LucasArts prioritizing PS3, unleashing Force

Though its forthcoming game, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, started development on the Xbox 360, LucasArts' "new baseline" will be Sony's console.

"Our next project will use the PS3 as the baseline, and then apply that to the Xbox 360," said Haden Blackman, project lead for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.

After some hard-learned lessons in developing The Force Unleashed, LucasArts now has a strategy for future multiplatform titles: develop the PS3 version first.

The new game was demoed for first time in public by the developer -- which almost made a new KOTOR instead.

[name]

niiiiice.

[Martini]

Smart move.
Common sense tells you that you should make the game with the lowest common denominator and go from there.
That way you won't be struggling with making the game work on a particular console as it is guaranteed to run on the higher spec. machine.

[Violater]

hopefully the ps3 version of force unleashed is up to par.

[Panthers]

Why disagree with Violator? He is right. This article basically says that they had difficulty with the PS3 version.

[games4fun]

I guess the ps2 was more powerful than the original xbox? because you know the xbox1 had to be very weak console compared to the graphic might of the ps2 because xbox1 was the "lowest denominator" when they would devolop games for it first right?

or are you just wearing fanboy glasses in fanboy land and crying like a baby?

[Richdad]

233 mhz < 733 mhz
32 Mb ram < 64 Mb Ram
gfx card equivalent to geforce 2ti< gfx card better than geforce 3Ti

All the above stats show that the hardware was in case of Xbox 1 more powerful, the only advantage the PS2 had was of fill rate as far as the survival in the market account anything that sells will survive, even with howso ever weakend hardware it has.
I say this on account of being PS2 user and my friend who showed me multiplatform games on xbox1.
Till 2004 it was Ok with PS2 but after that I didnt saw much improvement in graphics except for RE4 and GOW, GOW 2.

[thewhoopimen]

Are you daft? Martini is right?! where do you come up with that logic? Based off his btw, sarcastic backhand, the Wii should be the lead platform being the lowest common denominator not to mention highest base.

[JsonHenry]

Is it not easier to make it on the PS3 THEN port to other consoles? Sounds like a smart move since the PS3 (for the time being at least) is the lowest common denominator among ported games.

[BobDog]

@ rich dad

he was being sarcastic... he was implying martini's logic

bet u feel like an idiot

[Anything but Cute]

another developer will be doing it right. More and More developers are gonna learn this.

[gonzopia]

This is the best part...

"Virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. 'They all are now, since it's just easier,' he told GameSpot."

...oh, snap.

[wow4u]

"Virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. 'They all are now, since it's just easier,' he told GameSpot."

Yes.

Exactly. And since I have to explain it, I feel pity for you.

Translated:

It is easier to port PS3 code to the Xbox 360 than to port Xbox 360 code to the PS3 -- WITHOUT WASTING TIME AND MONEY TO SQUEEZE OUT PERFORMANCE.

So, Mutliplatform games will now be gimped to the PS3.

[SnakeCL]

Actually, no. Since PS3 will be lead platform, games will play to the strengths of that platform, namely, the better texture filtering processing power.

So if anything, games ported from PS3 to 360 will be lesser than their PS3 original.

[drewdrakes]

SnakeCL - Actually no, the 360 has better texture filtering. Its graphics card has more pipelines for shaders. As well the 360's graphics chip's pipelines are general purpose and so can be either pixel or vertex.

[Richdad]

The devs have to use power of processor in PS3 to get graphics so its up to the cell and its software driver to give the result. But I dont know the depth abt texture filtering and all that on either console.

But whatever is the case why did the Devs didnt used the CPU processor power in last gen, I mean the PS2 and xbox were not even 1 GHZ in processing power but when I turned on GTA Sandandreas on Intel exteme GPU ( yeah very poor of me) it doesnt work but the processor of a normal PC by most accounts was 2.4GHZ. So why didnt the Devs did that to the PC what they are doing on PS3 use processor more and less GPU.
I dont why even devs compalin abt PC sells, when a PC gamer is not even sure that if the game howso ever good he is purcahsing will work properly or not but in case of console we ask for 60 fps and 1080p things, inspite of the fact that a high end PC costs enough to get you all the 3 next gen console.

[gonzopia]

Listen - the issue at hand has nothing to do with which system has better graphics or processing power, it's about development time. The PS3 is a more complicated system to develop for - it has a more elaborate system. Therefore, it takes longer. It's easier, like the quote says, to dev for the PS3, then port to the 360 for that very reason.

Why is this good? It's good because more devs will take more time to learn the PS3 method of developing games and using the multiprocessing system. PS3 will get better games, and likely the possibility of more exclusives in the future - but it's also good because 360 won't require a totally different build, so these games will come out at the same time and the 360 will get almost the same version...

...just one that's gimped down a bit. :)

[SnakeCL]

Actually, you're incorrect.

The PS3 does AF considerably better than 360. The old CoD4 comparo shots are an excellent example.

The RSX is actually better at Pixel Shading that the Xenos as well. Xenos is better at vertex shading, but the RSX was never meant to handle that, it gets offloaded to Cell.

[Neurotoxin]

So basically the game is gonna be rubbish on the ps3, but the next game should be fine.

[beavis4play]

at one point in the article the author says the impressive looking game is on track. (not rubbish)

then says after they first showed the demo to an audience; it was met with a thunderous applause.

just read before commenting.

[Richdad]

Lucas arts had hardship to get it on PS3 right way. No matter whatever hardship they had they are going to do it right Lucas arts is one really good studio, its never gonna dissappoint PS3 user like EA did earlier.

[HarryEtTubMan]

Just like the Sony CEO said yesterday... almost al games being started from now on will use the PS3 lead SKU. Sony always wins fools. A SONY CEO SAID THAT AND WASN'T KIDDING. He said that developers understand the momentum of the PS3 and how its BARELY BEGUN.hahahahahha the 360 got NO GOOD NEWS AT GDC. Nothing but Gears 2(which evertone already knew was coming and the trailer was absolute garbage) hahahahahahahha

PS3 WILL BE THE LEAD SKU CONSOLE FROM HERE ON OUT. And recently even the few ports arent bad. Only 9 more years to go BOTS!!!!

GET USED TO IT!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

[Bill Gates]

Bro, I got booted from the "Gamer zone" for a MONTH !.....AHHAAHHAHAHAHA

I posted a comment a comment on that stupid zone instead of posting it in the COOL zone where it's more fun to comment.

Now I have it set to automatically go to the "open zone" first.

This section is fanboy heaven......AHAHHAHAHHAHHA

Whenever I see Power of BABOON waisting all his bubbles on this side, it just tells me he has been booted from the gamer zone....AHAHHAHHAHHAHA

Deal with it BABOON. This is like jail for you. In this section you need to let your "fanboy" out to stay alive.....AHHAHAHHAHHAA

[Mike134nl]

Apparantly it is easier to use the ps3 as a baseline and than apply to the xbox 360, which basicly is a choice based on complexity of the machines and thereore reducung delays,GTA anyone, and not based on which console will be more dominant.
In the end this could be bad news for microsoft if the games endup worse than the xb 360 version.
Even though I think the future for multi platform gaming will be simontaniously developing games for both console, with one engine,

[InYourMom]

360 gamers approach all future LucasArts titles with caution.

"This led to more complications and pushed the simultaneous launch of The Force Unleashed back further."

So you would of already been playing this game 360 owners if the PS3 wasn't involved. Expect more of this when Lucas dev's are fighting with the PS3 to get the game started even before they begin porting to the 360.

[heyheyhey]

you do realize that not EVERY dev struggles with the PS3 don't you?

cause if you don't then you are nothing short of being in denial and brainwashed

so to make the same assumption FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME is pretty fcuking stupid don't you think?

