CliffyB loves MGS4: Best cut scenes in the industry

Epic's design director tells CVG: "The kind of scenes they do in MGS4 are phenomenal. I think it has the best sound and real-time [cut scenes] I've seen in the industry and since they're the best at what they do, players love it."

[Silogon]

I told you people there was more to the story and or Mark would check this pony boy into place. Like me to find the link to the topic where I specifically pointed out --

A - He'd clarify the situation

or

B - Apologize and say he loves Kojima

?

Check thru my comment section if you'd like.

[Kleptic]

actually I thought it was confirmed that what he said was taken entirely out of context...

there are several little clips of interviews with Cliffy B in the special edition BD of MGS4...one of which were he addresses how 'different' it is than other popular western games...he didn't criticize Kojima or the game, he said it is a great change of pace to engage in passive entertainment, in which the point is sometimes hiding and not engaging the enemy...

he then went on to say MGS as a series has changed the industry, but his company has yet to make a game in that genre...that is what he meant by 'Gears 2 will not be passive entertainment'...which was obvious anyway...

that headline made it sound like Cliffy trashed the game...perfect example of only giving 50% of the comment in order to make a storm...

[Truplaya]

i agree that MGS4 has some amazing cut scenes but id still rather play a game than watch cut scenes in one, i usually skip em all.

[kornbeaner]

Then you are truly missing out on some of the best story telling/presentation to ever be made in a video game.

But thats one of the best parts of MGS4 its your choice as to how you want to go through the experience. But fair warning playing through MGS4 without watching the cut-scenes is like sex without the orgasm, still enjoyable but at the end it could of always been better.

Enjoy your MGS4 BB's. :P

[sunnygrg]

CliffyB is worse than your average politician. He is usually seen flip-flopping (Read his comments a few weeks ago as opposed to this) or criticizing a better-than-him developer like Mr Kojima.

[edhe]

That's not flipflopping. He appreciates that they're great cutscenes, but he also says that it's passive entertainment which is not what gears about. They're not contradictory statements.

Think before posting.

[FAQS]

Q:...
A...That's because MGS4 is an unique game...because it allies a MAGNIFIC STORY WHITH A MAGNIFIC MASTERPIECE GAME...the cutscenes are essential to this game beacuse whithout them you miss every detail of the game, most of them brilliants and hilarious! skiping cutscenes in MGS4 is not the same thing that in other nonsense storyless games, if you did that you did a real dumb thing!...I recomend you, if you replay the game, do not skip them, for a COMPLETE AWESOME GAME EXPERIENCE!
Edit to edhe : sorry man but 100% sure that he is turning back whith his words weeks ago, because is terribly explicit! what's the need to coming now whith this talk about how great are the cutscenes? that's because he now knows that he did it wrong in the past!...

[edhe]

See how many disagrees that gets O_o

[Tarasque]

Well i skipped through every cutscene , well actually i watched one. Monkey wanting i a cig, i said ok i watched enough. If i want long cut scene's i will spend 15 buck's on a movie for story and such. I get more enjoyment out of my 60 buck's by playing the game. If everybody would make scene's like this and as long. I would pick a new hobby, i would not pay 60 buck's for 3 hour's of gameplay and 20 hour's of cutscene's.

[RecSpec]

No offense, but if you were going to skip every cutscene, you probably could have just saved your money. Sounds like you just wanted to get through the game just so you could talk about it, instead of enjoying the game.

[SnakeShady]

....noob.
you never understand what is the real meaning of gaming.

[r2kcipher]

i think a game that lacks a good story is mindless entertainment. if i didn't watch the cutscenes in mgs i would have been so confused. why does old guy travel so much? and how do i beat this vampire?

[tojfs7931]

Skip the cutscenes in a story driven game? Makes no sense.

[r2kcipher]

they actually didn't skip the cutscenes because they never played the game...... u should ask them how they skipped them.

[IaMs12]

Real meaning of gaming is not watching a 45min cutscene it is playing the game DUR! I admitt i love cutscenes, i like them they fit the story together better but not a freaking 45 mins.... there is a point where its i had enough lets play... Im sorry but watching a movie in a game is not the meaning of gaming...

[SnakeShady]

you don't get it.
you think that gaming is only tapping on a button. you will never be a real gamer, real gamer understand the game, his true nature, cutscenes are part of the game, the story is the game itself.
you are not watching a movie, you are watching a game, you are playin it, you are part of it.
it's for people like you that videogames never became a form of art, cause you don't get it.
tetris is the perfect game for you, no story, only tapping on a button, no cutscene, only gameplay.

[dantesparda]

And that is the end, everything else is way below that, sh!t i wanted a hour and half long cinema and never got one. I unlike a lot of the A.D.D. ridden people on this site like to watch and enjoy the cinema graphics. On any game, the cinema is when the graphics look their best, i like seeing that. Anybody who complains about MGS4 having 45 min cutscenes, obviously hasnt played it and is full of sh!t.

