FFXIII PS3 HAS Been Adversely Affected By 360

Shak @ PS3Center.net writes:

"We look at how Final Fantasy XIII has been affected by multiplatform development, and why it would not have been the case if the game was exclusive to one platform."

[The Wood]

Then it has been affected if not then it would be too hard to prove so lets wait and see.

SE would be dumb to admit it so the proof really is in the pudding

[GrieverSoul]

Either fanboy or not, either console war exists or not, we all knew that one version would suffer due to the multiplatform status the game suffered.

The only thing I truly hope is that they keep the original Japanese voices in the PS3 version. I have a feeling they might cut out that feature to provide equal products in the market. Either that or increase the number of DVDs in the X360 version. I just hope they find a way to please everyone a find a way to provide the original voices.I love the japanese voices in japanese RPGs. ;)

EDIT:
@jack_burt0n
I know they said that but its so stupid to deny that to those who have the chance to get it just because others dont have a way get it on disc. Im hoping the final product will surprises us.
**fingers crossed**

[Game13a13y]

but dumping down the PS3 version to make it equal to the 360? thats just plain wrong. last time i checked, it is the PS fans who bought most of your games and made you whatever you are today, SE!! good job on turning the back on your fans!!

[jack_burt0n]

@griever

They already said no japanese voice track due to space.

[Immortal Kaim]

What is this, like the tenth story this week on the same subject matter? I think it's about time everyone got over it, you're tainting your impression of the damn game before you have even played it.

No amount of whining and moaning is going to change the fact that the game is now multiplatform, buy the game on PS3 and be done with it, jesus.

[Shadow Flare]

360 has yet to surpass uncharted 1 in graphics

PS3 has surpassed uncharted 1 with killzone 2. And its gonna surpass it again with uncharted 2. And again with god of war 3, heavy rain and gran turismo 5

Final Fantasy XIII could have been up there with ps3's best. But instead, square held back its potential and brought it down to the console which still hasn't surpassed ps3's 2007 title.

A year more on the market, easier to develop for and it still has nothing that comes close to touching ps3's best titles. No standard hard drive, a last generation media format...someone tell how that doesn't hold back what ps3 could have produced?

http://www.kineticninja.blo...

[Aquanox]

Another "great" article by the reliable and totally unbiased "PS3center.net"

Come on!...

[ChozenWoan]

and a PS3 gamer at that, I don't care that it's coming to 360. I do care that it's taken twice as long to arrive and has been gimped. SE could have just used the White Engine and created another engine for the 360 while finishing the PS3 version, instead they started completely over with a multiplatform engine. This Automatically means the game has been modified from it's original form.

Also, while for the most part the core gameplay likely has not suffered as much as the graphics, there has likely been some level design changes. Especially when it comes to the world map, which has likely been altered to prevent constant disc swapping from players going back to earlier parts of the game. There is also a worse case scenario in which the game has been made extremely linear, similar to most FPS nowadays. Either way the original masterpiece FF13 was going to be has been altered.

[OmarJA]

Sadly the 360 has gimped around 54.2% from the original PS3 version but i'll get the game anyway...

[Aquanox]

Whoever thinks this is true please tell me which was the console that downgraded MGS4 on the PS3?

Also, the Demo was built around PS3 since the Xbox 360 deal had been sealed very short before. If an Xbox 360 Demo is released and look as good or slightly better than that demo then all this talk will be buried.

[Death]

Xbox 360 has yet to surpass Uncharted in graphics? So what. I am fairly confident devs are not in business to make the prettiest graphics. They want to sell games. I can name a few games that have sold much better on the 360 than Uncharted has, but can't name any games that have sold better on the PS3 than Halo. At the end of the day the devs are in the business to make money.

-Death

[gambare]

"I can name a few games that have sold much better on the 360 than Uncharted has, but can't name any games that have sold better on the PS3 than Halo. At the end of the day the devs are in the business to make money."

Wii Fit sold way more than Halo and it's better than Halo?

[Shadow Flare]

How are you enjoying playing sales? Good game is it? How far are you? Is it fun playing sales? If you like sales s much, you should have bought a wii, and only a wii. Me? I'm playing games that can't even be done on your console.
Laters

[The Wood]

damn man. I always had you as a gamer with a preference for the 360 then you type that crap. When did we care about the devs so much. If they make a great game then good, we'll pay for their game and keep them afloat but you ask your favorite dev for rent money when you've lost your job (hope you dont btw) They wouldnt know who the ef you were and wouldnt give a d about your life so why is sellz more important than integrity again??. Wii fit must be right up there on your list of quality titles and the gt franchise must PWN the forza franchise by 8 times if we use that sales chart as the gage of quality...tut tut

some of 360 guys love to act like patcher sometimes yet you DONT get paid for it and its sad. For the final time SALES DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY EQUATE TO QUALITY. Fiats sell tons more than farraris but what would you rather have?

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"ps3center.net"

.......well you know what Xboxcenter.net says.......the opposite.

in fact as I'm reading it THEY said ps3's version was the version that gimped both cause of it's slow blu-ray drive and 256 of GDDR3.

come on what do you expect both websites to say.....

[Sarcasm]

"I am fairly confident devs are not in business to make the prettiest graphics."

Let's just ignore all the developers spending millions of dollars to make better graphics engines. Oh and the PR statements that says "Our sequel has better graphics than the last game." Oh and the millions of gamers who spend $2k on their computers for better graphics.

Sales are sales, but the real devs are the ones aiming to push the boundary, innovate, and of course that means PRETTIER GRAPHICS.

And what's better? A good game that sells poorly or a poor game that sells millions?

Give me the good game that sells poorly.

[Death]

I own a PS3, Xbox 360 and a Wii. I also have a decent PC. I am playing what ever I want. I am also old enough to know that devs make games to sell, not to look pretty.

As for Wii Fit being better than Halo. From a publishers point of view it cost less to create and sold more. It is definately the more successful product. That is what determines success when selling a product. As a gamer, we look at things differently. The majority of people crying about Square also seem to think they have an unlimited budget and don't need to make money. That is where fans and reality take different turns.

-Death

[v1c1ous]

i didn't know we had so many squeenix employees in n4g who know what's going on inside square

[DaTruth]

That's your first problem! The devs I buy games from are in the business of making great games; Yours are in the business of selling lots of games!

That's why I have great games and you have great sales! Enjoy your sales!

@below: There is nothing to b1tch about, your version of Bioshock wasn't downgraded!

[REbirth]

i think u owned that bot fan:)

-REbirth

[rockleex]

Millions of gamers have played it.

The newest versions of FFXIII does not look as good. That means it has been downgraded.

I'll leave it up to you guys to conclude what led FFXIII to its current downgraded state.

[jadenkorri]

its called progress, by you logic, your fine with playing snes graphics, as long as the game is good. Oh and BTW, devs are in the business of creating best graphics, its what differs between one game to the next. Since were talking final Fantasy, I believe 1-12 obviously throughout the series, "graphics" was improved from 1 console to the next consoles. I don't recall them going back to pixel art on a next generation console. It's so obvious that FF13 has been downgraded on the ps3 to fit with the 360. The demo of a game in early development does not get downgraded, if anything it gets better. By pics from what i've seen and can compare with old/new, its obvious its been downgraded. Any person with a a reasonable mentality can see it, but then again 360 fanboys aren't reasonable.

[theunknown]

What does gameplay have to do with multiplatforming?

[nightelfmohawk]

The more information that comes out about how gimped the game is becoming due to SE's stubborn determination to make the games identical on both platforms, the less interested I become in the game. I may end up passing on the game. Honestly, I haven't enjoyed a FF game since FF Tactics and FF VII, and I still consider FF III/VI to be the best FF game of all time.

I may wait for FF Versus XIII and pass on FF XIII unless SE fixes these glaring issues that gimp this game before launch.

[Christopher]

I've been turned off ever since they decided against Japanese voice tracks just to keep it the same as the 360.

Look, it's fine you want to get a bigger piece of the pie, but there's no way in hell I'm going to take you seriously with your comments or your game, no matter who you are, when you can provide something but choose not to due to limitations of the other platform and then continue to say nothing is affected.

[evilmonkey501]

Here is the truth: Microsoft paid squareenix upwards of 70 million dollars for square to break their exclusivity with Sony over ff13. A few of the stipulations were that the game had to be identical or better on the xbox, and that the ps3 version could not contain any "extras" that the xbox version wouldn't be able to include. There ya go.
That answers every question. Don't even expect dlc for the ps3 version.
Buy white knight chronicles instead if this bugs you ps3 guys. I am.

[Christopher]

The sad thing is that you're probably not at all far from the truth.

[cyberwaffles]

"From a publishers point of view it [Wii sports] cost less to create and sold more. It is definately the more successful product."

you're forgetting that we are not the producers of that game, just the consumers.

i had more fun playing free flash games on the internet than wii sports as a whole. if anything its sad to see so many people buy such lame products and ignore the good stuff that actually comes once in a blue moon for the wii.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

all disagrees and no talk.

"The proof is the FFXIII demo that was on FF7:ACC's Japanese Bluray version.
Millions of gamers have played it.

The newest versions of FFXIII does not look as good. That means it has been downgraded.

I'll leave it up to you guys to conclude what led FFXIII to its current downgraded state. "

......hasn't anyone thought to them selves that the demo had blemishes.

http://i32.tinypic.com/99mo...

http://www.gamersyde.com/do...

you guys crack me up.

it's amazing how people admit that they PLAYED the demo and not point out these blemishes people were talking about were in the demo as well. (it's a dumb cover up)

[ultimolu]

Careful guys, the other side might think you're *whining* because a highly anticipated game like FFXIII is being gimped just to accommodate the 360...

[gaffyh]

@fanboys Aquanox etc. - if you actually read the article you'd see that it isn't about graphics at all, it's about gameplay.

[Jecht]

I know that this is off topic but, I just couldn't stand it anymore..

Death, you know we can see your name at the top right? It says your name just above your avatar. Do you see it? You don't have to put your name at the end of every post. We know who you are. Just like we know who JOY is (JokesOnYou) and he does the same thing (maybe dual accounts? just saying). We get it, your name is Death, it describes the life of your arguments, we don't need to see it everywhere. Yeah, I know this is a pointless rant, but I just got annoyed of seeing "Death" everywhere bad arguments were.

On Topic: I knew that the 360 would gimp FFXIII the second that SE announced that the White Engine was being changed to a multiplatform engine and called it "Crystal Tools". That was months before the 360 version was announced. I knew that the 360 would get FFXIII then because there was really know reason to make that big a deal of announcing a multiplatform engine unless you already had something in mind for it, and since the only game in development using the engine at the time was FFXIII, with no further announced games to be using it, I simply put 2 and 2 together. And it's certainly NOT a stretch of the imagination to know that the 360 would force compromises to be made to the PS3 version.

Hell, for all we know, the PS3 version has been done for awhile now, only SE held it back to see how the 360 version would turn out, and once the weaknesses showed, they pulled out the PS3 version and altered it accordingly. Anyone who DOESN'T think that the PS3 version was gimped obviously doesn't understand the huge differences in capability between the two consoles. PS3 pushes games to their limits, 360 is content with the status quo.

[Poopface the 2nd]

I will poop on them to make you people happy.

[Ravage27]

List of (75%)confirmed gimps: Less CGI,no japanese voice over and reduced polygon counts on character models.
http://www.thekoalition.com...

SE will keep denying it (they are not THAT stupid) but even without reading the in-depth articles on the downgrading, i KNOW it has been gimped. SE was known for producing RPGs that pushes the console it's running on to its limits. Yet after so MANY years of development....this is all we got? Yes it doesn't look bad, but this is all the Final Fantasy team can do??

[fishd]

*facepalm*

[Pika-pie]

Just accept it, crying wont change anything, it will still be a great game and im still looking forward to it.

[ryuyasho]

a solution.... cancel the Xbox version. retouch the ps3 version(to where it was originally intended in the first place, or boost it up to the max), make the game longer, add at least 3 more languages besides ENG n JAP Audio Tracks, Xbox consumer go buy a reliable console($299.99, no more "Expensive" Excuses cheap wussies) in which they'll play countless RPG's HOURS without the fear that your console will die on you and everybody will be happy like a pigeon surrounded by bread crumbs...BRRRR OOOo OOOOo

[napoleon_ist]

uncharted games are there "to make shine the PS3".

i still remember all the buzz about gears of war, than bioshock, than gears of war 2 graphics, with all these xbots telling the xbox360 had the most beautiful games blablabla and the ps3's rfom was ugly compared with these, now things have changed since uncharted, killzone 2 and uncharted 2.

