N4G is a Cesspool

Admin note: I have censored the inappropriate language and reapproved this submission. Please note that bad language usage applies to all forms of written communication on N4G. Thank you, Christopher

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I have thought this for sometime. I have been visiting this site for several years now, and the comments sections of articles have just gotten worse and worse. This is abundantly clear when you wade knee-deep into the excrement that is an article about the Battlefield V faux controversy over women in a World War II shooter.

People claiming "DICE is shoving an SJW agenda down our throats", and you WILL read some variation of that comment, have become way too prevalent. They push that narrative as if they know that it is fact, when in actuality, they have no idea what they are talking about.
Highly inappropriate comments that drip with ignorant sexism have become rampant. You will get the occasional user that wants to try and discuss things logically, but the majority of the time, they are met with replies of "LOL SJW BS don't belong in muh garmz!!!1!!1!!! Get out of her you *******!"

It is absolutely sickening. If moderators do exist on this site for the comment sections, they either aren't doing their job well, or their aren't enough of them.

The content approval system needs to change as well. I like the fact that articles that site anonymous sources to report on rumors aren't allowable. That at least presents some semblance of integrity. However, that is far outweighed by the articles that get approved that are obvious flamebait, clickbait, or are extremely poorly written.

N4G has the potential to be a really good video games news site, but if it ever wants to reach that potential, then the current approach to the site needs to change.

[Kumakai]

Agreed. People care more about their opinions, brands and trolling than gaming.

[Parasyte]

Absolutely. This whole deal with BF5 has made me realize how much I despise the majority of the gaming community.

[thekhurg]

Maybe people don't want to play as female characters in video games as much as you do? I never play as one when I have the opportunity to choose - and there are other games that I've chosen not to play because of who the main character is.

[deckardreplicant]

See the downvotes and you can already judge how bad the overall community and presence is

[81BX]

@thekurg
That's fine because I prefer not to as well. He's referring to the ignorant approach to stating that

[3-4-5]

Yea BF5 looks awesome to me and a ton of fun. I don't get the backlash and it can only be the Star Wars Super Nerds who are made about Battlefront 2 and lootboxes trying to continue that crusade into BF5.

Stay out of my game if you don't like it......go complain elswhere.

don't like it...don't buy it.....but also don't talk about it either.

Some people are only 100% negative and it's just annoying and exhausting to be around.

Nobody likes being around a whiner and complainer and that includes online as well.

Enjoy the game for what it is as we don't have many like it.

How many other FPS games do we get that are 64 players and of high quality and fun to play? Not many.

All the people complaining about women in the game are those who don't have many close female relationships and probably haven't been with a women in a long time.

[Menech]

I agree with some of your sentiment, but can't shake the fact that this seems like a veiled attempt to virtue signal. The BF5 "controversy" is a complex issue that isn't black or white in any sense, you don't have the right answer & neither do the people you despise.

WW2 is a sensitive subject, millions of people lost their lives for Christ sake. To claim that the only reason someone can have a problem with women with cyberpunk arms saving people in a WW2 setting.... It because they're a sexist is beyond shallow & downright ignorant.

Women played a very important role in WW2, an yes in some minor situations they even headed to front-line combat when forced to by Stalin on threat of worse than death. Hell I'm sure some even went out of patriotic duty.

An yes this is a game, it isn't bound by real life rules & history. An hell I prefer women in my video games. But to claim that the only reason you'd have a problem with a British women with a cyberpunk arm being shown as the hero of WW2... Is because you're a sexist. It's an insult to your intelligence & mine.

[OB1Biker]

'how much I despise the majority of the gaming community.'
I think your getting carried away here, somehow in the same way most people can get carried away into hate.
This is the internet and not representative of the gaming community. You know the internet give a chance for a minority of loud jerks to be making an impact.
I totally agree with the blog and in particular with the last part which I feel should be our main concern. The content needs to improve. Just an example the other day I was saying a very interesting video about Days Gone was ignored in approval for a long time while stupid clickbaits were coming through in minutes. fact is people don't seem to understand their outrage is being manipulated into rewarding articles prompting this outrage and it s N4G fault for pushing this
Gamingbolt is also an example of how uninteresting articles get to be N4G bread and butter

[UltraNova]

Its called Free Speech, if you don't like the way things happen around here you can always go elsewhere...

[Skull521]

When the developers use words like “inclusive” and “diversity” they are pushing a SJW agenda, no question about it author. Have you been living under a rock for the last few years?

[IamTylerDurden1]

I stay away from the "SJW" stuff because i simply do not understand people's blind outrage for including a female presence in games. I remember when Lost Legacy came out and people were outraged that two females might be featured in a game. People were attacking Neil, it was embarrassing. I actually like the BFV situation, women in a WII game is a completely new direction and i like innovation. Aloy was a bad ass huntress , there is great potential for strong female characters. But at the same time i despise the new design for Lara Croft, it just goes too far from Lara's roots. I just feel as though game developers should make games and build characters according to what they feel is best for the project. People should accept the creative vision. There is room for both anime styled female characters and strong female leads, this SJW nonsense is just overhyped garbage that gets in the way.

[thekhurg]

@gjxodnvb

I'm not concerned about what other people want to play as. I'm explaining my point of view on games, and giving insight as to perhaps why some people choose to complain about it.

I don't complain about it. If I see a game with a main character I have no interest in playing, I ignore it and move on. I don't go to the internet and demand that the developers answer for this, or request a character sex/race change. I just don't play the game.

I was defending the notion of N4G being a cesspool - it's a collection of gamers with passionate feelings about games, consoles, PCs, developers, publishers and manufacturers. To label this community as a disgusting place is purely ignorant on behalf of Parasyte.

I also 100% agree with Skull. Make as great of a game you can, with compelling and interesting characters and don't defend your choices with trigger words like "inclusive" - because it makes it clear that you have no original ideas and are just pandering to a social justice movement.

[sprinterboy]

Agreed, I don't actually call myself a gamer anymore even though I've been hardcore gamer for 35 yrs because I'm embarrassed what gamer stands for these days, I just class myself someone who enjoys a varied and unique experiences in media and entertainment industry.

[UltraNova]

@RememberThe357

Just remember, if you choose to swim with the rest of us in the "cesspool" called ng4 then you my friend are just as shitty as the rest of us.

Thank you for your reply.

[Harkins1721]

Its not the majority.

[Atomicjuicer]

Then leave

[RacerX]

@parasyte, Typical SJW response. You expect everyone to agree with you, and if they don't you EXPECT they should get banned.

Guess what, people have opinions. Some agree with you, and many do not. You cannot force people into submission and bend them to your "will.". That is how the Nazi's were born, and the SJW movement walks a scarily similar line.

[Gaming101]

Really? Well then enjoy your next transexual world war 2 game. The main character will be a woman who thinks she's a man, so takes testosterone to try to keep up with male soldiers.
Don't think it will happen because it's not historically accurate? Neither is having female soldiers in a WW2 game. Or quite frankly any game since female front line soldiers haven't been a widespread thing till very recently.
This is part of the "inclusion and diversity" narrative the post modern marxists are shoving down everyone's throat, and it's a pile of horse manure.

[FPS_D3TH]

Same here man.

[conanlifts]

As I said above I doubt anything will change, but I completely agree with you.

[RandoCommenter]

My spidey sense is tingling- social engineering present.

[360ICE]

"maybe people don't want to play as female"
That's not a controversy you nut. That's just those people, who have a weird issue. Red Dead Redemption wouldn't be a controversy just because you didn't want to play a western game.

[AAWELLS09]

Disagrees with your comment = the very people youre talking about in this piece. Those people = trash. I couldn't care less if anyone agrees with me or not. Everyone that visits this site knows exactly what you're talking about. I'm mainly speaking about the console war trash that goes around every article here.

[Mr-Dude]

Almost every forum, or site (game related) has a lot of fanboy comments. But censoring is very wrong, and I don't support that. Better modding sure, but I don't want mods like that site Resetera has. Only their narrowminded opinion matters, otherwise banned. This doesn't happen here AFIAK.

Plus, the problem is the articles aswell. Most of them are flamewar crappy stuff. Those things should be better checked.

[IamTylerDurden1]

N4G continues to allow clickbait sites because they bring traffic. This my friends, is the inconvenient truth. Why else would GamingBolt still be allowed?

[Sono421]

So I haven't been signing into N4G lately specifically to stay away from the comments section lately, I still visit, but simply don't give into the comment bait you speak of. In a way I agree there is a toxicity, but with anonymity on the internet that simply just happens, you act like you have just found out some big problem with this site and then even have the ignorance to use Battlefield V as an example. Shows exactly how little you understand. N4G isn't the only place with a big negative reaction twords Battlfeild V, just check the comments on the Youtube video. Not to mention it has more dislikes then likes, so your claim that the negativity on N4G needs to be censored is nothing short of lunacy. Who has the right to say one opinion is right over the other? Obviously the majority of people disagree with you on the Battlefield V point including myself. They themselves say the game is based on WW2, so don't go rewriting history and put women with prosthetic arms on the front lines, simple as that, they could just make it alternate history but no, they want to pander to sjw's, that is literally all it is, and if you see it as anything more then that you are simply wrong, you can be okay with it, and that can be your opinion, but that doesn't change what it is. Then you want to censor these comments? How about my comment right here? Is this not okay? Where will the line be drawn? Self righteous egotistical people like you trying to silence all opposing views perfectly sums up what is going on in america right now. Simply pathetic, you need a safe space? Then avoid talking to literally anyone on any site, there saved you a lot of trouble.

EDIT also this is targeted at the author not you Mr-Dude

[gangsta_red]

@tylerdurden

"N4G continues to allow clickbait sites because they bring traffic"

Going to have to disagree, while there are some stories with headlines meant to rile up fanboys they are very few that pop up on here.

It's usually a review or an opinion piece that fanboys don't agree with that they then rush in to proclaim it as Clickbait, start to rage on the author, pick apart his grammar, claim journalism is dead or tear each other's throats out for anyone who agrees with the article.

This is of course until an article pops up that agrees with their views...then all is forgiven.

Clickbait has now become the word to use when you don't agree with something.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Which is pathetic.

[GottaBjimmyb]

So basically, this article is along the lines of:
"I disagree with your opinion and am unable to argue your points with facts or reason, so mods need to ban you. Also, you are immoral for disagreeing..."

IMO I think that both sides can just argue the merits of their argument, and this site VERY frequently allows that, you just seem to be upset that the arguments you like are more often not as strong.

Obviously there are trolls and people who go too far, but that is on both sides of the table and exists on any site, this article just doesn't flush with what I see generally TBH.

Using your BFV example, many people think shoe-horning women into a game based on a historical event where they didn't exist to give the illusion of gender equality is just propaganda and is not actually improving gender equality, it is just a show to make them (and those who also do similar things) look holier than thou. These same people are the ones who frequently have rampant abuse of women and the highest ACTUAL pay gaps in their studios. (just like hollywood)

The reality is adding women or making character fit a certain diversity narrative does nothing to any real or perceived issue, so that is why people call the moves white-knighting, SJW, etc. They are not only fictional moves, but completely ingenuous and require no real sacrifice or action from the devs or people supporting such causes, while giving the most ability to brag/show-off how great they are for doing such things. While in reality are the main perpetrators to the issues in which they claim to be fighting in the gaming community and outside of it. (Eric shneiderman, harvey weinstein, even naughty dog, etc)

[GottaBjimmyb]

disingenuous*

[GottaBjimmyb]

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[Aceman18]

Even though I'm not buying the game is because of EA, and im kinda burnt out on FPS at the amount but I find this whole thing pretty damn stupid lol.

I don't, and never had any issues playing any game that had a woman as the main character, for me the ones who complain are probably just too damn insecure imo.

[IamTylerDurden1]

N4G has always been a cesspool. It's no different than YouTube or Disqus or Reddit or anywhere else on the Internet. It's just the culture. But my problem with N4G lies in the commitment to actual gaming. The majority of the articles that get hot are just nonsense. Rarely do i see actual gaming news, and if i do it usually catches no heat.

We live in a TMZ world i suppose, a Kardashian riddled land where people waste away filling their heads with junk. I love gaming, i'm not in it for the headlines. An excellent game called Omensight just released and i commented in almost every article, but sadly nobody else did. There is a great wide world out there, there is actual news, i wish people would actually care.

[FITgamer]

TBH it's became worst once the site upgraded. Also their are certain mods that have no business being mods.

[Mulletino]

People care more about opinions, brands, and trolling than ____.

[mark_parch]

I will admit that while i try and engage in civil discussions about various gaming topics on this site i have occasionally been part of the problem. Most of the time on here it just feels like we don't enjoy the same hobby. just like films, books and other media, video games or subjective and i think it's important to respect others views. i have often thought about ways to improve the comment sections on here like maybe only being able to comment on a article about a certain platform if you sign in with your username linked to that platform but that's obviously far from perfect. the n4g moderators definitely need to crack down on clickbait articles, that would be a step in the right direction

[fr0sty]

I propose a change, N4Gods...