[IaMs12]

Uh okay im not a "True" Gamer because i like to play the game?? uh ok yah and Watching Cutscenes is not a movie it is playing the game? SINCE WHEN!? im sorry but yes okay follow the story i get it but come on your watching an Episode and a half of Family guy(or what ever show you watch) time with a game? its called a GAME for a reason to play because it is a GAME not a movie

EDIT: No i have not played MGS4 and im not saying the Cutscenes are bad to watch or in fact any of them im just stating that Cutscenes is not the true meaning of gaming?? go rent FFVII Advent Children if you want an Hour Half of Kick A$$ graphics Cinema... i like Cutscenes but it shouldnt make the game the gameplay makes the game hence its called a GAME (YES I understand MGS4 Has awesome gameplay OKAY i heard a lot about it I KNOW i need play it im not bagging on it that way)

[Shankle]

If you weren't so heavily biased against MGS4, and if you played it (ie If you had a PS3), you would very quickly understand why long cutscenes are good. MGS4 is more than most games. Not just different. It's not just a matter of preference. Even if you find the story a little odd for your taste, you will still realise that this game is the template for future gaming. It's symbiotic you see. The cutscenes enhance the gameplay, and the gameplay enhances the cutscenes. You're given a sense of purpose, and you get invested in the story. And one of the main reasons that no one plays the game thinking "oh come on I've had enough of this cutscene, I want gameplay" is because (almost) everyone gets the game for the STORY. If we just wanted the gameplay, Kojima could have given us 20 hours of bloody VR missions.

[Legion]

"The kind of scenes they do in MGS4 are phenomenal. I think it has the best sound and real-time [cut scenes] I've seen in the industry and since they're the best at what they do, players love it,"

Wow... backhanded compliment. Saying they are the best at what they do, uuuhhhmmmmm..... making digital movies. FUNNY! Did anyone truly understand that he was calling him a great movie producer, not a great game developer? Ouch.....!

[SnakeShady]

you don't even have the game and you talk about it?
are you kiddin?
you are talkin about something you don't even have, only things you know is what you read?
....please.....
you are so stupid.
you are talkin about something you never seen.

[IaMs12]

Im not bagging on the game im just making the point that you quoted that Cutscenes are what makes the game and yada yada yaa... im stating that a game is to be played not to watch..(videogames dont bring sports into this lol) yea throw in the cutscenes, thats fine, i guess MGS needed them since its Snakes last mission... but cutscenes shouldnt make the game worth buying its the gameplay, make a movie out of it then... i use to think the same as you EXACTLY the same but ive come to realize its not all about the graphics and story as long as i have fun PLAYING the game its worth the money...

[Tarasque]

Actually, i did not waste my money on this overhyped turd. I had it pre-ordered but cancelled it after i seen the review's of the really long cut scene's. And i gameflyed it, which that is the best thing i have ever done. I beat it in 11 hour's and sent the game back the next day.

[Fishy Fingers]

Bit of damage control after his slip of the tongue a few days ago ("passive entertainment on its way out")?

Cliffy's expertise are in game development, not Public Relations, perhaps he should stick to what he's good at.

[NO_PUDding]

Define good at.

He's a great politician. He still hasn't admitted that it also has great gameplay. People who deny this are just stupid or haven't played it. MGS4 has superb gameplay, it's just equal amounts of movie and game, and it's not that much of a heinous crime. Cutscenes are accepted (even thoguh we shouldn't have to rely on them ever for a game) generally.

And MGO is just plain superb and can hold 4 more players than Gear of War 2. That's not overly impressive.

[socomnick]

I dont think hes flip floping or this is damage control. The way I see it is that the game is boring as fuc** because of all the cutscenes. His statement is true mgs 4 is passive entertainment.

[25]

boring? both mgs4 and gears of war share an over the shoulder shooting mechanic, that was started by re4 of course. the shooting of each game is on par with each other. so, mgs4 not fun = gears of war not fun? y all the hate?

[rogimusprime]

sack lickers that continue to report on everything cliff B says as if he's on a pulpit?

HE MADE A GOOD GAME. ONE. THATS IT.

Yeah, we all love Gears, Its a great game and the second one will probably be even better, but I don't need to hear cliffy B's words as NEWS.

CLIFFY B TAKES A 4lb DUMP!

CLIFFY B GETS A PARKING TICKET!

CLIFFY B VOTED FOR HILLARY!

no one cares...at least the way these 'articles' portray it.

[Enigma_2099]

And just how many variations of "shoot/blow up/chainsaw this locust" can you sit through without wanting to play something else?

[NO_PUDding]

Socomnick, you obviously haven't played or watched it.

The Cutscenes are unbelieveably good. Especially when you ahve splitscreen cutscene and gameplay. Soemthing I ahve never seen in a game before.

And the gameplay is superior to Gears of War. There are so many options in terms of movement and little stealth tactics. And then there's the huge weapon collection with so many different contextual options,a nd customisation.

The onyl critisism anyone can have is that it's too short. No other critisism is valid.

[Shankle]

The ending is lame.

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[kornbeaner]

LenHart is back, TAKE COVER!!!!!!

[FAQS]

Q:
A: Exactly man: THE LIST OF THE TRUTH!!

