Modern Warfare 3 Multiplayer Will Borrow Gun-on-Gun Feel of CoD 4, De-Emphasize Verticality of MW2

A reduction of the number of so-called hotspots on the multiplayer maps of Modern Warfare 3 will alter and accelerate the flow of action in this fall's installment of the Call of Duty franchise juggernaut, one of the game's creators told Kotaku this week in New York City.

[fluffydelusions]

I shall reserve judgement until I actually play it. Same goes for BF3.

[crematory]

post of the day

[blumatt]

This actually sounds good. I hope they emphasize more the players using guns against each other than having an airplane or helicopter above getting you like 10 or more kills each time. I liked how in CoD4 you had to EARN more of your kills and, while there were your occasional airstrike or helicopter, they were more easily taken down. And they didn't stay in the air for like 2 minutes like they did in MW2.

[MSpence516]

@blumatt

"Earn" kills in Cod4? I suppose you don't remember that kill streak kills counted towards other kill streaks. I remember when people would get a chopper and kill themselves, hide and call out said chopper to allow it to get kills and then repeat the process.

[ilikestuff]

well theyre smart enough to try to make it more like cod4. thats a pleasant surprise. now if they can pull it off. cod4 was in my opinion the best online ive ever played. thats me though.

[DarkTower805]

Yeah, I'm renting first. My Robert Bowling bullshit meter is still broken from MW2. The maps from COD4 are still the best of the COD series imo. If they go back to that style and get rid of the bullshit MW2/BO killstreak system I'll be happy.

Oh, and give me my AK74u from COD4, not the gimpy version in BO.

[badz149]

Keep hyping it up! Maybe eventually you guys can come out with a game that is not crap for once!

[starcb26]

Going back to their roots sounds great to me, hopefully they don't mess up.

[WANNAGETHIGH]

@fluffydelusions If i could give u 100agress i would...People r just hyping BF3 to b like the second coming of jesus and trolling every COD article.

[RedDead]

"BF3 to b like the second coming of jesus"

You must understand, it IS the second coming of Jesus

Although in reality Jesus was a bum

[SephirothX21]

Aside from being fictitious, Jesus did many good things.

At least they're trying to respond to the wants of the fans but I won't believe it until I play it.

[solidboss]

correction
SKYRIM is the second coming of jesus =)

[adamant715]

More like post of the year.

[wsoutlaw87]

so they are making it easier, really.

[Trunkz]

Why not Re-release CoD4 and just call it MW3?

[Ascalon94]

tbh MW2 and prolly 3 have been expansions to 4

[snipes101]

I really hope the maps on here are less claustrophobic and corner laden than the ones in MW2 and BLOPS. They made the game into a thoughtless sprintathon bloodbath. Make the maps more like COD4 and give me a good campaign and I'll be happy.

[kparks]

all i think about when i hear of more building levels i think about campers hiding in corners

[Raven_Nomad]

Sounds amazing as always. Glad we get to utilize XBL party chat once again. Better communication between myself and my clan/teammates is always a good thing. November cant get here fast enough.

[Inside_out]

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Lots of great links there if any one wants to follow them...they basically say the same thing, COD MW3 is going to be EPIC and undeniable.

Black ops sold 7 million copies in 24 hours and took a whole 6 weeks to make a BILLION...lol

I hope they ignore the haters and stay in line with what made the franchise a Battlefield/MOH destroyer...great game play. Well done Activision, you deserve it. John Ravioli at EA is in the fetal position somewhere right now...lol.

[blumatt]

"Black ops sold 7 million copies in 24 hours and took a whole 6 weeks to make a BILLION...lol"
Please tell me one good reason why and how that makes it a good game. Just one reason. I mean, of course, it's good they sell alot to make their development money back, but to you and me, gamers, why should that matter? I'll probably end up getting MW3 if they go back to their CoD4 roots, back when it was pure fun and took more skill and not just calling in perks all the time. I just don't understand why people tout CoD selling XX million copies when it means nothing to us as far as quality goes. I'll also be getting Battlefield 3 though, a game that touts quality and not sales. They're both good games, but one has a fanbase that is absolutely OBSESSED with sales.

[BubbleSniper]

you're a fool. take your imaginary billion and shove it.

[Snowii]

i swear if they will put ghost again...

[JeffGUNZ]

I know. They need to reduce the camping perks. They really need to mirror it like COD4 or else it will just be a giant let down again.

[Snowii]

also make some decent maps

to many corners on black ops

[Cablephish]

And get rid of coward perks like marathon and lightweight. I hate seeing an enemy kill one of my allies and run away with both of those perks.