There has been something similar in the past, but I don't think it was carried out properly. We need a rating system for websites. Websites that have high ratings will have their articles always featured above articles from websites that have less reputation. Once rep drops to a certain level, a website loses its ability to post anything.

As for comments, I think we need to have mods giving infractions and banning those who intentionally go into an article for no other reason than to troll. For instance, going into a Gran Turismo post to boast about Forza or vice versa. Some discretion can be used here, for instance if someone takes the time to write up a well-written post detailing why they feel Gran Turismo doesn't quite stack up to Forza, and that post is free of inflammatory flamebait, that's different. If someone comes into the thread to post one or two lines to say "GT sux Forza 4ever paystation sucks xbox4life!!!", they should get an infraction.

Actually IP ban them when they do get banned.

You can also do like Facebook does, and if someone gets enough negative responses, if their thumb down to thumb up ratio falls below a certain number, then their comments get automatically hidden.

[ziggurcat]

They can’t IP ban because of how they have things set up. Doing that would result in other, innocent users getting banned as well.

[yellowgerbil]

This site is only good for the back and forth of fanboys. I've not seen 1 professional article on this site it is basically just a scheme for people to drive traffic to their crummy sites.
Man I wish joystik was still a rhing, now that was a site worth reading articles on

[narsaku]

Even mentioning you enjoy something different than a, "certain", device here you get attacked, viciously. Which then starts eating away at your tolerance until you finally start acting like the very hate filled fanatics themselves.

Long story short, the longer you stay in this toxic environment, the more toxic you enivitably become. I've seen this from every single major poster here including me.

It's sad.

[starchild]

Very true. I hardly visit gaming sites anymore. It's mostly zealots bashing anyone who doesn't share their narrow console preference. It's toxic and rotten to the core. I used to enjoy discussing videogames with other gamers, but finding good discussion that isn't riddled with console war crap is getting harder and harder to do.

[Soc5]

Professional trolling in order to spread divisiveness and polarizing opinions has become a real widespread issue, that combined with inormal trolls has created a polluted atmosphere that contaminates discussions everywhere, not just gaming forums. It's sad and not sure what the solution is.

[conanlifts]

Unfortunately I do not see anything changing. Until admins start stepping in a banning or deleting comments form those who have no interest, other than to hate, on specific platforms nothing will change. Genuine discussions on this site are near impossible. You can't be a fan of multiple platforms as there is generally only 1 company that can be liked. Everything else receives a huge amount of hate. The only solution would be for admin to start moderating comments and banning users who continuously comment on articles where their primary aim is to hate. A lot of users continuously do this and they are easily identifiable by their history. The problem with this is that if they step in they would lose a large percentage of their regular commenters.
As for fanboys I have no real issue with someone being a devoted fan, but their comments should remain on relevant articles about the rand they love, not as I said spreading hate on those they dislike.

[d3nworth1]

I going to have to stop you right there. Given the current trend of shoehorning female characters into movies and games without any real context can you really blame people for thinking DICE is catering to SJWs?

[Bhai]

Not agree regarding N4G only... EVERYWHERE is same... N4G is the ultimate and prompt source of everything... I've been around since maybe 2005 and has never been let down!

[Mista2018]

N4g was annoying before 2 years ago, but the Trump era just made people think they can be even bigger a**holes than ever before. Racism, hatred of women, etc is the most primitive crap. The fruits of this were manifested way back. I remember how Naughty Dog once had to call security on a paid game tester because of how balistic he went when he saw the Nadine vs Nate fight in Uncharted 4 (angry that it had a woman who could fight). Insane. No wonder we see all of these loser incels and alt right simpathizers going around doing mass murders and shooting up schools. Now we can't even go to a gaming site without dealing with these no-lifers in the comment section.

*Rant over*

[CodeFrancis]

:'< But not everyone, right? Some genuinely love the games they play.

[stuna1]

N4G has always been a cesspool dependant on who you talk to and the flavor of the month (Whatever consol/PC is doing well)!

There are fanboys and there are logical well thought out commenters. The question is how is that any different from anything or anywhere in the world!? Just because a persons views doesn't match up or align up with yours, doesn't make theirs wrong or less valid.

I've been on this site a while as well, but find it funny how so many developed amnesia and have automatically disqualified an entire generation! I'm speaking of last generation! The only thing that has changed, is the shoe is just on the other foot!!!

[WeAreLegion]

I'm usually right with you guys, trying to call out devs for pandering, but with BFV, you're just plain wrong. The "us vs them" stuff needs to stop, so we can all have real conversations about it, instead of being shouted down.

[Avernus]

You... you hit the nail on the head.

In the case of BF5, it's either you agree with the SJW agenda, or you're a racist, sexist white guy. There is no "I disagree with you on somethings, but this is my opinion..." it's a "fck your opinion, mine is valid because I'm not a sexist person!"

I've also been here a while, not longer than some, but long enough to see the ebb and flow of the cesspool. This blog ironically calling it to attention, is adding to the problem. Funny.

[GottaBjimmyb]

@gmqingunited "why can't they make the game they want?"

They can, and MOST (not all) who don't like it, just dislike it because it is not historically accurate, and seems like propaganda. (Personally, I don't care, just standing up for the right to the opinion that it is distasteful)

I have not seen anyone saying DICE, or any other dev, cannot add women to a war where they were not on the battlefield, just people that don't like it, which is fine IMO.

You guys are complaining that people dislike the choice, and are exercising their rights to criticize and potentially not buy the product due to such. Whereas you and the author wants opposing views to your own to be censored because you don't like what they have to say, to the point of actually insulting them baselessly and claiming they only have those views because they are sexists, racists, etc.

"Your saying they're forcing their agenda but at the same time your trying to force your agenda."

Disagreeing with a choice is not forcing an agenda, and frankly neither is what DICE is doing. You are actually contradicting your own defense of DICE by indicting anyone who voices an opinion opposing DICE's choice...

[Sayai jin]

Avernus, what? Who brought op anything about white males? Projecting... I'm getting tired of people using SJW just becuase people eant diversity. Many great people in the past would have been considered SJWs, MLK, Ghandi, etc.

On topic, N4G has had issues, but has gotten worse. Maybe more admin are needed. The old bubble system worked in a way to keep trolling down to a point.

[GottaBjimmyb]

"The old bubble system worked in a way to keep trolling down to a point."

No the bubble system allowed a small group to silence anyone whose opinion they didn't like while expanding the ability to post for those they agreed with.

"Many great people in the past would have been considered SJWs, MLK, Ghandi, etc."

Interesting, MLK said he wanted people to be judged on the content of their character NOT the color of their skin. He did not want people to be grouped in or identified by their gender alone. He didn't believe race or gender to be a merit, just that there should be no implicit discrimination or IMPOSED inequality based on discrimination. (ie. Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome as many seem to exclaim) That said, honestly, I could care less, it is a game, just pointing out that those complaining not only have legitimate complaints, but that they have nothing to do with racism or sexism. Especially considering there are hundreds, even thousands of games with female characters many of which are leads, then add games with character creation and it is hard to take the whining seriously.

That said, women being represented isn't the point here anyway, the issue is that they are on a battlefield that they were not in actual history, in a game presenting an actual war. In fact, I have see more people upset about the fact she has a stupid hook than about the woman, for the same reason, it doesn't match the historical context of the event it claims to represent.

Ghandi, well, not sure what he had to do with the issues in this article or comments at all really, but maybe I am just missing your point there.

[ginganinja]

@GottaBjimmyb
I'd suggest people have a hard time being convinced there's a 'historically accurate' argument when earlier editions of the game you can jump out of fighter planes, snipe in mid-air, then land in a helicopter.
It makes the, 'oh, but would a woman really be fighting there at that time' sound a little feeble.

I assume that Sayai Jin was implying Ghandi would be considered an SJW as he fought against the status quo to improve things for a section of society which was discriminated against.

[rainslacker]

Whenever I read articles/blogs/comments like this, I just want to tell people maybe they should take a break from the internet. Also to not take things so personally.

While I do agree that the there is a lot of vitriol around here, it's only a cesspool if people want to take things personally, and it seems too many people seem to think that the "attacks" from random people on the internet somehow causes them harm.

It's a gaming site. There isn't really any place that's any better....unless you just want an over-moderated forum where the course of discussion tends to only go the way the mods want, and the narrative is always skewed.

[BlackTar187]

Beautiful comment. If your feelings get hurt or you become toxic cause others are then stick to books and magazine articles.

Joking but if my comment describes you then maybe Russia meddling works. Be mentally stronger people.

[rainslacker]

I won't lie. I've had my moments where I tend to get too into it, and feel the need to be more hostile. I can be more stern in my assertions against certain users without actually being pissed off though, and for the most part, it's rare that I'm offended by what people say, even when they make things personal.

The most annoying thing about the net, and talking about games, is people will make things personal against a poster, instead of actually addressing the arguments being made. Which again, I'll admit, I'm guilty of doing sometimes.

[grimmweisse]

It isn't about views aligning or matching up, because that doesn't create any drama. It is because some users feel whatever is said doesn't align with what was said that they feel angered, threatened and just overall toxic that they need to go on the defensive where it becomes are screaming match as if it's personal.

[Wotbot]

Negativity 4 gamers certainly, the worst thing about it that is sucks you in, even when you are not a fanboy you become a fanboy.

Worst of all I believe it’s bad for the industry and community.

I visit this website for news but there’s so much meaningless news.

[Vegamyster]

I don't bother commenting half the time anymore, i didn't look at any of the BFV drama, I'm just talking about the fanboy crap which is prevalent on pretty much every popular article. Lots of people can't just focus on the topic or ignore articles that don't interest them, it's like a echo chamber of negativity that i admit to getting caught up in it at times.

[rainslacker]

I don't think it's bad for the industry. The negativity has risen over the years, but so have sales for gaming, and gaming is booming.

Bad for the community depends on how seriously people take the community. However, with all the vitriol. it means the community isn't taken as seriously by the industry, which isn't good. When the community does stand up and speaks with mostly one voice, then the industry does tend to listen. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen that often.

I do agree that most of the content on here is pretty meaningless, and is really just there to be a jumping board for discussion. But the content itself is mostly just filler, because real news doesn't happen that often in the industry.

[Wotbot]

When I say bad for the industry, I mean take a look a review scores for example, reviewers have their own agenda, alliances, loyaltys, review scores can be at both ends of the spectrum, a good game can be talked about as a bad game or vice versa depending which news thread you read it on. Reviews are someone’s opinion but it can be a poor and inaccurate view, again bad for the industry and the metric score is reduced, the amount of rubbish is damaging.

Fanboys can do the same which can create poorer sales

[rainslacker]

That's a different matter from this particular site being vitriolic though. The media itself is certainly vitriolic, but so is most journalism nowadays.

I think fan boys, or at least the community can indeed affect sales, but it's more usually over things that the community agrees on. However, there are times when it can happen when it really shouldn't. I'd even give examples, but I know that it'd just end up getting responses on why those things were perfectly justified.

[Sam Fisher]

I agree half way, on the other hand if moderators starts banning or punishing those ppl, then wouldnt that become censoring the freedom to comment what ever you say?

[CaptainOmega]

Who says you should have the freedom to comment whatever you want on a site like this, or any other site for that matter without any consequence? This is supposed to be an aggregate news site, not a cesspool for fanboys.

[deno]

The first amendment. That is why you have the freedom to say what you just said.

[yomfweeee]

@deno, go back to government class. Freedom of Speech only protects you from the government. You don't have the right to say whatever you want, wherever you want.

[EliteGameKnight]

The real question is what warrants consequence. This is the great dilemma with controlling speech. I tend to be rather critical of offense censorship, as anything can be offensive to various groups, and to censor for such reasons can either lead to the removal of comments all together, as anything that is said can be offensive, or certain group's offenses being discarded as being 'wrong', thus making a biased echo chamber for people who care more about feeling they are right rather than knowing they are right through good argument.

Things that I tend to be fine with censoring are the situationally unrelated comments, such as spam, which is already prohibited; and directly aggressive comments, like doxing and calls for violence, which I believe is also prohibited.

People oftentimes make really poor arguments, they let their zealotry and passion get in the way of truth and tact, but this doesn't mean that these things should be banned, let the self evident be as such. Fix the apparent gas leak rather than cordoning it off only to have it explode.

[nitus10]

The problem occurs when people who post a comment get upset and adopt a "snowflake attitude" when people sometimes criticise them.

Basically, the rules of any forum are firstly you don't have to read any comments if they offend your sensibilities, secondly, if you post then be prepared for criticism, thirdly if you answer to a criticism be prepared to back up your comments (ie. web links or other evidence). Snowflake comments are not acceptable and in many cases deserved to be trolled.

While I am not an American I fully believe in the First Amendment in the US constitution. It is a pity that many nations don't enshrine "freedom of speech" in their laws.