[BLUR111]

Ohh god. not you again TunaktunakTun +and your game list in every comment you make you and others are why ppl left n4g community. godamn fanboys and juuken

[poos3]

LOL 60% OF THAT list is all from his twisted mined meaning there has never been info of any such game.

[Bladestar]

wow... huge list... but out of all those games the best ones are:

Team Ico Unannounced Game
Team Ico Unannounced Game
Epic Unannounced Game

This list is not complete because you missed:

(insert all game developers here) Unannounced Game.

funny.. if you remove from this list all the games that are unannounced and games already released... your super list would be very small...

[ThatCanadianGuy]

That's a pretty impressive list no matter what way you spin it

And no poos3 you stupid f*ckin waste of air,All those games are confirmed.accept for the un-anounced ones,wich will be presented at E3

[Shadow Flare]

D,D,D,D,D...Damage Control

[Figboy]

what you did there.

[Wildarmsjecht]

He should do a barrel roll.

[AllroundGamer]

lol i never used that feature with the barrel in MGS4, and i finished it 2 times now and going for the third run, i found it pretty much unusable when you just can sneak by the enemies or just kill them :)

[25]

cliffy was shot with a rage tranquilizer. lol

[highdro]

true say the cut scence are amazing but u just have to admit >SOME WERE TO LONG AND BORING AS FCCK< if the gameplay was not as solid as it is i would have returned the game but lucky for me the game play is amazing, to bad the online is not as fun as cod4.i dont play the online game its to slow, they really need to add a patch to make ur gy run and make the maps smaller because sometimes i run around for a while and dont see any body or when i do see some one its not really fun killing them because its only one person u run into and whenu kill him it takes a while to find more people, but in cod4 as soon as i start i throw a grenade and get a kill run foward for like 5 second and get a head shot -_-

[kornbeaner]

Thats because you are a twitch gamer, You most likely play FFA, TDM or other game modes where you get endless spawns. If you played modes like Search and Destroy or even HQ you'll find that the pacing can be as slow and more tactical like that in which Metal Gear online is meant to be played. I for one am glad that MGO is a totally different experience from CoD4. If I feel like playing CoD4, I'll play CoD4, I won't play MGO expecting it to play like CoD4.

[thor]

I found COD4 to be very fast paced, and I bored of it after a while - except search and destroy, that's where I spent most of my time. Taken straight from Counter Strike it may be, but it's still awesome. Now I'm playing MGO, and my only criticism is the lag.

Team Sneaking mode is my new favourite; I actually say the defending team patroling up and down whilst a teammate snuck behind them, took the target and ran back to the goal. I've hidden in cardboard boxes and drum cans, and watched opponents run by. I've played dead on the floor, waited for a guy to come next to me then point my gun at him to hold him up while his back is turned. I've been held up by Snake, only to be tranquilised and have my dog tag stolen.

There's so much more I could list - as I say the only problem is lag but I put that down to not listing a ping on any of the games or players :| Just a coloured bar which people pay not much heed to :|

[patriotZero]

He said about passive entertainment for mgs4 3 days ago

[kornbeaner]

I really like what C.B. said if he meant what he said. Whether he hates or Loves MGS4 doesn't change what I feel for him as a game designer.

I personally feel C.B. is one of the most talented designer out there but he is very limited as to what his scope is. Whether he hates or loves MGS doesn't change that. And to all the PS3 whiners that will flip flop or even have a "That what I thought" feeling, he is who he is and Kojima is who he is. Leave it at that.

[ustayclassyn4g]

that should make them call off the cosplay deathsquads sent for cliffy.

[Relcom]

He is in the special edition Blu-Ray talking about the game.

[Ali_The_Brit]

LMAO

i wonder what the xbutts are going to say about there mighty gears of war hero saying how great the cutscenes truely are?

getting this inbefore the barage of comments arive.

[highdro]

its nice that mgo is different but u dont have to make the pace as slow as that... even TDM is boring and slow. the amount of times i have tried the online i just end up wondering around and looking at the AMAZING graphics but not killing any body..they really need to add a run button and make it more intense,it would be nice if u have TDM or DM at a fast pace and smaller maps so u run into an enemy more but games like BASE CAPTURE or SNEAKING can be done at a different pace.

[kornbeaner]

I know where you're coming from, because when I was in the BETA I felt the same at first, Slow, Boring, and yawn inducing. But the more I got into that game and started playing the game the way it was meant to be played the more rewarding the game was to me. The maps IMO opinion except for one (which I cant name off the top of my head, it's the smallest one in the rotation) are prefect for all types of players.

If you like to snipe then you can do that, if you want to approach it like an infantry man you can do that as well, Heavy gunner that can be done as well.

My suggestion would be play in a room that has a lot of people present, or if you really want a challenge go into a room where known teams (might take a little research) play and you will most likely not have the problem of running around with nothing to do, but be warned you will die a lot. But then you will actually be challenged to find multiple paths to approach each of the games modes.