[Stubacca]

Why approach LucasArts titles with caution in future?

Surely the games will still contain the same great fun and sense of adventure as the Star Wars previous titles?

They'll just play and look better on my console than yours.

[SUP3R]

Haven't you realized that after a developer complains about difficulty in development the first time, they NEVER complain when they return to the console for another title and infact praise the PS3 for allowing them to be able to do more than they thought would have been possible?

HAHAHA jealous the 360 never got comments about being a technologically inventive piece of hardware? Don't worry it'll never get them.

[InYourMom]

@2.1 - You are right that not every dev struggles with the PS3. I don't believe I said every dev struggles. However, there seems to be a lot of vocal developers saying that it is and the evidence can be seen in the bad performance of many multiplatform titles.

@2.2 - I said Xbox 360 owners approach LucasArts titles with caution. Reading is comprehension

@2.3 - You might have a point that they complain the first time and don't after. Learning any piece of new tech the first time is always the hardest.
I totally disagree with your singing the praises of the 360. I have a video just for you.
GDC 2008: Platform of Choice
http://www.gametrailers.com...
You fail.

Burnout Paradise was the first cross platform failure from the PS3 and the sales have reflected that. If these dev's want to give second rate ports to the 360 then you can bet I will be not spending my money on them and will encourage all I can to not buy.

[Stubacca]

@InYourMom

Firstly, my point was why should 360 owners approach it with caution? It's still the same game. It just makes better sense for development.

Secondly, comprehension is the understanding of information. Reading is a form of aquiring the information. I read you right. I understood you right. But you didn't address my point.

Thirdly, are you a fanboy first and a gamer second?

Lastly, are you twelve?

[BrianC6234]

Xbots need fear not. It is well known that if you develop the PS3 version and port to the 360 that both versions are better for it. You see, the PS3 is so powerful that if you push it more the 360 game is better in the long run for it. That's because you end up with a much better PS3 game and that game is ported to the 360.

When porting games you should start with the more powerful console and port to the weaker console. Starting with the 360 and porting to the PS3 just isn't a good idea.

[jackdoe]

Well that is the smartest way to develop. That or use IdTech 5(probably the engine that will completely eliminate the headache of a port). Anyway, nice to know Force Unleashed is on track, but I'm a bit iffy on the game. Hopefully there is a demo.

[Ahhhh]

Same here.. A demo would be great.

[Skerj]

About time, crappy port fear officially allayed.

[Ahhhh]

@HarryEtTubMan - I am already used to it.. I just play the games that I want to play.. However, they are made I could give two sh**s about..

[pwnsause]

good. nice to see that some devs are realizing that this is the way to dev multiplatform games this generation.

[power of Green]

So what they're saying is PS3 *can't* handle what 360 can but the 360 *can* handle what the PS3 does.

As long as they don't handi-capp the games going back and adding the 360 capabilities I'm fine with it.

Now if they start on PS3 and then only match the 360 version with the PS3 version without taking advantage of the 360's strenths and calling it good" thats bad becuase the devs will no longer push the games basically gimping the game by default by starting on PS3 and only matching the 360 version and calling it good. Its actually lazyness.

[Bathyj]

Thats not what they're saying and you know it.

Geeze no wonder no one listens to you anymore when you spout trash like that.

Xbox has already gimped this whole generation for multiplat games with no HDD and last gen format. DMC and GTA spring to mind. Even Peter M complaining about no HDD. M$ didn't go next gen, they just upgraded like a PC.

[Genuine]

Your absolutely right POG. If devs start using the ps3 as the lead platform, 360 owners will be getting screwed, just like Xbox owners were last gen with the ps2. 360 owners need to make their voice loud and clear to devs "If you port to the 360 from the ps3, we are not buying your gimped game."

[Snukadaman]

sadly no matter how crappy this game looks most xbox 360 fans will still buy it...I love how some people use them using a ps3 as the lead console is a good thing...you work with the most troubling console first and foremost. poor bathyj using the "no hdd" for gimped gameplay...maybe he hasnt seen madden 08 for ps3...

[bosels11]

bathyj yep Peter Moore bailed because he was sick of lying for Microsuck - now he is saying it like it is.

[hfaze]

"Look at burnout paradise as a example of using the ps3 as the lead developer...its terrible for xbox 360 gamers."

Excuse me?

http://www.metacritic.com/s...

Burnout Paradise PS3 - 87/100 metascore
Burnout Paradise 360 - 88/100 metascore

I own Burnout Paradise, and I can say that I agree with the reviewers that it is a great game and worth the $60. Where do you get that Burnout Paradise is terrible for the 360?

@ PoG...

"Now if they start on PS3 and then only match the 360 version with the PS3 version without taking advantage of the 360's strenths and calling it good" thats bad becuase the devs will no longer push the games basically gimping the game by default by starting on PS3 and only matching the 360 version and calling it good. Its actually lazyness."

LOLROFLLMFAO!!! Bookmarking this page, and can't wait to see how you'll try to spin your way out of this statement later this year. Once the BIG PS3 exclusives start hitting like MGS4. We'll see just how gimped the PS3 really is... ;-)

[Snukadaman]

Check any other EA game where the ps3 isnt the lead console...notice the vibrant colors...somethings off on this version of burnout i know im not the only one thinking this.

[resistance100]

'ook at burnout paradise as a example of using the ps3 as the lead developer...its terrible for xbox 360 gamers."

Excuse me?

http://www.metacritic.com/s...

Burnout Paradise PS3 - 87/100 metascore
Burnout Paradise 360 - 88/100 metascore '

Now explain to me how the fu*k can use that as a fair comparason of whihc version is better. it would only work if the same reviewer reviewed both versions.

You then have the fact that many places just review one version of the game.

For example

The 360 version has scores of 95 from MS Xbox world. Now tell me they reviewed the Ps3 version as well? No thought not.

I Will say it again the only way to really get an idea of which version is better, if the same person reviews both versions.

[phonyforceslayer]

about which platform it developes for. as long as the game comes out decent. im not to bovered

[Snukadaman]

remember how they reviewed madden 08 for both consoles and gave them both the exact same score...even with all the problems.

[BrianC6234]

"Now if they start on PS3 and then only match the 360 version with the PS3 version without taking advantage of the 360's strenths and calling it good" thats bad becuase the devs will no longer push the games basically gimping the game by default by starting on PS3 and only matching the 360 version and calling it good. Its actually lazyness."

I think you're mixed up. The 360 is the inferior console. No game will be gimped if it's made for the PS3 and ported to the 360. What has been said many times though is the 360 game will end up even better than it would have been. You see, if a game is made to push the PS3 and not just ported to the PS3 it will be really good. Then that game can be ported to the 360 and since the game is even better the 360 port ends up being better than a game made for the 360. Many developers have already stated this as fact.

[Genuine]

If Lucasarts makes ps3 lead platform for any of their games, I won't be buying them. I'm not paying $60 for a gimped 360 game.

[mullet]

Gimped games? You mean like DMC4? When it was exclusive to PS3 Capcom stated the game will be 1080p and what happened? Yeah, downgrade all thanks to 360's weak hardware.

Cry on. This is great news for PS3 owners.

360 exclusives look like crap compared to PS3 exclusives. Proof? See Uncharted. Most 360 exclusives use that crappy Unreal Engine.

[power of Green]

I agree they may have a better time developing for PS3 where the game isn't more gimped than the 360 version but the game is already gimped useing PS3 as a lead useing its tech was the problem for pushing the best quality in the first place.

