]

Is a genius with words. The health bars are the same! That's nice of you to be a friend to the Sony fans. See PS3 fans? We're not all that bad.

[Pika-pie]

Looks like a texture load issue. Im sure they can fix that but who cares anyway. Better games on the horizon.

[BattleAxe]

If anyone doesn't belive that these photos from a forum aren't doctored then you've got to be just plain stupid.

[NickIni]

That's an incredibly stupid screen shot to compare the two games, one screen shot comparison does not display the graphics for the entire game.

To truly compare the graphics, several screen shots spread throughout the game would give a much better comparison. I think these are the demo screenies, and 2k have already promised the real game is much better.

[No Way]

Oh. Wow. I don't think I've EVER seen that many agrees and disagrees for one person. I mean 55 agrees, and 108 disagrees!?

Haha. But, props on handling the disagrees in a good manner! =P

[Stubacca]

I played the demo and really lied it. I thought it looked and played fine. I never actually played it on the 360 but my mates all said it was awesome, and it even got numerous Game Of The Year awards.

I'm glad I'll finally get a chance to play it on my beloved PS3 but it's a shame it came out when there's loads of great game coming out, such as LBP, Fallout 3 and Resistance 2. And I'm still playing Wipeout HD, Warhawk and Metal Gear Online. So I might have to leave it till another month, but I'm happy it's comin out!

[Final_Rpg]

The version is lazily done.

[HighDefinition]

UE3 and PS3 DON`T mix well.

If anyone is TRYING to say the PS3 can`t HANDLE Bioshock, LOOK at a screen/video of Killzone2. PLease.....Bioshock PS3 won`t even sell well because of LBP. We (alot of people) don`t care about some year old UE3 game, too much is RIGHT around the corner and currently in our hands. (like the LBP beta, which in BETA form is better than ANY retail game on the MARKET)

[Sitdown]

one who clicked disagree.....but I can see an error in your logic. The error is that there will be plenty of people who like Bioshock and not necessarily care about LBP. I finally got into the Beta of LBP...and after a couple of hours, I am seriously thinking about canceling my pre-order and waiting until the game drops in price......at this time I think I am more interested in fps and not collecting items and stickers. Perhaps there is more that I am missing in LPB though.

[HighDefinition]

But that will be the MINORITY.

That`s all.

[solidt12]

Yep, Killzone 2 and plenty of other games can really show off the PS3 graphics. Bioshock looks good but it is still a port from the 360 which can be iffy sometimes. But I still say it is a buy if you haven't played it based off the demo because it still plays well and still looks really good. Like I said above just a few thing didn't port over as well.

[OOG]

for some reason you seem to find a way to bring up killzone and lbp in a thread that has nothing to do with them

[Sitdown]

To be honest, I think that you are going to find a great amount of people who will not buy into this game(LBP). Just out of curiosity...do you think this will be a bigger game for the ps3 than MGS IV was...as far as sales are concerned? I can see this game going the way of Viva Pinata...a game that is considered great, but not necessarily played by all.

[Lelouch V Brit]

Totally Agree.

[HighDefinition]

LBP will be the HIGHEST rated game when the REVIEWS are over. Yes, LBP will sell WAAAAYY more the MGS4 did and MGS4 is a MASTERPIECE.

LBP will do for gaming NOW, when Mario64 did then.

Watch.

[Lord Vader]

Uh, isn't viral marketing for LBP considered slightly "off-topic" on this thread ?

LOL...

On topic = WOW. Glad I've already played this kicka$$ game on 360. If you only have a PS3, I would highly encourage you to play the game anyway though, one of the best games this generation without a doubt, & the gameplay & story will still be there.

[Tarasque]

Seriously, You can't even put LBP in the same breath as Mario 64. I understand you are a sony @#$% in all but, people have to draw a line somewhere and this is it.

And too the article this is a very good comparison, i have bioshock on the 360 and checked out the demo on ps3. And the 360 is far superior than the ps3's. I mean really this doesn't surprise anyone does it.

[PirateThom]

But it shouldn't matter because of the gameplay, right XBox fans?

[HighDefinition]

Perfect timing. BRAVO!!!

[name]

10/10

[bouncybullet]

That comment could go both ways.

[PirateThom]

It could, but it was more directed at that article on graphics/gameplay rather than at anyone.

[Kuest]

Incidentally, that's why I purchased the 360 version of Bioshock... to be honest, I didn't really have a choice!

I will say, however, that if one were to consider the graphical superiorty of PS3's Oblivion compared to the 360 version, than this especial reversal in graphic quality should evoke at least some confusion. Perhaps PS3's visual capacity depends on the game engine being used?

Specifically, the UE3 engine- as I recall- has never performed particularly well on Sony's black behemoth, or at least when compared with indvidually crafted, developer-produced ingines like Insomiac's or Guerrila's. Therefore, I would argue that PS3 requires more developer innovation than the 360, which can/should be percieved as both a plus and minus.

In this particular case, it is in fact a minus.

[juuken]

You nailed them good Pirate Thom.
A bubble for you.

[Rageanitus]

I have the pc version and imo the gameplay sucks but the graphics are quite decent. Not my cup of tea I guess.

[Kuest]

/

[jay3]

lolwut?

I don't read all these comments, but from what I did read nobody said the game is bad on PS3 because it doesn't look as good (going by comments on that one, I can't really tell the difference).

And there's being praises handed out because one guy supposedly "nailed" a couple of Xbox 360 fanboys?

Lame.

[cherrypie]

Interesting idea.

The reality is that the Xbox 360 has the best gameplay and graphics on BioShock.

So, what's your point about the Xbox 360? You dont make any sense.

[Oner]

Awesome. Pirate ~ Hits nail on head. Either way if the comparison ends up being true and not the PC version compared to the PS3 then I hope people do cancel their orders. This will show 2K (and others) that people will not stand for poor ports at the expense of (more like profit off of) it's customers.

[No Way]

You're right. Game play is why we play games, is it not?

[b00mFargl3]

i love my 360 and i play it most of all, but those screens i dont know if i can believe if they are legit or not.

[GametimeUK]

ps3 version cant look THAT bad can it?
either way when IGN said GTA4 looked better on PS3 the 360 guys boasted about extra content... So I guess they must be pissed off that Bioshock has extra content... Unless they are Hypocrits

[pumpkinpunker]

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

there is also a long thread on neogaf detailing the problems of the port.

I knew something bad would happen when 2K washed their hands of the port and handed it over to another lesser known developer midway through the process. It was like they gave up.

[GametimeUK]

I played it a year ago so it doesnt affect me... I love this game

[Kuest]

/

DAMN!!!!!!

My bubbles go to waste like sour cream.

[solidt12]

I played the demo and I didn't see anything in it looking that bad.

[b00mFargl3]

ign boasted on both systems. giving both pros and cons. even devs stated there were only slight differences in the two. leave the bias crap at home.

[xaphanze]

How come IGN said it looks the same but with better water textures? I don't know about these screenshots coming from a forum...but thats just me.

[HighDefinition]

Who cares?

If the PS3 can DO Killzone2......I don`t really have to explain any further.

[b00mFargl3]

I still dont understand why people praise the ps3 title killzone 2. its been in development for what 4 to 5 years and on the other side xbox has gotten 2 gears games. I dont have the patience for that. I love both consoles but seriously dev time should be an issue.

[Silogon]

What a cop out answere, high Def...

"Who cares if..."

Well, people who were hoping for a good port of Bio shock for starters. People who bought a ps3 for moe practical use and were told they'd get the game.

What's wrong with you, you're smarter than that.

I have a 1080P Bravia Tv. 47 inches, it's an amazing set up, I hate to brag... I do, but it's going to prove a point. I played this demo on thursday and couldn't believe how junk it was. The textures on the plane when you're in the water are something you'd see in Syphon filter for the ps1. This isn't a lie. The lighting as you are transending down into Rapture is a joke. the textures are junk and frame rate is a choppy mess.

Maybe this is a demo and the final game will look better. That is possible, but why would you toss this one out if you knew the game was going to get this much of a beating?

All I can say. this is a shoddy attempt on the Ps3. Area 51's port looks better and it too used the UT3 engine.

[HighDefinition]

@b00mFargl3

"I still dont understand why people praise the ps3 title killzone 2"

Watch a MP video then.

@siligon

"Well, people who were hoping for a good port of Bio shock for starters. People who bought a ps3 for moe practical use and were told they'd get the game."

Well you do have a good port of Bioshock. Ue3 and PS3 don`t work well together, this isn`t a secret.

[DevilVergilX]

Killzone2 was announced 2005 so its only been 3 year in development. xbox360 was release a year earlier then the ps3, so Gears had about 2years of development and EPIC had no trouble working on the 360 because of similar it is to the PC. Also gears2 isn't a big leap from gears.

[Aclay]

@ b00mFargl3

The reason why Killzone 2 keeps getting brought up is because if the PS3 is capable of the type of graphics that are in Killzone 2, it is EASILY capable of the graphics in Bioshock on the 360. If you want to hear a game other than Killzone 2, how about Heavy Rain.

Also, Killzone 2 is getting brought up because it's a FPS just like Bioshock, so it would only make sense that it would be compared to another FPS game like Bioshock.

[Kuest]

Without a doubt, the response in this thread is quite predictable. Those formerly prasing bioshock now denounce it as "meaningless" or vaporware.

What's more, others hide under petty defense mechanism like "gameplay over graphics", which ironcially they use in order to construe irony...

In my opinion, the evidence is clear and straightforward. The 360 installment of Bioshock is, in fact, superior in quality. However, this does not disolve PS3's 1st party exclusives, like LBP or Resistance 2, but it does put Sony's gaming corporation in an awkard position.

To explain, if SOny continually has to finacne its success, it will never be able to achieve a sufficient profit a la Microsoft's gaming division.

Indeed, if one were to consider the original Xbox, he/she might recall how the majority of third party developers at the time dedicated central focus to the PS2. In other words, Sony could simply let others furnish its gaming services, compared to Microsoft, who almost embarassingly had to rely on 1st part exclusives in order to get a leg up.

Is this not unlike Sony's current predicament? Clearly, they need a better strategy towards cultivating third party support, as well as quality. Again, their first party support is admirable, but that weapon is a double edged sword.

[JokesOnYou]

talking logic and making a whole lot of sense....stop it, I say! This is n4g, where the truth is overlooked and the BS meter is always full. Hell alot of the members who take the time to comment on the news post only read the headlines before quickly giving us their full "insight" on the latest news posted.(A trend I've noticed for quite some time now) Well back on topic, I have to say that it makes you wonder about the ps3 when a great game like Bioshock turns out subpar a year later on the ps3, I mean how much time, money, and experience do you really need to make a game to push the ps3 vs 360?

JOY

Edit: vvvvvv Kuest

"Don't get me wrong, I like a healthy dose of choas and bufoonery myself, but... just every once in a while, I would like to see some quality posts."

I've always wondered if a place like that actually exists...or is it just the stuff of myths and legends, a fantasy land only thought to exist in the deep underground bowels of the internet. Ahh well at least for now, just for a brief moment again, I can believe its possible that one day I shall find such a place.

Please do enJOY your stay here at n4g.

[Kuest]

However, your advice is well taken. Wouldn't it be something, though, if users posting in threads could actually "think" for a change; actually cosnider both the pros and cons of a particular situation?

Don't get me wrong, I like a healthy dose of choas and bufoonery myself, but... just every once in a while, I would like to see some quality posts. Thankfully, you're not a complete stranger yourself.

Bubbles for the laugh, and cheerful insight. You, and others like you, posting with the wit you do, gives me nothing, but

JOY

[Lord Vader]

Bubbles+ Kuest.

You made some extremely good points... lol, especially for a N4G thread...

MOST IMPRESSIVE.

[Kuest]

You'll find that I'm full of suprises.

bubbles for you too...

[Jake the Muss]

Kuest, I see from your post history that you are one of few on N4G capable of a mature debate, so I welcome such a reply.

Your analysis of Sony's current situation and strategy has raised some interesting points. Hence, there are several points I would like to highlight.

In general, should a business (Sony) encounter a hinderance in achieving it's economic goal (to provide value to shareholders), there are 3 main forms of recommendation in change to strategy:
-Status Quo (no change necessary)
-Expansion (everyone's favorite, grow market share etc.)
-Consolidation (focus on core competencies etc.)

Bringing this to your critique concerning Sony, allow me to elaborate. Yes, I agree they appear to be between a rock and a hard place. But this situation to me is far more complex. We as individuals are making assumptions of a complex level of strategy from a 3rd party perspective using little internal information from Sony themselves. I have studied, especially in Japanese companies, that the strategy and direction in multi-national companies is often extraordinarily difficult for those to understand when they are not directly involved in the organisation.