BTW. Gaming sites such as N4G are fairly mild (the odd fan-boy or nasty comment which can easily be ignored) compared to religious forums where if you live in certain countries you could face blasphemy laws which can result in imprisonment or even death.

[deckardreplicant]

The Biggest problem with N4G might not be it's audience but the MODS. They are running this website like some sort of propaganda. They sure do have the power to manipulate because they only approve stories which favours in thier interest and what they personally like

[Prince_TFK]

I personally love the “admin note” they put on whenver an article about a certain console cause negative reaction in the comment section

[NecrumOddBoy]

I see a lot of comments getting removed or marked as inappropriate from moderators that are completely acceptable, not trolling, and are opinionated disagreements. It makes me really question the Integrity of this website.

I also find certain admin notes interesting. One of the biggest annoyances I see that comes from Individual moderators, is admin knows when the community has to deal with people posting spoilers and embargo breaking articles. It's like n4g is being told that it's not okay to dislike the lack of integrity and gaming media.

[-Foxtrot]

The real issue is each one enforces the "guide lines" in their own way.

One day they could let something slide, the next you've done something that "can't be looked over"

I mean we're talking about something here, all of us, mostly a civil manner but you know for a fine fact that in a bit most of these comments will be marked down...probably most of us with restrictions.

[Christopher]

Mods and admins rarely approve any submissions. This is both because it goes against the community decision making and that a single approval from a mod or admin is enough to outright approve content. We do submit content that we like, but we don't approve it. Exceptions are typically those to fix bad submissions or when I post N4G announcements or E3 conference events that get stickied.

@Kun_ADR I agree http://n4g.com/news/2163687...

[Mr_Writer85]

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you're free to say what you want without concequences.

[CaptainOmega]

He said the freedom to comment on whatever you say is freedom of speech. That's not correct.

[Mr_Writer85]

Either way you have the freedom to do that, but again no one is free from concequence.

[CaptainOmega]

That was the entire point of my comment.

[rainslacker]

People are free to say what they want. They just can't attack others, say derogatory things about groups or others, or blatantly troll in a vitriolic way.

While I think more moderation can be done, it's sort of a slippery slope. Also, how do you determine the difference between a troll and someone who's just passionate about gaming or criticizing stuff in the industry. For instance, sometimes it's obvious who's a troll, but then you have people like me, Septic, Gansta, etc, who are just more passionate and being more prolific commentators on the site, it tends to make us all look more like fan boys than we may be.

[Chris_GTR1]

I don't think the problem on this site is freedom of speech , its flamboyant teenagers saying some ridiculous comment to stir up a reaction. they need to implement the reddit model where upvoted comments go to the top and downvoted go down. itll take troll/fanboy comments who are always the first to comment all the way to the bottom where nobody sees them.

[strayanalog]

Agreed.

Moderators, to their credit, do do their job sometimes, but I've seen more and more fight starting or obvious prodding comments go unchecked, and ones that clearly state an opinion get flagged.
I've reported several comments as inappropriate for a long time and unless it is obvious spam nothing gets done. I just don't understand the logic myself, and I'm starting to think a lot of the moderators are bias toward any game or console that isn't their favorite. I have such a strong distrust in the system that I've stopped reporting.

If necessary, a system should be put in place that gives a user credibility based on what comment they report to a moderator, like the bubble system we once had. That way if someone flags something then it needs to be looked at, because it's from a worthy source.
I would hate to think we should start flagging comments we deem wrong and messaging a moderator about the user and the comment, but if flags keep getting ignored then I'm about to be spam to all the moderators.

[The_Jackel]

a huge problem with this site is the moderators.

[Lokii]

Very true about the moderators.

[rainslacker]

There's only a few moderators on the site, and they aren't full time employees. They're just volunteers. I think there needs to be more moderators, but I only know of 4 that still exist and you see from time to time.

I don't know what most of them do, or how much time they spend on the site, but I know that coolbeans and Christopher tend to be pretty fair, although they aren't always consistent.

[nitus10]

You do know that anyone logged in to this forum can up or downvote current comments. Sure a moderator can look at a particular post if it is flagged as "spam" or "inappropriate" but given the sheer amount of comments, it is virtually impossible for the few moderators on this site to vet all of them.

[No Way]

I would tend to agree with that. When sometimes, obvious troll comments go by unscathed - yet, normal comments responding to those troll comments get deleted.

I preferred the old system of having the two different zones for commenting, along with the bubble system. That way annoying trolls can't just troll everyone.

[thejigisup]

I have been wishing fornt he bubble system to return. I had a few (3)comments marked as inappropriate for voicing my opinion on a game that I didn't like,due to some fundamental issues with the game, missing content, cost, etc., there was nothing inappropriate about what I posted though it didn't match up with what the mods ideas were. I've seen abuses of power, rude comments etc. Agree and disagree is nice to have but I believe the bubble system was much more effective. Valuable comments and contributions to positive discussion should be rewarded and people that take away from the conversation should be limited. When I had 5 bubbs and a troll had only 1 I knew he wouldnt be able to spam the comment section repeatedly with trash. I understand the issue and I think comment censorship can really hurt positive discussion in the future. I will be honest I have declined commenting on certain articles because I know that I have an opposing view.

[RauLeCreuset]

I have seen comments like the ones you're talking about, where I can't figure out what aside from the mod's own biases and oversensitivity would warrant collapsing the comment. But mods were doing that when the bubble system was in place too. It was worse then, because you only had but so many bubbles, and them overriding the will of the community to collapse you could result in the loss of a bubble.

[thejigisup]

@Raul, definitely, I'd like to see some new variation however. Something needs to change, how, idk.

[Gh05t]

Isnt it done based on popularity in general, like if so many users mark a comment as inappropriate the system marks it as such? I always thought most the time it was just a bunch of people marking it as inappropriate not the mods hands on. I would genuinely like to know how its done.

[grimmweisse]

Yeah the bubble system would at least clean up the comments up a bit, you won't get the same person shouting you down over and over again.

[Rude-ro]

The bubble system actually highleted more issues. There was no point.
A mod would control certain comments no matter how many bubbles you had and no matter the topic body... of it was not liked, even if on topic and polite, it would still get taken down.
Then there were those that would get several bubble refills right before a click bait topic was about go live.

[strayanalog]

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm talking about a reporting system that's like the bubble one that used to be in place, specifically for reporting bad activities.
The user is rewarded for actually reporting something bad. Nothing like a difference of opinion, but a fight starting comment or something exceptionally bad.

Wait. Okay, I got it. How about the flagging could be up to the users decide, like 5 or 10 users, or a certain level and above contributors (plus one mod?) automatically flags the comment?

[Liqu1d]

It would be nice if they actually followed they guidlines all the time instead of when they feel like.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

The moderation is so wildly inconsistent that it makes me question whether they're moderating based on the guidlines or their own personal feelings. You can go into an article and see rampant trolling and insults with no moderation but then in another article you'll see comments being being marked as inappropriate for no real reason. People have been complaining about the moderators for years, simply Google "N4G moderation", yet there has been no improvement. It's understandable that they won't catch everyone but there are people who do nothing but troll on this site and they just get ignored likely because of personal bias.

If the moderators feel overwhelmed then please give more control to N4G users by incorporating an ignore feature that will hide ignored users comments, it will make the site vastly more bearable if we can personally clean up the comments. Have ignored users comments be displayed how spam is displayed but instead say "ignored".

[MasterCornholio]

We use to have an ignore feature on this website. The last thing that I've heard I'd that the site developers are working on bringing it back. Unfortunately it was a long time ago when I heard that so they probably won't.

[MWH]

some people who point at people think that they are not the people who some people point at.

Remember people, power is by the people and for the people.

[Endo-Endo]

I try to stay out of the comments section and don't really bother with it. Mostly because of the stuff mentioned above. I remember when gaming was smaller and on the playground it was rare to find someone who enjoyed it too so finding out that they had a SNES rather than a Sega Mega Drive didn't matter.

Toxic people are everywhere. My position on BF5 is that it's not for me, it seems a bit more bombastic then I would like from the trailer and I don't really understand a historic setting if you ignore history. There were women on the battlefields in resistance groups but to my knowledge there wasn't any deployed by either side as front line combatants and I can't really make my mind up from the trailer if that's what they were going for or not.

[DillyDilly]

I say Disable the Comments on Articles & strictly use the forum under Heavy Moderation

[81BX]

I disagree. There are plenty of gamers on here that share opinions and views and have valid concerns. I feel it just needs to be mod heavy. Also there needs to be some kind of training prior to being a mod

[Bobafret]

Dude, I can merely express a little excitement over any MS product and I get venom.

[DillyDilly]

You can do that on the forums where its more organized & likely easier to mod then thousands of random articles

Or at the very least let the people that dont wanna see the comment sections hide them themselves ?

One or the other here

[Gaming_1st]

@Bobafret

Well, it seems a lot of people on here are soft and can not take any criticism. Typical for this day and age in society.

[81BX]

@gaming I agree but mods need to check the trolls

[Razzer]

"Dude, I can merely express a little excitement over any MS product and I get venom."

oh bullshit

[Asuka]

If I could I would disable comments and filter my feed to only allow my interest.

[rainslacker]

Why do that? If people don't like the comments section, they don't have to read it. It's not like a single comment shows up when you load up the article, as it'll be down below the description. Those that want to comment, and put up with the negativity, can do so. Those that don't, can not.

it's not like there are any other aggregate sites which have it any better. Heck, I can't think of any site that is balanced that deals with all consoles. It's only specialized sites that only deal with specific things that don't get this kind of vitriol.

[Prince_TFK]

I’m glad someone finally point this out. In other note, I had said it before and I will say it again, the comment section on this site is unbearable, especially on Nintendo and MS’s articles. Sometimes you just wanna have a good and civilized conversation, but then some fanatics of a certain console pops up and ruin everything.

Their excuse? A certain console sell more so that mean their are more fans for that console. As if this justify their trollings on almost every articles on N4G. Surely, every consoles have their fanboys, but all these trolling need to be stopped.

[Gaming_1st]

Yeah just the opposite last generation, nothing but so called Xbox fanboys.

[XtaZ]

This site was overrun by PS fanboys last generation too. Nothing has changed.

[antz1104]

So that makes it acceptable? The old "that kid made fun of me so I did the same to him" playground mentality? That's a big part of the problem right there. Holding a grudge from original Xbox days is ridiculous.

[Imalwaysright]

Utter bullshit and I find it funny that is people that weren't even N4g members in those days saying this.

[starchild]

That's blatantly false. The articles and comments are still there and can be viewed by anyone. This site was never overrun by Xbox fanboys, nor Nintendo fanboys, nor PC fanboys. In fact, even back then it had more Sony fanboys, it was just closer to being balanced.

[Asuka]

Yeah this is why I do not comment or interact much around here. The loud portion of the community here is largely immature, ignorant, and/or entitled.

My account will say I have been a member since June 1st, 2006, but this is merely a placeholder as I have been a registered user here longer than the existing profile system. I have seen my fair share of the nonsense that goes on here from someone who lurks and watches things from the sidelines.

In short, n4g is just a good example of what the people on the internet are like regardless of what the subject at hand. Go ahead and try to carry a "conversation" with anyone around here. I gave that up oh... around 2008 when I realized the kind of traffic this place attracts.

Now that I am older I am not so angry or triggered as I know most of everything here is nonsense, and having realized the type of demographic (14~32 I am assuming) resides here, and that is typically when you will find the most opinionated people who completely reject anything that'll go against their view, or ignore because they are too arrogant to admit a failing.

But whatever, right?

[Parasyte]

So, true!

[Gazondaily]

Yep

[mopground]

i agree. Some are so entitled they make a post advocating censorship(but without actually directly saying it), for views they don't agree with but cover their true intent under the guise of trying to "have a conversation".

[yomfweeee]

I think the biggest issue is the types of articles allowed. Of course this will never change because the more articles the more click fees.

- "top 5/10" articles
- "predictions" based on nothing
- sites written by 12 year olds who cant use proper English (and I'm not talking about people with English as a second language)

I really wish the site would allow you do block categories. I really don't want anything other than news and reviews.

You get dragged into the other crap because it is so tempting.

[Parasyte]

Unfortunately, some of the worst offenders are the opinion pieces. I don't have a problem with someone expressing their opinion as long as it is in a civil manner, but when it is obvious flamebait is when the article needs to be failed.

[Rehl]

I was about to suggest some things to ban from being submitted, but you pretty much nominated the stuff I was about to write. Though I would add stuff like "cosplay" to that list too; this kind of "content" contributes nothing to the wider forum and only takes more focus away from content that is deserving of one's attention. That and yes it is very obvious clickbait.

If the site can enforce a very strict (and imho pointlessly specific) rule saying no opinion pieces based on rumor - ie Black Ops 4 not having single-player prior to it being official - I'm fairly sure stuff like completely black-listing uninformative "lists" and whatnot can also be included. But the top priority should be removal of obvious flamebait and console-war nonsense.