A multi platform game thats the same on all consoles due to not being a port of the 360 or devs useing the PS3 first as the lead doesn't mean the problem's solved all it means is the game was gimped to PS3 standards and not taking advantage of what made the 360 outperform the PS3.

[heyheyhey]

people like you are beyond help

devs make you a good game to play, yet you want to act like a 5 year old and whine about "gimped" versions and sh!t even when it's been said by the devs that this isn't true

and i have a question to ask you- explain why you think the PS3 is inferior, seriously i want to know where you get this bullshit from

is it the 2.5mb of cache over the Xenons 1mb? is it the XDR high-speed 1300mhz RAM over the GDDR3 700mhz the 360 uses? is it the 550mhz RSX over the 500mghz Xenos? is it the 8-core 3.2 ghz CPU using 2 different type of processing units to carry out specialized task with more effieciency over a tri-core out-dated CPU? is it the standard SATA HDD with higher RPM and buffer speeds?

where do you get the idea that PS3 versions have to be "gimped"

this also goes to MARTy boy and POG

why do you people keep talking through your ass?

[Genuine]

Mullet and heyheyhey both of you are on my Ignore List for being delusional Sony Underlings, so you might want to spew your anti-360 garbage to someone who's listening.

[mullet]

Genuine must be crying right now lol. You gonna PM me this time too, fairy boy? My guess is you're in your 30's living in your mom's basement jerking off to Kameo. The closest you've ever gotten to a vagina was when your mom gave birth to you. Go outside. Get a life.

[gambare]

the PS3 version always get ugly versions from the multiplat games, but now the devs are working harder to make good games for both platforms, If the 360 came a year later on difference of the PS3 the worst ports would come from the 360 side, but it was backwards, the 360 stepped back the game development because the hardware was the same as the PC architecture, the PS3 offered something more and that makes it difficult because it's something above the simple PC hardware but 360fanboys can't understand that.

[Genuine]

Welcome to my "List of Ignored Delusional Sony Underlings" Gambare.

[Bathyj]

If Mullet, Heyhey and Gambre are all on your ignore list, thats a good enough reason for me to give them all bubbles.

Return the favour if you feel like it guys, cos these two wannabe gamers who only play on one console are bound to take mine now.

[gambare]

eh? I got genuine in my ignore list long ago, so I didn't saw that :P

[SUP3R]

So you're not going to buy their games if they're using the PS3 as their lead platform?
So that means soon you're going to stop buying multi-platform games.

[BrianC6234]

"is it the 2.5mb of cache over the Xenons 1mb? is it the XDR high-speed 1300mhz RAM over the GDDR3 700mhz the 360 uses? is it the 550mhz RSX over the 500mghz Xenos? is it the 8-core 3.2 ghz CPU using 2 different type of processing units to carry out specialized task with more effieciency over a tri-core out-dated CPU? is it the standard SATA HDD with higher RPM and buffer speeds?"

Heyheyhey - You shouldn't try to reason with these dorks. They think the PS3 is inferior because it has its RAM broken into two sections so it isn't all used for video. That seems to be the problem I always read from Xbots. But the PS3 is strong in other places just like you listed. It isn't all about the amount of video memory. It's everything combined. The 360 just isn't as powerful as the PS3. It's easy to port PC games to though so you hear idiots like Gabe Newell praise it. If I care about PC games though I'll spend hundreds to upgrade my PC and play them on my PC.

[cokzilla23]

nice trend happening

[CrazzyMan]

The ps3 is owning. =]

[Sam Fisher]

wtf r u talking bout they just said they did it b/c they wont have difficulties in the near future....like um delayes....duh... jesus, does any1 read anymore or is the future all bout video ( instead of read interview. they should just put video interview 4 ppl that puts idiotic things like "The Tide is changing. =],The ps3 is owning. =]".)

[thewhoopimen]

Mr. Fisher, you should try to read between the lines. Given most of the ports last year were xbox360 as the baseline, developers choosing to switch over to the PS3 means more than just your one sided 'easier to program' or 'lowest common denominator' reasoning. No company would switch their target platform to a "dead" or "dying" console system. The market trend shows otherwise, therefore it makes sense for them to switch.

[power of Green]

Dark Space dev said it best.

They'll build the best game on 360 first then try and bring the PS3 version to snuff if it can't handle it tuff sh*t is what they basically said.

[Genuine]

Harmonix dev spells it out:
http://jbooth.blogspot.com/...

Aswell as the top unbiased 3rd party devs:
http://www.computerandvideo...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/ea...
http://www.destructoid.com/...
http://gamer.blorge.com/200...

And here is where the ps3 is now, because Sony chose to build a movie player instead of a game machine:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

[mullet]

LOL Power of Green and Genuine. The two biggest 360 fanfaggots on this website jerking each other off to their 360's because they can't get girlfriends. That "movie player" that Sony built just won the format war. Not just that, but it's simply the superior hardware. Have fun getting RROD over and over. Unreliable trash that can't even get an exclusive that look better than Uncharted even though it launched in 05. So sad lol.

[heyheyhey]

god

and you called me brainwashed once Genuine

your ridiculous- i bet you can't explain why the 360 is more powerful than the PS3

cause you don't know sh!t- you just follow crappy articles in the hope that they contain bullshit that pleases you so, and you just hang by every bullshit word without a clue about whats going on, and what they're talking about

GENUINE yeah GENUINE opinions from devs that come from credible sources state that....... ah fcuk it why bother, your already filled with to the brim with crap thats been fed down your throat- and it aint going nowhere- your going to be ignorant for the rest of your life

EDIT: you see what i mean- you cant back your points up- instead you just start acting like i care about if i am in your ignore list and start whining- which is all you people do nowadays

classic response from someone who doesn't know hwat hes talking about- just shying away, and start crying about some ignore list

jeez sorry for the anger N4G- i just hate it when people who barely know what their talking about start shooting their ignorant mouths off like some know-it-all, it just annoys me

[robbo918]

WOW you have taken the cake officially now. You were one of the ones spewing that you don't care about an Irish article talking trash about the PS3 but then link an obscure Finnish one that may or may not have been translated correctly lol.

Then you post BLOG links as if that is even remotely tied to any level of fact. Then for your final piece of trash you link something with a GDC2008 head (your final link) that is news from Septemeber 2007 saying that is where Sony is now??? Actually PS3 is outselling your X360 WW including NA now. That hack post of yours was hands down one of the worst from either side of the extreme fanboys.

[robbo918]

"an Irish article talking trash about the X360". We need to be able to edit posts a bit longer than a few minutes lol. I admit my mistakes at least.

[stuntman_mike]

you wanna see why us fellow gamers get a bad rep just print off this page and send it to fox news network.

lol this game looks good tho hope its a bit better than that episode 3 fudge they put out a while back.

[madestar]

lol f u xbox

[aggh im on fire]

Makes sense. Quicker and easier to port from Ps3 to 360 rather than the other way round. Hopefully bad ports will be a thing of the past.... we hope.

[Ri0tSquad]

No bad port!

[Salta_nelas]

Good choice. Another dev taking this aproach, good for PS3 MP games, no more crappy ports. I expect games similar to Burnout or DMC, with no issues.

[antoinetm]

And thou shall be rewarded with my respect and money.

[Darkiewonder]

Now I want to know what their next project will be. As long as they don't say IJ.

[Bill Gates]

"LucasArts prioritizing PS3"......AAAHHAHAHAHHAHH AH

[pwnsause]

and so Sony just started off with a bang this year, winning the format war, convicing devs to go PS3 platform and now where actually getting a real community gaming service soon, one that tops over XBL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[caffman]

because if they made the 360 a prioity then the PS3 version would be delayed! And Madden would start a protest!