From what I can tell, Sony have made clear their long term "vision", as repeatedly stated from their "10 year lifecycle" plan. I personally believe this is their attempt to convey a snapshot of their strategy in an easy to understand one-liner to outsiders (aka fanboys). Their goal is not to follow Microsoft, that is clear as daylight. Neither is it short term. They publicly stated that they are shifting reliance to their 1st and 2nd party support and that 3rd parties was becoming less of importance. Thus, I feel, they knew this was coming, and smart businesses prepare and anticipate for future.

Futhermore, since many like to claim Sony was/is in "trouble", Sony do not particulary fit into the 3 models of recommendation - they have a mix of expansion and consolidation in different areas. While you are correct they are not currently making a profit, this is very short term outlook for an entrenched brand. When an automotive maker develops a new, expensive engine, it is rare that it is solely for one car, but spread across several models over a sustained period of time in order to achieve profit.

Sony, with Blu-ray and the Cell, is no different - this was my feeling long before the rumors of a Wii-sized PS4 (with the upgraded Cell ship) being developed came out. Hence, the PS3 to being used to grow and solidify Sony's brand and subsequent IPs (ie. Blu-ray), while the PS4 will be used to return the balances to black; their strategy dictates that they can take the hits for the time being.

My point is, I would argue that their current strategy of achieving long term profit through short term losses (ie. 3rd party support, that they knew was coming and therefore prepared for) is sufficient enough to be successful, and therefore does not require change... but only time can tell on that one.

[Kuest]

As such, may I call you, Jack the Muse? For you surely got mind working harder than I'd thought possible twenty minutes earlier.

The premises you outlined earlier are quite excellent, and therefore I will not waste my efforts fleshing them out again. Instead, I will focus primarily on the final recomendation you prescribed at the end of your fairly long post. Also, for the convience of other readers, i will not devle too deeply in business strategy, with respects to long term/ short term.

Now, the issue at hand! Who, between Microsoft and Sony, boasts the foremost long term strategy, whith respects to consumer satisfaction and expected profit. Note, the frameowrk of either company's strategy can be divided by 1) cost distribution and 2) in-house development.

As such, I affirm- indeed, on the merit of your own post- that Sony's premiere strategy corresponds chiefly to the latter principle, or at least in comparison to last generation. Of course, the first strategy aspect (cost distribution) pertains to how well a company can outsorce its production. In doing this, a company could theoretically eliminate the bulk of its costs related to services (i.e. games, online network).

Allegdly, Sony percieves outsourcing, or third party development, as a dying breed in the sense of LOYALTY. This, in my view is an extrodinary lack of insight on Sony's part, as it opens the door for Microsoft to capitalize on Sony's indifference, and thereby DO exactly what Sony once deemed impossible. That is, Microsoft is slowly, but surely, increasing third party LOYALTY, which equates not neccesarily to exclusive per se, but DLC, enhanced graphics, etc.

Now, with respect to in-house development, the problem essentially boils down to cost versus the product's accesibility. Specifically, if all the games Sony produces are hardcore, than what prohibits Sony from being pigeonholed in that respective market? For as you stated earlier, Sony places considerable priority with 1st, or 2nd party exclusives. How, then, can Sony even contemplate mainstream appeal, if it does not put "potential" emphasis on the developers who are responsible for such titles.

Lately, we have witnessed the popularity of Sony's mainstream wildcard LBP, which will- in effect- conclude PS3's future; that is, if the aforementioned game installment can perform satisfactory (I daresay unprecedentely) with the mainstream market, that will in turn indicate if PS3's in-house development has what it takes to barge in the establsihed market share of EA, or Nintendo respectively. In other words, if LBP fails to attact a mainstream audience, than Sony's development will forever be trapped in a hardcore hell (a place where nerds compare pokemon cards, and dig their 2 inch nails deep inside their nostrils).

To summarize, what I'm merely proposing is that Sony, by withdrawing its stake in external development, thereby put the burden on itself to increase market share. I say this because Microsoft has, for all pratical purposes, grabed the reigns of that particular field. Indeed, MGS has performed admirably, but it pales in comparison to what 2k, Bethesda, Bioware, Epic, etc. has done for microsoft. By the way, how much did such titles cost Microsoft? Relatively little, from a development standpoint.

Consider Sony, on the other hand. Uncharted, Heveanly Sword, Resistance, KillZone 2. It doesn't take a genuis to realize Sony's hamburger meal comes from its own restaurant, which I believe hurts its ability to expand within a mainstream audience. WHY? Its busting its balls just try to appease you guys!

I have delivered quite a lenghty argument, which is not at all finished, or absolute. there is alot of additional points i would like to make, but feel... that no one would care to read them.

As such, I will wait for your next response, if you so dare, and then i will respond.

Again, Sony unwisely misjuged the extent that third party support would have on the market, while choosing instead to consolidate its resources. Now, all it can do is continue consildating with the hope that a gem pokes out. Microsoft, whose employee officials have snatched a disgraceful amount of third party support from Sony, can now sell off its costs- which it has been doing- while simultaneously increasing its profit. And, who is responsible for mainstream titles? Third party developers.

I think microsoft has the best strategy; although, to be fair, sony is considerably more gracious to the hardcore consumer. Microsoft, by choosing the wisest business module, has put undue burden on its public relations team with respect to hardcore consumers

[Jake the Muss]

Thank you for your insightful reply, Kuest. You again bring some good points to the table... Welcome to my track list. This reply is less of a critique, and more of some musing.

There are many aspects of your reply that I agree with, particularly the comment of "Sony unwisely misjudged the extent that third party support would have on the market...". This is quite true; I also agree with your notion that by doing such, this opened the door for Microsoft to capitalize on Sony's indifference.

As for the question of who has a better long term strategy? Although at the risk of appearing indecisive, I believe neither is better than one or the other, but in terms of risk, Microsoft's is clearly safer (and thus, arguably, somewhat "better").

Oddly enough, I feel both companies are in the midsts of consolidating; Microsoft with the closing of some of its own 1st party studios (Essemble); and Sony shifting importance to in-house development. Market-share wise, however, is a different kettle of fish - I disagree and think that Sony's brand (historically) has more accessibility to the casual market, of which Microsoft is only now attempting to attract (Lips, Avatars etc.) I feel this is a recent shift in strategy for Microsoft, who have previously dominated the "hardcore" market with franchises like Halo and Gears, while Sony's major franchises (among others) were GT and SingStar. I am unsure whether you alluded to this or not, but I will await your reply.

Sony is in a difficult position, no doubt about that. Their framework of reliance (which you pointed out) is clearly on in-house development - of which such "loyalty" is quite common for Japanese multi-nationals. Toyota and Honda, for instance, both own stakes in their suppliers so they have a vested interest and control in terms of quality. Hence, Toyota's quality control is heavily regulated right from supplier to consumer. Back to Sony, this would allow them to control the quality of titles, so to speak, and we have seen that from the likes of Heavy Rain and Killzone 2. In-housing has worked for other big Japanese companies, so Howard Stringer probably asked, why not for Sony?

This could pay bid dividends in the possibility that such titles become major hits and raise the Playstation profile - exclusively. The difficulty of that, which you wisely pointed out, is: 1. Cost, & 2. Product accessibility. Sony is placing importance on the hardcare gamer - great news for us, yes... But this has me mystified. I cannot fully understand their strategy, which I alluded to in my previous post. Thus I feel, again, that the short term losses they are making during this cycle of hardware has been factored into their strategy, and being used to raise their brand and subsequent IPs... of which will be made up in the next generation, unless someone can actually say with a straight face that there will be no Resistance X on PS4.

Again to the automotive industry, few know that Bugatti do not make any money via their supercar the Veyron- they sell it at a loss. Yet the company believes that the benefit gained outweighs the loss. As such, we, as outside observers, cannot comprehend the value if there is no money being made (in the short term).

It is ironic, however, that by focusing on quality, Sony neglected to enforce it for 3rd parties, and as such we are in this situation today. I think Sony *may* have predicted the likes of Square Enix and such going multi platform, simply because publishers have a responsibility to provide value to shareholders, not loyalty to Sony. Hence, the consolidation and investment in 1st party developers, to prepare for such a situation, as per their strategy of high quality, high profile 1st and 2nd party exclusive games.

What Sony did NOT anticipate, however, was Microsoft capitalising on Sony's consolidation, and here we are today. As we both know, flexibility is absolutely vital in the business world, and I feel Sony may be slow at changing - but they are, at their own pace. Microsoft, I would argue, as a more reactive strategy - adapting to current market trends, and capitalising on other's mistakes. Sony, I feel, is more proactive - forging their own way and anticipating changes. Hence, Microsoft is less risky, but Sony's strategy be successful, it will give them significant competitive advantage, particularity with the lock-in effect in exclusive 1st party games have (of which, 3rd party games are becoming less and less of).

I have not critiqued Microsoft's strategy, but will leave that to my next reply, should you take the time to return the favor, as I think most will have stopped reading by now...

[Kuest]

Excellent, excellent points... I now can comprehend just what you meant by Sony's "long term" development. Just for organizational purposes, let me clarify the distinction between Long term and short term, as it would better enable me to respond effectively to your above post.

By, short-term, we accredit the subseqent two years of this current generation. By, long term, we not only allude to the conclusion of this console generation (whenever that may be), but the transitional pahse into Next-Gen as well. Bearing that in mind, allow me to briefly calibrate my ealier assertions regarding in-house development, and outsourcing.

The philosophy behind the two, given the timeline outlined above, is fairly contiguous, if not cyclical in nature. That is, the internal buildup Sony is presently embarking on signifies less of a permanent direction, but more of a survival mechanism.

Again, Sony sincerely considered third party support to be mute, thereby painting themselves a picture of an island among other, similarly competing islands. As such, Sony's response was to survive this evolutionary phase of "next-gen" mentality by becoming part of it. Note, the reason Sony, an esteemed market leader, would take such a position of survival/consilidation is primarily because it was determined to RETAIN its market share via the PS3.

Perhaps now, people might realize the brilliance of Microsoft's early release date. In effect, it forced Sony into a defensive position, by which it primitvely would act in order to protect its status, rather than expand it. This was showcased through Sony's central appeal to the hardcore crowd, which it mildly thought was in danger of converting to microsoft's camp. Why? Because, Mircrosoft- in the previous generation- had been infamously catalogued the hardcore product, and therefore if Sony was to regain its base (from which it could expand later), the executives believed a consilidation strategy would have to be put into effect. Again, consilidating indicates measures taken by a world leader in order to SURVIVE, not expand.

Clearly, then, one must acknowledge that microsoft held the clear advatange during 2006, with regards to expansion. Unlike Sony, it constructed the task of difussing its somewhat intimadating reputation into a more user friendly, mainstream product. Therefore, Microsoft from the beggining held a position of enhancing product accesibility, and dividing costs among external support. To do this, however, would require sufficient resources toward 1) Live network and 2) initial MGS studio development.

With regards to MGS's initial upkeep, Microsoft employed their hardcore status to solidify their presence in the market, albeit with just a slightly more expanded user base than what it had acquired with the orginal Xbox. Consequently, it could appeal eraly on with ambitious third party developers, accepting huge risks at the expense of sufficient profit. This strategy paid off, in the short term, and Microsoft could gradually build its empire of third party support based on a business module similar to Xbox 1.

With early success, MS could effieciently revamp its Live network, implementing a phase in which they could manage, and thereby influence third party support by providing the neccesary infrastructure, and consumer base. Again, this was merely MS solidifying its base.

MS's true shift in business policy arose follwing Halo 3, in which its market status within the hardcore base was sealed, and third party developers would undoubtedly recognize this fact by perputually feeding the beast. Thus, the 360 obtained a foothold where it could appeal to the hardcore consumer without radically beefing up its internal development. Literally, developers around the world were begging to put their franchises on the Xbox console, which could almost gurantee some mild success. For that reason, MS could reasonably focus on true expansion, rather than come at it sideways through online serivces.

Sony, by contrast, continues to this day to consildate the hard core consumer, which MS has already suceeded in. Of course, this apparent weakness is, in some ways, a strength due to your enligntened notion of time. In particular, if Sony consildates effectively its first party support, even at the expense of mainstream appeal, it can set the pieces up later for complete domination with both hard core consumers and casual audiences.

To do this it would need third party support, which looks dubious presently. However, if Sony were to concentrate all its efforts on third party support, after having established its own base, than the effect could potentially be suffocating on MS- whose managers placed all their eggs in a public basket.

So, I agree with you, that in the VERY long term, Sony will once again restablish their foothold on the market. However, this will almost certainly come after they finish consolidating their first party support, which could take the greater remainder of this generation. Ultimately, though, Sony will boast a more solid foundation than Microsoft's sole depednece on external support, which is short term.

What belies my entire argument, as you have probably noticed, is the unprecedented success of Nintendo, whose success I cannot rationalize nor predict. Thus, I would argue all the principles I listed above are mute because i cannot account for the biggest threat facing either MS or Sony. But, it was nice thinking about it.