Yeah and remove any angles that are 90 degrees or smaller.

[TekoIie]

I think lightweight should stay in since it makes sense and is fair for players who use shotguns (if they're like the ones in BLOPS) since it helps close the gap quicker between you and the target. But marathon has to go, its not overpowered or anything like that but it just allows players to get a vantage point quicker at the start of a game which isnt fun to go against...

[Yo Mama]

@cablephish

God, you all need to stop whining. Learn to play the game with the perks that are there for you to use. There is always a perk that is going to get used that seems like it may be unfair, but guess what. The beauty of it is that almost every perk has another perk to counter it.

You can't bitch and moan and expect them to take out every damn thing you disagree with. If so, they should just take out every weapon while they're at it. Have us run around and melee people with our bare hands. There are always going to be strength and weaknesses of each item in a game.

I may curse and get mad at people who kill me using heartbeat sensors, thermal etc, but I know that once I get tired of getting killed by them I can change loadouts to counter it. If they are going to take anything out, it should be something that is truly unfair and that would be "no scoping". You can't shoot someone in real life if the damn sight isn't on the target.

The moral of this reply is:
Stop being whiny pussies and learn to adapt.

[JeffGUNZ]

@ yo mama

Obviously you haven't really played COD4 that much because that installment had perfect balance with perks. Perks are great, but when you cater to casuals (ie death perks) and whatnot, it ruins the balance. No one is complaining about perks in general, it's just the implementation of new perks to the series that take the game away from its roots.

You could lose your leg and adapt to having one leg, but that doesn't mean it's something that we have to enjoy and love.

Also, this is a comment section about an article that has this in its body. This is the perfect forum to discuss our opinions about the matter.

[Yo Mama]

@ JeffGUNZ

"No one is complaining about perks in general, it's just the implementation of new perks to the series that take the game away from its roots."

But it IS a new game in the series. There should be new perks as well as a mix of older ones. If you want and expect every new game to play like the original COD 4, you should probably just play COD 4 instead.

[JeffGUNZ]

yo mama

You're missing the point and even IW has come to a realization on what has actually driven the original success of COD4 and it wasn't the fire and light show that they tried to add to MW2. It's wasn't the over-the-top perks and killstreaks. It was focused more on the players ability to outgun another player. A lot of the time in MW2, the airspace is so crowded you can't call in some killstreaks. It's a little excessive. Choppergunner, pavelow, etc kind of perks that limit the playability. Whenever a choppergunner is called in you can't really compete and get out in the open to move towards anything. Things like that have ruined to core experience. Sure, add new perks and killstreaks, but keep them simplistic and less of the over-the-top stuff they had before.

[zeddy]

your're worried about ghost pro being in the game?! how about second chance?! ghost pro is good for hiding from air support and i've never encountered anyone who is that good at camping with ghost, i'll always get them. second chance is good for being cheap and annoying even after the patch.
lets face it you have to be a 10 year old to use it. if they put second chance or final stand or anything similar in the game i wont buy it.

[Sillyace92]

Good thing is they confirmed Last Stand/Second Chance is not going to be in the game. So happy about that

[f789790]

I ran into someone good. They would keep moving to every dark spot on the map with a shot gun. He would always have a sniper rifle as a primary weapon so all you got to see was a bush on the ground that turned out to be him crouched.

[Kee]

I just get annoyed at ghost if I go to the bother of calling in recon and decide to sprint around a corner only to find someone with ghost right in my face because I didn't think there was anyone there because I've been looking at the map.

Second chance is the noobiest perk ever concieved. The people who use it don't deserve a freaking second chance.

[JeffGUNZ]

I am waiting till I see more, but he did excite me that he realizes what made COD4 amazing was the simplicity. You had to handle your guns well and you had to be a good shot. In MW2 and Black OPs, gun to gun play is minimal since every second their is air support and what not. I really hope they dumb down the killstreaks and bring it back to it's roots. If they can do that, I'll give it a shot.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

I agree. The reason why I havent bought a COD game since 4 is because of all that crap they added. It always seemed like it was just a bunch of ways to get kills without having to aim, unlike COD4.

CoD4 took skill and was much simpler. More competitive IMO too.

I hope they take out all the super easy kill streaks and things like heartbeat sensors, and bunches of nade launchers/double shotguns and weak stuff like that.

[JeffGUNZ]

100% agreed man. Couldn't have said it better.

[DoctorXpro]

100% agreed

CoD needs to have Gun-on-Gun Feel, I'm tired of smi auto killstreaks, you press a button and chopper/harrier etc does the job -.-

[Kee]

Then my question to you would be "How do you know the game has gotten less competitive if you haven't bought it?"