The only ONE exception to that rule I can think of is that an article, despite being critical of one platform/console, can at least be written and approach things from a neutral/non-partisan perspective.

It's still my belief/hope that there are a vast number of writers/critics who can see things and discuss subjects without the overbearing influence of a particular allegiance to a company, a strong social/political leaning or both...and to their credit, I have clicked/read some op-ed's that are written well and at least try to come off as fair and balanced - and if this comments section is any indication, the smart/logical users are many if sadly silent on this whole affair - but at present, it's far too easy to upload utter trash and get it circulating on the trending section.

[knickstr]

Typical social justice warrior. Wants to silence everybody because he/she doesn't agree with what others are saying. Get over yourself.

[Parasyte]

You just proved my point.

[knickstr]

And you haven't disproved mine. It seems like you've seen some stuff that you didn't agree with and labeled it as sexist right away and want the mods to delete anything that offends you. From what I've seen the mods have been pretty good at getting the egregious comments off the sites.

[CaptainOmega]

Yup. I made a point yesterday that calling people stupid for being susceptible to anti-consumer gaming practices is not productive.... Got more dislikes than likes.

[Gh05t]

Are you saying that everyone has to agree with you?

Maybe some people like myself think that a little shame is whats missing in todays world. Maybe calling people out for what they are could help. Or you know coddle them and let them continue to be susceptible to anti-consumer practices, that will fix the problems.

[CaptainOmega]

There's a difference between calling people out while being a dick and being tactful about it.

Being susceptible isn't being stupid. Grow up.

[Platformgamer]

every trhead on internet is a cesspool then
every place has is % of negativity

[starchild]

Not really. I have quite a few other hobbies and none of the communities centered on those hobbies is nearly as bad as the fanboy-filled community on N4G and certain other game sites.

Sure, there are a few trolls here and there, but by and large you can actually have a civil conversation in those other communities. When I go to forums dealing with martial arts, home theater, history, population genetics or any of my other interests it's actually possible to engage in fun, informative, mutually respectful conversation with other members. That's generally impossible on this site. Here discussion almost always revolves around putting one platform on a pedestal and downplaying or outright bashing all others.

[Gunstar75]

This is a toxic site, overrun by fanboys. I can't remember the last time I saw a thread that didn't end up in a fanwar.

[deckardreplicant]

You My Dude just summed my entire frustration over this website. The Mods are not very good, They only approve story they feel like that should be. They are completely unfair when it comes to approval of stores. They judge based on their personal opinion. Stories do have a disagree button but it's completely useless because for god once I disagreed and the story went from pending to failed.

"LAME" is the worst choice you can put in when approving stories.

[Parasyte]

I genuinely believe this site has good mods, but unfortunately, I don't think there are enough of them, or they are outnumbered by the bad mods/mods that just don't care..

[Araragifeels]

Good mods, sure. I have seen many articles or comment that can be outright toxic but mods/OP don't do anything until someone start giving an opinion that goes against Op point of view. I haven't seen a good mood ever since N4G eliminated the Bubble system.

[Lokii]

The mods here are useless. Some get on like their judge dread

[bigmalky]

Well, partly right, but it's this sort of censorship that leads to worse things. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. If you stop people from voicing their concern, then you are nothing more than authoritarian in nature and that is not welcome either.

I can say that some people could be more eloquent with their responses, but I have seen venom from all sides.

I disagree with the WWII setting with fantasy roles and visuals, as EA did not mention anything about alternate universes or such... That's just natural, but there are also a subset shouting misogyny and racist at every opportunity when it's not the case and that is also an aggravating factor that needs to stop within N4G. It is pretty much trolling and also concentrated, personal attack, especially if nothing outright derogatory has been said.

You can't have it both ways. Either both sides calm down, or you must accept that everyone has an opinion. If your aim is to shut up opinions you don't agree with, then you are no better.

[Asuka]

This is all i wanted in a response. Someone who offers their insight, no swearing or over exaggerated statements. Regardless of whether or not you agree (and I do agree btw) this is the "conversation" worth having.

[bigmalky]

Exactly. Either we become a community, as the word is intended, or we stay divided and have our rights to opinion without venom being spat at each other.

Debate is fine, but when it descends into name calling, trolling, labelling someone as an 'ist' or trying to silence someone by force (in this case demanding bans/using the innapropriate button for nothing), then maybe mods should step in and condone anyone using such means to an end.

But it has to be equal across the board. No favouring sides, or again, it becomes authoritarian.

[Gh05t]

I just edited the crap out of my comment above because of this post. Even I need reminders every now and again to tone it down and you can still make your point.

[Godmars290]

Its become a lose-lose situation. Comments get marked "inappropriate" for being sensible and rational yet something someone doesn't want to hear, as well as actually insulting and/or vulgar.

[bigmalky]

It's quite funny that people think they are doing good by silencing valid opinions and attacking people when they do not fit their mindset.

It's ironic too, seeing as there was someone else in the historical time period of Battlefield V that did the exact same thing to people he didn't agree with, and much worse.

The people fighting for the rights of all here seem to have more in common with Adolf Hitler than those they throw the word nazi at.

Sorry, that's an unavoidable fact, and people need to start looking at what they are doing.

[RauLeCreuset]

Actually, those people have more in common with today's Germany. You know, the Germany that doesn't slaughter people in concentration camps in an effort to do the exact opposite of fighting for the rights of all? How do you arrive at a place where in your mind what you said seems even vaguely sensible, let alone factual?

[bigmalky]

@Raul

Go and read up. Hitler was a socialist. He also silenced others by berating and belittling them to others without anything but the reason he hated them and convinced an entire nation that genocide was viable.

This new movement is highly socialist, tries to silence views they do not like and commits acts of violence against anyone who doesn't agree. If it escalates, who knows what will happen to anyone that doesn't fall under your umbrella as the tension rises.

All I'm saying is, instead of labelling an entire group that doesn't agree with you as the lowest form of human being you can think of... Center your views and try to approach a debate without casting hate, because that's exactly what both sides are doing.

[Godmars290]

"someone doesn't want to hear, *along with ones* actually insulting and/or vulgar."

Fixed.

What is wrong with my writing...

[81BX]

100% I would also add this agenda of who is leading in sales.

[OffRoadKing]

How about the agenda of who is leading in power, there are agendas on both sides and if you were truly unbiased you'd see both.

[StormLegend]

People have the right to say what they wanna say unless it's racist or inappropriate.

[Gh05t]

The irony on your sentence is astounding.

[Rachel_Alucard]

What happens when people get marked as racist or inappropriate despite not doing any such thing? I've seen dozens of articles where half the comments are hidden due to being inappropriate and the comments are not in any way inappropriate. You can just mark whatever you want and the mods do it without a 2nd thought.

[RauLeCreuset]

Here come the ridiculous comments to prove the point of the post. It's not about silencing differences of opinion. That's a nonsense euphemism people use to sugarcoat their intolerance. Crap like this is still up on the site 147 days after being flagged, reported as a ticket, and DM'ed to Christopher.

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

That's not a mere difference of opinion. It's a direct expression of intolerance that deliberately took a shot at a group of people who had nothing to do with the topic. Yet, this same site will collapse innocuous comments about hardware, because some over obsessed person might get their feelings hurt.

[Gaming_1st]

@RauLeCreuset

Actually i felt that comment was in great context. Sorry you got offended. Again it's the reason why we are having this debate right now. People are so sensitive and soft in this day and age it's sickening. So you didn't like the comment and you reported and wanted it took down. You're just being a hypocrite.

[RauLeCreuset]

I'll repeat. The comment was a direct expression of intolerance that deliberately took a shot at a group of people who had nothing to do with the topic. Part of the problem, as alluded to in Parasyte's post, is that you have opinionated people who don't know what they're talking about pretending to be knowledgeable on subjects that haven't properly acquainted themselves with. It's hilarious and ironic that you think I'm being soft and a hypocrite. The comment and many others in that thread were born from the oversensitivity and ignorance of some gamers who took offense to the ICD classification. You don't see that, because your focus is on what you perceive to be oversensitivity on the part of those responding to intolerance. You're transparent. And FYI, if people are soft in this day and age, what were they when they actually came up with laws to avoid having to share space with Black people or when they were bullying people to keep them in the closet?

[RauLeCreuset]

People aren't coming on to a gaming site expecting to have to validate their existence. How is anyone having a hard time with this? The comment was way out of left field and out of line.

[ginganinja]

It has no context because it's completely irrelevant to the article.
As to the actual comment itself. How is it of any worth. Even if it did have some connection to the article it's not going to encourage any debate. It's purely a juvenile attack on transgender people for the sake of it.
If that's the level of 'debate' you're aspiring to, then I guess N4G is doing fine...

[Gaming_1st]

But you guys are just helping what i am saying....Thanks

[Weeblordbad]

Good grief, it wasn't in the slightest related to the topic. I have a friend who is trans and no I didn't report that comment or ask to have it taken down but it's in such poor taste, especially when it's not even related.

You make so many allusions to protect this kind of behavior, telling people their sensitive or soft. Wouldn't it or couldn't it be a case of maybe you're the soft one here? You can't handle the idea of adults asking you to treat others with respect so this is your childish rebuke?

[Segata]

Yup. Rampant fanboyism and feeling the need to bash Xbox and Nintendo is pathetic. Fine to express opinions but I'm at a point I care little what anyone has to say to me. If someone asks a question and you answer you suddenly get a bunch of dislikes. Comment section needs to be turned over to Disqus. Easy to block people rather than the broken crap system in place. Able to respond to anyone rather than the broken crap system in place.

[Fantomex]

Let's be honest, the community here isn't that bad. Like any large forum community there will be many people you wouldn't be friends with. That's just the nature of people really.

[Inzo]

One thing I do agree with is that the fowl language that needs to be diled down somewhat but that being said people need to be able to voice their disapproval if they dont agree with something. If you want a safe space go to an american university, you can spend some time in the "cry closet" but I will never keep quiet when someone is trying to force their ideology down my throat.

We have succeeded in bringing the Star Wars franchise to its knees by hitting these SJWs where it really hurts. In their pockets and we will do the same with the gaming industry whenever we see unwelcome practices, be MTs or agenda pushing.

[Weeblordbad]

You can voice your disapproval with some tact.

[AmUnRa]

So you think that N4G is a Cesspool and you know you are right. It is getting worse, but it is not so bad on other sides. Look for example at the commentsection of GamingBolt, VG247, and Dualshockers. These commentsections are not a Cesspool, they are toxic as hell. And the mods there do almost nothing about it.
The Fanboys on the comments sections are making toxic comments that makes the fanboys on the comment section here look like sheep. Its not good but its not bad as other sides.

[WeAreLegion]

Even as someone who's tired of SJW's taking things way too far, I have to say the BFV comment section was a joke. The game isn't trying to be realistic. I guarantee none of you were mad at Tarantino for changing history in his films. Just let women play as women. Come on. It's supposed to be a fun game. I'm still a supporter of what Gamergate was actually about, too. I think sites like Polygon and Kotaku are trying to push an agenda. But adding a woman to an over the top WW2 campaign gets you guys going? This is why nobody is taking you seriously. There's no line for you people. It's all bad to you. You're basically Feminazis, but on the other side.

More than that, this place is on borrowed time. Reddit does what this place does, but significantly faster. The stuff you read on N4G has been on Reddit for hours or days by the time it gets approved here.

I don't think it matters what we do. This site is going to die off soon enough.

[Rachel_Alucard]

I don't truly think it was the woman because we've had women soldiers in games for years with little problems. I think this was all directed at a combination of the prosthetic arm, the deviation of what WW2 has been portrayed as to the masses, and the fact the trailer is bad.

Saving private Ryan has hundreds of issues and theres a video showing these things. People think of that film when thinking of WW2, and BFV breaks that portrayal of what WW2 has been portrayed as by multiple industries.

Also I'm sad to say this youtube comment is right http://imgur.com/gallery/eP...

[DafunkyRebel]

That’s because you took away the bubble system and then have this like dislike nonsense. People lose interests in making valuable opinions and now it’s become like this

[Parasyte]

I am truly surprised at the amount of people that have contributed to the conversation in a well thought out and civil manner. Thank you all!

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Umm...it's not just N4G, It's the internet/gamers in general.

[pabadamus1]

What we don't want is over correction and over censorship. If a comment does not transgress the already established codes of conduct then it should stand. Discourse is sometimes messy. We should welcome all voices. Ignore the trolls. Report the transgressors. Acknowledge and encourage those who put forth an effort to be insightful (whether we agree or not). Use your words to prove your point and elevate your opinions above the "cesspool". Whether the comments are sexist or not shouldn't matter. As far as I know intolerance, ignorance and narrow-mindedness aren't reasons to stifle or suppress speech. A person can be perfectly biased or intolerant without breaking the rules. We must accept that people will say things we don't want to hear. The hammer should only fall on those who transgress.