[Jake the Muss]

I see you are unfortunately down to your last bubble Kuest, so I will (try) to stick to topic. It has been a rare pleasure to have such a discussion on N4G. For the younger readers, this can be seen as a (very) quick lesson on international strategy.

I agree wholeheartedly with your notion that Sony has been forced into a defensive position - the very corner that they did not want to play in. Yes, Microsoft has pulled a brilliant strategy of (some would argue) rushing the 360 to market to gain a foothold before the other major player - of which forced Sony to rush their own product to market before being locked out. I will not diverge into RROD and Blu-ray conspiracies, but will say that by pricing the PS3 at such a high mark, Sony effectively locked out the casual market they built up from the previous generation... and the 360 already had a lock on the hardcore market. In essence, Sony shot themselves in one foot while Microsoft shot off the other.

Once forced into such a defensive position, henceforth the 'survival mechanism' you mentioned. Sony had to rapidly react to changing environments when they had previously had a trend-setting mentality. However, a successful business does NOT change their strategy during the launch of a new product, so they stuck to their overall direction... I agree, I don't think Sony, an esteemed market leader, pictured themselves in such a dire position, but they knew the cost of developing the Cell and Blu-ray, and this would have had to have been factored into overall lifecycle estimate... any temporary loss would be outweighed by the long term benefits continuing into the "next" generation, so the product (PS3) got the go-ahead from HQ.

Interesting enough, Howard Stinger let slip some months ago that it was unlikely the PS3 would make any money back in its lifetime... further reinforcing my belief of a 'generational cycle' strategy.

In-housing does not happen overnight... such a direction takes a lot of resources to undertake. It is an investment build up over a decade... and Sony did not know the 360 would be launched a year early a decade ago. I sincerely believe that it has always been Sony's strategy to *gradually* shift reliance from 3rd party publishers (where only "loyalty" was keeping them exclusive) to in-sourced, quality controlled 1st and 2nd party exclusive titles, catering to a wide market. Look at their 1st party games; each has a market opposite: EyePet -> Killzone 2, Singstar -> Resistance 2, Motorstorm -> GT5, etc. Thus recently, Sony officially 'announced' such a strategy.

Yes, consolidation is usually undertaken to survive... but in many cases, focusing on core competences is the best way to:
1. Drive innovation
2. Differentiate yourself in a competitive market.
Funny enough, considering Sony often claim to be the most innovative of the 3 manufacturers, and innovation has driven the company in the past (Walkman, etc.)

Then there is Brand Dilution... which Sony, again, perhaps did not foresee. Whereas Sony planned for 1st party games to showcase the Playstation brand, and the PS3 would showcase the Sony brand, this is currently being undone by poor ports like Bioshock, however such a great game may be. Not everything can be planned for!

Microsoft I am not so sure on; I have not studied their strategy at significant level. However, in passive observation, I maintain they have a reactive, adaptable strategy, and seizing opportunities; reliant on external factors. My opinion is further reinforced by MS having fully integrated global operations (just look at Sony, divided up into separate regions). In order to be flexible, one must have a integrated system not requiring heavy coordination, and thus complexity, between regions (like Sony).

This follows a typical European 'Trans-national' strategy... whereas most Japanese companies follow a 'Global' strategy (Sony sits in the middle). Ultimately though, like you said, it is a short term outlook; reliance on 3rd parties, much like Sony did a decade ago. In comes the term "Console exclusive" and "DLC exclusive", terms I had never heard of before until this generation, tit-for-tat used (by both) to promote their respective 3rd party 'support'.

In addition, many analysts believe Microsoft have yet to break from the "hardcore" gaming market (but they are trying)... which Sony already has a food in the door, from last generation. MS don't quite have a cohesive, long term strategy - their strategy success relied on jumping to beat Sony to this generation, and while current support for the 360 is strong, their long term outlook is not clear with less high-profile exclusives... I hesitantly predict another jump to next generation, again simply by reacting to competition, and hope for good future 3rd party support. MS is the Hare, and Sony is the Turtle, plodding along.

Never mind the fact I strongly believe MS's main objective is to provide that value to shareholders, whereas Sony's is growing their brand strength (and with it, IP). 3rd party publishers, simple: sales.

In summary, Sony has stronger foundations (guaranteed 1st/2nd party exclusive support) and brand strength; while Microsoft currently has bigger market share and better 3rd party support. The difference is, which one will disappear at the conclusion of this generation?

Market share. And without it will go a lot of that 3rd party 'support'.

[No Way]

You make my brain hurt..

:D

[Kuest]

Sony is undoubtedly poised to amass a bombast of market share in the future if, of course, it can further its title development from first party exclusive to third party support; note this will not at all alleviate MS's increasingly strong grip on third party influence, but it will essentially eliminate the "perks" they've acquired.

Underneath this seemingly soild strategy, however, belies the unprecedented momentum of Nintendo, which may very well curtail Sony's reach to the mainstream market. However, like you implied earlier, this does not deviate from Sony's ability to erase MS's current lead. What's more, Sony may eventually be poised to acquire a greater pool of resources following its inception into Next Gen, where it can acquire both third and first party support. This strategy, though, must be buttressed by quick action, not a slow push for the future.

Microsoft's entire ability to attract hardcore third party developers has depended on its foundation of Live, and initial third party buy outs. To eloborate, through Live, MS acquired the neccesary framework by which it could INFLUENCE third party developers by furnishing them with a dedicated audience, and additional channels of revenue. In comparison, Sony's online service requires chiefly the dedication of individual developers, albeit without the same gurantee of Live success.

So, as it stands today, Microsoft is left not having to produce the majority of its blockbuster titles, which as you stated, can be percieved as a short term objective.

However, consider Rare and Microsoft's further intergration with Live, through netflix and wacky "supposedly" mainstream titles like the "jeapordy-style" game (I can't recall the actual name), as well as "Who's in the movies". These can be cosidered acts of consilidation, though in a different region of development.

In other words, MS has predicted that the majority of its appeal will not derive from standard, tangible items, but online services instead. Therefore, their capacity to interact with mainstream depends on Hardcore consumption that sparks casual curiosity. The big risk, of course, is that online entertainment can be relatievely intimidating to the casaul audience; for that reason, I argue MS's steps to enrich its online infrastructure is a long-term strategy that is predicated on gradual casual awareness.

Moving back to Sony, its emphasis on games development indicates- I believe- that said company is not yet CONSIDERING breaching the casual market; instead, Sony's strategy is most likely to intercept MS's foothold on the hardcore market, even before it manages to properly attract mainstream consumers. But, still, one must acknowledge who is chasing whom, and on what particular field. Notice, how Nintendo rudely bypassed the hardcore consumer, and thereby was able to avoid the neccesary expense of "consilidation". In my mind, NO ONE wants to do that, unless forced to survive.

Innovation, creativity, etc. all signifies "progressively reactionary" steps (if that makes sense) taken to capitalize on a changing market structure; That is, Sony predicted one way, and took the neccesary steps (progressive) to retain its position through internal means (reactionary). Microsoft predicted another way, and thus took the neccesary steps to eliminate its cost production, while furthering its online service.

Jack, your knowledge of international market strategy is superb; the discussion made regarding trans national strategy versus a global strategy was especially profound, and placed this whole debate on a larger scale. For what you touched on (perhaps unintentionally) corresponds to national productivity, as well as geo-politics with respect to mercantilism. That discussion, however, has room for a poitcal blog, not for a gaming blog such as this.

Bubbles, jack. I have tracked you as well, and i am anxious to hear your last response. If you so dare, my friend.

[Jake the Muss]

Thank you, but I feel you haven't conceded anything! As a MBus student that happened to specialise in International Strategic Management, your original post perked my interest considerably, and I jumped at the opportunity to share thoughts.

Yes, Nintendo... a very interesting case, and one I was hoping you wouldn't mention... Like many, I am mystified by their extraordinary success, and believe that they well may become a case I will be studying in the near future. Drawing back to my original framework for recommendations, I would clearly advise them: 'Status Quo'.

Although this may not be what many want to hear, even Sony have conceded 'defeat' to Nintendo - by claiming they are "not in competition" with each other. Personally, I see this as an admittance of concession; since even though many would (rightfully) argue that they target different markets; like you mentioned, Sony DOES aspire to reach the mainstream market. Toyota is still regarded as the No.1 car manufacturer in the world, even though they do not compete for the same market as Ferrari - Apples to Oranges, but at the end of the day, people who buy them are after fruit.

You had an interesting point about Microsoft's infrastructure in terms of Live... that I had not considered, if I am honest. Perhaps in hindsight, both Sony and MS are attempting to build their infrastructure foundations; abit via different perceptions of "infrastructure". Sony with their 1st/2nd party Devs, and MS with online service. As to which one will provider stronger foundations, is another debate for the future ;)

Yes, I agree, Sony's *short term* strategy is to halt Microsoft's grip on the hardcore market... but again, Sony have the framework and brand to (eventually) attract the casual market, whereas MS will have to rely on external factors such as 3rd party support to do it for them. Their in-house attempts (such as the recent Avatars), received questionable press coverage indicating many frown on MS's ability to succeed in this. Sony, on the other side, has had their opposite (hardcore-orientated) Home being developed for 4 years and counting now... again indicating a much longer (and arguably inflexible) vision and direction.

But as you pointed out, my opinion is perceived as a 2 horse race... which it isn't. Different strategies and short-term/long-term goals work for different companies... such is the nature of business. Each has their own targets, and are achieving them different ways at different paces - Microsoft's goal of revenue (being achieved), Sony's goal of growth in brand and IP (being achieved)... Nintendo's goal of both? (being achieved). This truly is a fascinating competitive market to learn from.

[Internet Trolling Ex]

Forum post?

[lawman1108]

You all make a big deal about the PS3 selling in some 3rd world Muslim S-hole because it is getting beat EVERYWHERE else but when a TRUE story about just how bad games are on this system you want it shut down. You PS3 babys need to grow up. Why don't you just buy each system? I have each and the sad thing is I have had over 100 360 games but the PS3 has only had 5 games that were worth my $$$$$ Truth hurts ladys

[hotshot127]

side with this article.

secondly, why are articles like this even posted. bioshock isn't the best looking game out right now....mgs4 is.

and what is mgs4...a ps3 EXCLUSIVE. so that automatically kills of any argument of the 360 being more powerful since thats all these comparisons ultimately come down too...

[Halochampian]

but I wasnt that impressed with the graphics. I loved the gameplay but I wasnt blown away by the graphics.

[Spydiggity]

your opinion doesn't settle arguments.

[BlackTar187]

LOL sounds pretty familar like calling the kettle black huh spy

[Spydiggity]

how did i know that you would track me just so you could follow me around and make a fool of yourself? good job man, i'm sure everyone will be impressed with your lack of intelligence, inability to construct a sentence or spell at all, and your absolutely pointless babble.

[BlackTar187]

It's great considering you pretty much just made the biggest hypocrite out of yourself in comparison to your other post. im sure people see who the whatever name calling you want to get into thing you called me. I just think its funny that you used your opinion as fact and got called on it and now your telling someone they cant do it. We have to clear that up its becoming a problem : )

LOL its so funny to me that you call others names when you obv. contradict yourself in less then 2 days.

LOL

[Raoh]

LMFAO

it's a forum post, that got quickly approved on NG4

tell you the truth, based on the pics.. if this was last year the pics prove that the 360 version looks like crap...

sorry..

i played the demo and the game last year on the 360... looked great

played the ps3 demo the other night.... looked great..

dont you love how 360 fans come out the woodwork to discredit the ps3.. LOL

[Tawnokoi]

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

It's real.

[Raoh]

yep forum post

[Ac3theone]

it seems pretty good 2 me

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

I played the demo.

First time I have ever played bioshock.

The game looks amazing!

The water looks great! The lighting is great! Everything is really good about this game.

360 owners, you guys were lucky to have it for so long :D

[bouncybullet]

They'll have to patch it or something.

[gano]

Exactly my point one y it's only a 30 dollar buy for me.

[CViper]

Anything that anyone is about to say in here:

Killzone2. </end>

If thats the ps3 version, thats terrible lol.. but all in all, doesn't change the gameplay because of the textures. But thats a terrible port, no denying that. IGN should be questioned if this is true and not a texture loading in or something. Will play the demo shortly to verify.

Edit:

Thats texture pop-in. Will get screens shortly,but yeah this is flamebait.

[TheExecutive]

OK- Those are f*cking rediculous screenshots. The ps3 version is obviously doctored using f*cking paint. Have any of the morons that are using this as proof ever used paint? Seriously, this shouldnt have been approved. It truly shows the idiocy of 95% of the people that use this site. I cant believe some idiots actually believe this crap.

[Delriach]

That pic is very weird. My game doesn't look like that O_o.