I think being able to choose your killstreaks offers the player a tactical decision that I think the game really needed.
-Do I go for the 11 kill streak that I might not actually get?
-or do I put on the 3 lowest killstreaks and have UAV running all game to help out my team?

After all, not everyone wants to mow the whole team down with a chopper every time they get 7 kills.

And that's not all, you can have different set ups for different game modes. If you play team deathmatch then you know you'll have a different setup from when you play search and destroy.

What I hope to see in the next game is greater XP rewards for playing the objective. Make people want to accomplish the objective instead of just running around killing people because people seem to feel liker they've won even if they lose as long as they get a K/D ratio of greater than 1.

A guy could be talking to me like "Yo, man I'm 1337 and I pwned your ass"
And I'd reply by saying "But my team won the game. Dumbass" Who's the better player?

Anyway, sorry for the ranting. I look forward to seeing what they do with it.

[mll09]

I don't know what to think, at the end of the article he talks about making it for the hardcore players when there are so many things that care for casual players? I like COD, I just think there's a lot of contradiction going on there.

[Shmotz]

Glad to hear the news.

[sickbird]

Im going to be enjoying both mw3 and bf3 this fall. not being a fanboy rules!

[Sinterfire]

Yup I'll be buying both MW3 and BF3.

[Urrakia34]

Just because someone doesn't buy/enjoy CoD or BF doesn't make them a fanboy.

[DanSolo]

Yeah Fanboyism is just retarded! I think the idea to be able to enjoy them both if you choose is the only sensible one!

I personally have grown bored with COD and play BF:BC2 all the time, but I don't get all the hate for COD.... it is easy enough just to play the game you want and leave other people to play the one they want.

I can understand people not liking the glitches, overpriced DLC ect... but still... how easy is it to just say "I've had enough of this" and just move on?

[Fruit Loops]

i dont know what to get....
and with so many games i want coming out this fall i have to pick one or the other (BF3 or MW3)

guess i have to wait and see....

[bigboss911]

wait... did he just say the killstreaks are going back to the cod4 style? That's what ruined mw2, camping for killstreaks. I tell you what, I wasn't going to buy this. But i just might if it turns out to be a fine tuned cod4. Uav, counter uav, airstrike, heli, and carpet-bomb should be the only killstreaks. I kinda hate what cod and its fanbase has become, but something about Cod mp maps really excite me. I don't know why.

[El Nino]

"Modern Warfare 2 stripped the game of its Party Chat because it made it easier for 'boosters'"

and introduced tactical insertion.....

genius.

however if this is more like cod4 than mw2 (looks like bowling is hinting at that) then that is the best thing i've heard since mw3 was announced.

[maxmill]

not wasting my 60 bucks on this crap

@ below

.........

[sickbird]

Thanks for the heads up...

[fullymoated]

Did everybody hear? Maxmill isn't buying this game. He wanted everyone to know.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

well its good to know that you will be wasting your time telling us how you are not going to get this.

[rmx687]

As annoying as hiding spots and verticality are, cutting down on them is a mistake. Black Ops did it and after a few months of play, you know exactly where everyone is coming from, the gameplay loses a lot of freshness. I think they're sacrificing their game in order to avoid the flamers on message boards hurting their feelings. And that's not good.

The game's going to sell 20+ million copies anyway, might as well make it something that stays fresh for a whole year.

[Paralex]

Treyarch started the whole complex map design back in WaW. Verticality and hiding spots are in all Black Ops maps, which is why it's so slow paced. Verticality causes camping which means people often go to the same spot on the second or third floor just to get killstreaks. It's boring, this is why Black Ops is boring. People want to hide in their little corners and play slowly. IW and Treyarch's goal is to create a fast paced shooter. If they add anything to the game that will slow it down, then they have failed. Which, IMO, has happened in MW2 and Black Ops. Going back to CoD4-styled maps is possibly the best thing to do. Bad players will no longer have the advantage, they'll now have to actually learn how to not play like a p*ssy. This benefits veteran CoD players and novice players. Novice players have less to worry about in terms of lines of sights and veteran CoD players can finally stop getting annoyed. The point is for people to stop saying "Screw Black Ops/MW2, I'm going back to CoD4!" and actually stick to the new game.