[imtiyaz6]

last gen almost all the multiplatform games looked better on the xbox. i dont remember sony payin EA or Activision or any other companies to make the games look identicle....This proves how desperate microsoft really is to beat sony!!! I think bill gates has made this console war thing personal.

[Jecht]

Here's the problems with your arguments...

"square enix will do what they want, and if you dont like it dont buy the fricken game."

if by "doing what they want" you mean purposely downgrading the quality of the game's graphics, content, and possibly gameplay, why would you support that in any way? Not buying the game will be met by an extreme by SE in that they will completely stop making that game period instead of making it better. Plus, just accepting this kind of attitude will show other devs that they can do the same thing and be met with no criticism.

"oh also, im sure most of you forget but square and enix got most of their sales from nintendo long before sony started releasing their games"

speaking as someone who's played, and owns, every FF game except for FFXI, I can say two things. A)What the hell does that matter? and B)FFVII sold 9 million copies in it's lifetime, and exactly what console was that game sold for?

"and for the record, who decided that great games have to have amazing graphics. we know the 360 wont produce graphics as well as the ps3, so what. i personally enjoy both systems but ill probably buy this game on 360 as i dont mind changing disks. i enjoy talking to my friends with the voip on live while i play games, is this a crime?"

If it were just the graphics, I don't think it would be so big a deal. However, content is obviously being removed (i.e. Jap. V.O.'s) and we don't know the true extent that the PS3 version has been changed to accommodate the 360 version, which is being sold to a fanbase that has PROVEN they have NO interest in JRPG's (look at how abysmally they have sold on the 360), and that's what we have a problem with. Your reasons for buying the 360 version are your own.

Face the facts. Downgrading a game, especially to suit an audience that has shown a proven apathy to its genre, is wrong. As consumers looking for the best bang for their buck, we have the right to expect the best as we are paying for the best. Failure to deliver that should not be met with an "oh well, what can you do", SE should know that they are wrong, their practices are wrong, and they will be criticized for it.

[IronAva]

I did not want to get in this but oh well I will. So I own all three and I play Games not SYSTEMS or sales. There are a few post up above ripping death about playing the sales card. Well I find that strange because if my memory serves me right there were tons of Sony fans going nuts about how PS3 is 299.99 and the 360 will not match it in SALES starting next week. Now am I the only one that can see the double-standard here.

I love N4G because sometimes the site can be informative but the comments on this site are crazy. We all have a right to say what we want. Only problem here is alot of the pots are calling the kettles black.

As always, play GAMES not SYSTEMS

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

If you want to blame someone, blame it on Sony for failing to be dominant console maker this generation or better yet, just the dominant console in the HD space!

Other people you can blame are the consumers for NOT buying the PS3. However, that is understandable.

However, worst of all, it is the fanbois fault for blindly buying everything Sony puts out. That just artificially increases the price and allows Sony to put out over priced products excarcebating the problem.

Don't blame the 360, blame yourself!!!

[Jecht]

That is the biggest piece of 360 fanbot B.S. I've ever heard in my life. The blame rests squarely on Microsoft for their demands, and SE for their greed. Not for the fan/installed base of the PS3.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Sorry, but greed is what drives this companies to create a product that the public is willing to buy. Greed is what drives capitalism. However, Sony fanbois like to label others and blame stuff on the other successful competing company!!!

[Jecht]

it is precisely microsoft's fault, as well as SE's. microsoft played on SE's greed, SE were stupid and short-sighted and didn't do good market research. hence ps3 supporters have every right to be upset with the cause of a downgraded game, which are microsoft and SE. greed is merely the catalyst, it is up to the devs to follow through. microsoft also made demands, and you better believe that those demands are that both games are equal, hence it is AGAIN microsoft's fault that the ps3 version is NOT at its best. you can try to defend microsoft and SE all you want in the typical fanbot way you do, but the fact of the matter is that microsoft and SE are to blame for a weakened game. SE used to push console limits, now they are content to make mediocre games as long as microsoft foots the bill for the difference.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Clearly you like to play the blame game and blame everyone else for how things went. Sure MS AND SE is greedy just like Sony.

It is as much of faiilure for Sony to not secure Final Fantasy as an exclusive as much as it is MS for obviously wanting a slice of that business. Any moron can see that unless you are among the few fanbois that believes the developer/publisher owes them any sort of loyalty to anything, but the dollar.

There is nothing sort sighted about this and it is pretty obvious that SE recognized that they could sell to vastly more people that will enjoy the game regardless of how much fanboys will b*tch and moan like a spoiled child. If people gobbled up the PS3 like they did the Wii we wouldn't have this discussion now. So who's fault is it?

[Jecht]

It's clear you know nothing about anything because this move by SE is incredibly flawed and short sighted. They have brought their best selling franchise to a console whose fanbase has PROVEN they have NO interest in the entire genre that this game is based in. By going mutltiplat, they have to develop for the lowest common denominator (i.e. the 360), which reduces the quality of what it COULD have been to something far less which will alienate the fanbase of the franchise who, for generations, have come to expect that the first FF game of a new console would push that consoles limits. FFXIII is NOT that game thanks to MS. So, consumers who bought a PS3 expecting the best FF game they could play, now have to settle for something less than the best.

This move has sent a message, from SE to the fanbase that built them (and yes, that fanbase is comprised of largely Playstation fans), that they care nothing about them. That too is short sighted since it is that fanbase that lines SE's pockets with cash by buying their games. So yes, they do have to have a certain level of loyalty to the people that give them their money in the first place. The blame is CLEARLY on MS and SE's shoulders.

To recap. 360 = disinterested in JRPG's (look at the sales, since you fanbots love to tout them so much).

PS3 = Proven fanbase going back two console generations, expecting the best FF game since SE had a history of delivering that, and instead being told "f*ck you" and receiving a clearly downgraded game and lies after lies after lies. Also, because of this move, FFVSXIII now must be FORCED to be downgraded because SE won't want to alienate the 360 users, who again don't care about JRPG's, by putting a clearly better looking/playing and fully loaded FFXIII game on the PS3 alone.

The blame for this downgraded game is on MS and SE.

[corywebb93]

to get the exclusive dlc off this game 2 days after its realease on the xbox 360

[saint_john_paul_ii]

fail troll is full of fail.

[itchy18]

k

and

why won't your bubbles die?

[NegativeCreep427]

What a day to forget my "Dipsh*t Xbot Troll" Repellant spray (which basically smells like young attractive, ditsy females). I think Batman has one of those in his action belt as well.

[Game13a13y]

huh... you think you can make it passed Chapter 2-1 without the crapbox 54.2 crapping itself out on you? good luck, may be then you can go download this "dilusional" DLC that you dreamt about

[TheTeam06]

After 3 discs and the game still isn't done, how else are you gonna finish the game?

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"FFXIII PS3 HAS Been Adversely Affected By 360"

ps3 fanboy "MGS4 looks out of this world!!!!!"

2005
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

2008 rolls by.

ps3 fanboy "oh my god, MGS4 looks 10 times better than it did before."

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

ps3 fanboy "FF13 looks so freaking awesome!!!!"

http://i26.tinypic.com/ks3u...

2009 goes by.

ps3 gamer "uhhhhh hold up 360 clearly crapped the graphics down, you can see it plane as day"

http://i29.tinypic.com/1z17...

I'm guessing to think like a ps3 gamer you gotta think backwards.......or not think at all.

[Ilikegames76]

torrent this game for the xbox and give it to my cousin who has an xbox 360. Then I'll probably buy FFv13 for my PS3.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"torrent this game for the xbox and give it to my cousin who has an xbox 360."

you want to see your cousin get banned?

why don't you go and steel it at a game store, cause that's exactly what torrent downloading is.

[Nelson M]

What like GTA4 DLC !!

Your still waiting for the second installment a year and a half later
Thy Silly Little BoT

[Narutone66]

complaining about piracy. Serves them right for supporting a console with a last gen optical media which is so easily pirated.

[Wiitactics]

It's not just about graphics xbots, it is about the content that will be left out just because of your Sh1tbox360's DVD9 space limitation. I don't think MGS4 would have been the same GODLY game if it were on the sh1tbox... Too many awesome cut-scenes and content to fit on 4 DVD's.

Didn't you read the article about Tales of Vespeira PS3 and all the new content that it'll have that was left out of the X360 version because of space limitations? Well Square's going to offer that content that was left out of FFXIII thanks to the sh1tbox as DLC and considering how much xbots like to give to MS then... You know the rest of the story. A rip-off. Something like all those stories from developers that want to give free stuff on LIVE to the Xbots but Microsh1t does not let them.

Taking out japanese voice acting of the PS3 version to keep both versions equal it's just the first step of a major downgrade thanks to Microsh1t and their Crapbox. ;_;

[gerol]

also the graphics i think...

[Darrius Cole]

I had forgotten about that E3 2006 Trailer. It looks so much better than what we are actually going to get. Now I am depressed.

[jadenkorri]

i suspect when ff13 releases on 360 and ps3, its going to look better on the 360 than the ps3...but what will be epically hilarious will be the fact the demo looks better than the final product on both.

[cmrbe]

it is not gimped. lol!.

[Panthers]

"We're really trying to create the same exact experience for both platforms. "

This quote was given by some head guy at SE. This confirms that they made compromises because they are not taking advantage of the hardware.

[Death]

Square was simply saying the core gameplay experience would be the same. Uncharted seems to be the popular go to game so we will use it as an example. Do you think Uncharted on Joe Gamers 20" standard def TV plays any different than it does on a 40" 1080p HDTV? It may not look as nice, but the core game play expeience will not differ. That is the goal for any multi-platform game regardless of what console it is on.

-Death

[Silverwolf]

we still have versus! Hopefully this will stay exclusive, just because I would hate for it to get downgraded.

[GrieverSoul]

Lets us hope VS gets released before the sun dies out! ;)

[Death]

Why would it be any different?

-Death

[sunil]

Even if vs XIII stayed exclusive, I highly doubt if it will even come close to UC2 / Heavy Rain graphics

Like the support SE gave PS2 last gen, this gen they have decided to support 360

How many games has SE released on the PS3?

[theunknown]

But we're still talking about Final Fantasy here.

[mastiffchild]

Death-that's irrelevant isn't it? Vs , as an exclusive to one console can be oprimised entirely fo that console without the need for parity(or the attempt at) on another. therefore what you do with "the same engine" might be pretty different, no?

Certainly there should be noone worrying about things being downgraded through compression or other space saving practises with Vs no matter what engine they use.

FF13, whatever anyone says, DID take a backward step the day it was announced mylti playform. Had they done an about face and made it 360 exclusive, however, I couldn't be sure it would-but as a multi I prett much can. The desire, need, to make the game as close as possible over the two versions leads, as we all know, to any number of compromises that an exclusive wouldn't ever make-the MP game has to deal with the weaknesses of both platforms and cannot use any strenths found only on one or the other and not both. Is that a position to make the best game you could for either PS3 or 360?

We see lots of PS3 gamers moanig/complaining about this game as they feel multi platforms just dopn't compare to their exclusives-and they have a good point as PS3 exclusives do tend to outstrip their multi plat counterparts by a little distance. Because of this the complaints we hear are from this side-since they'd had "only on PS3" shouted at them by SE for an age and felt they lost the possibilty of this game being the best it could for them-gfx complaints, size restrictions of DVD etc, etc,etc.

That's all fair enough , imo, as a multi hasn't yet done the things on PS3 that the exclusives have. However, what if the game had been chalked down for 360 release exclusively? Would we still be expecting as good a game if it changed to multi from there? Of course not! This is why I don't get the whole argument. All exclusives have a better opportunity of getting close to the opriginal concept than multis do for the above reasoning-two sets of weaknesses and fewer strengths.

My point, therefore, is that it's pretty undeniable that the game won't be as good all round as it would have been as a PS3 exclusive-nor will it be as good as it could have been as a 360 only game-it just stands to reason to me. As the people who felt they'd be seeing it exclusively are PS3 gamers who possibly bought that console for this bery game surely some of their angst is fair enough, no? But, and it's a bi one too, they should save the grief for SE and not the 360 as the 360 version of FF13 will be "gimped" in some ways due to it being on PS3 as well-the street goes both ways as no matter which console you feel is best they don't have identical strengths and weaknesses. The 360 does some thing better and vice versa-none of which can be fully used by SE for FF13 now.