[solidt12]

Agreed that is a very bad picture. The game looks much better running on my PS3 and I played and beat the 360 version too so I know how the game looks.

[juuken]

There's not a damn thing wrong with the demo.

[Internet Trolling Ex]

Lets get bloodysinners privileges removed,submitting forum posts is against the rules isnt it

[etownone]

shut the hell up you fvcking crybaby

Just take it up the azz like every other sonyfan has been doing this gen

hahahahahahahahaha

[GameDev]

says the idiot that PM's people asking for their email so he can send them pics of him with "his girl".

TURD..lol

[etownone]

at gamedev

I see your still sweating my girl?

still think that isn't my girl? well i did offer to prove it to you, but i got no response form you.
I can only assume you'd rather see pics of balls and c0ck.
Have fun packin in the fudge!!

and keep sucking d1ck you moron

[GameDev]

it takes a moron to go around posting pics of "his girl" on message boards as his avatar. The fact that you think anyone really cares is what makes you a joke. as far as the gay comments if that were your girl she wouldn't be yours for long after she met me. Now fock off you little internet wannabe tough guy.

[Sergeant Osiris]

isn't this e-town that mexican kid that tries to act black??

LMAO

[Cajun Chicken]

Why can I see pure magnified pixels on the Big Daddy's helmet? jeez. That's unacceptable!
I mean, come on. Even Haze's textures looked better then that.
And this is why multiplatform is great for everyone and why ports are bad this generation.

This is looking very 'lazy', BUT I bear in mind that this has been in development a heck of a lot shorter than the original versions that were worked on by the real team. This may of had much more assistance, but had shorter time and not the original talent and the original talent is what made the original versions so great.

Patchable? Probably, textures look in the wrong mainly here.

EDIT: I'll have to get on to playing the demo another and judging myself time as I don't have my PS3 at this moment in time.
That Big Daddy texture looks incredibly 'mosaic filter'.

[TheExecutive]

Because it was obviously tampered with. For christ sakes.

[Cajun Chicken]

Those types of textures can't possibly exist in games nowadays, the last time I saw them was when I played the XBLA port of Duke 3D last night.

[Killjoy3000]

Doesn't it look like an image that was tampered with and perhaps pixelated to some extent? If not, it's ok anyways. I was planning on grabbing this after it "hits," the Greatest "Hits," line-up. (sorry for the bad pun)

[militant07]

anyways stupid boring game i wish i didnt buy it on 360 crap game.

can anybody tell me whats good in story ?? whats fun with ?
respectivly gameplay , hell boring

[lawman1108]

THAT statement just PROVES you a)do not have a 360 and B) if you DO have one you NEVER bought this game because it was GREAT.

See for yourself how BAD this game looks on the PS3

This is Rapture Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
X-Play Bioshock Preview: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
E3 HD Gameplay footage Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Sneak Peak Challange Room Vid: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'm starting to think this might actually be a PS3 owner posing as an Xbox 360 owner.

[I Make Stuff Up]

I'm not sure how many times this has to be repeated, but let's try again.

You do not judge a console by what it can NOT do, but by what it CAN do.
Trust me, give me a week and I can write such bad code that a Cray wouldn't be able to play my version of Pong. Does that mean the machine is incapable? No. But put it in the right hands and it does miracles.
Now, please don't get me wrong and think I'm placing this at the door of developers. No. I'm just stating that we need to look at what each console CAN do and judge it on that.

[DrzBigChris]

i played both ps3 and 360 bioshock and they both look great

[Honolulu]

That looks weird, especially since it's only one of the colour maps that lacks filtering or has some kind of shader error while the spec and normal seems to be at normal resolution rendered accurately.
Probably it's just a lowres dummy colormap that slipped through into the demo tbh.

[Solotov]

I suspect the smaller amount of memory and the little weaker GPU is the problem for the PS3 for Bioshock.

[TheExecutive]

Look at the picture. Seriously. I usually stay out of these threads but this one is particularly rediculous. These screens are obviously tampered with.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Let's save this debate until the full game releases...

Btw, I find it REALLY funny they didnt fix the widescreen crop issue.

[HairyBrownSack]

????? 360 version has the option to change the Field of View. don't know what you're talking about. unless u mean your broken ps3 PORT.

can't wait for GT's HD comparison :)

[Close_Second]

That is not a comparison of the PS3 version. I'm the first to admit I did not like the game but the PS3 image they have in the comparison has either been doctored or taken from the PC version running on a low-spec PC.

This type of posting is complete tripe and the person who posted it and those who approved should have such privileges revoked.

[lordgodalming]

The pixellation on the helmet would mean that 2K didn't even bother with bilinear filtering--which was a PS2 staple--on the port of a PS3 game. The Bioshock DEMO looked better than this on my SDTV. Sorry, folks. You'll excuse me if I don't buy the BS flamebait on some random guy's blog.

[LethalToxins]

It doesn't really matter to me. It's a game I'd only rent because of its quick time for completion. Photorealistic graphics wouldn't make this a must buy for me. It's a ten hour game and I refuse to pay that much for a game I'll finish that quickly.

[Lord Vader]

Too bad then... you'll miss one of the best games this generation.

How many Ps3 games are more than 10 hours other than Oblivion ???

Hmmmmmmm...

[LethalToxins]

How will I miss out on anything? I'll rent them and complete them. What am I really missing? Owning the disc? Ten hour games without online and little replay are a waste of a buy, sorry. Besides, I get unlimited rentals from Blockbuster anyway.

[MvmntInGrn]

my post from GiantBomb:

Way out of hand here like other forums.

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yoda-...
same textures + blur, the big daddy texture is an exception. They are looking into it.

ALSO!!! The Community Manager NEVER said anything negative other than this not their idea of quality either and so they are looking into it. Way too much negativity over a texture.

EDIT: Why disagree? Its not opinion.

[Rice]

In the demo there were a few texture and framerate problems but it was playable, and i stilled enjoyed it. I do not care what so ever if the developers did a crap job on porting a game, i bought rainbow six vegas, graw 2, and orange box and still had fun.

[HairyBrownSack]

LMFAO.

PS1 quality texture work right there on that big daddy helmet, LMFAO.

POOOOOOR DROIDS :(

edit: and before u stupid n00bs think the BS3rd-place blue hand glow is better, it's not. it changes in intensity. it's just in the dark phase on the 360 pic. LOLOL. and the 360 screen is actually a shot off a TV, it looks like, so the lighting exposure is a little messed-up on the whole screen, yet it STILL looks much better, LMFAO. POOOOOOOR DROIDS!!!!!!!!!! CANT CATCH A BREAK!!!! THE CELLL!!!!!!!

[zimbo007]

KZ2/HR and GOW3 makes anything on TRASH BOX look like a MEGA DRIVE /SNES game

Not to mention that KZ2 sports 20x the poly as each x360 game

POOOOOOOOOOR BOT

buuuu buuu Queers of war 1.1?

Bioshock is PORTED from x360 to PS3. It is PORTED plus it runs on UNREAL ENGINE 3 which has been made with PC architecture in mind

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Quick someone get Nasim/Zimbo/Shmee a kleenex to wipe his tears..

[marionz]

Im sorry but I own a 360 and bioshock, and I find it a bit hard to belive there would be that much dif between versions, those pixals are bad in the ps3 version must be fake there is noway a dev would alow there game to look that bad surely, these must be fake and fan bait.

[badkolo]

ouch!!!, if thats real then ouch, but for some reason as some have mentioned, even though someone from 2k said its true I think that photo was touched up to look like that, theres something odd about those textures, i cant just believethat the ps3 cant do tetures better which leads me to beleive that pic is fake.

but if its not, then a real ouch!!!! to the ps3.

[PimpHandStrong]

it would be nice if we could ignore contributors!

Bloodsinner should be ashamed of him/her self!

never even heard of that site and its perfect for N4G

ROCK ON

[Crazywhitie]

I'm pretty sure the controls will suck to... FPS are best on xbox 360 hands down........ but the graphics WOW I diddn't expect to see that much difference ... that horrible for PS3 Fans..

[Elven6]

Its probably just pop in on that one texture (one that someone promptly caught on a camera), I highly doubt 2K would let something that huge pass on the game.

(And I'm saying that being a non PS3 owner, not a fanboy)

[PirateThom]

You know, looking at that, it looks like the texture hasn't even loaded in the PS3 version. You know the way textures often "build", it's like a base layer... weird looking, I haven't seen pixels in a while!

[Down_With_Kotaku]

I have played the 360 version before, and with the way the engine pushed that system, there were many times where I saw very bad water effects, and in the garden level, some walls glitched and froze the game. I don't believe that 2K would go out of their way to put this game on a platform and intentionally make it look like that. It's a known problem with systems that work well with the U3 Engine, much less the ones that don't cooperate as well

[PimpHandStrong]

anyone that takes this to mean the game is the next HAZE please end your life

[Aclay]

I wasn't planning on buying Bioshock this Fall anyways, I was going to wait until early next year to get it, but if the PS3 version of Bioshock isn't a quality port, then I'm just not getting it, period.

Killzone 2 looks miles better than Bioshock, so why should a 360 port even mean anything? If the PS3 version of Bioshock doesn't look as good as the 360 version, point the fingers at the developers not the PS3's hardware.

[ASTAROTH]

Are your fanatism driving you blind?
I have the 360 version, in fact I love it. To me it is the best game available on the 360. A great showcase of the UE3 power. I decided to download the demo for the PS3. My first impression was: "WTF...this looks worse than the 360 version" I was so unimpresed that I needed to play my 360 version just to compare.

What I find? I find that the game is the same. The graphics are the same. What seemed to me as a bad port at first is now one of the best ports besides the obvious good ones. The graphics are identical and I compare both versions. I just dont like how the press manage their showing and their opinions to favor one console. The same was made with PURE and the game is IDENTICAL in both the 360 and PS3. So Bioshock is graphically the same and you just cant compare a demo with a full game. the demo has glithches and other things.

So Why I was soo unimpresed with the PS3 version of Bioshock? Because a year ago this game set the bar graphically. Now the bar had been broken and set to high new standards. This game looks amazing dont get me wrong but after playing the likes of COD4, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4, R&Clank...Bioshock is no more as impressive as a year ago.

PS3 fans: just ignore the 360 fanatics saying this game looks better on their console. Buy the game: it doesnt have a big improvement in graphics as Oblivion but it look at least identical to the 360 version. Im not lying but I know some 360 fans here are. In a positive note i felt great feeling unimpressive by this game because to me it is the best on 360 and this prove how much the PS3 exclusives are ahead of the 360 ones

[Firstkn1ghT]

I hope this doesn't stop the rabid sony fanboys from playing this gem. I seen ridiculous posts by sony fanboys boycotting multi platform games when the 360 version is better. So stupid and silly. The 360 will probably be better. Get over it and play this masterpiece!!!!!!

[dkgshiz]

Cant really say anything until the full games released. This demo is most likely and old alpha build of the game. Almost every demo is like that. Either way oh well. I cant wait for LBP. For any xbots that think the 360 has better grapihcs. I guess your just a lost cause. Look at uncharted or MGS4.

[360 man]

haha yh sure it is

[Xbox is the BEST]

you seen the new Tomb Raider gameplay trailer? Multiplat game that looks better that Uncharted.

[clevernickname]

I played the 360 and PS3 demos at the same time for curiosity's sake and other than the occasional frame dip in places and perhaps a few blurrier textures here and there on the PS3 version the demos look pretty much the same. I don't recall the Big Daddies looking pixelated at all.

[cheetorb]

so...this is relevant how? Oh, you have to be a fanboy, now I get it. Well you go girl.

[nieto2]

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...
why PS3 version looks worse than the x360 version? the answer is there ^

[PirateThom]

To be fair, reading through that, I got the impression the issue seems to be limited to the demo, not the review code that was sent out or the retail game.

I didn't read it all, but I got the feeling it could be the demo rather than the final version.

Wait and see, to be honest. I didn't really notice anything in the way of bad textures or slowdown when I was playing it, then again, I wasn't looking for them.

[360 man]

its wat haqppens wen ur working with crap inferior hardware

[dkgshiz]

Inferior hardware. So I guess you dont know anything about specs?

[SWANN]

He said the PS3 NOT THE x360 XBOT!

[beavis4play]

if that ps3 screen is from the finished game, then i agree the game has graphics issues. but as far as i know; nobody has seen the finished game.

[nieto2]

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...
why PS3 version looks worse than the x360 version? the answer is here ^

[xg-ei8ht]

What i find most strange about those other bioshock pics, is the total lack of af for the ps3 version. Considering it doe filtering better then the 360.

Weird.

But for a first go with the console, that isn't bad.

[Draperc]

Wow what the f*ck happened? That just looks terrible, there's no getting around it. =(

[juuken]

...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
This is desperation at it's finest.

[SonySoldierEternaL]

whoa, even I have to laugh at that

way to blow it 2K. truly seems like a half-a$$ed port

[thereapersson]

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

[PirateThom]

That blur is ridiculous.