[Rockwallaby]

known this for a while, nice to see more devs switching lead platform then everybody's happy

[DJ]

Seems to be the norm now. Looks like Sony's big initiative to make PS3 lead platform is paying off.

[Martini]

Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?

[harpua]

"Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?"

well when its dumb down for the 360 first its alot harder to port. You make a good point that they are using the better console, PS3, to develop on first.

[Martini]

Skipped the class on common sense harpua haven't you?

[wow4u]

Don't you find it interesting that you can easily port from PS3 to 360 but not the other way around ?"

well when its dumb down for the 360 first its alot harder to port. You make a good point that they are using the better console, PS3, to develop on first.

Whoa whoa whoa. Just a second.

What did you just say? That, the code is "dumbed down" for Xbox 360 *first* and that makes it harder to bring it to the "better console"?

Huh?

[harpua]

"Skipped the class on common sense harpua haven't you?"

Actually I teach that class, noticed you weren't in it....oh thats right, GED is a prerequisite....hey good luck with the test.

[mikeslemonade]

Obviously some one here lacks sense to not think PS3 will win HD generation of consoles and will have the best games. If you think other wise you must have flunked economics and math. It's okay most people in America are blind and short sighted, so you're not the only one.

[thewhoopimen]

Martini you are absolutely right. The PS3 can run the general purpose code written for the 360 but the 360 can't run the PS3 specialized code.
Most programmers probably start out with a general purpose code framework before rewriting it to utilize PS3 SPUs for example. Therefore, why not develop on the PS3 first? The PS3 can perform either one...

[mullet]

Development will start on PS3 from now on? Heh. This is great.

[Ludwig]

You guys know why are they doing this :3

[Xbox is the BEST]

the 360 can handle the Cell fine.

[Martini]

Are you trying to say the cell, can't handle the 360 ??

[wow4u]

@18.2 precisely.

The RSX needs to be propped up by heavy ($$$) optimization of code on the Cell. The Xbox 360 CPU can pump out the code, and the GPU without problem.

Why do you think every cross platform game has performed, and looked better on the Xbox 360?

Because the Developers have found that the Xbox 360 is more powerful. So, they need to use the PS3 as the baseline.

Base;
lowest part: the lowest, bottom, or supporting part or layer of something

Baseline;
standard of value: a standard of value to which other similar things are compared

Get it?

[gambare]

"Because the Developers have found that the Xbox 360 is more powerful. So, they need to use the PS3 as the baseline."

I think you got it wrong, they got a full year with the 360 hardware before the PS3, the PS3 is complex yes, but they are also watching what devs like infinity ward did and insomniac is doing, they want to gain the lost time and check what the PS3 hardware can do, because if the cell processor is not used at it's full capacity and even with that can pull games (poorly compiled) at a decent speed then they wonder what they can do with the cell at full speed, so they want to focus on the PS3 version, if they can pull more with the cell just like Insomniac and naughty dog then they will point at something.bigger

[Martini]

But but how is that possible when sony has teh Cell ??
I thought the cell would take over the world and make the 360 obsolete the day it launched and that's when the HD age starts because Kaz said so but in the mean time the 360 games just look so awesome?? How is that possible ??? Maybe,just maybe it really has something to do with the hardware - gosh this sucks..I feel like I just need a minute and dwell on this deep down inside..........

[DJ]

"I thought the cell would take over the world and make the 360 obsolete the day it launched."

Actually, Cell (and a lot of components in PS3 like RSX, FlexI/O, and XDR RAM) are custom designed and it takes a while for developers to really get a handle on it. The 360 had a one year head start in terms of development time (RSX wasn't even finalized until April 2006), so it's obvious that 360 development would initially be ahead of PS3 development. But as recent multiplatform games have shown, PS3 really is more powerful and more suited for parallel programming.

Just a quick example is Cell vs. Xenon. Cell has a 300GB/s direct bandwidth connection between all 8 CPU cores. Xenon has no bandwidth connection between its 3 CPU cores, and instead relies on 1.6 Ghz L2 Cache for random data fetching. Cell's SPU cores have on-chip memory and know exactly what's in their memory at any given time. Xenon's cores rely on L2 cache for on-chip data storage, and have no clue what's in it...ever. And missing data retrievals can cost up to 300 cycles each.

[moparful99]

Martini you sir were just OWNED... You spout off at the mouth with those smart A$$ comments without really knowing what you're talking about. Developers were having a problem with learning the cell's architecture and how to use it. An interview that I read recently with a member of crytek the people that made crysis and are making far cry 2 are praising the parrallel processing of the cell. They love the fact that they can allocate memory from the cell to perform specific tasks... Easy isnt always better, especially when the consumer demands better content....

[INehalemEXI]

Its common knowledge that those ports that lack compared to the 360 version was due to the fact it takes time for devs to learn to code for PS3, since its chipset is not traditional(Its new-tech).

PhyreEngine is supposed to help developers in the future as well.

[mikeslemonade]

This is just the science of conventional hardware vs custom hardware. 360 is conventional hardware so developers figured the system out real fast and a good example is Gears is still the best looking xbox 360 game even though that came out like 15 months ago. PS3 will grow like the PS2. Look at God of War 2 that game looks better than any xbox game because if you develop a game that takes full advantage of the custom hardware that game will be better than a rival conventional system.

[Richdad]

GOW 2 do looks good but not enough to beat best looking xbox 1 titles like SC:CT, chornicle of riddick and NG and NGB it is a great game and maybe regarded as equivalent in graphics to these titles but not better by any account (I have palyed all of them so dont comment fanboys)
And 360 has some flexiblity over xbox you can use processor to simulate physics in 360. Bioshock uses this feature.

[BlaST_ProCesSiNG-]

Are U serious? GOW2 certainly is the best looking game 4 the PS2 but it doesn't look better than Splinter Cell v.1. Ahh the Glory Days of XBOX v.1. Ur kinda right though about the conventional v. custom hardware.

[power of Green]

Working on the lowest common denominator first will solve the problem from your point of view WTF are you so angry about?, its not you that will notice the quality shift its not you thats getting shafted. lol

[cmrbe]

the x360 is the lowest common denominator last year when it was the lead platform for most developers?. Think before you speak.

[Martini]

Yeah that's why the games were running like crap - think before YOU speak :)

[cmrbe]

because the x360 is the lowest denominator?.

[Snukadaman]

As usual you come in with the dumb azz comments ....the xbox was the lead console because it was out before the ps3....now that the problems with the ps3 are evident it becomes the lead console...sony even gave the new development kits at last years GDC..remember?

[Jdash24]

or they could be doing the hard stuff first so the rest is easy, so theres no stress about having difficulties later.

Not trying to disagree or anything, just seeing it from both sides

[ps4]

its good lol
it is

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[TwissT]

It would be nice if LucasArts were gonna use the new Phyre-engine that Sony developed to even make developing for the ps3 even easier.

[kalistyles]

of you XBOX idiots had any idea what so ever, the only reason they can't port the game over properly to the PS3 is because of the different set up in architecture. While the developers can use the 7 spu's of the PS3 and set up different phases of the game to the different spu's it's is a much easier transition to the common setup of the PC or XBOX. This is why most if not all the developers from here on out will start with the PS3 first and not the XBOX so they can get pretty much the same output and quality out of each. It's not that the PS3 can't handle it, that's just nonsense, actually the PS3 is a far superior machine than the XBOX, be it more complex also, but if done correctly, (aka. Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, etc.) you can easily see the superior work. Granted it is from a Sony studio, which you will always see a superior game compared to a 3rd party studio. they can just focus on 1 console only. Now the 3rd party studios could develop a different game and probably a better looking one for the PS3 but look at all the money they would have to spend for a seperate group specified for each company. So hope to see great games from now on for the PS3 and XBOX of equal quality but even better quality from exclusive studios for Sony.