[trenso1]

back to cod4 roots? i can only hope so they better do some balancing and have a perk like ghost that isnt a waste. of time what the point of getting it pro if im still seen on a blackbird? also why do they feel the need to say 60 frames per second on every interview. we get it! you have more fps than bf3 so what who care frames dont matter to me gameplay does and cod is lacking in that

[jaymart]

From Article

"Modern Warfare style is, for me, all about the high-speed, fast-paced—and I'm talking in terms of smooth controls and 60-frames-per-second framerate.

Another jab at BF3. Also most humans can't see more then 30fps so who gives a fuck about your 60fps,it's useless.

[MyNameIsNotRick]

"most humans can't see more then 30fps"...What about Dragons, can they see more than 30fps?

Film is 24 fps and video is just under 30 fps. Can you tell the difference? Have you ever watched a british television show? It's 25 fps and you can tell if you pay attention. No, you don't see the individual frames, but the feel is much different.
60 fps feels more responsive to most people.

[f789790]

Most humans can't see more than 30fps??? Is there some super eye gene I have then?

No. If you put 2 videos side by side running at 30fps and 60fps everyone on earth could see the difference. If we couldn't why would certain devs even bother making games at 60fps to please just a few special people?

[Bladesfist]

I play on pc so cod if it runs like mw2 will be at 100 fps and battlefield 3 if its like BC2 will run at 80fps all maxed out. This argument is invalid to me.

[CaptCalvin]

So the "big feautres" that need "revealing" are the improved spawn points and chatting? Who do they take me for???

[Bonobo12345]

MEH..

[maverick1191]

killstreaks ruin COD dogs, chopper gunner, nuke, blackbird you can sit still and let the killstreaks do the work for you

imo cod 4 had it right as although the chopper did your damage for you they kept it simple with only 3 5 and 7 killstreaks

i hope cod mw3 goes back to this but like all of you have said cod is full of false promises
:(

but bringing party chat back to SnD is a no no the games already unbalanced as it is dont make it worse

im getting it but my friends buying it for me i won a bet on him and the prize was free MW3 so....

[Simco876]

Don't compare the two games BF3 with MW3.. totally two different games.

Get BF3 if you like vehicle tactical combat
Get MW3 if you like more of a arcade shooter

That simple, making comparisons are stupid. Get the game you're going to play the most

[XboxInnovation]

Don't believe this hype. These community guys are paid to hype the game, and this guy knows the hardcore community is down on CoD and he is trying to get them hyped up for MW3, because the hardcore crowd dictates how popular CoD will be in the future.

"Let me rub the private parts of the hardcore players"

[wenaldy]

At first was like "woohoo...day one buy!!!!111111"

But then "****** game, i will never buy this game again!!!"

Rinse and repeat.. I cant wait to hear those comments..

[Bladesfist]

I said crap game on black ops and im not buying this game. Ill put it on my steam wishlist and if someone gifts me it fair enough.

[theonlylolking]

Most of the peeps I know want to see what sledgehammmer and new IW are going to do with COD. At least that would be the only reason why I would get it.

Treyarch is just crap. I am not buying any game made by them again.

[XboxInnovation]

And how can they go back to their roots when 90% of their roots were fired last Spring and are now working for EA and making a Sci-fi shooter?

[Undeadwolfy]

Hahaha epic comment! +bubs

[darren_poolies]

I will more than likely get MW3 and Battlefield 3. But it will be MW3 first just because of the fact that I prefer the more frantic fast-paced style of COD and more of my friends will get it. People can disagree with me all they like but that is just my preference.

Also as much as I love the simplicity of COD4, I think it will be a step backward stripping away the killstreak rewards and what-not.

[MyNameIsNotRick]

I think he was just saying less air type killstreaks. Doesn't matter either way if your good:) I agree about playing with friends and I will be getting both also.

[adamant715]

Can't wait to play both MW3 and BF3. I just started BF2 last night and its incredible

[lugia 4000]

There it goes, more hype until the bucket of expected shit comes.

[Hazmat13]

come on G36E!!!

[Ember6940]

Call Of Duty 4 was and still is my favorite FPS of all time, if MW3 can make it more like COD4 but also add new features, then I will be so happy, November I am going to buy MW3 and Skyrim, and then save up for BF3 since I'm a little tight on money.

[Gordo789]

This headline should read: "Modern Warfare 3 will yawny yawn yawn yawn who the fuck cares."

[fullymoated]

This article rose to 400 degrees in less than an hour, so it seems a lot of people care

[brandonb21]

we will see when they show muitplayer to the public in the up coming months

[Nforca93]

Sounds like this is going to be a really boring game..

[Takoulya]

I *would* like this, but the fact that CoD 4's gunplay (just as the later installments') was based on good internet connection and reflexes rather than thought-out plays. Still, good to know that their going back to what was so good back then. If they do something about the issues I mentioned, I might be interested in getting MW3 after all.