Does Rapture have some gas leak now as well to contend with? Maybe that's the DLC.

Also, going back a page on the 2K Forums, the graphics and textures look a lot better, but there's yet more blurring.

[thereapersson]

I really don't understand the need for a blur filter if the textures are supposedly the same underneath.

[badkolo]

its not about if the 360 is better, its not about the bad devs.

what its about is how the ps3 has been getting shafted from day 1, other then oblivion, the ps3 is just getting trashed from left to right.

how many more years before the games look identical on both systems, why is there such a difference in ports and multiplat games.

[MvmntInGrn]

Hello alot of games look the same. Especially recent EA ones. We are talking about a texture. Go to

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yoda-...

and tell me they aren't the same + blur.

[karlostomy]

The ps3 blur makes it look worse, in addition to framerate issues etc.
This is the famous Vaseline effect that PS3 multiplats seem to be lumbered with time and time again.

Since day 1 this has been happening on the ps3.

Since day 1 the ps3 was 'supposed' to pwn everything.

Since day 1 we have been waiting ... and waiting.

Since day 1 the excuses have been piling up.

[PLASTICA-MAN]

To all people saying PS3 can't handle UE3 well: I saw people playing both versions of Mirror's Edge which is based on the UE3 and the lead platform is the PS3, and I can 120% confirm that the 360 version has frame rate drops, less lightning effects, full aliasing that COMPLETELY ruins the gaming experience and loading in the checkpoints, comapring to the PS3 version which has none of them! It was not only me who remarked that but even the testers who played both versions confirmed it! (to be more precise: I watched it on my HD TV on GIGA TV which is a german gaming tv,so this is not some sh1tty low res blacked net videos)! So when the game is built up on the PS3 first we have these results,otherwise...
For the people who believed those pictures in a FORUM: you can't be so sure serios, aren't you? We are not in the doom 1 era to have such pixelazed images, even the PS1 didn't display such an amount of HUGE pixels! Like Close_Second said, it MUST "be taken from the PC version running on a low-spec PC" doctored by adding the "X" button! I don't see any other alternative, seeing all the good news coming these days, Anti-ps3 fanboys should be working hard to compensate their delay!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

bioshock was developed with the 360's architecture in mind.

i saw the images of both, i don't know if this was a fake or not.

i did read this post, and it says something that caught my eyes.

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

i read it and i thought, it could just be a problem in the demo, so id wait and see once the final version is out.

[Jecht]

Who cares? No really, who the hell cares?

First of all, has anyone EVER heard of giantbomb before? Their comparison is likely synonymous with their domain name.

Second, why does it matter? Everyone and their grandmother knows that A)The game is OLD (by now). B)If made on the PS3 first, the opposite of what this "article" says would be true.

So, it's all moot and completely irrelevant.

Once again, "professional" bloggers get to continue posting garbage because sites like N4G get them hits when people who don't know real news if it bit them in the a$$ post links to these lame articles all over the place.

I officially change the name of this site to Opinions 4 Gamers. Or, if you don't like that, Worthless trash articles written by handicapped monkeys high on glue....4 gamers.

[jack who]

but the cell

[Draperc]

It seems the cell has a problem with ports. =(

[xhi4]

the game is a port from PC UE3 code, what the hell did you think it would be?

Seriously.........it fricken came OUT on the PS3! IT CAME OUT ON THE PS3!! A few months ago that was IMPOSSIBLE! geez stop crying, its a great game, if your such a graphics whore get MGS4, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 1 and 2, Crysis, Uncharted or even Heavenly Sword.

Lol who cares, seriously?

[PS360OWNER]

that must be the nintendo64 image because the bioshock demo i'm playing on my 1991 BC SDTV looks nothing like that

[juuken]

Oh dear God, 360 fanboys are so bloody desperate right now.

I find it laughable that you take a game like Bioshock and compare it on the PS3 and the 360 when it's been known that the Unreal Engine is 1. Slowly becoming outdated, and 2. Doesn't work well on the PS3. Either way, it was said that BOTH VERSIONS ARE THE SAME.

Freakin' morons.

[Draperc]

So, you're saying smooth textures and blocky ps1 like textures are the same thing? Come on, stop trying to spin it, the ps3 version looks worse than the 360 version. I understand that you want to prove the 360 fans wrong, but sometimes ya just can't, now let's just accept it and move on. ='(

[juuken]

I'm downloading it now.
I will see it for myself.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I found your youtube page juuken

[juuken]

Go on and smack the disagree buttons assholes.
I played the demo and there's not a damn thing wrong with the game. Unless you were using the bloody magnifying glass to view every single spec...then you are full of sh*t.

Comparing a freakin' DEMO to a full game.

Desperation!

[juuken]

Oh, and Jason.
Get a life.

If that's the best you can do.

[pumpkinpunker]

whatever, juuken. keep deluding yourself. they must hand out crack rocks with each PS3 because the Sony Defense Force is high as a kite.

Even 2K admitted they screwed up in an offical forum. maybe they'll try to patch it but I doubt you can put a patch on the weak PS3 GPU that can't handle textures and maxes out just trying to anti-alias. however, have fun in your dream world. Look at it this way: 2K doesn't want to break all your little hearts and they want to sell games. so go buy the crappy version of Bioshock and keep flaming away on N4G.

Stay strong Sony Defense Force! HOOOOOOOOO!

[Gaystation 3]

I've never heard so many PS3 fans BAAAAAWWWWWWW at the same time!

[Stickguy259]

You know full well that if a game were released on the PS3, and then ported to the Xbox 360, and had inferior graphics, even if it was just in a demo, you would be all over that comment section throwing around disagrees and trying to pass off the PS3 as Jesus.

You're a Sony troll, and a hypocritical one at that. You're not gods gift to comment sections spreading the word of PS3. You're just annoying, and stubborn. 9 out of 10 of your posts are trolling, and quite frankly, it's getting old. Either live with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your opinions, or find a new hobby and debate something that actually matters.

As a side note, I do think the games should be compared once the full game releases and not full game against demo, unless of course you can get two pictures from the two demos.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

It's ok to be a fanboy, (I am) but the 360 is my front page and I never go out unless it says 360 or PC. I don't go to the PS3 side and I don't need to. All the flambait articles make thier way to the 360 side anyway, so I never realy need to leave this section. If you want to call me a 360 troll while in the 360 section, thats fine, but you juuken spend most of your time in the 360 section and your a droid.

[Stickguy259]

I still don't really like fanboyism, but I really don't like fanboys that go out looking for a fight. juuken trolls about in the Xbox 360 articles that have nothing to do with the PS3, and then gets upset when there's a fanboy for the 360 in a PS3/ Xbox 360 article.

juuken's comments can be very headache inducing.

[TheMART]

@ Jason, that was Juuken as a kid. THis is Juuken now

(remember, her uncle will give her a Wii and Wiifit, but no warranty on it because it has a maximum kg's)

[nonAsianDroid]

well atleast she is starting to exercise a little.

[juuken]

Here comes the trollllllllllllllls!

Lmfao, you guys crack me up. You love these comparison videos, don't you? That's the ONLY thing you can use against the PS3 because you're a couple of freakin' losers. I don't really care for Bioshock-I just played the demo to see what the fuss was about. The game looks fine to me. The 360/PC version, of course would look better because err...IT CAME OUT FIRST!

It's been known that the piece of poo known as Unreal Engine doesn't work well with the PS3 all the time.

And then you're comparing a demo to a full game.

Bravo 360 fanbrats.

Microsoft has *clearly* won the console war.

And I don't really care how much you make fun of my weight. You don't know what I look like outside of the internet so it's pathetic you know.

FIGHT ON MICROSHAFT DEFENSE FORCE!

[nonAsianDroid]

a demo is a demo off the full game lol noob

[Stickguy259]

Some rather immature posts, but nothing can be done about it, people will be jerks to jerks, nothing more can be said.

But, wouldn't the fact that the game came out a year earlier on the Xbox 360 be a good reason for the graphics to be, I don't know, better on the PS3? I seem to remember many Sony Defense Force goons talking about Oblivions improved graphics on the PS3, and then the Xbots defended it with the rather sane argument of "PS3's version came out a year later"

If the graphics had ended up better on the PS3, then there would be no need for debate, it would make sense. But as it stands, the circumstances are flipped, and the lack of presentable graphics is a problem. Not with the PS3 mind you, but with the developers not being given enough time to make it work right. Right now, the Xbox supporters have a right to point out that the graphics are inferior, because the are. It's very clear, and anyone who says otherwise is lying flat out.

Like I said, you're quite the hypocrite, but I suppose that you can't turn upon your own nature. You're arguments consist mainly of the word "Xbots" and sarcastic remarks that in no way represent your side with any finesse. You would be doing Sony a favor if you just stopped posting, because I'm sure that after reading your posts on here, nobody would want to buy a PS3 for fear of running into you online.

Like I said earlier though, the graphics shouldn't deter any would be buyers. Bioshock is an excellent game that any PS3 owner should definitely play.

[dkgshiz]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS... It looks pretty much the same.

[GeneralOfDeath]

aha once again demo to full release version and also why do i feel photoshop>sharpen tool on that ?

[KiddyBrownTurd]

cuz 360 is just THAT damn good.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOOK!!! a video of one of the droids now...

[silverchode]

?

[SonySoldierEternaL]

you fail jason

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Looks more like the PS3 has failed... again...:)

[Mr BlueScreen]

Why are you trolls on a PS3 article?
Let me start with this:

This is by no means Sonys or Sony's System, Playstation 3, fault. The bad textures, and I will say that the textures do SUCK, is the devs fault. NOT SONY. Just because 2K devs where to lazy to rebuild the game doesn't mean that the game is Sonys responsibility. You trolls are sounding more and more desperate every day an Anti- Ps3 article is posted.

And as far as Etownone goes, He should get a life. I wonder what your "girl" would say about you giving other guys pics of her. A matter of fact you should be BANNED from this site you sick lunatic. This is a gaming site not a "Brag about your fake girl" site.

Logic for the win!

[LONEWOLF231]

There is word that the screenshots although real the so called 360 picture is not running on the 360 but on the PC.

ON the 2K forums some guy posted PC/360 Bioshock comparison pics and you will see that the 360 version is in fact not all that better than the PS3 version!

360 top pic/Pc bottom pic

http://img367.imageshack.us...

The PC pic looks awfully similar to the one posted in the PS3/360 comparison.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

http://www.n4g.com/ViewImag...
http://www.n4g.com/ViewImag...

http://yoda.dip.jp/Game/Bio...
http://yoda.dip.jp/Game/Bio...

different people same results.

(btw i didn't click disagree)

[silverchode]

according to catastrophe forum posts are ok.
"the R&G clearly state the forum posts with screenshots are acceptable on N4G"

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Stop crying, your tears are flooding the net.

[silverchode]

why would i cry about a game ive already played? what happened to your too human avatar?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You mean UT3? Althought... I do think Too Human is highly underrated much like FEAR, but that was a UT3 avatar.

[Bren86]

360 version does look better, I noticed it instantly when I started the ps3 demo

[Eddie20101]

I thought the the PS3 version didn't look as good as the Xbox 360 version when I played it the first time. I played the Xbox 360 version again and realized it didn't look as good as I rememdered it to be. The PS3 version is better in some ways and the Xbox 360 is better in some ways, so its basically a wash with both being equal in the end.

You do have to realize that you are palying a demo of the PS3 version and it may not be a complete representation of the retail game. So it could possibly be much better than the Xbox 360 version of the game. All the videos that major game sites are showing seem to look better than the demo and all the previews are saying the PS3 version looks better and plays equally as well as the Xbox 360 version and it does have extra content that the 360 version does not have.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

As expected

[Fanboy Slaughter]

Of course, coming from you, Jason, it really doesn't mean much, considering you're a self-admitted fanboy.

The only thing I don't understand is why these companies feel it's necessary that the PS3 gets their year-old hand-me-downs. We didn't want Vampire Rain, and I know a lot of people loved Bioshock, but I for one could give a sh!t less.

Unfortunately for us who want nothing more than the absolute obliteration of fanboys, conflict = money. Conflict is caused by sh!t like this, thus garnering publicity, ergo...more sales.

N4G has become riddled with fanboys on all 3 fronts, and I for one may be taking my leave of comments for a while....the environment is getting a little below my standards. Have fun with your c0ck-waving.

EDIT: Wow, 181 ignores? That's more than PoG....damn, dude, you've been busy.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Thats true, but I'm on the winning side so I get to brag.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

The winning side?

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess. From my experience, bragging is a futile attempt at making up for something, like being a fanboy, or being a general emabarrassment to humanity....they're really just one in the same.

[yojoe26]

What the crap am I gonna do!? If I go up to a dead big daddy and stare at his face from four inches away I can seem some jaggies!! The game is totally ruined now! Unplayable! /end sarcasm. give me a break graphic geeks. it looks great on both consoles.