[l33t_haxx0r]

Mods will remove comments they personally do not agree with. If people are allowed freedom of speech, people need to be allowed to say what they want, even if that is offensive and upsets other people. We live in a world of people getting offended over every little tiny thing. Stop moaning because you disagree with something.

[gangsta_red]

I have to somewhat agree with you about comments that seem ignorent or just plain stupid but at the same time they only seem that way when you have a different point of view on the subject.

Their view of what may be SJW catering can also be said of the opposite when side.

Mods can only do so much with this, but asking them to flag comments for a legitimate point of view no matter how wrong you think it is, is not the answer.

Yes, their are a few comments that are really over the top that do get flagged, I've seen it. That is the only time a mod should actually step in. But if someone has an issue with women or some other ethnicity fighting in WWII well, that's their view, argue and discuss it, but don't ask for them to be banned or marked.

[Auron]

Lol this place is a cesspool only because of battlefield v? I thought you said youve been on this site for years?

[T2X]

I would say, don't concentrate so much on this crap. I like to read articles about games and stuff too, but occasionally, I get into a fight with some dickhead over something stupid too. LOL.

[GruntboxWizard]

I personally enjoy freedom of speech.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Calling out nonsense, hate and idiots is also freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not a license for everything to be a free for all.

[GruntboxWizard]

Yeah I agree, But if people wanna act like babies and embarrass themselves, they should be allowed to.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

There is room for everyone here...better to know someones thoughts on issues..Then have them hidden...Which happens so much outside my door..

[ZombieGamerMan]

BF 5 is a SJW pandering they themselves admitted to it when the leads came out and said they value inclusiveity more than authenticity for their WW2, and you know what they can do whatever they want with their game but we are going to call the out on it and those who choose to not support it for that reason will do so because they have that consumer right. Anywhere SJWs go they turn into cesspool but generally gaming sites are just cesspools anyway, only now it's a cesspool of non SJWs vs SJWs instead of PS3 fanboys vs 360 fanboys like the old days

[tehpees3]

GameFAQs is worse

[sampsonon]

what gets me are when people complain about having a female on the cover of FIFA or BFV game cover when what is being portrayed is accurate. Women professional soccer is governed by FIFA and women fought in WW2.

the women's 2015 world cup broke records for viewer ship n the States https://www.ussoccer.com/st...

and does this remind you of something? https://www.firearmstalk.co...

and https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

If it's fact, why complain? unless you're just spoiled from being the only one's represented in media and only having your story told.

Myself? i grew up watching white male protagonist like , Luke, Han, Superman, Spider Man, all Stallone, schwarzenegger, Ton Cruise ect.. and wouldn't change that experience for the world. So why is it that some people hate having women and people of colour staring in media? is it racism? for some I'm sure it is but i believe t comes down to owning all the toys in the toy box like a 3 yr old sitting on their butt crying because their mother gave one of their toys to another child to play with it, and they don't want to share.

Thank god the majority of people aren't selfish, racist and ignorant to facts.

[Einhander1971]

Most of the demographic on this site are immature teens I expect, who can’t have grown up debates. And can’t respect gamers like different games and systems. I myself have been suspended from this site for a few days because I retaliated to some comments. Therefore I was reported, but it seems some can get away with what ever they say.

[Hypnotic]

It's pretty easy to not read the comments.

[PUBG]

It looks like this article was written by an SJW, or rather a snowflake, who can't handle a discussion on the topic of a game set in WW2, and now would like everyone's opinions that he doesn't agree with to be silenced. Originally when I read the title of the article, I thought that he would be condemning the console war fanboyism on this site, but of course it had to be about something as stupid as peoples opinions on a game.

The problem is that this game is being advertised in a way that was not realistic for that period in time. People aren't being sexist, they just want the game to represent the real atmosphere, people and scenarios that were actually found in WW2, something more authentic. Generally speaking, DICE has been trying to produce the most authentic games based on warfighting ever since they started making these games, but they have now begun to charter a new direction that is completely politically motivated, in a similar way to how Hollywood has become completely political, in the liberal left wing sense.

For all the people who say "it's just a game", you are completely ignorant to the fact that video games, music, and film are used to influence young people, and help to form their political ideology, even if you don't realize that it is happening. Young people do not understand history, and they do not understand the almost complete control that the liberal left has over almost all media that we take in.

I'm perfectly fine with women in video games, and I completely encourage it, but only when it suits the narrative. In the Mass Effect trilogy, I played as a woman, and I loved all 3 games. I love the Tomb Raider series, I loved heavenly Sword. I loved the fact that you could play as Cloe in the Uncharted series, or that they have female operators in Rainbow Six Siege. The point is, that the liberal left is claiming that women and African Americans are being left out, creating a hysteria about a problem that does not exist with this whole inclusion and diversity nonsense.

The left makes like women and people of colour are being discriminated against by everyone, and then they try to make these people feel like they are victims. What comes next is the corporate response by big tech companies, who jump on board to virtue signal and try to give credence to the hysteria by the liberal left, buy trying to teach us 'lessons' of acceptance, diversity and inclusivity, by constantly pushing awareness through their games.

The problem with this is that I don't know anyone who hates to see women in games, or women playing games for that matter. In fact, most guys love seeing women playing video games. I also don't know anyone, who hates anybody based on the colour of their skin (BF1), but the outrage of the BF1 marketing was just the fact that people wanted to play an authentic WW1 game, which was a war between major European powers, Canada & the USA. This theater of war was fought by 99.9% white males(if you exclude the Asian theater of war with the Japanese).

It's just the reality of WW1 and WW2. Go watch any WW1 & WW2 documentary, and go look at any photos from that time period and then be honest with yourself and acknowledge that DICE is trying to make their games about those wars, something that they are not. BF1 and BFV are pure pandering and political correctness towards the liberal left ideology. It's a great way to pit people of colour against white people, and men against women. All this does it divide people.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Where was the outrage with Bf1? Battlefield was NEVER realistic, give it a rest. The issue is with the woman, you are a part of the problem. No one had an issue until a woman was shown, oh and BTW, there were women soldiers. You have issues.

[PUBG]

What percentage of the soldiers were women would you say? Maybe 0.5% or 0.25%? Please keep the insults coming, I love it, because it shows who you really are!

[Weeblordbad]

Yeah defibrillator paddles and syringes instantly healing soldiers was also something you saw all the time. Riding on the wings of planes like you do in 1942, or beaching air craft carriers on Midway.

If you want a realistic portrayal of World War 2 play Red Orcestra, the darkest hour(Western front) mod is great and the Japanese expansion is also great. Battlefield has never and will never be anywhere close to the games trying to be a sim.

[Rachel_Alucard]

People are only going to write what they think everyone will agree upon. The ones who make any attempts to deviate from the sites general opinions will get met with a barrage of disagrees which makes them think that their opinion is not the correct one. Like you can't say while you like x game there are many things you don't like about it. Theres no incentive to write what you believe because you feel like you're punished for it.

[frayed]

I have to admit the amount of support that pretty fringe views appear to have in comments sections has been rather shocking. I don't really care if people troll. Trolls will troll. But I do think that it's worrying when what I think most countries/ communities would call 'anti-social' views are becoming normalised, at least, among communities of 'gamers'. It gives gaming a bad rep.

Edit: having said that, I also don't agree with censorship, unless it's for keeping the content relevant or around abuse. People can make all the crappy arguments they want. The fact that it makes gaming communities look pretty awful is just a sad fact.

[ghostrider32]

Toxicity by System of a Down, was about the N4G community.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Battlefield is a series that has a giant Megolodon Shark....it was always over the top and never went for realism. On top of thise Females soldiers were a thing in WW2..Trolls making a stink about this now were ok with the realism before, whats different? Will a woman ruin your sexist perverted male dominant fantasies? Pathetic.
The trolls are acting liek they put a god damn mutant in the game, it's a woman gasp, do you dudes have Sisters/Mothers? You are a disgrace

[ajax17]

If you don't agree with someone's opinion click the disagree button and move on. No reason to cry over someone else's views.

[Smokehouse]

What are you suggesting be done exactly? Ban the abbreviation SJW? There are a lot of blind loyalties and ignorant fanboyism here. It’s laughable and dumb but it’s not hurting anyone.

Don’t read the comments. Or correct those comments with your own. Why get that upset about others comments?

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

No one is upset, it's called a discussion. What do you suggest ban all discussion?

[Smokehouse]

I’m not upset about anything. I roll my eyes at a lot of comments too but I’m not the one who says n4g has to change or it will tank.

That’s a pretty big claim and as a matter of discussion I’m asking what reasonable solutions you have? Or is this a rhetorical rant not meant for discussion? To me it sounds the ventilation of someone upset. “Fix this or I’m gone”. Okay, how would you fix it?

[RauLeCreuset]

The term is used almost (if not) exclusively as a pejorative. I've seen comments collapsed for using "Xbone." Comments are collapsed for using "Sony Ponies" or "Xbots." Why should this pejorative be given special protection?

Dropping into a comment section to rail against "SJWs" and the "SJW agenda" isn't about furthering discussion. It's about hurling insults. It gets to a point that the insults derail the discussion.

[Smokehouse]

Special protection from what? The “SJW agenda” is just an idea, it’s not attacking any specific user so what is the bannable offense? Do you think it’s right for comments to be collapsed for saying xbone? I don’t. I honestly don’t care about any of those words. People using those words probably aren’t going to be people I’m discussing with anyways.

So is that your solution then? Collapse comments with SJW in them will save the n4g comments section?

[2cents]

N4G.
Not 4 Gamers.
But if you want to join a cabal then you are in the right place.

[1nsomniac]

Amen brother!

[DillyDilly]

Another thing that can be done SEPARATE THE USERS ? Make them select ONE system that they are a fan of & they only see articles & comment sections based on that system ? Keep the fan bases away from each other

[bolimekurac]

no one cares about your rant, no one wants sjw in their games. i dont want caitlyn jenner in the next battlefield

[OffRoadKing]

Sounds like what you want is for the moderators to moderate as long as its inline with your personal way of thinking, I grant you people could probably state things better than they do but just as you have a right to dislike SJW comments others have a right to point out when things appear to be clearly SJW driven. These things are not just a part of N4G or gaming, its unfortunately become the very fabric of our society today and the people you can thank that for are the SJW's themselves. But at the end of the day its just a site on the web, you probably dont need it to make your life whole, if the comments here bother you there is a very simple way to resolve that.

[TheColbertinator]

N4G is fine the way it is.

[SegaGamer]

No it isn't. The fanboy arguments are unbearable on here. Every day, one of the hottest topics will have the same repetitive fanboy arguments.

It's from all sides too, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft fanboys, they are all the same, the only difference is the numbers supporting each side.

This site is a cesspool, and it has been for years now. It's only gotten worse too.

[CaitSith]

Good for you!

[bolimekurac]

this has nothing to do with which side gamers are on, this has to do with this forced inclusion bullshit thats going on or did we all forget we all almost had a third bathroom in our country. no one wants this forced inclusion in our games. this is not about woman in gaming so stop using that bs excuse, woman have always been in games and women have been the lead in many games. i can see another war game come out but for the sake of inclusion they will have caitlyn jenner on the cover along with the token black guy the token gay guy the token chinese guy the token handicapped guy etc... just for the sake of inclusion when it might not belong in that type of game. not that we have anyting against any of those things, us gamers just dont want that force fed to us like they do on tv , movies and media

[SincereCriminal]

Here’s the real truth. Gaming is no longer just white nerdy males. And that includes game developers. That is why you see these changes or what some people call wrongfully, pandering. In the bigger picture, it’s all about the money. At the end of the day if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Would I have preferred a little more authenticity in Battlefield V? Certainly. And yes women fought in combat roles during WW2, it just wasn’t allowed by the US and British forces. Other countries did allow it. But all that matters in the end to me is if it is fun. I think the same should be said by anyone that truly calls themselves a gamer.

[bolimekurac]

fun and forced political correctness in our games dont mix well

[00]

"Gaming is no longer just white nerdy males"
This right here is the problem. people who bring shallow identity politics into a discussion is why there is more volatile language being used, to point to someones identity in a demographic and act completely dismissive based on their identity is nothing but purposely divisive. And the like of what dice is doing is NOT about representation, because the people who preach using words like inclusiveness and diversity use it for nothing but moral exploitation.

coming from upper class (mostly white, far left, college "educated" ) people standing on a soapbox in their monolithic community lecturing others on how to be a good person like them. To draw attention to themselves so they can have there ego stroked and asses kissed, and feel like they are changing the world without providing Zero effort. It's fake and people are starting become aware of what language this parasites use and are starting to respond in kind.

If Battlefield V released 20 years ago nobody would care that there's a disabled woman in a war game but identity politics have made it the first thing people notice because the political correct nonsense of shouting sexist, racist, etc, from SJW to dismiss criticism is why there's this growing push back from normal people who are sick and tired of the lecturing from first-world brats.