[Tarasque]

Ok alot of people get off standing still in a corner a creeping around waiting for someone to come. I can't stand playing like that. maybe i have adhd. I can't just sit still i have to be playing not standing waiting for someone or camping looking for people. Maybe that's why i think the online is so slow the control's is slow the gameplay is slow. So i guess if you are a stoner the gameplay is perfect for you (J/K).

[crank]

damage control again and again

they were like

cliffy seriously

we WILL fire you....

LOL

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

This is just more proof of how little you can trust journalist - they take things out of context and distort the truth to juice up the news.

[DoctorXpro]

Do you know this two ones

[25]

that pic reminded me of of this = )

[DarkSniper]

Even Clifford Blezenski cannot avoid the simple fact that Hideo Kojima is clearly the most superior game maker in the industry today. Combining Mr. Kojima's vision with PLAYSTATION®3 hardware and you clearly have a masterpiece. Instead, it looks as if Clifford and his development team at Epic will be making another average/mediocre shooter that will suffer at retail due to it being developed on Xbox 360's trash hardware.

It seems that gamers would rather have passive entertainment instead of the garbage that's on Xbox 360.

$niper

[Ali_The_Brit]

id give you every bubble i had if i could

[End Of war 2]

wow did u wet the bed tonight ,are you planning a high shooting slit boy? as your comment just then had a deadly viciousness ti it haha o btw gears of war makes killzone 2 and mgs4 looks very flat and stale and thats me comparing it to just the multiplayer and your wetting your pants, at E3 you'll be seeing something from bungie 360 exclusive btw,and not to mention all this gears of war 2,left for dead,alan wake,halowars,fable2,too human,bajoo 3,tunr 10s new game,mass effect 2,hey lets not forgot square enix noting about ffaxii so forgot about that this year they have star ocean 4,last remnant showing only for the 360 ,so4 will be a mega game deal with it.
ALL you sony fanboy swill see at e3 is resistance 2 looks average like the 1st,motor storm 2 no 1 cares,thats abouto prolly kz2 thats it tbh maybe a a cgi clip of gow3 to be released 2010 most likely considering sony tactics of showing game 3 years before the are realsed (e.x KILLzone 2)

[dachiefsman]

"Epic's Cliff Bleszinski has praised the work of Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima, saying that his Tokyo-based team are "the best at what they do".

"I'm a huge fan of Kojima," he said, when CVG asked what he thought of the controversy over Metal Gear Solid 4's near-90 minute cut scenes.

"The kind of scenes they do in MGS4 are phenomenal. I think it has the best sound and real-time [cut scenes] I've seen in the industry and since they're the best at what they do, players love it,"

Since you didn't read the article, he complimented kojima on his work. Yet again your post fails like usual.

[juuken]

He complimented Kojima? In what way? It seems as if he insulted the man even further by saying the cutscenes were the best in the game. What about the gameplay? He couldn't talk about the gameplay could he? All he talked about were the cutscenes.

I can spot an insult a mile away, even if it's encased in sugar-coated goodness.

[dachiefsman]

What would he honestly gain from insulting Kojima?

So by saying the cut scenes looks good he is saying the gameplay is bad.
Your rationalization is horrible. He could of said that Kojima is God and MGS4 is the holy grail and it still wouldn't of mattered.

Juuken are you a David Jaffe fan?

[juuken]

What would he gain? Um...glorifying his own freakin' game? CliffyB was trying to disguise his annoyance with MGS4 by sugarcoating things. He didn't have to flat out insult the game. He could have hid it behind seemingly kind words.

You may think my rationalization is horrible, but I have my reasons why I think he meant to insult Kojima. Why is it so hard for him to praise the gameplay? Why must he resort to calling the game passive? Why must he then jump to the cutscenes? The gameplay and cutscenes were attacked by 360 fanboys from left to right.

He was just trying to stir up trouble.

And what does David Jaffe have to do with this? I don't even know who he is for that matter.

[DarkSniper]

David Jaffe is known of recent for his development of God of War. But Dark Sniper remembers him from the 90's from the award winning Twisted Metal series. Mr. Jaffe is one of the cornerstones along with Kojima of changing the way Sony Snipers play videogames. When it comes to intelligent industry minds, they all realize that PLAYSTATION®3 is the suitable system to carry forth their vision.

$niper

[dachiefsman]

and then it comes out in the end, it isn't about Cliffy its about fanboys bashing MGS4.

He praised the cut scenes, but maybe at that particular moment he had nothing to say on the gameplay. It wasn't like he was supposed to review the game. The Passive entertainment comment was taken out of context and some people just took it and ran wildly. I have beaten MGS4 and personal, I agree with him. I wasn't actively immersed in the game the whole time. NOW with that being said does that take away from the game...hell no. It is a 9/10. It would have been 10/10 imo if MGO was more fun.

[highdro]

lol..the other gy looks almost like him..

[fishd]

DAMAGE CONTROL FTW!!!

[rootEXT]

I agree on what cliffyb said a few weeks back, MGS4 is passive compared to Gears of War. I also like his game and its one of best games this gen, but MGS4 is one of the best game off ALL time.