[MAGNUM-RAM]

raise the brightness & darken the other version.
but you can't take away the enhancements I found on the bioshock demo.
Yes even on the demo I found enhancements.

1.) fire now burns objects such as sinks & doors. They now char
to look like ash.
2.) more character detail in enemies. If you look at the plasmid scene
when you take your first plasmid & fall over the balcony. A guy with a tie
robs you of atom. Look at the tie on the xbox360 version. It looks like
it was drawn on his shirt with crayons. Now look at the ps3 demo. Its tie looks
separate from his shirt.
3.) brighter lighting!!! There's light where there wasn't before.
4.) loading screens are interactive. You can now slide pics & messages while waiting.
5.) is it just me or is the opening fire even more furious looking then before?

Go ahead. Make your own comparisons because bioshock is a
dark game & colors & brightness settings make huge differences.
don't take my word for it. Use your own eyeballs.
Thanks. Bye.

[Sanhlami]

wth. Although you probably won't notice it that much in the game, it does slightly take away from the immersion, if the graphics aren't at its best. Bioshock is still going to be good on the PS3 anyhow.

[avacadosnorkel]

but I played Bioshock on 360 when it came out and I was in awe. Since then I've played most of the games that have been released on both systems. So far this generation I have to say Metal Gear Solid 4 is leaps and bounds above everything else out, but also after playing this demo for Bioshock on the PS3...I don't know, maybe it's me, because it's the same game and plays basically identical, but it's just not fun anymore.

Been there done that.

[FantasyStar]

Even though the forum post, WAS from a forum post; I just downloaded the PS3 demo of Bioshock and was playing it through. While I won't comment on the aliasing differences or lighting difference, the one thing that struck out was Big Daddy. That picture is no lie. The Big Daddy is really THAT pixelated.

I thought it was strange at first, but realized that in order to photoshop that, it would take a bit of work to extract the letterings, but right in front of me, those disgusting blocky texture that encompasses the Big Daddy is all true.

If you have a capable PC or a 360, just get that version instead if looks are your thing.

[TwissT]

It's true the textures are like that in the PS3 demo. But it doesn't matter for me, I'm still getting this game on launch.

Edit: I have been playing the sh!t out of the PS3 demo and I have still haven't yet to see these framerate problem people are complaining about.

[avacadosnorkel]

wait the extra 2 weeks and go for Resistance 2 - the FPS of the year.

[NewSchoolGamer]

Isn't it obvious? *Looks at devs and crappy UE3*

PS3 games can "look" better, but it depends on the devs

Uncharted
Killzone 2
MGS4
Motorstorm 2

All but one come from 1st party devs that put hard work into the games and therefore they
look better than most if not all xbox360 exclusives

Bioshock
Hal-Life 2
Etc.

all come from devs that are lazy or had problems with their engine and PS3.

[avacadosnorkel]

It's my fault.

I smoked all the weed and drank all the beer and I still like the way the PS3 displays its graphics better so f**k it.

That sh1t is so smooth.

[mpmaley]

So I ctrl+f to go through and look for the word demo, got a few "loving the demo comments" and after 5 or so I gave up.

Why did I not see "it's a demo, therefore possibly an early build?"

[Xbox is the BEST]

year later what happened? Tired of hearing it's a port bullsh1t. PS#3 is inferior. Don't even reply with Uncharted/MGS4. Have anyone seen the Tomb Raider Underworld gameplay trailer? Looks better that Uncharted and it's a multiplat game. OOOh No!!!!!

[REDZEV]

Nice!!!

[SonySoldierEternaL]

^

oh geez

it's a bot orgy

[Makidian]

The only reason Tomb Raider looks and will play as good as it does is because of the impact of Uncharted. Naughty Dog with that genre, what Tomb Raider should have been doing years ago and made it better. So yeah it is going to look better because its a newer game you retard. Uncharted 2 will blow Tomb Raider out of the water(again) and then retire Lara Croft to having Nathan Drakes babies.

[Xbox is the BEST]

is that Droids said that the 3fixme can't will never push Uncharted graphics saying it's maxed out don't know anything.

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

that picture is actually taking the mick out of the 360. LMAO!!

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

and how in the world dose Tomb Raider UW, look better then Uncharted, in Uncharted the character models actually have detail on them, they're not painted on, and the water actually has depth and looks and moves and feels real, unlike the super reflective foil type water used in TR:UW that has no depth, and at least Drake doesn't move like a super human, unlike in TR:UW, Lara moves incredibly fast and they've use SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much motion blur...WHATS WITH THAT!!, and the jungle scenes don't even give you the sense that your actually in a jungle, in Uncharted thers so much detail, color and textures in the environment, thers so many trees and thousands of palm tree leafs and plants scattered all over the place, and light actually touches and reflects of everything, and i've seen TR:UW gameplay, it was dark as hell!, the 360 cant do what Uncharted achieved cus it dont have a CELL,

http://creativeobserver.com...

http://playthree.co.uk/wp-c...

http://news.filefront.com/w...

^^^this link shows the originale pre render of uncharted^^^

http://sarcasticgamer.com/w...

^^^ this one shows proof that its better then its pre render and better then TR:UW, it shows the power of the PS3

[etownone]

How sweet... yet ANOTHER game superior on the 360

And this is a year old port!!!

So now the highest rated multi-plat games this gen are always superior on the 360. GTA4, HL2, and now Bioshock.

Keep crying all you sony b1tches!!!!!!!

hahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha

[kimi_maro30]

sorry etownone but the pictures are fake bcuz you cant kill a big daddy in the demo only the guys in necktie ,some nurses ,a lady with a magnum and the flying robot

[kimi_maro30]

i found a corpse of a big daddy and its pixelated so the picture is real

[MAGNUM-RAM]

yes. Anything to breathe a little life into thier depressing gamer lives.
Desperate. You make IGN laugh.

Jason360 is leading the charge? What a dumb bot.
Check this guys comment history guys. He admitted "my console is in the repair shop".
bitter? He has officially been anal raped & went back for more.
this closet homo used to talk about how much he loved cross game chatting with boys
younger than him.

Jason360 plays UNO circle jerk party. While playing he gets a invite to chat with halolover12.
halolover12: hey jason360, whatcha doing?
jason360: thinking about you. Whatcha up to?
halolover12: my cack is up for you.
jason360: I'm a send you a invite & kick out this other kid for you.
halolover12: wait till you see what I'm not wearing, baby.
jason360: I can't fking wait!
halolover12: WTF?!? Where are you jason360???

RROD !!!!
noooooooooooooooooooooolololo looo!!!!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

the 360 version hits 60 fps (with Vsync off), costs $39.99 ($29.99 in some stores) takes absolutely no time or space to install, and it looks sharp.

now, if you have a ps3 and only a ps3 just get it on ps3, if you have both and you want to save money get the 360 version. as for 360 gamers if you already got it then good if not.....GET IT!!!

[Fanboy Slaughter]

At least SOMEONE on here is NOT being a fanboy about this.

EDIT: Don't mind the disagrees, it's just the 360 fanboys dying a little inside at the thought of a "masterpiece" game being on a console they hate for some ignorant reason.

Little more than animals, they are.

EDIT Part 2: Keep those disagrees coming, fanboys. And keep crying that river while you're at it, I feel like a swim.

[avacadosnorkel]

You give Bioshock too much credit.

Since Bioshock came out I've played 3 or 4 games that have been better.

...and one of those games was on the PSN.

[REDZEV]

I dunno, what do you Droids prefer, Sloppy seconds or Leftovers??? Take your pick. Because this is what yor getting this month ;0~

[MAGNUM-RAM]

oh snap, I recognize that biotch from the strip club! She sucked me off for free in the private room. Oh snap, how you know her? She wanted me to bet her man but her face looks like a cross between my balls & my coackerspaniel.

She is really hard up for cash these days cause she told me her husband uses all her money on microsoftpoints & never gives her back her change.
What a fking loser right?

Anyways back on topic, bioshock ps3 is a good game. Sucks there's no online but the story is
interesting.

[dkgshiz]

I cant believe anyone even remembers tomb raider underworld. Yet another dumpster flop.

[Xbox is the BEST]

have you seen the game play trailer on Tomb Raider Underworld? It should be up on PSN check it out.

[Pseudo_Clash]

There will be plenty of games this fall to wipe the floor with this hand me down cheaply ported version of Bioshock. There's no reason to waste time comparing the xbox to ps3 version. I'll just be happy spending my time enjoying the ground breaking graphics and gameplay of Resistance 2, LBP, Wipeout.

So there's no need to get down. Just spend your money on worthy games due to come out.

[Phoenix17]

come on people its just a demo
it isn't the finished product & btw 2k even said there was at least minor enhancements **ENHANCEMENTS* to this version than the the other two ports
just wait until the game finally release until then don't be judging the demo for the full thing all right
disagree if u want im just saying the truth

[dktxx2]

Who cares. The difference is only notable when you have the two side to side, and who the hell plays their multi platform games on both console at the same time! If the difference between the two was actually noticeable to a normal sighted human being, then ya, maybe you could say that the ps3 version is inferior, but what people complain about is ridiculous. It's a good looking game anyhow. And anyway, I'm going to guess that these screenshots are from the demo, which kind of makes it an unfair competition. Jesus if people are gonna waste their time you'd think they'd do it right.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

According to most sources that have played the final build, it looks better on PS3.

Maybe the demo's an old build or something?

I don't know.

I'm still getting it though. I have the PC version and I'd love to play it again.

Don't give me that PS3 inferior crap either. FNR3 and Oblivion both look better on the PS3 and they are ports.

[comm13]

I wish we didn't have those comparisons, that way we could all enjoy games without this fanaticism.

I played the demo (somehow I didn't feel the need to stare at textures and compare them LOL), I loved it and I will get the game eventually.

[Fny]

then to approve bad FORUM post news like this.

[Rhezin]

uncharted must be a MEGA dumpster flop. And this article proves just how worng sony ps3 fans are, ALL THE TIME. So funny and yet sad for them. :( ok you can go cry now droids.

[harpua]

the desperation of the x-kiddies to validate their system has moved from comical to pathetic.

[Mr BlueScreen]

If there wasn't a rouge moderator on this site then most of the xbots would be VANISHED!

[Cure]

its soooooooooooo funny to see all the xbox fans coming out to put in their 2 cents.

FACT: ports have always been made for the PC, 360 and always were better..everyone knows this..THE FACT! that you are all jumping all over this just goes to show us that bashing the PS3 is pretty hard these days isnt it lol

first it was that oh PS3 has no games (yet 360 launched a year ahead and you had to wait 1 year for gears lol)

2nd it was the ports <which im sure you stated the samething you are saying now...since then ports have been equal or slightly better for the PS3> it isnt perfect but its getting there...

and then there was...hmmmm lets see oh ya - no in game music or trophies << getting abit sad when you have to bash a system for that...

and then there was nothing...until today...were once again you ppl bash a PS3 on the left overs of the 360 lol

just pretty sad for humanity just knowing that theres alot of hurting fanboys out there (PS3 side aswell < some of you guys need to relax lol)

i guess i could join a gears 2 thread and post side by side pictures of how its really gears 1.5 and the fact that they even use the same levels as part 1 did lol but maybe if i said that it mite scare away the trolls for good...oh SNAP!

[Eddie20101]

If only it would.

[juuken]

Yes, it's really sad.

Comparing a demo (yes a demo) to a full game. How about waiting until the PS3 version is released before making comparisons?

This is just ridiculous. :/

[importfighter]

This game is a PORT from 360 to PS3

dang dont make it a big deal its not an Exclusive

at the END of it ALL 360 Lost an Exclusive, to a more superior console with a game designed for the 360 ported to the PS3

[TheMART]

You mean like all the IPs the Playstation lost where the 360 version was equal in quality? BTW those were REAL exclusives, coming from the PS2. There ain't so much exclusives that were exclusive already on the XBOX 1 that came over to the Playstation, are there? Bioshock was meant to be a timed exclusive...

[gnothe1]

WHY does it really hurt you sony guys to know that ANOTHER PS3 game falls short of its xbox 360 counterpart!! last gen when the xbox was getting PS2 ports, you were able to see ADDED effects an graphical IMPROVEMENTS on the xbox versions of games, because why? the xbox had more power than the PS2, an there were no DELAYS with the releases. now we all know that developers start their games with the LOWEST common denominator(weakest system) then build from there. the PS3 was supposed to have so much power that developers could build games with the 360 as lead(supposed weaker system) an then tweak it up a little more with the supposedly more powerful PS3, but that didnt work to well so now developers are starting to make the PS3 lead an building their 360 version around that an the 360 isnt having any problems running game built with the PS3 as lead!! why is that? an I dont care what anybody says EA built madden 09 with the PS3 as lead.graphically the game doesnt look better than last years game, they just gave it a more cinematic flare to give it the illusion that the graphics are better, an thats how I feel they got it up to the 60 fps this year!!