[00]

but it is funny seeing fanboys go at it.

[SUP3R]

Makes complete sense, but the fanatics won't understand the truth because they refuse to.
So now that the PS3 will be the primary platform for development, their world is DOOOMBEDZZ!!!!!

[caffman]

Did you say something?

[SSCOOLCHEA]

One big happy family

[Sevir04]

good. prioritizing will come about well for PS3.. this being said Game will soon start to pull ahead on the PS3 because they'll start to unlock more of it's untapped power..

In the words of the Street Sharks "JAWSOME!!!!"

[Skerj]

LMFAO@quoting the Street Sharks, you sir win at all.

[Meus Renaissance]

This way it's good for everybody. I honestly can't see why one group would boast over another because of this.

[Martini]

Lets just try to apply some logic and common sense here for a minute.

If you can port from PS3 to 360 no problem but it's much more difficult to port from 360 to PS3 what does that tell you ????

I don't need to be a rocket scientist or a computer programmer to figure this out just like developers are starting to figure it out.

You make a game for the lowest common denominator (PS3) first and then port it to the platform that can handle it no problem (360).

Psfanboys crack me up when they get all excited because they hear some developer spent extra time "optimizing" a game for the PS3 - TRANSLATION - it did not run worth a shiat and they had to spend extra time to work around the memory limitations and other bottlenecks that the ps3 has.

Face it 360 > PS3

[Xbox is the BEST]

Sony Swallowers will never accept this. From now 360 owners will be getting gimped 3rd party games thanks to the Delaystation 3. F*cking inferior piece of sh1t

The RSX's limitations + the CELL's complications is killing the PS3 and holding back Xbox 360 development

[DJ]

is because it's easier to scale down content (polygon counts, texture resolution, sound, etc.) rather than scale up (which requires generating new data). 360 titles also run poorly on the PS3 because the 360 creates redundant sets of data within its unified memory pool, and requires more steps than the PS3. On top of that, porting Xenon CPU code (which has 3 powerpc cores) to Cell (which has one PowerPC core) means that one core in Cell is being pushed to its limits while the other 6 are standing by and yawning.

PS3 is significantly more powerful, but requires a more hands-on approach and some clever thinking. For example, there's a 300GB/s bandwidth line connecting all 8 cores on Cell (one used for the OS), but you need to figure out how to optimally use that bandwidth, especially since it operates best when sending data chunks that are a certain KB size.

[Martini]

You know why DJ cals himself a "DJ" around here ?
Thats because he likes to spin ! :)

Nice try though...

[Martini]

The facts (games) are not supporting your theories.

[SUP3R]

Because you're a game developer?

Martini I hardly believe your underdeveloped brain can identify and comprehend logical thinking, your comments clearly state it doesn't.

[games4fun]

by your thinking i
guess the ps2 was better than the original xbox? because you know the xbox1 had to be very weak console compared to the graphic might of the ps2 because xbox1 was the "lowest denominator" when they would devolop games for it first right?

or are you just wearing fanboy glasses in fanboy land and crying like a baby?

[robbo918]

You asked to apply it Martini but then failed to do so.

System A is more complex
System B is less complex

If I make a game for System A then port to System B it should LOGICALLY be easy.

If I make a game for System B then port to System A it should LOGICALLY be hard.

Using logic again you are forgetting the very important UNKNOWN VARIABLE which is represented by the developers. Some are more familiar with one system over the other and thus their opinions are skewed (this is not attacking either system, its about both). Some developers are simply better on one system and others are better on the other.

The real issue here is that the systems are just very different. Its hard to port from one to the other for the most part because they are not the same system, they work differently. Its not always about which is better, its just that they are truly different machines.

Going from MORE complex to LESS complex=easier
Going from LESS complex to MORE complex=harder

[Sony sucks balls]

Lets just try to apply some logic and common sense here for a minute. Xbox 360 has better games so it is the superior console. Problem solved now everyone can get along.

[resistance100]

Im sorry explain to me then if the 360 is the more powerful, how come the 360 hasn't realeased a game as techniely brillient as the likes of Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted: Drakes Fortune?

It extremely clear that the ps3 is more powerful and you seem to be dumb enough to actually think that the artechiture is the same on both consoles. If it was and the ps3 version struggled then you might have a point, but you don't

PS3 works simply has one merged unit the RSX and Cell are both used for graphic calculations to begin with, compared with the just the GPU used in the 360. Now this does create an imeadiate problem to begin with, because they can't just copy the calucuations onto the RSX as it doesn't work like that. Until Dev's master this combination there will be the dodgey ports. However this is changing now that they have had experience developing for the PS3.

Now run out an do some reserch before you make comments like that. If anything you should be comparing first gen Ps3 games to first gen 360 games. But i guess you don't because it doesn't give you the answer you want to see. Instead you compare 2/3rd gen 360 games with 1st gen ps3 games. Despite the fact the dev's would have more experience with the 360.

Now Wait to the end of this year and say that

[pwnsause]

jeez a lot of angry xbox fanboys here, lol someone bring the fire extinguisher before they get an RROD.

[Martini]

That's actually pretty funny :):)

[Xbox is the BEST]

"Worse still, the 360-optimized early version of the game "didn't translate well" when ported onto the PS3, given the differences between the hardware architecture of the two consoles and the complexity of PS3 development. This led to more complications and pushed the simultaneous launch of The Force Unleashed back further."

PS#3 should make 360 look like Xbox 1.5 launch day. What happened?

[DaDarkKnight]

Man the reason why they are developing on the ps3 first is because its the most powerful out the two. How can you port from a 4 core system to an 8 core system and have everything go easy. Like one of my boyz said you never program a multiplatform game from the bottom up you program from the top down. The reason is that you never tap the power of a system that is stronger. Its like designing a four cylinder engine in mid size car and placing the same engine in a car designed for a 8 cylinder. Yet you people always twist facts to fit your needs.

[resistance100]

@ DaDarkKnight

Couldn't have put it better myself. bubbles

[wow4u]

It is just a laugh riot that people are thinking this bodes well for PS3.

Its the opposite. What it is saying is that they are going to write code on the PS3 becuase they *KNOW* it will perform on the Xbox 360.

If you develop on the Xbox 360, you have to burn time and money to optimize the code just to get it to run on the PS3.

Multi-platform games are being held back by Sony's poor design.

[chaosatom333]

talk to me after 1 year. they are not using the ps3, it is good at or even know the ps3 at all.

[thewhoopimen]

Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. Why not develop for the Wii first then? It's got the largest base and the code that would run on either the PS3 or xbox360. Trust me, it's much easier to downgrade code, textures/graphics then it is to upgrade it. The PS3 has more potential than the xbox360 or Wii in the long term. Hence the decision.

[Rice]

Lets see what they can do...

[Dann7978]

Smart way lucas, First build it to us. Then port it to gaybox ,Every multiplat developer should think of this.

[caffman]

surely you are getting confused with the Gaystation 3

[Xbox is the BEST]

did brainwash these kids. The proof is right in their faces and they're in denial. HA HA HA HA HA
Play B3hind and now 360 owners will be joining you Swallowers. This Sucks

[wow4u]

The summary, and the comments in here are Funny.

"In recent months, the PlayStation 3 versions of many multiplatform games have been released after their Xbox 360 counterparts--or canceled outright. Others, like Grand Theft Auto IV, have seen both versions delayed because, having optimized the game first on the 360, the developers encountered difficulties with the PS3 edition. "

That should tell all you CELL & RSX mouthbreathers something very clear.