[saimcheeda]

I've been on this site for 9 years and believe me it was way worse back then

[OG_TK_Cole]

Look at all the down votes in this comment section from him stating the truth in what he has written. The comment section of this site lives based on Opinions and disrespectful brand Fanaticism. I rarely see people debate their opinions in a logical healthy way around here. If I ever disagree with anyone, I give them my reasons why in a very adult like demeanor, never do i try to force my opinions down anyones throat. Admins and Moderators need to definitely clean up this website as best as they can, its has become very infested with vermin and trolls.

[Kostche]

**Look at all the down votes in this comment section from him stating the truth** smh

and? so people are not allowed to disagree with him? that they should accept what he says as their views?

you contradicte the words you write, if you want only the views you hold to be heard, then you are forcing the views you have upon another person

[OG_TK_Cole]

I think most of you are racist, but are to much of a coward to stand on it as men. And for the record I dislike both the Left and the Right, and Im far from a Beta Male. You couldnt grown up in my neighborhood (Brownsville, Brooklyn) and be a punk. The problem with most of you is, you all want things to stay the same, but facts show us daily that's impossible. Women play more videos games than men in 2018, why would you not try and develope video games that include them??? America is a melting pot, and a lot of you need to understand that Black People, Women, and people from the LBGT community arent going any where. And thats something all of us need to take in. There is nothing wrong with spreading equality within reason.

[LoveSpuds]

I feel this place went down hill quickly once they got rid of the bubbles system.

I showed respect to others, attempt to foster good discussion and was rewarded with more bubbles than I needed whilst the morons were left with just 1 comment to try and vent their bile and venom. Bring back bubbles I say.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

And just like that conformity must attribute because of sexism. When will people learn that the only reason this was posted is to steer you into one direction of thought if you go outside of the narrative questioning your masters. People scream conspiracy theorists, not even realizing they are a pawn in a large movie greater then we all can comprehend.

[Kostche]

Highly inappropriate comments that drip with ignorant sexism? so they are not allowed to have an opinion that the industry is pandering to sjw, feminists and beta males, but you are allowed to say people are sexists or ignorant? or whatever other edgy word of the week is?

right...smh

you know what the real problem is?

people like you that cannot deal with other peoples opinions/words regardles if they are wrong or right, none force you to read, none force you to comment on posts you deem violate the safe space you have around you and the views you might hold, but here you are asking for peoples views to be oppressed because they do not align with the ones that you hold

opinions of us all are just that OPINIONS

i think the views you have are BS and wrong, but you know the diffrence between me and you? i respect that you have the right to have them views and belive what you want regardless if i like them or not and would never ask for them to be silenced

[Realms]

N4G is no diffrent than any other site that allows people to express their thoughts, reddit is the same the issue here is that people mix politics, race issues, gender issues, social issues and try to infuse them into video games. Some developers do have agendas and yes entertainment has been used as a propaganda tool, I personally don't care about wether a game is historically accurate or not I don't even care if the protagonist is a women. The problem here is that many people think their opinion and world view are the only ones that matter.

[Arai]

It's not any worse than the pile of crap called Resetera, which is actually funny because everything they fled from is what they became in just couple of months from launch. Immature wannabe admins and mods that have jack for experience and hiding behind the admins, transgender and what you forcing their opinions on others because only they are right. Idiotic members which only believe in their own voice that double, triple posts and knows it all than anyone else. Now that piece of crap is a real cesspool, might want to spend time there more, N4G is rather pleasant compared to them I'd say.

[michellelynn0976]

What we can do is tell the mods and admins about these comments and articles. Some posts on here have blatantly broke some of the rules, but they were kept up for some reason. Go to You Tube, Facebook, Twitter or Instagram and see the sea of disgusting, bigoted comments aimed at people.

And the bigots have ammo now. If you stand up to them they will cry, "You're just trying to censor my free speech." No, harassment is not free speech and harassing others doesn't make you a pillar of freedom. It makes you a jerk. We gotta gang up and unite if we want to get things done on this matter. A certain group in here think they own the site and if the mods and admins keep turning a blind eye (I hope they are not), then it will only continuously to get worse.

[OffRoadKing]

What group is that exactly?

[michellelynn0976]

Your reply kind of tells it.

[michellelynn0976]

You know the group or you would not ask.

[OffRoadKing]

Asking a simple question in an effort to get you to explain your comment "kind of tells it"? It doesn't tell anything, but your response speaks volumes about you. Try not to lose your victim card ok.

[OffRoadKing]

So you're saying you're that obvious? I know you have a biased perception that's for sure.

[Mulletino]

Welcome to the internet! Nice of you to finally join us. Check out Facebook, Twitter, Reddit... it’s not just the gaming community that has people with opinions and others who want to silence them.

[MorpheusX]

N4G is a social media tool. This Society is a "Cesspool".

Is it N4G's fault that Society is a Cesspool? I agree that N4G is pushing an agenda, yes, but it's simply a microcosm of a much bigger issue.

Society is a Cesspool, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, in mind, body, & Spirit.

N4G is not the root of Society's problem's, it's 1 of the affect's or 1 of the symptoms of a cancerous society.

Each individual human being should look in the mirror, & ask themselves, have I become tainted, consumed by , & assimilated into that which I hate?

Yes.

I'm going to pause here,.... to go further, is simply going to fly over people's heads.

[Christopher]

If you don't mind, what agenda is N4G pushing? Or do you mean N4G as in the overall majority mindset of its users and not the people who run/operate the site on a daily basis?

[MorpheusX]

@Christopher

Your asking a question, and you already know the answer.

But , I'll play along Christopher.

N4G is a social media tool, it's own by Corporate/Governmental enities who push political ideas & incrementally indoctrinate the masses through these mediums.

The so called "opinion" pieces on N4G, that are meant to give the average ignorant consumer the idea of unbiasdness, are written by so called independent sources that subscribe to certain political views points/doctrines that further the agenda of these Corporate/Governmental enities.

Of course most consumers don't see this, may feel uncomfortable admitting it even to themselves, have apprehension for various different reasons, & will flat out deny it.

But whatever, ...I'm not here to stop anything, nor can I even if I wished to, however, not everyone is asleep @ the wheel, or unable to see behind the curtain, if you will.

You asked, you wanted to know if I really understood, or had the ability to get others to understand the agenda.

There you go, Christopher. And I'm only scratching the surface as you know I'm sure, but I'm not gonna waste my time talking about things that are not meant to be understood by the average consumer.

Like I said, I'm not some vigilante on some crusade to inform the public, it is what it is, & they get what they deserve. (ignorance is a choice)

[Christopher]

@MorpheusX

I don't know what to say other than I don't know what's scarier, that what you think is happening here is actually happening and no one knows but you and HAVAMedia (the small team of people out of Norway who own the site among others) or that you actually think that applies to an aggregate gaming site like N4G.

Content here is provided by your fellow users, approved by your fellow users, and commented upon by your fellow users. If you think that so many people are controlled as such, I don't know what to tell you. That's just something I can't argue with because it's beyond my comprehension as to how someone associates a gaming aggregate site with the Soros-esque conspiracies that spawn elsewhere which are already mind-numbingly-impossible to understand or follow.

[KozmoOchez]

It's time to give up the charade, he's(she?) found us out. We (the government) have been funding this place for years. It's important that the gamer demographic fulfill the needs of our political agenda or else we run the risk of losing this country to those pesky free thinkers who want everyone to live happily and equally.

Our days are numbered and the rich will no longer be getting richer and the oppressed will rise up and finally take us down. N4G is our last hope. @MorpheusX, I beg you to keep this between us, there's no telling what the liberals will do if word gets out. We'll do anything you ask.

-Illuminati Government Man

[Realms]

@ MorpheusX

Why engage people that have no clue of what you are talking about let them be ignorant meanwhile freedom keeps eroding away don't you know thinking is bad. I have zero doubts that there are programs specifically geared to introduce ideas, ideologies into the mainstream, people think mind control techniques are conspiracy theory lunacy have never even researched the topic.

[MorpheusX]

@Christopher

Maybe you understand, maybe you don't.

I'll just say, the Truth is stranger than fiction.

Your free to believe whatever you wish, I don't have a problem with that.

And yes, for the average citizen, it's hard to understand. But it simply is what it is upon further research.

Like I said , I'm not gonna waste time commenting on things that will inevitably fly over people's heads, life is to short for that, one understands or doesn't, it's whatever, & I'm indifferent to it.

On the surface, N4G is social media platform geared towards gaming hobbyist, & that's what most people are here to discuss, me too.

And I don't have a problem with N4G or Hava/Media group, I enjoy coming to the site, as I feel it's the best gaming site there is, & I've been coming here for years.

[ginganinja]

I believe the phrase 'fly over people's heads' may well be aposite. They definitely appear to be on a different, higher, plane to the rest of us.

[QuePasa87]

I almost never comment here. I basically just read some news, observe the overall ridiculous tone of comments, laugh in amusement and just carry on with my own opinions.

[Silly gameAr]

I don't care about race or gender in games. I care about playing a good game with good gameplay and a good story. If the protagonist happens to be a female with wild proportions and boobs that can not exist in the real world so what? If the protagonist is black, white, green or purple, I do not care. Just make good games, and I'll play the hell out of them.

This BF5 "drama" is just another thing that shouldn't matter. I just want BF5 to be great and not another borefest. Jeez.

I do think that the mods or admins should do something about the shills, PR peices, and slanderous articles on N4G though. N4G should be a place for News and real opinion pieces that drive discussion, and not a place to promote, or incite arguments among it's users. There have been pieces like that since I've been an N4G member, but not as bad as it has been recently.

[finite]

There are many other issues, mods are inconsistent when it comes to report ands restrictions, mods talk to you like shit or ignore you if they do not agree or understand something, articles get approved by the same people over and over making other articles from other sites being left behind. The same contort being approved with little no change, like posting a tilted screnshots, head to the article is the second articles as another one approved just with screnshots or a trailer. Mods also control content if they do not want it N4G when the site is community driven for site mods and administration driven.

[TheOttomatic91]

Whilst I agree that those attacking BFV for having a women is ridiculous, I’m glad that this site allows both SJWs and normal people to share their opinions. To many sites like Resetera outright ban articles and comments that don’t share their political views. Also if you want to talk about toxicity N4G is far from being the worst game site out there.

[Profchaos]

So people shouldn't have opinions if they differ from your own.

[47]

It’s a cesspool, but not for the reasons mentioned. The author is the problem. It’s one of the problems with gaming as a whole and the BF5 controversy proves it. People have made extremely well thought out arguments as to why BF5 is the most disliked BF in DICEs history yet the few comments talking about the overrepresentation of women get singled out. This is why you fail.

[ginganinja]

What 'well thought out arguments' could possibly have been made to distinguish BF5 as the most objectionable BF in DICE's history when all there is to go on is, literally, a two-min trailer?

[senorfartcushion]

I love it when an agree/disagree ratio helps prove a writer's point.

[anony-mouse]

Not taking a side in this conversation, but just pointing something out that some people appear to not understand:

N4G doesn't legally have any requirement to respect everyone's freedom of speech. It's a privately-owned site. Just like I can kick you out of my house if you say I smell funny, N4G moderators are completely legally allowed to censor comments. This isn't a public forum, it's an open forum taking place in a privately-owned-and-operated space.

Just talking legality. It appears that some people are saying that we all have an inalienable right to say whatever we want, and we do... to the point that N4G deems it acceptable.

I'm only pointing this out to the handful of people who are yelling about first amendment rights and freedom of speech. We, as a country, do better when we fully understand the strengths and limitations of the laws of our system.

[GamingInFrames]

I too have criticized Battlefield 5 on N4G, but N4G is obviously not alone. Anyone look at all the YouTube channels ripping Battlefield 5 apart? Even though I didn't care to hear the DICE GM finish up his statement the other day with those 2 words, diversity and inclusivity, I'm not in boycott mode, as DICE would have to take the SJW thing even further for that to happen.

[Psychosious]

To the moderator, bad language exists in the real world. Go back to your safe place...

[Christopher]

Rules also exist in the real world. Get out of your entitlement bubble.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

[MasterCornholio]

There's something called a TOS (terms of service). Either you follow it and enjoy what the site has to offer. If you don't you can always leave. There's nothing stopping you from doing that.

[VariantAEC]

Majority of the people OP is upset about aren't infringing this sites ToS.

[mezati99]

y'all crazy as f***

[Psychosious]

So I guess this guys opinion is better Han everyone else’s? Ffs the entitlement is ridiculous.

[Tetsujin]

Where were these articles back when 360 was considered "the thing?" I was around when the fanboyism was way worse, the SJW crowd was there but behind the scenes most of the time, and there was 2 separate comment zones because it was that bad. Now since one console is doing better than the other, all of the sudden it's a bad thing?

As far as this SJW thing, its nothing but over glorified trolling. The fact DICE has to defend their choice of gender/race of main characters is proof the gaming community as a whole is nothing but one big joke. If you don't like it, don't play it, that simple. The majority of comments is obvious trolling mixed with some constructive conversations.