Whether the multi plat SE will go all out on Vs and run the risk of an exclusive looking and playing better than their flagship title and upsetting MS is another argument without end but as for FF13 can't we just bery the natchet? 360 isn't to blme and nor is MS. SE are understandably after as much cash as possible with this deal but they shouldn't say it's going to be the game they would have made without the multi plaform deal as, imo, that's just a lie. Seeing how some PS3 SE fans did get their consoles on the strength of Se's word over FF13 exclusivity I don't imagine they think much of SE's word anymore and the half truths have to stop.

What I don't see is why either 360 heads or PS3 heads should be arguing over who's gimping whom here-SE just gimped the game when it became MP. The 360 game isn't gimped as they weren't ever getting a game optimised for their console but to think PS3 owners will get the same game they would have done had it stayed exclusive isn't right, is it? The 360 isn't gimping it though-just SE's decision to take it multi platform where PS3 issues will effect the 360 game in the same way as 360 issues will the PS3 game.

AS a , faily relaxed and not overly avid, FF fan I'm just disappointed in SE changing their mind so far along and also because they lie and contradict themselves so often. MS did the right thing in looking after their gamers and getting a great franchise to come to 360-noone should blame them at all. FF13 , though, can't, imo, be the game we all imagined after the first trailers and announcments as multi plats just don't have the same chances to shine, on EITHER platform, as an axclusive would and this has been very true of multis Vs exclusives on PS3. I don't see much of a console war issue here if I'm honest.

As I say Vs , should it get made and remain exclusive, does have the chance to be closer to the game we all imagined after first seeing it and I just hope that SE allow the funds and have the desire to make it so-we will see but should it fail to eclipse FF13 in a few ways I'd be tempted to cry foul. Just as I would if it was a 360 exclusive and failed to do the same.

[Death]

The only ones claiming Square is making the PS3 version look bad to be on par with the 360 are the over zealous and uneducated fanboys. Any optimization to be done to the engine will affect both games on the platform.

The thing keeping either version of the game from looking better is time and money. Square does not have an unlimited budget like many gamers seem to think. They also have deadlines since they need the game to ship within the targeted fiscal year and quarter to make investors happy. If Square had all the time and money in the world then PS3 gamers might have a point. As it is there are limitations which are simply a fact of life. Would I like all games to be perfect? Sure. Unfortuantely reality keeps that from happening.

-Death

[hay]

Even ignoring visuals it's kinda sucky to see that awesome looking preview of what could be a gameplay looks now more like a Grandia III and in place of "holi sh*t!" it's now "looks ok".

[Thoreau]

if 93 is the correlation to your age (16) that means that you cannot afford the 299.99 ps3..........

young boy maybe your parents will get you a ps3 slim, ha ha ha ha ha.

[shutupandplay]

My cousin just got hired at age 14. So, I`m not sure what you are going on about.

[TheMART]

Because... @ 16 you can't have a job besides school that earns you bucks?

[outlawlife]

just stop whining, that is really all I have to say

who is to say the game is even going to good, regardless of platform constraints

people seem to forget that the final fantasy games are rather hit and miss

it can suck on 1 disc or 3....doesn't matter

the only sad part is if this game does end up bad everybody(on n4g at least) will say it was because of 360, not due to square enix games being rather sub par these days

[Unicron]

I have to agree. SE isn't what it used to be lately, and they sure do love slappin the title FF on everything they can.

[SupaPlaya]

are complaining mainly the visuals, and the prospect of having to break a large world into smaller worlds because of disk size constraint.

I know from the moment that the game is announced multiplaform, the game will have to be coded to perform relative the same, instead of taking advantage of the hardware of either platform.

I agree with you though, in the end only the story and game play truly matters (unless the graphics suck, which from the demo it doesn't look like it will suck). My favorite FF is still FFVI, and my favorite moments in the game are the Kefka scenes, the Opera scene, and in Cyan's dreams. None of that has to do with amazing visuals, yet they capture my memory still today.

[Campy da Camper]

You hit the nail on the head. Total hit or miss with the series. VI was hands down the best. That game actualy made me sweat.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

did these fkn clowns even make the fkn xbot. its holding everything fkn back technology wise from a gaming standpoint.The gaming community sucks because of the xbot. Why don't ms just concentrate on microsoft office which i truly enjoy using . developers please stop fkn making games for ms ...lets not go backwards and play beyond

@mart ...i don't know where you live but here in the states you can work at 16. that fool is just a clown . a fat 16 year old eating fat princess cake

[Thoreau]

we know the 360 is doing at least a little gimping, but let us wait for the game to be released. FF may be a very good game.

[cmrbe]

i hope that is true. This game better delivers.

[SupaPlaya]

in the demo is quite nice. I really hope it has good story like the stories in FFVI, not just pretty visuals. For me I don't really mind the graphics not being "all it can be", I'd rather them spend more $$ into the script and story than trying to make the visuals look equal or better on one platform or another...

For RPG, it's the story and gameplay (to me it's 2nd) that keep me interested in an RPG and be back for more 10 years later.

[cmrbe]

the firebox is going to be a nightmare. 1 disc scratch and you are screwed or worst yet if you play for over 2 hrs straight you will get PROD.

Have fun disk swapping bots!!.

[CernaML]

First I read "firefox." Then I read PROD in your comment and I got VERY confused.

[Thoreau]

“So we don’t know how many discs it’ll be housed on for 360, but there won’t be a chance that we’ll compromise anything because, oh it didn’t fit in the 360 discs so we’ll have to take it out of the PS3 version, or vice versa.”
http://www.psu.com/Kitase--...

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Well you know, despite what the developer says PS3Center and the dolts of N4G certainly know better than they do!

Considering the game is being built on the PC, SE maybe showing stuff that isn't running on either console.

But whatever, it's just wasting breathe because these fools will believe what they want to believe until reality smacks them across the face. I've seen it happen over and over.

[ChampIDC]

"He specifically mentions here that it is because they want to keep the game the same on both platforms, is that the Xbox 360 version not affecting the PS3 version?"

Sounds like it's SE affecting the PS3 version, not the 360. They were supposed to finish the PS3 version and then make it work on the 360, but I guess that's not the case. Silly Squenix...

[cmrbe]

Once you go multi-plat you will make compromise. With multi-plat devs will always strive their best to make all version equal. Its not rocket science.

I have basically given up hope on FF13 besting FF10. I am still getting it but i am not expecting much. Perhaps that is good as my level of expectation for this game was as high as MGS4.

Lets just wait and hope for the best but to those that said it is not gimped. It is!!.

[thor]

Well I think FFX was the "tipping point" where it started to slide downhill. For me, FFIX was a better game, Tetra Master was a better minigame, the combat was better balanced (summons weren't overly powerful like in FFVIII or FFX), and I just loved the setting and characters more (the fact that they weren't voiced enabled me to use my imagination a bit more, as well). FFX's voice actors were terrible at times.

Then FFXI came, as a FF game that wasn't really a FF game, and I skipped on FFXII as it seemed to go against everything that I loved about FF. Spinoff after spinoff has come out and none has been particularly brilliant.

[cmrbe]

i think FF games on PS1 were better than FF games on PS2. However i think that FF10 is the best FF on PS2 before Squaresoft became SE. I was really hoping that FF13 would revive the series and be better than FF10 last gen. As i said. Lets just wait and hope for the best.

[corywebb93]

i do have a ps3 morons

[Saaking]

Yea right. You're the lamest bot on this entire sad, maybe just below that f@ggot xbox elite.

[Harry_Manback]

You'd still be a dipsh!t

[cmrbe]

you are born dumb.

[Chubear]

Well maybe it's lag in the servers but I just imputed your ID to check out your trophies but it read "coreyweb93 does not exist" I'll try again in a few minutes just to see if the servers aren't lagging.

[TheMART]

Wut? PS3 is holding down the 360 version... Same like:

Rage 20 to 30fps on the PS3, while 60fps on the 360
GTAIV, 640p on the PS3, while 720p on the 360.

Cell is great for streaming video purposes, making the BluRay player a great video device, but less great for gaming. It shows over and over again.

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@ saaking below

Dude, stop about Uncharted, I own that game also, and it doesn't look that great. Really. I don't get it why PS3 fans keep bringing up that game. Gears 1 looks better then Uncharted. Damn I've seen so many low res textures and non finished stuff in that game, its hilarious.

God of War III, I played the demo at GamesCom and its good, but again not that great as you try to make it.

Killzone 2, simple. I don't know a 360 game that got 60 mln. to spend on an engine to get the graphics up to an E3 trailer, while the game overall is still generic. Yes, it runs some great although blend and boring looking graphics. If MS would drop 60 mln. dollars for a specific engine (not the Unreal Engine III although it had some great games like Bioshock & Gears 1, 2) Killzone 2 could be done on the 360 without a problem.

The hardware can do about the same, just accept that when many hardware analysts have stated that already.

[Saaking]

Mart, Rage is has been confirmed by Carmack to be running at 60 FPS on ALL consoles when it releases sometime next year. Anyways, you just have to look at exclusives. PS3 EXCLUSIVES look miles better than 360 EXCLUSIVES. How do you explain that? Yea, some multiplats look better on the 360 but how do you explain that the 360 has not been able to put out anything remotely close to Uncharted, God of War or Killzone 2 even though it's had a year head start?

Simple answer: The 360 just can't do it. It's too limited.

[wxer]

http://www.n4g.com/News-369...

[TheMART]

@ wxer

Thanks for the link, it clears it all up:

"Carmack states that the Xbox 360 version of RAGE just about matches the 60fps framerate of the PC version, while the PS3 only runs the game at around 20-30fps at this stage in development.

Previously Carmack has stated that the PS3 is a little bit slower at running RAGE, but this is the first time we've been told by just how much. However, iD Software still intends to release all three versions at 60fps and they're confident they can achieve this. "

So, the PS3 version is running behind at the moment, thus holding up the development. It needs more hours of programming to get the stuff better, thus its delaying.

Furthermore, they THINK they can get the PS3 version up to 60fps, its not a definitive confirmation.

Last but not least, the PS3 prove from your link its the weaker console:

"
"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it. The rasteriser is just a little bit slower - no two ways about that.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3." "

There you have it. Rasteriser on the PS3 is slower. The RSX is slower and the CPU on the PS3 and 360 is about the same.

Conclusion, the PS3 isn't the best device for gaming purposes, the 360 is. Thanks for proving my point with proof in the link.

@ hderoses

awwww on one bubble and no one sees your comments?

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@wxer below

Indeed, he says he's 'confident'. He can't say anything else, otherwise PS3 owners already wouldn't pre order Rage if they were certain to get the inferior version.

Be prepared for the final news just before Rage releases or when the reviews come in. Rage 360 @ 60fps locked, PS3 version 20 to 30 fps variable and dropping down below 30 when its hammered with multiple cars on screen.

Something like Killzone 2 has framerate problems on 20fps and online shooting others that drop dead to the floor after 5 secs.

[wxer]

"Carmack confident RAGE will be 60fps on all platforms"

PLS stop spinnig

[FlipMode]

Damn that was a good spin Mart.

[Darkeyes]

MART what f*cked up logic do you have mate... Firstly Uncharted 1 >>>>>> Any 360 exclusive (in terms of graphics)... FACT..

Secondly... GOW3 sh!ts on every 360 game.... I have read your post and the thing you complain about is the non moveable camera.... Have you ever played a GOW game??? None of them have a moveable camera.... Still it's rated as the best game last gen and so will GOW3 this gen... It's next years GOTY give some respect... Or better... Kratos demands respect....

And don't even get me started on that KZ2 60 million logic... M$ payed 50 million to get GTA4 DLC exclusivity... What did M$ get in return... Hardly anyone cares about the episodes... It barely bought M$ any funding (it sold well, but didn't bring as much as KZ2)... So Sony got a AAA title + an awesome engine at 60 million expense and M$ got 2 DLCs for 50 million... So who FU*KED up more bad eh????

Think before posting stupid posts....