[Eddie20101]

Not true there were several PS2 ports to the Xbox that had the same issues that the PS3 is having with Xbox 360 ports.

There are several game that have been using the PS3 for primary development and most of those games look and run slightly better on the PS3 than they do on the xbox 360, Burout Paradice, Mercenaries 2, and almost all the games being developed and released together recently are virtually identical.

[thewhoopimen]

@1 You can lie to yourself all you want, but you get what you pay for in the end.

Now if the 2K community manager says this:

Hey guys,

First, I want to thank you for the acute attention to detail and the Spartan level of expectation our most devoted BioShock fans hold us to, and how excited you are and attentive to the BioShock PS3 demo. When we saw a post asking about issues found in the demo, we jumped on it immediately. And you know what, you're right. The texture in the PS3 demo of the downed Big Daddy does not match our level of quality either. This slipped by. We admit it. However, I want to assure you that this is an exception, and not a rule, and while I regret this oversight, we put a lot of love into making this game look amazing for the PS3 and I'm sure that when you play the rest of the demo you will agree that the textures are not all like this one instance.

As for the other issues and concerns, we are currently diligently working to replicate any bugs, and will report back to you with what we find. Thank you for your vigilance here and moving forward.
http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

Then we can all be sure you like to pull BS out of your ass.

[Pseudo_Clash]

we'll be spending our time on REAL progressive video games like LBP, R2, Wipeout HD.

[someguy9]

Xbox has more ram for textures... that is why it looks like this.

[swinesucker]

I must say if this is final build and everything is looking that bad I want no part of it

patch the pc with survivor mode and I will be there if I ever get a pc that is

anyway, no thanks

honestly if those pixel issues are in final build I hope this game tanks

PS3 all the way but I'm not for this one

[Eddie20101]

I just went through the demos for both the PS3 and Xbox 360 and the textures are exactly the same on both systems except for the Big Daddy textures, it looks like to me some how a extremely low rez Big Daddy set of texture were submitted for the demo (somebody made a mistake), I see no reason for it other than it was a mistake, unfortunatly a mistake that the Xbox 360 fanboys are going to run with until the game is actually released. Also I think there using some sort of post processing in the game, I don't think it was done to make up for any short fall in resolution, but rather as an effect to soften the look of the game, It is no where nere as blury as the pictures are showing, it is very suptle. I think it looks better and more realistic than the edgy overly lit look of the Xbox 360 version, just my oppinion. Other than some very small hitches in the opening sequence the game runs just as well as the Xbox 360 version, which runs very well.

Some of the small bugs that are in the PS3 version of the demo are in the Xbox 360 version of the demo too and in the exact same places. They were fixed in the Xbox 360 retail version, so you can asume they will be fixed in the PS3 version also.

[LONEWOLF231]

The Problem is not only with the downed Big Daddy, the big daddy that shows up right after the first plasmid injection is also suffering from the same pixelated look.

[Eddie20101]

All the Big Daddy's are the same because they only need one set of big daddy texture to represent the Big Daddy in the game, because the textures are so ridiculously low rez it has to be a mistake. No where else in the game are the texture that low rez, and the Big Daddy would be the last character they would intentionally make look that bad, common sense that it is a mistake. Not like it hasn't happened in a demo before or even a game for that matter.

[thewhoopimen]

Guys you don't need formulate or theorize an answer. 2K is already admitting that they have some quality control issues with the demo:

Hey guys,

First, I want to thank you for the acute attention to detail and the Spartan level of expectation our most devoted BioShock fans hold us to, and how excited you are and attentive to the BioShock PS3 demo. When we saw a post asking about issues found in the demo, we jumped on it immediately. And you know what, you're right. The texture in the PS3 demo of the downed Big Daddy does not match our level of quality either. This slipped by. We admit it. However, I want to assure you that this is an exception, and not a rule, and while I regret this oversight, we put a lot of love into making this game look amazing for the PS3 and I'm sure that when you play the rest of the demo you will agree that the textures are not all like this one instance.

As for the other issues and concerns, we are currently diligently working to replicate any bugs, and will report back to you with what we find. Thank you for your vigilance here and moving forward.

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

Check out this thread.

[karlostomy]

I didn't expect the PS3 version to look THAT BAD!!!

Now I almost feel sorry for the SDF... :(

[chrisgay]

I knew they'd use this as the comparison image- I noticed the pixelated Big Daddy last night and was appalled, but the rest of the game looks great. That Big Daddy corpse is a bit of a mystery to me and maybe it'll be sorted for the full game or something. I'm actually quite looking forward to the comparison videos for this one- should be interesting.

[Sanzee]

1. If the screenshot comparison for any game shows the PS3 version is better:

»»» Total agreement and repetive statements saying how much the 360 sucks and how much the PS3 kicks ass. Aboslutely convinced that such screenshot could never be doctored.

2. If screenshot comparison for any game shows the PS3 version worst:

»»» Total denial with a variety of excuses as to why the PS3 version isn't better. Excuses range from "because it was photoshopped" to "Xbox fans have gone f*cking blind".

I REST MY CASE

[ASSASSYN 36o]

You sony boys would defend doo-doo over candy. It looks like a majority of 360 games. Washed out and over rated.

[PirateThom]

Are you saying the majority of 360 games are washed out and overrated?

[badkolo]

and yet the more powerful cell powered system that can do 4d and you would work 2 jobs to buy one is still playing catch up.

dont get me wrong, drakes F, mgs4,heavenly sword,even motorostorm to me do things i dont see the 360 doing, i admitted that the day i played motorostorm, i feel personally the ps3 can do mor eon screen then the 360 with less hiccups when the games are made for the ps3, im amazed at wipeout hd just from vids and pics and just bought it.

But there lies the problem, only the exclsuives are hot, and unfortunetly becuase of the initial ps3 cost and lack of many games hurt those games, plus the flop of lair didnt help much, also the fact that sixaxis is useless and was just a addon that isnt used much at all.

all while the other system , the one that isnt as powerful, the one without blueray eyc, is still churning out games just as good for cheaper.,

ask yourselves this, if the 360 was known to be mor epowerful, and the ps3 wasnt as powerful, and the roles where reversed where the mor e powerful 360 had crappy ports, unequal multiplats.

what would you sony fans say then.

[gundamx]

there a difference snap taken and i mean in the timing of the photo.

[JAKESPLACE_]

Seriously this is EFIN bonkers. First WTF this is the reason I hate some PSN pple, i dont gat 360 anymore after it RROD'd and I love my PS3 to death, but U drool when 360 has games u dont, and beg or wish for it then when its finally here, U guys sht on it or dont even give it a chance. When fools do comparisons like this u believe them when u have the efin demo to download a game ported from a slightly inferior console to PS3 chip, WTF is comparison vids BTW,How u know the resolutions/TV/console tweaks they had.

Seriously if you guys dont support ports like these after 2K took d time to bring it to PS3, WHATS THE MOTIVATION FOR OTHERS TO DO THE SAME if this doesnt even sell enuff copies bcos of DAFT screenshots. Im not saying PS3 doesnt have games, but its always good to take others that were presumed exclusiv like 360 did by taking FFXIII. SO SUPPORT YOUR CONSOLE/CONSOLES. And stop believing mindless idiots like whichever forum has this screenshot OK!!!!

[Marcus Fenix]

not the PS3's

[bbelly9320_]

2K obviously failed here, there are one year old PS3 games that look vastly superior to both the 360, PC and PS3 versions of this game.

[NickIni]

I actually think this could turn out for the better for the PS3.

Developers will generally want to make their game multi-platform, unless they are going to be paid serious mega bucks by a certain company. These screen shots show that it's hard a pull off a good 360 port to the PS3, making developers more likely to make the game for the PS3 first of all, then port it too the Xbox.

Can't say that it's true, but I think there is some logic behind that, and there have been several articles all over the net about developers recognising the PS3s ability.

[Asurastrike]

I'm glad the PS3 version is crappy. There are too many games coming out this fall and its 1 less I have to get. :P

[pcz]

how could they have overlooked such a ragged pixelation? simple answer, they didn't. if nobody had complained about it they would have happily released the game with the horrible pixellation still intact.

the colours look washed out, the image doesn't look solid and there is blatant pixelation.

awful

[MADTHEO 1994]

well done sony,well done ps!!!!!!!!!!!on ps you have to install but on 360 you don't and the graphics on ps3 suck

[Mclovin96]

I love how the Sony Defense Force always say: " yeah, well, we got uncharted, LBP, and KZ2, so take that!!

LOL have fun playing your 3 exclusive games that u claim look better than all 360 games. Oh wait, 2 of them aren't even out yet. Have fun playing uncharted. which you've already beaten 6 times. which only offers about 5 hours of gameplay. yeah have fun with that.

And don't try to bring MGS4 into the equation, that isn't even a game by most people's standards.

Just face it, PS3 is a massive flop and microsoft will always be one step ahead of sony.

[hay]

Aaaah, fanboyism at it's finest.

[beefinn101]

Its funny when a game is inferior on the PS3 that all the fanboys come up with all types of reasons why the PS3 version is inferior but when the xbox 360 has the inferior version they talk about it all day long(no blu-ray,weaker cell,rrod,dvd-9)I see some people saying so what if the 360 looks better big deal,it is a big deal when your paying $30.00 more for the inferior version.

[Cesarcsrf]

put rgb full on PS3 Setup, and go again take a screenshot... god people don't learn, it was the same thing with Assasin's creen....

[juuken]

EXACTLY!

There's nothing wrong with the game!

[beefinn101]

He just confirm what I have been saying,PS3 fanboys come up with all types of reasons why their version is inferior.Just face it,some games look better on the 360 and some look better on the PS3

[Mr_Luke]

Screenshots?? Where are the screenshots?? I see only the same 2 that keep running around the net, just to feed xbox fanboys.... if you want to do your STUPID (cause they are, stupid and meaningless) comparisons, do them in the right way, show at least 5-6 comparisons. Crappy article, crappy user (the one of the original post, the link one), old pics... a perfect mix.

[sniper-squeak]

They should'nt have ported it over!

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Someone's trying to start something.

These images looked Photoshopped. The first one looks like it has had parts piixelated, while the second one has had its gammma adjusted. Both don't look like in-game graphics to me.

[kimi_maro30]

where can i find the big daddy in the demo cuz i want to check if it is pixelated?

[na2ru1]

its BULL. ALL games since PS2 had smooth shadings.

Those mosaic pixels are from weak PC.

I conclude this is PURE FAKEAGE, next news please!

[kimi_maro30]

i just saw a bigdaddy corpse after the scene when the bigdaddy attack the man bcuz he bashed the girl with a magnum, you will find the corpse near the stairs where 2 splicer is lying down wherein they will be an alert scene then some flying robots will attack (the big daddy corpse is near the gushing water) and its f@#cking pixelated

[ToeKneeHaze]

I played it on the PC, the 360, and the PS3

The differences are not worth writing home about.

Either people are being OCD, Anal, or just plan inflammatory.

Let it go and act like adults instead of children in a school yard.

[XXdeadlysoulsXX]

who cares.bioshock is old anyway.looking foward to all the new games coming for the ps3.

[LFC1EE]

Is the Ps3 now just getting bad developers or what it looks a million times better on xb360, gabes words are coming back to haunt the the ps3, it's to difficult to develope for, this is SHOCKING.

[na2ru1]

EA did a better job of Gaybes game than 2K imo TBH

[LFC1EE]

Bioshock is old are you aright or something! it's not that it's the ps3, you have to know the guts inside out to develope for it, alot of devs just don't have the time like devs who are just making games for ps3.

[watchman]

The power of the cell doesn't stike again. IT's funny, it's always the fault of thje developper. But I never saw a post in a 360 games that we blame the developper for a bad looking game. Stange NO?

[TheFutureProof]

are too different beast...

Being a PS3 owner and a PS3 owner I can see the difference first HAND the differences between PS3 Exclusives and 360 Exclusive..

All my 360 exclusives are also on PC..so its not really exclusives except for Bullet Witch and GOW II. If you compare Microsoft exclusives GOW, Kameo, Mass Effect, Too Human, Bullet Witch(yeah I said Bullet Witch its a 360 exclusive), I cannot think of a so call AAA 360 exclusive..To Sony PS3 exclusives Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, LBP(beta), SOCOOM(beta), R&C, Folklore...OWNS 360 Exclusive in shear quality and production.

[NickIni]

Watchman, you don't blame the developer, the developer does a great job, the hardware just ruins the great work done by the developer.

[TheFutureProof]

Is 360 most complete game, from story, graphics, sound, and atmosphere.

Now if my 360 can have more games like Bioshock. I may play it more. I will be purchasing GOW II, I just hope they incorporates a decent PLOT.