[Lividgravy]

Just pickup a history book ww1 and ww2 over 100,000 woman served in the military I don't know why it's even a thing? And for all those cry babies facts don't care about your feelings!

[VariantAEC]

They weren't in combat roles.
Meaning that women but they didn't die in combat in the US or British militaries.

[Lividgravy]

I like it

[DrIDGAF]

Wouldn't have it any other way.

[iofhua]

Uh oh. Sane people triggered a snowflake author. We are bad and should feel bad.

Seriously it's PC social justice warrior BS. Women didn't fight in WW2. Women's rights and Unviersal Suffrage came later.

WW2 was the first time women were allowed to enter the workforce in mass. The men went to fight the war, the women worked in the factories. That alone was a culture shock to the societal norms of the time.

When insane SJW's engage in revisionist history the sane should rightfully speak up about it.

[Christopher]

The reason people might disregard your opinion is when you make false statements like "women didn't fight in WW2." Not many did, but a notable number did and many died for it. You can label it as just espionage or medical aid, but some women were shot and killed in battle just like the men around them and some were cought by the enemy and killed just like other soldiers or operatives. That is fact.

Battlefield V isn't going to be realistic, none of their games have been that, but to claim the extreme alternate thought that no women fought during WW2 is just as ridiculous if not moreso because it's real and not a game.

[_LarZen_]

Go read up on history. Women fought in WW2. Where they a tiny minority compared to men? Yes. But women fought. Died. Killed in WW2.

[TheDCD]

Seconded, thirded, fourthted...

[metalgod88]

I miss the days when games were just games. You buy a game, you struggle through it or give up and move on to the next one. Now it's like, "I've got a back log of 4k games people told me I need to play, but I'm going to keep playing the new ones, while at the same time, complaining that the new ones are over hyped.." Or, the "the graphics aren't that amazing so I'm just going to ignore it," or "the xbox one x is totally worth because it has way better hardware so I can enjoy my grand total of 3 upgraded games, which I already own on xbox one."

It's absolutely ridiculous. And then you throw in the hateful commentary towards developers, script writers, animators, 3d/2d artists, musicians..etc.. it's just out of control man. I can't blame a news outlet for not limiting this sort of thing, but people need to realize that actual people make these games. Actual people play these games.

So maybe, just maybe we can better ourselves, nay, this community as a whole, stay positive, and provide constructive criticism rather than attacking one another through the power of the internet.

[_LarZen_]

Things need to change! And the sooner the better. The commenting section need heavy moderation. And much stricter control on what articles etc is approved.

[SquareBurgers]

No great comedy on the web.

[Father__Merrin]

What's the issue with bf5 I must be missing something. If it's about a women protagonist there's nothing wrong with that.

If the protagonist was of a certain other type I wouldn't take to kindly to it

[babadivad]

File this under DUH.

[ClanPsi1]

"People claiming "DICE is shoving an SJW agenda down our throats", and you WILL read some variation of that comment, have become way too prevalent. They push that narrative as if they know that it is fact, when in actuality, they have no idea what they are talking about."
Just so you know, EA has said themselves very specifically that they included some elements into BF5 specifically to satisfy SJCs and to prevent them from launching another manhunt.

[ReBurn]

I kinda think that the worst "ism" on the site is fanboyism. I don't see a lot of racism and sexism in the comments. It's certainly less sexist than other forums I've been to. But say that you like the wrong console and you get downvoted to oblivion, even if comments are relevant and on topic.

In terms of content approval, I think that too much spam under the title of "opinion piece" gets approved. Anyone can post their blog and get ad clicks. I don't know how to fix it, but I think it would be good to be able to filter out unreliable sources.

[Christopher]

Content filtering is one of the biggest things I've communicated to the owners. It isn't possible with the current system but hopefully will be in the future. I want users to have as much control as possible as to the content they see on N4G.

[ReBurn]

Just being able to filter out opinion pieces would do a lot to improve the experience. A ranking system for sources might also help. As a non-professional site gets lower in rank the more approval votes it needs to be approved. Mods could verify legitimate sites so that they can be approved with 10 votes. It might make some of the low effort submitters work a bit harder.

[Imalwaysright]

Not allowing people posting and aproving articles from their own websites would probably help a little bit. In fact I think this was a rule when I joined this place but I'm not 100% sure.

[Christopher]

Approving content from a site you are associated with is not allowed, submitting your own content has never been an issue.

[MasterCornholio]

I really wouldn't pay any attention to die votes. They really don't mean anything. However if something replies or posts an offensive comment feel free to report it.

You can either use the report function or if it's a really serious infraction talk to a moderator about it.

[TheGamez100]

But this's all over the net lol. Trolling and opinions.

[WitcheRivia]

Is there an option to hide people's diaries from the front page?

[ElectricFeel]

I'm surprised it took this long for a topic like this to be made. I pretty much stopped visiting this site because of its toxic nature. Just constant arguing and trolling running rampant. Utter cesspool.

[Artemidorus]

SJWs have no place in video games full stop, they destory anything factual or historical for their own self centred, deranged gains.

At the same time people who get upset of a woman being the headliner can also not buy the game and best get use to equality in general.

[Skuletor]

This article is just scratching the surface.

[Chris_GTR1]

its a simple solution , just look at reddit. comments upvoted go to the top , fanboy comments go to the bottom. currently its all the fanboys posting first with some ridiculous comment.

[Christopher]

Insinuating that 'fanboy' comments are only the most downvoted is a fallacy. It also creates a system where 'popular opinion' has more sway and can see 'unpopular opinion' hidden entirely rather than openly shared and debated.

[Rodney25]

Just noticed?

[BeOpenMinded]

I like the thought behind this post. N4g can be a great resource for everything gaming but constructive debate is far from the norm. It's as much the gaming community here as the moderators IMO. Its rare for game articles to have sensible motives as the more popular articles are partisan. We are to blame as well for playing into this circle of vitriol and clickbait, it should be shunned but it's embraced by our clicks, comments, and reactions

[Angerfist]

It used to be a lot worse here during the early days of Gears vs Uncharted etc

[Wrex369]

I think y'all are all super sensitive and waiting for the next article to take your piss mark on so you can say you contributed to the liberal/conservative effort. It's sad. Reanalyze some crap and remove yourself from your bias and realize it's just fu***** gaming.

[Elda]

At times it can be,people are people,it is what it is.

[ShellB]

I just get my daily fix of game "news" and I bounce. No time for petty squabbles.

[FPS_D3TH]

Yup i tried to push those people criticizing BFV for its SJW content and it’s unrealistic portrayal of war with some facts like Battlefield as a franchise has never truly been authentic or even realistic (you can steal planes from an enemy mid air and revive from a C4 death) only for them to sidetrack with saying it hurts their authenticity. It’s a game. The fact this upset people because they don’t want to let some people feel included in the multiplayer is laughable but also alarming.

[VariantAEC]

This is about the single player campaign being a revisionist SJW festival instead of about WWII.
Also I don't remember being able to revive anyone in single player mode either.

[FPS_D3TH]

I don’t remember seeing any videos for bfV campaign either sooo save the forced SJW bullshit. Maybe my wife would like the option to not have to play as generic footsoldier 2 and customize an online multiplayer game experience. You’re getting far too rattled over a multiplayer tease. It’s a little sad and telling

[VariantAEC]

Dice defended their stance siting stories of WWII never told. I highly doubt that has any thing to with multiplayer.

https://blog.us.playstation...
Here are some excerpts:
"We also recognize that the depiction of WW2 has changed, for better or worse, in games since that time. Call it fatigue, oversaturation or what you will, we would not let nostalgia get in the way of our previous Battlefield 1 mantra – “untold, unplayed, unseen.”

"War Stories, our single-player experience from Battlefield 1, returns as another driving force taking you to play in unexpected places. One story takes players to Norway amidst the German occupation, where you will engage in the story of a young Norwegian resistance fighter. We designed each story with a fresh angle, palette, and gameplay to ensure that you are engrossed at every turn."

"It’s not enough to deliver maps and stories to merely play through – we want you to change the war and for the war to change you. We are doing this through your Company. This is where your Battlefield V journey starts. Create and customize how your soldiers, weapons, and vehicles look and play for a more personal as well as tactical experience. Soldiers can alter their faces, outfits, and warpaint to go with their class, archetype, loadout, and special skills."

So basically "War Stories" allows you to rewrite history...

[ion666]

#Save-N4g

[TheDriz]

Agreed this place is filled with just really dumb people. I guess including myself. I like the actual site but the people in here are intense.

[themodern_age]

I believe in freedom of speech; even if I don't agree with the sentiments expressed, they should not be censored.

[Tedakin]

I've said for ages that N4g is where gaming goes to die. It's poison. People post stories just to trash other brands they don't like rather than build up the ones they do. Articles that are completely designed to stir up trouble from sites no one has ever heard of are approved and posted daily. On and on.... N4g is a joke in the gaming industry and around the net..

[CaptainObvious878]

If you spent 2 seconds reading their arguments, you'd understand the vast majority have a problem with the obvious virtue signalling, it has nothing to do with a female skin.

I was fine with the trailer, but as soon as I heard the words "diversity" and "inclusive", I threw up a little. Those are blatant terms the sexist and racist SWJ community use. It's clear virtue signalling.

[grimmweisse]

You have no idea how much I smiled when I saw your opinion piece. I hardly ever come to N4G anymore and was just wondering if anything has changed and if the mods actually took things seriously.

What you stated is one of the main reasons I hardly ever visit N4G anymore. It is refreshing to see someone call out the mods or lack of! I used to comment years ago, but the comment section just became a cesspool of bile, angst, trolling and bickering where it just wasn't worth the effort. This site and its comments have been pretty much pro[INSERT GIANT CORPORATION NAME HERE] and when I called it out, a mod decided to message me about it because he/she didn't like it. There is no room for any serious discussion because as you said you'll instantly get replies like "LOL SJW BS"!

When the people who supposed to moderate actual content, filter out clickbait articles and make the site better care more about people calling out the BS the comment section and just ignore the rampant toxic behavior of some then it's best to move on. There are better gaming news sites out there.

I agree with you, N4G has the potential to be a great but it just won't ever be. N4G seems to be like the poormans Reddit for gaming mixed in some Steam that is filled with so much asset flipped content to gets approved. Also having a similar upvote and downvote system to Reddit, but at least with Reddit and popular subreddits the rules and guidelines are clear and the mods actually moderate if they are overstepped.

TLDR: Mods do your jobs!

[lociefer]

Listen, DICE are trying to appeal to the sjw side plain and simple.

Now, i hate sjw with a passion and sometimes diversity feels so shoehorned into games ( andromeda for example) and that hampers the whole experience for a lot of us.

We are humans and we can't all have the same opinion and that's fine .

Yes some folks do take it to the trolling territory and i used to do it sometimes when the news is ridiculous , but it all boils down to two opinions and you have to be cool with that.

[dauntingpixel]

So true. most people in this community are ridiculous. In fact there's a solid majority of ppl here who should be sterilized.

[trouble_bubble]

It’s kinda funny that some of the concern posting in this thread are from dudes that are a big part of the problem themselves.

Frack I’m not naming names but did I just see some brahs calling out the mods and N4G while they themselves been dogging David Cage, God of War, Ni No Kuni, Days Gone etc for weeks without repercussion? Y’all lucky!

Problem is you’ve got predictables. Same way you can predict a tom chick score, you can predict a shite disturber. When Dudes literally have gimmicks like “I hate anything not Japanese”, then barf it on off topic threads. Guys complaining about PSfanboys one second, calling people who like Cage games idiots the next. gtfo with that lol. Don’t even get me started on the “I bought all the consoles so I’m god” complex.

[Kyizen]

N4G isn't a new site it's a collect of articles and op-ed's from other sites which is why I love it.

[GrmpyolGamer]

This article appears to be calling for censorship. I don't like these peoples opinions so N4G needs to make sure they can't say it. If that does happen then this site really will become a cesspool.

[Daishi]

What people need to realize is that there is a middle ground. It's the one normal people live on. There is no far left or alt right, just left, right, and the middle. When you are on one of the sides there is no room for compromise and anything that doesn't please you is offensive. The middle is a great place, it's one where you can learn new ideas and CHANGE your way of thinking when presented with new information. We in the middle dont follow every trend and neither do we slander those that dont follow ours. It's because we are individuals whos identities and tastes are personal. We also see others choices as personal and not indicative of us as a whole. Cristisism is welcome to us because we grow and learn from it, but we also realize when it becomes chastizing instead. That great community of reasonable people are still here. You may not read comments from us all the time because we have lives beyond a keyboard, beyond social media, beyond the division of left and right. If there is one thing I know it's that the only solid ground is the middle.

[staticall]

I've seen some people asking for heavy moderation or to disable the comments section and i completely disagree with both of this statements.