Bring on Gears of War 2 and MGS5

[SL1M DADDY]

Then Cliffy made it sound pretty good. I didn't agree with him when he said passive entertainment is out but I sure can agree with him when he states that MGS4 has the best cutscenes ever. They are bar none the best I have ever seen.

[Blademask]

CliffyB is part of the team that Developed Gears of War. A very shallow shooter.

Why is he on n4g daily? Can someone please tell me that? Gears of War did not sell 10 million or break any sort of sales record. Nothing remotely innovative in the title. The game does not set itself apart from the mass of other unreal titles. Just because they include American History X -style- Curb stomping doesn't put it miles ahead of COD4 for instance, which is a better game.

Yet this guy is always talking as if he too has shared over 10 years of success with the Gears Franchise.

Him saying MGS4 having the best cut scenes, is a complete insult. Thats why later in the interview he says "...But our cut scenes are short to get the player back into the game" I knew he couldn't just let it go.

I want to know what qualifies him to be the focus of media attention and not say some actual talented developers like the folks at Infinity Ward/Rockstar/Naughty Dog/Insomniac etc. Is it because the rest of developers are too busy working on their games and actually improving them versus cliffy and the boys doing a texture mod for Gears 1 and calling it Gears 2 with 2 extra players in multiplayer?

If I understood why him saying this, as an underwhelming developer, is newsworthy. I'd feel like maybe he isn't such a blow hard. Its like the MS fanboy club, and I do mean boy, Has boosted this guys ego so much that he thinks hes a celebrity now. We are creating a monster. I was reading a Gears article the other day. Cliffy's own pictures were bigger than the pictures of the actual game.

MGS4 has the best in game cut scenes in the industry, thats blatantly obvious. A more genuine compliment would have been to talk about gameplay. But I forgot, MGS4 is passive entertainment.

[Tarasque]

I don't know of a single MGS game that sold 10 mill. I think the highest was 3 which sold like 6, i could be wrong. But anywho there is no reason to throw stat's cause i know you know what stat's are between gear's and mgs4. But i am with cliffy, i want to play the game not watch a movie. If i want to watch that much story i will rent a movie or buy it for fraction of the cost. I spend 60 buck's to play a game, not to have a few hour's of gameplay. They should have spent more time making it longer and making the A.I. better the game itself would have been much better. When you say MGS4 all anybody can talk on is cutscene's, don't say otherwise cause that's all that has been talk about. For people that has never ever played a MGS game thought the game was just ok (And i am one of them). For people that is a fan of MGS they thought the game was GOD.But at the end of the day it come's down to stat's not my opinion not your's. If the game is so L33t how much did it sell there is what 13 mill Ps3's and MGS4 has sold what?

[Blademask]

Thats exactly my point.

I'm feeling out for what success Gears had. It definitely isn't sales. Like I could see a developer from Bungie acting this way, but not for Gears. People just grant Cliffy some pass, without really any solid reason. At all. I am not comparing the two games. Because you cant. The MGS series is in a league of its own. The one it created. The same could not be said for Gears.

Sales don't mean quality, but it does qualify you to say, poke your head up a bit more than the other guys. I think everyone here could agree that Bioshock was a better game than Gears, but I do believe gears sold more. The only reason I bring up sales, is to TRY to find the reason that Cliffy is such a media whore. Its like he has credit for being some amazing dev, when all they have to show, is a shooter with a typical story. Every game doesn't have a 30 million dollar advertising campaign behind it like Halo3. Which is why there is only one 8 million seller on the 360, and thats Halo3. MGS4 sold 3 million with minimal advertising and 14m ps3's out. Gears sold 5 with 19 million 360's out. So I guess Halo3 must be the best game ever according to you? Since its so l33t. *yawn*

I am not here to insult games, because I understand that some gamers love RPG's, others dont. But I am here to question cliffys place among other great developers, when his game comes up short.

MGS4 is unquestionably the best game out this generation. Diverse gameplay, amazing visuals, amazing sound design, good online, good replay value. Anyone who pretends to know MGS enough to say its all cut scenes and that there is no gameplay, is an utter jackass.

[Shankle]

"For people that has never ever played a MGS game thought the game was just ok (And i am one of them). For people that is a fan of MGS they thought the game was GOD."

Dude my friend who has never played another MGS game said MGS4 was god. He just doesn't own a 360. Or a PS3 or a Wii in fact.

And why do you care about stats so much? Look at the crap that sells millions on the Wii!

[WIIIS1]

Thank goodness not too many companies are in the business of making passive entertainment cut-scenes, however technically brilliant they may be.

[Blademask]

Because right now you are just using a phrase that CliffyB made up.

[kewlkat007]

Man and I thought my little niece was sensitive.....

Cliffy enough with the Apologies, which was never never ever needed, I'm sure you have respect for other Great Devs. I understood what he meant by "Passive", some will never and even if they did they would still hate. No use really...

More so it's the Gears of War game as to why some hate ya the most. You put that game on PS3 oh the table turns rather fast, I reckon.. Some just Love to Hate Success, hey look at Bill Gates.