[The Wood]

The ps3 has better looking games and has proven itself to be more powerful FULL STOP

[only on playstaychun]

"Killzone 2, simple. I don't know a 360 game that got 60 mln. to spend on an engine to get the graphics up to an E3 trailer, while the game overall is still generic."

Oh you don't. Well I do!! Its called TOO HUMAN and apparently its SH!TE. Anyways back to my AMAZING generic FPS on ELITE. DAMN its hard and GREAT! I would be jealous if I ever a saw a game on another console like KZ2!!

[Chubear]

Actually, KZ2 cost less to produce than what MS paid R* for DLC.. uhm, go figure.

[commodore64]

News just in:

xbox 360 holding back ps3 ghostbusters!
... oh wait.

xbox 360 GTA4 720p holding back ps3 GTA4 640p!
.. oh wait.

... and there's a score of further examples if you please.

Kinda makes me think that fanboys need to stop and assess the facts of the industry before they spout nonsense.
This kind of hype happens all too often.

The internet will blow up when the game is released and indeed looks better on the 360, or runs at a better resolution, or has sharper AA.. etc etc.

Just hope the mental health services are able to cope with the inevitable influx of suicidal ps3 fans, if that turns out to be true!

[skribz]

uh... i play gta iv at 1080p on ps3, all u gotta do is disable 720p n 1080i

[commodore64]

uh... it's not really 1080p, my good man.

it's 640p upscaled to make you think it is 1080p, when it's not, in fact.

But yah... carry on with your delusion. Sony loves you for it.

[shutupandplay]

I never liked final fantasy, but this is good for 360 owners who don`t want to waste money on ps3.

[Saaking]

I'd say you wasted money on your 360. You can get the same and MORE for the SAME price with the PS3. Only ignorant consumers such as yourself would choose the 360.

[SaberEdge]

Just shut the hell up Saaking. You are the biggest, saddest troll around. People are entitled to their preferences. If you like PS3 better, fine. But quit with your arrogant talking down at people. Some people like the PS3 better, some (like me) like both consoles equally, and some like the 360 better. It's all about individual preferences.

[Saaking]

Well that's obvious. The 360 is just holding back the enitre generation. We could be so far ahead. Imagine what COD or Assassin's Creed could like like if they were only on PS3. But yea, 360 is holding everyone back.

[TheMART]

Something like... 98% of all multiplat games look worse on the PS3?

[wxer]

so true

not just gimping games
but also
defending and old format (DVD9)
and a dead format (HD-DVD)
and a disk trey (what is this 1990?)
and last but not least no wi-fi (the bots love wires all over their house)
batters for IR controllers (IR ???? really ??)

xbox360
is just an xbox1 in a smaller white case

[shutupandplay]

They would either be overhyped, pieces of trash like lair or haze, or they would be good games like killzone 2 that die off in two weeks. Devs know all of the real gamers are on 360. Haha, the PS3 gets treated like it has a disease 1/2 the price after a couple years for a "10 year console". What a joke.

[FlipMode]

lol @ 98% of multiplats, the saying XDF will cling onto even though it doesn't make sense.

@ above - Like Too Human

[Amir51]

Haha i think i told you this before but ill tell you again...

54% multiplats score higher on ps3!!! according to metacritic in 2009 and the number has been shifting in the ps3s favour since 2006.

So yeah, try to spin that.

[commodore64]

@ amir

Tell me, how many of the reviews on metacritic are 'apples to apples' comparisons?
my guess is, none, which negates the validity of your argument, sorry.

Granted, if your stat is correct, then all we can reasonably conclude from that is that reviewers are 'taking it easy' on the ps3 scores! After all the vast majority of 'apples to apples' comparisons favour the 360!
There is so much evidence on the net on this exact topic, it's not funny.

How is it that so many impartial review sites conclude, in 'apples to apples' comparisons that the ps3 versions come off second best, yet you prefer to believe vague and ambiguous averages which have little direct comparative value?

I hope you can see the logic there.
Some Sony fanboys have trouble with it, believe it or not...
(cue darkride66)

[Amir51]

I suppose there is some truth in what you say, but i'd guess 50% of the scores are as you say 'apples to apples', and the fact that the proportion of higher rated on ps3 has been rising year on year since forever does, at least show that at this point, the scores are roughly on par.

Also, i do feel that even if there were slight differences that show up when 'apples to appleing', the fact that reviewers choose to ignore them only shows just how insignificant and petty the differences are. Wether they're in the favour of either console.

Bear in mind, your apples to apples arguement could just as well work in the 360's favour so it doesnt hold much weight anyway.

Anyway my whole point was to show how misinformed and delusional XBOX KINGS is, not to try and say PS3 versions fare better, and i think we can both agree on that.

[commodore64]

Amir, you sem to have missed my point.

A comparison can *only* be called 'apples-to-apples' when we are directly reviewing the 360 and ps3 against each other, by comparing gameplay, screenshots, resolution, frame-tear, texture quality... etc etc.

Unfortunately, the review scores on metacritic are NOT doing that. Instead, they review each platform separately, with little to no correlation or comparative review value to each other bar the subjective judgement of each reviewer, which is then averaged and thus is subject to statistical error.

If there is a difference in these 'a-t-a' comparisons that is then subsequently 'ignored', as you said, then how does that justifiably extend to higher ps3 metacritic scores?
It seems illogical and is kind of a self-defeating argument, if you think about it.

After all, when people talk about the visual splendour of KZ2, we are CERTAINLY paying attention to these details.
Yet, when we talk about the multiplats we somehow don't - or at least downplay the differences, in the valid comparisons...

Weird, huh?

[Anon1974]

The failing in Commodore's argument is even the direct comparisons are open to interpretation. Look at Lens of Truth's comparison of BlazBlu. The games were identical, but the PS3 version had no control issues and the 360 issue had severe control issues, yet somehow they said the game was a tie. Some sites said GTA4 was better on the 360, some, including Rockstar's own Sam Houser said the PS3 version was superior. These still come down to opinion. Say one version has a better framerate, but slightly lower resolution. Who wins? It's not always clear cut.

That's were sites like Metacritic become useful. If a game is worse on one console versus the other, most reviewers will penalize the poorer version of the game, resulting in lower Metacritic scores. Sites like Eurogame, 1Up, Edge, Gamespot, IGN...they don't pull any punches when it comes to docking a game version points if one version is better then the other, and this is reflected in the overall averages.

And something else game sites like Lens of Truth don't compare is the overall affect on the game. Sure one version might have slightly blurred textures, but does that really affect a players enjoyment of the game? Of course not. That's were real game reviews have an edge. We don't play graphics. If one version has a slight visual difference, most reputable sites will look at the overall picture and say "You know, this game might run just a tad smoother, but overall it doesn't affect the finished product."

We play games, not graphical differences. I want to know if a game is fun. These LOT type of comparisons aren't useful at all. If one version of a title is severely deficient compared to another, we'll see that reflected in review scores overall. All LOT type comparisons do is turn people into nitpickers instead of gamers. For example, LOT might tell us Batman on the PS3 is the better version, but Metacritic gives the 360 version 92 versus the PS3 version's 91. Obviously both versions are excellent, but you'd have me believe the 360 version is gimped just because the shadows aren't as nice?

Be a gamer.

[commodore64]

Didn't think it'd be long before darkride66 chimed in with some spin...

He states:
"That's were sites like Metacritic become useful. If a game is worse on one console versus the other, most reviewers will penalize the poorer version of the game, resulting in lower Metacritic scores."

Unfortunately, he cannot have ready ANY of my posts, because this is precisely what I argued was NOT happening.

In NONE of these metacritic reviews was there ever a single 'a-t-a' comparison done, which would have logically led to lower ps3 scores, had it been included.

The real world evidence, steadfastly ignored in Metacritic standalone reviews, is discounted by fanboys such as darkride66 (as predicted!) who prefer to ignorantly defend PS3 multiplats and believe their own self-deception.
http://misterslimm.wordpres...

'The devil is in the details', as we all know, yet darkride66 works hard to ignore such pearls of wisdom, defending proven inferior ps3 multiplats at all opportunities, with trademark spin and obfuscation.

Is this a clue to his fanboy agenda?
What is most disturbing is that all this is happening while he refers to himself as an unbiased 'gamer'... The mind boggles!
Whatever he's smoking, it must be good?

At this point, i feel i have repeated myself enough.

Darkride66 would do well to re-read and comprehend (or at least try to comprehend) the gist of my prior posts, because his argument had already been negated BEFORE his above post.
Ironic, I know, but true nevertheless.

I am hoping he will stop and think before he posts again, because, clearly, he did not do that before the last post.
Sadly, I have come to expect this from Darkride66.

[Anon1974]

I'm fully aware that you were arguing that metacritic scores never take into account differences in the various versions of the game...but you're dead wrong. Where it matters, where it drastically effects the overall product, metacritic scores reflect that fact. Of course not every site is going to do a screen shot by screen shot comparison because - well, why would they? Their business is reviewing games. A slightly blurred texture or missing shadow won't affect the overall game one iota. But when there's a clear difference this is reflected in metacritic scores.

Just look at some high profile games where we know there were drastic differences in the versions. Orange Box: 96 on the 360 versus 89. Ghostbusters: 80 360 versus 78 on the PS3, Fallout 3: 93 on the 360 versus 90 on the PS3.

We can clearly see that when there is a difference in the versions, this is reflected in metacritic scores.

And, like I mentioned before, Commodore's so called "a-t-a" comparisons are no different. They're just as subjective as any other reviewers opinion. Who says that if one game has lower resolution but the other has higher framerate, that resolution wins....or framerate wins? Again, it's just opinion. You're always going to have good and bad games, but when it comes down to "a-t-a" comparisons it's still going to come down to the reviewers opinion. Take Grand Theft Auto. Some said the 360 had better framerates. The 360 wins. Some pointed out the PS3 had much better draw distance and way less pop-in. The PS3 wins. Sam Houser of Rockstar said the PS3's color and blur effects suited the game better and was his personal preference. Who's right?

These "apple to apple" comparisons are no different then any other reviewers opinion. They're subject to interpretation.

I understand what's going on here. Commodore has in the past said all PS3 multiplats are "gimped", however, this isn't the opinion expressed by reviewers, and Metacritic scores show that so far this year, PS3 multiplats score higher. He's simply trying to discredit metacritic scores to favor his own narrow view of things (which is odd really. He doesn't have a PS3, doesn't play PS3 games so really can't speak on the topic with any credibility). It all comes down to the usual "console wars" nonsense with Commodore and if the bulk of professional reviewers don't agree with his theories, then they all must be wrong. It couldn't possibly be his theories that are off.

[Knightrid808]

I keep hearing people saying "wait for Vs, wait for Vs" but I really doubt it will look different than FF XIII. Why? If Vs ends up looking better, SE will have shot themselves in the foot. All these past few months they've been saying Xbox 360 hasn't affected the PS3 version.

All in all, don't be surprised if Vs ends up looking the same as FF XIII.

[jack_burt0n]

No dont expect to see pics or video of vs until 13 has shifted a million copies.

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

Maybe the Cutscenes arent as great

but Gameplay wise from what I've seen this look like one hell of a great RPG game for Next-Gen Console.

[squadass99]

there is a trailer on youtube which shows the credits to who is making Vs. these people include the team behind FFVII Advent Children, kingdom hearts. the script writers for the good FF games and kingdom hearts. music from the people who did kingdom hearts. etc. etc.

the trailer (if in need of a refresher) is this one "FF13 Versus DKΣ3713" its about 5 minutes long and features stunning graphics that are better than FFXIII.

[billbox2010]

i am really beginning to dislike sony, this is pissin me off with features going missing and delaying the release of ffXIII to accomodate the ps3crap.

bullshit this.

-signed:billgates the boss of ms

[NegativeCreep427]

Oh please join the rest of us on Planet Earth, because if you knew ANYTHING AT ALL, you would recognize that it is the Xbox 360 that has compromised the development of FFXIII and has caused the delays.

[frnkyl]

Do you pick 2 random MS related words out of a hat for your accounts?

[frnkyl]

lol is that why SE said the PS3 is 90% complete and the 360 is 30% complete?

[pippoppow]

Devs used the systems to their max. When there was a multiplatform game that was on both the PS2 and 360 the game would look a little better on the 360 which it should. PS2 was buy far more popluar and devs didn't try and make the games equal which would make the PS2 look bad. Is it because Sony didn't care, so didn't demand the game look the same? S MS demanding that versions of a game look the same this gen? I wonder. I think the game will be at least very good but shaving content or graphical detail to placate another console is dissapointing.