That Developers have given up trying to get equal performance from the PS3. So, as a result, games are going to be gimped to the PS3.

[Engineer]

Wow, man. Calm down.

It tells me that working from that side and optimizing the 360 code makes the game hard to port to the ps3. Whereas the other way around doesn't, I do believe Burnout suffers worse framerate issues on the 360 version no?

It's been this way everytime something new comes out, it's a learning curve.. we've all dealt with one some way or another.

[games4fun]

so i
guess the ps2 was better than the original xbox? because you know the xbox1 had to be very weak console compared to the graphic might of the ps2 because xbox1 was the "lowest denominator" when they would devolop games for it first right?

or are you just wearing fanboy glasses in fanboy land and crying like a baby?

[jiinn]

What do you know man? If they "lead" on the PS3 that means they prefer it, and it is better!

What r u talkin about. The RSX is better than any gpu you can buy in any Windows PC even still today!

[ikiru3385]

so explain to me how the 360 versions of these games will be gimped? when it comes to creating games, developers should have no favoritism over any console version of a game. if they all run/play well with each respective console version, then it should be gravy, no? if it means making ps3 the lead platform so that ALL versions will run well then so be it.

[InYourMom]

Burnout Paradise

[hfaze]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

http://www.metacritic.com/s...

What exactly was wrong with Burnout Paradise? The professional game reviewers that you Xbox fanboys have been quoting like gospel all last year seem to disagree with your statement.

[Rhezin]

too bad not every developer is going to think of this, 360 has just a to big of an install base, and overall more popularity. Ps3 is just junk, like all their loud-mouthed owners.

[hfaze]

LOL... Yep, the PS3 really does suck... It's only pulling off graphics and gameplay in its first year that it took the 360 two years of active development to get to.

Compare PS3 launch titles to 360 launch titles, and it just proves my point. Perfect Dark Zero was PRIMITIVE compared to Resistance.

Just go away and play some Halo or something...

True gamers enjoy all of the consoles for their respective strengths.

[Engineer]

I'd love to know how many of the people on here can actual program. It seems people are taking an odd stance on this whole "my console is more powerful" point.

From what I've picked up from developers the Ps3 is more powerful, it just takes a whole new concept (parallel programming) to make it so. So it does make common sense to use the console with the new architecture and then backport it to a system you've always known how to use, eliminating any chance that you've used some old technique that has been phased out in the new-fangled console.

[ikiru3385]

Thank you , engineer. bubbles for you. my point exactly.

the cell is more complicated so whatever they are doing now ain't working, so why not fix it? in the end, all they want is for the games between the consoles to be as optimal in console performance as possible.

[GIJeff]

a lot.

[Engineer]

As do I GIJeff, but mostly GPS receiver programs and least squares adjustments. Can't say I know too much about optimizing for a certain system other than a GPS handheld :P.

I'd just like to know which people here I can actually listen to.

[paracardium]

360 is complete garbage and brainwashed xbots defend it even when they're on their 4th 1 the tards.

[TheXgamerLive]

Sad sony wannabe fan boy, sad.

[madestar]

they build on ps3 first so they can use the god like powers of the ps3 and do whatever they feel like they should be doing. so when it does transfer to the 360 it will be dumbed down so it can run. it's a win/win situation. it makes no sense making an already dumb down game and putting on a god like system like ps3. what's the point of that.

let me put it this way for all you bill gate lovers.

ps3 = god
xbox 360 = worms

god made worms
worms didn't make god

so it doens't make sense if the worms had god powers. it's too much for them to handle

[SUP3R]

LOL
Great comparison, it made complete sense.

[HuntTheWumpus]

that has to rank up with one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on N4G. Congratulations bro! You represent your fellow platform owners very well.

[stuntman_mike]

absolutley hilarious madestar! lol bubbles

[The Fungus]

First off let me say that graphics DO NOT make the game.

Why do people REALLY believe the 360 is more powerful? What proof is there that, at maximum capacity, the 360 wins? I'm not talking about mult-plat titles, I'm talking about all-or-nothing exclusives.

Uncharted is graphically the best game out right now(on consoles), hands down. There are amazing looking games on the 360 too, but not QUITE as good looking as some of the ps3's.

The new UE3 tech demo showed high-density crowds on the 360. As new tech for the 360(I know UE3 is multi-plat) its impressive, but it used cluster A.I. and some of them kept getting stuck on the car. Heavenly sword debuted on the ps3 in 2007 and had over 1000 people on the screen, and each would think on their own(or in cluster if they were REALLY far away, theres no point then). High density crowds is old news for ps3/multi console owners, nothing special.

Nothing really shows that the 360 is better. If anything, games show that the ps3 has more through-the-roof potential, it's just difficult to 'harvest'.

It just happens to be a lot easier to port code from ps3 to 360. Right now, the multi-plat games look about even. What would happen if they tried to port Uncharted to 360? We can't be sure if its even possible,as nothing on the 360 looks that good right now, and I'm guessing they would have to cut back on a few areas that the cell allowed them to access.

In the end it doesn't matter. Games are games, and they are played, not lived. It doesn't matter if one has slightly better textures or lighting. The only thing that matters is how they play. THAT is the reason for using the ps3 as the main console in development.

[jiinn]

"Nothing really shows that the 360 is better. If anything, games show that the ps3 has more through-the-roof potential, it's just difficult to 'harvest'."

4 sure! When all those PS3 versions were clipping, and the textures looked bad, i said "they need to harvest the CELL"! MF!

And, like with the COD4 patch - those goofs need to get some CELL on there an make it better, cause we all know dat the Cell is super powered.

The CELL makes it faster, so fast that teh Xbox 360 has cant be prioritized anymore.

[The Fungus]

You're right. The CELL sucks. Nothing about it is special at all. The fact that devs say its great-doesn't matter. The fact that scientists say its great-doesn't matter. The fact that fanboys think it sucks-must mean it sucks.

I don't see why people like you get so offended that I(amongst other people) think the cell is a great piece of technology. In GT5 they can do ray-tracing real time BECAUSE of the CELL. It has been said that the ps3's graphics processor is nothing out of the ordinary. Fine, I can believe that, because The CELL also does graphics processing. If the ps3 had a weaker GPU than the 360 AND the CELL really sucked for gaming, how come its exclusive games look better than the 360's? In fact, if both the cpu and gpu were worse than the 360s-100% definitively, then ps3 games would have to actually look worse. That is NOT the case.

Uncharted vs Gears-Uncharted
GT5 vs Forza-GT5
Halo 3 vs Killzone 2-KZ2
Other exclusives I'm sure.

You name it. Exclusive games just look better on the ps3 and I'm not afraid to admit it. THen again, why would I be? The 360 is a great piece of hardware, and the multi-plat games look just as good as the ps3 version if not better in the case of older games. It is easy to develop for, has a HUGE library, and a great online community.

[TheExodus]

You need 8 Cell processors to ray-trace a 720P scene at 30 FPS ( http://eric_rollins.home.mi... ) so to have PS3 games running at 60 FPS something obviously isn't being done & that would be ray-tracing.

[Sevir04]

They have gotten their game to do ray tracing on the pinacle of resolutions for todays TVs... If a dev could pull that off i'd believe them over you.

[thewhoopimen]

Your argument makes sense if the PS3 only had the cell processor itself. The fact is that the PS3 also has a GPU that can offload some of the workload. Hence, I don't see any reason why Polyphony can't raytrace their car models.

[Engineer]

@Exodus...

He states in his paper how they could have done it.

"Fortunately spatial indexing structures such as k-d trees can be used to greatly reduce the number of intersection tests needed."