Cliffy and Kojima are good at what they do. One is American and the other Japanese. If it was reversed I wonder how the personalities would be like. I hardly here Kojima talk. Pretty quiet guy but then again I'm sure in his native tounge, he is a little more open.

[Blademask]

Its a great game. But I'm missing the major success that propels cliffyb to be a media idol.

What can you say about Gears success that hasn't been shared by multiple other developers?

All I'm saying, is what exactly is it that separates Cliffy/Epic/Gears from other developers that have made more technically advanced, bigger, better, and more badass games.

I feel that his induction into the developer hall of fame is completely artificial. I could see if he was a design lead on Bioshock, or something that was truly new and fresh. But the guy was just part of the team that made Gears.

[dachiefsman]

@bladestar

<Gears of War won several awards at the 2007 Interactive Achievement Awards at the D.I.C.E. Summit, including "Overall Game of the Year", "Console Game of the Year", and "Action/Adventure Game of the Year", and "Outstanding Achievements" in Animation, Art Direction, Visual Engineering, and Online Gameplay.[78] The game received the awards of "Ultimate Game of the Year" and "Xbox Game of the Year" at the 2007 Golden Joystick Awards.> Wikipedia

I think Gears catapulted him to that status. He reminders of Dave, but not near as vocal.

Question do you like Dave Jaffe?

[kewlkat007]

Hey I do not see the difference with this guy. I'm sure you could name many others.(Whether they are milking that franchise or not).

Yes gears is a good game, and Yes that's what made this guy a little more popular within the last 3 years. I'm sure if some were in his shoes after having success it would be no different.

I think he has a kick-ass personality, yes a little swagger here and there but he has taken the face of this game and maybe EPIC. Like I said jealousy won't get ya anywhere in life.

[masterofpwnage]

simple
mgs4 is one big master piece.
imean wat bad stuff can u say about it

oh it has bad glass breaking.
hahahahaha
that still makes me laugh. can u belive that
hahaha

[FPS nut]

I would play this game if it had a bit more action.

[masterofpwnage]

this game has hella action, the only time there wasnt action was wen
SPOILER
u have to spy on that guy to get to big mama, but the boss battle and the motorcycle made up for it

[SnakeShady]

go play gear of war, or any other game that don't have such storytelling.

[B-Rein]

Cutscenes are truly amazing, watched em all, never skipped 1, id also love to watch em again, I aint even a mgs fan lol, 1st mgs game i ever played

[Prismo_Fillusion]

Gears of War was/is a very good game, but only because it was:
1. Very polished
2. Had *great* graphics when it was released (still very good graphics 2+ years later)

But that's not enough to cement it as a great game in gaming history, in my humble opinion. Does MGS4 have what it takes? I think it likely does. And it's not because of the polish or the graphics (of which it has both) - it's because of the story and the unique gameplay.

[juuken]

...
...
...
DAMAGE CONTROL!

Lol, you would have to be a fool not to believe this guy is spinning damage control. First he said MGS4 was passive gameplay and now he's talking about the cutscenes? Why can't he own up like a man and admit that the gameplay was just as awesome as the cutscenes?

[SonySoldierEternaL]

GiantEnemyCrab

suck my ballz

[-Maverick-]

Massive Damage!!!!!!!!

ahahahhahahahhaha

[Zeevious]

that crab's pincers?

You sure you want those anywhere near your ballz?

I'd have a Crab-Cracker some Drawn Butter & Old Bay seasoning handy if I was you...and what you do with those is your business.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

LOL! What are you doing hiding in this thread that I never posted in and calling me out?

No I will not suck your ballz you ghey0r. Have your daddy do it but of course he is going to have to wait for them to actually drop.

You gonna hit me with your purse next you little puss?

[ICUP]

Roflcopter.

[Tommy Vercetti]

Nice comeback Crab. Don't listen to these homosexuals. MGS4 is a series that had a man doing naked cartwheels. No wonder SonySoldierEternal and Maverick like it so much.

[dachiefsman]

so now he says that the cut scenes are great and he is still an a-hole in some of your eyes.

Truth is you didn't like him before the "passive entertainment" and no matter what he says it won't change your opinion of him.

[Alcohog]

MGS4 is f***in awesome. We all knew this already.

[PimpHandHappy]

its not like Epic is known for making great games with great stories! They make a good FPS and have one real great game

yea yea yea

They make the engine for other good games

big deal

I wonder what Kojima thinks of Unreal?

[FantasyStar]

He's probably thinking "that American man is talking alot! They should probably duct-tape his mouth and put diapers on his ass so journalists don't eat up his BS."

[-PS3-FAILURE-]

Well they should start making films then shouldnt they because the gameplay in MGS4 sucks ar*e!

You want a real game, then lets wait for the best to come. GEARS OF WAR 2!

oh and the rest......Get used to it PS3 Fanboys. Your system is a failure. Xbox 360 is taking over. Microsoft have next-gen gaming on LOCKDOWN!!!!!!!

Ditch the PSh*t and buy yourself a Xbox 360...Thats if anyone wants one of them pieces of sh*t anymore.