[green]

Boycott

[solar]

haha

[HDgamer]

Why can't they just release the game already. This game better be over 90 hours long.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Of course it has been affected. How much is up for debate, but there's no doubt it has been affected in a negative way due to being multi-console.

[corywebb93]

Thanks to the ps3 we will have to wait a extra year because its hard to make it on the ps3

and have gameplay compromise and graphics dumb down thanks to the ps3 low memory

Am tired and disgusted off sony cheating us gamers and making us wait extra 6 months so the ps3 version off games can be realesed

Like gabe newell one off the greatest minds in gaming says

Iff you see ps3 owner spray him in the face with bug spray

[Gue1]

Square can't fit the game on 3 dvd's...

[shutupandplay]

I love how everybody treats the ps3 like it has cancer. "you can do it", "we`re praying for you", "just another price drop and you might actually be good", "it`s okay, multiplats suck anyway", "keep your head high ps3!"

[FlipMode]

No one treats it like cancer since its the third fastest selling console. :-)

[frnkyl]

The PS3 does Cancer research. Do you do Cancer research? Didn't think so... :D

[Ilikegames76]

Maybe you got cancer of the mouth.

[Game13a13y]

who knows, may be one day the PS3 will be the one thing that saved his life should he got infected with cancer. that woud be real irony

[keysy420]

they are takinga but load of criticisim for going gmultiplat

[Godmars290]

Its that Square can't be taken for their word.

[Ri0tSquad]

I'm not saying 360 is gimping the PS3 version, but simply keeping it from releasing. Tekken 6 is seriously past due on PS3. The game has been running on PS3 for over what, 2 years now? There's no doubt in my mind that 360 has been holding the release date back. And for FFXIII, I remember reading about someone saying the PS3 version was completed first and then the 360 version was worked on. If it was exclusive to PS3, I think we would be playing it now or later this year.

Not much anyone can do at this point but speculate or complain.

[Major_Tom]

This might not even turn out to be a good game but it's awfully hard to dispute what just happened here with this game. People have compared the demo footage to the footage out now and it's fairly obvious what happened.

[TheMART]

Confirmed, PS3center, SDF army members making stuff up again. Real proof the PS3 isn't all that:

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it. The rasteriser is just a little bit slower - no two ways about that.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

GPU: 360 is faster
CPU: about the same.

Conclusion, PS3 is holding up development of games.

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...

EDIT

@ wxer below

"uncharted2 uses only 30% of the ps3 power
while the 360 maxed out because of GeOW2 "

You really believe what the devs tell you?

KZ2 maxed out the PS3. Uncharted 2 uses more then 30% of its power. No game maxes out hardware 100% ever. You should read your own link of Carmack better.

GPU, the PS3 has the slower one
CPU, about equal.

Final verdict: PS3 looses. Period. Can't argue anymore about that.

[wxer]

*snif* *snif*

whats thats bad smell ??
oh its this guy pulling sh1t outa his ass

uncharted2 uses only 30% of the ps3 power
while the 360 maxed out because of GeOW2

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It really is getting annoying.

"uncharted2 uses only 30% of the ps3 power "

Umm.. No.

I just watched Behind the Scenes on the latest EP of Qore and ND said very clearly they are using %100 of the Cell for Uncharted 2. Maybe you are thinking Uncharted 1.

Again.. the amount of lies, misinformation and pure BS on this place is getting annoying.

[FlipMode]

Haha you think the PS3 is hindering development of games? haha

[saint_john_paul_ii]

TheMART at Xboxkings

why so butthurt? need preparation H?

[felidae]

oh .. the man without a brain is back!

no life no sex no iq ... it´s TheMART

[HypnoticMonkey]

*sighs*

Thanks Microsoft.

[Kushan]

I am not quite ready to believe that the game has been compromised in any way, however if it has, the 360 isn't to blame - Squeenix is. There's nothing stopping them making the game as good as it can be on BOTH systems, if they decided to downgrade both because of one system alone, that was their decision.

[The Wood]

with the little help of a fat cheque maybe.... It takes two to tango and neither party can be blameless to sony's FF fans. 360 guys on the other hand are fine.

OK then, if this game was an exclusive, which we all knew it was, do you think ms wouldnt use their cash to make sure the games got released simultaneously and as similar looking as possible. They'd be dumb not to IF they paid. Anyway the demo is testament to the FACT that something's changed and if the ps3 version was almost complete then why are the games getting released at the same time huh. FFvs will also put a lot of our queries to bed as its a true exclusive. Either way we'll see and there will be no hiding place for SE if the downgrade gets exposed.

[bigjclassic]

Its all about if this will be the best FF since 7. Hopefully the story and gameplay will live up to the long wait.

Also FFvXIII is an Action RPG, Action RPGs are okay but I prefer traditional JRPGs, so FFXIII is where it is going to be for me. Overall it is kinda sad that we will still be waiting for a true next gen JRPG, since Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and WKS are just kinda average.

[cmrbe]

lol! this is too funny. Carry on guys/gals.

Gimped,gimped,gimped!!!.

[OmarJA]

The 360 has affected the gaming industry in both games & hardware...

[wxer]

360 always gimp good games
same well go on with MGS:R

well i hope all the xbox's get RROD and you second disks scratch while your in the middle of the game

HAHAHAHAHA

im out of bbls so good buy

[Game13a13y]

+ bubbles for you, you make alot more sense than that dumbsh*T president over at SE.

[Grandreaper9999]

SE is dipping dangerously deep in the greedy pot with their most prized franchise, and when this game releases, it's going to be the most picked-apart comparison we've ever seen.

Fact remains, any time they spend on the 360 version is time they took away from polishing/making the (once exclusive) PS3 version better. You can't argue against that. Split up a team to do each version? Spreading thin. Finish development early on one version, move team over to port other version, release first version in Japan early. Still Spreading thin. Heck, word has it that they're planning DLC packs for the game.

All this stuff about including Japanese voice and whatnot COULD be added, the target renders COULD be matched, this COULD be a major benchmark title, but the exclusive focus just isn't there, and SE has to release the game some time..

Does anyone actually believe SE can outdo Sony's first party studios, AND all companies that made the most highly acclaimed 360 games (graphically speaking)? I think they'll claim some ground on the 360 side, but as for the other... Lol, they can always try.

[corywebb93]

Dont compare a below average game like unfarted to the legendary gears off war

Compare uncharted to games in its league like vampire rain haze lair barbie horse adventures etc

and metal gear solid rising is going to be a real game not a movie with 9 hour cutscnes and 30 minutes off gameplay since kojima is not involve

[cmrbe]

Gears of Glitch?.

[Wolf873]

why can't they just make PS3 version better or expanded (for lack of better term), why does it has to be the same? Blu-Ray has more capacity for storage, so it shouldn't be a problem to include almost everything that was initially developed with PS3 in mind.

I know this would mean that 360 version might be inferior in terms of content but people who have 360 will buy it on 360, no? If they have both consoles, they'll obviously go for one that offers no hassle of disc-change. Or they could just create more discs.

*Edit: If you're gonna disagree at least explain why? I asked but a simple question of why can't Ps3 version has more stuff if it can handle it? Is it something about a contract with either of the companies?

[Grandreaper9999]

SE COULDN'T DO THAT.

They'd upset their E3 2010 neighbors.

[cmrbe]

If thats the case then the x360 version won't sell much which in turns wasted their money on development and publishing. The reason why they put in on the x360 is so to sell as many copies as well on the x360. If the x360 crowd gets wind that the x360 version is less quality it will result in less sales than otherwise. As a PS fan i would do the same. I will never buy a sub bar version for the same price of the better version of a game.

[jack_burt0n]

supposedly it is a part of the contract the game will be the same and release same day in the west.

maybe they could do an asian version with more stuff like dual languages.

Funny thing is tho without the MS contract I doubt the game wld have seen an english release b4 fall 2010 even if the jp ps3 version had hit this summer.

[Wolf873]

But if you have only one of the consoles, surely you will buy for that one right? Not everyone would go out and buy a console for one game, maybe few exceptions. Only some percentage of people have both systems, I assume majority still has either variation of one current gen console mixed with a Wii or PS2 or DS etc etc.

[cmrbe]

offcourse if you are a hardcore FF fan and can't afford a PS3 but my point is. Allowing one version to be better than the other version will not maximise sales on the console the with sub bar version. SE dosen't want that. No mullt-plat dev/publisher would want that. Thats why they always state that they are equal.

[makingdamage]

cmrbe:
I´m curious, what facts are there to back up your argument that one version will sell less than the other because of it being worse (even though that´s up to the player to decide)? Shouldn´t all multiplat sell better on the 360 then since that´s the console with the superior version of multiplat games (at least it used to be if you ask some persons)?

[cmrbe]

No there are no facts. I am just using common sense to make my point. Qeustion to you is. Have you ever heard a multi-plat dev said one console version is better than another?. Sofar in my 24 years of gaming no multi-plat devs ever stated so. Do you remember what happened to the Orange box?.

[makingdamage]

No I haven´t but still people argue that that´s the case.
The only thing I know is that some people said it was worse than the 360 version, I can´t comment on sales numbers if that´s what you talking about.
They way I see it, the company wouldn´t loose anything by trying to do the best version they possible can on each system even if it means that there will be differences.
If the ps3 version of FF13 really would be the better version, the 360 owners wouldn´t loose anything because the game would still be as good as it could be on the 360. Sure, people with both a 360 and ps3 might choose the ps3 version but it doesn't matter to the company.

[billbox2010]

With FFXIII high price budget a 360 release was sqaures only way of getting a profit for the game and it was a very smart decision as well. FFXIII on ps3CRAP alone wouldnt have gained the type of sales sqaure is seeking and game sales like LBP and R2 are representative of this...

[Game13a13y]

they don't make alot of profit on 360. look at sales for Blue Dragon, Star Ocean, FF XI, Lost Odyssey, and Last Ramnant. they all tanked, the Xpoop 54.2 is a FPS console for the most part, JRPG won't sell, silly bots would rather play Halo 3.

[nolifeking]

I that were truly the case, they would be releasing the 360 version in Japan. You know, the place where FF gets most of it's sells.

[djaparatic]

superb article... I didnt even think about these problems.... awful. Cant belive what they did to a game that made that company....

[MetalGearBear]

FF13(PS3 version)>all dumb xbots.

[nolifeking]

It's amazing how supposed gamers are perfectly content with this obvious downgrade. Regardless of if the game is good or bad, why would anyone ignore such blatant lies and a loss in quality is beyond me. I'm still gonna buy the game, but the entire time the idea of how much better it could be will be in the back of my mind.

One more thing: If side quest become the DLC that was never suppose to happen, I'll take a dump on my cousins 360.

[Ashriel]

yeah, you can complain all you want, but you ARE still going to buy the game, right hypocrite?

oh, and I'm sure the 360 is going to make both the gameplay and story worse, of course.

[villiers]

ANYONE REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN FF GAMES WERE MULTI-DISC ON THE PS1?

lulz

[nolifeking]

I also remember blowing on cartridges in the nes days, doesn't mean I should be doing it almost 20 years later.

[Vivi]

Seeming as FF games on the PS1 were multi-disc and turned out to be fine.

Besides read this-

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

360= 4 discs and compression....

Seems like it's gonna be a huge game to me.

[jack_burt0n]

I am not really that bothered but what the article is trying to say is that it limits the structure of the game meaning having to go back to a location could require you to have to disc swap multiple times and its a valid point.

[phantomexe]

The 360 is a great system but it's not as powerful as the ps3.I do think the xbox is great but it is sad they dumed the ff down to fit the xbox.Wii owners complain about dumed ports all the time.Nothing really built for it buy 3rd partys so like the wii the ps3 gets a dumed down xbox port.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Mart GTA4 was such a poorly made game even PC gamers raged about how poor the game was made & looked. Even after modding the game to pieces the game just wouldn't progress in anything due to the way the devs made the game. It looked best on the 360 because it's easier to make shoddy games like GTA4 on the 360's piss easy hardware flippin I could've done it in a flippin year using the 360's hardware.

It's amazing how you bring up a dev that completely miss used the PS3 (RS) yet you ignore ND and other exclusive devs working for Sony who are making games on the PS3 with ease and not only that but their games are the best looking games out on the market and that goes for Insomniac, ND, GG, ICO and many other devs including PD.