The reason why I prefer my PS3 all exclusives I have played are complete games. story, acting(yes acting Heavenly Swordd the best acting in any GAME),graphics, atmosphere, and etc.

I figure BioShock would be a decent port, I played the demo and it looks good.. the better your HD Display the better the game looks.

If you do not own a 360 and never played BioShock really and truly Fu*K what all these GOBERS are saying on this site and go and purchase Bioshock for your PS3 right away its a worth while experience even if its not exactly like the 360 version..

Being a pS3 owner gives you the chance to play THE BEST GAME that came out on 360 right on your PS3 plus you can play LBP, KZ2, Uncharted 2, SOCOOM, and the countless amount of AAA titles that will make most GOBERS foam...and wish they had a PS3.

360 owner will never get a chance to play PS3 best exclusives..at least no time soon.. We get a chance to play 360 best game and at the same time have enjoy a very HIGH QUALITY gaming library. plus LBP beta too..You can play BioShock Demo and then go play LBP beta(at least I can). Come on people thats priceless....

[MaximusPrime]

2k is one of the example of laziness.

[Vip3r]

Personally, I don't care. I'm buying Bioshock for the gameplay and story. That along with not having to spend £600-£700 on a new PC to play it.

[H-V-H]

Great job guys.

Thanks for ruining Giantbomb.com with all your fanboy CRAP !!

All these new accunts with 0 posts on them spewing crap left and right.

You suck !!!

[Zulwarn]

lmao & there was tons of droid articles claiming the bs3 version would be better looking now look at the droids contradict themselves
hahahaha

[kimi_maro30]

lol zulwarshit it is a demo not the full game wait for the finish product then bash it

[Zulwarn]

lol queermaro
waiting is a job for you droids not me ill bash it as i see it
simple

also why wait for the finished game? if the bs3 version was better looking like you droids claimed the demo would've been in par with the 360 since the demo is released the game wont look any better than the 360 just face it the bs3 gets ANOTHER INFERIOR VERSION!

[TheZippo]

I never noticed the pixels on the downed Big Daddy. I did however noticed them when ever I zoomed in on the revolver to get a more accurate shot. May be just the demo. Still no reason not to get this game for anyone who has been wanting to play this on the PS3. It's a great experience.

[Sena Kobayashi]

Reviewers who arent BS like you guys said the 360version was better , graphics were better and gameplay better also.Basicaly , You guys dont know nothing , you guys are all Fanboys trying to protect your favorite console and can't face the fact that a game that was originaly made for the X360 is better on the X360 than on PS3.Isnt it simple?

FF13 is being made on PS3 first and a few months later they'll release a port on X360 and as much I like the 360 I know that the 360version of the game will be inferior to the PS3's and thats because the game is being made as a PS3 game FIRST. its that simple. No fanboy thinking , im just being real.

it's like you guys were expecting Bioshock to be better on Ps3. tsss get the f1ck out here

Dodging all you fanboys Disagree with my DEVIL BAT GHOST

[NickIni]

True post. The lead console generally gets the better version, but I think it's a bit too early to say which console has a better version of Bioshock, as we haven't seen any of the new extra content, and content>graphics. :)

There's so many great games coming out for both systems at this point, having a bad Bioshock point is no biggie to the PS3, it's still Bioshock, and there's still a load more of awesome exclusives and multi-plats coming out over the next couple of months.

[LukeTheBadguy]

You Sony people are suckers blame it on the developers you just wait till killzone comes yeh you guys keep waitng!

[Sena Kobayashi]

Reviewers who arent BS like you guys said the 360version was better , graphics were better and gameplay better also.Basicaly , You guys dont know nothing , you guys are all Fanboys trying to protect your favorite console and can't face the fact that a game that was originaly made for the X360 is better on the X360 than on PS3.Isnt it simple?

FF13 is being made on PS3 first and a few months later they'll release a port on X360 and as much I like the 360 I know that the 360version of the game will be inferior to the PS3's and thats because the game is being made as a PS3 game FIRST. its that simple. No fanboy thinking , im just being real.

it's like you guys were expecting Bioshock to be better on Ps3. tsss get the f1ck out here

Dodging all you fanboys Disagree with my DEVIL BAT GHOST

[Bryla84]

the unreal engine blows!!
I will not buy any game that uses it! for any system!!!!

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

YO! the PS3 version looks like GeOW2....THATS SHOCKING LOL!

@ Sena Kobayashi
FF13's not percifically made to run on the PS3, SE are using a new all consoles engine 'Crystal Tools', so basically it'll look the same on the PS3 and 360 no doubt about that, probably slightly different colors, but thats about it

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Screw this game it is PC based,
and the first thing you benefit from a PC with IS.. RAM!,
So Texture wise don't expect so much ,However since the 360 can Stream !WTH !
WTH is going on here????
Im sure that this is their first title and I mentioned this months ago that they are PC developers and all they know is PC programming.This game is not a multicore super future game,

It is a PC game that takes advantage of RAM RAM RAM in a PC environment.No matter how you put it it is not a native PS3 game ..There are no benefits of Cell or RSX or BLuray put into full use here , none, just a hand me down dirty port from a PC developer who can't compete with the future asymmetric parallel processing prowess of PS3 native programmers...(Insomniac or naughty dog etc..??)

Brutally Honest: last gen PC programmers have no easy place on a PS3 they have to work down to the metal!!!!

Resistance 2 should shed some light on if its worth the hard work???
to go Parallel, is the trade off worth it???

Last Gen PC developers say no but multicore developers say yes..
Yet Intel and IBM all know the future is Multicore? so who's the lazy scared shshtless guy here??afraid of losing his job? Cause he cant juggle that many cores??
Guess what welcome to Modern Computing A-holes love it or leave it!!!256 Cores soon??start learning!!!PS3 =O

[Blink_44]

Looks like ill be renting bioshock and buying Dead Space.

[picker332]

I'm a ps3fan but oh man the ps3 pic look's like the lowest settings on a computer,OMFG ugly!!!!

disappointing! i was expecting a good port but i guess i got my expectations too high!

[gunnar2906]

Every comparison is made to achieve a goal. Noone's gonna waste one's own time to make useless thingys. The nameless guy who put those screenshots into a nemeless board of "nobody knows" web site did a part of job. Other part did the xbots who spred this "comparison" all around the world.
Noone cares about detecting was a photoshoped fake or something... The ordinary average PS3 user has just to wonder how it was possible with this poor guy. They didn't notice anything wrong with demo enjoying it but what happened now? This comparison made its job just before the game was gonna apeaer on shop shelves: noone wants the game.
Every one can show the thing in the light one wants. You can make pictures of every game to dig out the best or the worst of its aspects. To play a spoiler role in boxing is never respectable, but sometimes is paid better then a win.
What about 2kgames response - it was predictable. If they say it is BS, "gaming community" would begin to cry out that 2kgame reps are assholes. They just had to admit this mistriuos issue to calm down waters.
That is just the way MS choose to prove the world the quality of its products. Bashing, comparing and makeing a kind face during the dirty game. The game MS likes to play..

[Frizzo]

i played the demo, and ive played the game at conventions all over california, i havent seen texture like that in any of the games, i dont trust this picture at all

[na2ru1]

NEVER reached that point of the pic shown. coz the demo stopped before anything could be noticed

[SlaughterMeister]

I've played the 360 version almost all the way through once. Then yesterday, I played the PS3 demo, and I see no difference in-game.

I'll still buy it, the game is wicked.

[ikral]

Wow, PS3 version looks worse than X360, we PS3 owners must commit suicide. And let the world be better place without us. So that Polyphony can make GT for X360. And Microsoft can buy Sony and take all the money. Would you be satisfied? You re yust bunch of kids.

[Coke-a-Cola]

SAR................. WOW. WOW . WOW...................STUNNING BLOODY GAME ~

[snoop_dizzle]

Wow people make WAY too big of a deal of this lol. I saw a difference but nothing too bad. The ps3 version seemed blurrier, though the only time I really noticed it was at the very beginning in the water, so its really no big deal,

But that is just what I saw. There are sooo many different claims here lol. So the question is who is right?

I will still probably gamefly the ps3 version regardless of how it looks for the extra content depending on what it is lol. Then again graphics arent too big of a deal for me(though I do like a certain standard however its no deal breaker for me if the gameplay and everything else delivers)

Now if you found bioshock to be overrated to begin with then yes it doesn't really matter for you then lol, but for people who have and probably will enjoy it they should at least rent it.

I can understand if people are mad because they might of took "shortcuts" or whatever but gee its amazing to see the reaction.

But really lol at the end of the day they are consoles......seriously.

Take a step back and look how funny all of you look on either side(and im not pointing my finger either just in general) ;) Ironically I probably look funny myself :D

and if you respond...please actually read what i said. Thanks ;)

[na2ru1]

Chin up though. i aint complaining. let the 360 fanboys throw a party. They've been silent for a while anyways.

[Jdoggie]

wwwoooowwww....
please fanboys... u cant even try to defend urselves on this one...
guess ill just buy it for my 360 cuz that is sum shhhitt

[SeraphimBlade]

slightly blander textures?! DAMN YOU 2K! YOU HAVE RUINED EVERYTHING! The brilliant story-telling! the creative powers! the perfect atmosphere! All rendered WORTHLESS by your bland texture! DAMN YOU PIXELS! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

For those who agree, gtfo mah internets.

[YouRock]

When playing the demo i've noticed some sort of ghosting effect when you look up and down with the analog stick when staring at a wall for instance. I thought it was my new 1080p tv. When tested it on my 360 at the same spot I had no ghosting effect.

I'm downloading the demo again to try and force it to play on 720P. Maybe the PS3 doesn't handle upscaling well?

[RGTrain]

I love how all these fanboys cry that its a port from a inferior machine. But I remember that all the PS2 games that got ported to the xbox, looked much better on the xbox. How soon the boys forget that, it just shows which machine is inferior.

[Rickerys]

PS3 screenshot f-ing sucks, and im a ps3 owner and hate 360's.. lol

[Erotic Sheep]

Seriously people, why is everyone getting so worked out about this? So the PS3 version isn't as good as the Xbox 360 because of some texture problems. Would that make this game less great?

I don't really care about this small issue, the gameplay is still great and so is this game. I can easily accept this and I'm more than happy 2K actually ported BioShock to the PS3 since this game is GREAT, no matter what system or texture moaning. I'm buying this, no matter what.. hell even if they included Bill Murray as the main character I'd still buy it, it's Bioshock ffs. One of the better games in this gen...

[Killa Aaron]

People are so stupid to compare a demo to a final product

[DFresh]

I'll just get this game on my 360 then when I buy mine this Winter.
I love my PS3 more at this point but still unforunately one game looks better now on the other console so I'll get it on that other console which is my 360.
Most other multiplatform games so far have been looking better on PS3 I don't what happened w/ this title but whatever there are plenty of other amazing games I can get on my PS3 that's not this game.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

but at least my PC will make it look better than the 360 version right?... fanboys!

[Da l33t Monkey]

Who cares which looks better -_-

[Kain81]

here are the truth if you are a Gamer
and not a blind Fanboy
http://gamevideos.1up.com/v...

[HB-Sauce]

Gonna wait for some reviews to come in, but from the previews on websites like IGN it is very weird that the demo is so poorly recieved. I downloaded it yesterday and eventhough I have a small SDTV I still enjoyed it (probably also the reason I wasn't worried about the pixels/textures of the game)

[fatam69]

who really cares version of the game looks better?
They are both the same game, and a great game at that.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Blah! Who cares! I'm already playing the best console version on the 360.

[jack who]

oh so tru

[Timesplitter14]

350 comments because the textures on PS3 Big Daddy's arse don't look as good as X360 Big Daddy

[LightPulp]

That's why i will never get a PS3.

[s8anicslayer]

i own the game for 360 and played the demo for ps3,and i fell the ps3 looks slightly better,those washed out in color pics are fake

[swiftshot93]

i really hope something like this doesn't stop someone from getting this game. this game is absolutely amazing and imo (and my personal favorite part)the story is the best story in a fps. (yes i played half life)

[Silent]

Its ported and you know how that goes, especially from PC/Xbox360. Give me a break. PS3 owners are lucky cause its OCTOBER!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

you know something i just checked the demo of the 360 version. and the big daddy in that looked just like the finalized version.

same thing in the PC version.

[DARKTRINITYxxx]

Well im a PS3 owner but ive already played Bioshock on my brothers XBOX360 when it came out. I downloaded the demo for Bioshock for my PS3. I can say now after playing the demo i went and cancled my preorder. 2K have done a very poor port over on this game and have made a right hash of it. For once it seems the XBOX360 bots are correct. Prob gonna get alot of disagrees from my fellow PS3 owners here but it dont bother me as im just giving my honest opinion. And dont get too excited XBOX360 bots because its very rare i actually agree with you bots.