[Exia]

Did CliffyB say that MGS4 is a passive game, so why is he praising it?

[Figboy]

can ANY of the 15 year old gamers that drool over Gears of War and it's "bigger, better, and more badass" gameplay say that, in 10, even 20 years, they'll still love the character of Marcus Fenix?

i didn't get introduced to Solid Snake at the very beginning, but i did play the NES Metal Gear once upon a time in the late 80's, early 90's; a friends copy.

it wasn't until 1998 and Metal Gear Solid that i fell in love with Solid Snake.

10 years later, and i'm STILL enjoying the character's antics and finding him an engaging protagonist.

i'm 29 years old now, and i just couldn't get into the Gears of War "story." well, there wasn't much of one, but the bland, stereo-typical, and cliche characters didn't help grip me either. if i wanted to relive the 80's era "big buff guys with guns fighting aliens" genre, i'd rent Predator (or any 80's era Schwarzenegger action flick).

whereas a character like Solid Snake is a genuine, 3Dimensional character, as are the people who surround him.

i'm not saying Gears of War is a bad game. it's not my thing, but i did enjoy playing it with my roommate. HOWEVER, that faux, "TO THE X-TREME!" and Generation X wrappings is just silly, and Cliffy, with all of his posturing and talk just comes off as a pathetic 30-something trying to retain his youth and be hip with the latest crowd.

what's going to happen when a lot of you younger Gears fans "get over" that style of character and gameplay (i was a kid who LOVED games like Mortal Kombat, Splatterhouse, etc, because they were "AWESOME," due in large part to the copious amounts of blood and violence in the games. by the time i reached high school, games like Chrono Trigger took hold of my imagination in terms of story, character, AND gameplay).

it's obvious that there are people that hate Metal Gear Solid. why they have to comment on EVERY SINGLE story post related to the series is beyond me.

fans KNOW the game has lots of long cutscenes. obviously, if we didn't like them, we wouldn't have bought into the series. how people can complain about gameplay in the 4th of a series makes no sense. if they changed the template too much (and Kojima ALREADY changed an awful LOT about the gameplay, yet still managed to retain the MGS feel), the FANS wouldn't be happy. MGS4 is for the fans. if any of you dissenters had played the original three for longer than a few minutes, you may have become fans also, then MGS4's presentation would rile your feathers so much.

some people will enjoy Gears. some people will enjoy Metal Gear. some people will enjoy BOTH. i happen to like MGS better.

god forbid two popular games aren't EXACTLY alike in every single way. i mean, do people WANT cookie-cutter titles (don't answer that; the sales of MOST FPS titles released the past two years makes that question rhetorical)?

they're two totally different games, and a long, complex story just wouldn't fit in with the Gears world, in the same way that a bare bones, straightforward story wouldn't fit in with the established MGS world.

*edit - oh yeah, and Cliffy B. is a douche. god i hate that guy...

[Avto]

Yes same here I used to think some of this game were good, but now I look for more depth in single player campaign. And MGS4 got both great well paced gameplay and deep story. As for Cliffy B I mean what's wrong with this guy why should a game be more "badass"? He is trying to make some think MGS4 is all cut scenes what he doesn't understand is MGS4 is considered an overall better game with better gameplay and graphics than GeOW.

[kewlkat007]

When you sit there and look at it, you really can't compare a 20 Year old Franchise that is built on Story to a 3 year Shooter..

The story so far in MGS have been complex and have changed a lot, as far as the GAMEPLAY not so. It's still MGS with little few things added here and there.

Gears of War may not have a strong story(given the first game) but I would not compare it to MGS(a 20 year old espionage franchise built on a complex story, which have progressed through real world wars).

MGS story is believable, given what is going on in real life but Gears of war is all Sci-fi. I think it takes a lot more work to create a great sci-fi story. That is not one of EPIC's strengths. I could easily say Kojima's strength is not a straight out Shooter with great gameplay.

Basically I'm not gonna praise one dev over the other because they are good at what they do. But I remember Kojima stating this:

http://kotaku.com/390267/ko...

[Rusted]

Superb post figboy, as usual. Bubbles (even when you don't need it)

[n4gno]

The kind of news you 'll never see on kotaku :)

[MikeGdaGod]

i watched all the cut-scenes during my first play-through but through my second and third play-throughs i only watched the action packed ones.

[thehitman]

Didnt he downplay MGS4 a while ago?? I find that this guy contradicts himself a lot. Didnt he call the wii a toy 1 article and then said he liked the wii motion shyt and controls?

Either som1 is fabricating and putting shyt in his mouth or this guy is a very confused person.

[-Maverick-]

Cliffy B knows his role.

Kojima is a legend. Cliffy B might be one day also. Let him create a MGS series, stealth genre and every other game he touches, turn to gold just like Kojima.

MGS4 is without a doubt the watermark though. The game is insane.

[tojfs7931]

intention to spoil people's opinion of games and trash everything in site?

[Exorgasm]

It seems that way.

[chidj2]

so clyffyB do u like mgs4 or not?