These guys 'KNOW' how to 'USE' the PS3's Cell based architecture with perfection unlike RS who made a shoddy game that ended up being bought for the full price and then being sent back the very next day WHY? because of lack of 'QUALITY' something that all PS3 exclusives have.

From the day the PS3 came out I always said that the 4th & 5th years of the PS3 will be it's prime years that will show the true potential of the console and onwards and it looks like it's already started without warning near the end of it's 3rd year and you all got a taste of it's power in it's 1st year with Uncharted 1 & R&CF:TOD.

The 360's doomed in every field of the playground and there is no longer any contest between the two because the PS3's already pushing ahead of that pathetic excuse of a console.

[cheapndirty]

So you could could make a game of gta'4 visual quality on the 360? I will pay money to see that.

[creepjack]

You fanboys can say what ever you want, but the current screens seem to suffer from a dull blurriness, the EXACT SAME dull blurriness that many PS3 games suffer from due to the Blur Filter developers have to use instead of standard AA on the PS3 to help with jaggies and framerate. Don't believe me? Look it up, it's easy to find info on it.

I think many of you need to take off the rose colored Sony glasses and think about a few things before you jump to conclusions and immediately blame the 360 for the current changes.

And to the few that said the 360 has yet to match Uncharted, LOL. The game looks good initially, but after playing it a while you start seeing the graphics are really a mixed bag. Gears still kills it in many areas.

[poeo]

if you're talking about Quinqunx AA, then i think you're exaggerating a lot. many games look just fine on PS3 using that technique to smooth out jaggies. (Far Cry 2, RE5, KZ2 for example).

to say it makes games look too blurry is insane.

[creepjack]

Yes I am talking about that, and that is exactly what the screens look like. Compare games like Bioshock on the 360 and PS3, its night and day. THe PS3 version has a blurriness all over it, where the 360 version does not. And that isnt the only game its evident in, either.

[poeo]

umm i have played Bioshock on the PS3 and 360, could not tell a single difference, other than the PS3 version being a lot smoother. it seriously looks like 60fps when you turn v-sync off, i dunno if that option is available on the 360 version.

but maybe i should have sat closer with a magnifying glass to spot differences in pixels... you saying the differences are "night and day" is a ridiculous exaggeration.

[poeo]

i dont care about the graphics that much since im not a graphics whore, as long as it looks great im ok.

BUT.. here's the thing...

if the PS3 version is lacking Japanese voices, then THAT is a clear sign that the PS3 version was downgraded and that Microsoft forced/begged Square-Enix to keep the versions equal content-wise. Square-Enix themselves have said that they "could" put the Japanese voice tracks in the NA/EU release if they want to, there is no technical issue preventing them. so if they're not there when the game releases... i WILL blame Microsoft's unethical business practices and the f*cking idiotic decision to stick with DVD9. sorry.

[dagreylion]

This is no longer a first day buy. Thank you Microsoft for not only killing 2 of my 360's, but destroying the game industry with your Selfish Actions...

[SpartanZero]

It wasn't just GTA4. Look at Bioshock and Lost Planet they look worse on the ps3 even though the released at at a later date. Multiplats look better on the 360 because of the 360's unified shaders archeticture. The cell doesn't do much too help. Carmack stated that they are about the same. As for Uncharted and killzone 2 they are using an engine designed to get the most of the ps3. Those games also were made with the 1gb dev kits with Edge tools so these games are really pushing the ps3.

http://360.kombo.com/articl...

MS is doing something similar to this with their x-engine and their 1GB devkit. They also said that future exclusives will surpass everything that has been seen on the ps3. IBM said that both the 360 and ps3 cpu were fairly equal. The problem is the ps3s GPU. Carmack stated that it was slower and that was why rage was running at 20 to 30fps. The Xenos GPU gives the 360 the better performance when it comes to graphics.

[frnkyl]

They also said HDMI isn't needed and that RROD has been fixed... Oh wait... XD

[JJFNIGHTS80]

It's because M$ PAYS LIKE ON EVERY DEV FOR A GAME ON THEIR CONSOLE LOTS OF MONEY, AND M$ WANTED IT ON THEIR SYSTEM, BUT FOR THOSE XBOX 360 OWNERS THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH 3 OR MORE DVD DISC. WHILE THE PS3 VERSION IS ALREADY COMPLETED ON ONE DISC. it's way of M$ marketing and gaining more market share on their console. SE really don't care if a game is delayed or push back as long they get paid in royalties. So it sucks for all FF fans that it will be out next year for the U.S. Europe and other regions, but that's my opinion & that's how I feel when PS3 get's delayed on certain games.

[makingdamage]

If true, this is a great example of a company who´s not in the business to make the greatest game they possible can but only to make as much money as possible. As a gamer, I think that´s just really sad.

[ZBlacktt]

This game is SO going to picked apart when it is released late due to the port. Critic's are going to have the Japan version, the US version's of the PS3 and Xbox. They are going to run through this game second by second, frame by frame. Trust us all, the flaws will be posted within 24 hours of side by sides. So there will be NO hiding of changes an or down grades.

[ajselectronichelprs]

they cant have it be 20 xbox discs

[bunbun777]

Make the Japanese voices available for download for both consoles.

yea it sucks for the non internet enabled players and it shouldnt have to be that way, but at least those with the hard drive space can choose ourselves if we want to.

---Hey Death i understand anyone can do as they please and the concept of business and pleasure when it comes to video games... but you don't even seem to care about this game, and since you own both consoles for release, are you not a bit upset about getting a diminished product, or are voiceovers something that just should not matter?

If they cant seem to fit the VOICES on both versions, what ELSE is being left out?

[mochi]

PS3fanboy should shut up

[Blaine]

1. Both versions will maximize hardware potential.
2. Both versions will be identical.

How the eff are they going to maximize both hardware if they're going to be identical?

[Digitaldude]

Exactly, good thinking.

[zaldare]

... even a blind duck could of figured that out.

[Karlnag3]

... even a blind duck could have worded that sentence correctly.

[Solotov]

Multiple discs didn't stop Final Fantasy 7 from becoming the most beloved/popular Final Fantasy ever.

[Socomer 1979]

It must of been a tough summer. What with the no games having betabox.
Now it's September, you've played shadow complex for a total of 6 hours.
The betabox has been stored in the freezer in a ziplock the entire summer
& it's time to warm it up for some... Yawn ! Splinter cell from ubisoft.

Then what?
Any multiplayer games for that so called paid for service betabox lives?
Nope.
Odst & left 4 dead 2? Two dlc pieces of cartoon crap with outdated graphics & primitave gameplay.
Yawn...

Wow! I'm so excited I mean really I never thought the betabox could make the bar raising revolutionary games that
Innovate the genre. Wait! No... I'm pretending to be cool but I'm bored as fck!

What else?
Oh the multiplats!
Oh yeah it's time to use my goggles with magnification 100X!
I mean if I had to pay to go online with codmw2 I would invest in some pixel counting
Goggles for the tube television too. If I still had a tube tv.

Now, we wait for npd . I'm American & I work with finance so this is interesting but the xbutts on n4g aren't American. They live in the holland, onkerdong alley under a bridge. It's pathetic. All to thank the lord for a years headstart to show a betabox game sold 30,000 more copies. That's incredible... Not really.

But umm you xbutts fight the good fight & I'll use the ps browser to look at some rrod betasboxes getting shot by thier former owners. There's hundreds of thousands of those videos.

All I hear are excuses as to why betabox games don't rock like ps3 games.

1.) M$ don't have 60 million
2.) uncharted ain't even that good
3.) devs wanna get paid
4.) multiplats are so much better
5.) a extra years worth Of xbutts prove on npd that betabox games are more popular
6.) they've been waiting for the recycling & really excited
7.) graphics don't matter & redundant gaming is the way to go
8.) new I.P.'s? Who needs em?!
9.) only 1 first party studio matters & that's fable!

Gtfo!
Ps3 domination!
Anything else would be uncivilized.

& to think xbutts have spent almost 5 years getting phased out by ps3.
How scary is it knowing that 3rd party can butt fck microsoft at the drop of a dime?
That includes bungie & epic.

Wierd how you can scrutinize a ps3 games for years but betabox games... There's no argument because it does what It can for a outdated & outclassed system. It's very funny to read the tears. The stress. The hardwork involved in downplaying ps3. 3rd place, 2nd fastest selling console in history with a install base that buys. Now xbutts, we have our price cut.

[cheapndirty]

Don't you think you take this console stuff too seriously?

[Digitaldude]

Conclusion, FF13 will be crappy-mediocre.
Screw you MS.

[Ashriel]

Keep crying in N4G and don't buy the game :3

[Crystallis]

Heres my take on this whole situation. I have no problem with my beloved Final fantasy going to another console, but I have a BIG problem if the ps3 is hindered b/c of the development by the 360. The hindered of the ps3 version of FFXIII b/c of another console is just wrong and bad for the folks who forked over the cash to get a ps3 for FFXIII.

So do we have proof that the 360 has hindered the ps3 version of FFXIII? Sure we do. Lets take a look at the current games on the ps3. Uncharted, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 etc. Do I need to go on, and I bet you 100% VersusXIII will look loads better then FFXIII and when we see the evidence of that the truth will be told.

What a shame whats happening to gaming today. The hinderance of one particular game b/c of another console. Cant blame MS really, all the blame goes to SE b/c of there greedy attitude......

[Neo604]

MS is evil.

[Belasco]

How very original. MS is evil.

[sin1161]

@Socomer 1979

Bubbles for you man you've summed up all the xbots crap we hear all these years keep it up.

[cheapndirty]

Who cares...

[no_more_trolling]

this site is ridiculous

[J@D]

that comment make u even more ridiculous for be here (thinking on that way of ur). If u don't like it the go away and dont come backkk!!!. Happy now :)

P.D.
I think I earn an ignore for this XD. Like I care :)

[Larry L]

Kool, I can finally post here from my PS3 browser. There's a nice little hidden upgrade in 3.0. I don't know what would make that difference, but I'm happy. I signed up from PS3's browser a long time ago but could never post. Anyway.

I agree with what Death said (Death's Head....classic comic) in comment 3.2 about when Square said both version will be the same from a gameplay point of view, and in fact, this Death didn't bring up, they were specific to point out that the 2 games would be the same "where it matters", and from Squares POV, I think that refers to the same gameplay, same story, same dialogue and so forth. I think when the game finally comes out, the PS3 version is going to look quite a bit better than 360's. But where it counts, the games will be identical, LOL

Another reason I think this, besides the quote, is the 2 FF13 E3 trailers from this past E3. On directly comparable screens, side by side, the PS3 trailer look better in may ways including lighting, textures and particle effects.

[Godofwar3rapes]

the only contribution that the 360 has made to ff13 is the rrod

[7ero H3LL]

"Joined N4G 32 minutes ago"

http://www.n4g.com/up/10174...

.....you joined up so that you can say all that?

sony droids they're all the same.

find one unique sony fanboy that has something new to say.

you probably have multiple accounts too.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

for not having seperate dev teams, or not making the PS3 version priority!

This has nothing to do with the 360 version!, this is purely just people passing on the blame!

What I don't get is people b!tch and moan over all these other top selling great games being overhyped and being crap... when I think this is the most over-rated games ever...

This game has seen too many sequals and itterations that I truely just want this franchise to die off... if you want to talk about beating a dead horse, this franchise bakes the cake, takes the cake, and eats the cake! of ANY other gaming franchise!

[gameraxis]

what about the sudden drop in graphic fidelity? that's what really pisses me off as the ps3 version was confirmed "close to finished" as the 360 one was introduced...

[POSTERBOY34]

man i want be gettin dis game now

[CaitSith]

In the end, I'm still going to purchase it. ^>^

[iamthebozz]

I don't get it... Why is it that companies like Bandai Namco can get away with having 2 versions of one product, such as Eternal Sonata and the upcoming Tales of Vesperia (PS3), which feature additional content on one console (PS3) and not on the other (360). I am disgusted with SE's behaviour.

I just don't get Square Enix. I would think they'd feel a bit obliged to add more content to the PS3 version seeing as how Sony Computer Entertainment helped bail them out after that horrid Spirits Within movie and are SE's fourth largest shareholder.