You have to understand, heavy moderation works both ways. Some might have different opinion (different != wrong), but heavy moderation might remove the comment all together and some people will not see the «other side» of the argument. Or YOU might have a «wrong» opinion (according to someone) and it will be deleted as well. That is wrong. That's why this site have the «show» under Inappropriate comments and only spam is deleted.

About disabling comments all together, if they bother you so much, you might simply ignore them. It reminds me of George Carlin and famous «did anyone ever tell you there are two KNOBS on the radio?» quote.
And let's be fair, some comments are bad. But some show you different opinion, they share their experience about the topic, agree or critique the original article and it's great! Why you want to get rid of this? Because of some opinions you disagree with? Because you don't want to read other's opinions? Well, i want to read them. Why do you decide for me?

What features i think are missing from N4G right now:
- Option to vote to bring back appropriate comments that were marked as «Inappropriate» (it doesn't mean all «Inappropriate» were marked wrongly);
- Option to filter my personal news feed (NOT everyone elses), for example - i don't want to read about «tech» on a gaming website or the Top 10s, but that's just me. And, maybe, blacklist certain websites (so ONLY i will not see them), like i don't enjoy the über progressive sites (new normative, for instance).

That is all. Thanks for reading!

[HaVoK308]

You Must Conform N4G! You must bend to the will of the mighty SJWs! If you’re stupid that is. N4G has outlasted them all. Why do you think that is? Embrace what got you to this point. True Free Speech.

[VariantAEC]

Right! There's a reason why N4G is being attacked by the SJWs now.
Because they knew it would be an uphill battle!

[Psytrix]

Boohoo... people don't agree with my opinions and thought policing.... reeeeeeeeeeee - Get over it.

[dauntingcookie]

This should not have been approved just as all the opinion pieces shouldnt be approved. I dont know about everyone else but I dont click the opinion pieces because they're a joke...except for this one because this issue is tearing apart the gaming community.

I was let down by the BFV trailer and am disappointed in how they presented the game. No, it is not because I am sexist; I honestly do not care that there are women in it. The reason I was let down is because of how outlandish they made the game seem. A prosthetic arm on the front lines just laying waste was obnoxious. It was like a Mad Max film. The war paint was just as ridiculous. Before anyone starts with "It's a videogame it doesn't need to be realistic" I don't care about realism either but that just wasn't the Battlefield I have grown to love. I was all excited to try and get some of my buddies to embrace Battlefield instead of COD and this is the trailer I had to show them.

The N4G community is not a cesspool. I see people recommending games everyday and having cordial discussions and debates. This BFV thing just turned people against eachother like it was the presidential election.

Let's just move beyond this and start to focus on E3. It is in less than 2 weeks and Bethesda said the conference will be their longest yet. Comeon people get freaking excited. Also, if you do not have a VR yet you need to get on it. Superhot and Resident Evil 7 are unreal experiences.

[PrinceVegeta]

Gotta agree with the toxic comments, having an opinion is one thing and its fine, but bashing and fanboyism is not an opinion.

[D0ffy]

This really needed to be said, and I couldn't agree more. The amount of insecure, fanboy keyboard warriors on this site is insane.

[2ndhandcorn]

I think it has been , movies, comics and games pushing this trash down our throats, just look at the attacks on Jawbreakers comic it is bizzare . I used to fall for alot of SJ crap but i left Facebook 5 years ago and then realised the lack of outrage about people being outraged is outrageous.

[Geobros]

I like N4G for his freedom of speech! Because this gives me the opportunity to read your honest comments about N4G and the moderators.

Ii is true that the job of a mod here is huge, he has to control all of the stories submitted and......the comments of each story. We do our best but it is not possible to control all this content. As someone said, we are volunteers and we do that because we like N4G. We cannot be 100% fair all the time by we are trying. There always will be stories with errors approved by the community, this is why we are asking for your help.

[cheetah]

I have been coming here for 10 years and no one pointed out the SJW crap then because it didn’t exist as much. These days it’s painfully obvious that the entire entertainment industry is full of virtue signalling SJWs, we don’t care if there is a female lead, a black lead, a transgender lead etc, just give us a good product and quite building the game/movie around the virtue signalling and constantly talking about it........yeah just stop talking about it.

[EpicFruityPie]

@thekhurg Really just because they're female miss out on a title like horizon zero dawn for that reason or many more games that statement is pathetic

[360ICE]

Agreed in every single way. Always thought that moderators and content on this page is horrid. It has a certain addicting quality to it, but that's really it. Would like more actual news, less people exploiting cosplay thumbnails for clicks.

[VariantAEC]

Agreed with all but your first sentence there.

[AngainorG7X]

The worst thing in this website is the upvote/downvote system. Obvious trolls from either side downvote opinions for no reason. There has to be a way for the mods to monitor accounts that go to a Playstation, Xbox or Switch article and downvote upside down every positive comment for that specific brand. I mean this happens to all sites to be honest but if N4G wants to make a difference it should really take a look at this. For example a solution to that issue is to force (yes, force) users to write a reason why they downvoted a specific comment. That automatically will stop trolls from downvoting comments with no reason. Imagine a troll that intentionally wants to downvote all the positive comments in an article and every downvote needs an explanation! This action will make a healthy comment section.

[nowonmai]

off topic but listening to ffvii battle theme for john bain.. and ya i know he wasn't even into rpgs but it just came to me

[XentaJones]

I would not say N4G is a cesspool, its a pool of opinions from users, some are not good from someone else's perspective and visa versa, understanding someone else's opinion is something everyone needs to learn to understand or ignore and speak to them constructively not in a way which gets them infuriated and just makes the situation worse. There is no point in pointing at groups like SJW's or even fans. Fans can be pleasant, some fans can be the other way around and flamebait. Sometimes it is best to ignore and do not antagonise them by adding fuel to there flame and simply do not comment just ignore them.

What I have seen from the site and its mods is something else.

1. Mods talk to your like shit, and do not talk to you professionally at all, this goes for Geobros and Emilio Estevez, you expect a profession reply, regardless of what you message them. You could message them something odd, strange dumb, you still deserve to be treated with respect back.
2. If you look at some content being pushed through, they are being pushed through by the same people, meaning there are groups working together to get content through faster, this does not help other sites trying to get a piece of the pie.
3. Mods and Admins can also choose to remove content at their leisure - making the whole idea of community-driven content total rubbish " Christopher comment above 'Content here is provided by your fellow users, approved by your fellow users, and commented upon by your fellow users.'
4. Mods should treat each report and everyone as equals, but they do not, each can decide to do what they feel like, at any time, this is seen by how they dish out restrictions.
5. Mods can create rules from out of thin air like Opinion articles need to be 400 - 600 in length and content can be OLD when the product has only been announced within the last 48hrs, yet many more articles around the same product still get approved. (We found out that the article was removed because admin felt it was not suitable for N4G, taking away the whole idea of community approval and community-driven aspect.
6. You say you prefer official websites for news, this was seen in the latest Far Cry 5 DLC announcement. The press release was given out, includes loads of information, the mods changed it to the official website after a report, the official website did not provide half the info in the press release. The contributor was told, by the Mod, where possible we prefer to use an OFFICIAL WEBSITE for news. Many Game Devs now put their announcements on their own sites, so would that mean the majority of press announcements we sites get and we post on here, need to be linked back to the game devs site and not ours?, or was this another, I run N4G I do and say what I feel.
7. Content is and titles on the site sees the same content being pushed through, say for example some creates a title 'The Inner space out now' then another person comes along and creates a title 'The Inner space screenshots', both content will include the same news when you go to the respective sites.

So on a final note, I would like to see ALL mods start learning to speak to everyone professionally this inc's admin, you own and run a website treat your contributors with respect since we make you the money. Treat everyone equal and fairly and stop allowing the same content through just because someone says new screenshots or trailer when its the same damn content already approved through.

Contributors including me are not perfect, but to guide us the right way we need your respect as well, not power hungry mods that can treat people with contempt and disrespect.

[ginganinja]

N4g has always been a cesspool. Anyone taking this place seriously should take a long hard look at themselves.
It's, allegedly, stands for 'News for gamers' but as there's barely ever any news it's filled with self-promoting sites pushing their own content. You get;
The same piece pushed by ten different poorly written sites and not one of them actually responsible for the original interview.
Opinion pieces, again poorly written, which add nothing new but stretch out 'controversies' long after their shelf life.
Articles from sites like Kotaku or Polygon, where half the comments are, 'Urgh, this site....'.
And the always hilarious, 'here's a random girl who made a half-assed attempt at cosplay with her tits hanging out, so we can claim censorship when you tell us to gtfo because I (Fedora Fred, TheFF) struggle to write a coherent blog so filling it with soft-porn will hopefully make up for it...'

[fedex78]

"extremely poorly written." says the guy that writes "Their aren't enough of them".

[jokerisalive]

no different from other sites in certain ways...its the internet and people will always clash or have different opinions and that will not change just to make someone feel better about themselves.

[Neonridr]

so are we upset that nobody wants to discuss SJW matters? I am still trying to understand the point to this "post". I mean I get that there are toxic comments sections for plenty of posts, depending on the topic it covers, but are we really only crying now?

[NXFather]

I don't have a problem with women in this game but, the voice irks me a little. The robotic stuff well. This won't be the last WW2 game so. Now if she had more of an Alicia Keys voice, British or I'll kick your butt myself voice then I would like the presentation better.

[jc12]

All voices should be heard, but this site - like many - does have issues. For a long time now N4G has been plagued by rampant ps4 fanboyism. It's so bad that it typically snuffs out any attempt at mature dialogue.

One more thing, DOWN VOTING SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS SITE. If a comment is well-written or contributes in a mature way, the option to upvote it should exist ala AVS Forum. On the other hand, if it is inflammatory, way off topic, or immature, it should be flagged and removed. But just because a comment constructively criticizes someone or something - specifically PS4 - does not mean it has no merit and should be downvoted into oblivion. Downvoting is a tool used to reinforce preferred narratives on this site, often silencing those who have something valuable to contribute. It's gotten ridiculous.

[SarcasticDuck]

funny, my experience here is that people can't take a joke or don't get i'm being sarcastic (despite having it in my name) as if N4G is just a site used by sensible SJWs (just to be clear, i don't troll, i just make innocent jokes that people here take it as my honest opinion or something).

[KillBill]

No N4G does NOT have or ever had the potential to be a good video game news site. Because it panders to the lowest denominator and always has.

[Chaosdreams]

I sure missed the discussion on this one. But, well said. I agree.

[Fist4achin]

It has gotten worse and I love everyone's bravery over the anonymous internet. So many wimps that would get ktfo saying the stupid crap they say online...

[madjedi]

Hmm it's almost like we were playing with female characters long before the internet and virtue signaling was a thing.

You people do realize that people had no real problem with ethnically diverse or female characters, until the gender and race Marxist started badgering the living shit out of average people with accusations of racist, sexist ect till they complied.

Would rather have "childish" fanboys than the brown shirts wanting to censor everyone and everything like resetera and neogaf not long ago, all in the name of diversity and inclusion while doing the exact opposite.

The one good thing about the fanboys at least they don't try to morally berate you to bend to their agenda, they are just a straight up assholes, not a two faced pseudo intellectual smug elitists. If the choice is between gamers are dead types activists or bickering fanboys, I know who I am choosing every time.

Maybe if toxic masculinity narrative wasn't not being pushed on all fronts by the media and entertainment and academia so forcefully, you would not see as many guys push back on stuff like this.

It is interesting how you fully ignore the cause of all this drama, the culture war being pushed by the progressive left on every aspect of society. So you despise 100,000's to millions+ of people you have neither meet nor had any contact with whatsoever.

What is the old phrase "only a sith deals in absolutes".

[TheHan]

I couldn’t agree more

[Tankbusta40]

It's only a cesspool because people have a different opinion than the author does? Makes total sense in 2018!!!

[Jbmeadows]

No arguments here. They're also thieves. Stole a friend of mine's work when they submitted it to this site and claimed it as their own.

[coolbeans]

But we're an aggregate news site. What did N4G steal? Was someone's stolen work submitted and approved on here? And are there any timestamps we can assess that you have to validate this claim?

[Jbmeadows]

The story went that they submitted on here. Details were altered to give the article to someone else. It was a breaking news piece. I'd have to ask them for more information because it was months ago.

[coolbeans]

Well I would appreciate that, if it's not too much of a hassle. Now...I'm not the biggest mod in respect to submissions, but I do see the others going back & forth on certain submissions sneaking in, what qualifies as enough 'new info' to be its own, you get the idea. Perhaps this may genuinely be a nuanced case that your friend's article butted heads with one of our guidelines (further detailed in Christopher's blogs) or perhaps it may be a case of us being in the wrong. I don't want to jump to conclusions.

[ObviousGoldfish]

Interesting point.

[ballisticvoodoo]

Boo hoo, the author doesn't like opinion. Go cry about it in a safe space. smh.

[Fritzwochel]

Gaming falling pray to SJW is an important topic. Turd slinging cannot be avoided.