[TheXgamerLive]

Joked about how his cut scenes are like 3 or 4 minutes and then you actually play the game. Do you comprehend? In his games you actually get to play the game as apposed to just mainly watching it:)

[-Maverick-]

moron. There is NO OTHER Metal Gear Solid.

Did you read IGN, gamespot, Gamepro and gameinformer's MGS4 reviews?????/\

ALL PERFECT SCORES AND ABSOLUTE PRAISE. MGS4 is one of the greatest games of all time and has completely obliterated the bar for action and stealth games....will IGN be saying that about Gears 2 when it releases in 4 months. NO WAY.

Try again BOT. MGS4 is in a league of its own.

[Nevers]

When ya gonna reassure us that the sky is blue now...?

[smurfie4]

I sense a little sarcasm in Cliffy b's statement. Theres more to mgs4 than the cutscenes. I have to admit that even though I love mgs4 the cutscenes do get a bit tiring. With that said, they are orchestrated so well you tend to forget the amount. The gameplay is very open-ended as well. You can take the stealthy approach, or shoot anything that breathes. Its up to the player to decide how he/she want to tackle the mission.

[juuken]

Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. I sense a sh*tload of sarcasm in those words. Too bad the rest of the idiots here defending him can't seem to see that.

[IPlayGames]

I love the cut scenes but yeah i could have done with out some of them but in all it makes the game a complete package.

If anybody DL this months core I wanna see how the Rfom 2 cut scenes come out.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

First he hates it, then he loves it! He needs to get the stick out of his ass!

Although smurfie4 and juuken are probably right about the sarcasm, lol.

[cmrbe]

that people were just taking what cliffy said out of context. The vast majority of devs have alot of respect for each other unlike fanboys. Obviously each devs are different and they have different perspectives but that dosen't mean they don't like each other at all.

Look. I firmly believe the media took just two words he said out of context and bait most of you guys. In this day an age you guys should know how to filter what is BS and what is not. Yes i agree that he should have used better words but it happens even to the best of PR people. There is no denying the ultimate truth though. Cliffy does respect Kojima alot and here are some excerpts from the article.

Epic's Cliff Bleszinski has praised the work of Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima, saying that his Tokyo-based team are "the best at what they do".

"I'm a huge fan of Kojima," he said,

"The kind of scenes they do in MGS4 are phenomenal. I think it has the best sound and real-time [cut scenes] I've seen in the industry and since they're the best at what they do, players love it," he added.

"It's the hallmark of the series - the camera angles and dramatic scenes and it's really taking film-making to this new digital level," he said, while admitting that his personal preference 'as a gamer' is shorter cut scenes.

[n00bzRtehgey]

Cliffy is right on the money. MGS games have the best cut-scenes in the industry. Without question. And also, without..gameplay lol. ownage.

[PSWe60]

sitting on the side lines watching the real games pass them by...

Keep crying Bots, enjoy your N64 game!

!!!!!!!!!!!L O L!!!!!!!!!!

[interrergator]

wasnt didnt he say it was a PASSIVE ENTERTAINMENT

[outlawlife]

how many times are we going to see quotes from the same interviews posted as a new article?

every single quote is taken out of context to get a rise out of one group or the other and it floods the page with useless news

[The Goulet]

This dude is flip flopping but it's all good. Give props to one of the best games ever made. MGS4.

Goulet

[pshizle]

yes the presentation was amazing

but i think that bioware does a better job on telling a story

great game though

[Tacki]

This is what happens in the comments every damn time an article like this comes out. Fanboys run amuck and everything goes to hell. There's a few people that make some intelligent responses, but you have to sift through the countless levels of BS just to get to them. Sure, this is N4G and this is the type of crowd that's here... but it's still ridiculous. I just know I'm going to get a bunch of disagree's from both sides for no reason.

If MGS4 went to the 360 the xbox fanboys would be rubbing it in everyone's face and suddenly showing interest. Including many who've called it nothing more than a movie.

Same goes for the PS3 fanboys if they were to receive Gears.

And guess what? It's very easy to argue that MGS4 and Gears have the SAME amount of GAMEPLAY. Many who've said MGS4 has little gameplay and is short if you minus the cutscenes haven't even played the game themselves. And those who have and still claim this must also agree that Gears is short. If you don't you're seriously a f*cking hypocrite.

But these things shouldn't matter because they're not even in the same genre. No, the fact that they both feature GUNS does not put them into the same category. MGS is and always has been stealth action. Gears is a third person shooter. One relies heavily on story and one relies heavily on non-stop action. It's not wrong to like one over the other but it is stupid to come and proclaim that one is BETTER than the other as if your opinion is supreme law. They should never have been compared.

Guess what? I think CEREAL is better than both these games! No wait... I really don't, but that's about as valid as half the things that have been said in these comments.

Everyone play the games you like and stop freaking out and thinking you must convert every person who differs in opinion from you. This gets so childish it's not even funny.

[Spydiggity]

isn't even an article. it's taking his words out of context. he said he likes the way they did the cut scenes but he'd rather have a short break then get right back into the action.

from all the things i've read, he's basically saying he doesn't really like MGS4.