Then he goes on to say:

"I have not implemented any type of spatial indexing structure, so each ray is intersected with all the objects."

Thanks for the article though, that was a very neat read. Any more specific info on programming with the cell?

[fopums]

I didnt realize there were so many enlightened game developers that visited this site.....

Good going Lucas art's, hopefully the trend continues.

[ElementX]

But when will the next game be developed? Next year? Doesn't matter, I own both consoles.

[Figboy]

the guys at Valve are just looking pettier and pettier these days...

on topic:

the Force Unleashed just moved up a few pegs on my list thanks to this. i'm sick of sh*tty ports and developers copping out because of the challenge of developing for the PS3.

[THWIP]

Their decision to use the PS3 as the base platform is for FUTURE titles...the 360 is the lead for SW:TFU.

[jiinn]

" i'm sick of sh*tty ports and developers copping out because of the challenge of developing for the PS3"

Me too. I dont care what developers think, if the Xbox 360 is easier and more powerful (whatevers!!1) then they can just goto heck!

I want them to use the PS3 as the priority!

[madestar]

ps3 is powered by god. so that means i have god powers running on my hdtv

[caffman]

I hope its powered by ELECTRICITY or else you will have a lovely black screen in your house

[madestar]

what if god was one of us.. like a slave like one of us.. trying to find his way homeeee... and found his way into ps33333333333

[THWIP]

No matter which way a dev pics, the 360 is the easiest platform to dev for. More and more devs are just realizing it's easier to start on the PS3, than the 360, because the conversion tools are far superior for the 360.

In short, this is just one more game that the PS3 hardware caused a major delay for; hopefully this trend is coming to an end.

[sniddles]

I can haul my boat just fine with my truck, but when i try to haul it with my car, it won't go up hills. So, in order to tow my boat with my car first, i have to take out some weight from it (engine, seats), so that my car can tow it. But, my truck still hauls it just fine.

This must mean my car (PS3, for some of you class acts) is the better, more powerful machine...

[robbo918]

Your logic can also be used against you.

PS3 is the truck and hauls the boat just fine. X360 is the car and in order to allow it to tow the same boat that PS3 did they have to change a few things, remove some things from the boat, then it will pull it just fine.

The difference is mine matches what actual game developers are saying, that the PS3 is more powerful. Yes some say that about X360. Overall most developers are biased towards the system they prefer.

The overall logic that makes more sense in the big picture is that the two systems are different enough from each other that straight ports are not going to work, each games has to be worked to the system.

[sniddles]

you can't be serious, read it again...

you are taking what they are saying, and BELIEVING THE OPPOSITE TO BE TRUE... whaaa???

They are saying that it's easier to take from the PS3 to the 360. That the 360 can handle what the PS3 does, but the PS3 can't handle what the 360 does without much tender care and caressing.

You're not even thinking right. Just because devs say its more powerful would contradict everyone's real world experience to this point in time. They are not saying the 360 is having any trouble towing any boats, but they are saying they are having "difficulties", with "towing boats" with the PS3....

So maybe the car has 300 horsepower and the truck has 250, but the truck still tows it better.
So no, the 360 would be the truck... And i can't talk about cars and trucks anymore, lol.

Also, look up what a baseline is. It is a starting point, to which things are added. A control or lowest common denominator.

[ErcsYou]

Bad analogy, especially if your truck is a S10 and your car is a Echo, i bet my Hemi sedan could tow a boat better than your truck...

Edit: What ever, . What ever helps you sleep at night.. stick to the cars because you obviously know jack about programming. Check out comment 10

oh and by the way, My Hemi is super charged and i know how to use a transmission ..your truck might get a jump on me but ill beat you up the hill

[sniddles]

there's more to towing a boat than just horsepower,

Actually, torque and gear ratios are what make it possible, so no, your hemi sedan would tow a boat for sh*t. Gear ratios in a car are way too high to tow anything. What's the tow rating on your sedan? My truck is 7500.

This is funny.

Basically, the article didn't say anything about anyone having "difficulties" with running the game on the 360, but they did say it about the PS3. So spin it how you want. There's more to it than raw horsepower (which i'm not saying the PS3 doesn't have), It's how usable it is that matters, you can't put it on the road, it doesn't matter...

[robbo918]

I also still believe that if I make something on a more complex system first (PS3) then by LOGIC it would be a lot easier to put it on the less complex system (X360). If I make a game for the lesser complex system then port to the more complex system I have to almost start from scratch, its not just about "adding" things its about changing the way it does things. This would take more time than if I had just started from the complex system first which would make little business sense if my goal was to release on both systems.

Complex in my above statement is neutral in this dear fan war we have, it merely means complex not better. I know what baseline is, but wow thanks for your big help there genius.

[jiinn]

@9.3

Exactly. *MY* car is a V8, and I put a supercharger and an NOS in it myself. Its so much faster than an S10.

[Salta_nelas]

I honestly laugh when i see people who truly believe the 360 is a superior hardware than the PS3, they obviously dont know anything about them besides the RROD, i guess.

[eagle21]

You thought it was the system, but it was the developer, but usually the 360's lack of unity for porting. Who wins? The system that mostly every gamer will be happy with if the games start here then ported: Playstation 3. Or the system where millions will be pissed if started there then ported: the 360. You choose. Everyone should support this. Heavy Rain developers sure love PS3 and Konami, Rockstar and Square do too. Keep dreaming if you think every developer won't be following suit this year and beyond. Playstation 3 will benefit all gamers regardless of system. Well, if the game is non exclusive..lol

[BWS1982]

try this analogy (not meant to flamebait or start anything, but to put into perspective, I'm a gamer, not a fanboy)

Developer A made Action Game first on the Nintendo DS, then ported it over to the PS3 after it was done. Consumers hated it because the PS3 version looked horrid.

Developer B made Action Game 2 the sequel on the PS3 first, and ported it then to the DS, both games looked amazing for their correlating capabilities.

Seem to make sense? Complexity conquered, it's easy to go to simplification.

(not saying the 360 is like a DS compared to the PS3, I'm putting a spin on this to demonstrate)

[eagle21]

Those no good developers were lazy, and now every game ported starts here baby...It's a win/win. Start on PS3, everyone's happy (regardless of system). Sounds like the leader to me..lol

[ErcsYou]

Some of you people are either straight up retarded or you really think that your so called logic is up to par with a "real programmer"...

what is easier?
Writing code in sections for the SPU's and then combing them for the 360's GPU or writing a huge chunk of code and then later try to break it apart in to different sections and pray to god it still works?

As for system strengths, just think about the early PS3 games.. They where keeping up with 360 games without even touching the SPU's... plus we still have a good 3-4 years left for these 2 systems to prove who is better. ... who would you put your money on?

[tweaker]

It is much better and faster to work first on multiple SPU's then converting the code to work on a unified architecture.

[ErcsYou]

agreed...Much faster and less stressful..
wus up? you listen to Heiro?

[tweaker]

hell yeah. my fav rap artists. Del

[longduckdong]

because PS3 will be around another 5-7 years while the 360 will be replaced next Xmas

[GETPWNED]

stupid f*cking n00bs. It's clear they ran into some issues with the PS3rd version keeping-up with the 360 version, so they decided to just make it for PS3 first, to find a baseline for limitations, cuz they obviously know 360 can handle whatever the PS3 can. Duh. stupid fanboys.

[eagle21]

save your noobness for a site that cares...But wait? Where will you go? There seems to be a growing movement all around the web that you know you can't escape..lol You disagreed with me only because your nervous. And if you think the 360 can handle all PS3 games, you live under a lonely rock.

[Trinity_Marc_Blu]

Yeah......you sound dumb (again)...