[tawak]

am buying versus as long its not multiplat and as for this downgraded version I'm pirating this one

[J@D]

Nobody need to be Albert Einstein to figure that out... it more that obvious which it's kinda sad to be honest.

Hope for Nomura-san and his team to unleashed the potential of the PS3 with VersusXIII will and XIII missed on this process.

[DelbertGrady]

This must be the case since they have no evidence at all.

[Knightofelemia]

I honetly think that FF13 is going to be a rental before I buy the game if I like it then I will buy it. But since Squares last 3 titles I found boring on the 360 I don't want to waste 60 bucks again. Since Square has hyped 13 so much I can say I am loosing interest in it and I want more info on the new RPG Sega is working on or more info on VS13 those two look very interesting. But what I don't understand is Microsoft pays Square, Suare bends over and kisses Microsofts ass. But Sony also owns 30% of Square do they not have a say in anything or is Sony playing the Silent partner. I wish the Japanese voices and side quests were open frely on the game but to Square its what we would call DLC another way to make money off a 60 dollar title. And what I really still can figure out is no Ff13 on the 360 in Japan I thaught Microsoft would atleast want a piece of that action japanese riot for the next new RPG look what happened when Tales of Vesperia came out in Japan.

[slave2Dcontroller]

ALL they want. I have my solution, dumb down their sells. As much as its gonna kill me, I wont be playing FF13 day 1 like most of you. In fact I wont be playing it until I can find a used copy of it to assure myself that SE doesnt see a red cent from me FF13 wise. The more of these stories that surface the more pissed I get. My money is hard earned and HONEST so theres no way in hell I'll be paying reatil price for this mucked up lie of an ip.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

"Shak @ PS3Center.net writes..."

Nuff said.

[riceandbeans]

Another flamebait article with no legitimate proof or hard evidence to back it up. Woo hoo.

[foreverflame]

Expect the 360 version to be superior on 3 discs,While the PS3 will struggle with the framerate and YLOD on itself,Ps3 fantards don't u forget that we got lost odyssey the TRUE next gen JRPG game on the 360 once FFVSXIII and FFXIV jumpship to the 360 it's over for the Betastation3,jump in

[slave2Dcontroller]

Thats cute, Like getting shot 3 times instead of one.

[J@D]

Open Zone on that way >>> Fool!

[raztad]

Sad situation for my fellow PS3 owners and FF fans.

I'm not a huge FF fan so I was debating about whether or not to get this game. I'm not. SE really pissed me off BIG TIME. Gimped visuals, less content, a more linear and restricted game and DLC is not something I want to pay $60 for.

[MaximusPrime]

ff13 was announced back in 2006 during sony's conference. Now, it has been delayed many times by MS. Now i have no interests in FF13, PS3 has far better games.

[insomnium]

Best ever.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Interesting read.

[sjaakiejj]

What is this? I keep seeing these articles

Has been!
Has Not!
HAS BEEN!
HAS NOT!

The press are acting like little children about a difference that you can barely see, let alone will pay attention to when playing.

[sak500]

You can say the same for Heavy rain, afrika and many other games exclusives shown by sony and turned out to be gimped graphically and due to what? what ? ????? Heavy rain as its coming closer to release date the actual gameplay is looking like ps2 version of alone in the dark

[sjaakiejj]

If Heavy Rain looks like a Ps2 game, then Christmas is tomorrow and Santa Clause is real.

[solsub]

Don't bother with this guy. He was clearly dropped head-first when he was a child.

[JeepGamer]

This would be the second major game to suffer from Microsoft's standard business practice of not creating better products, but throwing money until they 'win', and consumers always suffer for it.

[Enigma_2099]

... is that with the proof... right here.. in their face... there are people who still disagree with this.

[ipe]

u dont stop to impress everytime u write something stupid here.

1.kz2 didnt cost 60mil.but 20,25mil and still pisses on every single 360 game

2.it surpased e3 trailer if u actually played game on 1080p tv

3.gta4 ps3 version upscales to 720p and thanks to effect it looks and performs better than 360
http://www.vg247.com/2008/0...

4.pls.of course carmack ll say ey are equal to promote game or not to offend feeding hand aka MS.

5.so 360 is stronger hardware???????? dont think so

rsx(1.8 tflops overall performance)>360 gpu 1 tflop overal performance
rsx(24 shader pipelines,each produce 5.7 op/s,total 136 sop/s)>360 gpu(48 shader pipelines,each produce 2 op/s,total 96 sop/s)

cell+rsx(100 bilion shader operations)>360 gpu+cpu (48 bilion shader operations)

ps3 51 bilion dot operations>360 9 bilion dot operations

cell 218 gflops overal floatinf performance>360 cpu 115 gflops floating performance

overal
ps3 is capable over 2.1 tflops overal performace,while 360 can hardly achieve 1 gflop overal performance(ps3 is 2x more poverfull than 360 without blueray as some fact,Floating point calculations are very important for graphics, multimedia, and game physics, but considerably less important for other tasks like artificial intelligence)

http://www.vgescape.com/fea...
http://hardware.teamxbox.co...
http://info.sonicretro.org/...

[Belasco]

posting hardware specs you obviously dont understand.

[Meryl]

if ppl think heavy rain looks like a ps2 game, then they really are either blind or ignorant. if heavy rain were coming to the xbox all those fanboys would be all all it like kids with candy and they would be praising its high graphics, i am getting really fed up of all the delusional fanboys who think all xbox games have better graphic because microsoft says so.
anyway to the point the ps3 demo was superior i have seen it myself, it was going to be a masterpiece, but now, who knows...
ffvs is the rpg for me now, ffxiii is just a rental

[ps12&3lover]

why did this ever go multi anyway..damn its fvcked up they had to mess up a great game..its not like its going to sale millions on 360 anyway..can the ps3 get a brake..either a game looks bad cuz of a crappy port or it looks bad cause it has to be dumb down for the wreck box3fixme..damn thats why i love ps3 exclusives..we dont go through all that bullsh1t

[lucifon]

Not sure why im putting my foot in here when I think its a loada bullshit but hey what the hell. I have both consoles and enjoy playing them both. All this crap about them making cuts on the PS3 version graphically to let it fit on DVDs is an absolute load of rubbish. Remove your fanboy tinted rose glasses and put your e-peen's aside for once.

If they wanted to make the PS3 version graphically superior yet the 360 version couldn't handle it then MAKE the PS3 version graphically superior. Many multiplatform games used to be superior on one console, thats because they make cuts on that console. Scale down the graphics etc. Why on earth would they do it for both for the sake of it, stop being ridiculous.

The graphics got very very slightly worse because they set the bar extremely high initially and during development you have to scale back to be realistic and achieve what you want to achieve, not due to some fanboy idea of one console causing it. And certainly not to be believed from a completely random console specific gaming site intentionally saying crap to get hits.

[phantomexe]

OK fact graphics take up most of the space on a standard hd dvd.Blueray has an almost unlimited supply...almost but far more then a hd dvd.....So wouldn't that mean SE hadn't set the bar to high on the Ps3 but ran out of space on the xboxs,so then dumed the ps3s down so they looked almost the same in graphics?Tell me if i'm wrong beacase thats the way i understand it. Blueray = alot more space.Graphics take up like 90% of disc space.

[FF]

The proof that the PS3 has not been affected by 360.
The current picture is better than the demo picture.

[bjornbear]

The top one looks like an image from the screen, the bottom one looks like the same image in direct feed....doesn't prove anything =/

[Bullseye]

Hmm.. This is clear only to the delusional! I have both consoles, and have reasons why I prefer one console over the other in some respects and visa versa. However, PS3 games gimped by 360! You gotta be joking,right? Every time I hear this I realise how farcical some fans are.They would rather miss out on superb games -on a 'rival' console,than admit that their console of choice wasn't made by God! And stop with this PS3 graphics unmatched blah blah.I play both consoles and this greatly touted graphical difference simply DOESN'T, in reality at least, exit!!

[Trebius]

First things first...when you type, slow down, let your thoughts flow carefully to the tips of your fingers and be gentle...you seemed very excited at the time you typed this, it shows...

but anyway...sorry to burst your bubble...but you are undoubtedly brainwashed to the point of no return.

When you can honestly say you see no difference in graphic quality between ps3 and 360, thats when everyone can honestly believe your opinion is about as useful as a jacuzzi in hell.

[bjornbear]

You'd be surprised at the number of people that lie on here just to prove a point.

Two facrtors: Switch on RGB Full range and Super White in ur display options on PS3, if you have one =)

Also, use your eyes =) it helps to be unbiased about these things. PS3 > 360 in graphics just like 360 > PS3 in online service...its not fanboyism. its FACT =D if it hurts...well...sorry

[cygnuszero]

What is with this site constantly linking to biased fanboi articles? Anyone that owns both consoles is well aware that the machines are pretty equal to each other in almost every way.

Get better job, make more money, buy both consoles, profit. Saying the PS3 version is gimped is silly considering most multiplatform games look better on the 360.

[Gamingskills]

I could of swore that the PS3 version was already near complete when they announced the 360 version so how is it possible that the graphics are being dumbed down because of the 360 version, oh let me guess they went back to the PS3 version and reprogrammed it to look worse so it would be on par with the 360, how much sense does that make, NONE, its not true. When the game was shown for the first time at E3 it was a TARGET RENDER!!!!!!! Now lets go in the past when the rumor that MGS4 was going multiplatform Sony fans were crying that the graphics were getting worse so it must be true that its going multiplatform, WRONG!!!!!! Now here we are today with the same issue. The bottom line is no one knows how the game is going to be the same or different until it comes out, so lets stop trying to be profits and wait till the game is released before we pass judgement!!

[kraze07]

You're delusional if you think the game won't be gimped down.

[Senden]

The article writer sounds like a bitter fanboy jumping on the latest thing in his beloved ps3's favour and nitpicking at stuff. All the points made won't effect a very large majority of the people picking up the game anyway. And while i'd rather have japanese voiceovers, it's not something to jump up and down about.

And to moan about the pacing that it isn't on one disc.. please.. ff7 is considered one of the finest games ever made, did having it on three discs matter?

Anyway, fanboys please continue silly articles like this as it makes for amusing reading at just how resentful and pathetic arguments are getting these days.. rock on!

[dredgewalker]

If there is someone to blame then blame SE for trying to please 2 masters. I only have a very little amount of respect for Square this past few years because they havent released any game for the PS3 considering that the playstation was the one who made their company profitable. I dont care about this console war, just give me a decent game to play with. If they have to release games for the 360 then they should at least release the same amount of games on the PS3 because it makes the fans feel betrayed.

[Rai]

duh whoever actually believed that the 360 didnt do anything to the ps3 version is a moron. better yet whoever believes a word that comes out of squares mouth is a moron.

[lightningsax]

This really isn't too much of a big deal in the long run. 13 may have some problems because of the multiplatform thing, but it can't be half as bad as having 2 or 3 team shakeups and weird dissent among the creators the way 12 did.

10 was a bit too linear for its time, but it was still a very well-made game, the same way that gourmet food can include hot dogs and hamburgers if they're done right. I wouldn't mind a somewhat linear game if they do it right, such as telling a well-paced story, including interesting gameplay, having secret weapons and such that actually help you in the game, not having an awful loot system, and not including Vaan, Penelo, or Princess Ashe.

Does this make me sound like I hated 12 beyond belief? Yes? Good.

[Belasco]

should all just admit you dont know jack crap about making games and call it a day.

[Gamer1111]

i would think its the developers gimping it...its not the 360 fault...just like all the other multiplaform ps3 games run and look like sh!t compared to the 360....have we been though this...ps3 is good for exclusives and blu-ray..taaa daaa

[celldomceen1]

There is a very simple way to fix this problem, two ways actually. 1) Buy the game when it comes out and shut up! 2)Dont buy the game when it comes out and shut up! It's very simple, if the game plays well and doesnt look as good as you believe it should, how does that diminish the experience you have while playing. And there is a lot of people saying "ON NOZ its a rental for me without the Japanese VO'S" STFU!!!!!!!!!!! you people want to just complain thats all. And im a primary ps3 player. And now you 360 guys get over it. The games has been downgraded to accommodate the 360. so what you guys weren't gonna buy it anyway, LOL, just like every other rpg that has come your way. And oh yea i own a 360 too so no fanboy over here.