[bloodybutcher]

we see lots of people complaining and criticizing COD,saying that they will not buy it.again.then COD will get record sales.again.few months after some of the people that were first complaining,then bought the game anyway,will say that this is it,MW will never find a way to their houses again.AGAIN.i will play MW3 at some point,i will definitely get BF3 as well.COD is fun in small doses,you can just run around like an idiot(well that is what i do) and shoot anyone you see.no mic,no tactics,just silly fun.with BF i will have mic,work with my squad and don´t give a rat´s ass about my KDR because i will focus on objectives.both of them give you a bit different approach(well,of course you can still run around like an idiot in BF,it just won´t get you anywhere,neither help your team) so why not play them both?

[quietlygamingaway]

girls who put their faces for avatars on gamesites

need to go away

stop looking for "love"/attention

you most likely never played a real game

go play kinect

[bloodybutcher]

ahh,how deep and throrough profiled have i got.first of all it is picture of my gf,i am a guy.we come on this website on one account.there also goes your theory about looking for love here.and if yo would check my profile you would see that i have only ps3,therefore i am unable to play kinnect.and what do you mean by real game?you could check my trophies,it would show you which games have i played.but i gues you are to busy writing idiotic comments about gaming girls who have their own opinion.inferiority complex?or just never had woman in your life and attacking is the only way tointeract for you?

[iNMyFiN4LH0uR]

credit must be given to these devs, although IW have severly downsized, they are in essence the creators of one of the greatest shooters and game of all time COD4, this isnt about BF3 vs COD, or Activision, this is simply a new installment of COD and only time will tell whether COD is still king of games.

[iOmegaSeriousi]

hopefully is not like the garbage of Black ops

[TheOtherTheoG]

Wait, there was a difference between the two?

[Sweeet]

So they'll be more people huddled together as there are less places to hide? It'll be like a grenade spammers wet dream, how awesome...not!

[CrimsonSaber]

Look!!! Forget the fanboyism if you dislike Call of Duty do the readers a favor and take your shi* some where else! i could careless about the fps,the sales,the killstreak,battlefield all that crap. I wanna see MW3 in action... the guns the animations and the fireworks... A few things mr bowling since you decided you wanted to go back in time.
1. When I kill a guy allow me to replenish my ammo and grenados.
2. Let me choose my melee style : Rifle Butt or Knife.
3.Reinstate party chat.. that shi* in mw2 was retarded.
4. Bring back more classic maps..Rostov,Moscow,Alam Halfa,
Vosnack,Wallender these were great maps from Call of Duty 2 (2005)

[CanadianTurtle]

Gun on gun feel?? I thought all Call of Dutys felt the same as in gameplay...

[CrimsonSaber]

Oh and for Gods sake, Do a public beta . MW turned out fine. and World at War was decent. but because you IW and your bastard brother treyarch decided to be complete tools, your previous installments lacked in many "Ah" many departments...

[Parasyte]

Going back to their "CoD4 roots" is a good idea, but maybe it's just me being skeptical, I don't think they can pull it off.

You've got 3 devs working on this game, and most of the people that created CoD4 aren't even with Infinity Ward anymore.

[thespaz]

I like the fast-arcade feel of Call of Duty. Screw realism.

This sounds good though. I really liked Call of Duty 4, but I also liked Modern Warfare 2 (except for boosting and nukes).

I really hope they only have 50 ranks again though. Modern Warfare 2 just too way too long to rank up to the top, but on Black Ops, I have a much easier time deciding to prestige.

[ThatHappyGamer]

Tell them to grow a pair of balls and provide a Open Beta.

[BlueEye]

I dunno if I quite like the sound of how that map strategist was describing how gameplay will be, seems kinda dumbed down, but I might be imagining something completely wrong. Just gotta wait until Call of Duty XP and then the release.

[quietlygamingaway]

I hope its gun to gun

rather be killed properly by a human player

then some goddamn cheap killstreak

[jozzah]

To everyone saying I hope they don't mess it up or ruin it should be prepared to be disappointed again.... and again ..... and again

[liveActionLeveler]

MW3 seems to be starting to seem promising again, it's gonna be hard to buy this, BF3, Vita, and all the other PS3 games coming out later this year. This holiday season has got to be the most expensive one yet!

[Unbornkirkster19]

i think that an open beta is should be in the works for MW3.

[Colmshan1990]

Interesting...
That was my main gripe with MW2, the abundance of campers...
I may be tempted back to Call of Duty with this installment.