[slymaddox]

Easier to downgrade a game when almost complete than try to upgrade it. PS3 will have the best and then they will just dull down everything else to work on the 360 and Wii.

[eagle21]

Just look at how often PC's have to be upgraded for thousands to run a technical marvel game. I am not saying 360 is inferior, it just reaches obvious limits (due to numerous factors) that PS3 can break.

[ikiru3385]

haha i got disagrees because i stated that i don't favor one console version running better than another? wow...

[ROCCOZILLA]

come over to the dark side,and PLAY B3YOND!

[FirstknighT]

The 360 can handle any ps3 port with ease but the ps3 has a hard problem handling the 360 ports. This way both parties are happy.

[SEAN1617]

LOL, Sorry i have both ps3 and 360, but you guys(people like 1st knight) make me sick your all just a bunch of blind FANBOYS. sorry no matter how you put it, a game developed on any platform 1st is better then its port, ITS A FACT, all multi platform games are going to be made in a way that they can sell on either platform, So they will never really utilize the systems whole performance like 1st party titles do. so honestly stop ur stupid arguments.

[FirstknighT]

"sorry no matter how you put it, a game developed on any platform 1st is better then its port, ITS A FACT,"

The 360 version of Virtua Fighter 5 says hi :)

[BlaST_ProCesSiNG-]

the ps3 version of Oblivion says "hi" back :)

[MrBubbles]

amazing that the fanboys have manged to turn this into another "lolz sony sux" argument. if its that crap, why have they said they will use it in the future as the lead development tool?

[jorellpogi]

I'm an analyst programmer and I can say that we always code the hardest and most complex programs first before the easy ones. Because the easy ones are already considered as good as done. It's a common practice to do it that way.

[Sheddi]

now its a win/win situation for all of us.
yaaaay

[nsky171]

I don't do any real programing but I have done my share of encoding and convering video files and pictures. Which I'm sure most of you on the net have done something similar before. If not then you must had atleast taken a picture with a digital camera.

Just like a digital photo, you would logically want to take Pictures at the highest posisble setting. Why?, because if you ever want to make them smaller, you can easily do that, and the pictures will still look great. But if you were to take the pictures at a lower setting and you want to make them higher/bigger, it will not look good unless you do lots of editing.

Pic 7m to 5m to 3m to tiny pic, all of them will look great.
Pic 3m to 5m to 7m, will look bad in 5m (with good editing it will look ok) but it will look like crap at 7m.

The same with video files. If you have a HD source you can easily convert it to any other video file with a lower resolution and it will still look great. But if you want to upcale normal videos to HD quality it take much more work and the quality will only be ok at best.

When developers choose PS3 as their Lead Platform for multi platform games it for sure means easier to port. which normally also means stronger of the 2. It's always easier to downgrade/remove than to upgrade/add.

[Fox01]

... most of you guys shouldn't be posting in "gamer zone"

prioritise any hardware you want i really don't care as far as i get to play the game

[Daz]

Fanboys.

Do you ever think there using the ps3 first to make a better game for ps3 and 360 owners with no crap port?

[ar]

Get over to the open zone.
Could we get some moderators in here?

[THE TERMINATOR]

All Xtwats should read this;

http://www.psu.com/PS3-vers...

[resonate]

cool.

[ReBurn]

I just want the game to come out.

[kosha]

if both games end up the same as a result of prioritizing for ps3 then go for it

[ScottEFresh]

I think LucasArts knows what they are doing. Leave them alone and accept the fact the PS3 is taking over your world. Sorry Xbox lovers...your time is running out. But buu buut GeARs 2!1!!1!!

[Mwaan]

I think we should be grateful that both systems can handle a port from the other.

[SEAN1617]

you still make me sick

[Intrepid]

What's wrong with you people?

The game will be cool on any systems. Relax.

[wowsauce]

This announcement isn't an admission of PS3 being more powerful, it's an admission that PS3 is harder to program for. If anything, there'll just be fewer games with ports that don't perform as well.

Anyone who thinks this means the PS3 versions will be better than the 360 versions is fooling themselves. The PS3 version will be better compared to what it would have been, but it's more likely the games will just perform more evenly on both consoles.

Exclusives will still perform amazingly on both.

[zapass]

another slap in yer xbaboon face, genuRine, POOg and the fellowship of the Red Ring Of Death. it's still time to join the Jedi forces of Ps3 while the 2008 Redemptathon is still open. But it won't be forever...

[BattleAxe]

You can see the momentum shifting to the PS3. The 360 has one more good exclusive game comming out(Gears) before it packs it in.

[Salvadore]

Finally, Down with Crappy Ports!!!

[ephoenix6]

suddenly, I have interest in Lucas Arts.

[incogneato]

I know people won't like this comment but I wish they would just focus on the PS3 completely. It has huge disc space, free and open online community, a hard-drive by default, etc. Imagine how big or how pretty games would be, or what awesome HD movies they could include, mod communities, and more, if they weren't limited by the 360.

[cmrbe]

and this thread had only 56 comments. Today 200 plus. I didn't think this was a big deal but man some x360 fans are pretty angry. Sony a couple of months ago said they are working on helping 3 parties and it seems to work.

I am not a dev and not a tech geek like some of you but i really do wonder why they are prioritizing the dev on PS3 first and x360 later.Unlike some of you my gut feeling is that they are doing this because they know PS3 will be the dominant console again this gen.

[devilhunterx]

Take an image. Shrink it. You will retain all the quality.

Now take an another image. Blow it up. What will happen?

Same with game consoles. You can port down, not up. So thats why PS3 is being made the LEAD console.

[jinn]

STARS WARS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sonyfanonly]

see all the dev. are going to start on ps3 first then port over to 360 the tides have turned cant you all see this ps3 = best

[stuntman_mike]

this story is the empire strikes back of gaming wars. lol

[xunderx]

Now multi plat games will begin with ps3, but then have to be dumbed down for the xbox console. Xbox is a good console but dvd9 can only take u so far......

Just imagine everyone, what COD4(great game ofcoarse) could of been, fully using blu-ray capacity.......

Longer game? better graphix? ,,,,,,,,,,,oh yeah

But IW did a great job,,,,profited greatly from both ends of the spectrum, hats off to ya.....

insomniac--------the truth shale set us free....to all programmers watch and learn,,,,,and get off of unreal engine3 nuts.....grow ur own!

[tk]

The way the PS3 needs to be coded for, makes the XB360 benefit as well. XB360 fans should be glad... the PS3 is causing XB360 to have better games than if it was coded for the XB360 to start off with.

[Superiorrior]

This is correct, everyone benefits from PS3 Lead platform games, see the way it used to happen, is that we got horrible absolutely horribly ports from Xbox, who then the developers kinda just loaded up code on the bd, instead of applying to directly to the architecture, this way it's equal for everybody, I mean look how awesome Burnout Paradise came out, same with The Darkness (although it did actually look better on the PS3).

The PS3 is just more complex, no console is lowest denominator just because of coding, if anything Xbox is the lowest just for putting in faulty hardware, as well as forgetting WiFi (isn't it a slap in the face that even the Wii put in WiFi? same with internet browsing?), using any kind of BD headset, Bluetooth, theres a ton of a stuff I don't feel like getting into.

[socalr6]

That's easy. Unless a multi is alot better on the 360 I getting it for my PS3. Ever since "disk read error's with a brand new copy of COD4 for the 360. It's also sooo damm LOUD!!!. I would rather purchase for PS3 and knot have to worry about being stuck with a game that constantly freezes due to "disk read error" and the NOISE. 360 now is relegated to dust collector and PS3 doing the heavy lifting with COD4.