[lightningsax]

Valid, I guess, but there is one distinct advantage to Japanese voice tracks in Japanese games. Generally, a Japanese game is going to have a bigger budget for their own voice-actors than the translation. You'll wind up with better-quality actors reading the original script, not a translation made to fit into the same amount of time. For example, check out the difference between Japanese and English Tidus: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

While English voice acting is getting better over time (just look at Resident Evil 1 vs. Resident Evil 5!), it's still good to hear things the way they were first intended to be heard, a bit like drinking Guinness on tap in Ireland as opposed to the nitrogen-bottle method in the US.

Exceptions to this rule in the Japanese to English translation field may include Miyazaki films, mainly because of the giant Disney budget they get to localize them for the States. They put real actors behind those characters. Even then, I still prefer Japanese w/subtitles.

[celldomceen1]

Oh i agree with you but there is just an overabundance of b!tching going on about everything all the time. I just wanted to give a few options to alleviate those problems. If the japanese VO's are a deal sealer for some people then they should seal the deal dont buy the game and go about their merry way. I think people would complain about this game no matter what and its a shame considering its not even out yet.

[Gamer_Politics]

sony fans dont care about the FF series anymore because its multiplat....

[Grimm10]

FFXIII on the PS3 alone will outsell Uncharted 2 BY FAR.

Uncharted 1 WORLDWIDE SALES- 2mil

FFX USA sales - 1.8mil
FFX EU sales - 1.4mil

FFXII USA sales- 2mil
FFXII EU sales - 1.1mil

I'M NOT EVEN COUNTING JAPAN HERE LOL!!!!!!!

It's a bigger, better and more loved franchise PERIOD.

[Becko]

If the game would have stayed as a PS3 exclusive graphics and polygons number would have been more like Uncharted2/HeavyRain graphics... to be honest,... the difference from one time to another it is obvious, we got a downgrade... blind yourself if u want but I wont

[Trebius]

I just think it's sad that all these kids arguing in favor of 360 cant let go of the fact that their system is not made for next-gen gaming, it's made for gaming.

Doesnt necessarily mean it's a bad thing, but it IS bad to think that the 360 is top of the line, next gen equipment.

360 is a gaming machine, not next gen gaming machine...it TRIES hard, and barely succeeds.

All my friends with 360s are still playing Gears2 everyday (only game they have really other than Halo) and when I watch them play I cant help but think... THIS ... is what 360 fanboys are praising as the UE3 graphical masterpiece? so sad...

[Gue1]

Poor FFXIII... ;_;

[tawak]

yea except for ps3 exclusive uncharted 1 still one of the best graphix of there that i played

[btz]

PS3 fanboys are just pissed off because MS bought the "rights" to have FFXIII on 360. Who cares about graphics? And i can play for how many hours I want, rrod free!!

[bjornbear]

Gimpness

[slave2Dcontroller]

I'm only buying it when I can find it used. Thats not boycotting but atleast SE wont make money off of me from FF13. SE has had little to no success with ANY of the RPG's that they released on the 360. Star Ocean4 did ok in Japan but everywhere else they all sold piss poor. So why they dumb down a franchise for the sake of a 360 fanbase that clearly hasnt supported any of their games is beyond me. Money talks and If MS can use theirs to work for SE then I can can use mine to work against them. HELLO GameStop Used PS3 game section. WOOT!

[FxckOSX]

Poor GPU on 360

[Gamefan79]

I'm going on record here now.Final Fantasy 15 Xbox next exclusive.They have clearly jumped ship here.It doesn't matter to Square if the ps3 was 199 and the xbox 299.It was never about console sales.Ms gave them money for 13 and for future games.You can believe it wasn't just 13.I think the xbox will get 15 as well.You know 14 is coming and id say so will versus,and Kingdom hearts 3.If square had never came out at e3 2006 and said it was coming to ps3,We would have never gotten that.Would have been 360 exclusive.like every other square enix next gen game

[saint_john_paul_ii]

not poor xbox gpu, but poor xbox cpu, ram, and Disc drive.

[KrimsonKody]

-_-
...Everyone one knows that any game made simultaneously on both systems,(FFXIII or other), that the game has to be equal, almost portable back and forth. No dev is going to develop 2 diffrent versions (one superior) of the same game. They lose production time and money. FFXIII has suffered this fate,
and maybe many other games will.

[KrimsonKody]

Only PS3 exclusives show off EXACTLY what the PS3 is capable of, and all past PS3 exclusives are examples of games that cannot be ported to 'other' systems,
sad, but true.

[CrashFallen]

ummm who didnt know this already?......

[boss_killa]

this game better be damn good.

square is sh'ttting on ps3 owners this gen. which doesnt make much sense since we supported them like crazy with the ps1 and ps2.

i just hope they use the ps3 wisely with ff13versus. they better not be in the mindset that "oh, well we cant make ff13 versus look much better than ff13, it might make MS mad" type of mentality.

sony really needs to get a 1st party of naughty dog's quality to make an rpg to show square how it's done on ps3.

[AriesFury]

I don't give a S*IT about FFXII anymore. Give me FF Vs instead.

[Obama]

Versus will look better, mark my words.

[McLuvn]

Sad and disappointing.

waited this long, another 2 years should see this thing hit the bargain bin.

XIV and VS XIII hopefully won't disappoint.

[CobraKai]

It's not just the graphics that was gimped, it was the content? Now that really sux!!!!

[Karibu]

Ofcourse we, who prefer to have dual language, must whine and keep noise about it until something happens. Just not buying the game, wont sent a message, as some suggest we should do. If SE knew how people feel about it, they'd propably do something about it. SE should offer japanese dub on disc for PS3 owners and in free DLC for X360.

I can take weakened graphics, but am unable to play in english voives 'cause they don't fit in and are mostly horrible. And I'm not english speaking person, many in EUROPE are not. This game will be a no buy as long as they don't offer to choose from preferred dub. This is a feature that doesn't ruin game for those who want it in english. It's really weird that some are against having more content and choises in game.

I found a petition, it has only handful of names, but there's always hope for the better. Better to do something than do nothing.

http://www.petitiononline.c...

[n to the b]

from the article: "The game's graphics have already been downgraded as has been shown in many comparison pictures..."

all I remember seeing on n4g was a failed comparison pics article, is this really true?

"He specifically mentions here that it is because they want to keep the game the same on both platforms, is that the Xbox 360 version not affecting the PS3 version? How hard can it be to include the Japanese audio track in the game?"

well if u really mean the part about how hard can it be to include the jap dialogue audio, then why do u cite the 360 as 'affecting the PS3 version'?

I don't know enough about Shak's (the author's) last point to comment. I can say however that this guy is another example of really cr@ppy writing on the internet. learn decent grammar if u want to write professionally, loser! :)

[vagisil]

yes it has been effected by 360, now final fantasy 13 will look better because of 360! can't wait to see the comparison videos for this. 360 rules this gen!

[rmasse16]

WAIT UNTIL THE CRITIC IF IT'S TRUE, PS3 FAN DON'T BUY THE GAME AND MAYBE SQUARE IS GOING TO REALIZE THAT A 360 PORT IS THE WORST DECISION THEY MADE.

[Pootangpie]

All the games sony or developers claim can't be done on the 360 are exclusive 1st Party ****ing exclusive sony owns the IP of course it can't be done sony isn't going to allow the port so saying Uncharted 2 can't be done on 360 is null and void unless they put there money where the mouth is and allow a port to 360 which you know is as likely as nintendo allowing zelda to go multiplatform to prove it can only be done on the wii thew PS3 is not unique is not powerful no games have an advantage with it there are developers are more talented in the visuals department and the 360 exclusives developers keep using on UE3 IBM has already stated that both CPU's for PS3/360 are pretty equal in terms of performance if anything the PS3 inferior it has an outdated older model NVIDIA GPU based on the geforce 7800 where as the 360 has a GPU based on the R600 which also supports DirectX10 if I might add PS3 can't even handle PC ports or 360 ports without getting a suffering in visuals it's been 3 years since the systems release developers have plenty of time to get the hang of the architecture if it's still haveing promblems with Multiplatform games it's obviously the hardware not the developers the e3 2006 trailers was prerendered and the dubbed trailer they showed at e3 looks even better I mean seriously grow the **** up this is not a conspiricy it's just you sony fanboys retarded assumptions

CobraKai Posted=It's not just the graphics that was gimped, it was the content? Now that really sux!!!!

oh so I take it you work for square and have proof of this and played the demo right? seriously STFU you bitter POS again it's retarded assumption on your part you have absoultly no proof

[jetlian]

it was the 360 version that weakened Killzones 2 gfx from e305!!
I guess it was the 360 version of motorstorm 2 that weakened it from the original trailer too lol

that one of the problems with sony trailers everyone decides they are ingame then when its truly shown its 360 fault lol. all the images i see people show of uncharted 2 are from cutscenes which look better than the actual game

[saint_john_paul_ii]

but the FF trailer wasnt from sony it was from square. LMAO.

" all the images i see people show of uncharted 2 are from cutscenes which look better than the actual game"

sorry bro, play the beta, its exactly like the trailers show. and its not just the cutscenes, its the gameplay as well.

people that own a PS3 knows what to expect from a 1st Party PS3 game.

[jetlian]

and i have played the games in question. but i can say for a fact the images of uncharted 2 are cutscenes and they are above the actual game.

also it doesn't matter if it was sq or sony the point I made was the trailers have no bering on the actual game. 360 has nothing to do with it looking less

[Grimm10]

Boycott talk is funny.

Outside of N4G no one cares because people have lives and are normal.

Ends of the day it's a game.

An amazing looking game.

A game which will have an awesome story.

A game which will have awesome characters.

A game which will have awesome music.

A game which you can sink a lot of hours in to.

FF titles sell 5 MILLION + ATLEAST worldwide. S-E really couldn't give a **** about 20-30 butt-hurt fanboys on N4G. S-E reps are most likely reading this and just laughing.

You go on NeoGAF (biggest gaming forum) and this article hasn't even been posted...because guess what.... they don't care. You go on PSU (biggest independent PS3 forum) and it was posted got a few lulz replies and then trashed. You go on a huge 360 forums and it hasn't even been posted.

End of the day it's N4G so the impact it has outside of this place is always at a minimum.

(most of you will buy it anyway at release LOL)

Cant wait! :D

[Karibu]

You know that people don't care about graphics, good story, great characters, awesome music. Just look what Wii has done. Would you whine if game companies drop all those gorgeus things people game for? Oooops, we(gamers) are already a minority. If you want your games to have the features you like, you make noise to get them. Drop dual audio for no good reason today, drop HD-graphics tomorrow and by next week you'll wonder where the textures went. Would you pley games like that? Most people would, so why to care?

[cpt_kaos]

Thank Christ Uncharted2 and KZ2 are always going to be exclusive to ps3 so need to drop the standard to make it even ground with the dud360.

well done SE for screwing your loyal fans of many years.

Hope for your sake the consumer doesn't give you the one finger salute.

[Grimm10]

^^ Drop dual audio?

No Square-Soft/Enix game has ever included dual audio so they have no reason to start now.

Not just Square games either games from Level 5, Namco-Bandai, Tri-Ace, Atlus and so on never include it.

People are also jumping the gun since one of the last things Kitase says in the GT interview is "We'll consider it" and since there will be countless more times where he will get questioned by Western media and fan then theres a good chance in the end the pressure will work and we will get it.

But as it stands many RPGs just dont include it.

[Karibu]

There were "space limitations" in some games when they couldn't include dual audio. But many games do, Odin Sphere does. Tekken does. Valkyria Chronicles from Sega does. There's no reason to leave dual audio out when there is space on in disc. Other than being a complete a-hole.

[Vivi]

"There's no reason to leave dual audio out when there is space on in disc."

Yes there is. It takes time and money to put it on the disc and then test it.

Considering the English version of FFXIII is re-syncing mouth movements to fit with the audio it makes the process a lot harder then it should be.

Plus in FFXIII EVERY single NPC has been confirmed to be voiced so it's not just cutscenes they have to worry about.

End of the day it takes more time and it's not cost effective.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

"Yes there is. It takes time and money to put it on the disc and then test it."

Really?

cause according to Naughty Dog with Uncharted , its actually the opposite that you stated.

[RAVEN81]

they where done ffxiii for the ps3 and now we have to wait .

[JustinSaneV2]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that some people are whining about how the game is ruined they can't listen to the the game in a language they can't understand?